Just in case people are wondering what is happening in America - Trump continues to get the worst possible options on his Trump University scam court case, keep it in the news cycle and get a swathe of Republicans who have endorsed him to openly call his statements racist.
Just in case you are wondering why his price is drifting.
Trump U is a complete non-issue here.
At least it would be if Trump would stop talking about it. Criticising the judge's rulings etc is fair game, but attacking the judge personally is really really dumb. Even Newt said it's the worst mistake Trump has made.
Trump needs to shut up about it pronto and move on to immigration, the economy etc which are winning issues - calling the judge's heritage into question is not.
On Sunday a Trump staffer sent out the weeks talking points to surrogates and one of the points was "Say nothing about Trump University. If forced say 'The matter will be settled in the courts not in the media'.
On Monday in a conference call with surrogates Trump said that was stupid advice, the staffer was not that bright and surrogates should relentlessly attack on the issue and call anyone who questions Trump the real racists.
Just in case people are wondering what is happening in America - Trump continues to get the worst possible options on his Trump University scam court case, keep it in the news cycle and get a swathe of Republicans who have endorsed him to openly call his statements racist.
Just in case you are wondering why his price is drifting.
Trump U is a complete non-issue here.
At least it would be if Trump would stop talking about it. Criticising the judge's rulings etc is fair game, but attacking the judge personally is really really dumb. Even Newt said it's the worst mistake Trump has made.
Trump needs to shut up about it pronto and move on to immigration, the economy etc which are winning issues - calling the judge's heritage into question is not.
Trump is screwed whatever he does. He is finished.
It's way too soon to say that - but this doesn't help him any, that's for sure.
It's not too soon to say it. He cannot win. He is see widely, across the US, as being unsuitable to be president. Even among many lifelong Republicans.
He is, and being nailed by someone of South Asian decent who is harder to accuse of racism, followed by a black lady on the same theme but directed to the NHS.
He is being nailed.
Also expect Hilary Benn's "immigration is a price worth paying" to be hammered and hammered again.
The issue of the referendum is migration. You cannot control migration inside the EU. Cameron is getting shish kebabbed over this because there is no answer other than "they can come in"
For the record I am extremely sorry that Steven Whaley has decided to leave PB.
He and I are diametrically opposed in our views of the way Europe should develop but, like a few other Europhile contributors, he has never hidden his views or tried to pretend that he was anything other than a federalist. He always argued his case politely and never resorted to insult nor tried to pretend that his view for Britain was anything other than what he strongly believed in. I think he was a great contributor to the site and hope he will one day change his mind.
For those criticising his departure it is worth remembering that not everyone enjoys the sort of forthright arguments that many of us are happy to indulge in. It takes all sorts and Steven simply wasn't the sort of person to accept the sorts of attacks that many of us are used to and accept without comment.
I am probably not going to change my bad behaviour and don't expect anyone else to either but I am still very sorry to see him go.
It's good that at least both politicians appear to be getting difficult questions. I don't think the format works though - a politician in a debate with an ordinary voter is going to be doing so with one hand tied behind his back due to the need not to appear like they are arguing. A debate between Farage and Cameron would be far more watchable.
Having said that, I think Cameron is doing rather better than Farage, partially assisted by more polite questioners.
I am not watching the bunfight, because not arsed. However, I can confirm that I am not Casino_Royale. I am, however, SeanT, Paul_Bedfordshire, Razedabode, Stark_Dawning, Jobabob, TykeJonno, Wanderer, Mortimer, rottenborough, PlatoSays, chestnut, and Tim_B. It's a gestalt thing...
I missed the beginning of the Farage/Cameron "debate". How was it decided who went first with the audience questions, I presume Cameron was able to listen to the first half.
He looks exhausted - and a little frightened. Exposed.
I think it's finally dawning on him that he doesn't have the almighty powers of persuading the country that he previously thought he had.
The Tory hubris and overrating of their Election victory last year (a victory in which, although they obviously outperformed expectations, was still at the end of the day only a scrape over the line against Ed Miliband) really did him no favours. It meant he came into this referendum campaign far too complacent and unprepared.
Just in case people are wondering what is happening in America - Trump continues to get the worst possible options on his Trump University scam court case, keep it in the news cycle and get a swathe of Republicans who have endorsed him to openly call his statements racist.
Just in case you are wondering why his price is drifting.
Trump U is a complete non-issue here.
At least it would be if Trump would stop talking about it. Criticising the judge's rulings etc is fair game, but attacking the judge personally is really really dumb. Even Newt said it's the worst mistake Trump has made.
Trump needs to shut up about it pronto and move on to immigration, the economy etc which are winning issues - calling the judge's heritage into question is not.
Trump is screwed whatever he does. He is finished.
It's way too soon to say that - but this doesn't help him any, that's for sure.
It's not too soon to say it. He cannot win. He is see widely, across the US, as being unsuitable to be president. Even among many lifelong Republicans.
The immigration debate wouldn't be like this if Blair and Brown hadn't used immigration to massage the GDP top line. If we'd had the same policy as France and Germany after the A10 joined this wouldn't be happening.
I am not watching the bunfight, because not arsed. However, I can confirm that I am not Casino_Royale. I am, however, SeanT, Paul_Bedfordshire, Razedabode, Stark_Dawning, Jobabob, TykeJonno, Wanderer, Mortimer, rottenborough, PlatoSays, chestnut, and Tim_B. It's a gestalt thing...
The immigration debate wouldn't be like this if Blair and Brown hadn't used immigration to massage the GDP top line. If we'd had the same policy as France and Germany after the A10 joined this wouldn't be happening.
As a pro-European it's sad to listen to this.
You reckon? Surely it would have just delayed it as we're now seeing with Romania and Bulgaria.
I am not watching the bunfight, because not arsed. However, I can confirm that I am not Casino_Royale. I am, however, SeanT, Paul_Bedfordshire, Razedabode, Stark_Dawning, Jobabob, TykeJonno, Wanderer, Mortimer, rottenborough, PlatoSays, chestnut, and Tim_B. It's a gestalt thing...
I am not watching the bunfight, because not arsed. However, I can confirm that I am not Casino_Royale. I am, however, SeanT, Paul_Bedfordshire, Razedabode, Stark_Dawning, Jobabob, TykeJonno, Wanderer, Mortimer, rottenborough, PlatoSays, chestnut, and Tim_B. It's a gestalt thing...
The immigration debate wouldn't be like this if Blair and Brown hadn't used immigration to massage the GDP top line. If we'd had the same policy as France and Germany after the A10 joined this wouldn't be happening.
As a pro-European it's sad to listen to this.
To be fair some civil servant told them 10-15k per annum would turn up. A slight miscalculation I think we can all agree.
The immigration debate wouldn't be like this if Blair and Brown hadn't used immigration to massage the GDP top line. If we'd had the same policy as France and Germany after the A10 joined this wouldn't be happening.
As a pro-European it's sad to listen to this.
And they did at the expense of the per capita income, which is why people are negative about immigration, it lowers wealth and living standards for the average person.
I am not watching the bunfight, because not arsed. However, I can confirm that I am not Casino_Royale. I am, however, SeanT, Paul_Bedfordshire, Razedabode, Stark_Dawning, Jobabob, TykeJonno, Wanderer, Mortimer, rottenborough, PlatoSays, chestnut, and Tim_B. It's a gestalt thing...
I am not watching the bunfight, because not arsed. However, I can confirm that I am not Casino_Royale. I am, however, SeanT, Paul_Bedfordshire, Razedabode, Stark_Dawning, Jobabob, TykeJonno, Wanderer, Mortimer, rottenborough, PlatoSays, chestnut, and Tim_B. It's a gestalt thing...
I was just checking that you're not me...
The pod is germinating...it's only a matter of time...
Cameron slightly improving here, helped by some easily waffled-away questions.
I think your right when you say the magic has gone. He answers competently, looks prime ministerial at times but does anyone actually believe him anymore?
The immigration debate wouldn't be like this if Blair and Brown hadn't used immigration to massage the GDP top line. If we'd had the same policy as France and Germany after the A10 joined this wouldn't be happening.
As a pro-European it's sad to listen to this.
Bottom line is that the political classes just don't feel the pain.
It is a price worth paying for the son of Viscount Stansgate, who doesn't actually have to pay it though the good Viscount was clearly an outer.
Does Cameron even know what the Magna f-ing Carta is?
Maybe he thinks it's a small village in Somerset.
Well you don't know what it is either.
It is Magna Carta, not THE Magna Carta.
Magna Carta means The Great Charter.
I know more about it than you ever will.
Clearly you don't, or you wouldn't have called it The Magna Carta.
He didn't. He said the Magna f-ing Carta, not The Magna Carta. Even dropping the swear word, there was no capitalised T which makes a difference or you wouldn't have written it.
I am not watching the bunfight, because not arsed. However, I can confirm that I am not Casino_Royale. I am, however, SeanT, Paul_Bedfordshire, Razedabode, Stark_Dawning, Jobabob, TykeJonno, Wanderer, Mortimer, rottenborough, PlatoSays, chestnut, and Tim_B. It's a gestalt thing...
Trump is toast walking. I said it long ago. Even when RodCrosby (disappeared) insisted otherwise.
Disappeared? There was a hiatus in the polls.
Oh look, here's one today...
6/2-6/5 2016 Florida President Trump 41% Clinton 40% PPP
In a head to head match up, Trump leads Clinton 45/44. What’s interesting about that is Clinton actually leads 45/34 with independents. But Trump has the slight overall edge because his 83/9 advantage with Republicans is a good deal better than the 77/14 one Clinton has with Democrats.
Hmm, I wonder which side has a clear presumptive nominee?
Really big mistake to repeat the LITTLE ENGLAND line
The people he needs to win over are the white working classes in England
Stupid. A basic error early Cameron would not have made.
Yeah, it must have been focus grouped because it just sounds bad. He should have just made the positive case without going on the negatives in his closing remark.
ITV host isn't making the interventions with Cameron.
I'm bored here = it's a broadcast from him
Why are you in exile? I enjoy your posts, even if I disagree with them most of the time, I think we could probably have a beer or two and have a laugh, why disappear?
That would have been good. I suspect the number of people who actually know their MEP is extremely low.
Well, if you think the Cameron belongs in Oxfordshire (Witney, Chipping Norton), then the MEP who finished top of the list was .......(drum roll) .........Nigel Farage!
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On Monday in a conference call with surrogates Trump said that was stupid advice, the staffer was not that bright and surrogates should relentlessly attack on the issue and call anyone who questions Trump the real racists.
Jaw dropping stuff.
He is being nailed.
Also expect Hilary Benn's "immigration is a price worth paying" to be hammered and hammered again.
Having said that, I think Cameron is doing rather better than Farage, partially assisted by more polite questioners.
The Tory hubris and overrating of their Election victory last year (a victory in which, although they obviously outperformed expectations, was still at the end of the day only a scrape over the line against Ed Miliband) really did him no favours. It meant he came into this referendum campaign far too complacent and unprepared.
There was almost nothing in that Queens Speech.
If you can't be objective why do you bother
As a pro-European it's sad to listen to this.
Maybe he thinks it's a small village in Somerset.
Oh look, here's one today...
6/2-6/5
2016 Florida President
Trump 41% Clinton 40%
PPP
Little European.
Hahahwhababaha
It is Magna Carta, not THE Magna Carta.
Magna Carta means The Great Charter.
Did that poor girl die in vain?
(Oh fuck, I didn't even need to look it up. I am an adult with a mortgage, really...
Trump is toast.
It is a price worth paying for the son of Viscount Stansgate, who doesn't actually have to pay it though the good Viscount was clearly an outer.
And, on that note, I am placing myself back into a self imposed exile.
"Can I get 20 Rothmans, please?"
"Who is your MEP?"
"I don't know. Can I just have the cigarettes?"
"WHO IS YOUR MEP?"
Again - for 3rd time - he says "Leave = Farage"
I am.
"Farage = Little England option"
The point he knows is that Leave is more popular than Farage. So he equates Leave to Farage.
Hmm, I wonder which side has a clear presumptive nominee?
Don't choose the Nigel Farage little Englander option.
In 1.35 (from 1.38 at 9pm)
Out 3.75 (from 3.6 at 9pm)
https://www.supremecourt.uk/docs/speech-150309.pdf
Edit: damn, logged into the wrong identity
Which is about as useful as a chocolate fireguard.
I think even Dopey Dave would have got that.