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One has to try to unpick what people are *really* worried about.John_M said:
I'm not omniscient, so of course I could be wrong. But I'm always interested in unpicking what people are worrying about. Pick a number. Worst case, how much smaller do you think the economy might be in, say, 3 years? Ignoring all the experts, what's your thought? In percent?OldKingCole said:
Hope you’re right. Trouble is the b*stards like Cameron and Osborne who got us into this mess will come out smelling of roses.John_M said:
Pfft. Let's keep some perspective. One of the wealthiest, most respected countries in the world might become a little bit less wealthy. The End.OldKingCole said:If I hadn’t been depressed about the country’s future before this thread .......
Things have rarely looked so bad. In peacetime anyway.
Hardly the stuff of Greek tragedy.
IT’s tas the old song says “It’s the rich wot makes the trouble/It’s the poor wot gets the blame"
At heart, I think it's the fact that we aren't moving to world without Borders.0 -
You are confusing "unpleasant characters" with "people you don't like".OldKingCole said:
It’s not just the economy. It’s the political situation. I fear we’re going to have some rather unpleasant characters at the top of politics over the next few years.John_M said:
I'm not omniscient, so of course I could be wrong. But I'm always interested in unpicking what people are worrying about. Pick a number. Worst case, how much smaller do you think the economy might be in, say, 3 years? Ignoring all the experts, what's your thought? In percent?OldKingCole said:
Hope you’re right. Trouble is the b*stards like Cameron and Osborne who got us into this mess will come out smelling of roses.John_M said:
Pfft. Let's keep some perspective. One of the wealthiest, most respected countries in the world might become a little bit less wealthy. The End.OldKingCole said:If I hadn’t been depressed about the country’s future before this thread .......
Things have rarely looked so bad. In peacetime anyway.
Hardly the stuff of Greek tragedy.
IT’s tas the old song says “It’s the rich wot makes the trouble/It’s the poor wot gets the blame"0 -
No, it’s the intolerance which seems to be creeping in.GeoffM said:
You are confusing "unpleasant characters" with "people you don't like".OldKingCole said:
It’s not just the economy. It’s the political situation. I fear we’re going to have some rather unpleasant characters at the top of politics over the next few years.John_M said:
I'm not omniscient, so of course I could be wrong. But I'm always interested in unpicking what people are worrying about. Pick a number. Worst case, how much smaller do you think the economy might be in, say, 3 years? Ignoring all the experts, what's your thought? In percent?OldKingCole said:
Hope you’re right. Trouble is the b*stards like Cameron and Osborne who got us into this mess will come out smelling of roses.John_M said:
Pfft. Let's keep some perspective. One of the wealthiest, most respected countries in the world might become a little bit less wealthy. The End.OldKingCole said:If I hadn’t been depressed about the country’s future before this thread .......
Things have rarely looked so bad. In peacetime anyway.
Hardly the stuff of Greek tragedy.
IT’s tas the old song says “It’s the rich wot makes the trouble/It’s the poor wot gets the blame"0 -
I think I can fairly say that my levels of intolerance haven't changed much over the years.OldKingCole said:
No, it’s the intolerance which seems to be creeping in.GeoffM said:
You are confusing "unpleasant characters" with "people you don't like".OldKingCole said:
It’s not just the economy. It’s the political situation. I fear we’re going to have some rather unpleasant characters at the top of politics over the next few years.John_M said:
I'm not omniscient, so of course I could be wrong. But I'm always interested in unpicking what people are worrying about. Pick a number. Worst case, how much smaller do you think the economy might be in, say, 3 years? Ignoring all the experts, what's your thought? In percent?OldKingCole said:
Hope you’re right. Trouble is the b*stards like Cameron and Osborne who got us into this mess will come out smelling of roses.John_M said:
Pfft. Let's keep some perspective. One of the wealthiest, most respected countries in the world might become a little bit less wealthy. The End.OldKingCole said:If I hadn’t been depressed about the country’s future before this thread .......
Things have rarely looked so bad. In peacetime anyway.
Hardly the stuff of Greek tragedy.
IT’s tas the old song says “It’s the rich wot makes the trouble/It’s the poor wot gets the blame"0 -
It's even less significant than that. For the most part, they are talking about slowing down of the growth of GDP, rather than recession. People don't normally fear losing what they don't yet have, so something else is at play to produce all these Chicken Littles.Sean_F said:
That's what's so odd. People talk about modest changes in GDP as if they amounted to some form of calamity.John_M said:
Pfft. Let's keep some perspective. One of the wealthiest, most respected countries in the world might become a little bit less wealthy. The End.OldKingCole said:If I hadn’t been depressed about the country’s future before this thread .......
Things have rarely looked so bad. In peacetime anyway.
Hardly the stuff of Greek tragedy.0 -
Grammasci carries a lot of the intellecuual blame for the current situation. His followers have done immense damage to the social fabric of society by categorising people as oppressors or oppressed depending on one aspect of a person such as their race when in fact we are all individuals not herds of people that all think the same way because of our colour or class.AlastairMeeks said:I have to say that the hacks are losing their touch. I haven't once seen the Gramsci quote trotted out:
"The crisis consists precisely in the fact that the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear."0 -
I'm not going to say "crisis what crisis".SeanT said:Weirdly, in London, tonight, on a blithe sunny evening full of happy young people, there is absolutely no sense of ANYTHING happening, let alone an epochal crisis.
Primrose Hill was full of chi-chi picnickers, Camden is full of sexy student boozers. Foreigners abound, without being beaten to a pulp
I can't work out whether this is some kind of Phoney War period, when we await our inevitable doom, and the hell of a ten year Depression - or the whole thing has been overdone. We will stay in the single market. Prosperity will continue. We'll get back some sovereignty. But not enough. But it will do.
Hm.
But I've never predicted an economic crisis over Brexit, and I don't see one occuring.0 -
Yep. Just avoid the local liberal club where they are all hyperventilating into their ethically sourced beer in terror and as they sit wailing in their sustainable wickerwork chairs.Speedy said:
I'm not going to say "crisis what crisis".SeanT said:Weirdly, in London, tonight, on a blithe sunny evening full of happy young people, there is absolutely no sense of ANYTHING happening, let alone an epochal crisis.
Primrose Hill was full of chi-chi picnickers, Camden is full of sexy student boozers. Foreigners abound, without being beaten to a pulp
I can't work out whether this is some kind of Phoney War period, when we await our inevitable doom, and the hell of a ten year Depression - or the whole thing has been overdone. We will stay in the single market. Prosperity will continue. We'll get back some sovereignty. But not enough. But it will do.
Hm.
But I've never predicted an economic crisis over Brexit, and I don't see one occuring.0 -
I think it is more London, it will still be effectively 'the capital' of Europe (not Brussels) and a global city whatever happens and of course it voted Remain. Ironically if the country suffers a significant recession it will be provincial industrial and market towns which are hit hardest ie the areas which tended to vote LeaveSeanT said:Weirdly, in London, tonight, on a blithe sunny evening full of happy young people, there is absolutely no sense of ANYTHING happening, let alone an epochal crisis.
Primrose Hill was full of chi-chi picnickers, Camden is full of sexy student boozers. Foreigners abound, without being beaten to a pulp
I can't work out whether this is some kind of Phoney War period, when we await our inevitable doom, and the hell of a ten year Depression - or the whole thing has been overdone. We will stay in the single market. Prosperity will continue. We'll get back some sovereignty. But not enough. But it will do.
Hm.0 -
Thanks for posting that.HurstLlama said:
Mr. Pong, I think you maybe concentrating too much on money and looking at too short a timescale. Have a look at one nation conservatism a la Disraeli. That wasn't a sort of Labour-lite as we understand to today, but the forging of interests between the newly enfranchised "oiks" and those that had the dosh already.Pong said:
The way I see it is;HurstLlama said:
No, Dr. Sox, it is a thought, a question if you like, about what would happen if a party gave up on identity politics and tried to get elected and then govern for the benefit of all rather than just their self-perceived client groups.foxinsoxuk said:
Isn't that just Identity politics dressed in a Union Jack?HurstLlama said:
Quite. Mr Thrak, my point is what would happen if a party set out to, throw off the this identity politics rubbish that has so polluted our own political discourse (and was inherited from the USA) and went to work on the things that united the Welsh Valleys, the inner cities the rural shires, the ABC1s and the C2DEs?Thrak said:
My biggest fear is that parties coalesce around the sort of differences that the referendum showed. It doesn't do America any favours and to divide society in that way would cause many problems down the line, I feel.
I reckon that party would clean up.
The ABC1 kipper-leaning tories and the WWC C2DE kipper-leaning labourites are both fighting for the bit of the pie that they believe the foreigners are currently getting. After 4 years of a May/Leadsome government sharing the spoils of the brexit bonanza - the elderly ABC1 tory/kipper client vote will get most of this extra share of the pie - at the expense of everyone else.
That in itself will cause resentment in the WWC C2DE kipper-leaning labourites, but the big problem is when (as likely) the pie itself shrinks over that time - relative to what it would have been if we'd stayed in the EU - and relative to peoples expectations of the pie continuing to expand.
That's the tension which will undermine the kipper/leave electoral coalition going forward.
If you are interested in this set of ideas then you might like to listen to David Starkey in 2011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj3Mtq6BlA8
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I've seen a lot of intolerance lately, I agree.OldKingCole said:
No, it’s the intolerance which seems to be creeping in.GeoffM said:
You are confusing "unpleasant characters" with "people you don't like".OldKingCole said:
It’s not just the economy. It’s the political situation. I fear we’re going to have some rather unpleasant characters at the top of politics over the next few years.John_M said:
I'm not omniscient, so of course I could be wrong. But I'm always interested in unpicking what people are worrying about. Pick a number. Worst case, how much smaller do you think the economy might be in, say, 3 years? Ignoring all the experts, what's your thought? In percent?OldKingCole said:
Hope you’re right. Trouble is the b*stards like Cameron and Osborne who got us into this mess will come out smelling of roses.John_M said:
Pfft. Let's keep some perspective. One of the wealthiest, most respected countries in the world might become a little bit less wealthy. The End.OldKingCole said:If I hadn’t been depressed about the country’s future before this thread .......
Things have rarely looked so bad. In peacetime anyway.
Hardly the stuff of Greek tragedy.
IT’s tas the old song says “It’s the rich wot makes the trouble/It’s the poor wot gets the blame"
It's primarily coming from those who can't comprehend how the nation is stupid and/or racist enough to vote leave and refuses to tolerate that there could be sane and positive reasons we did so.0 -
You, sir, are a jammy git!SeanT said:
Half a bottle of Oddero Barolo, 2011, and one very large Plymouth gin and Fevertree tonic.RobD said:
Admit it, you've had a little drinkSeanT said:It's a fucking beautiful evening here in London. One of those perfect, dulcet summer twilights, which goes on for ever.......
We will survive.
My mood may be elevated by the news that today I abruptly made $50,000, on an unexpected US deal (which is of course worth $7,500 more than it was three weeks ago, heh).
But it ain't just that. I don't detect GLOOM. It doesn't feel like impending recession, let alone impending Depression. But I am in a London bubble, perhaps.....
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Creeping in where, Mr. Cole? Have you actually noticed any more intolerance or is your opinion formed from what you are reading?OldKingCole said:
No, it’s the intolerance which seems to be creeping in.GeoffM said:
You are confusing "unpleasant characters" with "people you don't like".OldKingCole said:
It’s not just the economy. It’s the political situation. I fear we’re going to have some rather unpleasant characters at the top of politics over the next few years.John_M said:
I'm not omniscient, so of course I could be wrong. But I'm always interested in unpicking what people are worrying about. Pick a number. Worst case, how much smaller do you think the economy might be in, say, 3 years? Ignoring all the experts, what's your thought? In percent?OldKingCole said:
Hope you’re right. Trouble is the b*stards like Cameron and Osborne who got us into this mess will come out smelling of roses.John_M said:
Pfft. Let's keep some perspective. One of the wealthiest, most respected countries in the world might become a little bit less wealthy. The End.OldKingCole said:If I hadn’t been depressed about the country’s future before this thread .......
Things have rarely looked so bad. In peacetime anyway.
Hardly the stuff of Greek tragedy.
IT’s tas the old song says “It’s the rich wot makes the trouble/It’s the poor wot gets the blame"
I confess the worst I have heard is from a taxi driver in Weymouth the weekend before last who expressed the view that he hoped the UK's fishing industry would pick up, "after we get our waters back".0 -
Some movement to McSally for Veep.
Now the shortest priced-woman, in to 25 from 300...0 -
The police quote an uptick of 42% in hate crimes (peaking on the 24/25th). So, some tosspots have used EUref as an excuse to vent their unlovely spleen. It's been predominately verbal, but it's still unpleasant.HurstLlama said:
Creeping in where, Mr. Cole? Have you actually noticed any more intolerance or is your opinion formed from what you are reading?OldKingCole said:
No, it’s the intolerance which seems to be creeping in.GeoffM said:
You are confusing "unpleasant characters" with "people you don't like".OldKingCole said:
It’s not just the economy. It’s the political situation. I fear we’re going to have some rather unpleasant characters at the top of politics over the next few years.John_M said:
I'm not omniscient, so of course I could be wrong. But I'm always interested in unpicking what people are worrying about. Pick a number. Worst case, how much smaller do you think the economy might be in, say, 3 years? Ignoring all the experts, what's your thought? In percent?OldKingCole said:
Hope you’re right. Trouble is the b*stards like Cameron and Osborne who got us into this mess will come out smelling of roses.John_M said:
Pfft. Let's keep some perspective. One of the wealthiest, most respected countries in the world might become a little bit less wealthy. The End.OldKingCole said:If I hadn’t been depressed about the country’s future before this thread .......
Things have rarely looked so bad. In peacetime anyway.
Hardly the stuff of Greek tragedy.
IT’s tas the old song says “It’s the rich wot makes the trouble/It’s the poor wot gets the blame"
I confess the worst I have heard is from a taxi driver in Weymouth the weekend before last who expressed the view that he hoped the UK's fishing industry would pick up, "after we get our waters back".0 -
Thanks for that info Plato, had been expecting to see a large membership bounce after EU Referendum result and Cameron standing down. But these returning/new members won't have a vote in this contest, and I suspect that will benefit Theresa May far more than Leadsom as a result.PlatoSaid said:
The news came as it emerged that the Tory party’s membership has swelled in size since David Cameron quit, with 10,000 new members joining in the four days after his resignation.TCPoliticalBetting said:"Steve Bell, the president of the Conservative Party’s National Convention which represents the party’s voluntary associations, said he was “expecting” Mrs Leadsom to win."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/08/mps-facing-a-wake-up-call-when-they-find-out-levels-of-support-f/0 -
Cos a lot of Londoners don't think we're leaving the EU. The rude awakening is yet to come.SeanT said:Weirdly, in London, tonight, on a blithe sunny evening full of happy young people, there is absolutely no sense of ANYTHING happening, let alone an epochal crisis.
Primrose Hill was full of chi-chi picnickers, Camden is full of sexy student boozers. Foreigners abound, without being beaten to a pulp
I can't work out whether this is some kind of Phoney War period, when we await our inevitable doom, and the hell of a ten year Depression - or the whole thing has been overdone. We will stay in the single market. Prosperity will continue. We'll get back some sovereignty. But not enough. But it will do.
Hm.0 -
European voters reject 'generous' post Brexit deal with UK. Britons believe they should be offered a generous deal by 53% to 29%, the Swedes are opposed 36% to 43%, the Finns 30% to 50%, the Germans 27% to 53% and the French 27% to 53%. Only the Danes and Norwegians favour generous terms for the UK by 51% to 33% and 43% to 30% reflecting their status outside the eurozone and EU. Most EU nations want a free trade deal only with free movement, in the UK by contrast 43% want a free trade deal even without free movement, 32% a free trade deal with free movement and 6% no free trade deal at all.
In most countries questioned a clear majority questioned thought that the UK leaving would be bad for the EU except in France where 35% thought it made no difference and the number thinking it would be good for the EU, 22%, was almost as many as the 28% who thought it would be bad.
Most countries concerned would voted to Remain in the EU by a clear margin in any referendum, though in France Remain led by a relatively narrow 44% to 33% margin. The Norwegians though would vote to stay out by 70% to 14%
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/rm136y08iq/Eurotrack_June_Results_WebsiteV1.pdf0 -
Try Rupert Murdoch.Fenman said:Anyone know how to organise a military coup?
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That is a completely meaningless statistic, Mr. M. I am surprised that you, of all people, should have used it.John_M said:
The police quote an uptick of 42% in hate crimes (peaking on the 24/25th). So, some tosspots have used EUref as an excuse to vent their unlovely spleen. It's been predominately verbal, but it's still unpleasant.HurstLlama said:
Creeping in where, Mr. Cole? Have you actually noticed any more intolerance or is your opinion formed from what you are reading?OldKingCole said:
No, it’s the intolerance which seems to be creeping in.GeoffM said:
You are confusing "unpleasant characters" with "people you don't like".OldKingCole said:
It’s not just the economy. It’s the political situation. I fear we’re going to have some rather unpleasant characters at the top of politics over the next few years.John_M said:
I'm not omniscient, so of course I could be wrong. But I'm always interested in unpicking what people are worrying about. Pick a number. Worst case, how much smaller do you think the economy might be in, say, 3 years? Ignoring all the experts, what's your thought? In percent?OldKingCole said:
Hope you’re right. Trouble is the b*stards like Cameron and Osborne who got us into this mess will come out smelling of roses.John_M said:
Pfft. Let's keep some perspective. One of the wealthiest, most respected countries in the world might become a little bit less wealthy. The End.OldKingCole said:If I hadn’t been depressed about the country’s future before this thread .......
Things have rarely looked so bad. In peacetime anyway.
Hardly the stuff of Greek tragedy.
IT’s tas the old song says “It’s the rich wot makes the trouble/It’s the poor wot gets the blame"
I confess the worst I have heard is from a taxi driver in Weymouth the weekend before last who expressed the view that he hoped the UK's fishing industry would pick up, "after we get our waters back".0 -
I like to acknowledge that life isn't all kittens and rainbows post Brexit. We mustn't be Panglossian. I'm sorry if I've offended your sensibilitiesHurstLlama said:
That is a completely meaningless statistic, Mr. M. I am surprised that you, of all people, should have used it.John_M said:
The police quote an uptick of 42% in hate crimes (peaking on the 24/25th). So, some tosspots have used EUref as an excuse to vent their unlovely spleen. It's been predominately verbal, but it's still unpleasant.HurstLlama said:
Creeping in where, Mr. Cole? Have you actually noticed any more intolerance or is your opinion formed from what you are reading?OldKingCole said:
No, it’s the intolerance which seems to be creeping in.GeoffM said:
You are confusing "unpleasant characters" with "people you don't like".OldKingCole said:
It’s not just the economy. It’s the political situation. I fear we’re going to have some rather unpleasant characters at the top of politics over the next few years.John_M said:
I'm not omniscient, so of course I could be wrong. But I'm always interested in unpicking what people are worrying about. Pick a number. Worst case, how much smaller do you think the economy might be in, say, 3 years? Ignoring all the experts, what's your thought? In percent?OldKingCole said:
Hope you’re right. Trouble is the b*stards like Cameron and Osborne who got us into this mess will come out smelling of roses.John_M said:
Pfft. Let's keep some perspective. One of the wealthiest, most respected countries in the world might become a little bit less wealthy. The End.OldKingCole said:If I hadn’t been depressed about the country’s future before this thread .......
Things have rarely looked so bad. In peacetime anyway.
Hardly the stuff of Greek tragedy.
IT’s tas the old song says “It’s the rich wot makes the trouble/It’s the poor wot gets the blame"
I confess the worst I have heard is from a taxi driver in Weymouth the weekend before last who expressed the view that he hoped the UK's fishing industry would pick up, "after we get our waters back".
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I suppose - thinking of Chilcott - it is unknowable like the threat posed by Saddam's weapons of mass destruction were unknowable or that the invasion was certain to lead to a better Iraq.SeanT said:
It's also entirely possible that outside the EU, and freed from some of its constraints, our GDP in time will be LARGER than it might have been inside the superstate.Sean_F said:
That's what's so odd. People talk about modest changes in GDP as if they amounted to some form of calamity.John_M said:
Pfft. Let's keep some perspective. One of the wealthiest, most respected countries in the world might become a little bit less wealthy. The End.OldKingCole said:If I hadn’t been depressed about the country’s future before this thread .......
Things have rarely looked so bad. In peacetime anyway.
Hardly the stuff of Greek tragedy.
No one can know. No one can possibly know. It is literally unknowable. It's like predicting the final premiership league table in the season of 2029 on the basis of present footballing trends.
Except we did know, once we challenged the assumptions behind those unknowable assertions.0 -
A favourite Rusian proverb comes to mind:SeanT said:Weirdly, in London, tonight, on a blithe sunny evening full of happy young people, there is absolutely no sense of ANYTHING happening, let alone an epochal crisis.
Primrose Hill was full of chi-chi picnickers, Camden is full of sexy student boozers. Foreigners abound, without being beaten to a pulp
I can't work out whether this is some kind of Phoney War period, when we await our inevitable doom, and the hell of a ten year Depression - or the whole thing has been overdone. We will stay in the single market. Prosperity will continue. We'll get back some sovereignty. But not enough. But it will do.
Hm.
"My house is burning down, I might as well warm my hands"
There is no point in being miserable, the turd is airborne, heading towards the fan, but enjoy the moments before it splatters!0 -
@suttonnick: Saturday's Times:
Being a mother gives me edge on May — Leadsom
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://t.co/w0ZW0b1jow0 -
Nah, his new lady has probably given him a blow job. A couple of days ago Mr. T was posting here that the sky was about to fall in and economic collapse was just around the corner.RobD said:
You, sir, are a jammy git!SeanT said:
Half a bottle of Oddero Barolo, 2011, and one very large Plymouth gin and Fevertree tonic.RobD said:
Admit it, you've had a little drinkSeanT said:It's a fucking beautiful evening here in London. One of those perfect, dulcet summer twilights, which goes on for ever.......
We will survive.
My mood may be elevated by the news that today I abruptly made $50,000, on an unexpected US deal (which is of course worth $7,500 more than it was three weeks ago, heh).
But it ain't just that. I don't detect GLOOM. It doesn't feel like impending recession, let alone impending Depression. But I am in a London bubble, perhaps.....
Mr T is a treasure of this site, but best not taken too seriously.0 -
Classy lady.Scott_P said:@suttonnick: Saturday's Times:
Being a mother gives me edge on May — Leadsom
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://t.co/w0ZW0b1jow0 -
Lets see how they feel later in the summer after Greece, Italy and Deutsch Banks travails come home to roostHYUFD said:European voters reject 'generous' post Brexit deal with UK. Britons believe they should be offered a generous deal by 53% to 29%, the Swedes are opposed 36% to 43%, the Finns 30% to 50%, the Germans 27% to 53% and the French 27% to 53%. Only the Danes and Norwegians favour generous terms for the UK by 51% to 33% and 43% to 30% reflecting their status outside the eurozone and EU. Most EU nations want a free trade deal only with free movement, in the UK by contrast 43% want a free trade deal even without free movement, 32% a free trade deal with free movement and 6% no free trade deal at all.
In most countries questioned a clear majority questioned thought that the UK leaving would be bad for the EU except in France where 35% thought it made no difference and the number thinking it would be good for the EU, 22%, was almost as many as the 28% who thought it would be bad.
Most countries concerned would voted to Remain in the EU by a clear margin in any referendum, though in France Remain led by a relatively narrow 44% to 33% margin. The Norwegians though would vote to stay out by 70% to 14%
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/rm136y08iq/Eurotrack_June_Results_WebsiteV1.pdf0 -
Thats just nasty - May was unable to have childrenJohn_M said:
Classy lady.Scott_P said:@suttonnick: Saturday's Times:
Being a mother gives me edge on May — Leadsom
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://t.co/w0ZW0b1jow0 -
@SamCoatesTimes: Tory MP backing Mrs May says Mrs Leadsom's comments were "disgusting"0
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A favourite saying to a Russianfoxinsoxuk said:
A favourite Rusian proverb comes to mind:SeanT said:Weirdly, in London, tonight, on a blithe sunny evening full of happy young people, there is absolutely no sense of ANYTHING happening, let alone an epochal crisis.
Primrose Hill was full of chi-chi picnickers, Camden is full of sexy student boozers. Foreigners abound, without being beaten to a pulp
I can't work out whether this is some kind of Phoney War period, when we await our inevitable doom, and the hell of a ten year Depression - or the whole thing has been overdone. We will stay in the single market. Prosperity will continue. We'll get back some sovereignty. But not enough. But it will do.
Hm.
"My house is burning down, I might as well warm my hands"
There is no point in being miserable, the turd is airborne, heading towards the fan, but enjoy the moments before it splatters!
'I will absolutely tell Mr Putin he has to abide by international law.'0 -
I think they are too.Scott_P said:@SamCoatesTimes: Tory MP backing Mrs May says Mrs Leadsom's comments were "disgusting"
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That is really nasty stuff.John_M said:
Classy lady.Scott_P said:@suttonnick: Saturday's Times:
Being a mother gives me edge on May — Leadsom
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://t.co/w0ZW0b1jow0 -
That is disgusting - my wife is absolutely furious and shows Leadsom has no class, judgement or sensitive to childless women. She is not fit to lead this Country with those commentsPaul_Bedfordshire said:
Thats just nasty - May was unable to have childrenJohn_M said:
Classy lady.Scott_P said:@suttonnick: Saturday's Times:
Being a mother gives me edge on May — Leadsom
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://t.co/w0ZW0b1jow0 -
It's appalling.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is disgusting - my wife is absolutely furious and shows Leadsom has no class, judgement or sensitive to childless women. She is not fit to lead this Country with those commentsPaul_Bedfordshire said:
Thats just nasty - May was unable to have childrenJohn_M said:
Classy lady.Scott_P said:@suttonnick: Saturday's Times:
Being a mother gives me edge on May — Leadsom
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://t.co/w0ZW0b1jow0 -
That's awful if true.0
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Interesting to see that the Times has dirt on another "family man".Scott_P said:@suttonnick: Saturday's Times:
Being a mother gives me edge on May — Leadsom
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://t.co/w0ZW0b1jow0 -
It wouldn't have been any less nasty even if it was a choice.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Thats just nasty - May was unable to have childrenJohn_M said:
Classy lady.Scott_P said:@suttonnick: Saturday's Times:
Being a mother gives me edge on May — Leadsom
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://t.co/w0ZW0b1jow0 -
I dont think you can really go much lower than belittling a barren woman's inability to have children even implicitly doing so.
I'm not easily shocked but I am a bit shocked at that0 -
I'm starting to dislike Leadsom as much as I disliked Gordon Brown.0
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Is that the effective end to her campaign? After two days? How can anyone be so ineffably stupid?Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is disgusting - my wife is absolutely furious and shows Leadsom has no class, judgement or sensitive to childless women. She is not fit to lead this Country with those commentsPaul_Bedfordshire said:
Thats just nasty - May was unable to have childrenJohn_M said:
Classy lady.Scott_P said:@suttonnick: Saturday's Times:
Being a mother gives me edge on May — Leadsom
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://t.co/w0ZW0b1jow0 -
Andrea Leadsom is lucky I'm not editing PB at the moment, she would be the subject of the most foul mouthed thread header in PB history0
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How do we know she was having a go at Theresa May? I can't believe she would be that insensitive.Razedabode said:
That is really nasty stuff.John_M said:
Classy lady.Scott_P said:@suttonnick: Saturday's Times:
Being a mother gives me edge on May — Leadsom
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://t.co/w0ZW0b1jow0 -
If she wins how long before 50 MPs march on Graham Brady and call a no confidence vote. Those words tonight have finished her off for me, and I was willing to give her a hearing.stjohn said:
It's appalling.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is disgusting - my wife is absolutely furious and shows Leadsom has no class, judgement or sensitive to childless women. She is not fit to lead this Country with those commentsPaul_Bedfordshire said:
Thats just nasty - May was unable to have childrenJohn_M said:
Classy lady.Scott_P said:@suttonnick: Saturday's Times:
Being a mother gives me edge on May — Leadsom
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://t.co/w0ZW0b1jow
Not any more - unfit for Office0 -
Because she mentions Theresa May by nameAndyJS said:
How do we know she was having a go at Theresa May? I can't believe she would be that insensitive.Razedabode said:
That is really nasty stuff.John_M said:
Classy lady.Scott_P said:@suttonnick: Saturday's Times:
Being a mother gives me edge on May — Leadsom
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://t.co/w0ZW0b1jow0 -
The subheadline says she will be a better leader because she has a stake in the future. Awful and disgusting.AndyJS said:
How do we know she was having a go at Theresa May? I can't believe she would be that insensitive.Razedabode said:
That is really nasty stuff.John_M said:
Classy lady.Scott_P said:@suttonnick: Saturday's Times:
Being a mother gives me edge on May — Leadsom
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://t.co/w0ZW0b1jow0 -
We need a transcript. The interview has obviously been written up to pain Leadsom in a negative light.TheScreamingEagles said:
Because she mentions Theresa May by nameAndyJS said:
How do we know she was having a go at Theresa May? I can't believe she would be that insensitive.Razedabode said:
That is really nasty stuff.John_M said:
Classy lady.Scott_P said:@suttonnick: Saturday's Times:
Being a mother gives me edge on May — Leadsom
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://t.co/w0ZW0b1jow0 -
Come off it. It is common knowledge that Theresa May was unable to have children.AndyJS said:
How do we know she was having a go at Theresa May? I can't believe she would be that insensitive.Razedabode said:
That is really nasty stuff.John_M said:
Classy lady.Scott_P said:@suttonnick: Saturday's Times:
Being a mother gives me edge on May — Leadsom
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://t.co/w0ZW0b1jow0 -
Crabb by the looks of it. TBH I'm surprised it's not the blond.MP_SE said:
Interesting to see that the Times has dirt on another "family man".Scott_P said:@suttonnick: Saturday's Times:
Being a mother gives me edge on May — Leadsom
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://t.co/w0ZW0b1jow0 -
All over now I think.0
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She explicitly name checks May in the interview.AndyJS said:
How do we know she was having a go at Theresa May? I can't believe she would be that insensitive.Razedabode said:
That is really nasty stuff.John_M said:
Classy lady.Scott_P said:@suttonnick: Saturday's Times:
Being a mother gives me edge on May — Leadsom
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://t.co/w0ZW0b1jow
"Mrs May possibly has nieces, nephews, lots of people, but I have children who will have children who will directly be a part of what happens next".
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I am not sure that at my age I have any sensibilities to offend!John_M said:
I like to acknowledge that life isn't all kittens and rainbows post Brexit. We mustn't be Panglossian. I'm sorry if I've offended your sensibilities.
Seriously though, Mr M. what is the value in saying that over a couple of days a type of crime has increased by 42%.
Increased from when? How does that compare with other periods? In what type of locations did this "spike" if such it was occur? What type of volatility in crime in those places and at those times of day week are the statistical norm? And that is before we get into the very serious business of who decides what is a hate crime and on what basis.
So to be honest unless someone can come up with something meaningful then I will take the 42% increase and file it under S, for shit statistic.
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Oh and Stephen Crabb has been a very naughty boy.
What is it about family values Christian Conservatives and their libidos?0 -
OMGJohn_M said:
She explicitly name checks May in the interview.AndyJS said:
How do we know she was having a go at Theresa May? I can't believe she would be that insensitive.Razedabode said:
That is really nasty stuff.John_M said:
Classy lady.Scott_P said:@suttonnick: Saturday's Times:
Being a mother gives me edge on May — Leadsom
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://t.co/w0ZW0b1jow
"Mrs May possibly has nieces, nephews, lots of people, but I have children who will have children who will directly be a part of what happens next".0 -
There could have been a good outcome for Iraq and Saddam's weapons could have been a threat. Likewise, we could be more successful disconnected from the EU. The point I am making is that there was and is no reason to believe these things to be the case once you get beyond the platitudes and test the assumptions behind them.SeanT said:
No, its nonsense. Leaving a fairly stagnant trading bloc - a bloc which has positive and negative implications for the economy - is really not comparable to waging a unilateral war, in an unstable part of the world, with no plan for the aftermath.FF43 said:
I suppose - thinking of Chilcott - it is unknowable like the threat posed by Saddam's weapons of mass destruction were unknowable or that the invasion was certain to lead to a better Iraq.SeanT said:
It's also entirely possible that outside the EU, and freed from some of its constraints, our GDP in time will be LARGER than it might have been inside the superstate.Sean_F said:
That's what's so odd. People talk about modest changes in GDP as if they amounted to some form of calamity.John_M said:
Pfft. Let's keep some perspective. One of the wealthiest, most respected countries in the world might become a little bit less wealthy. The End.OldKingCole said:If I hadn’t been depressed about the country’s future before this thread .......
Things have rarely looked so bad. In peacetime anyway.
Hardly the stuff of Greek tragedy.
No one can know. No one can possibly know. It is literally unknowable. It's like predicting the final premiership league table in the season of 2029 on the basis of present footballing trends.
Except we did know, once we challenged the assumptions behind those unknowable assertions.
It's the difference between a messy divorce and a prolonged vendetta with knives.0 -
The Greeks and Italians were not questioned, I doubt the German banks will have too many problemsPaul_Bedfordshire said:
Lets see how they feel later in the summer after Greece, Italy and Deutsch Banks travails come home to roostHYUFD said:European voters reject 'generous' post Brexit deal with UK. Britons believe they should be offered a generous deal by 53% to 29%, the Swedes are opposed 36% to 43%, the Finns 30% to 50%, the Germans 27% to 53% and the French 27% to 53%. Only the Danes and Norwegians favour generous terms for the UK by 51% to 33% and 43% to 30% reflecting their status outside the eurozone and EU. Most EU nations want a free trade deal only with free movement, in the UK by contrast 43% want a free trade deal even without free movement, 32% a free trade deal with free movement and 6% no free trade deal at all.
In most countries questioned a clear majority questioned thought that the UK leaving would be bad for the EU except in France where 35% thought it made no difference and the number thinking it would be good for the EU, 22%, was almost as many as the 28% who thought it would be bad.
Most countries concerned would voted to Remain in the EU by a clear margin in any referendum, though in France Remain led by a relatively narrow 44% to 33% margin. The Norwegians though would vote to stay out by 70% to 14%
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/rm136y08iq/Eurotrack_June_Results_WebsiteV1.pdf0 -
I wouldn't be so sure about Deutsche.HYUFD said:
The Greeks and Italians were not questioned, I doubt the German banks will have too many problemsPaul_Bedfordshire said:
Lets see how they feel later in the summer after Greece, Italy and Deutsch Banks travails come home to roostHYUFD said:European voters reject 'generous' post Brexit deal with UK. Britons believe they should be offered a generous deal by 53% to 29%, the Swedes are opposed 36% to 43%, the Finns 30% to 50%, the Germans 27% to 53% and the French 27% to 53%. Only the Danes and Norwegians favour generous terms for the UK by 51% to 33% and 43% to 30% reflecting their status outside the eurozone and EU. Most EU nations want a free trade deal only with free movement, in the UK by contrast 43% want a free trade deal even without free movement, 32% a free trade deal with free movement and 6% no free trade deal at all.
In most countries questioned a clear majority questioned thought that the UK leaving would be bad for the EU except in France where 35% thought it made no difference and the number thinking it would be good for the EU, 22%, was almost as many as the 28% who thought it would be bad.
Most countries concerned would voted to Remain in the EU by a clear margin in any referendum, though in France Remain led by a relatively narrow 44% to 33% margin. The Norwegians though would vote to stay out by 70% to 14%
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Now I'm offendedHurstLlama said:
I am not sure that at my age I have any sensibilities to offend!John_M said:<
I like to acknowledge that life isn't all kittens and rainbows post Brexit. We mustn't be Panglossian. I'm sorry if I've offended your sensibilities.
Seriously though, Mr M. what is the value in saying that over a couple of days a type of crime has increased by 42%.
Increased from when? How does that compare with other periods? In what type of locations did this "pike" if such it was occur? What type of volatility in crime in those places and at those times of day week are the statistical norm? And that is before we get into the very serious business of who decides what is a hate crime and on what basis.
So to be honest unless someone can come up with something meaningful then I will take the 42% increase and file it under S, for shit statistic.. I always check the baseline my dear sir! 63 reported crimes per week pre EUref, ~90 now. I appreciate that its pretty thin though - I don't have any more detail than that.
My view is that these things are generally under-reported and we're now in a period of heightened sensitivity.0 -
I would appreciate it if Andrea Leadsom not bugger up my thread for tomorrow by giving even more evidence as to why she should lose.
Oh, and the second piece has a pun that even TSE would be proud of.0 -
She is not fit to be a councillor, never mind run the countryBig_G_NorthWales said:
That is disgusting - my wife is absolutely furious and shows Leadsom has no class, judgement or sensitive to childless women. She is not fit to lead this Country with those commentsPaul_Bedfordshire said:
Thats just nasty - May was unable to have childrenJohn_M said:
Classy lady.Scott_P said:@suttonnick: Saturday's Times:
Being a mother gives me edge on May — Leadsom
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://t.co/w0ZW0b1jow0 -
I am appalled.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
The Times claims Stephen Crabb told a young woman on Whatsapp he wanted to 'kiss her everywhere' apparently on the same frontpageMP_SE said:
Interesting to see that the Times has dirt on another "family man".Scott_P said:@suttonnick: Saturday's Times:
Being a mother gives me edge on May — Leadsom
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://t.co/w0ZW0b1jow
https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/751519641864904706/photo/10 -
Andrea LoathsomeJohn_M said:
Classy lady.Scott_P said:@suttonnick: Saturday's Times:
Being a mother gives me edge on May — Leadsom
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://t.co/w0ZW0b1jow0 -
She must resign - she just has to - I do not think my wife and I have ever been so angered by any politician.
There is no way back - just apologise and GO0 -
The nasty party hasn't gone away.0
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The front page of the Times looks like a hatchet job, using selective quoting. I'm sure both ladies are used to bad press, but it looks like Leadsom is in for a very tough few weeks.John_M said:
She explicitly name checks May in the interview.AndyJS said:
How do we know she was having a go at Theresa May? I can't believe she would be that insensitive.Razedabode said:
That is really nasty stuff.John_M said:
Classy lady.Scott_P said:@suttonnick: Saturday's Times:
Being a mother gives me edge on May — Leadsom
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://t.co/w0ZW0b1jow
"Mrs May possibly has nieces, nephews, lots of people, but I have children who will have children who will directly be a part of what happens next".
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Yep, Leadsom has won.gettingbetter said:All over now I think.
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It's interesting how the times have skewerd her on the front page.
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People who have spent days carrying out a character assassination now crying foul because she's hit back?0
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That is truly awful stuff. It's a sign of the sort of vindictiveness or spite that would make her unsuitable as a PM. I hope she gets absolutely buried in this ballot.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Don't be retarded, look at the quotes posted down thread. It's no hatchet job.anotherDave said:
The front page of the Times looks like a hatchet job, using selective quoting. I'm sure both ladies are used to bad press, but it looks like Leadsom is in for a very tough few weeks.John_M said:
She explicitly name checks May in the interview.AndyJS said:
How do we know she was having a go at Theresa May? I can't believe she would be that insensitive.Razedabode said:
That is really nasty stuff.John_M said:
Classy lady.Scott_P said:@suttonnick: Saturday's Times:
Being a mother gives me edge on May — Leadsom
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://t.co/w0ZW0b1jow
"Mrs May possibly has nieces, nephews, lots of people, but I have children who will have children who will directly be a part of what happens next".
Unless you're going down the Corbynista route of quoting his own words is a smear0 -
From 2014:
An ally of David Cameron has launched an astonishing attack on Theresa May - claiming she would damage Tory election prospects because she has no children.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/torys-astonishing-attack-theresa-may-3973626
Yvette Cooper was also accused of making political capital out of Liz Kendall's lack of children during the Labour leadership race.0 -
She must resignanotherDave said:
The front page of the Times looks like a hatchet job, using selective quoting. I'm sure both ladies are used to bad press, but it looks like Leadsom is in for a very tough few weeks.John_M said:
She explicitly name checks May in the interview.AndyJS said:
How do we know she was having a go at Theresa May? I can't believe she would be that insensitive.Razedabode said:
That is really nasty stuff.John_M said:
Classy lady.Scott_P said:@suttonnick: Saturday's Times:
Being a mother gives me edge on May — Leadsom
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://t.co/w0ZW0b1jow
"Mrs May possibly has nieces, nephews, lots of people, but I have children who will have children who will directly be a part of what happens next".0 -
Theresa MooAndy_Cooke said:
Andrea LoathsomeJohn_M said:
Classy lady.Scott_P said:@suttonnick: Saturday's Times:
Being a mother gives me edge on May — Leadsom
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://t.co/w0ZW0b1jow 0 -
Oh yes it would. Its the equivalent of in the last two for prime minister and saying, 'having eyes that can see gives me the edge over Blunkett'Pong said:
It wouldn't have been any less nasty even if it was a choice.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Thats just nasty - May was unable to have childrenJohn_M said:
Classy lady.Scott_P said:@suttonnick: Saturday's Times:
Being a mother gives me edge on May — Leadsom
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://t.co/w0ZW0b1jow0 -
Leadsom isn't used to any media coverage. Hardly anyone had heard of her before EURef.anotherDave said:
The front page of the Times looks like a hatchet job, using selective quoting. I'm sure both ladies are used to bad press, but it looks like Leadsom is in for a very tough few weeks.John_M said:
She explicitly name checks May in the interview.AndyJS said:
How do we know she was having a go at Theresa May? I can't believe she would be that insensitive.Razedabode said:
That is really nasty stuff.John_M said:
Classy lady.Scott_P said:@suttonnick: Saturday's Times:
Being a mother gives me edge on May — Leadsom
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://t.co/w0ZW0b1jow
"Mrs May possibly has nieces, nephews, lots of people, but I have children who will have children who will directly be a part of what happens next".0 -
Whoever selected that photo did not have her best interests at heart, either.anotherDave said:
The front page of the Times looks like a hatchet job, using selective quoting. I'm sure both ladies are used to bad press, but it looks like Leadsom is in for a very tough few weeks.John_M said:
She explicitly name checks May in the interview.AndyJS said:
How do we know she was having a go at Theresa May? I can't believe she would be that insensitive.Razedabode said:
That is really nasty stuff.John_M said:
Classy lady.Scott_P said:@suttonnick: Saturday's Times:
Being a mother gives me edge on May — Leadsom
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://t.co/w0ZW0b1jow
"Mrs May possibly has nieces, nephews, lots of people, but I have children who will have children who will directly be a part of what happens next".
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Leadsom can't possibly have said that, can she? Who could have told her it would be a good idea? Just doesn't seem possible!
Occam's razor and all, but I can't imagine she's genuinely stupid on top of everything else.0 -
@mikeysmith: Mussolini had six children. Just for the record.0
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Don't you think Leadsom looks tired?
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And really divisive stuff. Not fit to be PM. Should go before she does anymore damage to herself.Big_G_NorthWales said:She must resign - she just has to - I do not think my wife and I have ever been so angered by any politician.
There is no way back - just apologise and GO0 -
bitch As I see it archetypal of many modern Tories.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I am appalled.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Look, look, there are other disgusting people! That makes this okay!williamglenn said:From 2014:
An ally of David Cameron has launched an astonishing attack on Theresa May - claiming she would damage Tory election prospects because she has no children.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/torys-astonishing-attack-theresa-may-3973626
Yvette Cooper was also accused of making political capital out of Liz Kendall's lack of children during the Labour leadership race.0 -
Adolf Hitler didn't have any.TheScreamingEagles said:@mikeysmith: Mussolini had six children. Just for the record.
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Leadsom says May must be 'very sad' not to have children, I don't really see it as an explicit criticism, if a little stupid but more a focus on Leadsom's position as a mother.ToryJim said:
That is truly awful stuff. It's a sign of the sort of vindictiveness or spite that would make her unsuitable as a PM. I hope she gets absolutely buried in this ballot.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
She'll have experienced standard anti-Tory articles as a MP I'm sure. But she seems to have been marked for some special treatment for the duration of this contest.david_herdson said:
Leadsom isn't used to any media coverage. Hardly anyone had heard of her before EURef.anotherDave said:
The front page of the Times looks like a hatchet job, using selective quoting. I'm sure both ladies are used to bad press, but it looks like Leadsom is in for a very tough few weeks.John_M said:
She explicitly name checks May in the interview.AndyJS said:
How do we know she was having a go at Theresa May? I can't believe she would be that insensitive.Razedabode said:
That is really nasty stuff.John_M said:
Classy lady.Scott_P said:@suttonnick: Saturday's Times:
Being a mother gives me edge on May — Leadsom
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://t.co/w0ZW0b1jow
"Mrs May possibly has nieces, nephews, lots of people, but I have children who will have children who will directly be a part of what happens next".0 -
Nobody could be as stupid as to say what Leadsom has apparently said. Doesn't make sense.0
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She didn't use the 'give me an edge' language, and in the case of Blunkett, remember this?Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Oh yes it would. Its the equivalent of in the last two for prime minister and saying, 'having eyes that can see gives me the edge over Blunkett'Pong said:
It wouldn't have been any less nasty even if it was a choice.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Thats just nasty - May was unable to have childrenJohn_M said:
Classy lady.Scott_P said:@suttonnick: Saturday's Times:
Being a mother gives me edge on May — Leadsom
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://t.co/w0ZW0b1jow
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3265219.stm0 -
The purpose of the Church is to help sinners accept they do wrong and helping them to try not to sin in future. It is not a pedestal for the virtuous.TheScreamingEagles said:Oh and Stephen Crabb has been a very naughty boy.
What is it about family values Christian Conservatives and their libidos?
That is why its founder broke bread with tax collectors and prostitutes and told the pharisees and goodly to shove off - and why they killed him.0 -
The Times used to be a proper newspaper.Just a nasty propaganda rag these days that will do anything to push its agenda. Wouldn't trust this story at all.0
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Leadsom's horrible remarks now on Sky - saying it seems like the nasty party again
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@RuthDavidsonMSP: Spot the difference.... https://t.co/vqDUBQ5XFs0
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Theresa May possibly has nieces, nephews, lots of people but I have childrenHYUFD said:
That looks extrement selective quoting by the Times, where does Leadsom ever criticise May for not having children, she saidToryJim said:
That is truly awful stuff. It's a sign of the sort of vindictiveness or spite that would make her unsuitable as a PM. I hope she gets absolutely buried in this ballot.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
The TV coverage I've seen as had a pretty clear pro-May/anti-Leadsom slant. I'm surprised all the press has gone May though. I had assumed they'd keep the Remain/Leave biases of the referendum.Paristonda said:Leadsom can't possibly have said that, can she? Who could have told her it would be a good idea? Just doesn't seem possible!
Occam's razor and all, but I can't imagine she's genuinely stupid on top of everything else.
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She also said Theresa May must be 'very sad'TheScreamingEagles said:
Theresa May possibly has nieces, nephews, lots of people but I have childrenHYUFD said:
That looks extrement selective quoting by the Times, where does Leadsom ever criticise May for not having children, she saidToryJim said:
That is truly awful stuff. It's a sign of the sort of vindictiveness or spite that would make her unsuitable as a PM. I hope she gets absolutely buried in this ballot.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
