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  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,040
    DavidL said:

    Ruth vs Labour. Well we know how that goes.

    Given she sides with lying scum how could you possibly vote for her.

  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,579
    This is getting very American! Ruth politicising her service.
  • The Brexit betting markets are holding rock solid this evening - that's probably because no new polls are expected.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    edited June 2016
    kle4 said:

    Someone just hit the 'fire up Khan' button, but Stuart shot it down easily. She's been a revelation for me.

    Tbf 'fired-up Khan' has similar properties to the Hindenburg. (Impressive at first sight, but is easily transformed into a flaming wreck, harming all it is supposed to support.)
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,812
    SeanT said:

    Gisela v Ruth

    Gisela hasn't read the deal (or the Annexes, @Richard_Tyndall)
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,812
    Ooohh

    Didn't know Ruth is ex-HMF.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,918
    Chameleon said:

    kle4 said:

    Someone just hit the 'fire up Khan' button, but Stuart shot it down easily. She's been a revelation for me.

    Tbf 'fired-up Khan' has the same strength as the Hindenburg.
    Can we just press the 'fire' button?
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    MikeL said:

    chestnut said:

    DeClare said:

    2-0 to Turkey! NI looking very good now.

    If the Turks win 4-0 would they will be a better third placed team than NI?
    If Croatia nick a goal against Spain then Spain end up playing Italy in the next round.
    If that happens all the big teams will be in the same half:

    Already Germany, Italy, France, England in one half - if Spain come 2nd they go in that half as well.
    The Croatians look good to me. They aren't even playing Modric tonight.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @ShippersUnbound: Ruth kicks Boris in the Balkans
  • Someone I know well who was voting remain has just contacted me to say that the rubbish from remain in tbe BBC event has made him decide to vote out.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,040
    Sell Leadsom. Buy Ruth.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,122
    In style Leadsom reminds me of an inferior UK version of Carly Fiorina.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,376
    edited June 2016
    kle4 said:



    In football, what is the point of those extra refs on the goalline? They never spot anything that happens.

    In England vs Australia I note Nigel Owens was being used on the touchline (rugby) - obviously he is a top notch referee. Are the officials behind the goal line in the football actually proper referees to the same standard as the ref ?
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @SouthamObserver

    'Boris just isn't very good. He's going to be a dreadful Prime Minister.'

    That's your partisan view.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,812
    That is a barefaced lie from Leadsom.

    The Five Presidents' Report excludes non-eurozone members.

    I mean if that is what Leave is pushing, and what the Leave fans believe, well good luck to them.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,402
    It might as well have been the three leavers vs Davidson. The other two are woeful.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,735
    SeanT said:

    Gisela v Ruth

    It's like at school with one really good kid on each team, carrying along the others.

    Leave have the best overall squad, Leadsom's ok and Boris has moments of brilliance, but Davidson and Stuart are leagues above them tonight.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,088

    Barnesian said:

    Mortimer said:

    Barnesian said:

    Mortimer said:

    I'm really standing by the Turkey issue - until and unless the British government stop supporting Turkish entry, it says the British government want Turkey in the EU.

    A country has to adopt and enforce all the current EU rules before it can be admitted to the bloc. EU rules are divided into 35 policy areas and in 10 years Turkey only managed to adopt the rules on one: science and research. In most other areas it has not even made a start.
    Even more argument not to support their entry.
    Quite. Turkey is moving away from EU conditions not towards them. There is no question Turkey joining the EU in our lifetime. It is a non-issue but promoted by the Leave side as a frightener.
    You are of course correct that Turkey is not currently heading in a European direction.

    "In our lifetime" is a bit extreme - depends how soon you are planning to die, I suppose, but Bulgaria and Romania came into the EU despite many failings and naysayers saying that it would take decades given their corruption and poor legal and democratic structures. Heck, there were 15 years between the fall of the Berlin Wall and communist rule over East Europe, and Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Poland, Slovakia, and Slovenia joining the EU. There is a similar timeframe between the Spanish Francoists, the Portuguese Estado Novo and the Greek colonels, and those countries joining the EEC.

    Given a change in electoral direction, and 10 years of Post-Erdoganism, it's hardly inconceivable that Turkey could join the EU.

    If EU types want us to believe that Turkey is a non-issue, they should quit saying how much they support Turkish membership in the long run, and quit their silly pretences of progressing accession negotiations in exchange for Turkish cooperation over e.g. the migrant crisis. (Frankly I'd much rather the EU stood up for the democracy and human rights its supporters claim are oh so special to them, and tell Erdogan he's being a dictatorial little **** and accession is shelved until he sorts out his treatment of journalists, political opponents and ethnic minorities. But fat chance of that.)
    I'm quite old so 20 years max.

    I very much agree with your last para.



  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,255
    How did Sadiq become Mayor of London?
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,040
    Mortimer said:

    For the sake of the Irish? What rot.

    A lot of Irish votes up for grabs in this referendum.

  • BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    kle4 said:

    SeanT said:

    Leadsom grinning as smugly as Osborne on a bad day.

    F*cks like you are the reason we are here. If you had allowed a vote on the EU Constitution we would have stalled EU integration, and we wouldn't be faced with this hideous binary decision.

    Do you now realise this?
    You actually like this referendum and wish we'd had it sooner? There speaks a torture porn author.
    The referendum has been awful, but we need to have this debate - clearly 50% of people want to leave, what good comes from ignoring that rather than taking it on?
    The referendum has been awful because of the people making the case. The 1975 one was, I am told, much more civilised.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Diane James is a rather good spokesperson.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Has Saqid been watching EdM debate videos? He's got almost exactly the same manner.
  • GravitationGravitation Posts: 287
    edited June 2016
    Audience seems pretty evenly split. Khan accusing leave of scaremongering didn't go down well though.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,376
    I'm watching the football now, like a normal person would :p
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,735
    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:



    In football, what is the point of those extra refs on the goalline? They never spot anything that happens.

    In England vs Australia I note Nigel Owens was being used on the touchline (rugby) - obviously he is a top notch referee. Are the officials behind the goal line in the football actually proper referees to the same standard as the ref ?
    A good question - if they are, they don't show it. Fouls, goals, anything, they never spot it.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,402
    edited June 2016

    How did Sadiq become Mayor of London?

    Labour-trending city and poor opponent with disastrous campaign.
  • midwintermidwinter Posts: 1,112

    It might as well have been the three leavers vs Davidson. The other two are woeful.

    Yep. Fortunately she's awesome
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,812
    Pulpstar said:

    I'm watching the football now, like a normal person would :p

    Ooh. How does it feel?
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,040
    john_zims said:

    @SouthamObserver

    'Boris just isn't very good. He's going to be a dreadful Prime Minister.'

    That's your partisan view.

    It certainly is.

  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Mortimer said:

    Ruth Davidson is a wonderful orator. But I just know my father is going to say 'she's wagging her finger at me, just like that bladdy Miliband'.

    As wonderful as any student union leader. Bellowing random slogans. Totally useless in other words...

  • GravitationGravitation Posts: 287
    Tim Farron really does try doesn't he, bless.
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658

    Someone I know well who was voting remain has just contacted me to say that the rubbish from remain in tbe BBC event has made him decide to vote out.

    There can't be many people you know voting voting remain left! I'm sure you'll find an extra couple before Thursday though.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    How did Sadiq become Mayor of London?

    Zac was even worse
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited June 2016
    To be honest, most of the people in the backstage bit are better than half the people on the main debate stage.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    Leave should have got Theo Paphitis on the panel.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,812
    RodCrosby said:

    Mortimer said:

    Ruth Davidson is a wonderful orator. But I just know my father is going to say 'she's wagging her finger at me, just like that bladdy Miliband'.

    As wonderful as any student union leader. Bellowing random slogans. Totally useless in other words...

    And yet not telling shameful lies.

    It's much more difficult if you have to tell the truth.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,735
    Sorry Tories, the Tory recovery in Scotland is still not cemented, Ruth Davidson will not be pried away from completing her job there I imagine.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,817

    Mortimer said:

    For the sake of the Irish? What rot.

    A lot of Irish votes up for grabs in this referendum.

    Yes my brother and I are voting Leave :-)
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Boris just isn't very good. He's going to be a dreadful Prime Minister.

    Would you care for a modest wager, Mr. Observer? Not on whether he will be a dreadful prime minister, but that he will ever be prime minister. A bottle of something nice or a few tenners to the winner's favourite charity, nothing excessive. What say you?
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,202
    Danny565 said:

    Diane James is a rather good spokesperson.

    It she was UKIP leader they'd be doing much better.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,857
    Pulpstar said:

    I'm watching the football now, like a normal person would :p

    I'm multi tasking

    Debate on the telly, cricket on the iPad and footy on the iPhone
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,121

    Chameleon said:

    Think the Leave side has now overused the Take back control meme - they're using it robotically in almost very round and the audience is starting to giggle.

    Yup, I expect that they're hoping that TBC is rattling round people's heads as they enter the booth.
    I think you're right that that's the intention.

    Boris seems a bit quiet!
    Boris and Khan both seem measured and not overly anxious to take over, even though they are undoubtedly the A listers, and know it.

    Ruth and Gisela are very good.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,812
    Tony Parsons???!!!

    Why isn't @SeanT on there if they have him on?
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,918
    kle4 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:



    In football, what is the point of those extra refs on the goalline? They never spot anything that happens.

    In England vs Australia I note Nigel Owens was being used on the touchline (rugby) - obviously he is a top notch referee. Are the officials behind the goal line in the football actually proper referees to the same standard as the ref ?
    A good question - if they are, they don't show it. Fouls, goals, anything, they never spot it.
    Hopefully they're not Prem linos, they're laughably bad.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    RodCrosby said:

    Mortimer said:

    Ruth Davidson is a wonderful orator. But I just know my father is going to say 'she's wagging her finger at me, just like that bladdy Miliband'.

    As wonderful as any student union leader. Bellowing random slogans. Totally useless in other words...

    Ridiculously overrated.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,040

    Mortimer said:

    For the sake of the Irish? What rot.

    A lot of Irish votes up for grabs in this referendum.

    Yes my brother and I are voting Leave :-)

    God bless you both.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,735
    Pulpstar said:

    I'm watching the football now, like a normal person would :p

    I heard booing when Boris was talking and was astounded - but it was the crowd noise from Croatia Spain on the big screen. You have to multitask.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,376
    TOPPING said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I'm watching the football now, like a normal person would :p

    Ooh. How does it feel?
    I'll check how the debate went in the spin room later. No doubt it will have been wonderful for both sides.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,579
    kle4 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:



    In football, what is the point of those extra refs on the goalline? They never spot anything that happens.

    In England vs Australia I note Nigel Owens was being used on the touchline (rugby) - obviously he is a top notch referee. Are the officials behind the goal line in the football actually proper referees to the same standard as the ref ?
    A good question - if they are, they don't show it. Fouls, goals, anything, they never spot it.
    The extra goal line officials are indeed referees. And yes, they are next to useless. Someone needs to tell UEFA that Platini has gone and is never coming back.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    Farron should be on the stage. He could carry the entire LD vote. Both of them.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,735
    kle4 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I'm watching the football now, like a normal person would :p

    I heard booing when Boris was talking and was astounded - but it was the crowd noise from Croatia Spain on the big screen. You have to multitask.
    And is cricinfo right, Chris Woakes of all people as 77 off 82 balls, and only 3 boundaries in all that?!
  • Goodnight and over and out. Time for a bath
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    kle4 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I'm watching the football now, like a normal person would :p

    I heard booing when Boris was talking and was astounded - but it was the crowd noise from Croatia Spain on the big screen. You have to multitask.
    :smiley:
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Sell Leadsom. Buy Ruth.

    She's not coming down [yet]. Buy her candidate: Stephen Crabb.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,735

    Audience seems pretty evenly split. Khan accusing leave of scaremongering didn't go down well though.

    Well even if true it's at best hypocritical.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    Pulp star

    Most voters watching the footie - Remain and Leave. Great finish in the group. If Croatia win it's Spain vs Italy in the last 16, and if Turkey fail to score twice more, NI are through......
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    kle4 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:



    In football, what is the point of those extra refs on the goalline? They never spot anything that happens.

    In England vs Australia I note Nigel Owens was being used on the touchline (rugby) - obviously he is a top notch referee. Are the officials behind the goal line in the football actually proper referees to the same standard as the ref ?
    A good question - if they are, they don't show it. Fouls, goals, anything, they never spot it.
    I think they just communicate with the ref over the headsets. The stick they hold is AIUI a buzzer to get the ref's attention.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,735

    kle4 said:

    SeanT said:

    Leadsom grinning as smugly as Osborne on a bad day.

    F*cks like you are the reason we are here. If you had allowed a vote on the EU Constitution we would have stalled EU integration, and we wouldn't be faced with this hideous binary decision.

    Do you now realise this?
    You actually like this referendum and wish we'd had it sooner? There speaks a torture porn author.
    The referendum has been awful, but we need to have this debate - clearly 50% of people want to leave, what good comes from ignoring that rather than taking it on?
    The referendum has been awful because of the people making the case. The 1975 one was, I am told, much more civilised.
    Well, older people always say that, don't they? :)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,122
    Good pitch from Caroline Lucas, co-opting the 'take back control' slogan.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    DeClare said:

    2-0 to Turkey! NI looking very good now.

    If the Turks win 4-0 would they will be a better third placed team than NI?
    That's right. NI ten minutes from history. Thanks to sublime goalkeeping earlier!
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    edited June 2016
    @foxinsoxuk

    'A proposal to let in Turkey without meeting all the criteria would be a very clear reason for veto, not even a controversial one.'


    There was no veto when several of the countries that joined the Euro failed to meet the basic requirements.

    When the French & Dutch rejected the EU constitution the EU just changed the name of the document.

    If Brussels want Turkey in the EU you know perfectly well they will find a way, whether that be watering down the conditions or finding a way around a possible veto.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,817

    Mortimer said:

    For the sake of the Irish? What rot.

    A lot of Irish votes up for grabs in this referendum.

    Yes my brother and I are voting Leave :-)

    God bless you both.

    Why not vote Leave yourself ? You know deep down youre not really with the privileged posh boys. Come join the workers :-)
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    The young lady representing Women for Britain is very good.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,812

    Sell Leadsom. Buy Ruth.

    She's not coming down [yet]. Buy her candidate: Stephen Crabb.
    I'm on Ruth as next Cons leader at 18/1, which I realise is not actually possible.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,040
    Not a gamechanger. We all heard our own side more than the other one. On that basis, good for Leave.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,121

    Pulpstar said:

    I'm watching the football now, like a normal person would :p

    I'm multi tasking

    Debate on the telly, cricket on the iPad and footy on the iPhone
    Shit...I forgot the cricket was on. I'm watching both footie matches with the debate on bluetooth.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,735
    Feel you'd want Ruth closing for you, not opening, so as to leave lasting impression.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Davidson: unless we have a crystal ball we can't Leave.

    cobblers.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,812

    Mortimer said:

    For the sake of the Irish? What rot.

    A lot of Irish votes up for grabs in this referendum.

    Yes my brother and I are voting Leave :-)

    God bless you both.

    Why not vote Leave yourself ? You know deep down youre not really with the privileged posh boys. Come join the workers :-)
    You could ask Bernard Matthews to be your shop steward.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264

    Not a gamechanger. We all heard our own side more than the other one. On that basis, good for Leave.

    Not sure about that. Remain were ahead. Still will be.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited June 2016

    How did Sadiq become Mayor of London?

    Because the Tories turned it into a vote on whether London was racist or not.

    As I said all along, if they'd refrained from that tactic, and just made Sadiq rely on his (questionable) political talents of his own, the Tories may have done rather better.
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    AnneJGP said:

    SeanT said:

    Zingers from Farron and Wollaston - better than the main Remain speakers so far.

    Wollaston is a traitor.
    Nothing wrong with changing your mind.
    I think politicians should more often admit to errors.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    Anyone know the history between Ruth and Boris. Apparently she loathes him
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,024
    Ruth no match for Boris.
    Sadiq no match for Gisela.
    Frances no match for Andrea.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,040

    Mortimer said:

    For the sake of the Irish? What rot.

    A lot of Irish votes up for grabs in this referendum.

    Yes my brother and I are voting Leave :-)

    God bless you both.

    Why not vote Leave yourself ? You know deep down youre not really with the privileged posh boys. Come join the workers :-)

    Ha, ha. Very good ;-)

  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Boris: this (Leave) is our finest hour...
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,402
    Woah. Ovation for Boris.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,743
    Quite powerful by Boris.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,817
    TOPPING said:

    Mortimer said:

    For the sake of the Irish? What rot.

    A lot of Irish votes up for grabs in this referendum.

    Yes my brother and I are voting Leave :-)

    God bless you both.

    Why not vote Leave yourself ? You know deep down youre not really with the privileged posh boys. Come join the workers :-)
    You could ask Bernard Matthews to be your shop steward.
    Nothing wrong with a good Union guy, they keep the management on their toes.
  • GravitationGravitation Posts: 287
    Gosh, huge cheers for Boris and a standing ovation (from some). I thought Ruth had big cheers.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:



    In football, what is the point of those extra refs on the goalline? They never spot anything that happens.

    In England vs Australia I note Nigel Owens was being used on the touchline (rugby) - obviously he is a top notch referee. Are the officials behind the goal line in the football actually proper referees to the same standard as the ref ?
    Yes, all the officials, six in total. are qualified referees. They come as a team, all from the same country, I would guess for reasons of familiarity and communication.
    http://www.uefa.org/protecting-the-game/refereeing/news/newsid=2338168.html
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,812
    Danny565 said:

    How did Sadiq become Mayor of London?

    Because the Tories turned it into a vote on whether London was racist or not.

    As I said all along, if they'd refrained from that tactic, and just made Sadiq rely on his (questionable) political talents of his own, the Tories may have done rather better.
    Not with Zac. He lost it for me when in the Standard's "My London" he said his local Londis was his favourite shop.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Croatia go 2-1 up.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Jobabob said:

    Anyone know the history between Ruth and Boris. Apparently she loathes him

    https://twitter.com/RuthDavidsonMSP/status/706417220608466945
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,202
    geoffw said:

    Ruth no match for Boris.
    Sadiq no match for Gisela.
    Frances no match for Andrea.

    Yeh - sums it up, Boris is Teflon despite Ruth's oratory.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    Woah. Ovation for Boris.

    I just got goose bumps!!!
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    Yessssssssss!!!!!!

    Croatia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,907
    Ovation for Boris! :open_mouth:
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,211
    Jobabob said:

    Anyone know the history between Ruth and Boris. Apparently she loathes him

    She apparently has said she will divorce Scots Cons from the party if he becomes PM
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,735
    SeanT said:

    BORIS WINS THE END BIT

    Easily.

    Boris was made for end bits, far more than he is for the rest of the debates.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Wow, Croatia!
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    Spain v Italy!
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,402
    Can we all agree on one thing?

    After Thursday can we ditch Dimblebore?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,579

    Jobabob said:

    Anyone know the history between Ruth and Boris. Apparently she loathes him

    She apparently has said she will divorce Scots Cons from the party if he becomes PM
    Can she take the whole country with her?
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,121
    Get i n Croatia
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    kle4 said:

    SeanT said:

    BORIS WINS THE END BIT

    Easily.

    Boris was made for end bits, far more than he is for the rest of the debates.
    TBH Boris is made for the highlight reels more than to watch thoroughly.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,918
    The tippy-tappy Tapas boys are going out to Italy in the next round. lol! Go Italy!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,122
    GIN1138 said:

    Ovation for Boris! :open_mouth:

    He could change the course of history just on the basis of a career calculation.
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