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HYUFD said:

SeanT said:

HYUFD said:

Alistair said:

I wonder how the great Britain little England line will play in Scotland where we recently establish that 45 percent of the population don't want to be Great British.

They would rather Great Britain than Little England. GB goes down better in Scotland, NI and London and Wales, Little England in provincial England, it is the former Cameron is now targeting to edge over the line, he has pretty much given up on rural, coastal and market town England who will vote Leave

As an aside, this is, of course, catastrophic for Cameron's future as prime minister, and as Tory leader. The Tory party IS Little England - the little battalions in the shires and burbs.

Cameron has clearly accepted his career is nearly over.

Yes, look at the figures. Yougov yesterday had Leave ahead 44% to 41% in the South, 42% to 41% in the Midlands and Wales and 44% to 40% in the North. Remain led 55% to 33% in London and 51% to 39% in Scotland. Across the UK Remain led 43% to 42%
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/0ofltfa592/Times_Results_160606_EU_Final_Website.pdf

So Cameron is going to scrape over the line if Remain win having lost Tory England, which is why I would agree that he will not be going on too long as Tory leader after this referendum and Osborne is unlikely to succeed him either

As I said in the previous thread I find it strange that Cameron and Osborne have decide that SLab's playbook from the IndyRef was the one to follow.

Richard_Tyndall said:

foxinsoxuk said:

BenedictWhite said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Yes, there's definitely huge millage in making the jingoistic case for Remain - Good old Britain in the thick of it, saving those Europeans from themselves again. Let's have a bit of romance and soaring passion. (Contrast with stale old Leave, the height of whose ambition is turning us into the world's largest ferry port.)

Nah. We want to be pirates and corsairs on the open seas. What is more romantic than that!!!

:-)

Britain was at her best when she ruled the waves.

We can all agree on that.

And waved the rules....

“We have our own dream and our own task. We are with Europe, but not of it. We are linked but not combined. We are interested and associated but not absorbed. If Britain must choose between Europe and the open sea, she must always choose the open sea.”

Except that we do not have to choose, we can have both Europe and the open seas. Indded both Leave and Remain agree on that (though disagree that the other side will allow it!)

Unfortunately we cannot. Membership of the EU restricts our access to the open seas in so far as it prevents us from making our own trade deals. Of course it also restricts our access to our own fishing grounds as well so in that case it is literally restricting our access to the open seas.

Exactly what I said. Each side claims that the other cannot provide both, but they can. You put the case as a Leaver. Some Remainers would say the exact opposite and that only Remain means free access to both European and overseas markets with Leave abandoning the Single Market access that Mrs T passed into law.

williamglenn said:

another_richard said:

There's going to be a lot of England flags being flown in the next couple of weeks.

Somebody lock up Emily Thornberry.

No, I'm planning on driving her on a campaign tour of all the WWC areas!

Sorry...

Cameron has a massive, massive problem with immigration. Having previously gone heavy on how bad immigration is, he can't now tell the truth, which is that an open market in a globalised world means immigration and that fact isn't going to change with Brexit. Instead he had to fall back on the line that immigration is being controlled now. Nobody believes it.

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We can control immigration, other countries do.

Thanks. Off topic question. Do you, or anyone else, know which countries similar to the UK see relatively less immigration than the UK? I am talking about actual numbers, not whether the countries claim to control immigration

Daily Mail web headline:

'You're scaremongering against non-whites!' Farage blasted for 'demonising migrants' as he's grilled by a live studio audience in heated Brexit debate before the PM brands him a 'Little Englander'

Discuss.

Hmmmmm... Can't find the debate programe on ITV's website, which generally seems to be very poor.

Times like this you realize how good the BBC's iplayer is.

Alistair said:

HYUFD said:

SeanT said:

HYUFD said:

Alistair said:

I wonder how the great Britain little England line will play in Scotland where we recently establish that 45 percent of the population don't want to be Great British.

They would rather Great Britain than Little England. GB goes down better in Scotland, NI and London and Wales, Little England in provincial England, it is the former Cameron is now targeting to edge over the line, he has pretty much given up on rural, coastal and market town England who will vote Leave

As an aside, this is, of course, catastrophic for Cameron's future as prime minister, and as Tory leader. The Tory party IS Little England - the little battalions in the shires and burbs.

Cameron has clearly accepted his career is nearly over.

Yes, look at the figures. Yougov yesterday had Leave ahead 44% to 41% in the South, 42% to 41% in the Midlands and Wales and 44% to 40% in the North. Remain led 55% to 33% in London and 51% to 39% in Scotland. Across the UK Remain led 43% to 42%
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/0ofltfa592/Times_Results_160606_EU_Final_Website.pdf

So Cameron is going to scrape over the line if Remain win having lost Tory England, which is why I would agree that he will not be going on too long as Tory leader after this referendum and Osborne is unlikely to succeed him either

As I said in the previous thread I find it strange that Cameron and Osborne have decide that SLab's playbook from the IndyRef was the one to follow.

Indeed, there is a real risk UKIP will eat up Tory Leavers as the SNP eat up Labour Yes voters

Alistair said:

How is the referendum count going to be reported, is it going to be by council area or constituency or what?

http://election.pressassociation.com/Advisories/EU_referendum_2016.php

Alistair said:

How is the referendum count going to be reported, is it going to be by council area or constituency or what?

According to the EC, there are going to be 382 individual declarations. From what I can tell, these are the local government areas in England and Wales (not sure about Scotland and NI).

http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0013/206113/Media-briefing-EU-Referendum-count-processes-and-results.pdf

http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/excel_doc/0006/206088/EURef_timingvenue_KK.xlsx

Basically similar to the AV referendum.

foxinsoxuk said:

rcs1000 said:

Do you guys know how many of my Facebook friends have even mentioned the debate?

None. Zero. Nada.

In other words, this debate will have no impact whatsoever on the result.

Four of my Facebook friends regularly post pro-Remain posts. The rest post mostly about their kids,cats or holidays like normal folk do.

I was thinking about this today. Inasmuch as the referendum is mentioned by my facebook friends, I have about nine friends who regularly post tediously snappy anti-LEAVE arguments (that it's pointless to refute given the TLDR nature of the medium). Most of these are the same people who posted similarly trite anti-Tory posts at the last election. Basically, REMAIN is the default option for the university-educated virtue signaller. But at least one of these (interestingly atypical - middle class but not university educated; of traveller background but more furious than anyone I have ever known in his denunciation of travellers and gypsies) was always ardently pro-Tory, and another (also non-university educated) I would say at least pretty sceptical of the cut-and-paste anti-Tory meme at the election.
Meanwhile, the only voice on my facebook feed for LEAVE has been from a postgrad-educated teacher from a distinctly D2/E background who swung from Tory in 2010 to Green in 2015 and has taken the NUT line in most things political since the early half of the decade.

But as with you, most post of happier things like children and cricket.

SeanT said:

It is remarkable that the man who won an unprecedented victory for the Tories just a year ago is now staring at the abrupt end of his career, and probably a resignation that carries an air of faint disgrace - or much worse (if he loses the vote)

History repeats itself.

The same bastards who did it last time want to repeat their triumph and usher in the next Blair

blackburn63 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

John_N4 said:

They don't look "macho" at all. They look as though they're demonstrating to everyone that they haven't shit themselves. Osborne looks insane, and Cameron looks like an Etonian (not an Old one) imitating a school cleaner.

I am waiting for Cameron to do 'the roar!!!'

So if Cameron is Prince George, who is his Blackadder?

I've been meaning to ask you, you predict a Remain win by 12-15% but say Leave winning in Wales is value @ 2/1.

Perhaps you can explain the reasoning behind that.

If the polls have it neck and neck in Wales, and one side is 2/1, then it is surely value.

This guy has a lot of followers

@ProfBrianCox: Did Farage really just say that if we leave the EU we'll have a smaller pharma industry and that will be good for alternative medicine ?

Thinking about it, I don't think Blair would have ever used the phrase "little Englander" in public even if he thought it or used it in private. Insulting middle England is not going to go down well, Th party will now need a change of leadership to recover. Until now I was still in the Dave should stick around camp, but if he begins to alienate solid Tory heartlands on order to win the EU vote then he needs to be gotten rid of.

FF43 said:

Cameron has a massive, massive problem with immigration. Having previously gone heavy on how bad immigration is, he can't now tell the truth, which is that an open market in a globalised world means immigration and that fact isn't going to change with Brexit. Instead he had to fall back on the line that immigration is being controlled now. Nobody believes it.

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We can control immigration, other countries do.

Thanks. Off topic question. Do you, or anyone else, know which countries similar to the UK see relatively less immigration than the UK? I am talking about actual numbers, not whether the countries claim to control immigration

I think the only developed countries that do not have similar or higher rates of immigration than us are Japan and South Korea.

Scott_P said:

SeanT said:

It is remarkable that the man who won an unprecedented victory for the Tories just a year ago is now staring at the abrupt end of his career, and probably a resignation that carries an air of faint disgrace - or much worse (if he loses the vote)

History repeats itself.

The same bastards who did it last time want to repeat their triumph and usher in the next Blair

Come on Scott,who would you prefer to be the next tory leader ? Just remember you have to defend him/her on here.

Scott_P said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Membership of the EU does prevent us securing a trade deal with many other important countries. That is a basic fact, not an opinion.

Are there any of these countries that we don't currently trade with?

This is the flip-side of the Brexit argument.

No but our trade is restricted with them because of membership of the EU.

rottenborough said:

Daily Mail web headline:

'You're scaremongering against non-whites!' Farage blasted for 'demonising migrants' as he's grilled by a live studio audience in heated Brexit debate before the PM brands him a 'Little Englander'

Discuss.

The headlines i've seen from the daily mail are very pro remain.

@HungryCatfish: @IsabelOakeshott @RaheemKassam #ITVEURef

Even with format of choice, Cameron couldn't win on a Guardian poll. https://t.co/mK6LEO3COS

FF43 said:

Cameron has a massive, massive problem with immigration. Having previously gone heavy on how bad immigration is, he can't now tell the truth, which is that an open market in a globalised world means immigration and that fact isn't going to change with Brexit. Instead he had to fall back on the line that immigration is being controlled now. Nobody believes it.

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We can control immigration, other countries do.

Thanks. Off topic question. Do you, or anyone else, know which countries similar to the UK see relatively less immigration than the UK? I am talking about actual numbers, not whether the countries claim to control immigration

Not off the top of my head but I can tell you about high wages being an advantage rather than a disadvantage if you wish.

TheScreamingEagles said:

MaxPB said:

Thinking about it, I don't think Blair would have ever used the phrase "little Englander" I'm public even if he thought it or used it in private. Insulting middle England is not going to go down well, Th party will now need a change of leadership to recover. Until now I was still in the Dave should stick around camp, but if he begins to alienate solid Tory heartlands on order to win the EU vote then he needs to be gotten rid of.

I'm fairly certain Thatcher used the term little Englander in the 1975 referendum to describe the No side.

Times have changed since then, the nation is more Eurosceptic and we are the mainstream within the party. I'll say it over and over, the party has been split by loyalty to the leadership not by the EU, if Dave had declared for leave he would have carried 280 MPs, 80-90% of members and at least 75% of Tory voters. You might not want to hear it, but we are the party of Middle England, not the party of North Islington.

Richard_Tyndall said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

John_N4 said:

They don't look "macho" at all. They look as though they're demonstrating to everyone that they haven't shit themselves. Osborne looks insane, and Cameron looks like an Etonian (not an Old one) imitating a school cleaner.

I am waiting for Cameron to do 'the roar!!!'

So if Cameron is Prince George, who is his Blackadder?

Oh Gove for sure.

The more important question is who is Baldrick. :-)

TSE, of course

Scott_P said:

This guy has a lot of followers

@ProfBrianCox: Did Farage really just say that if we leave the EU we'll have a smaller pharma industry and that will be good for alternative medicine ?

No, he didn't.
Nor did he get the chance to mention how the Clinical Trials directive reduced UK clinical trials from 12% to 1% of world total.
http://www.talkcarswell.com/home/how-eu-membership-killed-off-uk-clinical-trials/2837

TheScreamingEagles said:

MaxPB said:

Thinking about it, I don't think Blair would have ever used the phrase "little Englander" I'm public even if he thought it or used it in private. Insulting middle England is not going to go down well, Th party will now need a change of leadership to recover. Until now I was still in the Dave should stick around camp, but if he begins to alienate solid Tory heartlands on order to win the EU vote then he needs to be gotten rid of.

I'm fairly certain Thatcher used the term little Englander in the 1975 referendum to describe the No side.

Evidence?

e headlines i've seen from the daily mail are very pro remain.

The Mail cannot abide Farage...

Scott_P said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Membership of the EU does prevent us securing a trade deal with many other important countries. That is a basic fact, not an opinion.

Are there any of these countries that we don't currently trade with?

This is the flip-side of the Brexit argument.

Some we trade a lot less with than we would, Brazil and Argentina spring to mind. Also our trade is stymied with our large trading partners because of a lack of a trade deal.

Australia seems to knock them out in around 18 to 24 months. We are a large market.

BenedictWhite said:

Scott_P said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Membership of the EU does prevent us securing a trade deal with many other important countries. That is a basic fact, not an opinion.

Are there any of these countries that we don't currently trade with?

This is the flip-side of the Brexit argument.

Some we trade a lot less with than we would, Brazil and Argentina spring to mind.

PM Corbyn will have a deal sorted with Argentina in no time, post-Brexit.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

John_N4 said:

They don't look "macho" at all. They look as though they're demonstrating to everyone that they haven't shit themselves. Osborne looks insane, and Cameron looks like an Etonian (not an Old one) imitating a school cleaner.

I am waiting for Cameron to do 'the roar!!!'

So if Cameron is Prince George, who is his Blackadder?

Oh Gove for sure.

The more important question is who is Baldrick. :-)

TSE, of course

I'm Blackadder.

I have a real life Auntie Whiteadder*.

She slapped me across the face, and called me a wicked child** whilst doing so

*Auntie in the sense where anyone one of your Mum and Dad's friends are automatically your auntie and uncle

**Well she said called me a zalum koota, which means cruel dog.

"Lord Sunil, where have you been?"

"Where haven't I been? Woof!"

blackburn63 said:

Re tonight's programme, debating who won or lost is futile, we all made up our mind beforehand. But that wide eyed look that Cameron has when dealing with questions from the audience - he's done, gone, a shot fighter.

btw did you see Peston? The poor man looks terribly ill.

His wife died and he's working for a crap TV station. Maybe?

surbiton said:

Alistair said:

How is the referendum count going to be reported, is it going to be by council area or constituency or what?

http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/journalist/electoral-commission-media-centre/news-releases-referendums/final-eu-referendum-result-will-be-declared-in-manchester-as-electoral-commission-partners-with-manchester-city-council-for-historic-event

Does that answer the question though? A declaration will be made for each of the 12 regions but surely the results from the 382 local counts will emerge and be totted up by broadcasters won't they? If not, I'll probably go to bed at 10 and set the alarm for 3.30am. How would the broadcasters fill the time?

SeanT said:

foxinsoxuk said:

FF43 said:

Cameron has a massive, massive problem with immigration. Having previously gone heavy on how bad immigration is, he can't now tell the truth, which is that an open market in a globalised world means immigration and that fact isn't going to change with Brexit. Instead he had to fall back on the line that immigration is being controlled now. Nobody believes it.

-----
We can control immigration, other countries do.

Thanks. Off topic question. Do you, or anyone else, know which countries similar to the UK see relatively less immigration than the UK? I am talking about actual numbers, not whether the countries claim to control immigration

I think the only developed countries that do not have similar or higher rates of immigration than us are Japan and South Korea.

What a load of bollocks. The UK has a relatively high net migration rate - higher than America, France, Germany.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate


More importantly, Britain - England even more so - is a much more crowded country than most. If you calculate migration per square mile, then we are probably at the very top of the list, in terms of big countries.

According to that table we have fewer migrants per thousand than the USA. France and Germany are lower - though as those figures are for 2015 I suspect that the German figures are not accurate. There was a fairly noticeable 2015 migration to Germany as I recall.

A number of countries were near zero, but Japan and South Korea were the only big developed economies amongst them.

peter_from_putney said:

Scott_P said:

@HungryCatfish: @IsabelOakeshott @RaheemKassam #ITVEURef

Even with format of choice, Cameron couldn't win on a Guardian poll. https://t.co/mK6LEO3COS

If that's the opinion of the electorate as a whole, then I'd expect at least a small movement towards LEAVE to appear as the polls in 2-3 days time start to reflect this.

In a two man debate Cameron came third.

williamglenn said:

BenedictWhite said:

Scott_P said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Membership of the EU does prevent us securing a trade deal with many other important countries. That is a basic fact, not an opinion.

Are there any of these countries that we don't currently trade with?

This is the flip-side of the Brexit argument.

Some we trade a lot less with than we would, Brazil and Argentina spring to mind.

PM Corbyn will have a deal sorted with Argentina in no time, post-Brexit.

There will not be a PM Corbyn.

peter_from_putney said:

taffys said:

e headlines i've seen from the daily mail are very pro remain.

The Mail cannot abide Farage...

Is the Mail, against all the odds, about to change sides and come down on the side of REMAIN?
Even allowing for the fact that newspapers undoubtedly have a greatly diminished influence on people's voting patterns, that really would be a potential game changer with its millions of predominantly Tory, middle England readers.

peter_from_putney said:

taffys said:

e headlines i've seen from the daily mail are very pro remain.

The Mail cannot abide Farage...

THe MoS is markedly more pro-EU than the daily title. Editiorials I have seen are firmly LEAVE in the DM.

Bob__Sykes said:

surbiton said:

Alistair said:

How is the referendum count going to be reported, is it going to be by council area or constituency or what?

http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/journalist/electoral-commission-media-centre/news-releases-referendums/final-eu-referendum-result-will-be-declared-in-manchester-as-electoral-commission-partners-with-manchester-city-council-for-historic-event

Does that answer the question though? A declaration will be made for each of the 12 regions but surely the results from the 382 local counts will emerge and be totted up by broadcasters won't they? If not, I'll probably go to bed at 10 and set the alarm for 3.30am. How would the broadcasters fill the time?

Can somebody confirm this either way please?

Mail has changed the headline to:

"'I have no GP, I can't get on the housing ladder and have three kids in one room': Cameron is taken to task over immigration on TV debate by '40-year-old Brit who's been working full-time since 16'"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3630039/PM-Farage-battle-Brexit-primetime-referendum-special-Cameron-won-t-debate-EU-head-head.html

peter_from_putney said:

Is the Mail, against all the odds, about to change sides and come down on the side of REMAIN?

QTWTAIN

https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/740314422619557889

williamglenn said:

BenedictWhite said:

williamglenn said:

BenedictWhite said:

Scott_P said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Membership of the EU does prevent us securing a trade deal with many other important countries. That is a basic fact, not an opinion.

Are there any of these countries that we don't currently trade with?

This is the flip-side of the Brexit argument.

Some we trade a lot less with than we would, Brazil and Argentina spring to mind.

PM Corbyn will have a deal sorted with Argentina in no time, post-Brexit.

There will not be a PM Corbyn.

There's a non-zero chance.

In any case do you think anyone else will be able to get a quick deal without putting the Falklands on the table?

Well, we used to have them... Lots of UK Argentine trade. If they don't want to trade, we'll just trade with our other old friends in the region, Brazil, Chile and Uruguay.

The Falklands are not on the table.

Pulpstar said:

foxinsoxuk said:

SeanT said:

foxinsoxuk said:

FF43 said:

Cameron has a massive, massive problem with immigration. Having previously gone heavy on how bad immigration is, he can't now tell the truth, which is that an open market in a globalised world means immigration and that fact isn't going to change with Brexit. Instead he had to fall back on the line that immigration is being controlled now. Nobody believes it.

-----
We can control immigration, other countries do.

Thanks. Off topic question. Do you, or anyone else, know which countries similar to the UK see relatively less immigration than the UK? I am talking about actual numbers, not whether the countries claim to control immigration

I think the only developed countries that do not have similar or higher rates of immigration than us are Japan and South Korea.

What a load of bollocks. The UK has a relatively high net migration rate - higher than America, France, Germany.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate


More importantly, Britain - England even more so - is a much more crowded country than most. If you calculate migration per square mile, then we are probably at the very top of the list, in terms of big countries.

According to that table we have fewer migrants per thousand than the USA. France and Germany are lower - though as those figures are for 2015 I suspect that the German figures are not accurate. There was a fairly noticeable 2015 migration to Germany as I recall.

A number of countries were near zero, but Japan and South Korea were the only big developed economies amongst them.

With respect, the USA is massive !

Talking of which, polls in New Jersey close in a hour. Hillary is preparing to give her victory speech.

MP_SE said:

Mail has changed the headline to:

"'I have no GP, I can't get on the housing ladder and have three kids in one room': Cameron is taken to task over immigration on TV debate by '40-year-old Brit who's been working full-time since 16'"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3630039/PM-Farage-battle-Brexit-primetime-referendum-special-Cameron-won-t-debate-EU-head-head.html

This is the problem the remain side don't get. And it isn't just older white men.

BenedictWhite said:

blackburn63 said:

Roger said:

blackburn63 said:

Re tonight's programme, debating who won or lost is futile, we all made up our mind beforehand. But that wide eyed look that Cameron has when dealing with questions from the audience - he's done, gone, a shot fighter.

btw did you see Peston? The poor man looks terribly ill.

His wife died and he's working for a crap TV station. Maybe?

Maybe? We all know his wife died ffs.

You really are a despicable person.

No, someone asked why Peston looked bad... Roger answered pointing out the bleeding obvious.

Is there a problem with that?

AFAIK, Peston had found love again.

Do you think the BSE spin doctors will now be trying to keep Cameron off the air/TV-waves for the next few weeks, and instead push the more trusted (source:YouGov) Corbyn forward for the big gigs?

(I'm only half-joking.)

blackburn63 said:

BenedictWhite said:

blackburn63 said:

Roger said:

blackburn63 said:

Re tonight's programme, debating who won or lost is futile, we all made up our mind beforehand. But that wide eyed look that Cameron has when dealing with questions from the audience - he's done, gone, a shot fighter.

btw did you see Peston? The poor man looks terribly ill.

His wife died and he's working for a crap TV station. Maybe?

Maybe? We all know his wife died ffs.

You really are a despicable person.

No, someone asked why Peston looked bad... Roger answered pointing out the bleeding obvious.

Is there a problem with that?

Nope, I remarked that the poor man looked terribly ill, have a read.

Roger's reply was, at best, crass. I was banned for calling him a fuckin idiot a couple of days ago, he's actually far worse than that, he's intelligent, which makes him malicious.

I don't think so. I think you're picking a fight where none need exist.

peter_from_putney said:

HYUFD said:

peter_from_putney said:

Scott_P said:

@HungryCatfish: @IsabelOakeshott @RaheemKassam #ITVEURef

Even with format of choice, Cameron couldn't win on a Guardian poll. https://t.co/mK6LEO3COS

If that's the opinion of the electorate as a whole, then I'd expect at least a small movement towards LEAVE to appear as the polls in 2-3 days time start to reflect this.

That is an unscientific poll, means little other than Brexiteers are more likely to vote in online polls

Maybe, maybe not, but it was a shocking result for Cameron, even allowing for it being conducted for a left wing newspaper.

I agree we should be wary of instant polls, but even so I would have expected the Guardian readership to be more pro-Remain than that of any other online newspaper. The fact that the online poll was on the Guardian site rather than (say) the Mail or Express makes the result worse not better for Cameron.

Given all the concerns in the Leave camp over the format of tonight's debate, and the potential for a bad Farage performance to halt their recent momentum, Leave dodged a bullet tonight.