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Lots of people posting photos of their completed ballot papers on Twitter. Isn't taking photos supposed to be banned in polling stations?

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brokenwheel said:

Pulpstar said:

Anecdotal (Another) My colleague's 18 year old daughter didn't even realise there was a referendum on apparently !

I can believe that.

I'm sure there will be 1000s and 1000s for which that is the case.

rogerh said:

Does anyone know the likely proportion of votes that will bE POSTAL?
A further point the majority of postal votes are likely to have been cast when leave was more strongly ahead in the polls.This could provide leave with significant lead in vote going into polling day.

There was a poster here the other day who (sorry don't recollect who) had calculated the postal votes and indicated that on these leave was around 2 million ahead. The inference from that was that Remain needed to get at lease 53% of the votes cast today in the polling stations to get a win.

No idea how scientific or accurate that was.

RobD said:

My guess is that it is a spoilt/invalid ballot

Just as well I didn't eff it up then.

Sandpit said:

Pulpstar said:

Anecdotal (Another) My colleague's 18 year old daughter didn't even realise there was a referendum on apparently !

Wow. How does she get her news such that she's completely missed the fact of the referendum? I can understand not knowing it was today, but not knowing it was on at all?

I suspect that she's leading her parents on. It's a bit like those people who "didn't realise" their 15 year old was pregnant until the baby surprises them.

Voted remain this morning. Long quest at Riverside 1/2 in London this morning, much higher turnout in Riverside 2 (Shad Thames) than Riverside 1 (London/Tower bridge surrounds), which looks good for Remain but may signify nothing more than phasing. Have felt throughout the campaign that Leave is ahead but not significantly and I sense that may have changed in the last few days. The country could deliver either result today; it depends on the relative turnout of three groups ABC1(young), C2DE and the old.

My most sincere hope is that if Remain have just edged it, as I suspect they might have, Cameron delivers a barnstorming, statesman-like speech that is aimed at healing divisions within his party, respects the result but sends a message to Europe about the urgent need for change, together with a commitment to help deliver that change. I hope then the more ardent leavers stay their hands - it would be catastrophic for the party, and damaging for the country, if they carry on their personal feud having been defeated, however narrowly. No letters to Graham Brady, no defections, no leadership challenges please. Cameron in turn must not provoke his rivals.

Of course, if it's a Leave vote Cameron may as well start packing tonight.

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Seller, getting along sounds great, but it doesn't include the notion of foreign judges being able to impose laws upon us.

My mother's being agonising over how to vote. Last night she was saying we should've had a vote around the time of Maastricht, when it changed from being a trading bloc to a political union.

She's absolutely right. That's exactly what we should have done.

So she shouldn't be agonising about her vote at all, if that's what she wants.

MarqueeMark said:

Scott_P said:

@benatipsosmori: Just heard @standardnews will publish from final preelection poll from us at 11am uk time

So is it just a London poll then?

No, GB wide.

glw said:

Cookie said:

An odd feeling voting: never before have I felt so sure about which box to put my cross in. For me, the democratic arguments for leave outweigh the economic argument for remain.

Yes I voted with so little hesitation today that I actually had to check I'd put a cross in the correct box.

Does anyone know what you do if that happens?

You have to eat your ballot paper, then ask for a replacement.

(I think half of the above statement is correct)

bookseller said:

London said:

MarqueeMark said:

The big fight today is between those who want to leave the EU - and those who want to leave the EU but are too scared of the consequences.

The number of people who want to stay in the EU because it is wonderful are tiny.

I think you are missing a significant block in the middle. People who don't think the EU is wonderful but think it is ok, with positives and negatives, and therefore don't want to leave.

Absolutely - step outside the rarified atmosphere of the political wonks on this forum, and there is a whole world of people out there who just want a quiet life, who have friends (and increasingly family) from or in other parts of Europe, who are horrified by the rhetoric and just want 'everyone to get along and play nicely' (which pretty much sums up the whole EU project and its primary success over the past 60 years).

And you know what? I'm with them. Let's hope the end of today doesn't end up as Banana Republic Britain at the mercy of US conglomerates, Chinese property cash, Russian billionaires, upper-class tax exiles and Rupert effing Murdoch. Independence Day? Don't make me laugh. Traitors and quislings? Pots and kettles more like.

+1

In my experience, once you get beyond the handful of anti-EU fanatics, many of the people who like to whinge about the EU know next to nothing about it. It's just a group of more powerful "other people" that is handy to blame for the world's ills. The Scots don't have the same need since they already have England for that purpose.

Just voted. Clerk said it was " busy " but she hasn't done this polling station before so couldn't make comparisons.

IanB2 said:

If you've filled in and posted/dropped your ballot into the box and then realise you have made a mistake, it is tough luck. If you still have the paper you can cross out your mistaken cross and write another, and it should be accepted as a valid vote during the adjudication of doubtful papers at the count.

So I could scribble through the wrong cross and put another cross in the correct box and that would be interpreted as a clear preference?

SandyRentool said:

glw said:

Cookie said:

An odd feeling voting: never before have I felt so sure about which box to put my cross in. For me, the democratic arguments for leave outweigh the economic argument for remain.

Yes I voted with so little hesitation today that I actually had to check I'd put a cross in the correct box.

Does anyone know what you do if that happens?

You have to eat your ballot paper, then ask for a replacement.

(I think half of the above statement is correct)

You eat your ballot, then a replacement?

Slackbladder said:

brokenwheel said:

Pulpstar said:

Anecdotal (Another) My colleague's 18 year old daughter didn't even realise there was a referendum on apparently !

I can believe that.

I'm sure there will be 1000s and 1000s for which that is the case.

I have no clue of the outcome today, but I haven't seen any evidence that my peers in the under 30s are any more enthused over this vote than any other.

Right - off to vote. Wish me luck!

Flockers

I agree with your hopes for the result but not for Cameron's future.

If he does win it will be on the back of votes from Scotland, Northern Ireland, Gibraltar, London and enough Labour voters. He and Osbourne should pack their bags. Their miserable campaign has inspired no-one at all.

tessyC said:

I voted on the way into work. I was leaning remain for most of the campaign, had decided yesterday for remain. However I saw the ITV poll last night and saw it was pretty much in the bag for remain, so I took the opportunity this morning to go with heart not head...

Interesting. I wonder how many will have done that.

And welcome back

3 polling station reports from Hampshire. Posted for fun.

Two polling stations in semi-urban middle class area that votes Lib dem, has a trickle of voters 8.15 - 9. Somewhat above local election levels (40%) but below GE level (>70%).

At a rural poll station 3/4 saying they voted LEAVE.

My prediction: 59% Remain - 41% Leave

IANAP.

https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/745899706195263488

Busier at my polling station than 've ever seen it before...but I usually vote at around 0800 and this time it was around 0900, so it may be normal.

#useless anecdotes

Surprised to see so many Remain campaigners here in the City of London. Thought you'd weigh in the Remain votes here.

Flockers_pb said:

Voted remain this morning. Long quest at Riverside 1/2 in London this morning, much higher turnout in Riverside 2 (Shad Thames) than Riverside 1 (London/Tower bridge surrounds), which looks good for Remain but may signify nothing more than phasing. Have felt throughout the campaign that Leave is ahead but not significantly and I sense that may have changed in the last few days. The country could deliver either result today; it depends on the relative turnout of three groups ABC1(young), C2DE and the old.

My most sincere hope is that if Remain have just edged it, as I suspect they might have, Cameron delivers a barnstorming, statesman-like speech that is aimed at healing divisions within his party, respects the result but sends a message to Europe about the urgent need for change, together with a commitment to help deliver that change. I hope then the more ardent leavers stay their hands - it would be catastrophic for the party, and damaging for the country, if they carry on their personal feud having been defeated, however narrowly. No letters to Graham Brady, no defections, no leadership challenges please. Cameron in turn must not provoke his rivals.

Of course, if it's a Leave vote Cameron may as well start packing tonight.

If the EU was going to offer real reform, it would have done so before this referendum. If Remain wins, then this will be taken as a sign that the UK has voted for "more Europe".

Cameron is on record as stating that he wants to use the referendum to "permanently dock the UK into the EU". He's not going to be out there fighting for reform (unless it is to make sure we can never get anywhere near as close to leaving ever again).

Jobabob said:

williamglenn said:

My prediction: 59% Remain - 41% Leave

IANAP.

IANAP? Explain...!

I am not a pollster.

Incoming Ipsos Mori and Leave hits 5

5.3 now.

TOPPING said:

MarqueeMark said:

TOPPING said:

MarqueeMark said:

OllyT said:

MarqueeMark said:

The big fight today is between those who want to leave the EU - and those who want to leave the EU but are too scared of the consequences.

The number of people who want to stay in the EU because it is wonderful are tiny.

I would estimate about 20-25% positively want to stay, particularly at the younger end of the spectrum. I would also say that most people don't have a scooby doo about the EU. The ignorance and misinformation is appalling when you hear Joe Public being interviewed. It has become the convenient scapegoat to blame for all their problems. That's why Leave is doing so well, they can project everyone's concerns on the EU and promise them everything will be better if we just leave.

Of course if we do leave within a year everyone will be blaming all their woes on Brexit.

I am sanguine about the result, fortunate enough not to be affected either way but I am expecting the buyer's remorse to swift and harsh if we leave, particularly once we opt for a solution that maintains freedom of movement as I am certain we will.

I'm also expecting buyer's remorse to be swift and harsh if we vote to Remain! The EU has been walking on egg-shells, saying nothing that could rock the boat for a couple of months. There's going to be pent-up stuff coming out that will get more than a few people spitting nails...

I'm sure.

And then, Dave produces his piece of paper saying: No Ever Closer Union.

And PUUFFFFFFFFFT! All that pent-up stuff will be repelled.

You mean the piece of paper the Euro-judges are going to point and laugh at?

This piece of paper:

Regarding the Decision in Annex 1, the Heads of State or Government have declared that:

(i) this Decision gives legal guarantee that the matters of concern to the United Kingdom as expressed in the letter of 10 November 2015 have been addressed;

ii) the content of the Decision is fully compatible with the Treaties;

(iii) this Decision is legally binding, and may be amended or repealed only by common accord of the Heads of State or Government of the Member States of the European Union;

(iv) this Decision will take effect on the date the Government of the United Kingdom informs the Secretary-General of the Council that the United Kingdom has decided to remain a member of the European Union.

Ever heard of ultra vires?

I shall cast both my votes after lunch.

Flockers_pb said:

Voted remain this morning. Long quest at Riverside 1/2 in London this morning, much higher turnout in Riverside 2 (Shad Thames) than Riverside 1 (London/Tower bridge surrounds), which looks good for Remain but may signify nothing more than phasing. Have felt throughout the campaign that Leave is ahead but not significantly and I sense that may have changed in the last few days. The country could deliver either result today; it depends on the relative turnout of three groups ABC1(young), C2DE and the old.

My most sincere hope is that if Remain have just edged it, as I suspect they might have, Cameron delivers a barnstorming, statesman-like speech that is aimed at healing divisions within his party, respects the result but sends a message to Europe about the urgent need for change, together with a commitment to help deliver that change. I hope then the more ardent leavers stay their hands - it would be catastrophic for the party, and damaging for the country, if they carry on their personal feud having been defeated, however narrowly. No letters to Graham Brady, no defections, no leadership challenges please. Cameron in turn must not provoke his rivals.

Of course, if it's a Leave vote Cameron may as well start packing tonight.

Cameron should own the victory, if Remain win. He has been brilliant in the closing days of the campaign.

Glad I voted before coming to work. SWT is carnage today and goodness only knows when I'll be home tonight.

AndyJS said:

IanB2 said:

RobD said:

glw said:

Cookie said:

An odd feeling voting: never before have I felt so sure about which box to put my cross in. For me, the democratic arguments for leave outweigh the economic argument for remain.

Yes I voted with so little hesitation today that I actually had to check I'd put a cross in the correct box.

Does anyone know what you do if that happens?

My guess is that it is a spoilt/invalid ballot

If you've filled in and posted/dropped your ballot into the box and then realise you have made a mistake, it is tough luck. If you still have the paper you can cross out your mistaken cross and write another, and it should be accepted as a valid vote during the adjudication of doubtful papers at the count.

You can ask for another ballot paper if you've made a mistake and not yet put it in the ballot box.

True. In May I helped a gent who had received his postal vote in several pieces courtesy of, most probably, one of Royal Mail's sorting machines. We took all the pieces back to the ERO and they sent him another one.

Jobabob said:

Flockers_pb said:

Voted remain this morning. Long quest at Riverside 1/2 in London this morning, much higher turnout in Riverside 2 (Shad Thames) than Riverside 1 (London/Tower bridge surrounds), which looks good for Remain but may signify nothing more than phasing. Have felt throughout the campaign that Leave is ahead but not significantly and I sense that may have changed in the last few days. The country could deliver either result today; it depends on the relative turnout of three groups ABC1(young), C2DE and the old.

My most sincere hope is that if Remain have just edged it, as I suspect they might have, Cameron delivers a barnstorming, statesman-like speech that is aimed at healing divisions within his party, respects the result but sends a message to Europe about the urgent need for change, together with a commitment to help deliver that change. I hope then the more ardent leavers stay their hands - it would be catastrophic for the party, and damaging for the country, if they carry on their personal feud having been defeated, however narrowly. No letters to Graham Brady, no defections, no leadership challenges please. Cameron in turn must not provoke his rivals.

Of course, if it's a Leave vote Cameron may as well start packing tonight.

Cameron should own the victory, if Remain win. He has been brilliant in the closing days of the campaign.

If REMAIN win, will LEAVE accept the result?

TGOHF said:

Voted leave.

Am expecting a news wall of EU-manure to be poured over all of our heads once Remain is confirmed as the winner.

Yep.

EU Army, all have to speak Polish, kettle whistles must be to tune of Marseillaise.

And then guess what? A N Other Party (UKIP perchance) puts it in their manifesto that we must Leave the EU and hey presto, 100% majority at the next GE and out we go.

5.8 now and drifting on betfair. Poll leak?

Anecdote alert !!!!
Some of you may know that I play a lot of online Bridge ( on the BCL website ) . The referendum has been much discussed on their comments board . Although the demographics are of a majority of older members which should clearly favour Leave the consensus is running around 70/30 for Remain .

AlastairMeeks said:

I shall cast both my votes after lunch.

You only got two?

williamglenn said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

5.3 now.

Cameron might yet get chance to implement plan A - The most brutal cabinet reshuffle since Macmillan's night of the long knives.

Dave's should make all Leavers do the walk of atonement

williamglenn said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

5.3 now.

Cameron might yet get chance to implement plan A - The most brutal cabinet reshuffle since Macmillan's night of the long knives.

Only if it's 70/30

weejonnie said:

TOPPING said:

MarqueeMark said:

TOPPING said:

MarqueeMark said:

OllyT said:

MarqueeMark said:

The big fight today is between those who want to leave the EU - and those who want to leave the EU but are too scared of the consequences.

The number of people who want to stay in the EU because it is wonderful are tiny.

I would estimate about 20-25% positively want to se them everything will be better if we just leave.

Of course if we do leave within a year everyone will be blaming all their woes on Brexit.

I am sanguine about the result, fortunate enough not to be affected either way but I am expecting the buyer's remorse to swift and harsh if we leave, particularly once we opt for a solution that maintains freedom of movement as I am certain we will.

I'm also expecting buyer's remorse to be swift and harsh if we vote to Remain! The EU has been walking on egg-shells, saying nothing that could rock the boat for a couple of months. There's going to be pent-up stuff coming out that will get more than a few people spitting nails...

I'm sure.

And then, Dave produces his piece of paper saying: No Ever Closer Union.

And PUUFFFFFFFFFT! All that pent-up stuff will be repelled.

You mean the piece of paper the Euro-judges are going to point and laugh at?

This piece of paper:

Regarding the Decision in Annex 1, the Heads of State or Government have declared that:

(i) this Decision gives legal guarantee that the matters of concern to the United Kingdom as expressed in the letter of 10 November 2015 have been addressed;

ii) the content of the Decision is fully compatible with the Treaties;

(iii) this Decision is legally binding, and may be amended or repealed only by common accord of the Heads of State or Government of the Member States of the European Union;

(iv) this Decision will take effect on the date the Government of the United Kingdom informs the Secretary-General of the Council that the United Kingdom has decided to remain a member of the European Union.

Ever heard of ultra vires?

You have it the wrong way around. The laws are determined by the EU bodies and the ECJ interprets those laws. The EU has just made another law, in effect.

All the ECJ can do is to refer to the law, in this case the one created by the Heads of State or Government, and say - oh yes, that's all in order.

Edit: because I am totally an expert on European Law, its formulation, and its interpretation.

TOPPING said:

weejonnie said:

TOPPING said:

MarqueeMark said:

TOPPING said:

MarqueeMark said:

OllyT said:

MarqueeMark said:

The big fight today is between those who want to leave the EU - and those who want to leave the EU but are too scared of the consequences.

The number of people who want to stay in the EU because it is wonderful are tiny.

I would estimate about 20-25% positively want to se them everything will be better if we just leave.

Of course if we do leave within a year everyone will be blaming all their woes on Brexit.

I am sanguine about the result, fortunate enough not to be affected either way but I am expecting the buyer's remorse to swift and harsh if we leave, particularly once we opt for a solution that maintains freedom of movement as I am certain we will.

I'm also expecting buyer's remorse to be swift and harsh if we vote to Remain! The EU has been walking on egg-shells, saying nothing that could rock the boat for a couple of months. There's going to be pent-up stuff coming out that will get more than a few people spitting nails...

I'm sure.

And then, Dave produces his piece of paper saying: No Ever Closer Union.

And PUUFFFFFFFFFT! All that pent-up stuff will be repelled.

You mean the piece of paper the Euro-judges are going to point and laugh at?

This piece of paper:

Regarding the Decision in Annex 1, the Heads of State or Government have declared that:

(i) this Decision gives legal guarantee that the matters of concern to the United Kingdom as expressed in the letter of 10 November 2015 have been addressed;

ii) the content of the Decision is fully compatible with the Treaties;

(iii) this Decision is legally binding, and may be amended or repealed only by common accord of the Heads of State or Government of the Member States of the European Union;

(iv) this Decision will take effect on the date the Government of the United Kingdom informs the Secretary-General of the Council that the United Kingdom has decided to remain a member of the European Union.

Ever heard of ultra vires?

You have it the wrong way around. The laws are determined by the EU bodies and the ECJ interprets those laws. The EU has just made another law, in effect.

All the ECJ can do is to refer to the law, in this case the one created by the Heads of State or Government, and say - oh yes, that's all in order.

Surely such a "law" has to be ratified/confirmed by the Parliament. The Council can't just decide what the laws are and aren't.

bookseller said:

London said:

MarqueeMark said:

The big fight today is between those who want to leave the EU - and those who want to leave the EU but are too scared of the consequences.

The number of people who want to stay in the EU because it is wonderful are tiny.

I think you are missing a significant block in the middle. People who don't think the EU is wonderful but think it is ok, with positives and negatives, and therefore don't want to leave.

Absolutely - step outside the rarified atmosphere of the political wonks on this forum, and there is a whole world of people out there who just want a quiet life, who have friends (and increasingly family) from or in other parts of Europe, who are horrified by the rhetoric and just want 'everyone to get along and play nicely' (which pretty much sums up the whole EU project and its primary success over the past 60 years).

And you know what? I'm with them. Let's hope the end of today doesn't end up as Banana Republic Britain at the mercy of US conglomerates, Chinese property cash, Russian billionaires, upper-class tax exiles and Rupert effing Murdoch. Independence Day? Don't make me laugh. Traitors and quislings? Pots and kettles more like.

But none of the Remain side have made those kinds of arguments. The irony is that most of the Remain leadership have no problem with those things. They just want us to stay in the EU to make it less small c conservative and embrace a valueless 'globalisation'.

The Betfair turnout market is crazy at the moment. Punters seem to think there's more chance of turnout being 70-75 than 60-65.

midwinter said:

5.8 now and drifting on betfair. Poll leak?

Bubble?

@TOPPING
Didn't John Majopr think he had won some legally-binding opt-outs? Turned out, they weren't wortn the paper they were written on.

Full text of letter from John Major, Prime Minister, to His
Excellency Monsieur Jacques Santer, 12 November 1996:

“ARTICLE 118A of the TREATY ESTABLISHING THE EUROPEAN COMMUNITY

My intention in agreeing to the Protocol on Social Policy at
Maastricht was to ensure that social
legislation which placed unnecessary burdens on businesses and
damaged competitiveness could not be imposed on the United Kingdom.
The other Heads of State and Governments also agreed that
arrangement, without which there would have been no agreement at all
at Maastricht.

However, in its judgment today, the European Court of Justice has
ruled that the scope of Article 118A is much broader than the United
Kingdom envisaged when the article was originally agreed, as part of
the Single European Act.

This appears to mean that legislation which the United Kingdom had
expected would be dealt with under the Protocol can in fact be
adopted under Article 118A.

That is contrary to the clear and express wishes of the United
Kingdom Government, and goes directly counter to the spirit of what
we agreed at Maastricht. It is unacceptable and must be remedied.



The United Kingdom will therefore table amendments in the
inter-governmental Conference to restore the position to that which
the United Kingdom Government intended following the Maastricht
agreement. Those amendments will be aimed at both ensuring that
Article 118A cannot in future be used in ways contrary to the United
Kingdom’s expectation, and dealing with the specific problem of the
Working Time Directive.

I attach the utmost importance to these amendments and I shall insist
that they form part of the outcome of the Intergovernmental
Conference. I do not see how new agreements can be reached if earlier
agreements are undermined.

Meanwhile, I urge the Commission to refrain from making proposals
under Article 118A which properly belong under the other Members
States’ Agreement on Social Policy.

I am sending copies of this letter to the Heads of State or
Governments of European Union Member States.

Yours sincerely,

John Major”

AndyJS said:

The Betfair turnout market is crazy at the moment. Punters seem to think there's more chance of turnout being 70-75 than 60-65.

I think all the craziness is down to Twitter pics of queues.

RobD said:

TOPPING said:

weejonnie said:

TOPPING said:

MarqueeMark said:

TOPPING said:

MarqueeMark said:

OllyT said:

MarqueeMark said:

The big fight today is between those who want to leave the EU - and those who want to leave the EU but are too scared of the consequences.

The number of people who want to stay in the EU because it is wonderful are tiny.

I would everyone will be blaming all their woes on Brexit.

I am sanguine about the result, fortunate enough not to be affected either way but I am expecting the buyer's remorse to swift and harsh if we leave, particularly once we opt for a solution that maintains freedom of movement as I am certain we will.

I'm also expecting buyer's remorse to be swift and harsh if we vote to Remain! The EU has been walking on egg-shells, saying nothing that could rock the boat for a couple of months. There's going to be pent-up stuff coming out that will get more than a few people spitting nails...

I'm sure.

And then, Dave produces his piece of paper saying: No Ever Closer Union.

And PUUFFFFFFFFFT! All that pent-up stuff will be repelled.

You mean the piece of paper the Euro-judges are going to point and laugh at?

This piece of paper:

Regarding the Decision in Annex 1, the Heads of State or Government have declared that:

(i) this Decision gives legal guarantee that the matters of concern to the United Kingdom as expressed in the letter of 10 November 2015 have been addressed;

ii) the content of the Decision is fully compatible with the Treaties;

(iii) this Decision is legally binding, and may be amended or repealed only by common accord of the Heads of State or Government of the Member States of the European Union;

(iv) this Decision will take effect on the date the Government of the United Kingdom informs the Secretary-General of the Council that the United Kingdom has decided to remain a member of the European Union.

Ever heard of ultra vires?

You have it the wrong way around. The laws are determined by the EU bodies and the ECJ interprets those laws. The EU has just made another law, in effect.

All the ECJ can do is to refer to the law, in this case the one created by the Heads of State or Government, and say - oh yes, that's all in order.

Surely such a "law" has to be ratified/confirmed by the Parliament. The Council can't just decide what the laws are and aren't.

no bloody clue.

But it seems logical. I mean the one thing the EU is good at (indeed it's why most Leavers want to Leave for heaven's sake) is to make binding directives.

I read a little on the betting last night.

Lets face it, the polls are unproven, discredited and are showing a statistical tie. Most assume Remain will win based on the bookies.

Seems majority of bets were for Leave, but bigs bets on Remain distorted the odds.

This in its turn, caused currency rates to change significantly. To make millions on exchange rates, 25k bets are a good investment.

Visiting this site has taught me that in this event, people believe and choose their data. I dont know how things will pan out, so will ignore the noise and wait for the result.

MarkSenior said:

Anecdote alert !!!!
Some of you may know that I play a lot of online Bridge ( on the BCL website ) . The referendum has been much discussed on their comments board . Although the demographics are of a majority of older members which should clearly favour Leave the consensus is running around 70/30 for Remain .

Perhaps being Bridge players they have an IQ of over 100 which favours Remain?

MonikerDiCanio said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Markets signalling it is all over. Stock and currencies all rising . How can they tell at tbis stage

Could be a trick and someone's about to make a vast fortune.

The International news channels are all commenting that the market is rising on the expectation of a remain win