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Given she sides with lying scum how could you possibly vote for her.DavidL said:Ruth vs Labour. Well we know how that goes.
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This is getting very American! Ruth politicising her service.0
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The Brexit betting markets are holding rock solid this evening - that's probably because no new polls are expected.0
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Tbf 'fired-up Khan' has similar properties to the Hindenburg. (Impressive at first sight, but is easily transformed into a flaming wreck, harming all it is supposed to support.)kle4 said:Someone just hit the 'fire up Khan' button, but Stuart shot it down easily. She's been a revelation for me.
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Gisela hasn't read the deal (or the Annexes, @Richard_Tyndall)SeanT said:Gisela v Ruth
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Didn't know Ruth is ex-HMF.0 -
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The Croatians look good to me. They aren't even playing Modric tonight.MikeL said:
If that happens all the big teams will be in the same half:chestnut said:
If Croatia nick a goal against Spain then Spain end up playing Italy in the next round.DeClare said:
If the Turks win 4-0 would they will be a better third placed team than NI?ThreeQuidder said:2-0 to Turkey! NI looking very good now.
Already Germany, Italy, France, England in one half - if Spain come 2nd they go in that half as well.0 -
@ShippersUnbound: Ruth kicks Boris in the Balkans0
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Someone I know well who was voting remain has just contacted me to say that the rubbish from remain in tbe BBC event has made him decide to vote out.0
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Sell Leadsom. Buy Ruth.0
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In style Leadsom reminds me of an inferior UK version of Carly Fiorina.0
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In England vs Australia I note Nigel Owens was being used on the touchline (rugby) - obviously he is a top notch referee. Are the officials behind the goal line in the football actually proper referees to the same standard as the ref ?kle4 said:
In football, what is the point of those extra refs on the goalline? They never spot anything that happens.0 -
@SouthamObserver
'Boris just isn't very good. He's going to be a dreadful Prime Minister.'
That's your partisan view.
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That is a barefaced lie from Leadsom.
The Five Presidents' Report excludes non-eurozone members.
I mean if that is what Leave is pushing, and what the Leave fans believe, well good luck to them.0 -
It might as well have been the three leavers vs Davidson. The other two are woeful.0
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I'm quite old so 20 years max.MyBurningEars said:
You are of course correct that Turkey is not currently heading in a European direction.Barnesian said:
Quite. Turkey is moving away from EU conditions not towards them. There is no question Turkey joining the EU in our lifetime. It is a non-issue but promoted by the Leave side as a frightener.Mortimer said:
Even more argument not to support their entry.Barnesian said:
A country has to adopt and enforce all the current EU rules before it can be admitted to the bloc. EU rules are divided into 35 policy areas and in 10 years Turkey only managed to adopt the rules on one: science and research. In most other areas it has not even made a start.Mortimer said:I'm really standing by the Turkey issue - until and unless the British government stop supporting Turkish entry, it says the British government want Turkey in the EU.
"In our lifetime" is a bit extreme - depends how soon you are planning to die, I suppose, but Bulgaria and Romania came into the EU despite many failings and naysayers saying that it would take decades given their corruption and poor legal and democratic structures. Heck, there were 15 years between the fall of the Berlin Wall and communist rule over East Europe, and Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Poland, Slovakia, and Slovenia joining the EU. There is a similar timeframe between the Spanish Francoists, the Portuguese Estado Novo and the Greek colonels, and those countries joining the EEC.
Given a change in electoral direction, and 10 years of Post-Erdoganism, it's hardly inconceivable that Turkey could join the EU.
If EU types want us to believe that Turkey is a non-issue, they should quit saying how much they support Turkish membership in the long run, and quit their silly pretences of progressing accession negotiations in exchange for Turkish cooperation over e.g. the migrant crisis. (Frankly I'd much rather the EU stood up for the democracy and human rights its supporters claim are oh so special to them, and tell Erdogan he's being a dictatorial little **** and accession is shelved until he sorts out his treatment of journalists, political opponents and ethnic minorities. But fat chance of that.)
I very much agree with your last para.
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How did Sadiq become Mayor of London?0
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A lot of Irish votes up for grabs in this referendum.Mortimer said:For the sake of the Irish? What rot.
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The referendum has been awful because of the people making the case. The 1975 one was, I am told, much more civilised.kle4 said:
The referendum has been awful, but we need to have this debate - clearly 50% of people want to leave, what good comes from ignoring that rather than taking it on?NickPalmer said:
You actually like this referendum and wish we'd had it sooner? There speaks a torture porn author.SeanT said:
F*cks like you are the reason we are here. If you had allowed a vote on the EU Constitution we would have stalled EU integration, and we wouldn't be faced with this hideous binary decision.NickPalmer said:Leadsom grinning as smugly as Osborne on a bad day.
Do you now realise this?0 -
Diane James is a rather good spokesperson.0
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Has Saqid been watching EdM debate videos? He's got almost exactly the same manner.0
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Audience seems pretty evenly split. Khan accusing leave of scaremongering didn't go down well though.0
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I'm watching the football now, like a normal person would
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A good question - if they are, they don't show it. Fouls, goals, anything, they never spot it.Pulpstar said:
In England vs Australia I note Nigel Owens was being used on the touchline (rugby) - obviously he is a top notch referee. Are the officials behind the goal line in the football actually proper referees to the same standard as the ref ?kle4 said:
In football, what is the point of those extra refs on the goalline? They never spot anything that happens.0 -
Labour-trending city and poor opponent with disastrous campaign.Gallowgate said:How did Sadiq become Mayor of London?
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Yep. Fortunately she's awesomenumbertwelve said:It might as well have been the three leavers vs Davidson. The other two are woeful.
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It certainly is.john_zims said:@SouthamObserver
'Boris just isn't very good. He's going to be a dreadful Prime Minister.'
That's your partisan view.
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Tim Farron really does try doesn't he, bless.0
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There can't be many people you know voting voting remain left! I'm sure you'll find an extra couple before Thursday though.Paul_Bedfordshire said:Someone I know well who was voting remain has just contacted me to say that the rubbish from remain in tbe BBC event has made him decide to vote out.
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Zac was even worseGallowgate said:How did Sadiq become Mayor of London?
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To be honest, most of the people in the backstage bit are better than half the people on the main debate stage.0
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Leave should have got Theo Paphitis on the panel.0
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And yet not telling shameful lies.RodCrosby said:
As wonderful as any student union leader. Bellowing random slogans. Totally useless in other words...Mortimer said:Ruth Davidson is a wonderful orator. But I just know my father is going to say 'she's wagging her finger at me, just like that bladdy Miliband'.
It's much more difficult if you have to tell the truth.0 -
Sorry Tories, the Tory recovery in Scotland is still not cemented, Ruth Davidson will not be pried away from completing her job there I imagine.0
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Yes my brother and I are voting Leave :-)SouthamObserver said:
A lot of Irish votes up for grabs in this referendum.Mortimer said:For the sake of the Irish? What rot.
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Would you care for a modest wager, Mr. Observer? Not on whether he will be a dreadful prime minister, but that he will ever be prime minister. A bottle of something nice or a few tenners to the winner's favourite charity, nothing excessive. What say you?SouthamObserver said:Boris just isn't very good. He's going to be a dreadful Prime Minister.
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I'm multi taskingPulpstar said:I'm watching the football now, like a normal person would
Debate on the telly, cricket on the iPad and footy on the iPhone0 -
Boris and Khan both seem measured and not overly anxious to take over, even though they are undoubtedly the A listers, and know it.NickPalmer said:
I think you're right that that's the intention.Chameleon said:
Yup, I expect that they're hoping that TBC is rattling round people's heads as they enter the booth.NickPalmer said:Think the Leave side has now overused the Take back control meme - they're using it robotically in almost very round and the audience is starting to giggle.
Boris seems a bit quiet!
Ruth and Gisela are very good.
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Hopefully they're not Prem linos, they're laughably bad.kle4 said:
A good question - if they are, they don't show it. Fouls, goals, anything, they never spot it.Pulpstar said:
In England vs Australia I note Nigel Owens was being used on the touchline (rugby) - obviously he is a top notch referee. Are the officials behind the goal line in the football actually proper referees to the same standard as the ref ?kle4 said:
In football, what is the point of those extra refs on the goalline? They never spot anything that happens.0 -
Ridiculously overrated.RodCrosby said:
As wonderful as any student union leader. Bellowing random slogans. Totally useless in other words...Mortimer said:Ruth Davidson is a wonderful orator. But I just know my father is going to say 'she's wagging her finger at me, just like that bladdy Miliband'.
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God bless you both.Alanbrooke said:
Yes my brother and I are voting Leave :-)SouthamObserver said:
A lot of Irish votes up for grabs in this referendum.Mortimer said:For the sake of the Irish? What rot.
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The extra goal line officials are indeed referees. And yes, they are next to useless. Someone needs to tell UEFA that Platini has gone and is never coming back.kle4 said:
A good question - if they are, they don't show it. Fouls, goals, anything, they never spot it.Pulpstar said:
In England vs Australia I note Nigel Owens was being used on the touchline (rugby) - obviously he is a top notch referee. Are the officials behind the goal line in the football actually proper referees to the same standard as the ref ?kle4 said:
In football, what is the point of those extra refs on the goalline? They never spot anything that happens.0 -
Farron should be on the stage. He could carry the entire LD vote. Both of them.0
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And is cricinfo right, Chris Woakes of all people as 77 off 82 balls, and only 3 boundaries in all that?!kle4 said:
I heard booing when Boris was talking and was astounded - but it was the crowd noise from Croatia Spain on the big screen. You have to multitask.Pulpstar said:I'm watching the football now, like a normal person would
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Goodnight and over and out. Time for a bath0
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She's not coming down [yet]. Buy her candidate: Stephen Crabb.SouthamObserver said:Sell Leadsom. Buy Ruth.
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Well even if true it's at best hypocritical.Gravitation said:Audience seems pretty evenly split. Khan accusing leave of scaremongering didn't go down well though.
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Pulp star
Most voters watching the footie - Remain and Leave. Great finish in the group. If Croatia win it's Spain vs Italy in the last 16, and if Turkey fail to score twice more, NI are through......0 -
I think they just communicate with the ref over the headsets. The stick they hold is AIUI a buzzer to get the ref's attention.kle4 said:
A good question - if they are, they don't show it. Fouls, goals, anything, they never spot it.Pulpstar said:
In England vs Australia I note Nigel Owens was being used on the touchline (rugby) - obviously he is a top notch referee. Are the officials behind the goal line in the football actually proper referees to the same standard as the ref ?kle4 said:
In football, what is the point of those extra refs on the goalline? They never spot anything that happens.0 -
Well, older people always say that, don't they?BenedictWhite said:
The referendum has been awful because of the people making the case. The 1975 one was, I am told, much more civilised.kle4 said:
The referendum has been awful, but we need to have this debate - clearly 50% of people want to leave, what good comes from ignoring that rather than taking it on?NickPalmer said:
You actually like this referendum and wish we'd had it sooner? There speaks a torture porn author.SeanT said:
F*cks like you are the reason we are here. If you had allowed a vote on the EU Constitution we would have stalled EU integration, and we wouldn't be faced with this hideous binary decision.NickPalmer said:Leadsom grinning as smugly as Osborne on a bad day.
Do you now realise this?
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Good pitch from Caroline Lucas, co-opting the 'take back control' slogan.0
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That's right. NI ten minutes from history. Thanks to sublime goalkeeping earlier!DeClare said:
If the Turks win 4-0 would they will be a better third placed team than NI?ThreeQuidder said:2-0 to Turkey! NI looking very good now.
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@foxinsoxuk
'A proposal to let in Turkey without meeting all the criteria would be a very clear reason for veto, not even a controversial one.'
There was no veto when several of the countries that joined the Euro failed to meet the basic requirements.
When the French & Dutch rejected the EU constitution the EU just changed the name of the document.
If Brussels want Turkey in the EU you know perfectly well they will find a way, whether that be watering down the conditions or finding a way around a possible veto.0 -
Why not vote Leave yourself ? You know deep down youre not really with the privileged posh boys. Come join the workers :-)SouthamObserver said:
God bless you both.Alanbrooke said:
Yes my brother and I are voting Leave :-)SouthamObserver said:
A lot of Irish votes up for grabs in this referendum.Mortimer said:For the sake of the Irish? What rot.
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The young lady representing Women for Britain is very good.0
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I'm on Ruth as next Cons leader at 18/1, which I realise is not actually possible.Tissue_Price said:
She's not coming down [yet]. Buy her candidate: Stephen Crabb.SouthamObserver said:Sell Leadsom. Buy Ruth.
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Not a gamechanger. We all heard our own side more than the other one. On that basis, good for Leave.0
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Shit...I forgot the cricket was on. I'm watching both footie matches with the debate on bluetooth.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm multi taskingPulpstar said:I'm watching the football now, like a normal person would
Debate on the telly, cricket on the iPad and footy on the iPhone
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Feel you'd want Ruth closing for you, not opening, so as to leave lasting impression.0
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Davidson: unless we have a crystal ball we can't Leave.
cobblers.0 -
You could ask Bernard Matthews to be your shop steward.Alanbrooke said:
Why not vote Leave yourself ? You know deep down youre not really with the privileged posh boys. Come join the workers :-)SouthamObserver said:
God bless you both.Alanbrooke said:
Yes my brother and I are voting Leave :-)SouthamObserver said:
A lot of Irish votes up for grabs in this referendum.Mortimer said:For the sake of the Irish? What rot.
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Not sure about that. Remain were ahead. Still will be.SouthamObserver said:Not a gamechanger. We all heard our own side more than the other one. On that basis, good for Leave.
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Because the Tories turned it into a vote on whether London was racist or not.Gallowgate said:How did Sadiq become Mayor of London?
As I said all along, if they'd refrained from that tactic, and just made Sadiq rely on his (questionable) political talents of his own, the Tories may have done rather better.0 -
I think politicians should more often admit to errors.AnneJGP said:
Nothing wrong with changing your mind.SeanT said:
Wollaston is a traitor.NickPalmer said:Zingers from Farron and Wollaston - better than the main Remain speakers so far.
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Anyone know the history between Ruth and Boris. Apparently she loathes him0
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Ruth no match for Boris.
Sadiq no match for Gisela.
Frances no match for Andrea.0 -
Ha, ha. Very good ;-)Alanbrooke said:
Why not vote Leave yourself ? You know deep down youre not really with the privileged posh boys. Come join the workers :-)SouthamObserver said:
God bless you both.Alanbrooke said:
Yes my brother and I are voting Leave :-)SouthamObserver said:
A lot of Irish votes up for grabs in this referendum.Mortimer said:For the sake of the Irish? What rot.
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Boris: this (Leave) is our finest hour...0
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Woah. Ovation for Boris.0
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Quite powerful by Boris.0
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Nothing wrong with a good Union guy, they keep the management on their toes.TOPPING said:
You could ask Bernard Matthews to be your shop steward.Alanbrooke said:
Why not vote Leave yourself ? You know deep down youre not really with the privileged posh boys. Come join the workers :-)SouthamObserver said:
God bless you both.Alanbrooke said:
Yes my brother and I are voting Leave :-)SouthamObserver said:
A lot of Irish votes up for grabs in this referendum.Mortimer said:For the sake of the Irish? What rot.
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Gosh, huge cheers for Boris and a standing ovation (from some). I thought Ruth had big cheers.0
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Yes, all the officials, six in total. are qualified referees. They come as a team, all from the same country, I would guess for reasons of familiarity and communication.Pulpstar said:
In England vs Australia I note Nigel Owens was being used on the touchline (rugby) - obviously he is a top notch referee. Are the officials behind the goal line in the football actually proper referees to the same standard as the ref ?kle4 said:
In football, what is the point of those extra refs on the goalline? They never spot anything that happens.
http://www.uefa.org/protecting-the-game/refereeing/news/newsid=2338168.html0 -
Not with Zac. He lost it for me when in the Standard's "My London" he said his local Londis was his favourite shop.Danny565 said:
Because the Tories turned it into a vote on whether London was racist or not.Gallowgate said:How did Sadiq become Mayor of London?
As I said all along, if they'd refrained from that tactic, and just made Sadiq rely on his (questionable) political talents of his own, the Tories may have done rather better.0 -
Croatia go 2-1 up.0
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https://twitter.com/RuthDavidsonMSP/status/706417220608466945Jobabob said:Anyone know the history between Ruth and Boris. Apparently she loathes him
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I just got goose bumps!!!numbertwelve said:Woah. Ovation for Boris.
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Yessssssssss!!!!!!
Croatia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!0 -
Ovation for Boris!
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She apparently has said she will divorce Scots Cons from the party if he becomes PMJobabob said:Anyone know the history between Ruth and Boris. Apparently she loathes him
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Wow, Croatia!0
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Spain v Italy!0
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Can we all agree on one thing?
After Thursday can we ditch Dimblebore?0 -
Can she take the whole country with her?Big_G_NorthWales said:
She apparently has said she will divorce Scots Cons from the party if he becomes PMJobabob said:Anyone know the history between Ruth and Boris. Apparently she loathes him
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Get i n Croatia0
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The tippy-tappy Tapas boys are going out to Italy in the next round. lol! Go Italy!0
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He could change the course of history just on the basis of a career calculation.GIN1138 said:Ovation for Boris!
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