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No idea whether the Foyle result is good or bad...0
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I detested both campaigns.CornishBlue said:
As a Leaver I will admit that the Leave campaign was not great. And Farage's poster with the migrants... deary me. If Leave lose nationally by a percent or so, well..MP_SE said:
The Leave campaign was really terrible.Danny565 said:Has the Remain Campaign now officially usurped Andy Burnham's 2015 leadership bid as the worst election campaign in history?
For me, Leave identified the correct diagnosis, had a prescription that was garbled and -to whatever extent it was coherent - incorrect, but redeemed themselves by getting the prognosis right. In some form or another Britain's destiny is disengagement from a European system that is approaching greater integration (and currently making a foul-up of it).
They might lose on the night, but on much of the big picture they are basically right.
I'm not convinced Remain got the prescription any better. But this isn't a vote for who gets to implement their prescription. And besides, Cameron's vision for the EU is different to Corbyn's vision of the EU is different to Farron's - and not one of them has the prospect of the power, even if Prime Minister, to reshape the EU in their image.
Some kind of disentanglement is inevitable - tonight merely dictates the pace and the circumstances.0 -
The lady and her husband are very strong remainers - they've been spamming my FB feed.PlatoSaid said:
Really should call the new arrival IndieJosiasJessop said:Just discovered that a friend is having her baby tomorrow (by Cesarean) earlier than expected.
One of the first Brexit babies?
The worrying thing is why it's been brought forwards so much: I hope they're both okay.0 -
If Leave do win, that Little Englander comment will be a huge own goal. I am said this several times, that was on par with Mrs Bucket and her white van / England flag stuff....coded language for racist...and people have had enough of being labelled that shit.Gallowgate said:The establishment continues to patronise little England.
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Foyle:
Remain: 32,064 (78.3%)
Leave: 8,905 (21.7%)0 -
Isles of Scilly votes Remain
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The Labour line is this is a vote against the government not the EU.
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Arhhh they got the gas lighting working in the end....HYUFD said:Isles of Scilly votes Remain
803 Remain 621 Leave0 -
EdM is his usual I'm So Much Clever Than You mode. He really has the most awful TV manner.brokenwheel said:Lol, ED says it's noting to do with people not liking the EU...
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Remain continue to monster the minnows. (Not that it was really a monstering).0
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Turnout?AndyJS said:Remain may have 83% in Lewisham compared to 70% par.
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Catholics for the "Union". THAT Unionrcs1000 said:No idea whether the Foyle result is good or bad...
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Isles of Scilly:
Remain: 803 (56.4%)
Leave: 621 (43.6%)0 -
Scotland turnout of 68% vs 71% for country as a whole, so not going to make a massive difference.Lowlander said:
The turnout in Scotland is very low, miles down on Indyref and that means that a 58% Remain (based on Clacks) is not nearly enough to save Remain.JennyFreeman said:
This is sensationalCharles said:Beeb estimates/gossip:
N Warwickshire - 70/30
Nuneaton - 80/20
Hartlepool 70/30
all to Leave
Can London and Scotland save it for Remain? Depends a bit on turnout but at this rate the answer's 'no.'0 -
Ah that "Nuneaton moment". I remember May 2015's moment very well...FrankBooth said:
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat.nunu said:shit Nuneton 80-20 Leave.
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Scilly zero rejected ballots...0
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Foyle votes In in NI0
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Wales going leave. It must be all over now. And as a remainer I will accept the will of the people, congratulate leave, and hope we can all come together for the good of our Country. Glad I bought my euros last week.0
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Miliband is bringing out the classics - 'there's a lot of hurt and pain out there', 'we need to do a lot of listening'0
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83% Remain in Lewisham seems extraordinary. It's working class isn't it?0
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BBC establishment suddenly starting to realise just how far removed they are from the ordinary man, woman and child in this country.0
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sadly that is going to be a big issue going forwardsnunu said:London vs. rest of the country again.
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If Leave wins 51-49 , what chance that Labour moves a No confidence motion ? What are the odds of an October election ?0
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Now Remain 52.8% Leave 47.2% nationally0
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UKIP do well in Wales and Wales is Eurosceptic. Remain shouldn't have taken it for granted.Fenster said:"Remain worried about the result in Wales"...
HELLO!! Fecking hell - why are they surprised?? I could've told them the way the wind was blowing.0 -
South Norfolk Turnout Figs.....
80148 out of electorate 102398 Turnout 79pc
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Very High Turnout in a district with a combination of Leafy Norwich Fringe suburbs [look like strongly remain 'on the table'] and more rural areas in Waveney Valley towards Diss [look to be strongly Brexit.
In aggregate we expect Brexit to poll more than Remain anyway but difficult at this stage to see whether more than anticipated
Bunnco - Your Man on the Spot0 -
mixed.FrankBooth said:83% Remain in Lewisham seems extraordinary. It's working class isn't it?
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"Bridget Phillipson, the Labour MP for Houghton and Sunderland South, said she is “naturally disappointed” with the result but says it reflects the “real sense of anger” in the region about low wages and other issues."
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-result-live-counting-leave-remain-brain-in-europe0 -
But remember it is not London in a bubble, it is those outside the SE that are....said London metro elite, who pops at weekends to hang out with other London metro elites in Derbyshire...hunchman said:BBC establishment suddenly starting to realise just how far removed they are from the ordinary man, woman and child in this country.
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Downfall video disastrous?SouthamObserver said:A disastrous night for the pollsters.
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I was genuinely expecting Remain 60-70% in Scilly.AndyJS said:Isles of Scilly:
Remain: 803 (56.4%)
Leave: 621 (43.6%)0 -
Why should the Tories support such a motion? They do have a majority, you know.surbiton said:If Leave wins 51-49 , what chance that Labour moves a No confidence motion ? What are the odds of an October election ?
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Get a huge amount of EU aidHYUFD said:Isles of Scilly votes Remain
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Gentrified in parts.FrankBooth said:83% Remain in Lewisham seems extraordinary. It's working class isn't it?
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But very labour with a strong labour gotv operationFrankBooth said:83% Remain in Lewisham seems extraordinary. It's working class isn't it?
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The Germans will be using BBC footage of this night's coverage and dubbing it over with German in their parody videos.Mortimer said:
Downfall video disastrous?SouthamObserver said:A disastrous night for the pollsters.
That disastrous.0 -
Diane James calling on Cameron to stay, interesting.0
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Swindon imminent. I think we were saying 50/50 for par?0
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That is staggering. Supposed to be 69% according to the Andy spreadsheet.FrankBooth said:83% Remain in Lewisham seems extraordinary. It's working class isn't it?
We really need to see how the other big English metropolitan areas (Sheffield, Leeds, Manchester, Birmingham) vote.0 -
What do you expect in Cornwall overall?CornishBlue said:
I was genuinely expecting Remain 60-70% in Scilly.AndyJS said:Isles of Scilly:
Remain: 803 (56.4%)
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Is it? It is now 53% Remain 47% Leave UK wideMortimer said:
Downfall video disastrous?SouthamObserver said:A disastrous night for the pollsters.
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A disastrous night for the pollsters.
Populus 55/45 remain today...
FFS!!!!0 -
You're not fooling anyone with that wig Vernon.0
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Which speadsheet are people using to judge the results above or below par for a 50/50 split?0
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Good for Remain according to Andy's Spreadsheet.MarqueeMark said:
Get a huge amount of EU aidHYUFD said:Isles of Scilly votes Remain
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No, we're saving that up for Osborne?Mortimer said:
Downfall video disastrous?SouthamObserver said:A disastrous night for the pollsters.
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CornishBlue said:
The Germans will be using BBC footage of this night's coverage and dubbing it over with German in their parody videos.Mortimer said:
Downfall video disastrous?SouthamObserver said:A disastrous night for the pollsters.
That disastrous. 0 -
Where's Sean t tonight0
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That MI5 guy with his rubber is going to have to get his shift on at this rate....0
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Immigration is HUGE.AndyJS said:
The political class are responsible for fostering the split over the last 15 years. They've spent gargantuan amounts of money on London projects while letting small towns in the provinces stagnate.Chameleon said:Our country is looking very split.
The working classes have had to bear it, and the privileged classes who foisted it upon them would never have been as tolerant about it, yet continually labelled the working classes bigoted and racist whenever they griped.
Tonight the working classes bit back.
It was Labour's fault. Tony Blair's (lack of) immigration policy was disastrous.0 -
And Trump is going to land in the middle of all of the chaos and exploit it for the US audience...
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If Leave do win, surely a downfall parody video of Dave in the bunker will be the order of the day?0
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I would still expect a Remain vote, similar to Scilly's.Starfall said:
What do you expect in Cornwall overall?CornishBlue said:
I was genuinely expecting Remain 60-70% in Scilly.AndyJS said:Isles of Scilly:
Remain: 803 (56.4%)
Leave: 621 (43.6%)
But the way things are going....!!0 -
I'd repaired to my boudoir for a nap. However, my trusty laptop keyboard has broken, and the indicative results so far have woken me right up. So here I am. Let's rock and roll UK.
In related news, Ed Miliband is still a dickhead.0 -
55% Leave from Swindon.0
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Swindon
Remain 51,220 Leave 61,7450 -
Swindon good for Leave, but not amazing0
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Another sign for leave!!!0
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Swindon:
Remain: 51,220 (45.3%)
Leave: 61,745 (54.7%)
Was expecting 48% Remain. Hanretty was 41%.0 -
Swindon
In: 51,220
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Swindon 11k for Leave0
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Say hi to your new friends. They won it for LEAVE and they want some people out of the country.RealBritain said:
Really, the PB Tory establishment is so far removed from why the ordinary LEAVEr wants LEAVE ;D0 -
Swindon 54.7% LEAVE
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Good news for leave.0
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Well done for you, Big_G, you might well have saved yourself a few quid.Big_G_NorthWales said:Wales going leave. It must be all over now. And as a remainer I will accept the will of the people, congratulate leave, and hope we can all come together for the good of our Country. Glad I bought my euros last week.
I can't quite believe what I am reading on here this evening though.0 -
I make that 55% Leave in SWINGdon0
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Leave win by c10% in Swindon. They're going to do this.0
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Swindon not so clear as last year!0
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Swindon 55/45 leave
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Currently busy trying to sell his flat?kjohnw said:Where's Sean t tonight
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Swindon not so overwhelming for Leave. Maybe Tories not so angry.0
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Mein Gott Svindon0
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That is not good at all for remain!!TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Maybe I was wrong with the 50/50 par value?0
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Broxbourne out too0
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Maybe the explanation for a Leave win, should it occur, being missed by the polls is straightforward.
Few are really EU enthusiasts beyond the political class, some apparently big brains and people who perhaps have a particular affinity to certain parts of Europe. Many more though don't like it it all. Even more I suspect many accept it has pros and cons but are deeply suspicious of the whole show and that feeling they really don't have a say, its all being done over their heads.
That gives an inclination to Leave that is instinctive and gut compared to the financial self-interest line pedalled as hard a late night TV advert for a juicer. Come polling day that instinct might be decisive.
Add that to the fact that you might just get branded as a bit of dumb ass, uneducated and vaguely racist person if you favour Leave, what would you do?
You'd keep your counsel, get the polling station and stick two fingers up to that kind of demonisation in the privacy of the ballot box.
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Now tightened up again nationally after Swindon
In 51% Leave 49%0 -
As I said earlier, Glasgow really was not getting out to vote.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Swindon 55:45 LEAVE0
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I read an article a week or so ago about Rochdale et al - they've taken almost 80% of asylum seekers - Cameron's council has taken Nil.Fenster said:
Immigration is HUGE.AndyJS said:
The political class are responsible for fostering the split over the last 15 years. They've spent gargantuan amounts of money on London projects while letting small towns in the provinces stagnate.Chameleon said:Our country is looking very split.
The working classes have had to bear it, and the privileged classes who foisted it upon them would never have been as tolerant about it, yet continually labelled the working classes bigoted and racist whenever they griped.
Tonight the working classes bit back.
It was Labour's fault. Tony Blair's (lack of) immigration policy was disastrous.0 -
Swindon the first result that's better for REMAIN, but with the CI...0
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Could a big turn out in London still do it for Remain?
I think that would be the worst possible result. Slim Remain and a London vs ... type scenario.0 -
Bet fair not convinced - nearly 3 again0
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Jeremy's going to hit oil if he spins this any more.0
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Rod is not representative, let's not go off the deep end. It's by no means Brexit yet.EPG said:
Say hi to your new friends. They won it for LEAVE and they want some people out of the country.RealBritain said:
Really, the PB Tory establishment is so far removed from why the ordinary LEAVEr wants LEAVE ;D0
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