If this true, her support will go up 5 points. Plus Tebbit's support.
She's being so insistent about it either she's right, and even if carelessly worded the report of her words is outrageous, or she's delusional. I find it hard to believe she could truly be so delusional, so my first guess would be the full transcript would be incendiary but provide wiggle room to fuel a narrative of being fitted up by the 'remainstream' media.
Andrea Leadsom MP @andrealeadsom 5s5 seconds ago @thetimes@RSylvesterTimes this is the worst gutter journalism I've ever seen. I am so angry - I can't believe this. How could you?
As of now I don't believe her. But if she provides evidence to the contrary I will? If course, review my opinion
She doesn't have a transcript herself, which Harry Cole finds odd, as all other leadership campaigns have a press officer sitting in on interviews, recording them for such a happenstance.
Andrea Leadsom truly is an amateur, and we want her to lead our Brexit negotiations?
Yes, even leaving ethics aside your comment is very valid
If this true, her support will go up 5 points. Plus Tebbit's support.
She's being so insistent about it either she's right, and even if carelessly worded the report of her words is outrageous, or she's delusional. I find it hard to believe she could truly be so delusional, so my first guess would be the full transcript would be incendiary but provide wiggle room to fuel a narrative of being fitted up by the 'remainstream' media.
As an undecided con member who keeps flipping between the candidates every few hours - what was she thinking doing an interview with a newspaper clearly against her? Pick a friendly one like the Express... it shows poor judgement even if headline is fantasy. Pushing me towards May.
Albeit still unlikely, if Leadsom were to now withdraw , presumably May would be elected leader unopposed?
I'd be amazed if she withdrew. It's a lot easier to just ignore the newspapers and the telly.
She maybe forced to by public revulsion
She will win. I thought May would, but not now.
She is hitting that spot that people with children know. There is no comparable love. Not parents, not siblings, not spouses.
Just horrible comments unworthy of you
I am not sure what I would think of someone who didn't think their children were the most precious thing alive.
Of course my children and grand children are the most precious part of our lives but to try to score points over someone who has been unable to experience the joy of children through no fault of their own is unacceptable, crass, and unbecoming of anyone seeking the highest office in the land
Joy of children???
Clearly you've never had a child vomit into you face, mouth, eyes and nose when you're sleeping. I tell you, I didn't feel much joy opening my eyes and feeling them fill with a mixture stomach acid and semi-digested milk.
Theresa May insisting she is no "remainer" in the Telegraph o_O !?
I'm sorry but I'm reasonably sure she was on the remain side of the argument during the campaign, however quietly...
We are all Leavers now. Don't tell Alastair.
Leave is Leave. We shall not rejoin the EU in the foreseeable future.
Indeed. Though it is somewhat hilarious that Remainers may be the better managers of Leave, on current evidence, than Leavers would be.
You might think me pious, but having a reluctant Leaver as PM might soothe the savage brow of the 48% who are being ripped unwillingly from nurse's bosom.
I see the paranoid string of Leavers are in full swing still - it doesn't matter who wanted Brexit before, we are getting Brexit now, and its about who can get the best deal. If that's Leadsome, fine, that's an opinion, but it's not a Remain vs Leave fight anymore.
I presume Remainstream media also includes media which was, in fact, for Leave. Remarkable.
The Times backed Remain. May will clearly win now, she was going to anyway even without this interview, take us into EFTA/EEA and probably do a free movement deal. Then the betrayal cries of the hardcore Leavers will arise and UKIP will aim to pick up where Leadsom left off
I wasn't merely speaking of the Times - remainstream media is clearly not referencing just the times and this story, and Leaver backing media and commentators have backed May too, therefore dismissing attacks on Leadsome as from the 'remainstream media' by implication encompasses those bits and people we know were for leave.
If this true, her support will go up 5 points. Plus Tebbit's support.
When you have to explain you have lost.
The Times will not have reported this without the evidence. They are professionals against an amateur who has just holed her campaign below the waterline.
@PaulBrandITV: Worth questioning what phrase 'as a mother' meant during #EUref too. Benign on surface, but does it imply non-mothers don't always get it?
As of now I don't believe her. But if she provides evidence to the contrary I will? If course, review my opinion
She doesn't have a transcript herself, which Harry Cole finds odd, as all other leadership campaigns have a press officer sitting in on interviews, recording them for such a happenstance.
Andrea Leadsom truly is an amateur, and we want her to lead our Brexit negotiations?
Yes, even leaving ethics aside your comment is very valid
The Times is supposed to be our premier newspaper. Can you not expect professional behaviour from their journalists, when dealing with a candidate for PM?
Albeit still unlikely, if Leadsom were to now withdraw , presumably May would be elected leader unopposed?
I'd be amazed if she withdrew. It's a lot easier to just ignore the newspapers and the telly.
She maybe forced to by public revulsion
She will win. I thought May would, but not now.
She is hitting that spot that people with children know. There is no comparable love. Not parents, not siblings, not spouses.
Just horrible comments unworthy of you
I am not sure what I would think of someone who didn't think their children were the most precious thing alive.
Of course my children and grand children are the most precious part of our lives but to try to score points over someone who has been unable to experience the joy of children through no fault of their own is unacceptable, crass, and unbecoming of anyone seeking the highest office in the land
Joy of children???
Clearly you've never had a child vomit into you face, mouth, eyes and nose when you're sleeping. I tell you, I didn't feel much joy opening my eyes and feeling them fill with a mixture stomach acid and semi-digested milk.
As of now I don't believe her. But if she provides evidence to the contrary I will? If course, review my opinion
She doesn't have a transcript herself, which Harry Cole finds odd, as all other leadership campaigns have a press officer sitting in on interviews, recording them for such a happenstance.
Andrea Leadsom truly is an amateur, and we want her to lead our Brexit negotiations?
Yes, even leaving ethics aside your comment is very valid
There is another point which is not ethnical, per se.
I posted earlier about my unease with Leadsom talking about difficult topics.
Tonight she was clearly discussing the implications of having children on a person's job and clearly lacked the tact or diplomacy to pull it off.
The complete opposite of what she said? What does that mean?
That she said it _wasn't_ sad for Theresa May that she couldn't have children? That she said that having children _didn't_ give her (Leadsom) a stake in the country's future?
Being charitable, she presumably was not intending to be literal when saying it was the complete opposite, but was using the phrase figuratively as an emphasis on how wrong it was.
As of now I don't believe her. But if she provides evidence to the contrary I will? If course, review my opinion
She doesn't have a transcript herself, which Harry Cole finds odd, as all other leadership campaigns have a press officer sitting in on interviews, recording them for such a happenstance.
Andrea Leadsom truly is an amateur, and we want her to lead our Brexit negotiations?
If this true, her support will go up 5 points. Plus Tebbit's support.
When you have to explain you have lost.
The Times will not have reported this without the evidence. They are professionals against an amateur who has just holed her campaign below the waterline.
This is going to lead tomorrows news. I expect Ms Leadsom to be vindicated.
Isabel Oakeshott @IsabelOakeshott 19m19 minutes ago So disappointing that day ONE of contest between May/Leadsom descends into a row about motherhood. Leadsom waltzed into glaring trap
As of now I don't believe her. But if she provides evidence to the contrary I will? If course, review my opinion
She doesn't have a transcript herself, which Harry Cole finds odd, as all other leadership campaigns have a press officer sitting in on interviews, recording them for such a happenstance.
Andrea Leadsom truly is an amateur, and we want her to lead our Brexit negotiations?
Yes, even leaving ethics aside your comment is very valid
The Times is supposed to be our premier newspaper. Can you not expect professional behaviour from their journalists, when dealing with a candidate for PM?
And you think the likes of Juncker will be ethical in the Brexit negotiations?
IMO, Leadsom is doing herself more damage with her reaction than with the original comments themselves. Getting "so angry" and having a Twitter rant just over a newspaper article does not exactly seem like the type of person who's tough enough to go into a negotiating room with Putin.
If this true, her support will go up 5 points. Plus Tebbit's support.
When you have to explain you have lost.
The Times will not have reported this without the evidence. They are professionals against an amateur who has just holed her campaign below the waterline.
This is going to lead tomorrows news. I expect Ms Leadsom to be vindicated.
I suspect she did say the things reported, but only after being led there by the reporter.
As of now I don't believe her. But if she provides evidence to the contrary I will? If course, review my opinion
She doesn't have a transcript herself, which Harry Cole finds odd, as all other leadership campaigns have a press officer sitting in on interviews, recording them for such a happenstance.
Andrea Leadsom truly is an amateur, and we want her to lead our Brexit negotiations?
If this true, her support will go up 5 points. Plus Tebbit's support.
When you have to explain you have lost.
The Times will not have reported this without the evidence. They are professionals against an amateur who has just holed her campaign below the waterline.
They are one of the last bastions of professionals to be honest, if this had been The Sun I would have a salt cellars worth of pinching to take with it.
@PaulBrandITV: Worth questioning what phrase 'as a mother' meant during #EUref too. Benign on surface, but does it imply non-mothers don't always get it?
No, not really, it's just lazy attempts to connect with the audience. Stuart and Leadsome were particularly robotic in parroting the line at Wembley, to the point Davidson had to mock the repetition (albeit by saying there were mothers on the Remain side too)
Oh FFS. Did Leadsom actually tell the Times she'd be a better leader than May because unlike her dodgy tubes she was at one point fertile? Holy fuck, she's an imbecile.
If this true, her support will go up 5 points. Plus Tebbit's support.
When you have to explain you have lost.
The Times will not have reported this without the evidence. They are professionals against an amateur who has just holed her campaign below the waterline.
This is going to lead tomorrows news. I expect Ms Leadsom to be vindicated.
I suspect she did say the things reported, but only after being led there by the reporter.
"Mrs Leadsom, how would you differentiate yourself from Mrs May? Why should members choose you?"
IMO, Leadsom is doing herself more damage with her reaction than with the original comments themselves. Getting "so angry" and having a Twitter rant just over a newspaper article does not exactly seem like the type of person who's tough enough to go into a negotiating room with Putin.
IMO, Leadsom is doing herself more damage with her reaction than with the original comments themselves. Getting "so angry" and having a Twitter rant just over a newspaper article does not exactly seem like the type of person who's tough enough to go into a negotiating room with Putin.
That depends - if she's right, her emotional reaction initially will be quickly forgotten.
I see the paranoid string of Leavers are in full swing still - it doesn't matter who wanted Brexit before, we are getting Brexit now, and its about who can get the best deal. If that's Leadsome, fine, that's an opinion, but it's not a Remain vs Leave fight anymore.
I presume Remainstream media also includes media which was, in fact, for Leave. Remarkable.
The Times backed Remain. May will clearly win now, she was going to anyway even without this interview, take us into EFTA/EEA and probably do a free movement deal. Then the betrayal cries of the hardcore Leavers will arise and UKIP will aim to pick up where Leadsom left off
I wasn't merely speaking of the Times - remainstream media is clearly not referencing just the times and this story, and Leaver backing media and commentators have backed May too, therefore dismissing attacks on Leadsome as from the 'remainstream media' by implication encompasses those bits and people we know were for leave.
We've seen it endlessly since the referendum.
Some sections of the Leave press eg the Daily Telegraph are more pro Leadsom than others
If this true, her support will go up 5 points. Plus Tebbit's support.
When you have to explain you have lost.
The Times will not have reported this without the evidence. They are professionals against an amateur who has just holed her campaign below the waterline.
This is going to lead tomorrows news. I expect Ms Leadsom to be vindicated.
I suspect she did say the things reported, but only after being led there by the reporter.
I see the paranoid string of Leavers are in full swing still - it doesn't matter who wanted Brexit before, we are getting Brexit now, and its about who can get the best deal. If that's Leadsome, fine, that's an opinion, but it's not a Remain vs Leave fight anymore.
I presume Remainstream media also includes media which was, in fact, for Leave. Remarkable.
The Times backed Remain. May will clearly win now, she was going to anyway even without this interview, take us into EFTA/EEA and probably do a free movement deal. Then the betrayal cries of the hardcore Leavers will arise and UKIP will aim to pick up where Leadsom left off
I wasn't merely speaking of the Times - remainstream media is clearly not referencing just the times and this story, and Leaver backing media and commentators have backed May too, therefore dismissing attacks on Leadsome as from the 'remainstream media' by implication encompasses those bits and people we know were for leave.
We've seen it endlessly since the referendum.
Some sections of the Leave press eg the Daily Telegraph are more pro Leadsom than others
Yes. There isn't a clear bloc. But talk of the 'remainstream media', like most use of 'mainstream media' is partisan, whingey bollocks. A rallying cry and that's it.
I see the paranoid string of Leavers are in full swing still - it doesn't matter who wanted Brexit before, we are getting Brexit now, and its about who can get the best deal. If that's Leadsome, fine, that's an opinion, but it's not a Remain vs Leave fight anymore.
I presume Remainstream media also includes media which was, in fact, for Leave. Remarkable.
The Times backed Remain. May will clearly win now, she was going to anyway even without this interview, take us into EFTA/EEA and probably do a free movement deal. Then the betrayal cries of the hardcore Leavers will arise and UKIP will aim to pick up where Leadsom left off
I wasn't merely speaking of the Times - remainstream media is clearly not referencing just the times and this story, and Leaver backing media and commentators have backed May too, therefore dismissing attacks on Leadsome as from the 'remainstream media' by implication encompasses those bits and people we know were for leave.
We've seen it endlessly since the referendum.
Some sections of the Leave press eg the Daily Telegraph are more pro Leadsom than others
Yes. But talk of the 'remainstream media', like most use of 'mainstream media' is partisan, whingey bollocks. A rallying cry and that's it.
Reality check. This is one headline + Twitter storm. Let's not get sucked into the bubble.
Most members will be safely tucked up in bed by now.
Some may read the papers tomorrow!
I'm going to amble down to the local CC tomorrow, it's on the way to the butchers. I shall consult and then report back from the Wise Women, assuming they're not all golfing.
If this true, her support will go up 5 points. Plus Tebbit's support.
When you have to explain you have lost.
The Times will not have reported this without the evidence. They are professionals against an amateur who has just holed her campaign below the waterline.
This is going to lead tomorrows news. I expect Ms Leadsom to be vindicated.
Not a chance - her comments will end her campaign - why did she even go there
If this true, her support will go up 5 points. Plus Tebbit's support.
When you have to explain you have lost.
The Times will not have reported this without the evidence. They are professionals against an amateur who has just holed her campaign below the waterline.
This is going to lead tomorrows news. I expect Ms Leadsom to be vindicated.
Not a chance - her comments will end her campaign - why did she even go there
Not willing to wait for the transcript? Speaks volumes...
If this true, her support will go up 5 points. Plus Tebbit's support.
When you have to explain you have lost.
The Times will not have reported this without the evidence. They are professionals against an amateur who has just holed her campaign below the waterline.
This is going to lead tomorrows news. I expect Ms Leadsom to be vindicated.
Not a chance - her comments will end her campaign - why did she even go there
The thing that people will remember is that Leadsom is a mum, and May is not.
It may well be politically incorrect and taboo to say this but most people never love like they love their own children. It's an extremely emotional pull. All parents know it.
The press tried to crucify Corbyn, stories about him sh***ing Abbot etc, we all know what happened there.
I think I was the only person who thought better of Corbyn and Abbott from that 'revelation' - I thought it rather nice that they've been such close friends and allies for decades after any more intimate involvement ended.
Q. Do you think being a mother would help you to run the country? A. Yes of course.
Q. So it would be a benefit for the next PM to have children? A. yes, I mean, er, maybe.
Q. So if the next PM didn't have children that would be a problem... A. Er... no... wait
Q... like Theresa May? [Exeunt]
Except the quotes are quotes; as in "". This means that they were exactly as the person said (except for removal of erms and ers). Basic ethics of journalism.
The thing that people will remember is that Leadsom is a mum, and May is not.
It may well be politically incorrect and taboo to say this but most people never love like they love their own children. It's an extremely emotional pull. All parents know it.
For people with no compassion or heart for the person unable to have children. You're barking up the wrong tree here.
The thing that people will remember is that Leadsom is a mum, and May is not.
It may well be politically incorrect and taboo to say this but most people never love like they love their own children. It's an extremely emotional pull. All parents know it.
That's not taboo, people say that all the time. I don't quite get why that would translate into more votes for either of them though. Fine, people never love like they love their own children. Do parents really think not knowing that love makes it harder to negotiate a trade deal or other government business?
Does Merkel have any children btw? No one questions her ability to do the job!
The thing that people will remember is that Leadsom is a mum, and May is not.
It may well be politically incorrect and taboo to say this but most people never love like they love their own children. It's an extremely emotional pull. All parents know it.
It's not taboo to say you love your kids.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RUNNING THE COUNTRY HERE NOT HER KIDS
If this true, her support will go up 5 points. Plus Tebbit's support.
When you have to explain you have lost.
The Times will not have reported this without the evidence. They are professionals against an amateur who has just holed her campaign below the waterline.
This is going to lead tomorrows news. I expect Ms Leadsom to be vindicated.
Whether she is or not she's either a fool for being suckered or a horrible human being. Neither suggests she should even be in the final two, let alone PM.
"Mr Cameron also confirmed for the first time yesterday since announcing his resignation that he wants to stay on as an MP after leaving Downing Street."
Lucky no second referendum,leave leaders have destroyed themselves,except one.
Farage ;-)
This is the Leave campaign in action:
htps://youtu.be/NUHk2RSMCS8
With the rather crucial difference that they won before destroying themselves. They might not get the Leave they wanted, some of them, but they will get Leave.
The press tried to crucify Corbyn, stories about him sh***ing Abbot etc, we all know what happened there.
Very true. See Ed Miliband also. His kitchen ffsake.
Didn't end well for Ed or his stone.
Well that one was self inflicted but I don't remember anything like the amount of vitriol being directed against Dave in GE2015 till the EURef. Funny that.
This forum seems to have been very busy since the newspaper reviews. Think this will be a mega storm tomorrow on the broadcast media. She may not survive this weekend even
The thing that people will remember is that Leadsom is a mum, and May is not.
It may well be politically incorrect and taboo to say this but most people never love like they love their own children. It's an extremely emotional pull. All parents know it.
Yes, but it doesn't affect their eligibility to be prime minister. Now you have a little cry about how much you love your kiddies, and drink plenty of water before you go to bed.
Isabel Oakeshott @IsabelOakeshott 2m2 minutes ago Journalists will now try to coax @andrealeadsom into talking about May's looks/weight/health. Guaranteed. I hope she sees the trap next time
"Mr Cameron also confirmed for the first time yesterday since announcing his resignation that he wants to stay on as an MP after leaving Downing Street."
If this true, her support will go up 5 points. Plus Tebbit's support.
When you have to explain you have lost.
The Times will not have reported this without the evidence. They are professionals against an amateur who has just holed her campaign below the waterline.
This is going to lead tomorrows news. I expect Ms Leadsom to be vindicated.
Whether she is or not she's either a fool for being suckered or a horrible human being. Neither suggests she should even be in the final two, let alone PM.
Glad you're able to keep an open mind. Well done You.
What the hell is up with the ((( ))) people are using on tw@tter btw ?
I read somewhere that there's a far right group was using it to mark accounts they suspected were of Jews and then using automatic software to fill up their accounts with racist filth. So some people started using it themselves (as non Jews) to confuse the bots
This forum seems to have been very busy since the newspaper reviews. Think this will be a mega storm tomorrow on the broadcast media. She may not survive this weekend even
If this true, her support will go up 5 points. Plus Tebbit's support.
When you have to explain you have lost.
The Times will not have reported this without the evidence. They are professionals against an amateur who has just holed her campaign below the waterline.
This is going to lead tomorrows news. I expect Ms Leadsom to be vindicated.
Whether she is or not she's either a fool for being suckered or a horrible human being. Neither suggests she should even be in the final two, let alone PM.
Precisely. Although I blame the 84 MPs, rather than her.
The press tried to crucify Corbyn, stories about him sh***ing Abbot etc, we all know what happened there.
Very true. See Ed Miliband also. His kitchen ffsake.
Didn't end well for Ed or his stone.
Well that one was self inflicted but I don't remember anything like the amount of vitriol being directed against Dave in GE2015 till the EURef. Funny that.
No bacon sandwiches involved though. I think the media went after Dave because his negotiation was crap. He didn't give it a proper try so they crucified him. It is also fair to say that the print media still holds a lot of power, I think the Sun, Mail and Telegraph swung a lot of voters for Leave in the same way the Guardian, Mirror and Independent couldn't.
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@thetimes @RSylvesterTimes this is the worst gutter journalism I've ever seen. I am so angry - I can't believe this. How could you?
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NEGOTIATE!
We've seen it endlessly since the referendum.
The Times will not have reported this without the evidence. They are professionals against an amateur who has just holed her campaign below the waterline.
https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/751537500204793856
Edit - just seen that Scott posted it earlier. Oh well, it bears repeating.
I posted earlier about my unease with Leadsom talking about difficult topics.
Tonight she was clearly discussing the implications of having children on a person's job and clearly lacked the tact or diplomacy to pull it off.
I really do think it sets the tone here.
So disappointing that day ONE of contest between May/Leadsom descends into a row about motherhood. Leadsom waltzed into glaring trap
Most members will be safely tucked up in bed by now.
Farage ;-)
Yeah, I could see that.
I reckon the odds will be thus
1/100 - Northern Ireland Secretary
1/1000 - UK Ambassador to the Islamic State
I think this controversy may lead tomorrows news.
Q. Do you think being a mother would help you to run the country?
A. Yes of course.
Q. So it would be a benefit for the next PM to have children?
A. yes, I mean, er, maybe.
Q. So if the next PM didn't have children that would be a problem...
A. Er... no... wait
Q... like Theresa May?
[Exeunt]
https://youtu.be/NUHk2RSMCS8
It may well be politically incorrect and taboo to say this but most people never love like they love their own children. It's an extremely emotional pull. All parents know it.
1) she didn't know about May's infertility, in which case she's a crass idiot.
2) she did know and she's just a nasty old trout
Does Merkel have any children btw? No one questions her ability to do the job!
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RUNNING THE COUNTRY HERE NOT HER KIDS
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1415766/pm-david-cameron-angrily-denies-he-is-clinging-on-to-power-for-too-long/
Funny that.
Journalists will now try to coax @andrealeadsom into talking about May's looks/weight/health. Guaranteed. I hope she sees the trap next time
That's if she's still in the campaign by Sunday.
Gay adoption, fertility treatment etc etc.
We're in for quite a ride.