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numbertwelve said:

"Take back control" is getting painfully repetitive.

If it is bouncing round people's heads for the next 48 hours then it has done it's job.

@Casino_Royale


'Oh, Sadiq. What are you doing.'

Making a pillock of himself,they should have stuck with Eagle.

kle4 said:

Honestly, immigration is such an open goal for Leave, I'm not sure how Remain are even supposed to get through these sections without damage. Just refuse to say anything for 15 minutes?

I think the one point they can make is Non EU migration being just as high.

Barnesian said:

Mortimer said:

I'm really standing by the Turkey issue - until and unless the British government stop supporting Turkish entry, it says the British government want Turkey in the EU.

A country has to adopt and enforce all the current EU rules before it can be admitted to the bloc. EU rules are divided into 35 policy areas and in 10 years Turkey only managed to adopt the rules on one: science and research. In most other areas it has not even made a start.

Even more argument not to support their entry.

kle4 said:

Honestly, immigration is such an open goal for Leave, I'm not sure how Remain are even supposed to get through these sections without damage. Just refuse to say anything for 15 minutes?

That approach may just have done better for them if they had done that.

PM Boris is going to be a disaster, and not just for my next Tory leader betting

Gisela is seriously good.

Barnesian said:

Mortimer said:

I'm really standing by the Turkey issue - until and unless the British government stop supporting Turkish entry, it says the British government want Turkey in the EU.

A country has to adopt and enforce all the current EU rules before it can be admitted to the bloc. EU rules are divided into 35 policy areas and in 10 years Turkey only managed to adopt the rules on one: science and research. In most other areas it has not even made a start.

Remember that applying to being able to join the Euro and it being fiddled to let Greece join?

leave looking dodgy on home turf immigration.

We already have a points-based system for non-EU immigration and levels are way above both forecast and the government's own targets

kle4 said:

Pulpstar said:

SouthamObserver said:

SeanT said:

SouthamObserver said:

These lies about Turkey from Leave are contemptible.

F*ck off, old bean. It is the EU's established policy that Turkey join. Again, it just is.

It is a lie that Turkish membership is in any way imminent. It just is.

With respect Southam this is a 40-70 year question at the minimum - so in the long term Turkey is relevant I think. Personally I'm not looking ahead 70 years as I might be dead but long term I think Turkey is joining.

It's a long term issue, but do you really think people are worried about the things that will happen in 40-70years? If people thought Turkey was a long term issue they wouldn't give two shits - they think it is a short to medium term issue.

This is a vote for the long term though, you need to think about your children ! (Or niblings)

kle4 said:

Honestly, immigration is such an open goal for Leave, I'm not sure how Remain are even supposed to get through these sections without damage. Just refuse to say anything for 15 minutes?

I think their best tactic would be to say that the Leave side truthfully don't really want to bring down immigration -- remind Boris of when he said he's the most pro-immigration politician in Britain, and Gove saying that even Theresa May was too tough on immigration.

If Remain could fight for a draw on immigration (by saying "immigration won't change regardless of how we vote"), then they could say that people may as well make their decision on other issues. But tractor stats about immigrants "putting more in than they take out" aren't going to work.

They need to give the slogan a rest now.

Leave losing the argument on immigration.

Leadsom needs to be rebooted. She's turned into a robot spouting 'take back control'.

tlg86 said:

kle4 said:

Honestly, immigration is such an open goal for Leave, I'm not sure how Remain are even supposed to get through these sections without damage. Just refuse to say anything for 15 minutes?

I think the one point they can make is Non EU migration being just as high.

Yeah, but Leave's 'Aussie-style points system' would apply to both EU and non-EU, so would presumably reduce both if it is to reduce one.

NickPalmer said:

Leadsom grinning as smugly as Osborne on a bad day.

She really gets your goat, doesn't she ? She's been a revelation.

Caroline Lucas is trying to help Leave, right?

Vote remain and flog Osbourne, I can see the logic...

john_zims said:

@numbertwelve

'Francis O'Grady is awful. Is every question going to lead to "But the Greedy Bankers!!!"?'


She thinks she's fighting the 2015 election.

She's not there to appeal to you I guess. She definitely scored a point in that last bit.

williamglenn said:

Leave losing the argument on immigration.

Leadsom needs to be rebooted. She's turned into a robot spouting 'take back control'.

She's not performing as well as I thought she would today.

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

BenedictWhite said:

DavidL said:

Mortimer said:

Andrea is not performing as well this time as in the studio.

Gisella, meanwhile, is knocking things out of the park.

Gisella is totally wasted in the Labour Party. They don't appreciate her and she is a gem. I'd love to see her in a Gove government in charge of something like welfare. She has so much to offer.

In the event of leave I would like to see a Leave cabinet of national unity... or similar.

It should not be an opportunity for a stitch up.

Before anyone panics about a certain person, I would only include MPs in that.

On another note, why does Alistair Meeks seem to think it's nailed on for leave?

There is only one poll that counts and all we are getting from the opinion polls is noise...

I agree with Alistair after doing the maths - see previous thread for details.

Ermm... I am not going to pick through 850 posts... But as far as I can tell it's close. The PM is bricking it as are Brussels (good, politicians should) but it isn't over. (Certainly not on Betfair you can 4.1 for the UK and 3 in England at the moment, so pile in if you want some)

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Andrea getting laughed at for yet another take back control

Remind you of long term economic plan? The relentless use of it made it stick.

SeanT said:

NickPalmer said:

Leadsom grinning as smugly as Osborne on a bad day.

F*cks like you are the reason we are here. If you had allowed a vote on the EU Constitution we would have stalled EU integration, and we wouldn't be faced with this hideous binary decision.

Do you now realise this?

Charming

I may not be an unbiased observer, but I think Leave are losing the immigration debate...

SouthamObserver said:

DavidL said:

SouthamObserver said:

DavidL said:

SouthamObserver said:

These lies about Turkey from Leave are contemptible.

It's great. Few other things demonstrate the lying hypocrisy of the EU better. It is EU and UK policy that they join but no one really means it. It's just a convenient lie for the stupid people. Who can believe anything these scum say about anything?

Jesus. That's genuinely frightening.

Good.

Great - let's all lie because people are stupid.

You clearly misunderstood his point.

Best to stick to your 'I told you so routine' about the brexit recession which hasn't happened yet.

Tony Parsons has just connected with every person who wants to vote Leave but isn't quite sure.

Good man.

Richard_Tyndall said:

kle4 said:

Fenster said:

Why haven't LEAVE used Dan Hannan on the big stage?

He is a first class communicator.

He's always seemed decent in the things i've seen him, but he's been pretty invisible. Now, maybe he's putting in the hard yards I'm not seeing, but it's odd.

From what I have seen and read about Hannan he would find it very difficult to support the leave position on things like Turkey and the £350 million a week. I may be wrong but I have not heard him use either attack line and I suspect by mutual consent he has chosen not to be frontline because he couldn't honestly defend against those lines.

He's not really an attack line chap, is he? I've only ever heard a positive vision of the UK outside the EU from him, any negativity being directed at the EU itself - its corrupt systems, unaccountable executive and expensive bureaucracy. Shame we've not seen more of him though, we need more positivity in politics. Hopefully we will make him redundant as an MEP and can get him on the green benches in the near future.

kle4 said:

williamglenn said:

Leave losing the argument on immigration.

Not possible.

They had no answer to O'Grady's question on numbers.

Then after Davidson said that we need a much more intelligent debate on immigration, Leadsom countered with, "That is nonsense." Awful from the Leave team.

First Ruth, then the SNP guy - Scottish politicians significantly more aggressive than the English!

tyson said:

This is the first program of any kind I have watched on this dreadful referendum. I'm going to give an objective view, if that is possible.

Gisela Stuart- never heard of her- is the star of the show. Dimbleby is doing OK. Khan isn't too bad, And Boris has his usual appeal. The trade union women appears to be a bad pick. I like Ruth Davisdon a lot....so it is difficult for me to be objective, but she appears fine.

Amazed you have not heard of Gisela Stuart - really surprised, She is an ex-German (don;t know the details!) and has some experience of working in or for the EU which has turned her to leave.

Commands huge respect, and also for holding Birmingham Edgbaston repeatedly on small majorities but with no swing against her even in 2010

"Another Wolverhampton every year".

That's a horrifying prospect to be honest.

@KateEMcCann: Perfect example of @RuthDavidsonMSP's ability to pick up on the mood, she made the Mum/Gran joke Twitter has picked up while still on stage

Mortimer said:

Barnesian said:

Mortimer said:

I'm really standing by the Turkey issue - until and unless the British government stop supporting Turkish entry, it says the British government want Turkey in the EU.

A country has to adopt and enforce all the current EU rules before it can be admitted to the bloc. EU rules are divided into 35 policy areas and in 10 years Turkey only managed to adopt the rules on one: science and research. In most other areas it has not even made a start.

Even more argument not to support their entry.

Supporting entry once they meet those areas is not exactly rolling out the welcome mat. Granted, they get some leeway because they have us over a barrel, but that's another matter.

Richard_Tyndall said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

Jonathan said:

Traitor should not be used in this debate to describe anyone.

Agreed.

Can we make an exception for the late Edward Heath though?

TSE was more than happy enough to use it until recently.

But out of respect for those Remainers I admire on here I have refrained from using the term in the last few weeks.
#
I prefer now to reflect how French TSE has become in his attitudes. I think he should be renamed from TSE to LSE.

Les aigles hurlants peut-etre?

numbertwelve said:

Sarah Wollaston seems to have had a damascene conversion on EVERY issue.

Obviously a complete careerist. I don't think she does Remain any favours, people see right through that crap.

NickPalmer said:

First Ruth, then the SNP guy - Scottish politicians significantly more aggressive than the English!

Referendum practice

Got to go big on the European Army.

AnneJGP said:

SeanT said:

NickPalmer said:

Zingers from Farron and Wollaston - better than the main Remain speakers so far.

Wollaston is a traitor.

Nothing wrong with changing your mind.

Very true. I just don't think she has changed her mind.

tyson said:

JonCisBack said:

tyson said:

This is the first program of any kind I have watched on this dreadful referendum. I'm going to give an objective view, if that is possible.

Gisela Stuart- never heard of her- is the star of the show. Dimbleby is doing OK. Khan isn't too bad, And Boris has his usual appeal. The trade union women appears to be a bad pick. I like Ruth Davisdon a lot....so it is difficult for me to be objective, but she appears fine.

Amazed you have not heard of Gisela Stuart - really surprised, She is an ex-German (don;t know the details!) and has some experience of working in or for the EU which has turned her to leave.

Commands huge respect, and also for holding Birmingham Edgbaston repeatedly on small majorities but with no swing against her even in 2010

It doesn't surprise me that Gisela is German.
After watching the footie this afternoon, I am under no illusion that they are the master race.

What rubbish. They cant even play cricket to county standard.

Scott_P said:

@Peston: No hack here in spinroom can stand up UKIP's Diane James claim @Nigel_Farage apologised for THAT poster. He defended it on @pestononsunday

Oh, is that what she said? I thought she was saying Humza Yousaf should apologise.

Mortimer said:

Barnesian said:

Mortimer said:

I'm really standing by the Turkey issue - until and unless the British government stop supporting Turkish entry, it says the British government want Turkey in the EU.

A country has to adopt and enforce all the current EU rules before it can be admitted to the bloc. EU rules are divided into 35 policy areas and in 10 years Turkey only managed to adopt the rules on one: science and research. In most other areas it has not even made a start.

Even more argument not to support their entry.

Quite. Turkey is moving away from EU conditions not towards them. There is no question Turkey joining the EU in our lifetime. It is a non-issue but promoted by the Leave side as a frightener.

SeanT said:

NickPalmer said:

Leadsom grinning as smugly as Osborne on a bad day.

F*cks like you are the reason we are here. If you had allowed a vote on the EU Constitution we would have stalled EU integration, and we wouldn't be faced with this hideous binary decision.

Do you now realise this?

You actually like this referendum and wish we'd had it sooner? There speaks a torture porn author.

welshowl said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

Jonathan said:

Traitor should not be used in this debate to describe anyone.

Agreed.

Can we make an exception for the late Edward Heath though?

TSE was more than happy enough to use it until recently.

But out of respect for those Remainers I admire on here I have refrained from using the term in the last few weeks.
#
I prefer now to reflect how French TSE has become in his attitudes. I think he should be renamed from TSE to LSE.

Les aigles hurlants peut-etre?

Ta me old mucker. I speak French but had a momentary brainstorm and couldn't for the life of me think of the word for Eagle.

SouthamObserver said:

DavidL said:

SouthamObserver said:

DavidL said:

SouthamObserver said:

These lies about Turkey from Leave are contemptible.

It's great. Few other things demonstrate the lying hypocrisy of the EU better. It is EU and UK policy that they join but no one really means it. It's just a convenient lie for the stupid people. Who can believe anything these scum say about anything?

Jesus. That's genuinely frightening.

Good.

Great - let's all lie because people are stupid.

We only need to do that whilst in the EU. It is how they do business. It stinks. Stop it. Vote leave.

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

tyson said:

JonCisBack said:

tyson said:

This is the first program of any kind I have watched on this dreadful referendum. I'm going to give an objective view, if that is possible.

Gisela Stuart- never heard of her- is the star of the show. Dimbleby is doing OK. Khan isn't too bad, And Boris has his usual appeal. The trade union women appears to be a bad pick. I like Ruth Davisdon a lot....so it is difficult for me to be objective, but she appears fine.

Amazed you have not heard of Gisela Stuart - really surprised, She is an ex-German (don;t know the details!) and has some experience of working in or for the EU which has turned her to leave.

Commands huge respect, and also for holding Birmingham Edgbaston repeatedly on small majorities but with no swing against her even in 2010

It doesn't surprise me that Gisela is German.
After watching the footie this afternoon, I am under no illusion that they are the master race.

What rubbish. They cant even play cricket to county standard.

Except Shane Warne whose mum is German!

@NickyMorgan01: It's clear Vote Leave don't have a plan for the economy - and now it's getting clearer they don't have a plan for immigration #BBCDebate

Wow, didn't know that about eu gravy train pay...

Think the Leave side has now overused the Take back control meme - they're using it robotically in almost very round and the audience is starting to giggle.

DennisBets said:

tlg86 said:

This is the crux for me. If Remain were promising to pretty much abolish the welfare state and the NHS I would consider voting to stay.

Donald Trump?

Is that what he is promising? I didn't realise they had anything to abolish!