I have been asked to cast a proxy vote on Thursday, but I have not received a polling card for it. Do I need it to vote, and if not what do I need to prove my identity?
@arobertwebb: But I wouldn't risk Leave - I wouldn't risk other people's jobs. That's it for me. You don't fuck around with other people's jobs. The end.
And if you have appropriated a word because you weren't smart enough to work out what it meant in the first place, can my legion of fans tell us what word we should now use when the accurate and appropriate word would be retweet in it's only definition?
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB 20m20 minutes ago I've been trying to envisage a way that @RuthDavidsonMSP could become party leader at Westminster. Hard to see how but she'd be formidable
They could take the opportunity to adopt the CDU/CSU solution. Davidson could then be the presumptive PM candidate for the Conservative Union while still being in the Scottish Parliament for the time being.
It'll never happen, but could you simultaneously be FM and PM (via a peerage in the House of Lords)?
Mate of mine sat in the House of Lords and the Irish Senate at the same time.
Yes it is well established, and none of my fans have worked it out yet.
Tragic
That you quote out of context? Indeed.
But not as tragic as you joining the ranks of the imbecilic green-inkers who think it's witty to change someone's name to try to make a point. Bliar, Camoron, ZaNu Labour - and even the EUSSR.
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB 20m20 minutes ago I've been trying to envisage a way that @RuthDavidsonMSP could become party leader at Westminster. Hard to see how but she'd be formidable
They could take the opportunity to adopt the CDU/CSU solution. Davidson could then be the presumptive PM candidate for the Conservative Union while still being in the Scottish Parliament for the time being.
It'll never happen, but could you simultaneously be FM and PM (via a peerage in the House of Lords)?
Mate of mine sat in the House of Lords and the Irish Senate at the same time.
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB 20m20 minutes ago I've been trying to envisage a way that @RuthDavidsonMSP could become party leader at Westminster. Hard to see how but she'd be formidable
They could take the opportunity to adopt the CDU/CSU solution. Davidson could then be the presumptive PM candidate for the Conservative Union while still being in the Scottish Parliament for the time being.
It'll never happen, but could you simultaneously be FM and PM (via a peerage in the House of Lords)?
Mate of mine sat in the House of Lords and the Irish Senate at the same time.
This is all very interesting but can someone enlighten me as to why the bottom button hole on a decent shirt is horizontal and not vertical like the ones above up to the collar?
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB 20m20 minutes ago I've been trying to envisage a way that @RuthDavidsonMSP could become party leader at Westminster. Hard to see how but she'd be formidable
They could take the opportunity to adopt the CDU/CSU solution. Davidson could then be the presumptive PM candidate for the Conservative Union while still being in the Scottish Parliament for the time being.
I should have thought the solution was straightforward. Ms Davidson resigns as an MSP, stands for a Westminster seat, gets elected to Parliament then, when there is a vacancy, puts herself forward for the leadership of her party.
Unless of course you think that not only the Conservative Party rules but the UK constitution should be bent solely in order to promote a politician to a job. It might create a bit of a precedent.
Humanoid pincers holding up a metallic slogan to blot out the sun.
Unless Orwell wrote an episode of "Star Trek", that's probably the wrong adjective...
If Orwell had lived long enough, he would have gotten around to it, I'm sure...
Orwell's 1984 was explicitly influenced by reading We by Yevgeny Zamyatin, which is far more sci-fi, impressively so for 1921. No robot claws in it that I recall. But if I could meet one fictional character, it'd have to be a toss-up between I-330 and Thackeray's Becky Sharp. An immaculately vivid characterisation, even if not's someone I could bring myself to like.
"We" is an astonishing work. A very mathematical book as well as a disturbing dystophian work.
One thing that puzzled me - Zamyatin was actually a naval engineer (lived and worked in Britain for a while, on a project building Russian icebreakers in the Newcastle shipyards) so did have a technical education, not just a political one (he was an Old Bolshevik and lucky to escape Stalin's purges). But as far as I can discern, the pseudo-mystical "energy versus entropy" antithesis which seemed to be Zamyatin's underlying philosophical point was totally bogus from a scientific perspective. I wonder whether he really meant freedom (at the expense of chaos) versus order (at the expense of slavery), but didn't think he could get it past the censors. It surprised me when I first read it, that he seemed to feel this scientific/philosophical point and counterpoint was more the core of the story and the political dystopian satire (from someone who lived in the USSR no less!) was just in the background. It struck me that the latter was by far the more powerful idea.
Tuesday evening saw the final TV debate of the EU referendum campaign and there was a clear winner: Ruth Davidson. The leader of the Scottish Conservatives has been absent from the national campaign and her late arrival has injected some much-needed mojo into the pro-EU cause. Ms Davidson, with her combative campaigning and debating style, is well-liked in political circles north of the border — now the rest of the country was able to witness it. She did what David Cameron has struggled to do: appear genuinely pumped up about voting In and make people feel good about it.
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB 20m20 minutes ago I've been trying to envisage a way that @RuthDavidsonMSP could become party leader at Westminster. Hard to see how but she'd be formidable
They could take the opportunity to adopt the CDU/CSU solution. Davidson could then be the presumptive PM candidate for the Conservative Union while still being in the Scottish Parliament for the time being.
It'll never happen, but could you simultaneously be FM and PM (via a peerage in the House of Lords)?
Mate of mine sat in the House of Lords and the Irish Senate at the same time.
This is all very interesting but can someone enlighten me as to why the bottom button hole on a decent shirt is horizontal and not vertical like the ones above up to the collar?
This is all very interesting but can someone enlighten me as to why the bottom button hole on a decent shirt is horizontal and not vertical like the ones above up to the collar?
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB 20m20 minutes ago I've been trying to envisage a way that @RuthDavidsonMSP could become party leader at Westminster. Hard to see how but she'd be formidable
They could take the opportunity to adopt the CDU/CSU solution. Davidson could then be the presumptive PM candidate for the Conservative Union while still being in the Scottish Parliament for the time being.
I should have thought the solution was straightforward. Ms Davidson resigns as an MSP, stands for a Westminster seat, gets elected to Parliament then, when there is a vacancy, puts herself forward for the leadership of her party.
Unless of course you think that not only the Conservative Party rules but the UK constitution should be bent solely in order to promote a politician to a job. It might create a bit of a precedent.
It wasn't an entirely serious idea but no I wasn't suggesting to bend the constitution. There's nothing to stop the leader of the party being someone different from the leader at Westminster. She could then stand to become an MP in the next General Election on the basis that she would become PM if her party had a majority.
This is all very interesting but can someone enlighten me as to why the bottom button hole on a decent shirt is horizontal and not vertical like the ones above up to the collar?
So when in a hungover state/escaping from your lover's place at dead of night, you know it is the last button hole.....
I wonder how many political careers will be destroyed by this referendum. After we lost Clegg, Cable, Laws, Alexander, Alexander, Miliband, Balls and Murphy last year it could be a quite remarkable turnover in the space of a year.
Humanoid pincers holding up a metallic slogan to blot out the sun.
Unless Orwell wrote an episode of "Star Trek", that's probably the wrong adjective...
If Orwell had lived long enough, he would have gotten around to it, I'm sure...
Orwell's 1984 was explicitly influenced by reading We by Yevgeny Zamyatin, which is far more sci-fi, impressively so for 1921. No robot claws in it that I recall. But if I could meet one fictional character, it'd have to be a toss-up between I-330 and Thackeray's Becky Sharp. An immaculately vivid characterisation, even if not's someone I could bring myself to like.
"We" is an astonishing work. A very mathematical book as well as a disturbing dystophian work.
One thing that puzzled me - Zamyatin was actually a naval engineer (lived and worked in Britain for a while, on a project building Russian icebreakers in the Newcastle shipyards) so did have a technical education, not just a political one (he was an Old Bolshevik and lucky to escape Stalin's purges). But as far as I can discern, the pseudo-mystical "energy versus entropy" antithesis which seemed to be Zamyatin's underlying philosophical point was totally bogus from a scientific perspective. I wonder whether he really meant freedom (at the expense of chaos) versus order (at the expense of slavery), but didn't think he could get it past the censors. It surprised me when I first read it, that he seemed to feel this scientific/philosophical point and counterpoint was more the core of the story and the political dystopian satire (from someone who lived in the USSR no less!) was just in the background. It struck me that the latter was by far the more powerful idea.
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB 20m20 minutes ago I've been trying to envisage a way that @RuthDavidsonMSP could become party leader at Westminster. Hard to see how but she'd be formidable
They could take the opportunity to adopt the CDU/CSU solution. Davidson could then be the presumptive PM candidate for the Conservative Union while still being in the Scottish Parliament for the time being.
I should have thought the solution was straightforward. Ms Davidson resigns as an MSP, stands for a Westminster seat, gets elected to Parliament then, when there is a vacancy, puts herself forward for the leadership of her party.
Unless of course you think that not only the Conservative Party rules but the UK constitution should be bent solely in order to promote a politician to a job. It might create a bit of a precedent.
It wasn't an entirely serious idea but no I wasn't suggesting to bend the constitution. There's nothing to stop the leader of the party being someone different from the leader at Westminster. She could then stand to become an MP in the next General Election on the basis that she would become PM if her party had a majority.
Fair go, Mr. Glenn, I think I misunderstood your original post on this issue
Looking at the Euro 2016 I am struck by the anomaly of Italy at 20 on Betfair. They are certainly through, have a solid defence, score goals and real pedigree. Looks like value to me so I put a purple drinking voucher on.
This is all very interesting but can someone enlighten me as to why the bottom button hole on a decent shirt is horizontal and not vertical like the ones above up to the collar?
It reminds me of the question posed many years ago as to why there is always a single teaspoon left in the sink when the washing up water is drained away. This resulted in many theories over a number of weeks in the Times letter pages.
This is all very interesting but can someone enlighten me as to why the bottom button hole on a decent shirt is horizontal and not vertical like the ones above up to the collar?
So when in a hungover state/escaping from your lover's place at dead of night, you know it is the last button hole.....
Humanoid pincers holding up a metallic slogan to blot out the sun.
Unless Orwell wrote an episode of "Star Trek", that's probably the wrong adjective...
If Orwell had lived long enough, he would have gotten around to it, I'm sure...
Orwell's 1984 was explicitly influenced by reading We by Yevgeny Zamyatin, which is far more sci-fi, impressively so for 1921. No robot claws in it that I recall. But if I could meet one fictional character, it'd have to be a toss-up between I-330 and Thackeray's Becky Sharp. An immaculately vivid characterisation, even if not's someone I could bring myself to like.
"We" is an astonishing work. A very mathematical book as well as a disturbing dystophian work.
One thing that puzzled me - Zamyatin was actually a naval engineer (lived and worked in Britain for a while, on a project building Russian icebreakers in the Newcastle shipyards) so did have a technical education, not just a political one (he was an Old Bolshevik and lucky to escape Stalin's purges). But as far as I can discern, the pseudo-mystical "energy versus entropy" antithesis which seemed to be Zamyatin's underlying philosophical point was totally bogus from a scientific perspective. I wonder whether he really meant freedom (at the expense of chaos) versus order (at the expense of slavery), but didn't think he could get it past the censors. It surprised me when I first read it, that he seemed to feel this scientific/philosophical point and counterpoint was more the core of the story and the political dystopian satire (from someone who lived in the USSR no less!) was just in the background. It struck me that the latter was by far the more powerful idea.
Thanks for the tip-off.
Just bought the book for 99p on Kindle.
An interesting question is whether Huxley wrote "Brave New World" before reading "We" (as Huxley claimed - he said was simply inverting H G Wellsian scientific utiopias into a dystopia), or after (Orwell believed Huxley lied about about his inspiration).
I wouldn't be prepared to bet much either way but the similarities are uncanny. And Orwell acknowledged the debt that "1984" had to it.
Went leafletting today in Fulham council estate for Leave. Don't know why we weren't knocking up doors at this stage but there you go Have a feeling LabourIn Ground war will save Dave's bacon!
Humanoid pincers holding up a metallic slogan to blot out the sun.
Unless Orwell wrote an episode of "Star Trek", that's probably the wrong adjective...
If Orwell had lived long enough, he would have gotten around to it, I'm sure...
Orwell's 1984 was explicitly influenced by reading We by Yevgeny Zamyatin, which is far more sci-fi, impressively so for 1921. No robot claws in it that I recall. But if I could meet one fictional character, it'd have to be a toss-up between I-330 and Thackeray's Becky Sharp. An immaculately vivid characterisation, even if not's someone I could bring myself to like.
"We" is an astonishing work. A very mathematical book as well as a disturbing dystophian work.
One thing that puzzled me - Zamyatin was actually a naval engineer (lived and worked in Britain for a while, on a project building Russian icebreakers in the Newcastle shipyards) so did have a technical education, not just a political one (he was an Old Bolshevik and lucky to escape Stalin's purges). But as far as I can discern, the pseudo-mystical "energy versus entropy" antithesis which seemed to be Zamyatin's underlying philosophical point was totally bogus from a scientific perspective. I wonder whether he really meant freedom (at the expense of chaos) versus order (at the expense of slavery), but didn't think he could get it past the censors. It surprised me when I first read it, that he seemed to feel this scientific/philosophical point and counterpoint was more the core of the story and the political dystopian satire (from someone who lived in the USSR no less!) was just in the background. It struck me that the latter was by far the more powerful idea.
Science is used allegorically as well as literally in the book. It describes a future rather like North Korea as I recall.
I suggested shy Leavers a few hours ago as a factor in why the polls are neck and neck but Cameron publically shat himself to beg for mercy this afternoon.
I have come out for Leave. Reluctantly, having mulled it over for a long time. I despise a lot of what both sides have said, have basically ignored the debate and made my own conclusions from what I believe to be best and what I believe to be principles.
I have good friends who support all parties and none. We talk politics, we disagree amicably, there is some mild mockery, we agree to disagree. But not this time. Many of my friends are descending into a screaming hate filled rage on Facebook. The EU is the best thing ever. The leave camp are the worst kind of hatemongers. To air any deviant opinions is to pander to thugs and nazis. That I found that Farage poster repugnant (though defend their right in a free country to show it) doesn't matter. I have to side with Goldman Sachs Mark Carney George Osborne fucking George Soros. Or I am Neville Chamberlain. Marshal Petain.
I won't be the only one. Having huddled conversation in the office kitchen with the other Leave supporter because to not side with Jamie Dimon or the ECB is *wrong*. Amongst my peer group, Leave is dangerous. So we talk quietly. My close colleagues in my department know I am a Labour activist and councilor. There is good natured banter and also genuine questions as they know I know what's going on (I never ever impose my views). I came out for Leave last Thursday morning. The banter increased. Now it's become a bit harder edged.
Shy Leavers. Get a piece ready for the weekend as to why the betting markets got it wrong.
Can anyone point me to a political party or pressure group that advocates the UK joining a federal EU/the euro/Schengen? I thought of the European Movement but their website is all referendum.
I have been asked to cast a proxy vote on Thursday, but I have not received a polling card for it. Do I need it to vote, and if not what do I need to prove my identity?
The 'about my vote' site doesn't seem to be at all clear on that.
"What happens after I’ve returned this form? n Your proxy must go to your polling station to vote on your behalf. n You should tell your proxy how you want them to vote on your behalf, for example, which candidate, party, or outcome. n Your local election office will tell your proxy when and where to vote on your behalf. n You will need to give your date of birth and signature on this application form. This information is needed to prevent fraud. If you are unable to sign this form, please contact your Electoral Registration Officer."
I suggested shy Leavers a few hours ag o as a factor in why the polls are neck and neck but Cameron publically shat himself to beg for mercy this afternoon.
I have come out for Leave. Reluctantly, having mulled it over for a long time. I despise a lot of what both sides have said, have basically ignored the debate and made my own conclusions from what I believe to be best and what I believe to be principles.
I have good friends who support all parties and none. We talk politics, we disagree amicably, there is some mild mockery, we agree to disagree. But not this time. Many of my friends are descending into a screaming hate filled rage on Facebook. The EU is the best thing ever. The leave camp are the worst kind of hatemongers. To air any deviant opinions is to pander to thugs and nazis. That I found that Farage poster repugnant (though defend their right in a free country to show it) doesn't matter. I have to side with Goldman Sachs Mark Carney George Osborne fucking George Soros. Or I am Neville Chamberlain. Marshal Petain.
I won't be the only one. Having huddled conversation in the office kitchen with the other Leave supporter because to not side with Jamie Dimon or the ECB is *wrong*. Amongst my peer group, Leave is dangerous. So we talk quietly. My close colleagues in my department know I am a Labour activist and councilor. There is good natured banter and also genuine questions as they know I know what's going on (I never ever impose my views). I came out for Leave last Thursday morning. The banter increased. Now it's become a bit harder edged.
Shy Leavers. Get a piece ready for the weekend as to why the betting markets got it wrong.
Don't be shy with your friends, if all they hear is an echo chamber telling them they are right they will agree with it. Try your best to convince your friends this is going down to the wire.
Thank you. And we have to remember this is a vote for the next few decades atleast not the next four years.
See the problems you get into when you try and use word to mean something other than its definition?
I wasn't talking to you. The person I was talking to was using the term to mean posted here.
It is a lazy shorthand, not some plot to cause offence and I find it remarkably tedious that people feel the need to argue about it. It is not, after all, discussing the wording of a treaty of great import, where precise terminology and interpretations might be key.
But no, you just want another pointless fight. Fill your boots, but not with me.
And if you have appropriated a word because you weren't smart enough to work out what it meant in the first place, can my legion of fans tell us what word we should now use when the accurate and appropriate word would be retweet in it's only definition?
Scott, I enjoy you linking to things on here with twitter, particularly as I am not on it, but I do not understand why you feel the need to insult people using what seems a perfectly adequate appropriated use of a word. By referencing them as retweets it is immediately apparent, even to people who have not seen your posts and whether they like the stlye or not, that you are not merely quoting someone or linking an article, you are linking to or quoting tweets.
It makes perfect sense in the context of this forum, can be used neutrally and not just as a pejorative, and is not the least bit confusing, since this is not twitter, so obviously it is not a literal retweet. So again, seizing upon a linguistical shorthand and acting like a cock about it, well, what's the bloody point?
You must go nuts over people talking about Netflix 'queues'. Why did computing appropriate a term whose original literal meaning was about people and objects? Gods, people are so stupid, aren't they Scott? Why do we use google as a generic term for using as a search engine, even if we are using bing (because we forgot to change the default)? Oh gods, according to the intenet an engine is a device that convers potential energy into mechanical work, why did we appropriate it to mean something like a search engine which is not mechanical?
You want to be a pedant? Sure, it's fun, but please don't pretend yours is an authoritative voice on when one is allowed to be a pedant or not, unless you want every single word you've ever used scrutinised and discover you are using words that used to mean other things, or were specific to other contexts - because there will be a lot of them, it's the joy of an
And before you use the tiresome quip about your 'fans' on me, please consider I defend the use of retweeting information on here all the damn time, I welcome it, but just because it irritates some people and you quite reasonably enjoy mocking people back for complaining about it, doesn't make insulting people's intelligence for using understandable shorthand less pompous.
I can count on one hand the number of times I've been irritated to such a degree on here. Your record would indicate you would welcome you have managed to do so so for me. You join a few obstreperous scottish nats and SeanT in managing to do so, and without even needing to get nasty, just pompous, quite a feat.
I look forward to seeing what people are saying on Twitter in the morning though - as I said, I'm not on there myself, so it's a way to get a feel for what's being said. Good night
I suggested shy Leavers a few hours ago as a factor in why the polls are neck and neck but Cameron publically shat himself to beg for mercy this afternoon.
I have come out for Leave. Reluctantly, having mulled it over for a long time. I despise a lot of what both sides have said, have basically ignored the debate and made my own conclusions from what I believe to be best and what I believe to be principles.
I have good friends who support all parties and none. We talk politics, we disagree amicably, there is some mild mockery, we agree to disagree. But not this time. Many of my friends are descending into a screaming hate filled rage on Facebook. The EU is the best thing ever. The leave camp are the worst kind of hatemongers. To air any deviant opinions is to pander to thugs and nazis. That I found that Farage poster repugnant (though defend their right in a free country to show it) doesn't matter. I have to side with Goldman Sachs Mark Carney George Osborne fucking George Soros. Or I am Neville Chamberlain. Marshal Petain.
I won't be the only one. Having huddled conversation in the office kitchen with the other Leave supporter because to not side with Jamie Dimon or the ECB is *wrong*. Amongst my peer group, Leave is dangerous. So we talk quietly. My close colleagues in my department know I am a Labour activist and councilor. There is good natured banter and also genuine questions as they know I know what's going on (I never ever impose my views). I came out for Leave last Thursday morning. The banter increased. Now it's become a bit harder edged.
Shy Leavers. Get a piece ready for the weekend as to why the betting markets got it wrong.
I'm mixed race, female, left-wing, a 19-year-old student - and yes, I really am voting for Brexit
We would do well to remember that the actual EU is a group of powerful bureaucrats stuffed inside a neo-liberal institution, who are poised to sign TTIP - the terrifying EU-US trade deal that threatens so much of what we stand for as a socialist country
Can anyone point me to a political party or pressure group that advocates the UK joining a federal EU/the euro/Schengen? I thought of the European Movement but their website is all referendum.
All the parties backing Remain are effectively backing the UK being part of a federal EU.
Can anyone point me to a political party or pressure group that advocates the UK joining a federal EU/the euro/Schengen? I thought of the European Movement but their website is all referendum.
All the parties backing Remain are effectively backing the UK being part of a federal EU.
No they aren't. I am totally confident that there would be a referendum again if we were still in the EU and this was going to happen.
Can anyone point me to a political party or pressure group that advocates the UK joining a federal EU/the euro/Schengen? I thought of the European Movement but their website is all referendum.
All the parties backing Remain are effectively backing the UK being part of a federal EU.
Yes, I understand that, but I'm looking for someone who's honest and open about it.
Can anyone point me to a political party or pressure group that advocates the UK joining a federal EU/the euro/Schengen? I thought of the European Movement but their website is all referendum.
All the parties backing Remain are effectively backing the UK being part of a federal EU.
No they aren't. I am totally confident that there would be a referendum again if we were still in the EU and this was going to happen.
You think that there would be another referendum and you are still voting remain? Masochist doesn't begin to describe it. Are you sure you are not looking for a more, eh, exotic site?
Can anyone point me to a political party or pressure group that advocates the UK joining a federal EU/the euro/Schengen? I thought of the European Movement but their website is all referendum.
All the parties backing Remain are effectively backing the UK being part of a federal EU.
No they aren't. I am totally confident that there would be a referendum again if we were still in the EU and this was going to happen.
The EU is already a state. The ECJ is already the UK's superior court.
Can anyone point me to a political party or pressure group that advocates the UK joining a federal EU/the euro/Schengen? I thought of the European Movement but their website is all referendum.
All the parties backing Remain are effectively backing the UK being part of a federal EU.
No they aren't. I am totally confident that there would be a referendum again if we were still in the EU and this was going to happen.
Are we not already in a federal EU? Where is the line in the sand where you would call this referendum?
Can anyone point me to a political party or pressure group that advocates the UK joining a federal EU/the euro/Schengen? I thought of the European Movement but their website is all referendum.
All the parties backing Remain are effectively backing the UK being part of a federal EU.
No they aren't. I am totally confident that there would be a referendum again if we were still in the EU and this was going to happen.
You think that there would be another referendum and you are still voting remain? Masochist doesn't begin to describe it. Are you sure you are not looking for a more, eh, exotic site?
I'm not sure where you got the impression I was voting remain?
Can anyone point me to a political party or pressure group that advocates the UK joining a federal EU/the euro/Schengen? I thought of the European Movement but their website is all referendum.
All the parties backing Remain are effectively backing the UK being part of a federal EU.
No they aren't. I am totally confident that there would be a referendum again if we were still in the EU and this was going to happen.
Are we not already in a federal EU? Where is the line in the sand where you would call this referendum?
Any further transfers of power from the UK parliament to the EU, as is the current law.
If only Boris had said 'we're not looking to set the number, we're fighting for the people of Britain to be able to do that!'
Gisela did that bit.
That must have gone over my head whilst despairing at the apparent flummoxedness of my team. Massive miss, imho, not to have had LEAVE jumping all over that. Boris could have said something like 'right back at ya, how's about 500,000 extra every year? Give us your number!' Would have been very effective and very true.
Can anyone point me to a political party or pressure group that advocates the UK joining a federal EU/the euro/Schengen? I thought of the European Movement but their website is all referendum.
All the parties backing Remain are effectively backing the UK being part of a federal EU.
No they aren't. I am totally confident that there would be a referendum again if we were still in the EU and this was going to happen.
You think that there would be another referendum and you are still voting remain? Masochist doesn't begin to describe it. Are you sure you are not looking for a more, eh, exotic site?
I'm not sure where you got the impression I was voting remain?
From your recent comments. Apologies if I misunderstood.
Can anyone point me to a political party or pressure group that advocates the UK joining a federal EU/the euro/Schengen? I thought of the European Movement but their website is all referendum.
All the parties backing Remain are effectively backing the UK being part of a federal EU.
No they aren't. I am totally confident that there would be a referendum again if we were still in the EU and this was going to happen.
You think that there would be another referendum and you are still voting remain? Masochist doesn't begin to describe it. Are you sure you are not looking for a more, eh, exotic site?
I'm not sure where you got the impression I was voting remain?
From your recent comments. Apologies if I misunderstood.
I'm wavering between abstaining and leave. Maybe you think abstaining is as good as voting remain though
The Times poll basically shows not much effect. Results not shown by others (from Sam Coates via the Guardian blog)::
How will you vote Remain 41% (-4) Leave 40% (-5) Not sure 8% (-2) (not clear where the other 11% went!)
This is the same sample that thought Leave won by 5 points. They started the evening on 45/45/10 (through deliberate selection, though some might have lied).
Can anyone point me to a political party or pressure group that advocates the UK joining a federal EU/the euro/Schengen? I thought of the European Movement but their website is all referendum.
All the parties backing Remain are effectively backing the UK being part of a federal EU.
Yes, I understand that, but I'm looking for someone who's honest and open about it.
The EPP had a 'four freedoms' party in the UK EU Parliament election, but I think they nominally say that the EU should delegate powers to member states.
Can anyone point me to a political party or pressure group that advocates the UK joining a federal EU/the euro/Schengen? I thought of the European Movement but their website is all referendum.
All the parties backing Remain are effectively backing the UK being part of a federal EU.
No they aren't. I am totally confident that there would be a referendum again if we were still in the EU and this was going to happen.
You think that there would be another referendum and you are still voting remain? Masochist doesn't begin to describe it. Are you sure you are not looking for a more, eh, exotic site?
I'm not sure where you got the impression I was voting remain?
From your recent comments. Apologies if I misunderstood.
I'm wavering between abstaining and leave. Maybe you think abstaining is as good as voting remain though
I'm not going to have to withdraw the whip am I from you in our new tory party....
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I have been asked to cast a proxy vote on Thursday, but I have not received a polling card for it. Do I need it to vote, and if not what do I need to prove my identity?
And if you have appropriated a word because you weren't smart enough to work out what it meant in the first place, can my legion of fans tell us what word we should now use when the accurate and appropriate word would be retweet in it's only definition?
But not as tragic as you joining the ranks of the imbecilic green-inkers who think it's witty to change someone's name to try to make a point. Bliar, Camoron, ZaNu Labour - and even the EUSSR.
And proud of it.
Unless of course you think that not only the Conservative Party rules but the UK constitution should be bent solely in order to promote a politician to a job. It might create a bit of a precedent.
https://next.ft.com/content/1e0b8ef0-37a1-11e6-a780-b48ed7b6126f
President Erdogan's chief advisor Ilnur Chevik tells #newsnight: "We thought Mr Cameron was our chief supporter in quest for EU membership"
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/745381803683364864
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NosKQSkzh54
https://www.quora.com/Why-on-most-mens-button-down-shirts-is-the-bottom-most-button-slit-horizontal-not-vertical-like-the-rest
Has sky news come out for Remain, yet?
Just bought the book for 99p on Kindle.
Vote LEAVE for your Monarch!
Great. You can get to poke the whole job lot of them in the eye with just one Leave X.....
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClgVEzMWEAE7t5T.jpg
She clearly hasn't heard of my idea to install her as Empress of Europe.....
It reminds me of the question posed many years ago as to why there is always a single teaspoon left in the sink when the washing up water is drained away. This resulted in many theories over a number of weeks in the Times letter pages.
Times / YouGov BBC Debate panel
Who performed best (choose 3)
Johnson 23%
Davidson 22%
Stuart 19%
Khan 19%
Leadsom 14%
O'Grady 5%
I didn't post it here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLpmj059JFA
I wouldn't be prepared to bet much either way but the similarities are uncanny. And Orwell acknowledged the debt that "1984" had to it.
No suprising anecdotes to report.
Your welcome!
I have come out for Leave. Reluctantly, having mulled it over for a long time. I despise a lot of what both sides have said, have basically ignored the debate and made my own conclusions from what I believe to be best and what I believe to be principles.
I have good friends who support all parties and none. We talk politics, we disagree amicably, there is some mild mockery, we agree to disagree. But not this time. Many of my friends are descending into a screaming hate filled rage on Facebook. The EU is the best thing ever. The leave camp are the worst kind of hatemongers. To air any deviant opinions is to pander to thugs and nazis. That I found that Farage poster repugnant (though defend their right in a free country to show it) doesn't matter. I have to side with Goldman Sachs Mark Carney George Osborne fucking George Soros. Or I am Neville Chamberlain. Marshal Petain.
I won't be the only one. Having huddled conversation in the office kitchen with the other Leave supporter because to not side with Jamie Dimon or the ECB is *wrong*. Amongst my peer group, Leave is dangerous. So we talk quietly. My close colleagues in my department know I am a Labour activist and councilor. There is good natured banter and also genuine questions as they know I know what's going on (I never ever impose my views). I came out for Leave last Thursday morning. The banter increased. Now it's become a bit harder edged.
Shy Leavers. Get a piece ready for the weekend as to why the betting markets got it wrong.
Actually hold on, we're way past the stage - ANYTHING that can be politicised in this EURef debate that CAN be politicised WILL be.
See the problems you get into when you try and use word to mean something other than its definition?
"What happens after I’ve returned
this form?
n Your proxy must go to your polling station to vote on your behalf.
n You should tell your proxy how you want them to vote on your behalf, for example, which candidate, party, or outcome.
n Your local election office will tell your proxy when and where to vote on your behalf.
n You will need to give your date of birth
and signature on this application form. This information is needed to prevent fraud. If you are unable to sign this form, please contact your Electoral Registration Officer."
http://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/how-do-i-vote/voting-by-proxy
Thank you. And we have to remember this is a vote for the next few decades atleast not the next four years.
It is a lazy shorthand, not some plot to cause offence and I find it remarkably tedious that people feel the need to argue about it. It is not, after all, discussing the wording of a treaty of great import, where precise terminology and interpretations might be key.
But no, you just want another pointless fight. Fill your boots, but not with me.
It makes perfect sense in the context of this forum, can be used neutrally and not just as a pejorative, and is not the least bit confusing, since this is not twitter, so obviously it is not a literal retweet. So again, seizing upon a linguistical shorthand and acting like a cock about it, well, what's the bloody point?
You must go nuts over people talking about Netflix 'queues'. Why did computing appropriate a term whose original literal meaning was about people and objects? Gods, people are so stupid, aren't they Scott? Why do we use google as a generic term for using as a search engine, even if we are using bing (because we forgot to change the default)? Oh gods, according to the intenet an engine is a device that convers potential energy into mechanical work, why did we appropriate it to mean something like a search engine which is not mechanical?
You want to be a pedant? Sure, it's fun, but please don't pretend yours is an authoritative voice on when one is allowed to be a pedant or not, unless you want every single word you've ever used scrutinised and discover you are using words that used to mean other things, or were specific to other contexts - because there will be a lot of them, it's the joy of an
And before you use the tiresome quip about your 'fans' on me, please consider I defend the use of retweeting information on here all the damn time, I welcome it, but just because it irritates some people and you quite reasonably enjoy mocking people back for complaining about it, doesn't make insulting people's intelligence for using understandable shorthand less pompous.
I can count on one hand the number of times I've been irritated to such a degree on here. Your record would indicate you would welcome you have managed to do so so for me. You join a few obstreperous scottish nats and SeanT in managing to do so, and without even needing to get nasty, just pompous, quite a feat.
I look forward to seeing what people are saying on Twitter in the morning though - as I said, I'm not on there myself, so it's a way to get a feel for what's being said. Good night
But I have no doubt there are shy remainers too.
The reality star questioned whether the German-born MP should be able to 'tell British people what to do'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/eu-referendum-lord-sugar-accused-of-racism-over-blasting-immigrant-gisela-stuarts-brexit-call-a7094516.html
We would do well to remember that the actual EU is a group of powerful bureaucrats stuffed inside a neo-liberal institution, who are poised to sign TTIP - the terrifying EU-US trade deal that threatens so much of what we stand for as a socialist country
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/im-mixed-race-female-left-wing-and-a-student-and-yes-i-really-am-voting-for-brexit-a7093221.html
Certain to vote remain 52% leave 48%
How will you vote Remain 41% (-4) Leave 40% (-5) Not sure 8% (-2)
(not clear where the other 11% went!)
This is the same sample that thought Leave won by 5 points. They started the evening on 45/45/10 (through deliberate selection, though some might have lied).
What do don't knows think
(*tiny* sample of 115)
Who won?
R 38%
L 45%
DK 17%
How will you vote?
R 11%
L 16%
DK 73%
Meh.
http://www.epp.eu
The EU Commission perhaps?