That would have been good. I suspect the number of people who actually know their MEP is extremely low.
Well, if you think the Cameron belongs in Oxfordshire (Witney, Chipping Norton), then the MEP who finished top of the list was .......(drum roll) .........Nigel Farage!
ITV host isn't making the interventions with Cameron.
I'm bored here = it's a broadcast from him
Why are you in exile? I enjoy your posts, even if I disagree with them most of the time, I think we could probably have a beer or two and have a laugh, why disappear?
I think she who must be obeyed was displeased with sharingnhim with us
I noticed that! Ridiculously unprofessional of ITV!
I second Richard Tyndall's comments re: @Steven_Whaley . I enjoy the vigorous debates on here, but that isn't to everyone's taste. If you dish it out, you have to be prepared to take it is my attitude. I've been ridiculed on here more times than I care to remember, but I always come back for more debate, and the world would be a very boring place indeed if everyone thought in exactly the same way!
This audience is very good indeed. Tough for both Nige and Dave.
Yes, though Dave's questioners were a tad more polite.
I don't agree. There were at least two that were criticising his renegotiation like a sales manager reprimanding an account rep after a poor client meeting. It was completely demeaning for him.
Does Cameron even know what the Magna f-ing Carta is?
Maybe he thinks it's a small village in Somerset.
Well you don't know what it is either.
It is Magna Carta, not THE Magna Carta.
Magna Carta means The Great Charter.
I know more about it than you ever will.
We used to have great sport with No 10's forum when I was running a parallel operation.
If you posted the great charter in either its original or English translation they took it down.
We wrote scripts to keep tags on what they were taking down. Most was not objectionable...
On day something got posted which was contrary to the 1986 public order act and we removed it straight away but they left it up until I rang them and told them to take it down, I shit you not.
Uninspiring from both sides. I think Farage just edged it though.
My thoughts too - Farage seemed a bit flat and didn't seem to have that spark tonight, thought the answer to the pharma chap was weak and where he struggled most. Cameron looks like a PM nearly at the end of the road, exhausted from 6 and a bit years in office.
I have my own theories about that, namely that 788 790 Finchley Road is getting uncomfortably close to getting out for him, and let me tell you, he will have a lot more to lose than not being PM any more when that day arrives. Its a day that I'm currently working tirelessly away from here and work to bring forward as soon as I possibly can.
Missed the beginning of the debate. Thought Farage was a bit ratty when interrupted. Thought Cameron had it easier and performed better. But I doubt it really matters, although I would keep Gove and Hannan up front wherever possible.
Trump is toast walking. I said it long ago. Even when RodCrosby (disappeared) insisted otherwise.
Disappeared? There was a hiatus in the polls.
Oh look, here's one today...
6/2-6/5 2016 Florida President Trump 41% Clinton 40% PPP
In a head to head match up, Trump leads Clinton 45/44. What’s interesting about that is Clinton actually leads 45/34 with independents. But Trump has the slight overall edge because his 83/9 advantage with Republicans is a good deal better than the 77/14 one Clinton has with Democrats.
Hmm, I wonder which side has a clear presumptive nominee?
Obama won Florida by 1% and won nationally by 3% in 2012 which suggests Hillary has about a a 1% lead nationally if Trump has a 1% lead in Florida
I am not watching the bunfight, because not arsed. However, I can confirm that I am not Casino_Royale. I am, however, SeanT, Paul_Bedfordshire, Razedabode, Stark_Dawning, Jobabob, TykeJonno, Wanderer, Mortimer, rottenborough, PlatoSays, chestnut, and Tim_B. It's a gestalt thing...
I am OGH and RCS and TSE as well
Hahahwhababaha
Wasn't there a Philip K Dick where where the detective investigates the murder and finds out that he was the murderer? He also did one were somebody searching for a replicant finds out he is one ...and no, it isn't Blade Runner
I am not watching the bunfight, because not arsed. However, I can confirm that I am not Casino_Royale. I am, however, SeanT, Paul_Bedfordshire, Razedabode, Stark_Dawning, Jobabob, TykeJonno, Wanderer, Mortimer, rottenborough, PlatoSays, chestnut, and Tim_B. It's a gestalt thing...
This audience is very good indeed. Tough for both Nige and Dave.
Yes, though Dave's questioners were a tad more polite.
I don't agree. There were at least two that were criticising his renegotiation like a sales manager reprimanding an account rep after a poor client meeting. It was completely demeaning for him.
Richly deserved. I can't remember who on here described it as "the worst deal since Esau", but that's about he size of it.
This audience is very good indeed. Tough for both Nige and Dave.
Yes, though Dave's questioners were a tad more polite.
I don't agree. There were at least two that were criticising his renegotiation like a sales manager reprimanding an account rep after a poor client meeting. It was completely demeaning for him.
Richly deserved. I can't remember who on here described it as "the worst deal since Esau", but that's about he size of it.
So all this money that's flooding out of the UK because of Brexit risk...
The stock market is up Bond yields are down House prices are up
What exactly was this money invested in before it was moved offshore? Fine wine and classic cars?
My stocks have picked up a bit, but most of them (HSBC, Rio Tinto etc) make most of their earnings outside the UK. With earnings in USD their value goes up when Sterling slides. To a degree it is a hedge against depreciation.
Leave 3.85 now. The market clearly does think Cameron won that on some level, if only by a head.
To be honest I'm not entirely sure why.
I think Dave didn't drop a bollock, that's how these things work, you win them by not fecking up.
I also think ORB disavowing themselves of the Telegraph's reporting of their polls, and Mike and John Curtice highlighting it, has been influential today as well.
Yes, there's definitely huge millage in making the jingoistic case for Remain - Good old Britain in the thick of it, saving those Europeans from themselves again. Let's have a bit of romance and soaring passion. (Contrast with stale old Leave, the height of whose ambition is turning us into the world's largest ferry port.)
Trump is toast walking. I said it long ago. Even when RodCrosby (disappeared) insisted otherwise.
Disappeared? There was a hiatus in the polls.
Oh look, here's one today...
6/2-6/5 2016 Florida President Trump 41% Clinton 40% PPP
In a head to head match up, Trump leads Clinton 45/44. What’s interesting about that is Clinton actually leads 45/34 with independents. But Trump has the slight overall edge because his 83/9 advantage with Republicans is a good deal better than the 77/14 one Clinton has with Democrats.
Hmm, I wonder which side has a clear presumptive nominee?
Obama won Florida by 1% and won nationally by 3% in 2012 which suggests Hillary has about a a 1% lead nationally if Trump has a 1% lead in Florida
So all this money that's flooding out of the UK because of Brexit risk...
The stock market is up Bond yields are down House prices are up
What exactly was this money invested in before it was moved offshore? Fine wine and classic cars?
My stocks have picked up a bit, but most of them (HSBC, Rio Tinto etc) make most of their earnings outside the UK. With earnings in USD their value goes up when Sterling slides. To a degree it is a hedge against depreciation.
People are assuming there will be an emergency QE influx (to avoid liquidity issues) if there is a Brexit vote.
QE = Interest rates down --> FX rate down QE = asset price inflation --> stock market up
@NCPoliticsEU: Betting markets have been moving against #brexit since lunchtime (mostly before #ITVEURef), now down to 26% #EUref https://t.co/a5nCm2mvJ0
This audience is very good indeed. Tough for both Nige and Dave.
Yes, though Dave's questioners were a tad more polite.
I don't agree. There were at least two that were criticising his renegotiation like a sales manager reprimanding an account rep after a poor client meeting. It was completely demeaning for him.
And?
He's our rep, and done a bad bad job. What was he expecting?
ITV host isn't making the interventions with Cameron.
I'm bored here = it's a broadcast from him
Why are you in exile? I enjoy your posts, even if I disagree with them most of the time, I think we could probably have a beer or two and have a laugh, why disappear?
I think tyson said he was overly invested, emotionally, in the vote, and starting to get obsessive and cranky, to the detriment of normal life.
I'm sure plenty on here can empathise. I can.
Indeed, I tend to only post during work hours for that reason, on weekends I'm delivering a lot of leaflets which keeps me away from here as well.
ITV host isn't making the interventions with Cameron.
I'm bored here = it's a broadcast from him
Why are you in exile? I enjoy your posts, even if I disagree with them most of the time, I think we could probably have a beer or two and have a laugh, why disappear?
I think she who must be obeyed was displeased with sharingnhim with us
Yes, there's definitely huge millage in making the jingoistic case for Remain - Good old Britain in the thick of it, saving those Europeans from themselves again. Let's have a bit of romance and soaring passion. (Contrast with stale old Leave, the height of whose ambition is turning us into the world's largest ferry port.)
Nah. We want to be pirates and corsairs on the open seas. What is more romantic than that!!!
Yes, there's definitely huge millage in making the jingoistic case for Remain - Good old Britain in the thick of it, saving those Europeans from themselves again. Let's have a bit of romance and soaring passion. (Contrast with stale old Leave, the height of whose ambition is turning us into the world's largest ferry port.)
Nah. We want to be pirates and corsairs on the open seas. What is more romantic than that!!!
@Jeremy_Hunt: Net EU contributions could only run NHS for 19 days but for the other 346 days NHS needs a strong economy not a Brexit recession#ITVEURef
Less doom and gloom, which is a refreshing change.
They've been looking for a new non-negative non-fear based positive EU line for a long time.
Well, they haven't been able to find that for the EU. So I take it this is it.
The EU is kinda crap, you must admit? Maybe a necessary evil.
No. It is an undemocratic protection racket that is threatening punishment and consequences for members that Leave. That's what East Germany did to its citizens that wanted to leave.
A EU worth staying in would take reform seriously, engage seriously with those who were thinking of leaving and both welcome new members or wave a sad but friendly goodbye to those who wanted to go.
It has to do the former rather than the latter precisely because it is undemocratic.
I love ITV's totally representative 'floating voters'. 60% white, 40% black (judging by accent not UK born), no Asians and no pensioners. They come down on Mr Cameron's side. What a surprise!
Trump is toast walking. I said it long ago. Even when RodCrosby (disappeared) insisted otherwise.
Disappeared? There was a hiatus in the polls.
Oh look, here's one today...
6/2-6/5 2016 Florida President Trump 41% Clinton 40% PPP
In a head to head match up, Trump leads Clinton 45/44. What’s interesting about that is Clinton actually leads 45/34 with independents. But Trump has the slight overall edge because his 83/9 advantage with Republicans is a good deal better than the 77/14 one Clinton has with Democrats.
Hmm, I wonder which side has a clear presumptive nominee?
Obama won Florida by 1% and won nationally by 3% in 2012 which suggests Hillary has about a a 1% lead nationally if Trump has a 1% lead in Florida
Uninspiring from both sides. I think Farage just edged it though.
Well, if you were not enthusiastic about either side already then that will not have changed certainly.
I'm for Remain but I was unimpressed with Cameron this evening. Looked like he was just going through the motions.
Farage was more convincing but his shoutiness was off-putting.
I agree that Farage was a bit shouty - on the other hand, lots of questioners didn't bother waiting for an answer and I didn't think the presenter handled it very well. People were a lot more deferential towards the PM.
@Jeremy_Hunt: Net EU contributions could only run NHS for 19 days but for the other 346 days NHS needs a strong economy not a Brexit recession#ITVEURef
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The ITV lady should've kept a much tighter rein on his half of the show.
I second Richard Tyndall's comments re: @Steven_Whaley . I enjoy the vigorous debates on here, but that isn't to everyone's taste. If you dish it out, you have to be prepared to take it is my attitude. I've been ridiculed on here more times than I care to remember, but I always come back for more debate, and the world would be a very boring place indeed if everyone thought in exactly the same way!
But ... was there anything that the 10 O'clock news or morning papers will latch onto? Fallout from these events can take 24 hours to materialise.
So he wants people to think Leave = UKIP.
Whether that will work I don't know - but that's his thinking.
If you posted the great charter in either its original or English translation they took it down.
We wrote scripts to keep tags on what they were taking down. Most was not objectionable...
On day something got posted which was contrary to the 1986 public order act and we removed it straight away but they left it up until I rang them and told them to take it down, I shit you not.
Betfair makes Dave the winner.
Missed the debate though as other half watching Love Island. I think that is another programme to Farage vs Cameron!
The stock market is up
Bond yields are down
House prices are up
What exactly was this money invested in before it was moved offshore? Fine wine and classic cars?
https://twitter.com/StrongerIn/status/740283325001129984
I have my own theories about that, namely that 788 790 Finchley Road is getting uncomfortably close to getting out for him, and let me tell you, he will have a lot more to lose than not being PM any more when that day arrives. Its a day that I'm currently working tirelessly away from here and work to bring forward as soon as I possibly can.
Leave out from 3.6 to 3.85 since 9pm.
To be honest I'm not entirely sure why.
@George_Osborne: Great Britain not Little England. That's who we are. That's what's at stake. PM at his best #StrongerIn
Well, they haven't been able to find that for the EU. So I take it this is it.
I also think ORB disavowing themselves of the Telegraph's reporting of their polls, and Mike and John Curtice highlighting it, has been influential today as well.
It was hilarious.
Can Remain win on those figures?
https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/740229028632793088
I'd vote for her.
QE = Interest rates down --> FX rate down
QE = asset price inflation --> stock market up
He's our rep, and done a bad bad job. What was he expecting?
:-)
We can all agree on that.
@Jeremy_Hunt: Net EU contributions could only run NHS for 19 days but for the other 346 days NHS needs a strong economy not a Brexit recession#ITVEURef
Am off to watch Farage/Cameron on Catch Up.
Will post my (completely unbiased) opinion later.
A EU worth staying in would take reform seriously, engage seriously with those who were thinking of leaving and both welcome new members or wave a sad but friendly goodbye to those who wanted to go.
It has to do the former rather than the latter precisely because it is undemocratic.
Ha!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/
Farage was more convincing but his shoutiness was off-putting.
Their approach to developing websites for government departments is superb.
Look at how awesome this is
https://www.gov.uk/performance/register-to-vote
Just going to https://www.gov.uk/performance/ allows you to browse hundreds of really interesting metrics pages.
Osborne and Cameron incapable of doing anything other than parroting their tried and tested attack lines.
https://twitter.com/MarkKirk/status/740266906922438656
The problem here is that not enough of our current crop have watched that.
@euromove: This is what the EU debate is about. https://t.co/xEVv9EfYk3
"Imagine thin-skinned Trump not with his Twitter account but with the full force of the US Military at his disposal"