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"May's team declined to comment "
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/08/andrea-leadsom-suggests-she-would-make-better-pm-as-she-has-children0 -
And no doubt such experiences mould you into a better person. Theresa May, through no fault of her own, had no such opportunity and so lacks such acquired attributes. ProjectReality.grabcocque said:
Well, he *did* leave one in a pub.Pauly said:
I've come to the conclusion that having kids is a perk. David Cameron had kids and he certainly passed the bar - and he shares the similar lack of experience that Andrea does. (Admittedly his SPAD work is less impressive than her business experience in my opinion)chestnut said:
Yes it's terribly sad that Theresa can't have kids but they are shares in the future and they do give you another dimension of emotion that one struggles to experience otherwise.0 -
So would I. My preference is May.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Is that the best you can do - the leavers on here will confirm that since the result I have become totally committed to Brexit and will do everything to see it happen. It just I want someone who will make it happen, not an inexperienced and incompetent leaderchestnut said:
Didn't you keep saying Remain would win?Big_G_NorthWales said:
No faux outrage - she's a gonerchestnut said:The Sea of Faux Outrage.
Along with TSE, Alistair M, Richard N.....
This desire to slaughter Leadsom could prove as stupidly counter-productive as calling all leave voters Little Englanders, xenophobes etc.0 -
The editorial is utterly devastating. Surprised they didn't save it for the Sunday Times.0
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So am I and I find her comments disgusting, my dad as well and he was also in the leave camp.Charles said:
I'm a leaver (according to @JohnO I even rank as an arch-Brexiteer, which I shall take as a compliment).chestnut said:
Didn't you keep saying Remain would win?Big_G_NorthWales said:
No faux outrage - she's a gonerchestnut said:The Sea of Faux Outrage.
Along with TSE, Alistair M, Richard N.....
Leadsom's comments were vile, ill-judged and unworthy of someone who aspires to lead our great nation.0 -
I'm not sure that they are significantly different to Cameron constantly saying 'as a dad I value the NHS'.Charles said:
I'm a leaver (according to @JohnO I even rank as an arch-Brexiteer, which I shall take as a compliment).chestnut said:
Didn't you keep saying Remain would win?Big_G_NorthWales said:
No faux outrage - she's a gonerchestnut said:The Sea of Faux Outrage.
Along with TSE, Alistair M, Richard N.....
Leadsom's comments were vile, ill-judged and unworthy of someone who aspires to lead our great nation.
Anti-Andrea's would be better off going on her lack of experience in my personal opinion.0 -
I think Leadsom should apologise personally to Theresa May after those comments. And Leadsom should also be considering her position as a candidate in this Leadership contest as she has just proved she lacks the Leadership qualities required to bring the Parliamentary party together, never mind the wider membership.Moses_ said:
Thanks MaxMaxPB said:http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/being-a-mother-gives-me-edge-on-may-leadsom-0t7bbm29x
The full article is up. I'll quote some of it for those who aren't subscribers.
Andrea Leadsom has said that being a mother makes her a better choice for prime minister than Theresa May because it means that she has “a very real stake” in the future of the country.
In comments showing how personal she is prepared to make the Tory leadership contest, Mrs Leadsom said in an interview with The Times that the home secretary must be “really sad” not to have children.
The energy minister and underdog in the fight for No 10 declared that Mrs May “possibly has nieces, nephews, lots of people. But I have children who are going to have children who will directly be a part of what happens next.”
Mrs May, 59, and her husband, Philip, were unable to have children and she hinted of their sadness in a recent interview. Mrs Leadsom, 53, who has two sons and a daughter with her husband, Ben, said that being a mother meant that the future of Britain was more important to her. “Genuinely I feel that being a mum means you have a very real stake in the future of our country, a tangible stake.”
Even with the " I don’t want this to be ‘Andrea has children, Theresa hasn’t’, because I think that would be really horrible." I don't think she is going to avoid a shitstorm over this. It's probably curtains.0 -
Any chance of you retracting/apologising for your earlier comment.chestnut said:
I'm not sure that they are significantly different to Cameron constantly saying 'as a dad I value the NHS'.Charles said:
I'm a leaver (according to @JohnO I even rank as an arch-Brexiteer, which I shall take as a compliment).chestnut said:
Didn't you keep saying Remain would win?Big_G_NorthWales said:
No faux outrage - she's a gonerchestnut said:The Sea of Faux Outrage.
Along with TSE, Alistair M, Richard N.....
Leadsom's comments were vile, ill-judged and unworthy of someone who aspires to lead our great nation.
Anti-Andrea's would be better off going on her lack of experience in my personal opinion.
You seem to have ignored my reply to your nonsense?0 -
Not really - she has crossed a line and in my opinion the best outcome for everyone would be for the party managers to agree a compromise allowing Leadsom to withdraw and at least get a cabinet position.chestnut said:
So would I. My preference is May.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Is that the best you can do - the leavers on here will confirm that since the result I have become totally committed to Brexit and will do everything to see it happen. It just I want someone who will make it happen, not an inexperienced and incompetent leaderchestnut said:
Didn't you keep saying Remain would win?Big_G_NorthWales said:
No faux outrage - she's a gonerchestnut said:The Sea of Faux Outrage.
Along with TSE, Alistair M, Richard N.....
This desire to slaughter Leadsom could prove as stupidly counter-productive as calling all leave voters Little Englanders, xenophobes etc.
This would be the answer for the Country and Theresa May could have a cabinet in place by this time next week0 -
Victory for Andrea Leadsom in the Tory leadership election would make an early general election inevitable because she has so little support from her parliamentary colleagues, MPs have warned.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/leadsom-victory-would-trigger-general-election-5dvcb20mb0 -
I haven't read it, what was it?TheScreamingEagles said:
Any chance of you retracting/apologising for your earlier comment.chestnut said:
I'm not sure that they are significantly different to Cameron constantly saying 'as a dad I value the NHS'.Charles said:
I'm a leaver (according to @JohnO I even rank as an arch-Brexiteer, which I shall take as a compliment).chestnut said:
Didn't you keep saying Remain would win?Big_G_NorthWales said:
No faux outrage - she's a gonerchestnut said:The Sea of Faux Outrage.
Along with TSE, Alistair M, Richard N.....
Leadsom's comments were vile, ill-judged and unworthy of someone who aspires to lead our great nation.
Anti-Andrea's would be better off going on her lack of experience in my personal opinion.
You seem to have ignored my reply to your nonsense?0 -
I'm a May supporter and appalled by these comments but I do wonder if they'll have anything like the effect most people on here seem to think.
Simply because in my experience the sort of people who are Tory members (my Mum is, supporting May) - especially elderly people - don't read a huge amount into comments like this.
They aren't that bothered about the exact words people use and they don't infer things from words. Yes, they might well think these words are a bit strange and wonder why on earth she would say them - but they wouldn't then take the next mental step required to change their view of her.0 -
My post at 12.14amchestnut said:
I haven't read it, what was it?TheScreamingEagles said:
Any chance of you retracting/apologising for your earlier comment.chestnut said:
I'm not sure that they are significantly different to Cameron constantly saying 'as a dad I value the NHS'.Charles said:
I'm a leaver (according to @JohnO I even rank as an arch-Brexiteer, which I shall take as a compliment).chestnut said:
Didn't you keep saying Remain would win?Big_G_NorthWales said:
No faux outrage - she's a gonerchestnut said:The Sea of Faux Outrage.
Along with TSE, Alistair M, Richard N.....
Leadsom's comments were vile, ill-judged and unworthy of someone who aspires to lead our great nation.
Anti-Andrea's would be better off going on her lack of experience in my personal opinion.
You seem to have ignored my reply to your nonsense?0 -
Link?john_zims said:
First the CV which her boss said was fine0 -
Is that one where you refer to Leave getting a "shellacking?"TheScreamingEagles said:
My post at 12.14amchestnut said:
I haven't read it, what was it?TheScreamingEagles said:
Any chance of you retracting/apologising for your earlier comment.chestnut said:
I'm not sure that they are significantly different to Cameron constantly saying 'as a dad I value the NHS'.Charles said:
I'm a leaver (according to @JohnO I even rank as an arch-Brexiteer, which I shall take as a compliment).chestnut said:
Didn't you keep saying Remain would win?Big_G_NorthWales said:
No faux outrage - she's a gonerchestnut said:The Sea of Faux Outrage.
Along with TSE, Alistair M, Richard N.....
Leadsom's comments were vile, ill-judged and unworthy of someone who aspires to lead our great nation.
Anti-Andrea's would be better off going on her lack of experience in my personal opinion.
You seem to have ignored my reply to your nonsense?
Where Richard refers to a 70/30 Remain win?
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It's the direct comparison (implicit or not) to someone she knows regrets her inability to have children that makes them vile.chestnut said:
I'm not sure that they are significantly different to Cameron constantly saying 'as a dad I value the NHS'.Charles said:
I'm a leaver (according to @JohnO I even rank as an arch-Brexiteer, which I shall take as a compliment).chestnut said:
Didn't you keep saying Remain would win?Big_G_NorthWales said:
No faux outrage - she's a gonerchestnut said:The Sea of Faux Outrage.
Along with TSE, Alistair M, Richard N.....
Leadsom's comments were vile, ill-judged and unworthy of someone who aspires to lead our great nation.
Anti-Andrea's would be better off going on her lack of experience in my personal opinion.
The sheer viciousness of a personal attack on someone who - if Leadsom wins - will be a senior colleague makes them ill-judged
The personal nature makes them unworthy.
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She has far more support from UKIP than Tory MPs, if she won Kippers would do a Momentum style takeover of local Tory associations and many of those MPs could find themselves facing the risk of deselectionCarlottaVance said:Victory for Andrea Leadsom in the Tory leadership election would make an early general election inevitable because she has so little support from her parliamentary colleagues, MPs have warned.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/leadsom-victory-would-trigger-general-election-5dvcb20mb0 -
Nope, you're misquoting people again. Simply won't do.chestnut said:
Is that one where you refer to Leave getting a "shellacking?"TheScreamingEagles said:
My post at 12.14amchestnut said:
I haven't read it, what was it?TheScreamingEagles said:
Any chance of you retracting/apologising for your earlier comment.chestnut said:
I'm not sure that they are significantly different to Cameron constantly saying 'as a dad I value the NHS'.Charles said:
I'm a leaver (according to @JohnO I even rank as an arch-Brexiteer, which I shall take as a compliment).chestnut said:
Didn't you keep saying Remain would win?Big_G_NorthWales said:
No faux outrage - she's a gonerchestnut said:The Sea of Faux Outrage.
Along with TSE, Alistair M, Richard N.....
Leadsom's comments were vile, ill-judged and unworthy of someone who aspires to lead our great nation.
Anti-Andrea's would be better off going on her lack of experience in my personal opinion.
You seem to have ignored my reply to your nonsense?
Where Richard refers to a 70/30 Remain win?0 -
*Cough*TheScreamingEagles said:
Are you man enough to apologise/retract that? If not, well we know you're impervious to facts.
Really you talk nonsense.
So how do you explain these threads?
Leave's major advantage in the last three weeks of the campaign.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/06/02/leaves-major-advantage-in-the-last-three-weeks-of-the-campaign-the-tory-press-is-on-their-side/
Perhaps Leave really are going to win this referendum. What if the phone pollsters are wrong
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/05/22/perhaps-leave-really-are-going-to-win-this-referendum/
Greater love hath no man than this, that he lay down his friends for his life. These don’t appear to be the actions of a PM confident of winning the referendum
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/05/01/greater-love-hath-no-man-than-this-that-he-lay-down-his-friends-for-his-life/
Remain’s long term problems
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/04/24/remains-long-term-problems/
Apathy and the older voters might be the key for Out winning the referendum
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/05/31/apathy-and-the-older-voters-might-be-the-key-for-out-winning-the-referendum/
I could link some more that I had written in the same vein, but I don't want to embarrass you any further.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/04/25/cameron-can-do-to-the-eurosceptic-right-in-the-euref-what-he-did-to-milibands-lab-and-cleggs-lib-dems/
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/04/25/why-cameron-and-his-team-are-targeting-parents-with-children/
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/05/01/its-the-economy-stupid/
"If Leave wants to win they need to show that Brexit is the better option for the economy and the financial wellbeing of voters."
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/05/02/if-zac-loses-london-and-the-brexiters-fail-it-will-say-a-lot-about-the-declining-influence-of-the-press/
"It’s known that REMAIN is following the successful Tory general election campaign and making big use of social media to reach selected audiences with bespoke messages."
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/05/08/zac-goldsmith-led-by-up-to-30-with-the-over-65s-and-still-lost/
A pointer to the EU Referendum?
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/05/09/a-brexit-indicator-ukips-national-equivalent-vote-share-down-by-nearly-half-in-3-years/
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/05/11/almost-all-the-the-online-polls-when-tested-against-real-results-last-thursday-overstated-ukip/
This looks like a good pointer to referendum polling
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/05/18/the-polling-that-shows-leaves-emphasis-on-sovereignty-simply-isnt-resonating/0 -
Old news - tonight's is the turning point - just cannot see her survivingCarlottaVance said:
Link?john_zims said:
First the CV which her boss said was fine0 -
Fortunately we have steps against entryism.HYUFD said:
She has far more support from UKIP than Tory MPs, if she won KIPPERs would do a Momentum style takeover of local Tory associations and many of those MPs could find themselves facing the risk of deselectionCarlottaVance said:Victory for Andrea Leadsom in the Tory leadership election would make an early general election inevitable because she has so little support from her parliamentary colleagues, MPs have warned.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/leadsom-victory-would-trigger-general-election-5dvcb20mb0 -
In this case there should be a clear fair dealing defence from the public interest in reporting current events that can't be obtained elsewhere. Of course no-one wants to test that in court ...TheScreamingEagles said:@MaxPB (and everyone else)
Can you not copy entire chunks from The Times.
They've sent Mike some very threatening letters in the past when one poster on here kept on doing exactly that on PB0 -
Yes they are - but each attack must still be considered on its merits, and just because people may have an agenda, doesn't mean they will automatically be false or wrong when pursuing that agenda. Sometimes people can be right for the wrong reasons - there will be people inclined to dislike Leadsom getting upset over this, but it does not follow that because of their dislike they must be phony in being upset, or even incorrect.chestnut said:
Even the worst in politics and the commentariat can be right about things - Cyclefree made a point of this the other day, about Corbyn and Iraq. His opposition to it will be seen by many to be right, but it could be argued that his automatic decision on it, the instinctual decision, was made for the wrong reasons. On this far more trivial matter, some anti-leadsomites will have been hoping for something like this to pop up and will want to maximise the damage from it. But at its core they could still be right to highlight it.
Or more concisely, and assuming for the moment this is as big a deal as some think (it isn't), many want Leadsom to fail, and will loudly point out when they think she has. But they are waiting on her to provide something that allows them to do so, and that they wanted it doesn't mean it cannot be genuine outrage when it happens.
They will try to hang her, but only on rope she supplies herself. If she doesn't provide it to them, she won't be hanged.
Hysterical condemnation, when unjustified, can be tiresome. But hysterically portraying oneself as victim, usually of the 'establishment', is at least as tiresome.
Good night
Even more concisely, people are gunning for Corbyn too - it doesn't mean it might not be right to gun for him too.0 -
It's a shame your steps against exitism were so useless.TheScreamingEagles said:
Fortunately we have steps against entryism.HYUFD said:
She has far more support from UKIP than Tory MPs, if she won KIPPERs would do a Momentum style takeover of local Tory associations and many of those MPs could find themselves facing the risk of deselectionCarlottaVance said:Victory for Andrea Leadsom in the Tory leadership election would make an early general election inevitable because she has so little support from her parliamentary colleagues, MPs have warned.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/leadsom-victory-would-trigger-general-election-5dvcb20mb0 -
If only more KIPPERS had my foresight and optimistically defected in early February... oh well a party schism is cleaner than taking it hostage.TheScreamingEagles said:
Fortunately we have steps against entryism.HYUFD said:
She has far more support from UKIP than Tory MPs, if she won KIPPERs would do a Momentum style takeover of local Tory associations and many of those MPs could find themselves facing the risk of deselectionCarlottaVance said:Victory for Andrea Leadsom in the Tory leadership election would make an early general election inevitable because she has so little support from her parliamentary colleagues, MPs have warned.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/leadsom-victory-would-trigger-general-election-5dvcb20mb0 -
I'm wondering that. I think her comments were repulsive but I wonder if the average Tory member will bat an eyelid. Is there value in Leadsom at 4.8/5?MikeL said:I'm a May supporter and appalled by these comments but I do wonder if they'll have anything like the effect most people on here seem to think.
Simply because in my experience the sort of people who are Tory members (my Mum is, supporting May) - especially elderly people - don't read a huge amount into comments like this.
They aren't that bothered about the exact words people use and they don't infer things from words. Yes, they might well think these words are a bit strange and wonder why on earth she would say them - but they wouldn't then take the next mental step required to change their view of her.0 -
Has something been put in the water round here?
It's getting jolly grumpy0 -
So two of my threads as opposed the many others I linked earlier.Pulpstar said:
*Cough*TheScreamingEagles said:
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/04/25/cameron-can-do-to-the-eurosceptic-right-in-the-euref-what-he-did-to-milibands-lab-and-cleggs-lib-dems/
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/04/25/why-cameron-and-his-team-are-targeting-parents-with-children/
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/05/01/its-the-economy-stupid/
"If Leave wants to win they need to show that Brexit is the better option for the economy and the financial wellbeing of voters."
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/05/02/if-zac-loses-london-and-the-brexiters-fail-it-will-say-a-lot-about-the-declining-influence-of-the-press/
"It’s known that REMAIN is following the successful Tory general election campaign and making big use of social media to reach selected audiences with bespoke messages."
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/05/08/zac-goldsmith-led-by-up-to-30-with-the-over-65s-and-still-lost/
A pointer to the EU Referendum?
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/05/09/a-brexit-indicator-ukips-national-equivalent-vote-share-down-by-nearly-half-in-3-years/
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/05/11/almost-all-the-the-online-polls-when-tested-against-real-results-last-thursday-overstated-ukip/
This looks like a good pointer to referendum polling
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/05/18/the-polling-that-shows-leaves-emphasis-on-sovereignty-simply-isnt-resonating/0 -
We both know that isn't true.TheScreamingEagles said:Nope, you're misquoting people again. Simply won't do.
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Tell me about it.williamglenn said:
It's a shame your steps against exitism were so useless.TheScreamingEagles said:
Fortunately we have steps against entryism.HYUFD said:
She has far more support from UKIP than Tory MPs, if she won KIPPERs would do a Momentum style takeover of local Tory associations and many of those MPs could find themselves facing the risk of deselectionCarlottaVance said:Victory for Andrea Leadsom in the Tory leadership election would make an early general election inevitable because she has so little support from her parliamentary colleagues, MPs have warned.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/leadsom-victory-would-trigger-general-election-5dvcb20mb
On the flip side, my friend has just been appointed Head of Brexit for a major firm.0 -
I think this is the most likely outcome.MikeL said:I'm a May supporter and appalled by these comments but I do wonder if they'll have anything like the effect most people on here seem to think.
Simply because in my experience the sort of people who are Tory members (my Mum is, supporting May) - especially elderly people - don't read a huge amount into comments like this.
They aren't that bothered about the exact words people use and they don't infer things from words. Yes, they might well think these words are a bit strange and wonder why on earth she would say them - but they wouldn't then take the next mental step required to change their view of her.0 -
My links, betting accounts, and bank balancechestnut said:
We both know that isn't true.TheScreamingEagles said:Nope, you're misquoting people again. Simply won't do.
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Charles said:
I wonder whether May would agree to serve in a Leadsom cabinet and may choose to confine her support to the back benches?chestnut said:
The sheer viciousness of a personal attack on someone who - if Leadsom wins - will be a senior colleague makes them ill-judgedCharles said:
I'm a leaver (according to @JohnO I even rank as an arch-Brexiteer, which I shall take as a compliment).chestnut said:
Didn't you keep saying Remain would win?Big_G_NorthWales said:
No faux outrage - she's a gonerchestnut said:The Sea of Faux Outrage.
Along with TSE, Alistair M, Richard N.....
Leadsom's comments were vile, ill-judged and unworthy of someone who aspires to lead our great nation.
The personal nature makes them unworthy.0 -
As opposed to your comments on here?TheScreamingEagles said:My betting accounts and bank balance
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If Leadsom does come a cropper it's won't be because of the comments per se, it'll be her reaction to them, especially if The Times have audio0
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Don't be stupidchestnut said:
As opposed to your comments on here?TheScreamingEagles said:My betting accounts and bank balance
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I'm personally fine with the comments - but your analysis here is spot on. Don't double down on media disgust unless you've got a credible defense.TheScreamingEagles said:If Leadsom does come a cropper it's won't be because of the comments per se, it'll be her reaction to them, especially if The Times have audio
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Just popcorn time for some Tory blue on bluish action.PlatoSaid said:Has something been put in the water round here?
It's getting jolly grumpy
Nasty pieces of work both. I don't know how anyone can vote for people like this.0 -
CarlottaVance said:
Previously I would have said "no" - party unity and all that. Now she has the perfect excuse with which people will sympathiseCharles said:
I wonder whether May would agree to serve in a Leadsom cabinet and may choose to confine her support to the back benches?chestnut said:
The sheer viciousness of a personal attack on someone who - if Leadsom wins - will be a senior colleague makes them ill-judgedCharles said:
I'm a leaver (according to @JohnO I even rank as an arch-Brexiteer, which I shall take as a compliment).chestnut said:
Didn't you keep saying Remain would win?Big_G_NorthWales said:
No faux outrage - she's a gonerchestnut said:The Sea of Faux Outrage.
Along with TSE, Alistair M, Richard N.....
Leadsom's comments were vile, ill-judged and unworthy of someone who aspires to lead our great nation.
The personal nature makes them unworthy.0 -
CarlottaVance said:
Previously I would have said "no" - party unity and all that. Now she has the perfect excuse with which people will sympathiseCharles said:
I wonder whether May would agree to serve in a Leadsom cabinet and may choose to confine her support to the back benches?chestnut said:
The sheer viciousness of a personal attack on someone who - if Leadsom wins - will be a senior colleague makes them ill-judgedCharles said:
I'm a leaver (according to @JohnO I even rank as an arch-Brexiteer, which I shall take as a compliment).chestnut said:
Didn't you keep saying Remain would win?Big_G_NorthWales said:
No faux outrage - she's a gonerchestnut said:The Sea of Faux Outrage.
Along with TSE, Alistair M, Richard N.....
Leadsom's comments were vile, ill-judged and unworthy of someone who aspires to lead our great nation.
The personal nature makes them unworthy.0 -
I'm sure we can do better than #wombgate TBH.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24133050
Theresa May seems to have deluded herself that veil wearing is a choice. She really is the best candidate for UKIP without a doubt.0 -
Rose West was a mother you know, and on that bombshell, good night.grabcocque said:
I'm sure we can do better than #wombgate TBH.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
CarlottaVance said:
Victory for Andrea Leadsom in the Tory leadership election would make an early general election inevitable because she has so little support from her parliamentary colleagues, MPs have warned.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/leadsom-victory-would-trigger-general-election-5dvcb20mb
Even Theresa May would have trouble passing anything, especially if this campaign gets dirty. She may have to try and build bridges with Labour, which may be more possible with Osborne out of the picture.0 -
Sad to log on tonight and see this. Politics has gone mad. No further words required.MaxPB said:
So am I and I find her comments disgusting, my dad as well and he was also in the leave camp.Charles said:
I'm a leaver (according to @JohnO I even rank as an arch-Brexiteer, which I shall take as a compliment).chestnut said:
Didn't you keep saying Remain would win?Big_G_NorthWales said:
No faux outrage - she's a gonerchestnut said:The Sea of Faux Outrage.
Along with TSE, Alistair M, Richard N.....
Leadsom's comments were vile, ill-judged and unworthy of someone who aspires to lead our great nation.0 -
Charles said:CarlottaVance said:
Being as how she hasn't got a stake in the future, what with being barren...Charles said:
Previously I would have said "no" - party unity and all that. Now she has the perfect excuse with which people will sympathisechestnut said:
I wonder whether May would agree to serve in a Leadsom cabinet and may choose to confine her support to the back benches?Charles said:
The sheer viciousness of a personal attack on someone who - if Leadsom wins - will be a senior colleague makes them ill-judgedchestnut said:
I'm a leaver (according to @JohnO I even rank as an arch-Brexiteer, which I shall take as a compliment).Big_G_NorthWales said:
No faux outrage - she's a gonerchestnut said:The Sea of Faux Outrage.
Didn't you keep saying Remain would win?
Along with TSE, Alistair M, Richard N.....
Leadsom's comments were vile, ill-judged and unworthy of someone who aspires to lead our great nation.
The personal nature makes them unworthy.0 -
Well, she may not really have run Barclays banking business in the UK, invented the Internet or pioneered heart transplant surgery, but Andrea Leadsom can claim one remarkable achievement.
She makes Margaret Thatcher look like an amalgam of Mother Teresa and Albert Einstein.0 -
Tory leadership contender Andrea Leadsom has sparked outrage after claiming she has the edge over rival Theresa May - because she is a mother.
Theresa May’s supporters last night reacted with indignation, condemning remarks as ‘disgusting’.
They come just come days after the Home Secretary revealed her sadness at remaining childless, and had called for a clean contest which would remain with the ‘acceptable’ limits of political debate.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3681695/Fury-Tory-hopeful-Andrea-Leadsom-says-mother-gives-edge-Theresa-just-days-Home-Secretary-speaks-sadness-never-having-children.html0 -
Con backbenchers certainly won't want a GE with Leadsom as leader - given it might well cost them their seats.CarlottaVance said:Victory for Andrea Leadsom in the Tory leadership election would make an early general election inevitable because she has so little support from her parliamentary colleagues, MPs have warned.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/leadsom-victory-would-trigger-general-election-5dvcb20mb
I would have thought they would go for a no-confidence motion in her as leader (only requires 50 MPs) if they think a GE looks imminent.0 -
There is nothing to stop UKIP voters joining the Tories in large numbers if Leadsom winsTheScreamingEagles said:
Fortunately we have steps against entryism.HYUFD said:
She has far more support from UKIP than Tory MPs, if she won KIPPERs would do a Momentum style takeover of local Tory associations and many of those MPs could find themselves facing the risk of deselectionCarlottaVance said:Victory for Andrea Leadsom in the Tory leadership election would make an early general election inevitable because she has so little support from her parliamentary colleagues, MPs have warned.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/leadsom-victory-would-trigger-general-election-5dvcb20mb0 -
Same with May,over one hundred brexit MP's sat right behind her ,watching and listening to what sort of deal she goes for with the EU.CarlottaVance said:Victory for Andrea Leadsom in the Tory leadership election would make an early general election inevitable because she has so little support from her parliamentary colleagues, MPs have warned.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/leadsom-victory-would-trigger-general-election-5dvcb20mb
She choose's the wrong option,early GE ?0 -
Given she hasn't got a stake in the future, what with being barren...Charles said:
Previously I would have said "no" - party unity and all that. Now she has the perfect excuse with which people will sympathise0 -
Is it the Labour party? I heard they're hiring right now.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tell me about it.williamglenn said:
It's a shame your steps against exitism were so useless.TheScreamingEagles said:
Fortunately we have steps against entryism.HYUFD said:
She has far more support from UKIP than Tory MPs, if she won KIPPERs would do a Momentum style takeover of local Tory associations and many of those MPs could find themselves facing the risk of deselectionCarlottaVance said:Victory for Andrea Leadsom in the Tory leadership election would make an early general election inevitable because she has so little support from her parliamentary colleagues, MPs have warned.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/leadsom-victory-would-trigger-general-election-5dvcb20mb
On the flip side, my friend has just been appointed Head of Brexit for a major firm.0 -
I'd say she was average attractiveness, certainly not a bombshell.TheScreamingEagles said:
Rose West was a mother you know, and on that bombshell, good night.grabcocque said:
I'm sure we can do better than #wombgate TBH.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
TSE was talking about himselfcorporeal said:
I'd say she was average attractiveness, certainly not a bombshell.TheScreamingEagles said:
Rose West was a mother you know, and on that bombshell, good night.grabcocque said:
I'm sure we can do better than #wombgate TBH.TheScreamingEagles said:
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Amanda Knoxcorporeal said:
I'd say she was average attractiveness, certainly not a bombshell.TheScreamingEagles said:
Rose West was a mother you know, and on that bombshell, good night.grabcocque said:
I'm sure we can do better than #wombgate TBH.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
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Fair summary from Oakeshott: Right, enough #babygate for tonight. In sum: serious error of judgement by Leadsom.Exposes inexperience/naivety.Which is why Mail backs May0
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In the Times editorial they state Gove should have been the alternate choice to May. Well if Gove hadn't made a far more serious misjudgement ie sticking the knife into Boris, Leadsom wouldn't even be on the ballot paper. I detect the hand of Philip Collins behind all this, no doubt he wrote or co wrote the editorial. Previously he had briefed heavily against Boris probably hoping his friend Gove would strike out on his own. Collins it may be noted was the man who was oh so laid back about the EU referendum until Remain unexpectedly lost. Then he spent the next few days clearly unable to accept the result, trying to make up for lost ground by writing a constant stream of bitter tweets and articles.
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Times (£££) Editorial:
Implausible Leadsom
The Brexiteers’ candidate for prime minister is not ready for prime time now, and from the available evidence may never be
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/implausible-leadsom-rl7kxjjbh0 -
I guess one thing to bear in mind is that even if 90%+ of Con members aren't influenced at all by this it could still be important because if Leadsom is going to win it will probably be by a fairly narrow margin.
eg If Leadsom was going to win 52-48 then if this "incident" is enough to alienate just 5% of her supporters then the above result would turn into her losing by 49.4-50.6.0 -
I normally wouldn't take any notice of stuff like this as the % of the total electorate who read Times (or other broadsheet) editorials must be absolutely miniscule.CarlottaVance said:Times (£££) Editorial:
Implausible Leadsom
The Brexiteers’ candidate for prime minister is not ready for prime time now, and from the available evidence may never be
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/implausible-leadsom-rl7kxjjbh
But I guess a far higher % of Con members may read this stuff - would be interesting to see some numbers.0 -
That Times front page & twitter reaction was picked up very quickly by Skynews this evening.MikeL said:I guess one thing to bear in mind is that even if 90%+ of Con members aren't influenced at all by this it could still be important because if Leadsom is going to win it will probably be by a fairly narrow margin.
eg If Leadsom was going to win 52-48 then if this "incident" is enough to alienate just 5% of her supporters then the above result would turn into her losing by 49.4-50.6.0 -
For all Boris' many failings, he has held senior leadership positions in politics and would have been a good opponent up against May - a clear choice of two different styles and temperaments.Norm said:In the Times editorial they state Gove should have been the alternate choice to May. Well if Gove hadn't made a far more serious misjudgement ie sticking the knife into Boris, Leadsom wouldn't even be on the ballot paper. I detect the hand of Philip Collins behind all this, no doubt he wrote or co wrote the editorial. Previously he had briefed heavily against Boris probably hoping his friend Gove would strike out on his own. Collins it may be noted was the man who was oh so laid back about the EU referendum until Remain unexpectedly lost. Then he spent the next few days clearly unable to accept the result, trying to make up for lost ground by writing a constant stream of bitter tweets and articles.
Instead, because Leadsom had a hissy fit because Boris would't guarantee her a senior cabinet position and decided to run, Gove decided to run too and had to take Boris out as he stood. Hence no Boris (still not entirely clear why he didn't run, I'm sure he would have made it to the final two) and we have May vs an incompetent.0 -
fitalass - how do you see Scottish Con members voting between May and Leadsom?fitalass said:
That Times front page & twitter reaction was picked up very quickly by Skynews this evening.MikeL said:I guess one thing to bear in mind is that even if 90%+ of Con members aren't influenced at all by this it could still be important because if Leadsom is going to win it will probably be by a fairly narrow margin.
eg If Leadsom was going to win 52-48 then if this "incident" is enough to alienate just 5% of her supporters then the above result would turn into her losing by 49.4-50.6.
Of course Scotland was barely represented in the MPs stage of the voting with only one MP. But I heard somewhere that 10% of Con members are located in Scotland - if that's correct they could well be significant.
I know Ruth Davidson has endorsed May but how do you see Scottish members voting?
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Louise Mensch is on the case. The screenshot of the transcript was second hand as it was from an iPhone currently in Turkey. She's demanding the audio.
A useful attack dog in Leadsom's corner.
https://twitter.com/louisemensch/status/7515829858000609280 -
If you want to be seen as a right-wing loon.....definitely....williamglenn said:Louise Mensch is on the case.
A useful attack dog in Leadsom's corner.
For something more centrist, not necessarily so useful......0 -
Maybe, but she's pretty forensic and relentless when she has a bee in her bonnet about something.CarlottaVance said:
If you want to be seen as a right-wing loon.....definitely....williamglenn said:Louise Mensch is on the case.
A useful attack dog in Leadsom's corner.
For something more centrist, not necessarily so useful......
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And frequently ends up looking very foolish, retreating from the field utterly squished.....williamglenn said:
Maybe, but she's pretty forensic and relentless when she has a bee in her bonnet about something.CarlottaVance said:
If you want to be seen as a right-wing loon.....definitely....williamglenn said:Louise Mensch is on the case.
A useful attack dog in Leadsom's corner.
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Not that some of the LEAVErs will believe it:
Government dashes hopes of second EU referendum in e-petition response
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/09/government-dashes-hopes-of-second-eu-referendum-in-e-petition-response0 -
Wonder how many of those 4 million didn't vote the first time? *innocent face*CarlottaVance said:Not that some of the LEAVErs will believe it:
Government dashes hopes of second EU referendum in e-petition response
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/09/government-dashes-hopes-of-second-eu-referendum-in-e-petition-response0 -
Why would the times make up a story that had been taped and even possibly video-recorded?williamglenn said:0 -
Mrs May today challenges Mrs Leadsom to sign a five-point “pledge card” as she calls for a “clean campaign”. It includes a pledge not to “co-operate in any way with other political parties”, incluing their donors or members.
Both Nigel Farage, the Ukip leader, and Arron Banks, the party’s donor, have said they support Mrs Leadsom as next Conservative leader.
Last week she refused to rule out Mr Farage forming part of her Brexit negotiating team.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/08/theresa-may-britain-faces-tough-times-but-can-enjoy-a-better-bri/0 -
Because the papers do that all the time......RobD said:
Why would the times make up a story that had been taped and even possibly video-recorded?williamglenn said:0 -
I don't doubt Leadsom said the things the Times says she did. And a lot of other stuff as well.RobD said:
Why would the times make up a story that had been taped and even possibly video-recorded?williamglenn said:
I'm sure she regrets the presentation put upon them (and would never say them directly - just leave people to draw the inference) - but if you don't want your motherhood contrasted with your opponent's infertility, stop banging on about it - say something neutral.
Amateur.
And why is Mensch banging on about the Times releasing their recording - why doesn't Leadsom release hers?
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Wonder how many of them didn't exist in the first place? *innocent face*RobD said:
Wonder how many of those 4 million didn't vote the first time? *innocent face*CarlottaVance said:Not that some of the LEAVErs will believe it:
Government dashes hopes of second EU referendum in e-petition response
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/09/government-dashes-hopes-of-second-eu-referendum-in-e-petition-response0 -
What, make up a story which can easily be proven false?nunu said:
Because the papers do that all the time......RobD said:
Why would the times make up a story that had been taped and even possibly video-recorded?williamglenn said:0 -
Well, this thread *has* been a satisfying read.
Perhaps a verse may console:
Though pb tories at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Shariah May is losing.
A50 is coming.
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Yes.RobD said:
What, make up a story which can easily be proven false?nunu said:
Because the papers do that all the time......RobD said:
Why would the times make up a story that had been taped and even possibly video-recorded?williamglenn said:0 -
Why are American stocks rallying? The jobs numbers don't look that great considering the weak May numbers.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/08/the-sp-got-very-very-very-close-to-making-records-on-friday.html0 -
It's one of Stoke-on-trent's finest roads. Though personally I prefer the A53shiney2 said:Well, this thread *has* been a satisfying read.
Perhaps a verse may console:
Though pb tories at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Shariah May is losing.
A50 is coming.
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The Paranoia is strong with the Leadsomites......RobD said:
What, make up a story which can easily be proven false?nunu said:
Because the papers do that all the time......RobD said:
Why would the times make up a story that had been taped and even possibly video-recorded?williamglenn said:0 -
Either the Times have fabricated this quote, or they have Leadsom bang to rights:
Asked about how she compared herself with Mrs May, Mrs Leadsom reportedly said: “I see myself as one, an optimist, and two, a member of huge family and that’s important to me. My kids are a huge part of my life.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/08/andrea-leadsom-opens-up-motherhood-row-with-tory-leadership-riva/
Though frankly I suspect incompetence rather than malice - given the rest of the interview.
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did u see her fake smiles during the debates? awful.CarlottaVance said:Either the Times have fabricated this quote, or they have Leadsom bang to rights:
Asked about how she compared herself with Mrs May, Mrs Leadsom reportedly said: “I see myself as one, an optimist, and two, a member of huge family and that’s important to me. My kids are a huge part of my life.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/08/andrea-leadsom-opens-up-motherhood-row-with-tory-leadership-riva/
Though frankly I suspect incompetence rather than malice - given the rest of the interview.
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I suspect she's naturally a smiler - goes with her optimistic/panglossian outlook on life.....nunu said:
did u see her fake smiles during the debates? awful.CarlottaVance said:Either the Times have fabricated this quote, or they have Leadsom bang to rights:
Asked about how she compared herself with Mrs May, Mrs Leadsom reportedly said: “I see myself as one, an optimist, and two, a member of huge family and that’s important to me. My kids are a huge part of my life.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/08/andrea-leadsom-opens-up-motherhood-row-with-tory-leadership-riva/
Though frankly I suspect incompetence rather than malice - given the rest of the interview.
Has she done media training?0 -
NEW THREAD
Time to point at Labour & laugh......0
