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MP for Sevenoaks and Secretary of State for Defencejohn_zims said:@Chameleon
'Lol, Farron.'
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If we leave the EU, people from the EU could still come to work for the NHS if the government deemed it suitable. Isn't that the point? Why isn't anyone saying this?0
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Why haven't LEAVE used Dan Hannan on the big stage?
He is a first class communicator.0 -
Not good, I agree.Chameleon said:Shit.. That was horrific from Andrea.
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Oh no !
Not a donation !0 -
I find his clever dick manner rather annoying. I can't tell if he's any good or not.bigjohnowls said:
Its because he is talking SHITPulpstar said:Is there a fly buzzing round Sadiq ?
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For all the hype, I don't find Andrea Leadsom particularly impressive. Not quite as robotic and scripted as Patel, but close.0
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Based on this site Leave should be 1/200
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Difficult one. It doesn't further their position for staying in the EU.Big_G_NorthWales said:Frances O' Grady stinger about BNP donation to Vote leave
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How hard is it to atfq? Say that if we leave the EU we'll be able to pick people that we need (i.e. just because we leave doesn't mean that we have to turn down nurses and doctors all of a sudden.0
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But if he had, Mr Rising, it probably would not have been great.KentRising said:
Labour Leave has been great. Corbyn probably wishes he was leading it.Concanvasser said:I honestly think Jez has done his best to throw this election and so it continues with small things like this.
He is transparently for Leave, in just the same way that his friend Kelvin Hopkins is. Jez hasnt changed his mind about anything since puberty.
The suprising thing is that he has effectively shut up the Labour establishment on their only big cause left. The man is in danger of becoming a legend.0 -
A terrible word to use. Dismisses any concern on immigration as racist. That is what backfires with many voters.Big_G_NorthWales said:Project Hate from Khan to Boris - Boris knocked over
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British politics as we once knew it died during this campaign. We now have this reheated US tripe.HurstLlama said:Just took herself, who was watching the debate, a cup of tea and caught sight of Ruth Davidson doing finger pointing and being very shouty. Total turn-off for me, cannot abide that sort of behaviour. As I left the room Herself was changing channels to watch something else.
I am sure I have been told that Davidson was a good and engaging politician, a potential Conservative leader at Westminster. Well, you only get one chance to make a first impression and that was her's for me. Shouty, bossy, woman who likes to point fingers and cannot engage in reasonable debate - file under forget.0 -
And we all know what happens to them.....SeanT said:
Wollaston is a traitor.NickPalmer said:Zingers from Farron and Wollaston - better than the main Remain speakers so far.
Careful what you say Sean.0 -
No, she is pretty poor.Danny565 said:For all the hype, I don't find Andrea Leadsom particularly impressive. Not quite as robotic and scripted as Patel, but close.
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The sort of bollocks that only appeals to North Londoners, generally in big mansions (with gated drives).tlg86 said:FCUK the cultural and social benefits, Sadiq!
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This " a points system means more migration " rebuttal is weak.0
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Project Hate and the ex-BNP donation both strong lines - Leadsom wittering evasively in reply. Khan praising Cameron nonplussed the audience and I don't think that worked.0
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Would you trust the government to make individual decisions about anything else? Why do you think they they'd do a good job on this?Chameleon said:How hard is it to atfq? Say that if we leave the EU we'll be able to pick people that we need (i.e. just because we leave doesn't mean that we have to turn down nurses and doctors all of a sudden.
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Vox pop from my (undecided, and probably-not-voting) wife: Leave were more convincing than remain. Liked the two leave women (neither of whom she'd heard of). The 'belligerent Scottish woman' annoyed her.0
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Andrea is not performing as well this time as in the studio.
Gisella, meanwhile, is knocking things out of the park.0 -
I see Boris has a running gag going - even though it is going personal.0
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Not sure that using the same word that the (alleged) MP murderer used in court is that wise right now...SeanT said:
Wollaston is a traitor.NickPalmer said:Zingers from Farron and Wollaston - better than the main Remain speakers so far.
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It's not going to win any favour with the WWC on which the referendum may hang. Moreover it drives turnout of them.TCPoliticalBetting said:
A terrible word to use. Dismisses any concern on immigration as racist. That is what backfires with many voters.Big_G_NorthWales said:Project Hate from Khan to Boris - Boris knocked over
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She's terribly wet. You're spot on re the casting choice.YellowSubmarine said:I know what Remain were trying to do with O'Grady. They've got the characterisation and script right but the casting horribly wrong.
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Why is Sadiq advertising Vote Leave material?0
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Boris seems prepped with a bumper book of Khan quotes lol0
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One tactical fail for Remain is to keep referencing the first name of one of the most trusted figures on the Leave side.0
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My thoughts exactly.HurstLlama said:Just took herself, who was watching the debate, a cup of tea and caught sight of Ruth Davidson doing finger pointing and being very shouty. Total turn-off for me, cannot abide that sort of behaviour. As I left the room Herself was changing channels to watch something else.
I am sure I have been told that Davidson was a good and engaging politician, a potential Conservative leader at Westminster. Well, you only get one chance to make a first impression and that was her's for me. Shouty, bossy, woman who likes to point fingers and cannot engage in reasonable debate - file under forget.
Gisela Stuart the best performer, in my opinion.
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Probably becuase they would attack him over something he said 10 years before that had nothing to do with the EU. It is how project fear (and hate) works. Just a bunch of snarling attack dogs unable to present a positive image of the EU.Fenster said:Why haven't LEAVE used Dan Hannan on the big stage?
He is a first class communicator.
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Close up of the £350 million figure lolTissue_Price said:Why is Sadiq advertising Vote Leave material?
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I'm 90% sure that Leave are doing rather well. I suspect that that is my bias.0
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Have you got BBC1 on? https://youtu.be/JX2ziMnm2tw0
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Works for plenty of men, including one on the stage.HurstLlama said:Shouty, bossy, woman who likes to point fingers and cannot engage in reasonable debate .
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Boris much more confident tonight. Wouldn't go so far as to say Prime Ministerial, but not a million miles away.0
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I'm a Scottish Conservative, but I've had enough of Ruth.0
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Gisella is totally wasted in the Labour Party. They don't appreciate her and she is a gem. I'd love to see her in a Gove government in charge of something like welfare. She has so much to offer.Mortimer said:Andrea is not performing as well this time as in the studio.
Gisella, meanwhile, is knocking things out of the park.0 -
Gisela is class0
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It's clear that Remain has lost the argument and audience.0
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It is appropriate that one of the 3 on the REMAIN side have in Frances O'Grady someone "selected" as the only candidate nominated by unions – with 32 of the 54 affiliated unions putting her name forward to be General Secretary of the TUC.
Just like the EU Presidents.0 -
All Scottish women are belligerent. Hence why I married a foreign bride.Cookie said:Vox pop from my (undecided, and probably-not-voting) wife: Leave were more convincing than remain. Liked the two leave women (neither of whom she'd heard of). The 'belligerent Scottish woman' annoyed her.
From Hampshire.0 -
These lies about Turkey from Leave are contemptible.0
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Dimbleby finding it hard to stop Boris.0
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kle4 said:
Works for plenty of men, including one on the stage.HurstLlama said:Shouty, bossy, woman who likes to point fingers and cannot engage in reasonable debate .
If only Sadiq was playing for Slovakia last night, we'd be up by rather a lot judging by how many own goals he's scoring.Pulpstar said:
Close up of the £350 million figure lolTissue_Price said:Why is Sadiq advertising Vote Leave material?
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I suspect she is amongst the top 10% of Tory MPs in terms of cross-party respect. I wouldn't dismiss her views quite so readily.SeanT said:
She is a traitor to herself. She just IS.IanB2 said:
Not sure that using the same word that the (alleged) MP murderer used in court is that wise right now...SeanT said:
Wollaston is a traitor.NickPalmer said:Zingers from Farron and Wollaston - better than the main Remain speakers so far.
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Leave not doing well enough yet on immigration.
Come on with the answer to the WC man.0 -
It's the Leave tactic I'm least happy with, to be honest. But it will work, as you probably agree.SouthamObserver said:These lies about Turkey from Leave are contemptible.
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LOL, bless Dimbleby's naivete, thinking a crowd of thousands at Wembley will be content to just applaud politely.0
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I know, they're half-decent. 1-0 up v Czech and could still go through.SouthamObserver said:These lies about Turkey from Leave are contemptible.
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But it's nutritious. 50.1% of flies can't be wrong!bigjohnowls said:
Its because he is talking SHITPulpstar said:Is there a fly buzzing round Sadiq ?
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What was that thing about the BNP donation all about? Rather strange moment...0
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I'd say 10 million :-)Casino_Royale said:Boris much more confident tonight. Wouldn't go so far as to say Prime Ministerial, but not a million miles away.
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It's not imminent. Other things involving Turkey may well be. Them joining is not.SeanT said:
F*ck off, old bean. It is the EU's established policy that Turkey join. Again, it just is.SouthamObserver said:These lies about Turkey from Leave are contemptible.
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Merkel has got Cameron by the short and curlies and the Leave side know it.SouthamObserver said:These lies about Turkey from Leave are contemptible.
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I'm really standing by the Turkey issue - until and unless the British government stop supporting Turkish entry, it says the British government want Turkey in the EU.0
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Agreed.Jonathan said:Traitor should not be used in this debate to describe anyone.
Can we make an exception for the late Edward Heath though?0 -
Bankers again from Frances!0
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Is Frances related to Hattie - she's remarkably like her.0
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Well Sadiq brought up the leaflet !SouthamObserver said:These lies about Turkey from Leave are contemptible.
I think people in the audience are just applauding 'their' side regardless of the merits of the arguments.0 -
TBH, Turkey is an accession state & it is the Govt.'s position that they should join. Those two facts are fair game imo.kle4 said:
It's the Leave tactic I'm least happy with, to be honest. But it will work, as you probably agree.SouthamObserver said:These lies about Turkey from Leave are contemptible.
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I fear you are correct, Mr. Jonathon, though the illness as contracted a good ways back. God only knows what the next GE will be like.Jonathan said:
British politics as we once knew it died during this campaign. We now have this reheated US tripe.HurstLlama said:Just took herself, who was watching the debate, a cup of tea and caught sight of Ruth Davidson doing finger pointing and being very shouty. Total turn-off for me, cannot abide that sort of behaviour. As I left the room Herself was changing channels to watch something else.
I am sure I have been told that Davidson was a good and engaging politician, a potential Conservative leader at Westminster. Well, you only get one chance to make a first impression and that was her's for me. Shouty, bossy, woman who likes to point fingers and cannot engage in reasonable debate - file under forget.0 -
"Greedy bankers" says FOG - would those be the bankers who are bankrolling Remain?0
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Argh, Grady's voice.0
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Ruth not getting much air time??0
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In the event of leave I would like to see a Leave cabinet of national unity... or similar.DavidL said:
Gisella is totally wasted in the Labour Party. They don't appreciate her and she is a gem. I'd love to see her in a Gove government in charge of something like welfare. She has so much to offer.Mortimer said:Andrea is not performing as well this time as in the studio.
Gisella, meanwhile, is knocking things out of the park.
It should not be an opportunity for a stitch up.
Before anyone panics about a certain person, I would only include MPs in that.
On another note, why does Alistair Meeks seem to think it's nailed on for leave?
There is only one poll that counts and all we are getting from the opinion polls is noise...0 -
But if it's realistic that they may join in the next 46 years then it is likely that this is our last say on the matter directly.kle4 said:
It's not imminent. Other things involving Turkey may well be. Them joining is not.SeanT said:
F*ck off, old bean. It is the EU's established policy that Turkey join. Again, it just is.SouthamObserver said:These lies about Turkey from Leave are contemptible.
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I might be biased (since she was probably my favourite coming in), but I think Frances O'Grady is doing rather well. Not as polished as a professional politician, but she's making arguments which I think people can relate to, rather than just endless streams of tractor stats.
Gisela and Davidson also doing very well. Khan and Leadsom are not.0 -
It is a lie that Turkish membership is in any way imminent. It just is.SeanT said:
F*ck off, old bean. It is the EU's established policy that Turkey join. Again, it just is.SouthamObserver said:These lies about Turkey from Leave are contemptible.
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Frances going a bit off piste there... let Westminster deal with workers' rights, blame those nasty bankers (the ones proudly named as Remain supporters). Keep talking.
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Free advice to PBers. Get the footie on. Thrilling finish to Spain's group and as such Norn Iron hanging on to the dream.0
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Probably a good thing for her side.Casino_Royale said:Ruth not getting much air time??
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It's Cameron who has been dishonest about Turkey, saying they've only met a few of the criteria and at this rate it will take them until the year 3000 to join, while at the same time refusing to commit himself to opposing their membership.
Twisty bastard.
Does he want Turkey to join or not? If they meet the criteria, of course.0 -
Frances O'Grady is just absolutely dire.0
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Gisela doing classical working class Labour proud. Tony Benn would be happy.0
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Get Farage in the House of Lords and make him.Foreign Secretary LOLBenedictWhite said:
In the event of leave I would like to see a Leave cabinet of national unity... or similar.DavidL said:
Gisella is totally wasted in the Labour Party. They don't appreciate her and she is a gem. I'd love to see her in a Gove government in charge of something like welfare. She has so much to offer.Mortimer said:Andrea is not performing as well this time as in the studio.
Gisella, meanwhile, is knocking things out of the park.
It should not be an opportunity for a stitch up.
Before anyone panics about a certain person, I would only include MPs in that.
On another note, why does Alistair Meeks seem to think it's nailed on for leave?
There is only one poll that counts and all we are getting from the opinion polls is noise...0 -
We're going to do this. We really are. Bring on INDEPENDENCE DAY*
* The film. I don't actually want us to have another bleeding bank holiday.0 -
It's great. Few other things demonstrate the lying hypocrisy of the EU better. It is EU and UK policy that they join but no one really means it. It's just a convenient lie for the stupid people. Who can believe anything these scum say about anything?SouthamObserver said:These lies about Turkey from Leave are contemptible.
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It is very common politics to say something that is factually true while communicating another point which is not. The implication of the immediate prospect of Turkey joining is communicated loud and clear.Chameleon said:
TBH, Turkey is an accession state & it is the Govt.'s position that they should join. Those two facts are fair game imo.kle4 said:
It's the Leave tactic I'm least happy with, to be honest. But it will work, as you probably agree.SouthamObserver said:These lies about Turkey from Leave are contemptible.
Leave have so many good points that are better than Remain's, it's a shame, for me personally, that Immigration is the key for most people and implications on it so useful.0 -
I agree with Alistair after doing the maths - see previous thread for details.BenedictWhite said:
In the event of leave I would like to see a Leave cabinet of national unity... or similar.DavidL said:
Gisella is totally wasted in the Labour Party. They don't appreciate her and she is a gem. I'd love to see her in a Gove government in charge of something like welfare. She has so much to offer.Mortimer said:Andrea is not performing as well this time as in the studio.
Gisella, meanwhile, is knocking things out of the park.
It should not be an opportunity for a stitch up.
Before anyone panics about a certain person, I would only include MPs in that.
On another note, why does Alistair Meeks seem to think it's nailed on for leave?
There is only one poll that counts and all we are getting from the opinion polls is noise...0 -
With respect Southam this is a 40-70 year question at the minimum - so in the long term Turkey is relevant I think. Personally I'm not looking ahead 70 years as I might be dead but long term I think Turkey is joining.SouthamObserver said:
It is a lie that Turkish membership is in any way imminent. It just is.SeanT said:
F*ck off, old bean. It is the EU's established policy that Turkey join. Again, it just is.SouthamObserver said:These lies about Turkey from Leave are contemptible.
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Oh, Sadiq. What are you doing.0
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A country has to adopt and enforce all the current EU rules before it can be admitted to the bloc. EU rules are divided into 35 policy areas and in 10 years Turkey only managed to adopt the rules on one: science and research. In most other areas it has not even made a start.Mortimer said:I'm really standing by the Turkey issue - until and unless the British government stop supporting Turkish entry, it says the British government want Turkey in the EU.
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That, ladies and gents, is going to be the clip on the news.
'Immigration may be a problem, but Leaving the EU is not the answer'
"It is" (laughing)0 -
I haven't had a pay rise in 3 years. *shrug*0
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This is the first program of any kind I have watched on this dreadful referendum. I'm going to give an objective view, if that is possible.
Gisela Stuart- never heard of her- is the star of the show. Dimbleby is doing OK. Khan isn't too bad, And Boris has his usual appeal. The trade union women appears to be a bad pick. I like Ruth Davisdon a lot....so it is difficult for me to be objective, but she appears fine.0 -
Which stupid people is the lie for?DavidL said:
It's great. Few other things demonstrate the lying hypocrisy of the EU better. It is EU and UK policy that they join but no one really means it. It's just a convenient lie for the stupid people. Who can believe anything these scum say about anything?SouthamObserver said:These lies about Turkey from Leave are contemptible.
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Honestly, immigration is such an open goal for Leave, I'm not sure how Remain are even supposed to get through these sections without damage. Just refuse to say anything for 15 minutes?0
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What lies would those be?SouthamObserver said:These lies about Turkey from Leave are contemptible.
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Surprised not to have him on one of the big TV events. He has done a few TV interviews and a couple of lower profile debates, but judging from his Twitter feed has been running round every town in the country rallying the troops and getting the vote out for Leave.Fenster said:Why haven't LEAVE used Dan Hannan on the big stage?
He is a first class communicator.
He also wins the prize for the best opening line of a speech, at the Spectator debate:
"Ladies and Gentlemen, I'm inviting you to make me redundant!" Brilliant!0 -
What do you mean by "imminent"? Frankly, if you told many people Turkey would not be in the EU until 2030 it would still be too early for them - because they want them NEVER to join. Racism or whatever, call it what you like, but it's the grim truth.SouthamObserver said:
It is a lie that Turkish membership is in any way imminent. It just is.SeanT said:
F*ck off, old bean. It is the EU's established policy that Turkey join. Again, it just is.SouthamObserver said:These lies about Turkey from Leave are contemptible.
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"Take back control" is getting painfully repetitive.0
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SOUTHAM OBS what on earth is contemptable about mentioning the probability of Turkey joining theEU?
The lead Remain campaigner has pledged to pave the road from Ankara to Brussels to get them in.
Like you, I take Mr Cameronat his word.0 -
Polling Info Alert
Poster on another forum got phone polled today they said
There was one question about if Leave happened, who would be best to negotiate withdrawal: Cameron, Osborne, Johnson, Gove or May.
Interesting.0
