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Damn, I missed the result, thought it was coming out at just before 7pm.0
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I hope we get May vs Leadsom in the final round.0
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Remain campaigners received 199 votes
Leave campaigners received 130 votes0 -
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One can only hope. We're still waiting for Hills to pay out on Dave to go in 2016.peter_from_putney said:If Theresa were to be declared the outright winner tonight/tomorrow, would Cameron leave Downing Street within hours? How quickly would the John Lewis removal vans arrive? God it just doesn't seem real somehow.
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Fifth, like Fox!
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Rees-Mogg and Afriye both very bullish about Gove.
"Catching up after a slow start"0 -
Broken, sleazy Fox on the slide...0
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Maybe we won't get another vote if Gove and Crabb see the light.0
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Mr. JS, don't worry, it wasn't especially exciting in the end.0
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Surely the animals have to drop out two by two?0
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Dave:TheScreamingEagles said:Remain campaigners received 199 votes
Leave campaigners received 130 votes
"We're leaving Downing Street for the last time after six wonderful years, and we're very happy that we leave the United Kingdom in a very much more divided, polarised state than when we came here six years ago."0 -
I think Gove can do this*
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Yes I think they will pick up the majority of Fox supporters and once Crabb is eliminated they will back him into the final round and May will beat him. The numbers don't look good for Leadsom right now she needed at least 80-90 to make it into the final round.MikeL said:Rees-Mogg and Afriye both very bullish about Gove.
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Crabb, Gove and Leadsom drop out.peter_from_putney said:If Theresa were to be declared the outright winner tonight/tomorrow, would Cameron leave Downing Street within hours? How quickly would the John Lewis removal vans arrive? God it just doesn't seem real somehow.
Cameron sees monarch, offers resignation, recommends that monarch appoints May.
May sees monarch. Monarch appoints May.
Some agency or other hires youngsters to wave Union Jacks near the barrier in Downing Street.
Timing will swamp out the release of the Chilcot report at 10am tomorrow, so don't expect everyone to drop out today.
Is there a market on whether May will wear pearls or thigh-high boots?
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Got to beat you at something TFS, otherwise l'll end up looking like Gove. Which would be a horrendous fate.TwistedFireStopper said:0 -
"Theresa May, the Tory leadership frontrunner, has reversed her stance towards EU citizens living in Britain, after her rivals accused her of treating them as “bargaining chips” in exit negotiations.
In the first mis-step of her campaign to become prime minister, Mrs May found herself under attack for failing to guarantee the rights of EU nationals to stay in Britain, saying they would be “part of the negotiation” on Brexit."
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a978bc7e-42c8-11e6-b22f-79eb4891c97d.html#ixzz4DYc9BPnz0 -
Crabb should really drop out now. It's highly unlikely he'd overtake Gove or Leadsom - unless some funny business goes on.0
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I know it's sad, but Fox being humiliated with just16 votes, has me giggling like the front row of a Justin Bieber concert.0
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Miaow.AlastairMeeks said:Surely the animals have to drop out two by two?
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Mr. Betting, bit of a limp-wristed u-turn from May, when her position was the correct one.0
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Remain campaigners received 34 votesTheScreamingEagles said:Remain campaigners received 199 votes
Leave campaigners received 130 votes
Leave campaigners received 130 votes
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''Theresa May, the Tory leadership frontrunner, has reversed her stance....''
The first of very, very many.
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Get used to it.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Betting, bit of a limp-wristed u-turn from May, when her position was the correct one.
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Theresa May has enough supporters to choose her opponent if she so wishes0
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There are a lot of tactical votes available with TM achieving 165 in first ballot.TheScreamingEagles said:I think Gove can do this*
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Good. It should be made clear that we'd do everything we can to preserve the rights of EU citizens in the UK and Brits in the EU.TCPoliticalBetting said:"Theresa May, the Tory leadership frontrunner, has reversed her stance towards EU citizens living in Britain, after her rivals accused her of treating them as “bargaining chips” in exit negotiations.
In the first mis-step of her campaign to become prime minister, Mrs May found herself under attack for failing to guarantee the rights of EU nationals to stay in Britain, saying they would be “part of the negotiation” on Brexit."
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I'd put a link between the M23 and A23 half way along the nine miles, if only to allow traffic to keep moving slowly when there's a big accident on the motorway. I used to live on the M3 corridor, and I'll guess that during my time in the sandpit the traffic on the M25 between the M40 and M23 hasn't got any better!HurstLlama said:
Mr. Pit, quite right there is no exit from the M23 after the M25 interchange and before Gatwick, and to be honest it would be difficult to think up an economically viable case why there should be so. Oh, and the distance is nine miles and not 10.Sandpit said:
Is it still the case that there's no exit from the M23 between the M25 and the airport, around ten miles? Missed a flight once after an accident closed the M23 and there was no way of getting round it. Serious infrastructure needed at LGW anyway, another runway would only make the issues worse.HurstLlama said:
I agree that Gatwick is the better option. However, living near it and traveling past it, by road and rail, on a regular basis, I strongly question the associated infrastructure costs that will fall on the taxpayer. I think the plans are grossly optimistic as would anyone who cared to pop down to the train station or try and drive up the M23 at the airport's peak times. Peak times incidentally which, in the morning, coincide with the commuter crush on the London-South Coast railways.RationalPlan said:Well If I've heard Heathrow might not be such a good idea these days.
If anyone has any sense it's Gatwick.
They should really build both LHR and LGW runways, if they want an outside-the-box idea then an airside Hyperloop linking the two airports would allow fast transfers between them.
Building a hyperloop between Gatwick and Heathrow would be spiffing - the present bus transfer fails most hours of every day because the M25 from the M3 (often the A3) around to the Heathrow Junctions is usually down to stop-start crawl in both directions, making sensible journey planning impossible. Back in the day there was a helicopter service which worked tremendously well (and wasn't that expensive), but the eco-loons killed that off.
That said who would invest in a high-speed, non-stop train service between Gatwick and Heathrow? It would be humongously expensive to build and be subject to more planning objections from Surrey residents than you could shake a stick at. The length of time to get T5 planning permission would pale into insignificance by comparison.
Hyperloop is of course wishful thinking, for a large number of reasons, but we used to do stuff like that in the UK and should be supporting and developing new technology where possible.
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I was really gut-wrenchingly disappointed. I so wanted the first one out to be Gove. It would have felt positively cathartic to see him broken, humiliated and reviled.saddened said:I know it's sad, but Fox being humiliated with just16 votes, has me giggling like the front row of a Justin Bieber concert.
It would also have given him a dim sense of how he made teachers feel every day for four horrendous years.
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Interesting how you have often advocated a coronation for Theresa May. Your contempt for Conservative Party members is clear. Why do you object to the membership having a vote ? We've had weeks without en effective Prime Minister - a few more won't make any difference.TheScreamingEagles said:Remain campaigners received 199 votes
Leave campaigners received 130 votes
By the way, Margaret Thatcher won a majority of MPs in 1990 - for all the good it did her.
On the numbers themselves, a good result for Leadsom given the ordure flung at her in the last 48 hours and a disaster for Gove. Crabb did better than I was expecting.
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Indeed - but the advantage of him staying in is to fine tune the tactical voting.tlg86 said:Crabb should really drop out now. It's highly unlikely he'd overtake Gove or Leadsom - unless some funny business goes on.
Though it won't make much difference as long as they have a pretty good idea how Fox's votes will split between Leadsom and Gove.0 -
But we would know that she'd have played that game. Not sure that would go down well.TheScreamingEagles said:Theresa May has enough supporters to choose her opponent if she so wishes
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You are a very bad man – but you did have companysaddened said:I know it's sad, but Fox being humiliated with just16 votes, has me giggling like the front row of a Justin Bieber concert.
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How they did compared to Guido's list of declared MPs:
May 165 (110)
Leadsom 66 (41)
Gove 48 (25)
Crabb 34 (22)
Fox 16 (8)
Overall 329 (206)0 -
Yup.TheScreamingEagles said:I think Gove can do this*
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Do you think Gove or Leadsom has a better chance with the membership?TheScreamingEagles said:I think Gove can do this*
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Theresa May should forget about tactical lending of votes for rivals and concentrate on amassing as big a tally as possible for the final round. She will be practically unopposable if she commands far more of the Parliamentary party than her nominal opponent in the last two and the membership would realise that now is not the time to succumb to Corbyn's Syndrome.0
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I haven't advocated a coronation, I wish the party members get a vote.stodge said:
Interesting how you have often advocated a coronation for Theresa May. Your contempt for Conservative Party members is clear. Why do you object to the membership having a vote ? We've had weeks without en effective Prime Minister - a few more won't make any difference.TheScreamingEagles said:Remain campaigners received 199 votes
Leave campaigners received 130 votes
By the way, Margaret Thatcher won a majority of MPs in 1990 - for all the good it did her.
On the numbers themselves, a good result for Leadsom given the ordure flung at her in the last 48 hours and a disaster for Gove. Crabb did better than I was expecting.
However we're at the point we're whomever finishes second is only supported by less than the third of the parliamentary party, as IDS and Corbyn can attest, that's a horrible place to be in0 -
If Crabb has any sense he'll drop out now, the question then would be if either Gove or Leadsom would do the same - knowing that if either of them did then the other name would go to the Members.
So, one more round on Thursday then print the ballots over the weekend and post them to the members on Monday.0 -
He thinks May will reverse Brexit and doesn't want to risk those pesky Con members throwing a spanner in the works?stodge said:
Interesting how you have often advocated a coronation for Theresa May. Your contempt for Conservative Party members is clear. Why do you object to the membership having a vote ?TheScreamingEagles said:Remain campaigners received 199 votes
Leave campaigners received 130 votes
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Today, LeadsomDanny565 said:
Do you think Gove or Leadsom has a better chance with the membership?TheScreamingEagles said:I think Gove can do this*
*Make the final two
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It could yet get a bit messy for second place.0
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Stewart Jackson speaking for Lead(balloon) ....
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But Brexit means Brexit, or so I was reliably informedGIN1138 said:
He thinks May will reverse Brexit and doesn't want to risk those pesky Con members throwing a spanner in the works?stodge said:
Interesting how you have often advocated a coronation for Theresa May. Your contempt for Conservative Party members is clear. Why do you object to the membership having a vote ?TheScreamingEagles said:Remain campaigners received 199 votes
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The game has already been played - and nobody is saying anything.tlg86 said:
But we would know that she'd have played that game. Not sure that would go down well.TheScreamingEagles said:Theresa May has enough supporters to choose her opponent if she so wishes
No way did Gove get 48 genuine votes.0 -
Not so much Iron Lady as Malleable May?0
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Not surprising to see him as one of the Quidamplumbi.JackW said:Stewart Jackson speaking for Lead(balloon) ....
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yebbut, the Party members are in a feisty mood..AlastairMeeks said:Theresa May should forget about tactical lending of votes for rivals and concentrate on amassing as big a tally as possible for the final round. She will be practically unopposable if she commands far more of the Parliamentary party than her nominal opponent in the last two and the membership would realise that now is not the time to succumb to Corbyn's Syndrome.
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Will Richard Nabavi be for turning too ?RobD said:
Good. It should be made clear that we'd do everything we can to preserve the rights of EU citizens in the UK and Brits in the EU.TCPoliticalBetting said:"Theresa May, the Tory leadership frontrunner, has reversed her stance towards EU citizens living in Britain, after her rivals accused her of treating them as “bargaining chips” in exit negotiations.
In the first mis-step of her campaign to become prime minister, Mrs May found herself under attack for failing to guarantee the rights of EU nationals to stay in Britain, saying they would be “part of the negotiation” on Brexit."
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a978bc7e-42c8-11e6-b22f-79eb4891c97d.html#ixzz4DYc9BPnzRichard_Nabavi said:So, to be clear, those people (mainly hard-core Leavers) criticising Theresa May and Philip Hammond for making the sensible point that the residence status of EU citizens will depend on the outcome of the outcome of the negotiation are saying that a Romanian who has been here four months and is now working in a hand car-wash has acquired a lifetime right to live here? And that that should remain true even if our EU friends don't extend the same courtesy to Brits living in their countries? Have I got this interpretation of 'getting control of our borders' correct?
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As expected... but traded at 1.5!0
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What - even in the long holidays they get?ydoethur said:I so wanted the first one out to be Gove. It would have felt positively cathartic to see him broken, humiliated and reviled.
It would also have given him a dim sense of how he made teachers feel every day for four horrendous years.
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We know every political life ends in failure. But few could exceed Cameron's miserable legacy at leaving Britain so right royally funked. Even Major's 1997 humiliation is looking miraculous by comparison, never mind Eden's hasty departure.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Dave:TheScreamingEagles said:Remain campaigners received 199 votes
Leave campaigners received 130 votes
"We're leaving Downing Street for the last time after six wonderful years, and we're very happy that we leave the United Kingdom in a very much more divided, polarised state than when we came here six years ago."
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I agree, a poor, weak misjudgement by La May.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Betting, bit of a limp-wristed u-turn from May, when her position was the correct one.
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If they have gone collectively insane, that's their prerogative. A Prime Minister selected in such a manner would not last long. Governments don't have the luxury of oppositions of being able to perform Farewell Symphonies. And the government's majority remains just 12.TOPPING said:
yebbut, the Party members are in a feisty mood..AlastairMeeks said:Theresa May should forget about tactical lending of votes for rivals and concentrate on amassing as big a tally as possible for the final round. She will be practically unopposable if she commands far more of the Parliamentary party than her nominal opponent in the last two and the membership would realise that now is not the time to succumb to Corbyn's Syndrome.
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Not seen a Crabb surrogate yet. Considering pulling out?0
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No, Brexit is happening, the people have spoken, I'm looking forward to itGIN1138 said:
He thinks May will reverse Brexit and doesn't want to risk those pesky Con members throwing a spanner in the works?stodge said:
Interesting how you have often advocated a coronation for Theresa May. Your contempt for Conservative Party members is clear. Why do you object to the membership having a vote ?TheScreamingEagles said:Remain campaigners received 199 votes
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Although I don't have any knowledge at all of Tory members' mindsets, I have to say that's my working assumption too. He surely has more knowledge of how to hit the members' erogenous zones more than Leadsom does, and, Miliband-ishly weird though he is, he's less likely to make a huge unforced error in the middle of campaigning than Leadsom is.TheScreamingEagles said:
Today, LeadsomDanny565 said:
Do you think Gove or Leadsom has a better chance with the membership?TheScreamingEagles said:I think Gove can do this*
*Make the final two
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Mike L. Do you think they will play again in the next/subsequent rounds?MikeL said:
The game has already been played - and nobody is saying anything.tlg86 said:
But we would know that she'd have played that game. Not sure that would go down well.TheScreamingEagles said:Theresa May has enough supporters to choose her opponent if she so wishes
No way did Gove get 48 genuine votes.0 -
Not sure about him, but I disagree with the u-turn. If I was a Brit living in France or Spain, I would be furious at such a cavalier and unnecessary depletion of our negotiating arsenal.Pulpstar said:
Will Richard Nabavi be for turning too ?RobD said:
Good. It should be made clear that we'd do everything we can to preserve the rights of EU citizens in the UK and Brits in the EU.TCPoliticalBetting said:"Theresa May, the Tory leadership frontrunner, has reversed her stance towards EU citizens living in Britain, after her rivals accused her of treating them as “bargaining chips” in exit negotiations.
In the first mis-step of her campaign to become prime minister, Mrs May found herself under attack for failing to guarantee the rights of EU nationals to stay in Britain, saying they would be “part of the negotiation” on Brexit."
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a978bc7e-42c8-11e6-b22f-79eb4891c97d.html#ixzz4DYc9BPnzRichard_Nabavi said:So, to be clear, those people (mainly hard-core Leavers) criticising Theresa May and Philip Hammond for making the sensible point that the residence status of EU citizens will depend on the outcome of the outcome of the negotiation are saying that a Romanian who has been here four months and is now working in a hand car-wash has acquired a lifetime right to live here? And that that should remain true even if our EU friends don't extend the same courtesy to Brits living in their countries? Have I got this interpretation of 'getting control of our borders' correct?
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I expect he will lose votes in the second round (a la Clarke)JackW said:Not seen a Crabb surrogate yet. Considering pulling out?
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McDonalds 1 dollar brekkie in Times Square, or you could go to for a KFC bargain bucket too.Charles said:@rcs1000 (or anyone else)
I've got to fly to NYC at short notice to have breakfast with someone on Friday.
Can you recommend anywhere decent? Would like it to be nice, but not flashy and reasonably discreet.
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So she's come out with something that didn't need to be said and has now reversed it. Perhaps she'd have been better off giving a "non comittal" answer after all....TOPPING said:
Not sure about him, but I disagree with the u-turn. If I was a Brit living in France or Spain, I would be furious at such a cavalier and unnecessary depletion of our negotiating arsenal.Pulpstar said:
Will Richard Nabavi be for turning too ?RobD said:
Good. It should be made clear that we'd do everything we can to preserve the rights of EU citizens in the UK and Brits in the EU.TCPoliticalBetting said:"Theresa May, the Tory leadership frontrunner, has reversed her stance towards EU citizens living in Britain, after her rivals accused her of treating them as “bargaining chips” in exit negotiations.
In the first mis-step of her campaign to become prime minister, Mrs May found herself under attack for failing to guarantee the rights of EU nationals to stay in Britain, saying they would be “part of the negotiation” on Brexit."
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a978bc7e-42c8-11e6-b22f-79eb4891c97d.html#ixzz4DYc9BPnzRichard_Nabavi said:So, to be clear, those people (mainly hard-core Leavers) criticising Theresa May and Philip Hammond for making the sensible point that the residence status of EU citizens will depend on the outcome of the outcome of the negotiation are saying that a Romanian who has been here four months and is now working in a hand car-wash has acquired a lifetime right to live here? And that that should remain true even if our EU friends don't extend the same courtesy to Brits living in their countries? Have I got this interpretation of 'getting control of our borders' correct?
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Crabb is entitled to stay in. Technically if he gets most of Fox's votes he could overhaul Gove in third, though unlikely given Fox should back Leadsom. With the second round on Thursday and the third round next Tuesday a couple of days is not going to make any real difference to how long we have to wait to get the next Tory leader and PM, especially as we will have the membership campaign lasting most of the summer before the winner is announced in SeptemberSandpit said:If Crabb has any sense he'll drop out now, the question then would be if either Gove or Leadsom would do the same - knowing that if either of them did then the other name would go to the Members.
So, one more round on Thursday then print the ballots over the weekend and post them to the members on Monday.0 -
Two weeks feels like long enough to give the members, to be honest. Most will return their ballots early anyway.0
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I was going to recommend the Burger King in JFK. Added convenience of not having to leave the airport, and a wide selection on the menuJackW said: , but then realised Charles may actually be looking for serious responses 
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Hah, great minds and all that!tyson said:
McDonalds 1 dollar brekkie in Times Square, or you could go to for a KFC bargain bucket too.Charles said:@rcs1000 (or anyone else)
I've got to fly to NYC at short notice to have breakfast with someone on Friday.
Can you recommend anywhere decent? Would like it to be nice, but not flashy and reasonably discreet.0 -
It was just a problem in language.Pulpstar said:
So she's come out with something that didn't need to be said and has now reversed it. Perhaps she'd have been better off giving a "non comittal" answer after all....TOPPING said:
Not sure about him, but I disagree with the u-turn. If I was a Brit living in France or Spain, I would be furious at such a cavalier and unnecessary depletion of our negotiating arsenal.Pulpstar said:
Will Richard Nabavi be for turning too ?RobD said:
Good. It should be made clear that we'd do everything we can to preserve the rights of EU citizens in the UK and Brits in the EU.TCPoliticalBetting said:"Theresa May, the Tory leadership frontrunner, has reversed her stance towards EU citizens living in Britain, after her rivals accused her of treating them as “bargaining chips” in exit negotiations.
In the first mis-step of her campaign to become prime minister, Mrs May found herself under attack for failing to guarantee the rights of EU nationals to stay in Britain, saying they would be “part of the negotiation” on Brexit."
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a978bc7e-42c8-11e6-b22f-79eb4891c97d.html#ixzz4DYc9BPnzRichard_Nabavi said:So, to be clear, those people (mainly hard-core Leavers) criticising Theresa May and Philip Hammond for making the sensible point that the residence status of EU citizens will depend on the outcome of the outcome of the negotiation are saying that a Romanian who has been here four months and is now working in a hand car-wash has acquired a lifetime right to live here? And that that should remain true even if our EU friends don't extend the same courtesy to Brits living in their countries? Have I got this interpretation of 'getting control of our borders' correct?
And seems to have pleased noone...
Germany isn't going to deport Brits overnight and neither are we. We could always have "guaranteed" them something... even if here was room for movement over the status in the future.0 -
Corbyn guarantees a Tory government whoever they choose.AlastairMeeks said:
If they have gone collectively insane, that's their prerogative. A Prime Minister selected in such a manner would not last long. Governments don't have the luxury of oppositions of being able to perform Farewell Symphonies. And the government's majority remains just 12.TOPPING said:
yebbut, the Party members are in a feisty mood..AlastairMeeks said:Theresa May should forget about tactical lending of votes for rivals and concentrate on amassing as big a tally as possible for the final round. She will be practically unopposable if she commands far more of the Parliamentary party than her nominal opponent in the last two and the membership would realise that now is not the time to succumb to Corbyn's Syndrome.
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My concern remains the financial markets. How long are they going to tolerate this nonsense? It's all the idiot Cameron's fault. May will manage, but is that enough?
Actually, I believe Britain's future is in the hands of the French electorate. If Juppe wins we may stand a chance of a decent settlement.0 -
When you read through the threads of the popular newspapers, nobody has a good word to say about Theresa May.
The more dismissive they are, the more up voted.
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No, he guarantees a non-Corbyn government. With politics shooting through the rapids right now, the Conservatives would be unwise to proceed on the basis that they will remain the only alternative to a Corbyn-led Labour.SouthamObserver said:
Corbyn guarantees a Tory government whoever they choose.AlastairMeeks said:
If they have gone collectively insane, that's their prerogative. A Prime Minister selected in such a manner would not last long. Governments don't have the luxury of oppositions of being able to perform Farewell Symphonies. And the government's majority remains just 12.TOPPING said:
yebbut, the Party members are in a feisty mood..AlastairMeeks said:Theresa May should forget about tactical lending of votes for rivals and concentrate on amassing as big a tally as possible for the final round. She will be practically unopposable if she commands far more of the Parliamentary party than her nominal opponent in the last two and the membership would realise that now is not the time to succumb to Corbyn's Syndrome.
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Any interesting markets on this one?0
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''Please give us the exact words used before and after the so-called reverse. Scraping the barrel methinks.''
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A two horse race ... ?AlastairMeeks said:
No, he guarantees a non-Corbyn government. With politics shooting through the rapids right now, the Conservatives would be unwise to proceed on the basis that they will remain the only alternative to a Corbyn-led Labour.SouthamObserver said:
Corbyn guarantees a Tory government whoever they choose.AlastairMeeks said:
If they have gone collectively insane, that's their prerogative. A Prime Minister selected in such a manner would not last long. Governments don't have the luxury of oppositions of being able to perform Farewell Symphonies. And the government's majority remains just 12.TOPPING said:
yebbut, the Party members are in a feisty mood..AlastairMeeks said:Theresa May should forget about tactical lending of votes for rivals and concentrate on amassing as big a tally as possible for the final round. She will be practically unopposable if she commands far more of the Parliamentary party than her nominal opponent in the last two and the membership would realise that now is not the time to succumb to Corbyn's Syndrome.
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There is always Tim of course!AlastairMeeks said:
No, he guarantees a non-Corbyn government. With politics shooting through the rapids right now, the Conservatives would be unwise to proceed on the basis that they will remain the only alternative to a Corbyn-led Labour.SouthamObserver said:
Corbyn guarantees a Tory government whoever they choose.AlastairMeeks said:
If they have gone collectively insane, that's their prerogative. A Prime Minister selected in such a manner would not last long. Governments don't have the luxury of oppositions of being able to perform Farewell Symphonies. And the government's majority remains just 12.TOPPING said:
yebbut, the Party members are in a feisty mood..AlastairMeeks said:Theresa May should forget about tactical lending of votes for rivals and concentrate on amassing as big a tally as possible for the final round. She will be practically unopposable if she commands far more of the Parliamentary party than her nominal opponent in the last two and the membership would realise that now is not the time to succumb to Corbyn's Syndrome.
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Fox - next leader requires experience.
Suggests he's more likely to switch to Gove rather than Leadsom.0 -
Momentum canvassing here in Leyton.
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Haven't read the article. Has she turned? It appears all she's done is say they'll be part of the negotiation.TOPPING said:
Not sure about him, but I disagree with the u-turn. If I was a Brit living in France or Spain, I would be furious at such a cavalier and unnecessary depletion of our negotiating arsenal.Pulpstar said:
Will Richard Nabavi be for turning too ?RobD said:
Good. It should be made clear that we'd do everything we can to preserve the rights of EU citizens in the UK and Brits in the EU.TCPoliticalBetting said:"Theresa May, the Tory leadership frontrunner, has reversed her stance towards EU citizens living in Britain, after her rivals accused her of treating them as “bargaining chips” in exit negotiations.
In the first mis-step of her campaign to become prime minister, Mrs May found herself under attack for failing to guarantee the rights of EU nationals to stay in Britain, saying they would be “part of the negotiation” on Brexit."
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a978bc7e-42c8-11e6-b22f-79eb4891c97d.html#ixzz4DYc9BPnzRichard_Nabavi said:So, to be clear, those people (mainly hard-core Leavers) criticising Theresa May and Philip Hammond for making the sensible point that the residence status of EU citizens will depend on the outcome of the outcome of the negotiation are saying that a Romanian who has been here four months and is now working in a hand car-wash has acquired a lifetime right to live here? And that that should remain true even if our EU friends don't extend the same courtesy to Brits living in their countries? Have I got this interpretation of 'getting control of our borders' correct?
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Not really, voters have far more choice than previously. It would be lunatic to think that the irresponsibility of opponents licences similar irresponsibility on your part.SouthamObserver said:
Corbyn guarantees a Tory government whoever they choose.AlastairMeeks said:
If they have gone collectively insane, that's their prerogative. A Prime Minister selected in such a manner would not last long. Governments don't have the luxury of oppositions of being able to perform Farewell Symphonies. And the government's majority remains just 12.TOPPING said:
yebbut, the Party members are in a feisty mood..AlastairMeeks said:Theresa May should forget about tactical lending of votes for rivals and concentrate on amassing as big a tally as possible for the final round. She will be practically unopposable if she commands far more of the Parliamentary party than her nominal opponent in the last two and the membership would realise that now is not the time to succumb to Corbyn's Syndrome.
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Make it a little longer, for those of us where the post takes a week or two. No reason it can't be done and dusted by the first week of August, rather than September though. The new PM should really be in place ASAP, she's got plenty in the inbox already.Tissue_Price said:Two weeks feels like long enough to give the members, to be honest. Most will return their ballots early anyway.
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It would be politically useful, disregarding the supporters themselves.AlastairMeeks said:0 -
I'm not sure that it serves Andrea Leadsom's interest to claim that Theresa May really commands the support of 183 MPs.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
yes I think that's about it.Pulpstar said:
So she's come out with something that didn't need to be said and has now reversed it. Perhaps she'd have been better off giving a "non comittal" answer after all....TOPPING said:
Not sure about him, but I disagree with the u-turn. If I was a Brit living in France or Spain, I would be furious at such a cavalier and unnecessary depletion of our negotiating arsenal.Pulpstar said:
Will Richard Nabavi be for turning too ?RobD said:
Good. It should be made clear that we'd do everything we can to preserve the rights of EU citizens in the UK and Brits in the EU.TCPoliticalBetting said:"Theresa May, the Tory leadership frontrunner, has reversed her stance towards EU citizens living in Britain, after her rivals accused her of treating them as “bargaining chips” in exit negotiations.
In the first mis-step of her campaign to become prime minister, Mrs May found herself under attack for failing to guarantee the rights of EU nationals to stay in Britain, saying they would be “part of the negotiation” on Brexit."
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a978bc7e-42c8-11e6-b22f-79eb4891c97d.html#ixzz4DYc9BPnzRichard_Nabavi said:So, to be clear, those people (mainly hard-core Leavers) criticising Theresa May and Philip Hammond for making the sensible point that the residence status of EU citizens will depend on the outcome of the outcome of the negotiation are saying that a Romanian who has been here four months and is now working in a hand car-wash has acquired a lifetime right to live here? And that that should remain true even if our EU friends don't extend the same courtesy to Brits living in their countries? Have I got this interpretation of 'getting control of our borders' correct?
And seems to have pleased noone...
Albeit The Moggster was talking about curtailing the right to remain from June 23rd so maybe the subject was in play, but yes, you are right.0 -
@BBCNormanS: Oh Lordy. Now Corbyn ally tells me "Bring it on you w*****s" Methinks this is definitely heading towards a showdown0
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If there was a market I'd bet on there being at least one extra party with a sitting MP next year, quite feasibly this could be two if the Conservative membership split from their MPs as well.AlastairMeeks said:
No, he guarantees a non-Corbyn government. With politics shooting through the rapids right now, the Conservatives would be unwise to proceed on the basis that they will remain the only alternative to a Corbyn-led Labour.SouthamObserver said:
Corbyn guarantees a Tory government whoever they choose.AlastairMeeks said:
If they have gone collectively insane, that's their prerogative. A Prime Minister selected in such a manner would not last long. Governments don't have the luxury of oppositions of being able to perform Farewell Symphonies. And the government's majority remains just 12.TOPPING said:
yebbut, the Party members are in a feisty mood..AlastairMeeks said:Theresa May should forget about tactical lending of votes for rivals and concentrate on amassing as big a tally as possible for the final round. She will be practically unopposable if she commands far more of the Parliamentary party than her nominal opponent in the last two and the membership would realise that now is not the time to succumb to Corbyn's Syndrome.
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