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Can I commission you to write a PB thread header on those lines?Tissue_Price said:I'm away and commenting on a mobile is a right pain, but I had to sign in to say how utterly disgusted I am by Andrea Leadsom. I'm ashamed to be in the same party as her, and I hope she fucks off to UKIP after getting thrashed by TM.
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No chance. What this tells us is a) she said these things exactly as quoted b) she is unfit for high office (at least at this stage) because she has no idea how journalism works.HaroldO said:
To the law courts!John_M said:
Imagine her unguarded quotes to the financial press during the negotiations with EU.
Is the Tory party having a laugh? have they seriously put this person forward to lead the country.
Shame on you.
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What about UK banks. How healthy are they?rcs1000 said:
While I don't want to go over old ground again, there are two types of countries in Europe: those that sorted out their banking systems, and those that didn't.MaxPB said:I wouldn't be so sure about Deutsche.
Take Spain: it forced 48 regional savings banks - the Caixa - to close, the banks to recognise EUR400bn of bad debts, to raise more than EUR120bn of new equity and created a bad bank to hold toxic assets. Result: Spain's banking sector is one of the best capitalised in Europe, despite having had one of the worst pre-crisis economies.
Take Italy: it didn't have much debt compared to its neighbours so it thought it didn't need to sort things out. (And it would have been politically unpopular to inquire too much into the actions of the Populare, the equivalent of Spain's Caixa.) Result: the banks are unable to lend, dragging the domestic economy down. Only now, almost a decade after the crisis started have they realised their error.
Fortunately, the sums in Italy are quite small (Italians don't owe very much compared to...er... Brits for example). They just need the banks to raise a bit of equity and the government to create the obligatory bad bank. The issue is that doing what everyone else did in the past now breaches EU state aid rules. (Whoops.) So, the Italian government will likely have to stick two fingers up at the commission and do it anyway.
Which brings us to Deutsche Bank. It's fair to say that the Eurozone's only investment bank is also by far the most troubled bank in the whole block. No-one knows how big the issue is because they have literally trillions of market to model derivatives. (Of course real exposure will be less, but it could still be a number with a great many zeroes.)0 -
When Tom Watson thinks you're slime, you really are in trouble. Tom Watson! Waiting for tweet from Satan.
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Don't be silly! Who else fathered Jacques Delors?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Adolf Hitler didn't have any.TheScreamingEagles said:@mikeysmith: Mussolini had six children. Just for the record.
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As I said 84 idiots.rottenborough said:
No chance. What this tells us is a) she said these things exactly as quoted b) she is unfit for high office (at least at this stage) because she has no idea how journalism works.HaroldO said:
To the law courts!John_M said:
Imagine her unguarded quotes to the financial press during the negotiations with EU.
Is the Tory party having a laugh? have they seriously put this person forward to lead the country.
Shame on you.0 -
No way they would have put that out there if they weren't certain they could defend themselves. Not a straight up interview anyway.PrinceofTaranto said:0 -
Financial Stability Report says they're fine.anotherDave said:
What about UK banks. How healthy are they?rcs1000 said:
While I don't want to go over old ground again, there are two types of countries in Europe: those that sorted out their banking systems, and those that didn't.MaxPB said:I wouldn't be so sure about Deutsche.
Take Spain: it forced 48 regional savings banks - the Caixa - to close, the banks to recognise EUR400bn of bad debts, to raise more than EUR120bn of new equity and created a bad bank to hold toxic assets. Result: Spain's banking sector is one of the best capitalised in Europe, despite having had one of the worst pre-crisis economies.
Take Italy: it didn't have much debt compared to its neighbours so it thought it didn't need to sort things out. (And it would have been politically unpopular to inquire too much into the actions of the Populare, the equivalent of Spain's Caixa.) Result: the banks are unable to lend, dragging the domestic economy down. Only now, almost a decade after the crisis started have they realised their error.
Fortunately, the sums in Italy are quite small (Italians don't owe very much compared to...er... Brits for example). They just need the banks to raise a bit of equity and the government to create the obligatory bad bank. The issue is that doing what everyone else did in the past now breaches EU state aid rules. (Whoops.) So, the Italian government will likely have to stick two fingers up at the commission and do it anyway.
Which brings us to Deutsche Bank. It's fair to say that the Eurozone's only investment bank is also by far the most troubled bank in the whole block. No-one knows how big the issue is because they have literally trillions of market to model derivatives. (Of course real exposure will be less, but it could still be a number with a great many zeroes.)
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Documents/fsr/2016/fsrjul16sum.pdf0 -
It would be hilarious if Jean-Marie Loret was related to Delorsrcs1000 said:
Don't be silly! Who else fathered Jacques Delors?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Adolf Hitler didn't have any.TheScreamingEagles said:@mikeysmith: Mussolini had six children. Just for the record.
Just sayin'....0 -
The Times had better not be guilty of any selective quoting. Otherwise it will be a huge publicity win for Leadsom - cementing her position as the candidate the establishment fears.TheScreamingEagles said:0
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The complete opposite of what she said? What does that mean?
That she said it _wasn't_ sad for Theresa May that she couldn't have children? That she said that having children _didn't_ give her (Leadsom) a stake in the country's future?
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Leaving t may entirely out of it, it is still appalling because the implication is that leadsom thinks that it she herself were childless she would be working on the principle that she personally wanted to get her kicks before the whole shithouse went up in flames. In other words she isn't capable of altruism benefiting anyone more remotely connected to her than direct descendants, AND is too thick to think that simulating the capability for such altruism might be quite a good idea.0
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Is the Bank of England a credible source?John_M said:
Financial Stability Report says they're fine.anotherDave said:
What about UK banks. How healthy are they?rcs1000 said:
While I don't want to go over old ground again, there are two types of countries in Europe: those that sorted out their banking systems, and those that didn't.MaxPB said:I wouldn't be so sure about Deutsche.
Take Spain: it forced 48 regional savings banks - the Caixa - to close, the banks to recognise EUR400bn of bad debts, to raise more than EUR120bn of new equity and created a bad bank to hold toxic assets. Result: Spain's banking sector is one of the best capitalised in Europe, despite having had one of the worst pre-crisis economies.
Take Italy: it didn't have much debt compared to its neighbours so it thought it didn't need to sort things out. (And it would have been politically unpopular to inquire too much into the actions of the Populare, the equivalent of Spain's Caixa.) Result: the banks are unable to lend, dragging the domestic economy down. Only now, almost a decade after the crisis started have they realised their error.
Fortunately, the sums in Italy are quite small (Italians don't owe very much compared to...er... Brits for example). They just need the banks to raise a bit of equity and the government to create the obligatory bad bank. The issue is that doing what everyone else did in the past now breaches EU state aid rules. (Whoops.) So, the Italian government will likely have to stick two fingers up at the commission and do it anyway.
Which brings us to Deutsche Bank. It's fair to say that the Eurozone's only investment bank is also by far the most troubled bank in the whole block. No-one knows how big the issue is because they have literally trillions of market to model derivatives. (Of course real exposure will be less, but it could still be a number with a great many zeroes.)
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Documents/fsr/2016/fsrjul16sum.pdf
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If these are the best the conservatives have what must the rest be like?0
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Exact opposite = my children make me a less good PM?rottenborough said:
No chance. What this tells us is a) she said these things exactly as quoted b) she is unfit for high office (at least at this stage) because she has no idea how journalism works.HaroldO said:
To the law courts!John_M said:
Imagine her unguarded quotes to the financial press during the negotiations with EU.
Is the Tory party having a laugh? have they seriously put this person forward to lead the country.
Shame on you.0 -
Well, they'll do for me. Despite the jibes I actually do listen to experts. I just don't always follow their recommendationsanotherDave said:
Is the Bank of England a credible source?John_M said:
Financial Stability Report says they're fine.anotherDave said:
What about UK banks. How healthy are they?rcs1000 said:
While I don't want to go over old ground again, there are two types of countries in Europe: those that sorted out their banking systems, and those that didn't.MaxPB said:I wouldn't be so sure about Deutsche.
Take Spain: it forced 48 regional savings banks - the Caixa - to close, the banks to recognise EUR400bn of bad debts, to raise more than EUR120bn of new equity and created a bad bank to hold toxic assets. Result: Spain's banking sector is one of the best capitalised in Europe, despite having had one of the worst pre-crisis economies.
Take Italy: it didn't have much debt compared to its neighbours so it thought it didn't need to sort things out. (And it would have been politically unpopular to inquire too much into the actions of the Populare, the equivalent of Spain's Caixa.) Result: the banks are unable to lend, dragging the domestic economy down. Only now, almost a decade after the crisis started have they realised their error.
Fortunately, the sums in Italy are quite small (Italians don't owe very much compared to...er... Brits for example). They just need the banks to raise a bit of equity and the government to create the obligatory bad bank. The issue is that doing what everyone else did in the past now breaches EU state aid rules. (Whoops.) So, the Italian government will likely have to stick two fingers up at the commission and do it anyway.
Which brings us to Deutsche Bank. It's fair to say that the Eurozone's only investment bank is also by far the most troubled bank in the whole block. No-one knows how big the issue is because they have literally trillions of market to model derivatives. (Of course real exposure will be less, but it could still be a number with a great many zeroes.)
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Documents/fsr/2016/fsrjul16sum.pdf
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Of course my children and grand children are the most precious part of our lives but to try to score points over someone who has been unable to experience the joy of children through no fault of their own is unacceptable, crass, and unbecoming of anyone seeking the highest office in the landchestnut said:
I am not sure what I would think of someone who didn't think their children were the most precious thing alive.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just horrible comments unworthy of youchestnut said:
She will win. I thought May would, but not now.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She maybe forced to by public revulsionanotherDave said:
I'd be amazed if she withdrew. It's a lot easier to just ignore the newspapers and the telly.JohnO said:Albeit still unlikely, if Leadsom were to now withdraw , presumably May would be elected leader unopposed?
She is hitting that spot that people with children know. There is no comparable love. Not parents, not siblings, not spouses.0 -
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges 6m6 minutes ago
If The Times can now demonstrate Ledsom's comments were accurately reported she's going to have to step down from the contest.0 -
HAH !blackburn63 said:If these are the best the conservatives have what must the rest be like?
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Are you not entertained? Are you not entertained? Is this not why you are here??Pulpstar said:Come on you lot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsqJFIJ5lLs
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Non-story confirmed!rottenborough said:(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges 6m6 minutes ago
If The Times can now demonstrate Ledsom's comments were accurately reported she's going to have to step down from the contest.0 -
More wishful thinking from Han Dodges.rottenborough said:(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges 6m6 minutes ago
If The Times can now demonstrate Ledsom's comments were accurately reported she's going to have to step down from the contest.0 -
Leadsom could clearly have thought before she spoke but that quote by a May backer suggests the pro Remain Times may clearly have had an agenda too to spin the story in an anti Leadsom directionRichard_Nabavi said:BTW, there's a brilliantly funny quote at the end of that Times front page:
One MP backing Mrs May said last night: "I think these comments are disgusting. I think it's going to insult a lot of Conservative activists as well as a lot of nice, decent people".0 -
Not sure... too many experts probablyanotherDave said:
Is the Bank of England a credible source?John_M said:
Financial Stability Report says they're fine.anotherDave said:
What about UK banks. How healthy are they?rcs1000 said:
While I don't want to go over old ground again, there are two types of countries in Europe: those that sorted out their banking systems, and those that didn't.MaxPB said:I wouldn't be so sure about Deutsche.
Take Spain: it forced 48 regional savings banks - the Caixa - to close, the banks to recognise EUR400bn of bad debts, to raise more than EUR120bn of new equity and created a bad bank to hold toxic assets. Result: Spain's banking sector is one of the best capitalised in Europe, despite having had one of the worst pre-crisis economies.
Take Italy: it didn't have much debt compared to its neighbours so it thought it didn't need to sort things out. (And it would have been politically unpopular to inquire too much into the actions of the Populare, the equivalent of Spain's Caixa.) Result: the banks are unable to lend, dragging the domestic economy down. Only now, almost a decade after the crisis started have they realised their error.
Fortunately, the sums in Italy are quite small (Italians don't owe very much compared to...er... Brits for example). They just need the banks to raise a bit of equity and the government to create the obligatory bad bank. The issue is that doing what everyone else did in the past now breaches EU state aid rules. (Whoops.) So, the Italian government will likely have to stick two fingers up at the commission and do it anyway.
Which brings us to Deutsche Bank. It's fair to say that the Eurozone's only investment bank is also by far the most troubled bank in the whole block. No-one knows how big the issue is because they have literally trillions of market to model derivatives. (Of course real exposure will be less, but it could still be a number with a great many zeroes.)
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Documents/fsr/2016/fsrjul16sum.pdf 0 -
Next England manager: Jurgen Klinsmann in talks with FA to replace Roy Hodgson, says former Germany team-mate
Oliver Bierhoff says he believes the former Tottenham and Germany striker is in talks to become the next England manager
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/next-england-manager-jurgen-klinsmann-in-talks-with-fa-replace-roy-hodgson-germany-oliver-bierhoff-a7127806.html0 -
Do you know the expression "non sequitur"?chestnut said:
I am not sure what I would think of someone who didn't think their children were the most precious thing alive.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just horrible comments unworthy of youchestnut said:
She will win. I thought May would, but not now.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She maybe forced to by public revulsionanotherDave said:
I'd be amazed if she withdrew. It's a lot easier to just ignore the newspapers and the telly.JohnO said:Albeit still unlikely, if Leadsom were to now withdraw , presumably May would be elected leader unopposed?
She is hitting that spot that people with children know. There is no comparable love. Not parents, not siblings, not spouses.0 -
Well I'm going to be a bit controversial and say I feel sorry for Crabb.
It's just muck raking.0 -
I was going to mention this but I just want it to end now.Stark_Dawning said:The Times had better not be guilty of any selective quoting. Otherwise it will be a huge publicity win for Leadsom - cementing her position as the candidate the establishment fears.
TheScreamingEagles said:
Two months of this crap.0 -
Indeed.rottenborough said:(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges 6m6 minutes ago
If The Times can now demonstrate Ledsom's comments were accurately reported she's going to have to step down from the contest.0 -
The best three conservatives aren't standing in this contest.Pulpstar said:
HAH !blackburn63 said:If these are the best the conservatives have what must the rest be like?
Dave, George, and Ken Clarke0 -
YesanotherDave said:
Is the Bank of England a credible source?John_M said:
Financial Stability Report says they're fine.anotherDave said:
What about UK banks. How healthy are they?rcs1000 said:
While I don't want to go over old ground again, there are two types of countries in Europe: those that sorted out their banking systems, and those that didn't.MaxPB said:I wouldn't be so sure about Deutsche.
Take Spain: it forced 48 regional savings banks - the Caixa - to close, the banks to recognise EUR400bn of bad debts, to raise more than EUR120bn of new equity and created a bad bank to hold toxic assets. Result: Spain's banking sector is one of the best capitalised in Europe, despite having had one of the worst pre-crisis economies.
Take Italy: it didn't have much debt compared to its neighbours so it thought it didn't need to sort things out. (And it would have been politically unpopular to inquire too much into the actions of the Populare, the equivalent of Spain's Caixa.) Result: the banks are unable to lend, dragging the domestic economy down. Only now, almost a decade after the crisis started have they realised their error.
Fortunately, the sums in Italy are quite small (Italians don't owe very much compared to...er... Brits for example). They just need the banks to raise a bit of equity and the government to create the obligatory bad bank. The issue is that doing what everyone else did in the past now breaches EU state aid rules. (Whoops.) So, the Italian government will likely have to stick two fingers up at the commission and do it anyway.
Which brings us to Deutsche Bank. It's fair to say that the Eurozone's only investment bank is also by far the most troubled bank in the whole block. No-one knows how big the issue is because they have literally trillions of market to model derivatives. (Of course real exposure will be less, but it could still be a number with a great many zeroes.)
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Documents/fsr/2016/fsrjul16sum.pdf0 -
Once again tonight shows that it is a mistake at the moment to even thinking about logging off and having an early night.0
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Q. Is your family important to you?Chris said:The complete opposite of what she said? What does that mean?
That she said it _wasn't_ sad for Theresa May that she couldn't have children? That she said that having children _didn't_ give her (Leadsom) a stake in the country's future?
A. Yes, having children gives you a stake in the country's future.
Q. Theresa May cannot have children. Does that mean she doesn't have a stake in the country's future?
A. No, that must be very sad for her. But she has nieces and nephews lots of people, that connect her to the next generation.
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Given the hoo-haa I think we'll see a transcript, or get an audio recording.
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https://twitter.com/andrealeadsom/status/751531686987501570
Two days in and it's already turned into a cat fight about children. The mistake was giving them the vote... 0 -
Why did Boris have to stand aside?
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When I think of how wonderful it is to have children, I feel nothing but compassion for those who can not.chestnut said:
I am not sure what I would think of someone who didn't think their children were the most precious thing alive.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just horrible comments unworthy of youchestnut said:
She will win. I thought May would, but not now.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She maybe forced to by public revulsionanotherDave said:
I'd be amazed if she withdrew. It's a lot easier to just ignore the newspapers and the telly.JohnO said:Albeit still unlikely, if Leadsom were to now withdraw , presumably May would be elected leader unopposed?
She is hitting that spot that people with children know. There is no comparable love. Not parents, not siblings, not spouses.
Leadsom's comments are shameful0 -
Yes, looks like it.PlatoSaid said:Well I'm going to be a bit controversial and say I feel sorry for Crabb.
It's just muck raking.0 -
lolblackburn63 said:If these are the best the conservatives have what must the rest be like?
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I thought that in 2003, only Howard was nominated at all; Davis (and everyone else) stood back before the vote rather than part way through.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was doing some research on it this week, and that's what happened in 2003david_herdson said:
Though precedent would suggest so. In 1990, there should have been a third round according to the rules but it was cancelled after Hurd and Heseltine withdrew.TheScreamingEagles said:
Would be up to the party board.JohnO said:Albeit still unlikely, if Leadsom were to now withdraw , presumably May would be elected leader unopposed?
I should have mentioned that 1965 was also like 1990: Heath didn't win by enough to take the leadership on the first round but Maudling and Powell withdrew so no second round was held.0 -
I ignore most of the Times Brexit coverage, it's still in campaign mode. It's getting tedious.HYUFD said:
Leadsom could clearly have thought before she spoke but that quote by a May backer suggests the pro Remain Times may clearly have had an agenda too to spin the story in an anti Leadsom directionRichard_Nabavi said:BTW, there's a brilliantly funny quote at the end of that Times front page:
One MP backing Mrs May said last night: "I think these comments are disgusting. I think it's going to insult a lot of Conservative activists as well as a lot of nice, decent people".0 -
She is establishment, even if the press is against her. It was on the same side as her not two weeks ago, if their opprobrium now means they are establishment then she was establishment then.Stark_Dawning said:The Times had better not be guilty of any selective quoting. Otherwise it will be a huge publicity win for Leadsom - cementing her position as the candidate the establishment fears.
TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Because he knows Brexit is going to be a disaster, he only campaigned for Leave to do well Tory members.Sunil_Prasannan said:Why did Boris have to stand aside?
*bewildered*
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19% Tier 1 capital ratio.rcs1000 said:
While I don't want to go over old ground again, there are two types of countries in Europe: those that sorted out their banking systems, and those that didn't.MaxPB said:I wouldn't be so sure about Deutsche.
Take Spain: it forced 48 regional savings banks - the Caixa - to close, the banks to recognise EUR400bn of bad debts, to raise more than EUR120bn of new equity and created a bad bank to hold toxic assets. Result: Spain's banking sector is one of the best capitalised in Europe, despite having had one of the worst pre-crisis economies.
Take Italy: it didn't have much debt compared to its neighbours so it thought it didn't need to sort things out. (And it would have been politically unpopular to inquire too much into the actions of the Populare, the equivalent of Spain's Caixa.) Result: the banks are unable to lend, dragging the domestic economy down. Only now, almost a decade after the crisis started have they realised their error.
Fortunately, the sums in Italy are quite small (Italians don't owe very much compared to...er... Brits for example). They just need the banks to raise a bit of equity and the government to create the obligatory bad bank. The issue is that doing what everyone else did in the past now breaches EU state aid rules. (Whoops.) So, the Italian government will likely have to stick two fingers up at the commission and do it anyway.
Which brings us to Deutsche Bank. It's fair to say that the Eurozone's only investment bank is also by far the most troubled bank in the whole block. No-one knows how big the issue is because they have literally trillions of market to model derivatives. (Of course real exposure will be less, but it could still be a number with a great many zeroes.)
That is all. Thank you.0 -
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Theresa May insisting she is no "remainer" in the Telegraph o_O !?
I'm sorry but I'm reasonably sure she was on the remain side of the argument during the campaign, however quietly...0 -
I think two weeks of solid political news is getting to the audience, and to the reporters. We are all expecting some big news 24/7 and are exhausted from reading and debating it.
I think I am going to take the weekend off and smell some flowers etc....and drink some beer.0 -
She has repudiated the Times piece.Charles said:
When I think of how wonderful it is to have children, I feel nothing but compassion for those who can not.chestnut said:
I am not sure what I would think of someone who didn't think their children were the most precious thing alive.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just horrible comments unworthy of youchestnut said:
She will win. I thought May would, but not now.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She maybe forced to by public revulsionanotherDave said:
I'd be amazed if she withdrew. It's a lot easier to just ignore the newspapers and the telly.JohnO said:Albeit still unlikely, if Leadsom were to now withdraw , presumably May would be elected leader unopposed?
She is hitting that spot that people with children know. There is no comparable love. Not parents, not siblings, not spouses.
Leadsom's comments are shameful
https://twitter.com/andrealeadsom/status/751531686987501570
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Her twitter description is... "MP for South Northamptonshire. Wife, Mother. Leave campaigner. If I can help, please email or see my website."
Does anyone know a way of checking if this is a recent change or precedes the contest?...0 -
Oh come on, I'm a great believer in live and let live but if you're trying to present yourself as the Prime Minister you can't be messaging women in that manner, his judgement is awful. And as somebody wearing his Christianity as a badge of honour he's an absolute hypocrite.PlatoSaid said:Well I'm going to be a bit controversial and say I feel sorry for Crabb.
It's just muck raking.
His "error" is worse than Leadsom's imo, I'd like to hear her side of the story before she gets hung out to dry.0 -
A statement from the Conservative Board said: "The Board has received overwhelming representations from the Party at large, and, in line with these representations, has decided not to initiate a formal postal ratification ballot.david_herdson said:
I thought that in 2003, only Howard was nominated at all; Davis (and everyone else) stood back before the vote rather than part way through.TheScreamingEagles said:
A statement from the Conservative Board said: "The Board has received overwhelming representations from the Party at large, and, in line with these representations, has decided not to initiate a formal postal ratification ballot.david_herdson said:
Though precedent would suggest so. In 1990, there should have been a third round according to the rules but it was cancelled after Hurd and Heseltine withdrew.TheScreamingEagles said:
Would be up to the party board.JohnO said:Albeit still unlikely, if Leadsom were to now withdraw , presumably May would be elected leader unopposed?
"There will be an informal consultation of party members over the weekend to give the voluntary party the opportunity to show, like the parliamentary party, that it is fully united behind the new Leader."
I was doing some research on it this week, and that's what happened in 2003
I should have mentioned that 1965 was also like 1990: Heath didn't win by enough to take the leadership on the first round but Maudling and Powell withdrew so no second round was held.
"There will be an informal consultation of party members over the weekend to give the voluntary party the opportunity to show, like the parliamentary party, that it is fully united behind the new Leader."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3245561.stm0 -
The voice of reason.Pauly said:twitter.com/andrealeadsom/status/751531686987501570
Two days in and it's already turned into a cat fight about children. The mistake was giving them the vote...
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Johnson OUT, Gove OUT, Leadsom, surely OUT
It's almost as if Remain won.0 -
Right - here's the real question - would Leadsom's attacks be valid if May had CHOSEN not to have children ?0
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You didn't get the memo. We're all Brexiteers now.Pulpstar said:Theresa May insisting she is no "remainer" in the Telegraph o_O !?
I'm sorry but I'm reasonably sure she was on the remain side of the argument during the campaign, however quietly...0 -
I see the paranoid string of Leavers are in full swing still - it doesn't matter who wanted Brexit before, we are getting Brexit now, and its about who can get the best deal. If that's Leadsome, fine, that's an opinion, but it's not a Remain vs Leave fight anymore.HYUFD said:
I presume Remainstream media also includes media which was, in fact, for Leave. Remarkable.0 -
I've joined Tim's army. Fighting the rearguard remainian action !Richard_Nabavi said:
You didn't get the memo. We're all Brexiteers now.Pulpstar said:Theresa May insisting she is no "remainer" in the Telegraph o_O !?
I'm sorry but I'm reasonably sure she was on the remain side of the argument during the campaign, however quietly...0 -
Are you a credible referee?MaxPB said:
YesanotherDave said:
Is the Bank of England a credible source?John_M said:
Financial Stability Report says they're fine.anotherDave said:
What about UK banks. How healthy are they?rcs1000 said:
While I don't want to go over old ground again, there are two types of countries in Europe: those that sorted out their banking systems, and those that didn't.MaxPB said:I wouldn't be so sure about Deutsche.
Take Spain: it forced 48 regional savings banks - the Caixa - to close, the banks to recognise EUR400bn of bad debts, to raise more than EUR120bn of new equity and created a bad bank to hold toxic assets. Result: Spain's banking sector is one of the best capitalised in Europe, despite having had one of the worst pre-crisis economies.
Take Italy: it didn't have much debt compared to its neighbours so it thought it didn't need to sort things out. (And it would have been politically unpopular to inquire too much into the actions of the Populare, the equivalent of Spain's Caixa.) Result: the banks are unable to lend, dragging the domestic economy down. Only now, almost a decade after the crisis started have they realised their error.
Fortunately, the sums in Italy are quite small (Italians don't owe very much compared to...er... Brits for example). They just need the banks to raise a bit of equity and the government to create the obligatory bad bank. The issue is that doing what everyone else did in the past now breaches EU state aid rules. (Whoops.) So, the Italian government will likely have to stick two fingers up at the commission and do it anyway.
Which brings us to Deutsche Bank. It's fair to say that the Eurozone's only investment bank is also by far the most troubled bank in the whole block. No-one knows how big the issue is because they have literally trillions of market to model derivatives. (Of course real exposure will be less, but it could still be a number with a great many zeroes.)
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Documents/fsr/2016/fsrjul16sum.pdf
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Only if The Times have an audio recording....JohnO said:Johnson OUT, Gove OUT, Leadsom, surely OUT
It's almost as if Remain won.0 -
Joy of children???Big_G_NorthWales said:
Of course my children and grand children are the most precious part of our lives but to try to score points over someone who has been unable to experience the joy of children through no fault of their own is unacceptable, crass, and unbecoming of anyone seeking the highest office in the landchestnut said:
I am not sure what I would think of someone who didn't think their children were the most precious thing alive.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just horrible comments unworthy of youchestnut said:
She will win. I thought May would, but not now.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She maybe forced to by public revulsionanotherDave said:
I'd be amazed if she withdrew. It's a lot easier to just ignore the newspapers and the telly.JohnO said:Albeit still unlikely, if Leadsom were to now withdraw , presumably May would be elected leader unopposed?
She is hitting that spot that people with children know. There is no comparable love. Not parents, not siblings, not spouses.
Clearly you've never had a child vomit into you face, mouth, eyes and nose when you're sleeping. I tell you, I didn't feel much joy opening my eyes and feeling them fill with a mixture stomach acid and semi-digested milk.0 -
Some of the crew may have been press ganged aboard the good ship SS Brexit. Sorry about that.Richard_Nabavi said:
You didn't get the memo. We're all Brexiteers now.Pulpstar said:Theresa May insisting she is no "remainer" in the Telegraph o_O !?
I'm sorry but I'm reasonably sure she was on the remain side of the argument during the campaign, however quietly...0 -
Tissue_Price said:
I'm away and commenting on a mobile is a right pain, but I had to sign in to say how utterly disgusted I am by Andrea Leadsom. I'm ashamed to be in the same party as her, and I hope she fucks off to UKIP after getting thrashed by TM.
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Leadsom denies making any such attack.Pulpstar said:Right - here's the real question - would Leadsom's attacks be valid if May had CHOSEN not to have children ?
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Let's be honest though, either candidate could be caught live saying the other was a stupid bitch and some people would be claiming it just shows the other side is scared, and how the remestablisment/trolls is out to get them and how the man/the idiots want you not to vote for the new messiah.0
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Yes. It's irrelevant here.Ishmael_X said:
Do you know the expression "non sequitur"?chestnut said:
I am not sure what I would think of someone who didn't think their children were the most precious thing alive.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just horrible comments unworthy of youchestnut said:
She will win. I thought May would, but not now.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She maybe forced to by public revulsionanotherDave said:
I'd be amazed if she withdrew. It's a lot easier to just ignore the newspapers and the telly.JohnO said:Albeit still unlikely, if Leadsom were to now withdraw , presumably May would be elected leader unopposed?
She is hitting that spot that people with children know. There is no comparable love. Not parents, not siblings, not spouses.
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The Times backed Remain. May will clearly win now, she was going to anyway even without this interview, take us into EFTA/EEA and probably do a free movement deal. Then the betrayal cries of the hardcore Leavers will arise and UKIP will aim to pick up where Leadsom left offkle4 said:
I see the paranoid string of Leavers are in full swing still - it doesn't matter who wanted Brexit before, we are getting Brexit now, and its about who can get the best deal. If that's Leadsome, fine, that's an opinion, but it's not a Remain vs Leave fight anymore.HYUFD said:
I presume Remainstream media also includes media which was, in fact, for Leave. Remarkable.0 -
Surely any decent journalist worth their salt would have a recording of such powerful and potentially explosive words ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Only if The Times have an audio recording....JohnO said:Johnson OUT, Gove OUT, Leadsom, surely OUT
It's almost as if Remain won.0 -
As of now I don't believe her. But if she provides evidence to the contrary I will? If course, review my opinionanotherDave said:
She has repudiated the Times piece.Charles said:
When I think of how wonderful it is to have children, I feel nothing but compassion for those who can not.chestnut said:
I am not sure what I would think of someone who didn't think their children were the most precious thing alive.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just horrible comments unworthy of youchestnut said:
She will win. I thought May would, but not now.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She maybe forced to by public revulsionanotherDave said:
I'd be amazed if she withdrew. It's a lot easier to just ignore the newspapers and the telly.JohnO said:Albeit still unlikely, if Leadsom were to now withdraw , presumably May would be elected leader unopposed?
She is hitting that spot that people with children know. There is no comparable love. Not parents, not siblings, not spouses.
Leadsom's comments are shameful
https://twitter.com/andrealeadsom/status/751531686987501570
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I'm really not that bothered. He's no longer a candidate, he hasn't done more than stupid flirting. I take a dim view of the woman for leaking it. Trying to hurt his marriage for what purpose?blackburn63 said:
Oh come on, I'm a great believer in live and let live but if you're trying to present yourself as the Prime Minister you can't be messaging women in that manner, his judgement is awful. And as somebody wearing his Christianity as a badge of honour he's an absolute hypocrite.PlatoSaid said:Well I'm going to be a bit controversial and say I feel sorry for Crabb.
It's just muck raking.
His "error" is worse than Leadsom's imo, I'd like to hear her side of the story before she gets hung out to dry.
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http://www.wsj.com/articles/leadsoms-resume-controversy-overblown-her-former-supervisor-says-1468000457
Leadsom’s Résumé Controversy Overblown, Her Former Supervisor Says
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Are you sure 'army' is quite the right word?Pulpstar said:
I've joined Tim's army. Fighting the rearguard remainian action !Richard_Nabavi said:
You didn't get the memo. We're all Brexiteers now.Pulpstar said:Theresa May insisting she is no "remainer" in the Telegraph o_O !?
I'm sorry but I'm reasonably sure she was on the remain side of the argument during the campaign, however quietly...0 -
@LordAshcroft: Some people open their mouths to change feet...0
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...I know, I know, we mustn't gloat. At least not quite yet.TheScreamingEagles said:
Only if The Times have an audio recording....JohnO said:Johnson OUT, Gove OUT, Leadsom, surely OUT
It's almost as if Remain won.0 -
Yes, looking back I think Boris could have still gone for it. Gove's reputation has taken such a pounding that his critique of Boris could now be dismissed as the scurrilous barbs of a nasty schemer.Sunil_Prasannan said:Why did Boris have to stand aside?
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Leave is Leave. We shall not rejoin the EU in the foreseeable future.John_M said:
We are all Leavers now. Don't tell Alastair.Pulpstar said:Theresa May insisting she is no "remainer" in the Telegraph o_O !?
I'm sorry but I'm reasonably sure she was on the remain side of the argument during the campaign, however quietly...0 -
LEAVE 52% (including yours truly!)JohnO said:Johnson OUT, Gove OUT, Leadsom, surely OUT
It's almost as if Remain won.
REMAIN 48%
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I loved my kids from ages 2.1 to 13.9 and from 17 years onwards. I'd have traded them for a small bag of glacier mints during the interregnumsrcs1000 said:
Joy of children???Big_G_NorthWales said:
Of course my children and grand children are the most precious part of our lives but to try to score points over someone who has been unable to experience the joy of children through no fault of their own is unacceptable, crass, and unbecoming of anyone seeking the highest office in the landchestnut said:
I am not sure what I would think of someone who didn't think their children were the most precious thing alive.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just horrible comments unworthy of youchestnut said:
She will win. I thought May would, but not now.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She maybe forced to by public revulsionanotherDave said:
I'd be amazed if she withdrew. It's a lot easier to just ignore the newspapers and the telly.JohnO said:Albeit still unlikely, if Leadsom were to now withdraw , presumably May would be elected leader unopposed?
She is hitting that spot that people with children know. There is no comparable love. Not parents, not siblings, not spouses.
Clearly you've never had a child vomit into you face, mouth, eyes and nose when you're sleeping. I tell you, I didn't feel much joy opening my eyes and feeling them fill with a mixture stomach acid and semi-digested milk.. 0 -
We're not talking Deutsche, are we?Charles said:
19% Tier 1 capital ratio.rcs1000 said:
While I don't want to go over old ground again, there are two types of countries in Europe: those that sorted out their banking systems, and those that didn't.MaxPB said:I wouldn't be so sure about Deutsche.
Take Spain: it forced 48 regional savings banks - the Caixa - to close, the banks to recognise EUR400bn of bad debts, to raise more than EUR120bn of new equity and created a bad bank to hold toxic assets. Result: Spain's banking sector is one of the best capitalised in Europe, despite having had one of the worst pre-crisis economies.
Take Italy: it didn't have much debt compared to its neighbours so it thought it didn't need to sort things out. (And it would have been politically unpopular to inquire too much into the actions of the Populare, the equivalent of Spain's Caixa.) Result: the banks are unable to lend, dragging the domestic economy down. Only now, almost a decade after the crisis started have they realised their error.
Fortunately, the sums in Italy are quite small (Italians don't owe very much compared to...er... Brits for example). They just need the banks to raise a bit of equity and the government to create the obligatory bad bank. The issue is that doing what everyone else did in the past now breaches EU state aid rules. (Whoops.) So, the Italian government will likely have to stick two fingers up at the commission and do it anyway.
Which brings us to Deutsche Bank. It's fair to say that the Eurozone's only investment bank is also by far the most troubled bank in the whole block. No-one knows how big the issue is because they have literally trillions of market to model derivatives. (Of course real exposure will be less, but it could still be a number with a great many zeroes.)
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I think whichever of the two gets the job they will as Churchill said of Anthony Eden - 'be found out by the greatness of their office'.0
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Leadsom's odds haven't taken that much of a hit - her last traded price on Betfair was 5, though the range has come in to 4.7-4.9 since then.0
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She doesn't have a transcript herself, which Harry Cole finds odd, as all other leadership campaigns have a press officer sitting in on interviews, recording them for such a happenstance.Charles said:
As of now I don't believe her. But if she provides evidence to the contrary I will? If course, review my opinionanotherDave said:
She has repudiated the Times piece.Charles said:
When I think of how wonderful it is to have children, I feel nothing but compassion for those who can not.chestnut said:
I am not sure what I would think of someone who didn't think their children were the most precious thing alive.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just horrible comments unworthy of youchestnut said:
She will win. I thought May would, but not now.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She maybe forced to by public revulsionanotherDave said:
I'd be amazed if she withdrew. It's a lot easier to just ignore the newspapers and the telly.JohnO said:Albeit still unlikely, if Leadsom were to now withdraw , presumably May would be elected leader unopposed?
She is hitting that spot that people with children know. There is no comparable love. Not parents, not siblings, not spouses.
Leadsom's comments are shameful
https://twitter.com/andrealeadsom/status/751531686987501570
Andrea Leadsom truly is an amateur, and we want her to lead our Brexit negotiations?0 -
Has she already forgotten what she said?Pauly said:https://twitter.com/andrealeadsom/status/751535316788477952
I just bought shares in popcorn...
BTW - no value in popcorn shares.. they've surely peaked???0 -
There are no people in this Tory contest who were advocating post referendum that we should Remain. The choice now is between what types of leave each candidate will seek to deliver, who has the best chance of delivering that vision, and also who would be better at the other aspects of government they will need to deal with. Could be May, could be Leadsome, but it's not an untruth to acknowledge Brexit is Brexit even if one was Remain before - even in the fevered dreams of some hoping for Brexit being overturned, whoever is Tory leader after Cameron could never attempt it.Pulpstar said:Theresa May insisting she is no "remainer" in the Telegraph o_O !?
I'm sorry but I'm reasonably sure she was on the remain side of the argument during the campaign, however quietly...0 -
If this true, her support will go up 5 points. Plus Tebbit's support.Pauly said:https://twitter.com/andrealeadsom/status/751535316788477952
I just bought shares in popcorn...0 -
Very unlikely in this day and age that there wont be audio. Indeed it would be astonishing.TheScreamingEagles said:
Only if The Times have an audio recording....JohnO said:Johnson OUT, Gove OUT, Leadsom, surely OUT
It's almost as if Remain won.0 -
Is there an option to trade her away?TheScreamingEagles said:
She doesn't have a transcript herself, which Harry Cole finds odd, as all other leadership campaigns have a press officer sitting in on interviews, recording them for such a happenstance.Charles said:
As of now I don't believe her. But if she provides evidence to the contrary I will? If course, review my opinionanotherDave said:
She has repudiated the Times piece.Charles said:
When I think of how wonderful it is to have children, I feel nothing but compassion for those who can not.chestnut said:
I am not sure what I would think of someone who didn't think their children were the most precious thing alive.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just horrible comments unworthy of youchestnut said:
She will win. I thought May would, but not now.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She maybe forced to by public revulsionanotherDave said:
I'd be amazed if she withdrew. It's a lot easier to just ignore the newspapers and the telly.JohnO said:Albeit still unlikely, if Leadsom were to now withdraw , presumably May would be elected leader unopposed?
She is hitting that spot that people with children know. There is no comparable love. Not parents, not siblings, not spouses.
Leadsom's comments are shameful
https://twitter.com/andrealeadsom/status/751531686987501570
Andrea Leadsom truly is an amateur, and we want her to lead our Brexit negotiations?
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Fair point, who knows what happened but he must be a complete fool to put himself in that situation. I suspect the spare bedroom will be busy for a while.PlatoSaid said:
I'm really not that bothered. He's no longer a candidate, he hasn't done more than stupid flirting. I take a dim view of the woman for leaking it. Trying to hurt his marriage for what purpose?blackburn63 said:
Oh come on, I'm a great believer in live and let live but if you're trying to present yourself as the Prime Minister you can't be messaging women in that manner, his judgement is awful. And as somebody wearing his Christianity as a badge of honour he's an absolute hypocrite.PlatoSaid said:Well I'm going to be a bit controversial and say I feel sorry for Crabb.
It's just muck raking.
His "error" is worse than Leadsom's imo, I'd like to hear her side of the story before she gets hung out to dry.0 -
For some traditionalist Tories certainly, for them the family is pivotal but I think a majority would not care, certainly in today's world and especially because May had such a busy and high powered career it would have been difficult to juggle a family tooPulpstar said:Right - here's the real question - would Leadsom's attacks be valid if May had CHOSEN not to have children ?
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Agreed 100%. She said some foolish things - in all likelihood - without realising how they'd be interpreted.blackburn63 said:
Oh come on, I'm a great believer in live and let live but if you're trying to present yourself as the Prime Minister you can't be messaging women in that manner, his judgement is awful. And as somebody wearing his Christianity as a badge of honour he's an absolute hypocrite.PlatoSaid said:Well I'm going to be a bit controversial and say I feel sorry for Crabb.
It's just muck raking.
His "error" is worse than Leadsom's imo, I'd like to hear her side of the story before she gets hung out to dry.
He... ummm... propositioned someone over WhatsApp weeks before running for the leadership.
Classy.0 -
@williamglenn
'://www.wsj.com/articles/leadsoms-resume-controversy-overblown-her-former-supervisor-says-1468000457
Leadsom’s Résumé Controversy Overblown, Her Former Supervisor Says
‘I would never, ever doubt her honesty,” Invesco executive says of PM candidate '
Oh dear, not what the frothers wanted to hear,they will now try to trash the reputation of her supervisor.
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Surely it's not far removed from the suspect who moves from "I didn't do it" to "You can't prove I did it"corporeal said:
Is there an option to trade her away?TheScreamingEagles said:
She doesn't have a transcript herself, which Harry Cole finds odd, as all other leadership campaigns have a press officer sitting in on interviews, recording them for such a happenstance.Charles said:
As of now I don't believe her. But if she provides evidence to the contrary I will? If course, review my opinionanotherDave said:
She has repudiated the Times piece.Charles said:
When I think of how wonderful it is to have children, I feel nothing but compassion for those who can not.chestnut said:
I am not sure what I would think of someone who didn't think their children were the most precious thing alive.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just horrible comments unworthy of youchestnut said:
She will win. I thought May would, but not now.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She maybe forced to by public revulsionanotherDave said:
I'd be amazed if she withdrew. It's a lot easier to just ignore the newspapers and the telly.JohnO said:Albeit still unlikely, if Leadsom were to now withdraw , presumably May would be elected leader unopposed?
She is hitting that spot that people with children know. There is no comparable love. Not parents, not siblings, not spouses.
Leadsom's comments are shameful
https://twitter.com/andrealeadsom/status/751531686987501570
Andrea Leadsom truly is an amateur, and we want her to lead our Brexit negotiations?0 -
Wayback suggests it was there as far back as 2014.Pauly said:Her twitter description is... "MP for South Northamptonshire. Wife, Mother. Leave campaigner. If I can help, please email or see my website."
Does anyone know a way of checking if this is a recent change or precedes the contest?...0 -
I'm quite happy to do a trade with UKIP, Leadsom for Carswellcorporeal said:
Is there an option to trade her away?TheScreamingEagles said:
She doesn't have a transcript herself, which Harry Cole finds odd, as all other leadership campaigns have a press officer sitting in on interviews, recording them for such a happenstance.Charles said:
As of now I don't believe her. But if she provides evidence to the contrary I will? If course, review my opinionanotherDave said:
She has repudiated the Times piece.Charles said:
When I think of how wonderful it is to have children, I feel nothing but compassion for those who can not.chestnut said:
I am not sure what I would think of someone who didn't think their children were the most precious thing alive.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just horrible comments unworthy of youchestnut said:
She will win. I thought May would, but not now.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She maybe forced to by public revulsionanotherDave said:
I'd be amazed if she withdrew. It's a lot easier to just ignore the newspapers and the telly.JohnO said:Albeit still unlikely, if Leadsom were to now withdraw , presumably May would be elected leader unopposed?
She is hitting that spot that people with children know. There is no comparable love. Not parents, not siblings, not spouses.
Leadsom's comments are shameful
https://twitter.com/andrealeadsom/status/751531686987501570
Andrea Leadsom truly is an amateur, and we want her to lead our Brexit negotiations?0 -
Don;t want to worry the May fans on here,what if the Time's has got it wrong ;-)
Buy leadsom ;-)
Just let it end FFS.0 -
Well I think this little storm is likely to lead the news tomorrow, so we should have interview with Ms Leadsom, and the Times journo responsible. Hopefully a recording too.Charles said:
As of now I don't believe her. But if she provides evidence to the contrary I will? If course, review my opinionanotherDave said:
She has repudiated the Times piece.Charles said:
When I think of how wonderful it is to have children, I feel nothing but compassion for those who can not.chestnut said:
I am not sure what I would think of someone who didn't think their children were the most precious thing alive.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just horrible comments unworthy of youchestnut said:
She will win. I thought May would, but not now.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She maybe forced to by public revulsionanotherDave said:
I'd be amazed if she withdrew. It's a lot easier to just ignore the newspapers and the telly.JohnO said:Albeit still unlikely, if Leadsom were to now withdraw , presumably May would be elected leader unopposed?
She is hitting that spot that people with children know. There is no comparable love. Not parents, not siblings, not spouses.
Leadsom's comments are shameful
https://twitter.com/andrealeadsom/status/751531686987501570
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You could still get about 3-1 for Brexit at 3am on 24th June.david_herdson said:Leadsom's odds haven't taken that much of a hit - her last traded price on Betfair was 5, though the range has come in to 4.7-4.9 since then.
I think betting odds as a forecast for election results are slightly less reliable than reading tealeaves at the bottom of your cup0
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