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Chris Ship @chrisshipitv 8m8 minutes ago
NEW: Just been told Corbyn has said in the last day he wants out, he's had enough. But his Dir of Comms @SeumasMilne told him he should stay
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Didn't both the LibDems and Labour get big boosts in members after the GE?IanB2 said:LibDems now announcing that since last Friday they have received one new member per minute (on average!) and that today the total passed 10,000
I bet Labour would rather not have had that boost.
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Milne is just scared of having to go back to the guardian.DanSmith said:Chris Ship @chrisshipitv 8m8 minutes ago
NEW: Just been told Corbyn has said in the last day he wants out, he's had enough. But his Dir of Comms @SeumasMilne told him he should stay
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Ah yes - spend spend spend - Viv Nicholson the new CoE - lots of beer and sandwiches for the TUs at no 10..oh..wait...that's Labour innit!TGOHF said:
There will be a budget in October which will be used to boost the Uk - not by GO either.SeanT said:
This really is not comparable. I don't see how pb-ers fail to grasp this.TGOHF said:
Do you not remember the IMF saying similar bollocks when the Cons cut taxes and spending after the GE ?SeanT said:That Credit Suisse prediction is just horrible.
We have to accept this is a major fucking mistake. A Tory must man up and say Nah, we're not doing it, and take the electoral hit. Or offer a revote, where voters can choose the three options, FULL LEAVE, EEA, STAY
The house is catching on fire and we're squabbling in the kitchen about whose turn it is to put out the bins
We then boomed.0 -
They bought them cheap off the Hawaiians...foxinsoxuk said:
There is a desperate vowel shortage in Poland. They need to broker a deal with the NZ Maori, who have a language that could easily spare a few!JonCisBack said:There is a Polish tabloid with headlines about Brexit etc with the following word:
Brytyjczycy
Just brilliant - what a language! Cannot help but admire that0 -
He may not get his job back.FrancisUrquhart said:
Milne is just scared of having to go back to the guardian.DanSmith said:Chris Ship @chrisshipitv 8m8 minutes ago
NEW: Just been told Corbyn has said in the last day he wants out, he's had enough. But his Dir of Comms @SeumasMilne told him he should stay
Almost there.0 -
FrancisUrquhart said:
Milne is just scared of having to go back to the guardian.DanSmith said:Chris Ship @chrisshipitv 8m8 minutes ago
NEW: Just been told Corbyn has said in the last day he wants out, he's had enough. But his Dir of Comms @SeumasMilne told him he should stay
Almost there.
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If the rumours are to believed the editor of the guardian is a big fan of his. Everybody else there hates him, but the guardian editor ain't going anywhere. Job for life.surbiton said:
He may not get his job back.FrancisUrquhart said:
Milne is just scared of having to go back to the guardian.DanSmith said:Chris Ship @chrisshipitv 8m8 minutes ago
NEW: Just been told Corbyn has said in the last day he wants out, he's had enough. But his Dir of Comms @SeumasMilne told him he should stay
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Apparently 13,000 up since day before yesterday ?logical_song said:
Didn't both the LibDems and Labour get big boosts in members after the GE?IanB2 said:LibDems now announcing that since last Friday they have received one new member per minute (on average!) and that today the total passed 10,000
I bet Labour would rather not have had that boost.
Any news on how Labour membership is doing at the moment?0 -
+1TheWhiteRabbit said:
I hope she did it Heath style without looking up: "You'll lose."0 -
It would be crazy to stick it out for 5 days then give in.DanSmith said:Chris Ship @chrisshipitv 8m8 minutes ago
NEW: Just been told Corbyn has said in the last day he wants out, he's had enough. But his Dir of Comms @SeumasMilne told him he should stay
Almost there.
Hope its not true.
PLP really hates democracy otherwise it would have challenged long before now.
Plus its Chilcot next Wednesday0 -
Who was the source for that ?DanSmith said:Chris Ship @chrisshipitv 8m8 minutes ago
NEW: Just been told Corbyn has said in the last day he wants out, he's had enough. But his Dir of Comms @SeumasMilne told him he should stay
Almost there.
Dan Hodges ?
He'll only quit for a continuity Corbyn candidate. Corbyn might go, corbynism won't.0 -
House prices are way too high by any sane measure, and their falling makes no difference to people who don't want to move.SeanT said:
But your home could drop 20% in value. Or more.MarqueeMark said:
My mortgage will go down to 0.54%. Basically, halve.Pulpstar said:
Ooh good means my mortgage will go down a bit.Scrapheap_as_was said:Bloody Swiss - can't trust them
Jamie McGeever Verified account
@ReutersJamie
Credit Suisse predicts UK recession with GDP -1.0% next year, Bank of England to slash rates to 0.05% and do £75 billion more QE.
/smugmode
And it's good news for their children who haven't yet bought one.
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LOL. A definite case of Mandy Rice-Davis applying to that comment!RodCrosby said:0 -
A true believer, a bit like Corbyn really.JonCisBack said:
Anyone who based their EU referendum vote on a few quarters GDP figures didn't really understand what the vote was all about. Seems that includes you!SeanT said:That Credit Suisse prediction is just horrible.
We have to accept this is a major fucking mistake. A Tory must man up and say Nah, we're not doing it, and take the electoral hit. Or offer a revote, where voters can choose the three options, FULL LEAVE, EEA, STAY
The house is catching on fire and we're squabbling in the kitchen about whose turn it is to put out the bins
Of COURSE it will be worse for a bit, that's not news.
In the long run we will be better off out of it. That was what guided my cross, my lip's not going all wobbly because of a few economists predicting the fairly obvious
(Although I think the +2.3% was always optimistic frankly...global economy heading for a slowdown anyway)0 -
Why did they have air vents in space again?MarqueeMark said:
The Rebel Alliance are about to be shown the awesome power of the Death Star....David_Evershed said:
Labour MPs have wanted to get rid of Corbyn ever since he was elected by Labour membership. They are just using Brexit as an excuse.Sunil_Prasannan said:I can understand Dave falling on his sword, as the referendum was his baby, thus triggering the Tory Party contest.
But why is there carnage in the Labour Party less than a week after the result?
Poor judgemnet by the rebels who don't have a candidate that can beat Corbyn in a membership election so trying to by-pass democracy.
(Oh and guys - they've put some chicken wire over those air vents this time.)0 -
He'll row in behind her eventually anyway. Might look better that way.TheWhiteRabbit said:0 -
Yes, and? It has done that before, didn't seem to cause the end of the world then and I don't suppose it will now.SeanT said:
But your home could drop 20% in value. Or more.MarqueeMark said:
My mortgage will go down to 0.54%. Basically, halve.Pulpstar said:
Ooh good means my mortgage will go down a bit.Scrapheap_as_was said:Bloody Swiss - can't trust them
Jamie McGeever Verified account
@ReutersJamie
Credit Suisse predicts UK recession with GDP -1.0% next year, Bank of England to slash rates to 0.05% and do £75 billion more QE.
/smugmode
Why don't you have a nice cup of tea and then get on with some work?0 -
Fox jr has been very anti LD since the student fees fiasco. Now quite pro.felix said:
Can we see that on a LibDems Winning Here chart please?IanB2 said:LibDems now announcing that since last Friday they have received one new member per minute (on average!) and that today the total passed 10,000
Being the pro-europe party is the way to recapture support of the youth.0 -
Maybe the glorious leader could have requested the whole party put in that effort, eh? Isn't that what leaders are supposed to do?NickPalmer said:
Yeah, it's an excuse. For those who are using the argument that he didn't try hard enoujgh on the EU, it's worth checking out the results in each of the respective critics' areas, as this chap has done:David_Evershed said:
Labour MPs have wanted to get rid of Corbyn ever since he was elected by Labour membership. They are just using Brexit as an excuse.Sunil_Prasannan said:I can understand Dave falling on his sword, as the referendum was his baby, thus triggering the Tory Party contest.
But why is there carnage in the Labour Party less than a week after the result?
Poor judgemnet by the rebels who don't have a candidate that can beat Corbyn in a membership election so trying to by-pass democracy.
http://beestonweek.blogspot.co.uk/
Yes, I know it's easier to win in Islington than Ashfield, but equally the effort put in by Islington CLP on the referendum at Jeremy's request was a great deal more than some CLPs managed at the request of their MPs.
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The FTSE 100 has now recovered all of its post-Referendum fall, the 250 has recovered a good proportion and, whilst still well down, the £/$ has been on the rise since yesterday.
Since very little of the uncertainty has been resolved my instinct is that these recoveries may be temporary, but the strength of the stock market recovery in particular is both surprising and encouraging.0 -
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I am told 13,000 people joined Labour last week, with 60% giving the reason they are "supporting Corbyn".0 -
Indeed Millenials who seem to think organising facebook petitions is the same as voting might get a Brexit bonus if house prices do drop a bit or stall, which might cheer up those who voted Remain. I agree house prices are nuts at present, just nuts, and I am a beneficiary of this state of affairs.JonCisBack said:
House prices are way too high by any sane measure, and their falling makes no difference to people who don't want to move.SeanT said:
But your home could drop 20% in value. Or more.MarqueeMark said:
My mortgage will go down to 0.54%. Basically, halve.Pulpstar said:
Ooh good means my mortgage will go down a bit.Scrapheap_as_was said:Bloody Swiss - can't trust them
Jamie McGeever Verified account
@ReutersJamie
Credit Suisse predicts UK recession with GDP -1.0% next year, Bank of England to slash rates to 0.05% and do £75 billion more QE.
/smugmode
And it's good news for their children who haven't yet bought one.
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Value does matter if you are recent buyer in that you could go into negative equity.John_M said:
I hate arguing with people like I'm some Pollyanna. Value doesn't matter until you actually trade out. But I do appreciate that some people bank on perpetual house price inflation, and I'm sorry for those who would be affected.SeanT said:
But your home could drop 20% in value. Or more.MarqueeMark said:
My mortgage will go down to 0.54%. Basically, halve.Pulpstar said:
Ooh good means my mortgage will go down a bit.Scrapheap_as_was said:Bloody Swiss - can't trust them
Jamie McGeever Verified account
@ReutersJamie
Credit Suisse predicts UK recession with GDP -1.0% next year, Bank of England to slash rates to 0.05% and do £75 billion more QE.
/smugmode
However, the fundamentals haven't changed. We have a growing number of households, where demand exceeds supply. The country could do with a housing market like the 90s, even if individuals feel differently about it
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Not in dollar terms. In normal circumstances you'd expect a fall in Sterling to boost the FTSE100 because of the high proportion of foreign earnings it reflects.IanB2 said:The FTSE 100 has now recovered all of its post-Referendum fall, the 250 has recovered a good proportion and, whilst still well down, the £/$ has been on the rise since yesterday.
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In the wonderful new land of Brexitania there is no bad news - everything is good. People lose their jobs - no problem Boris bikes available, house prices crash leaving thousands in negative equity - no problem - suck it up...............JonCisBack said:
House prices are way too high by any sane measure, and their falling makes no difference to people who don't want to move.SeanT said:
But your home could drop 20% in value. Or more.MarqueeMark said:
My mortgage will go down to 0.54%. Basically, halve.Pulpstar said:
Ooh good means my mortgage will go down a bit.Scrapheap_as_was said:Bloody Swiss - can't trust them
Jamie McGeever Verified account
@ReutersJamie
Credit Suisse predicts UK recession with GDP -1.0% next year, Bank of England to slash rates to 0.05% and do £75 billion more QE.
/smugmode
And it's good news for their children who haven't yet bought one.0 -
That's fine. The new person can stand for election and, presumably, win. Labour will have a better, more credible leader than it has now.Pulpstar said:
Who was the source for that ?DanSmith said:Chris Ship @chrisshipitv 8m8 minutes ago
NEW: Just been told Corbyn has said in the last day he wants out, he's had enough. But his Dir of Comms @SeumasMilne told him he should stay
Almost there.
Dan Hodges ?
He'll only quit for a continuity Corbyn candidate. Corbyn might go, corbynism won't.
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A very effective way to get the smell of food out of the Death Star canteen.....DavidL said:
Why did they have air vents in space again?MarqueeMark said:
The Rebel Alliance are about to be shown the awesome power of the Death Star....David_Evershed said:
Labour MPs have wanted to get rid of Corbyn ever since he was elected by Labour membership. They are just using Brexit as an excuse.Sunil_Prasannan said:I can understand Dave falling on his sword, as the referendum was his baby, thus triggering the Tory Party contest.
But why is there carnage in the Labour Party less than a week after the result?
Poor judgemnet by the rebels who don't have a candidate that can beat Corbyn in a membership election so trying to by-pass democracy.
(Oh and guys - they've put some chicken wire over those air vents this time.)0 -
Hunt tried his best and got 30%SouthamObserver said:
Maybe the glorious leader could have requested the whole party put in that effort, eh? Isn't that what leaders are supposed to do?NickPalmer said:
Yeah, it's an excuse. For those who are using the argument that he didn't try hard enoujgh on the EU, it's worth checking out the results in each of the respective critics' areas, as this chap has done:David_Evershed said:
Labour MPs have wanted to get rid of Corbyn ever since he was elected by Labour membership. They are just using Brexit as an excuse.Sunil_Prasannan said:I can understand Dave falling on his sword, as the referendum was his baby, thus triggering the Tory Party contest.
But why is there carnage in the Labour Party less than a week after the result?
Poor judgemnet by the rebels who don't have a candidate that can beat Corbyn in a membership election so trying to by-pass democracy.
http://beestonweek.blogspot.co.uk/
Yes, I know it's easier to win in Islington than Ashfield, but equally the effort put in by Islington CLP on the referendum at Jeremy's request was a great deal more than some CLPs managed at the request of their MPs.
Corbyn without breaking sweat secured over 70%
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I quite agree. But it will be tricky. My (non-political) wife was discussing with some of her students, who were very impressed with the Lib Dems in the Euro-Ref but still nervous about backing them due to tuition fees. They would have been 12 at the time of the vote.....foxinsoxuk said:
Fox jr has been very anti LD since the student fees fiasco. Now quite pro.felix said:
Can we see that on a LibDems Winning Here chart please?IanB2 said:LibDems now announcing that since last Friday they have received one new member per minute (on average!) and that today the total passed 10,000
Being the pro-europe party is the way to recapture support of the youth.0 -
You mean the ones who can't be arsed to vote?foxinsoxuk said:
Fox jr has been very anti LD since the student fees fiasco. Now quite pro.felix said:
Can we see that on a LibDems Winning Here chart please?IanB2 said:LibDems now announcing that since last Friday they have received one new member per minute (on average!) and that today the total passed 10,000
Being the pro-europe party is the way to recapture support of the youth.0 -
Breaking: Gove may not support Boris...0
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re: Sindy
Mr Hollande said: "The negotiations will be conducted with the United Kingdom, not with a part of the United Kingdom".
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Sean T - if the BBC are saying things aren't bad, then they're probably not so bad. If you have made the incorrect decision then you'll know in 5 years not in 5 days.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36665685?intlink_from_url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36570120&link_location=live-reporting-correspondent0 -
How about PM of middling country calls referendum to foist off losing support to upstart pressure party, unexpectedly has to make good on it, thinks it's all a bit of a bore essay crisis, makes half hearted attempt at negotiating, gets told "tant pis", utterly and totally misjudges country's mood, but gets all main parties on board, unions, broadcasters, the lot to face down a rag tag voting insurgency, promises Armageddon if people won't stop being silly, loses, falls on sword, opposition atomises..... oh forget it. It's too outlandishSeanT said:
i think I positively enjoy the doom and gloom, to an extent, in some S&M way. Also I haven't got a damn clue what to write next, so I just sit here and stare into space, anywayHurstLlama said:
Yes, and? It has done that before, didn't seem to cause the end of the world then and I don't suppose it will now.SeanT said:
But your home could drop 20% in value. Or more.MarqueeMark said:
My mortgage will go down to 0.54%. Basically, halve.Pulpstar said:
Ooh good means my mortgage will go down a bit.Scrapheap_as_was said:Bloody Swiss - can't trust them
Jamie McGeever Verified account
@ReutersJamie
Credit Suisse predicts UK recession with GDP -1.0% next year, Bank of England to slash rates to 0.05% and do £75 billion more QE.
/smugmode
Why don't you have a nice cup of tea and then get on with some work?
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A lot of the mood music is suggesting micro - brexit is the best on offer for the raging hordes of the north and the midlands. It may not end well.IanB2 said:The FTSE 100 has now recovered all of its post-Referendum fall, the 250 has recovered a good proportion and, whilst still well down, the £/$ has been on the rise since yesterday.
Since very little of the uncertainty has been resolved my instinct is that these recoveries may be temporary, but the strength of the stock market recovery in particular is both surprising and encouraging. 0 -
Gove as CoE with May as leader... very strong team.0
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"The European Central Bank is in no rush to ease its monetary policy in response Britain's vote to leave the European Union, taking comfort in a calmer-than-feared market reaction, several sources have told Reuters."IanB2 said:The FTSE 100 has now recovered all of its post-Referendum fall, the 250 has recovered a good proportion and, whilst still well down, the £/$ has been on the rise since yesterday.
Since very little of the uncertainty has been resolved my instinct is that these recoveries may be temporary, but the strength of the stock market recovery in particular is both surprising and encouraging.
We're just waiting on the Fed's bank stress results later to see which way the markets will end the week.0 -
Why is Eagle heading back in ?0
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Mr. Slackbladder, Gove as May's Chancellor could fit in with Fox being told to foxtrot off.0
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Oh FFS Mr T. What happened to that British stiff upper lip ?SeanT said:That Credit Suisse prediction is just horrible.
We have to accept this is a major fucking mistake. A Tory must man up and say Nah, we're not doing it, and take the electoral hit. Or offer a revote, where voters can choose the three options, FULL LEAVE, EEA, STAY
The house is catching on fire and we're squabbling in the kitchen about whose turn it is to put out the bins
Revote ? Are you serious ? Because the voters are so approving of being asked the same question twice, and a load of leavers that expected not to win will come out for a revote and put it beyond question 0 -
Gove's wife's private e mail leaked to press showing that Gove may not back Boris unless he receives assurances. Sensational story from Sky0
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There is no question of accepting EEA membership on any particular terms.SeanT said:
But we can't even accept EEA on the terms threatened by France - loss of passporting.TheWhiteRabbit said:
It may well be simple. May and Johnson will say EEA. The new Labour leader, if there is one, might be Stay. There may be an election, but, either way, most of the access to the single market will be retained.SeanT said:That Credit Suisse prediction is just horrible.
We have to accept this is a major fucking mistake. A Tory must man up and say Nah, we're not doing it, and take the electoral hit. Or offer a revote, where voters can choose the three options, FULL LEAVE, EEA, STAY
The house is catching on fire and we're squabbling in the kitchen about whose turn it is to put out the bins
If we take the EEA route it will be on the current terms including freedom of movement, passporting etc. Those terms are defined by treaty and cannot be changed for any member without being changed for all.0 -
A Labour MEP has warned that the party could split if Mr Corbyn does not step down.RodCrosby said:
Mary Honeyball, who is MEP for the Labour Party in London, said: "Jeremy Corbyn's corrosive leadership has brought the Labour Party close to the edge, and tragically the party I know and love is now in imminent danger of imploding all together."
In an article in the New Statesman, she added: "There is a real possibility of Corbyn getting on the ballot paper and being re-elected. At that stage 200 MPs may form a new party.
"And if need be I will join them."
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2016-06-29/mps-may-form-a-new-party-if-corbyn-stays/0 -
Gove has a wife?Big_G_NorthWales said:Gove's wife's private e mail leaked to press showing that Gove may not back Boris unless he receives assurances. Sensational story from Sky
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Given Boris's main plus point was CotE and chief EU negotiator Gove well..Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Slackbladder, Gove as May's Chancellor could fit in with Fox being told to foxtrot off.
May/Gove dream team is on.
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Milne has spent much of his adult life fighting the Labour party, which he regards as bourgeois and decadent. His dream is to turn it into a genuine anti-capitalist party of the proletariat. He is very close to that now. There's no way he'll give up and Corbyn will do as he is told.surbiton said:
He may not get his job back.FrancisUrquhart said:
Milne is just scared of having to go back to the guardian.DanSmith said:Chris Ship @chrisshipitv 8m8 minutes ago
NEW: Just been told Corbyn has said in the last day he wants out, he's had enough. But his Dir of Comms @SeumasMilne told him he should stay
Almost there.
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Brexit.
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Anyone got any ideas for a thriller? I pay folding money
I've always been fascinated by the possibility of storing the human mind electronically and issues of identity (the sort of 'if you could transplant a brain it would actually be a body transplant not a brain transplant'). They're starting to be able to record some aspects of brain function and memory. Maybe record dreams and replay them inside someone else's brain. Maybe transplant an identity as a form of control or false flag operation. I'm sure there's a thriller where the protagonist thinks he's someone else, maybe finds he is someone else. Obviously there's a bad guy controlling. Something horribly serious at stake. I'd go lite on the gorilla sex and Swedish boilings though.
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The 250 has recovered 60% of its losses and is still rising.surbiton said:0 -
From the Telegraph:
He [Rajoy] was echoed by Mr Hollande, the French President, who insisted the EU will make no advance deal with Scotland. He said: "The negotiations will be conducted with the United Kingdom, not with a part of the United Kingdom.”0 -
45 out of 50 constituency Labour party chairs contacted by #newsnight say they still back Jeremy Corbyn - and many are furious at Labour MPs0
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Now the French are going (for) Krankie
Alan Roden @AlanRoden
French president Francois Hollande: "The negotiations will be conducted with the United Kingdom, not with a part of the United Kingdom"0 -
Mary Queen of Scots having to rely on French support in Edinburgh. Didn't end well.SimonStClare said:0 -
Mr. T, ISIS get hold of Syrian chemical weapons [or Iranian nuclear material, if you prefer]. As the so-called caliphate is destroyed, the final fighters travel to Western Europe with an aim of releasing a chemical, biological or dirty bomb (as you like).
You could do one about the treasure Quintus Caepio stole, and lost [after he was slaughtered by the Cimbri at Arausio]. The quantity of gold was significant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gold_of_Tolosa
Edited extra bit: may have misremembered, and the gold be hidden rather than lost, but still works.0 -
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Gove has a wife?Big_G_NorthWales said:Gove's wife's private e mail leaked to press showing that Gove may not back Boris unless he receives assurances. Sensational story from Sky
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On that subject, the comments from Juncker about this are interesting, saying that if you're in you can try to change the terms, but if you're out you're out.Richard_Tyndall said:There is no question of accepting EEA membership on any particular terms.
If we take the EEA route it will be on the current terms including freedom of movement, passporting etc. Those terms are defined by treaty and cannot be changed for any member without being changed for all.
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The Lib Dems as the Remainian National Party is good positioning. They are desperate for *any* coverage and *anything* that changes the narrative from fees. I suspect it won't work though as the Brand is just so toxic.felix said:
You mean the ones who can't be arsed to vote?foxinsoxuk said:
Fox jr has been very anti LD since the student fees fiasco. Now quite pro.felix said:
Can we see that on a LibDems Winning Here chart please?IanB2 said:LibDems now announcing that since last Friday they have received one new member per minute (on average!) and that today the total passed 10,000
Being the pro-europe party is the way to recapture support of the youth.0 -
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Actually.... I have a very densely plotted thriller called WITHOUT WARNING which I was very pleased with and was advised to write as an airport novel. It was a "what if..." scenario. Then 9/11 came along and I chucked it in the bottom of a drawer... Would need some reworking, but there's a good story and great denouement in there...SeanT said:Anyone got any ideas for a thriller? I pay folding money
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FTSE250 is still wankered but we may as well talk about All Shares to stop the continual to and fro on which index to use to determine Armageddon, and yes I understand that the FTSE All Share is dominated by the FTSE 100 companies in practice.surbiton said:0 -
We are out (or will be). Why would we want to change the terms of EU membership when we are not a member?williamglenn said:
On that subject, the comments from Juncker about this are interesting, saying that if you're in you can try to change the terms, but if you're out you're out.Richard_Tyndall said:There is no question of accepting EEA membership on any particular terms.
If we take the EEA route it will be on the current terms including freedom of movement, passporting etc. Those terms are defined by treaty and cannot be changed for any member without being changed for all.
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#No2NicolaTGOHF said:Now the French are going (for) Krankie
Alan Roden @AlanRoden
French president Francois Hollande: "The negotiations will be conducted with the United Kingdom, not with a part of the United Kingdom"0 -
I like the Peter Watts' articles about all the wierd and wonderful things our minds can get up to, like Cotard's delusion (patient 'knows' they are dead), blindsight, agnosias of various flavours (hemispherical blindness is wierd). The article about the man with 2% of normal brain tissue who appeared to be fully functional stays with me to this day.Patrick said:Anyone got any ideas for a thriller? I pay folding money
I've always been fascinated by the possibility of storing the human mind electronically and issues of identity (the sort of 'if you could transplant a brain it would actually be a body transplant not a brain transplant'). They're starting to be able to record some aspects of brain function and memory. Maybe record dreams and replay them inside someone else's brain. Maybe transplant an identity as a form of control or false flag operation. I'm sure there's a thriller where the protagonist thinks he's someone else, maybe finds he is someone else. Obviously there's a bad guy controlling. Something horribly serious at stake. I'd go lite on the gorilla sex and Swedish boilings though.
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Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak 51 secs51 seconds ago
Supportive message coming from the unions, and letter from 240 Labour councillors BACKING Corbyn
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Sounds like Philip K Dick stuff...Patrick said:Anyone got any ideas for a thriller? I pay folding money
I've always been fascinated by the possibility of storing the human mind electronically and issues of identity (the sort of 'if you could transplant a brain it would actually be a body transplant not a brain transplant'). They're starting to be able to record some aspects of brain function and memory. Maybe record dreams and replay them inside someone else's brain. Maybe transplant an identity as a form of control or false flag operation. I'm sure there's a thriller where the protagonist thinks he's someone else, maybe finds he is someone else. Obviously there's a bad guy controlling. Something horribly serious at stake. I'd go lite on the gorilla sex and Swedish boilings though.
We can remember it for you wholesale
As for protagonist thinking he's somebody else - Bob Arctor in A Scanner Darkly...0 -
Coming back, though. Slowly, admittedly. Any ex MP’s reselected yet? Jo Swinson for example.YellowSubmarine said:
The Lib Dems as the Remainian National Party is good positioning. They are desperate for *any* coverage and *anything* that changes the narrative from fees. I suspect it won't work though as the Brand is just so toxic.felix said:
You mean the ones who can't be arsed to vote?foxinsoxuk said:
Fox jr has been very anti LD since the student fees fiasco. Now quite pro.felix said:
Can we see that on a LibDems Winning Here chart please?IanB2 said:LibDems now announcing that since last Friday they have received one new member per minute (on average!) and that today the total passed 10,000
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Plot point you can have for free is when the killer's alibi that involves never having been to the victims house is rumbled when it is noticed that his phone auto connects to the victim's wifi when he revisits the scene.SeanT said:
i think I positively enjoy the doom and gloom, to an extent, in some S&M way. Also I haven't got a damn clue what to write next, so I just sit here and stare into space, anyway
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If the new government decides that the British interest is best served by trying to negotiate to stay in, they still have that option. Until we're out, we're in.Richard_Tyndall said:
We are out (or will be). Why would we want to change the terms of EU membership when we are not a member?williamglenn said:
On that subject, the comments from Juncker about this are interesting, saying that if you're in you can try to change the terms, but if you're out you're out.Richard_Tyndall said:There is no question of accepting EEA membership on any particular terms.
If we take the EEA route it will be on the current terms including freedom of movement, passporting etc. Those terms are defined by treaty and cannot be changed for any member without being changed for all.
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Even if there is somehow a quick coup, this isn't going to be pretty. *Evil laugh*bigjohnowls said:45 out of 50 constituency Labour party chairs contacted by #newsnight say they still back Jeremy Corbyn - and many are furious at Labour MPs
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See? Corbyn, the immortal God-King of the Opposition. Called it yesterday.Slackbladder said:Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak 51 secs51 seconds ago
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That misdirected email throws up a lot of interesting questions. Why do Murdoch/Dacre instinctively dislike Boris? What are the specific assurances being sought? Why does the email wander between discussing Michael Gove in the third person and then by the end apparently refer to him in the second person?0
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Think Sam Cam may have a wry smile on the news of Sarah Vine's leaked e mailPulpstar said:
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Gove has a wife?Big_G_NorthWales said:Gove's wife's private e mail leaked to press showing that Gove may not back Boris unless he receives assurances. Sensational story from Sky
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I'm laying Eagle back to ~ 0. Looking very clear Jeremy will crush her in a contest and she might not even run.0
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Brexitania has always been at war with Remainia.0
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"Still back" is relevant phrasing - these are people who backed Corbyn last year, not a sample of all constituency party chairsbigjohnowls said:45 out of 50 constituency Labour party chairs contacted by #newsnight say they still back Jeremy Corbyn - and many are furious at Labour MPs
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Twitter always have their finger on the pulse of public opinion - if you're a soaking wet leftard living in an alternative universe.Slackbladder said:
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It's been apparent for a long time that Labour members would prefer a Tory government to a Labour party led by anyone but Jeremy Corbyn.John_M said:
See? Corbyn, the immortal God-King of the Opposition. Called it yesterday.Slackbladder said:Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak 51 secs51 seconds ago
Supportive message coming from the unions, and letter from 240 Labour councillors BACKING Corbyn
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Mr. T, another treasure-idea could be when Hastein (I think) raided the Mediterranean in the 9th century. Got lots of treasure but lost 2/3 of his ships [obviously, unlike the other idea, that would likely now be on the seabed].
Attila was buried in an unknown location, I think with much treasure, likewise Genghis Khan.
A different idea would be having Edward II survive in secret (something many historians now think happened) and fathered a child, whose descendent could have legitimate claim to be King/Queen of England.0 -
The implicit offer from the Leave campaign and the basis of many voters' choice was that we will not have to accept free movement of labour. All indications are that to be part of the single market we must accept free movement. Boris and Gove have a lot of explain to do. They cannot be placed in high government positions - they will be crucified by angry voters.Richard_Tyndall said:
There is no question of accepting EEA membership on any particular terms.SeanT said:
But we can't even accept EEA on the terms threatened by France - loss of passporting.TheWhiteRabbit said:
It may well be simple. May and Johnson will say EEA. The new Labour leader, if there is one, might be Stay. There may be an election, but, either way, most of the access to the single market will be retained.SeanT said:That Credit Suisse prediction is just horrible.
We have to accept this is a major fucking mistake. A Tory must man up and say Nah, we're not doing it, and take the electoral hit. Or offer a revote, where voters can choose the three options, FULL LEAVE, EEA, STAY
The house is catching on fire and we're squabbling in the kitchen about whose turn it is to put out the bins
If we take the EEA route it will be on the current terms including freedom of movement, passporting etc. Those terms are defined by treaty and cannot be changed for any member without being changed for all.
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The glorious leader is glorious.William_H said:
"Still back" is relevant phrasing - these are people who backed Corbyn last year, not a sample of all constituency party chairsbigjohnowls said:45 out of 50 constituency Labour party chairs contacted by #newsnight say they still back Jeremy Corbyn - and many are furious at Labour MPs
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Fine, but since the same (again, rather trite) point could be made about your council's money, the GLA's money, and the Government's money, it doesn't seem particularly relevant to this thread and all the debate here about the EU? And your only escape is to go and live in Monaco or Belize or somewhere...Sunil_Prasannan said:
I was actually paraphrasing MaggieIanB2 said:
Yes, so money goes round in a circle, or doesn't, in which case we are all in trouble.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Employers get profits from people buying their products/using their services, no?IanB2 said:
If you really believe that I suggest you relocate to somewhere where you can live without any requirement to share your money with the state institutions (council, GLA, UK and EU) with which, by living here, you de facto agree to yield a proportion of your income/wealth in return for the services they provide.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Substantial largess from the EU my ARSE!JackW said:
The economic arguments are clearly significant. However if the EU referendum taught us anything, apart from the "interesting disturbance in polling accuracy", it is that financial arguments, however solidly based sometimes do not always cut through. "Experts" Hhmmm ....DavidL said:The Scottish economy is completely integrated with the UK economy. Any change in that will cause disruptions approximately 8x what the UK is facing at the moment. Given the facts of history and geography there is no way to avoid that.
Wales and Cornwall voted LEAVE despite substantial largesse from the EU. They wanted out and they didn't care. Scotland and the Union may go the same way.
The UK as a whole is a net contributor to Brussels coffers!
Remember:
There is no such thing as "EU money"! There is only taxpayers' money!
Anyway, there is no such thing as "your money", it comes from your employer (or bank, or deceased relatives, or wherever)... lol
My last point was only 10% serious.
I know that you like your point, but honestly it seems rather trite to me!
"Let us never forget this fundamental truth: the State has no source of money other than money which people earn themselves. If the State wishes to spend more it can do so only by borrowing your savings or by taxing you more. It is no good thinking that someone else will pay – that ‘someone else’ is you. There is no such thing as public money; there is only taxpayers’ money."
- speech to Conference, 14/10/83
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Not so. In fact there are already special arrangements for specific EEA states - Protocol 47 doesn't apply to Liechtenstein, Protocol 15 has special arrangements for Liechtenstein, Protocol 8 has special provisions for Liechtenstein and Iceland, etc etc etcRichard_Tyndall said:There is no question of accepting EEA membership on any particular terms.
If we take the EEA route it will be on the current terms including freedom of movement, passporting etc. Those terms are defined by treaty and cannot be changed for any member without being changed for all.
http://www.efta.int/legal-texts/eea/protocols-to-the-agreement
What you don't seem to understand is the Contracting Parties can agree whatever they like. It will need the consent of all signatories, of course. But I've made that point many times anyway - to use the EEA route requires the consent of the UK plus the rEU 27 plus the EEA 3 (plus Switzerland for the EFTA bit). In negotiating that consent, anything can be added or subtracted, in legal terms.0
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