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Pulpstar said:

https://twitter.com/KymYSmith/status/745241548221218816

This looks like the basis of an AV thread.....................

williamglenn said:

Sturgeon needs to sack whoever picked that outfit.

And standing "shoulder to shoulder" with a Tory...

Scott_P said:

@arobertwebb: But I wouldn't risk Leave - I wouldn't risk other people's jobs. That's it for me. You don't fuck around with other people's jobs. The end.

What we might call the SeanT dilemma

@KateEMcCann: Ruth's line - and a good one too. Haven't heard it from Remain camp up until this point. https://t.co/uMEYlZEQKT

How can you quote that when you vote Tory and actively vote to get rid of public sector jobs ☺

Scott_P said:

ThreeQuidder said:

It's well established what "retweet" means

Yes it is well established, and none of my fans have worked it out yet.

Tragic

Do you have any fans?

Charles said:

RobD said:

williamglenn said:

rottenborough said:

Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 20m20 minutes ago
I've been trying to envisage a way that @RuthDavidsonMSP could become party leader at Westminster. Hard to see how but she'd be formidable

They could take the opportunity to adopt the CDU/CSU solution. Davidson could then be the presumptive PM candidate for the Conservative Union while still being in the Scottish Parliament for the time being.

It'll never happen, but could you simultaneously be FM and PM (via a peerage in the House of Lords)?

Mate of mine sat in the House of Lords and the Irish Senate at the same time.

Of course he did... LOL.

RobD said:

Pulpstar said:

https://twitter.com/KymYSmith/status/745241548221218816

This looks like the basis of an AV thread.....................

PB has had its fix of AV threads for 2016.

This is all very interesting but can someone enlighten me as to why the bottom button hole on a decent shirt is horizontal and not vertical like the ones above up to the collar?

Scott_P said:

BenedictWhite said:

Do you have any fans?

They can't get enough of my posts, apparently

I can, I assure you. In fact, possibly toooooo much.

Tuesday evening saw the final TV debate of the EU referendum campaign and there was a clear winner: Ruth Davidson. The leader of the Scottish Conservatives has been absent from the national campaign and her late arrival has injected some much-needed mojo into the pro-EU cause. Ms Davidson, with her combative campaigning and debating style, is well-liked in political circles north of the border — now the rest of the country was able to witness it. She did what David Cameron has struggled to do: appear genuinely pumped up about voting In and make people feel good about it.

https://next.ft.com/content/1e0b8ef0-37a1-11e6-a780-b48ed7b6126f

Yougov on who won the debate:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/745381803683364864

RobD said:

Pulpstar said:

https://twitter.com/KymYSmith/status/745241548221218816

This looks like the basis of an AV thread.....................

Oh I wish I could vote for the Leave but Farage is still a dickhead option. Please, please can we change the ballot.

HurstLlama said:

williamglenn said:

rottenborough said:

Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 20m20 minutes ago
I've been trying to envisage a way that @RuthDavidsonMSP could become party leader at Westminster. Hard to see how but she'd be formidable

They could take the opportunity to adopt the CDU/CSU solution. Davidson could then be the presumptive PM candidate for the Conservative Union while still being in the Scottish Parliament for the time being.

I should have thought the solution was straightforward. Ms Davidson resigns as an MSP, stands for a Westminster seat, gets elected to Parliament then, when there is a vacancy, puts herself forward for the leadership of her party.

Unless of course you think that not only the Conservative Party rules but the UK constitution should be bent solely in order to promote a politician to a job. It might create a bit of a precedent.

It wasn't an entirely serious idea but no I wasn't suggesting to bend the constitution. There's nothing to stop the leader of the party being someone different from the leader at Westminster. She could then stand to become an MP in the next General Election on the basis that she would become PM if her party had a majority.

Moses_ said:

This is all very interesting but can someone enlighten me as to why the bottom button hole on a decent shirt is horizontal and not vertical like the ones above up to the collar?

So when in a hungover state/escaping from your lover's place at dead of night, you know it is the last button hole.....

Scott_P said:

ThreeQuidder said:

Be gentle - he's not happy if he's not retweeting inanities.

Another fan who doesn't know what retweet means

And is unable to comment on the substance.

But do they know the correct answer to the monty Hall problem?

MyBurningEars said:

foxinsoxuk said:

MyBurningEars said:

RodCrosby said:

viewcode said:

RodCrosby said:

Very Orwellian...

Humanoid pincers holding up a metallic slogan to blot out the sun.

Unless Orwell wrote an episode of "Star Trek", that's probably the wrong adjective...

If Orwell had lived long enough, he would have gotten around to it, I'm sure...

Orwell's 1984 was explicitly influenced by reading We by Yevgeny Zamyatin, which is far more sci-fi, impressively so for 1921. No robot claws in it that I recall. But if I could meet one fictional character, it'd have to be a toss-up between I-330 and Thackeray's Becky Sharp. An immaculately vivid characterisation, even if not's someone I could bring myself to like.

"We" is an astonishing work. A very mathematical book as well as a disturbing dystophian work.

One thing that puzzled me - Zamyatin was actually a naval engineer (lived and worked in Britain for a while, on a project building Russian icebreakers in the Newcastle shipyards) so did have a technical education, not just a political one (he was an Old Bolshevik and lucky to escape Stalin's purges). But as far as I can discern, the pseudo-mystical "energy versus entropy" antithesis which seemed to be Zamyatin's underlying philosophical point was totally bogus from a scientific perspective. I wonder whether he really meant freedom (at the expense of chaos) versus order (at the expense of slavery), but didn't think he could get it past the censors. It surprised me when I first read it, that he seemed to feel this scientific/philosophical point and counterpoint was more the core of the story and the political dystopian satire (from someone who lived in the USSR no less!) was just in the background. It struck me that the latter was by far the more powerful idea.

Thanks for the tip-off.

Just bought the book for 99p on Kindle.

nunu said:

http://news.sky.com/

Has sky news come out for Remain, yet?

I notice The Sun going with HMQ...

Vote LEAVE for your Monarch!

williamglenn said:

HurstLlama said:

williamglenn said:

rottenborough said:

Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 20m20 minutes ago
I've been trying to envisage a way that @RuthDavidsonMSP could become party leader at Westminster. Hard to see how but she'd be formidable

They could take the opportunity to adopt the CDU/CSU solution. Davidson could then be the presumptive PM candidate for the Conservative Union while still being in the Scottish Parliament for the time being.

I should have thought the solution was straightforward. Ms Davidson resigns as an MSP, stands for a Westminster seat, gets elected to Parliament then, when there is a vacancy, puts herself forward for the leadership of her party.

Unless of course you think that not only the Conservative Party rules but the UK constitution should be bent solely in order to promote a politician to a job. It might create a bit of a precedent.

It wasn't an entirely serious idea but no I wasn't suggesting to bend the constitution. There's nothing to stop the leader of the party being someone different from the leader at Westminster. She could then stand to become an MP in the next General Election on the basis that she would become PM if her party had a majority.

Fair go, Mr. Glenn, I think I misunderstood your original post on this issue

GIN1138 said:

nunu said:

http://news.sky.com/

Has sky news come out for Remain, yet?

I notice The Sun going with HMQ...

Vote LEAVE for your Monarch!

Using the same image as their previous HMQ story on EU:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClgVEzMWEAE7t5T.jpg

She clearly hasn't heard of my idea to install her as Empress of Europe.....

ThreeQuidder said:

nunu said:

RobD said:

Pulpstar said:

https://twitter.com/KymYSmith/status/745241548221218816

This looks like the basis of an AV thread.....................

Oh I wish I could vote for the Leave but Farage is still a dickhead option. Please, please can we change the ballot.

+1.

+2

RodCrosby said:

I'll be humming this as I go to vote on Thursday. Project Fear, you'll never get me!

I'll stand by EU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLpmj059JFA

GIN1138 said:

BenedictWhite said:

Yougov on who won the debate:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/745381803683364864

Scott didn't want to retweet that one?

Apparently not. I however have not seen a verification of his poll.

MyBurningEars said:

foxinsoxuk said:

MyBurningEars said:

RodCrosby said:

viewcode said:

RodCrosby said:

Very Orwellian...

Humanoid pincers holding up a metallic slogan to blot out the sun.

Unless Orwell wrote an episode of "Star Trek", that's probably the wrong adjective...

If Orwell had lived long enough, he would have gotten around to it, I'm sure...

Orwell's 1984 was explicitly influenced by reading We by Yevgeny Zamyatin, which is far more sci-fi, impressively so for 1921. No robot claws in it that I recall. But if I could meet one fictional character, it'd have to be a toss-up between I-330 and Thackeray's Becky Sharp. An immaculately vivid characterisation, even if not's someone I could bring myself to like.

"We" is an astonishing work. A very mathematical book as well as a disturbing dystophian work.

One thing that puzzled me - Zamyatin was actually a naval engineer (lived and worked in Britain for a while, on a project building Russian icebreakers in the Newcastle shipyards) so did have a technical education, not just a political one (he was an Old Bolshevik and lucky to escape Stalin's purges). But as far as I can discern, the pseudo-mystical "energy versus entropy" antithesis which seemed to be Zamyatin's underlying philosophical point was totally bogus from a scientific perspective. I wonder whether he really meant freedom (at the expense of chaos) versus order (at the expense of slavery), but didn't think he could get it past the censors. It surprised me when I first read it, that he seemed to feel this scientific/philosophical point and counterpoint was more the core of the story and the political dystopian satire (from someone who lived in the USSR no less!) was just in the background. It struck me that the latter was by far the more powerful idea.

Science is used allegorically as well as literally in the book. It describes a future rather like North Korea as I recall.

GIN1138 said:

nunu said:

http://news.sky.com/

Has sky news come out for Remain, yet?

I notice The Sun going with HMQ...

Vote LEAVE for your Monarch!

"I don't think Her ma.. "

Actually hold on, we're way past the stage - ANYTHING that can be politicised in this EURef debate that CAN be politicised WILL be.

williamglenn said:

RodCrosby said:

I'll be humming this as I go to vote on Thursday. Project Fear, you'll never get me!

I'll stand by EU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLpmj059JFA

What a voice.

Obviously no chance of Lizzie purring down the phone on friday, if Dave phones her win a remain win.

RoyalBlue said:

I'd like to ask the PB brains trust a question.

I have been asked to cast a proxy vote on Thursday, but I have not received a polling card for it. Do I need it to vote, and if not what do I need to prove my identity?

The 'about my vote' site doesn't seem to be at all clear on that.

"What happens after I’ve returned
this form?
n Your proxy must go to your polling station to vote on your behalf.
n You should tell your proxy how you want them to vote on your behalf, for example, which candidate, party, or outcome.
n Your local election office will tell your proxy when and where to vote on your behalf.
n You will need to give your date of birth
and signature on this application form. This information is needed to prevent fraud. If you are unable to sign this form, please contact your Electoral Registration Officer."

http://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/how-do-i-vote/voting-by-proxy

DavidL said:

RobD said:

GIN1138 said:

nunu said:

http://news.sky.com/

Has sky news come out for Remain, yet?

I notice The Sun going with HMQ...

Vote LEAVE for your Monarch!

Using the same image as their previous HMQ story on EU:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClgVEzMWEAE7t5T.jpg

She clearly hasn't heard of my idea to install her as Empress of Europe.....

Why on earth would she accept such a demotion?

Na, she'd be Queen-Empress, the Europeans would know their place.

KentRising said:

RobD said:

GIN1138 said:

nunu said:

http://news.sky.com/

Has sky news come out for Remain, yet?

I notice The Sun going with HMQ...

Vote LEAVE for your Monarch!

Using the same image as their previous HMQ story on EU:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClgVEzMWEAE7t5T.jpg

She clearly hasn't heard of my idea to install her as Empress of Europe.....

The problem for The Sun is in the top corner: 'Don't put your trust in Cameron'. They asked people to do just that only 13 months ago.

Not sure that's a big problem, to be honest, especially given Cameron's plummeting trust ratings.

Scott_P said:

kle4 said:

Quite. It's equivalent

No, it isn't.

And if you have appropriated a word because you weren't smart enough to work out what it meant in the first place, can my legion of fans tell us what word we should now use when the accurate and appropriate word would be retweet in it's only definition?

Scott, I enjoy you linking to things on here with twitter, particularly as I am not on it, but I do not understand why you feel the need to insult people using what seems a perfectly adequate appropriated use of a word. By referencing them as retweets it is immediately apparent, even to people who have not seen your posts and whether they like the stlye or not, that you are not merely quoting someone or linking an article, you are linking to or quoting tweets.

It makes perfect sense in the context of this forum, can be used neutrally and not just as a pejorative, and is not the least bit confusing, since this is not twitter, so obviously it is not a literal retweet. So again, seizing upon a linguistical shorthand and acting like a cock about it, well, what's the bloody point?

You must go nuts over people talking about Netflix 'queues'. Why did computing appropriate a term whose original literal meaning was about people and objects? Gods, people are so stupid, aren't they Scott? Why do we use google as a generic term for using as a search engine, even if we are using bing (because we forgot to change the default)? Oh gods, according to the intenet an engine is a device that convers potential energy into mechanical work, why did we appropriate it to mean something like a search engine which is not mechanical?

You want to be a pedant? Sure, it's fun, but please don't pretend yours is an authoritative voice on when one is allowed to be a pedant or not, unless you want every single word you've ever used scrutinised and discover you are using words that used to mean other things, or were specific to other contexts - because there will be a lot of them, it's the joy of an

And before you use the tiresome quip about your 'fans' on me, please consider I defend the use of retweeting information on here all the damn time, I welcome it, but just because it irritates some people and you quite reasonably enjoy mocking people back for complaining about it, doesn't make insulting people's intelligence for using understandable shorthand less pompous.

I can count on one hand the number of times I've been irritated to such a degree on here. Your record would indicate you would welcome you have managed to do so so for me. You join a few obstreperous scottish nats and SeanT in managing to do so, and without even needing to get nasty, just pompous, quite a feat.

I look forward to seeing what people are saying on Twitter in the morning though - as I said, I'm not on there myself, so it's a way to get a feel for what's being said. Good night

RochdalePioneers said:

I suggested shy Leavers a few hours ago as a factor in why the polls are neck and neck but Cameron publically shat himself to beg for mercy this afternoon.

I have come out for Leave. Reluctantly, having mulled it over for a long time. I despise a lot of what both sides have said, have basically ignored the debate and made my own conclusions from what I believe to be best and what I believe to be principles.

I have good friends who support all parties and none. We talk politics, we disagree amicably, there is some mild mockery, we agree to disagree. But not this time. Many of my friends are descending into a screaming hate filled rage on Facebook. The EU is the best thing ever. The leave camp are the worst kind of hatemongers. To air any deviant opinions is to pander to thugs and nazis. That I found that Farage poster repugnant (though defend their right in a free country to show it) doesn't matter. I have to side with Goldman Sachs Mark Carney George Osborne fucking George Soros. Or I am Neville Chamberlain. Marshal Petain.

I won't be the only one. Having huddled conversation in the office kitchen with the other Leave supporter because to not side with Jamie Dimon or the ECB is *wrong*. Amongst my peer group, Leave is dangerous. So we talk quietly. My close colleagues in my department know I am a Labour activist and councilor. There is good natured banter and also genuine questions as they know I know what's going on (I never ever impose my views). I came out for Leave last Thursday morning. The banter increased. Now it's become a bit harder edged.

Shy Leavers. Get a piece ready for the weekend as to why the betting markets got it wrong.

Top post.

But I have no doubt there are shy remainers too.

YellowSubmarine said:

The Sun wants us to " Believe in Britain " but will happily damage our constitutional Monarchy to pursue it's own agenda.

It's funny you say that because our constitutional Monarchy could well be the subject of our next referendum.

DavidL said:

RobD said:

DavidL said:

RobD said:

GIN1138 said:

nunu said:

http://news.sky.com/

Has sky news come out for Remain, yet?

I notice The Sun going with HMQ...

Vote LEAVE for your Monarch!

Using the same image as their previous HMQ story on EU:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClgVEzMWEAE7t5T.jpg

She clearly hasn't heard of my idea to install her as Empress of Europe.....

Why on earth would she accept such a demotion?

Na, she'd be Queen-Empress, the Europeans would know their place.

She is the Queen. You can't get higher than that.

Don't let Obama hear you say that. In fact, do.

YellowSubmarine said:

The Sun wants us to " Believe in Britain " but will happily damage our constitutional Monarchy to pursue it's own agenda.

The Sun has never supported the Monarchy. Occassionally exploited it, never supported it.

williamglenn said:

DavidL said:

RobD said:

DavidL said:

RobD said:

GIN1138 said:

nunu said:

http://news.sky.com/

Has sky news come out for Remain, yet?

I notice The Sun going with HMQ...

Vote LEAVE for your Monarch!

Using the same image as their previous HMQ story on EU:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClgVEzMWEAE7t5T.jpg

She clearly hasn't heard of my idea to install her as Empress of Europe.....

Why on earth would she accept such a demotion?

Na, she'd be Queen-Empress, the Europeans would know their place.

She is the Queen. You can't get higher than that.

Don't let Obama hear you say that. In fact, do.

He wants to listen, he can go to the back of the queue.

ThreeQuidder said:

Can anyone point me to a political party or pressure group that advocates the UK joining a federal EU/the euro/Schengen? I thought of the European Movement but their website is all referendum.

All the parties backing Remain are effectively backing the UK being part of a federal EU.

El_Dave said:

ThreeQuidder said:

Can anyone point me to a political party or pressure group that advocates the UK joining a federal EU/the euro/Schengen? I thought of the European Movement but their website is all referendum.

All the parties backing Remain are effectively backing the UK being part of a federal EU.

No they aren't. I am totally confident that there would be a referendum again if we were still in the EU and this was going to happen.

RobD said:

El_Dave said:

ThreeQuidder said:

Can anyone point me to a political party or pressure group that advocates the UK joining a federal EU/the euro/Schengen? I thought of the European Movement but their website is all referendum.

All the parties backing Remain are effectively backing the UK being part of a federal EU.

No they aren't. I am totally confident that there would be a referendum again if we were still in the EU and this was going to happen.

The EU is already a state. The ECJ is already the UK's superior court.

http://www.democraticunion.eu There we go.

williamglenn said:

RobD said:

El_Dave said:

ThreeQuidder said:

Can anyone point me to a political party or pressure group that advocates the UK joining a federal EU/the euro/Schengen? I thought of the European Movement but their website is all referendum.

All the parties backing Remain are effectively backing the UK being part of a federal EU.

No they aren't. I am totally confident that there would be a referendum again if we were still in the EU and this was going to happen.

Are we not already in a federal EU? Where is the line in the sand where you would call this referendum?

Any further transfers of power from the UK parliament to the EU, as is the current law.

RobD said:

DavidL said:

RobD said:

El_Dave said:

ThreeQuidder said:

Can anyone point me to a political party or pressure group that advocates the UK joining a federal EU/the euro/Schengen? I thought of the European Movement but their website is all referendum.

All the parties backing Remain are effectively backing the UK being part of a federal EU.

No they aren't. I am totally confident that there would be a referendum again if we were still in the EU and this was going to happen.

You think that there would be another referendum and you are still voting remain? Masochist doesn't begin to describe it. Are you sure you are not looking for a more, eh, exotic site?

I'm not sure where you got the impression I was voting remain?

From your recent comments. Apologies if I misunderstood.

Scrapheap_as_was said:

Loving the final orb poll

Remain 54% leave 46%

Certain to vote remain 52% leave 48%

ThreeQuidder said:

El_Dave said:

ThreeQuidder said:

Can anyone point me to a political party or pressure group that advocates the UK joining a federal EU/the euro/Schengen? I thought of the European Movement but their website is all referendum.

All the parties backing Remain are effectively backing the UK being part of a federal EU.

Yes, I understand that, but I'm looking for someone who's honest and open about it.

The EPP had a 'four freedoms' party in the UK EU Parliament election, but I think they nominally say that the EU should delegate powers to member states.

http://www.epp.eu

The EU Commission perhaps?