That is truly awful stuff. It's a sign of the sort of vindictiveness or spite that would make her unsuitable as a PM. I hope she gets absolutely buried in this ballot.
Leadsom says May must be 'very sad' not to have children, I don't really see it as an explicit criticism, if a little stupid but more a focus on Leadsom's position as a mother.
Been read out on Sky news with MP's already expressing anger
That is truly awful stuff. It's a sign of the sort of vindictiveness or spite that would make her unsuitable as a PM. I hope she gets absolutely buried in this ballot.
That looks extrement selective quoting by the Times, where does Leadsom ever criticise May for not having children, she said
Theresa May possibly has nieces, nephews, lots of people but I have children
Nobody could be as stupid as to say what Leadsom has apparently said. Doesn't make sense.
She'll be explaining, clarifying, contextualizing (sic) for the next week....and a fat lot of good it will do her.
It's a very small electorate. I imagine she's visiting at least one conservative association a day. So she can explain in person.
The members who are curious about her will also be able to find long interviews online if they want to. She should probably update her website to help with that.
The Times used to be a proper newspaper.Just a nasty propaganda rag these days that will do anything to push its agenda. Wouldn't trust this story at all.
It is going to take her Leadsom down - she is the candidate for Prime Minister no less
What is it about family values Christian Conservatives and their libidos?
I don't think that applies to Ann Widdecombe or Tim Montgomerie somehow, neither of whom are much to look at. Crabb has a ruggedly handsome look I suppose and is relatively affable. Sad news as I met him once at a dinner and he was easy to talk to but politics is a high pressure environment which needs lots of energy and inevitably some will put those energies in other directions too. Anyway I don't think it should affect his Cabinet role
Nobody could be as stupid as to say what Leadsom has apparently said. Doesn't make sense.
I agree it seems too obscene. The quotes seem to be there though, and why is talking about Theresa May's lack of children at all, whether or not she explicitly criticised her for it. It's from the Times, I can't see them fabricating quotes. She needs to issue a statement immediately and clarify the remarks.
Nobody could be as stupid as to say what Leadsom has apparently said. Doesn't make sense.
She'll be explaining, clarifying, contextualizing (sic) for the next week....and a fat lot of good it will do her.
She couldn't have been aware that May was unable to have children.
She directly compares herself as having children with May as having none (That May "probably has nieces and nephews" but she, Leadsom, has children and thus a stake in the future) and follows it up by saying that May must be "very sad" about it.
I know there was an article recently about May opening up about not being able to have children and the heartbreak it has caused her and her husband but Leadsom shouldn't have been using that subject for political gain.
Well I thought the same about those nasty Leave posters/outright lies over Turkey/£350 million per week figures and we all know how that turned out
TSE, of all the people on here you are by far the saltiest. Did you mis-bet and lose a wodge?
Nope June 23rd/24th was profitable and I've backed Mrs Leadsom at great odds, ditto Mrs May, but I want the loathsome Leadsom to lose, and be humiliated at such a level she thinks she's Mark Oaten's rent boy.
Pure Trump tactics. Say something, anything, as long as it gets attention. Don't worry about who gets hurt or what the truth or reality is.
Dear God, how quickly this country has descended the depths.
It's not quite like Trump. She's used one fact (Mrs May has no children) and made some colossal leap of logic that her own children in some way advantage her for the role of Prime Minister. Trump is stupid and wrong. This is just stupid.
I have to say, though, bringing up children has made me a much wiser, less selfish and more sensible person. And now that I have children, I couldn't imagine having much purpose to my life without them.
But then, I was a bit of a reckless idiot pre-kids.
That's not to suggest May isn't fit for PM. Not at all. Just a note on how dramatic an impact fatherhood had on me.
Well I thought the same about those nasty Leave posters/outright lies over Turkey/£350 million per week figures and we all know how that turned out
TSE, of all the people on here you are by far the saltiest. Did you mis-bet and lose a wodge?
Nope June 23rd/24th was profitable and I've backed Mrs Leadsom at great odds, ditto Mrs May, but I want the loathsome Leadsom to lose, and be humiliated at such a level she thinks she's Mark Oaten's rent boy.
The Times used to be a proper newspaper.Just a nasty propaganda rag these days that will do anything to push its agenda. Wouldn't trust this story at all.
It is going to take her Leadsom down - she is the candidate for Prime Minister no less
I very much doubt it.No one reads the Times any more.
Albeit still unlikely, if Leadsom were to now withdraw , presumably May would be elected leader unopposed?
Would be up to the party board.
Though precedent would suggest so. In 1990, there should have been a third round according to the rules but it was cancelled after Hurd and Heseltine withdrew.
The Times used to be a proper newspaper.Just a nasty propaganda rag these days that will do anything to push its agenda. Wouldn't trust this story at all.
It is going to take her Leadsom down - she is the candidate for Prime Minister no less
I very much doubt it.No one reads the Times any more.
It's already on Sky and doing the rounds on social media.
What the F*** has blunkets policy on immigration got to do with it?
I was obliquely making the point that while saying that having working eyesight gives you an edge may be crass, it's nevertheless true. Would he have been so insouciant about overcrowding and mass immigration if he wasn't blind?
Nobody could be as stupid as to say what Leadsom has apparently said. Doesn't make sense.
She'll be explaining, clarifying, contextualizing (sic) for the next week....and a fat lot of good it will do her.
She couldn't have been aware that May was unable to have children.
She directly compares herself as having children with May as having none (That May "probably has nieces and nephews" but she, Leadsom, has children and thus a stake in the future) and follows it up by saying that May must be "very sad" about it.
She knew. She certainly knew and used it.
What bit is there doubt about? The Times would be bankrupt on the law suite if they made up these kinds of quotes.
Albeit still unlikely, if Leadsom were to now withdraw , presumably May would be elected leader unopposed?
Would be up to the party board.
Though precedent would suggest so. In 1990, there should have been a third round according to the rules but it was cancelled after Hurd and Heseltine withdrew.
I was doing some research on it this week, and that's what happened in 2003
She may have been deliberately calculating and assumed that, by doing it early, any revulsion about her bringing up the subject and attacking like this could subside and intend to have it hung around May's neck. She's probably hoping that her target electorate will agree with her in the privacy of the ballot casting.
I dearly hope she has underestimated the Conservative members as a whole.
The Times used to be a proper newspaper.Just a nasty propaganda rag these days that will do anything to push its agenda. Wouldn't trust this story at all.
It is going to take her Leadsom down - she is the candidate for Prime Minister no less
I very much doubt it.No one reads the Times any more.
People watch the broadcast media - I do not understand how anyone can attempt to justify her comments
The Times used to be a proper newspaper.Just a nasty propaganda rag these days that will do anything to push its agenda. Wouldn't trust this story at all.
It is going to take her Leadsom down - she is the candidate for Prime Minister no less
I very much doubt it.No one reads the Times any more.
It's already on Sky and doing the rounds on social media.
She may have been deliberately calculating and assumed that, by doing it early, any revulsion about her bringing up the subject and attacking like this could subside and intend to have it hung around May's neck. She's probably hoping that her target electorate will agree with her in the privacy of the ballot casting.
I dearly hope she has underestimated the Conservative members as a whole.
I don't believe that. I think this is just selective editing.
Nobody could be as stupid as to say what Leadsom has apparently said. Doesn't make sense.
She'll be explaining, clarifying, contextualizing (sic) for the next week....and a fat lot of good it will do her.
She couldn't have been aware that May was unable to have children.
She directly compares herself as having children with May as having none (That May "probably has nieces and nephews" but she, Leadsom, has children and thus a stake in the future) and follows it up by saying that May must be "very sad" about it.
She knew. She certainly knew and used it.
If she didn't her prep team should have.
Every interview is passed by ten people these days, none of them thought "hmmm, I wonder why she has no children?" for even a second?!
Bearing in mind they are in the same party, all their colleagues working with them are in the same party and have known each other for many, many years and it has been in the press before.
Pure Trump tactics. Say something, anything, as long as it gets attention. Don't worry about who gets hurt or what the truth or reality is.
Dear God, how quickly this country has descended the depths.
Yes, but the more outrageous you get the more those who crave a bit of naughtiness lap it up. I can't see this harming Leadsom at all. She's marketing herself as an iconoclast, a maverick and a speaker of truths to power. And, anyway, her more queasy supporters can just notch it up as a dirty-tricks operation on behalf of a panicking establishment.
What the F*** has blunkets policy on immigration got to do with it?
I was obliquely making the point that while saying that having working eyesight gives you an edge may be crass, it's nevertheless true. Would he have been so insouciant about overcrowding and mass immigration if he wasn't blind?
Im really not going to dignify that with a response.
Looking at the candidates for leadership what lovely people we have at the head of the tory party. The labour candidates were dreadful, at least they had some kind of morals, this lot are filth.
She may have been deliberately calculating and assumed that, by doing it early, any revulsion about her bringing up the subject and attacking like this could subside and intend to have it hung around May's neck. She's probably hoping that her target electorate will agree with her in the privacy of the ballot casting.
I dearly hope she has underestimated the Conservative members as a whole.
I don't believe that. I think this is just selective editing.
That's one of those irregular verbs, isn't it?
"I was selectively edited" "You were quoted out of context" "He's a massive bigot"
Nobody could be as stupid as to say what Leadsom has apparently said. Doesn't make sense.
She'll be explaining, clarifying, contextualizing (sic) for the next week....and a fat lot of good it will do her.
She couldn't have been aware that May was unable to have children.
She directly compares herself as having children with May as having none (That May "probably has nieces and nephews" but she, Leadsom, has children and thus a stake in the future) and follows it up by saying that May must be "very sad" about it.
She knew. She certainly knew and used it.
The 'very sad line' clearly shows she knows May couldn't have children and the heartbreak it has caused her.
IIRC Leadsom did talk about her children and her grandchildren's future during the referendum so talking about her own children and their future is fair enough. But to bring May's personal situation into it really is in incredibly poor taste.
Nobody could be as stupid as to say what Leadsom has apparently said. Doesn't make sense.
Quite - regardless of the ethics, self preservation would say dont touch the subject with a bargepole if you have any political nous
Crass doesn't begin to cover it. How did she think this couldn't come across as "Hey, at least MY ovaries work...." What thinking process gets her to say that out loud?
I remember alot on here being horrified by the immigration poster with Farage.
But, well, he won.
Could go either way with the party members, might put off a few spinster aunts (I'm not planning on having any kids myself before ye all judge !) - but could appeal to grandmothers/fathers even if they don't admit it as @Chestnut points out.
A quite disgusting tactic - but not necessarily an error.
Nobody could be as stupid as to say what Leadsom has apparently said. Doesn't make sense.
She'll be explaining, clarifying, contextualizing (sic) for the next week....and a fat lot of good it will do her.
She couldn't have been aware that May was unable to have children.
She directly compares herself as having children with May as having none (That May "probably has nieces and nephews" but she, Leadsom, has children and thus a stake in the future) and follows it up by saying that May must be "very sad" about it.
She knew. She certainly knew and used it.
What bit is there doubt about? The Times would be bankrupt on the law suite if they made up these kinds of quotes.
She also said she did not want to get into a contest with May on who was a mother or not
Looking at the candidates for leadership what lovely people we have at the head of the tory party. The labour candidates were dreadful, at least they had some kind of morals, this lot are filth.
BTW, there's a brilliantly funny quote at the end of that Times front page:
One MP backing Mrs May said last night: "I think these comments are disgusting. I think it's going to insult a lot of Conservative activists as well as a lot of nice, decent people".
Looking at the candidates for leadership what lovely people we have at the head of the tory party. The labour candidates were dreadful, at least they had some kind of morals, this lot are filth.
May certainly has morals and I seem to remember the last Labour Deputy PM had an affair with his secretary as did the first New Labour Foreign Secretary
BTW, there's a brilliantly funny quote at the end of that Times front page:
One MP backing Mrs May said last night: "I think these comments are disgusting. I think it's going to insult a lot of Conservative activists as well as a lot of nice, decent people".
I'm away and commenting on a mobile is a right pain, but I had to sign in to say how utterly disgusted I am by Andrea Leadsom. I'm ashamed to be in the same party as her, and I hope she fucks off to UKIP after getting thrashed by TM.
Looking at the candidates for leadership what lovely people we have at the head of the tory party. The labour candidates were dreadful, at least they had some kind of morals, this lot are filth.
What's May done now?
Looks like she'll win by being last one standing, the rest are busy blowing their own heads off. Every time I think we've gone as low as we can something even more loathsome occurs, we're governed by lowlives.
While I don't want to go over old ground again, there are two types of countries in Europe: those that sorted out their banking systems, and those that didn't.
Take Spain: it forced 48 regional savings banks - the Caixa - to close, the banks to recognise EUR400bn of bad debts, to raise more than EUR120bn of new equity and created a bad bank to hold toxic assets. Result: Spain's banking sector is one of the best capitalised in Europe, despite having had one of the worst pre-crisis economies.
Take Italy: it didn't have much debt compared to its neighbours so it thought it didn't need to sort things out. (And it would have been politically unpopular to inquire too much into the actions of the Populare, the equivalent of Spain's Caixa.) Result: the banks are unable to lend, dragging the domestic economy down. Only now, almost a decade after the crisis started have they realised their error.
Fortunately, the sums in Italy are quite small (Italians don't owe very much compared to...er... Brits for example). They just need the banks to raise a bit of equity and the government to create the obligatory bad bank. The issue is that doing what everyone else did in the past now breaches EU state aid rules. (Whoops.) So, the Italian government will likely have to stick two fingers up at the commission and do it anyway.
Which brings us to Deutsche Bank. It's fair to say that the Eurozone's only investment bank is also by far the most troubled bank in the whole block. No-one knows how big the issue is because they have literally trillions of market to model derivatives. (Of course real exposure will be less, but it could still be a number with a great many zeroes.)
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See where I'm going with this?
The members who are curious about her will also be able to find long interviews online if they want to. She should probably update her website to help with that.
http://www.andrealeadsom.com
Her words have probably been twisted. But the art of politics is not to give the opposition ammunition.
Dear God, how quickly this country has descended the depths.
She knew. She certainly knew and used it.
I know there was an article recently about May opening up about not being able to have children and the heartbreak it has caused her and her husband but Leadsom shouldn't have been using that subject for political gain.
Again if it's true then it's disgusting.
So much bants.
I have to say, though, bringing up children has made me a much wiser, less selfish and more sensible person. And now that I have children, I couldn't imagine having much purpose to my life without them.
But then, I was a bit of a reckless idiot pre-kids.
That's not to suggest May isn't fit for PM. Not at all. Just a note on how dramatic an impact fatherhood had on me.
http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2016/07/08/two-cops-shot-georgia-man-opens-fire-police-tennessee-highway-recent-incidents-one-civilian-dead/
Hell will freeze over...
That said, I may have to buy the blessed paper myself now just to be certain!
We thank you so much for canvassing so hard in Sheffield and convincing the good people of your fair city to vote LEAVE!
*innocent face*
She is hitting that spot that people with children know. There is no comparable love. Not parents, not siblings, not spouses.
I dearly hope she has underestimated the Conservative members as a whole.
Two month's of this,please let it end.
Every interview is passed by ten people these days, none of them thought "hmmm, I wonder why she has no children?" for even a second?!
Bearing in mind they are in the same party, all their colleagues working with them are in the same party and have known each other for many, many years and it has been in the press before.
84 Tory MPs think she should be PM of Great Britain in the midst of its worst peace time crisis in a hundred years. 84? Yeh gods.
A very very stupid and offensive thing to say.
"I was selectively edited"
"You were quoted out of context"
"He's a massive bigot"
IIRC Leadsom did talk about her children and her grandchildren's future during the referendum so talking about her own children and their future is fair enough. But to bring May's personal situation into it really is in incredibly poor taste.
We've got eight weeks of this?
But, well, he won.
Could go either way with the party members, might put off a few spinster aunts (I'm not planning on having any kids myself before ye all judge !) - but could appeal to grandmothers/fathers even if they don't admit it as @Chestnut points out.
A quite disgusting tactic - but not necessarily an error.
Last nights scoop photo of her campaign strategy didn't say anything about 'attack Ms May for not having children.'
I really think this is just a newspaper with an agenda. I hope Ms Leadsom keeps tapes of interviews she gives.
This modern trend of trial by social media is quite alarming.
One MP backing Mrs May said last night: "I think these comments are disgusting. I think it's going to insult a lot of Conservative activists as well as a lot of nice, decent people".
Take Spain: it forced 48 regional savings banks - the Caixa - to close, the banks to recognise EUR400bn of bad debts, to raise more than EUR120bn of new equity and created a bad bank to hold toxic assets. Result: Spain's banking sector is one of the best capitalised in Europe, despite having had one of the worst pre-crisis economies.
Take Italy: it didn't have much debt compared to its neighbours so it thought it didn't need to sort things out. (And it would have been politically unpopular to inquire too much into the actions of the Populare, the equivalent of Spain's Caixa.) Result: the banks are unable to lend, dragging the domestic economy down. Only now, almost a decade after the crisis started have they realised their error.
Fortunately, the sums in Italy are quite small (Italians don't owe very much compared to...er... Brits for example). They just need the banks to raise a bit of equity and the government to create the obligatory bad bank. The issue is that doing what everyone else did in the past now breaches EU state aid rules. (Whoops.) So, the Italian government will likely have to stick two fingers up at the commission and do it anyway.
Which brings us to Deutsche Bank. It's fair to say that the Eurozone's only investment bank is also by far the most troubled bank in the whole block. No-one knows how big the issue is because they have literally trillions of market to model derivatives. (Of course real exposure will be less, but it could still be a number with a great many zeroes.)
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/05/andrea-leadsom-row-over-overrun-with-foreigners-tweet