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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492

    Danny565 said:

    Do you think the BSE spin doctors will now be trying to keep Cameron off the air/TV-waves for the next few weeks, and instead push the more trusted (source:YouGov) Corbyn forward for the big gigs?

    (I'm only half-joking.)

    Gordon Brown is being deployed next.

    I'm not kidding.
    How would you price up IN/OUT after tonight?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 78,069
    edited June 2016

    Danny565 said:

    Do you think the BSE spin doctors will now be trying to keep Cameron off the air/TV-waves for the next few weeks, and instead push the more trusted (source:YouGov) Corbyn forward for the big gigs?

    (I'm only half-joking.)

    Gordon Brown is being deployed next.

    I'm not kidding.
    Was Ken Livingstone busy? Perhaps his new gig with Jezza's favourite newspaper the Morning Star is keeping him occupied...not the sort of occupied France was by Hitler...
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,306

    Danny565 said:

    Do you think the BSE spin doctors will now be trying to keep Cameron off the air/TV-waves for the next few weeks, and instead push the more trusted (source:YouGov) Corbyn forward for the big gigs?

    (I'm only half-joking.)

    Gordon Brown is being deployed next.

    I'm not kidding.
    Oh God.
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944

    Roger said:

    Re tonight's programme, debating who won or lost is futile, we all made up our mind beforehand. But that wide eyed look that Cameron has when dealing with questions from the audience - he's done, gone, a shot fighter.

    btw did you see Peston? The poor man looks terribly ill.

    His wife died and he's working for a crap TV station. Maybe?
    Maybe? We all know his wife died ffs.

    You really are a despicable person.
    No, someone asked why Peston looked bad... Roger answered pointing out the bleeding obvious.

    Is there a problem with that?
    Nope, I remarked that the poor man looked terribly ill, have a read.

    Roger's reply was, at best, crass. I was banned for calling him a fuckin idiot a couple of days ago, he's actually far worse than that, he's intelligent, which makes him malicious.
    I don't think so. I think you're picking a fight where none need exist.
    I'll pick a fight with champagne socialists any day. Roger saw who'd posted about Peston and waded in without thinking.

    He;s an ad man, full of bullshit, he knows he fucked up.
    Why don't you just pick it when he is champaign socialising?
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    Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,419

    Danny565 said:

    Do you think the BSE spin doctors will now be trying to keep Cameron off the air/TV-waves for the next few weeks, and instead push the more trusted (source:YouGov) Corbyn forward for the big gigs?

    (I'm only half-joking.)

    Gordon Brown is being deployed next.

    I'm not kidding.
    That's not actually the worst idea. Gordon's SindyRef speech genuinely brought a lump to my throat. People might just trust the man who saved the world to foretell its doom.
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,390
    Does anybody remember when PB Tories used to mock Labour for hating a leader who gave them a majority
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,191
    edited June 2016
    Here's something about Lord Hayward (the guy who is supposedly calling the referendum for LEAVE tomorrow) from January 2015

    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2015/01/will-the-shy-tories-clinch-another-general-election.html

    Looks like he's got a decent record...
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    PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,274
    edited June 2016
    Danny565 said:

    Do you think the BSE spin doctors will now be trying to keep Cameron off the air/TV-waves for the next few weeks, and instead push the more trusted (source:YouGov) Corbyn forward for the big gigs?

    (I'm only half-joking.)

    Cameron had a perfect script from Harold Wilson in 1975. He maintained a dignified detachment and intervened to good effect only in the final week of the campaign. Cameron ignored this, went for overkill and risks becoming a faintly absurd figure.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 115,948

    Danny565 said:

    Do you think the BSE spin doctors will now be trying to keep Cameron off the air/TV-waves for the next few weeks, and instead push the more trusted (source:YouGov) Corbyn forward for the big gigs?

    (I'm only half-joking.)

    Gordon Brown is being deployed next.

    I'm not kidding.
    Was Ken Livingstone busy?
    He's going to be Cameron's Blücher once again.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 115,948
    GIN1138 said:

    Here's something about Lord Hayward (the guy who is supposedly calling the referendum for LEAVE tomorrow) from January 2015

    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2015/01/will-the-shy-tories-clinch-another-general-election.html

    Looks like he's got a decent record...

    He's a friend of PB and Mike knows him quite well.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 19,300

    Roger said:

    Re tonight's programme, debating who won or lost is futile, we all made up our mind beforehand. But that wide eyed look that Cameron has when dealing with questions from the audience - he's done, gone, a shot fighter.

    btw did you see Peston? The poor man looks terribly ill.

    His wife died and he's working for a crap TV station. Maybe?
    Maybe? We all know his wife died ffs.

    You really are a despicable person.
    No, someone asked why Peston looked bad... Roger answered pointing out the bleeding obvious.

    Is there a problem with that?
    Nope, I remarked that the poor man looked terribly ill, have a read.

    Roger's reply was, at best, crass. I was banned for calling him a fuckin idiot a couple of days ago, he's actually far worse than that, he's intelligent, which makes him malicious.
    I don't think so. I think you're picking a fight where none need exist.
    I'll pick a fight with champagne socialists any day. Roger saw who'd posted about Peston and waded in without thinking.

    He;s an ad man, full of bullshit, he knows he fucked up.
    You obviously have a problem with me. For the record no malice was intended to you or Peston. It was just my best guess
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    Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237
    What to make of anything Dan Hannan says? Bollocks!
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Pulpstar said:

    hunchman said:

    MP_SE said:

    hunchman said:
    Why did GKP's share price tank? I thought they could extract oil despite the troubles in the region. I remember when it was around £1 now it is £0.04...
    Splendid question! The share price peaked at 411p on the 17th February 2012, and you may wish to have a look for yourself in the following accounts when surprise surprise many of the share options were exercised just for starters:

    https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/05288855/filing-history

    and private investors in M&G have lost out on this company:

    http://www.shareprophets.com/views/20029/gulf-keystone-morons-what-was-that-you-were-saying-about-institutional-backing-mg-dumps-its-shares
    Any stock tips Hunchman, or is quadruple witching hour approaching :D ?
    I have my own opinions but I offer my opinions as you know and not financial advice.

    Well as I said below, I'm working tirelessly on 788 790 Finchley Road - I must admit that it has become something of an addictive obsession - some people find paperwork and company accounts to go through very boring, but my dad was an accountant so I hope given my upbringing I know what to look for.

    If you took a look at Gulf Keystone Petroleum (UK) Ltd, you'll notice that its parent company is in Bermuda, and in their accounts the turnover has gradually decreased from £10m in 2011/12 to £6.5m for the last set of accounts, and if you look in the notes to the accounts there is absolutely no notes about the turnover whatsoever, and yet there are notes on things of a much less material value!
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,191
    edited June 2016

    GIN1138 said:

    Here's something about Lord Hayward (the guy who is supposedly calling the referendum for LEAVE tomorrow) from January 2015

    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2015/01/will-the-shy-tories-clinch-another-general-election.html

    Looks like he's got a decent record...

    He's a friend of PB and Mike knows him quite well.
    Mike S is very well connected... You'll have to see if you can get an inside scoope from Lord H on his Brexit forecast.

    Meanwhile. what we wouldn't all give to have a really good gander at Jack's ARSE right about now! :(
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 115,948
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Here's something about Lord Hayward (the guy who is supposedly calling the referendum for LEAVE tomorrow) from January 2015

    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2015/01/will-the-shy-tories-clinch-another-general-election.html

    Looks like he's got a decent record...

    He's a friend of PB and Mike knows him quite well.
    Mike S is very well connected... You'll have to see if you can get an inside scope from Lord H on his Brexit forecast.

    Meanwhile. what we wouldn't all give to have a really good gander at Jack's ARSE right about now! :(
    I'll drop them all an email and see what's going on.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,191
    edited June 2016

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Here's something about Lord Hayward (the guy who is supposedly calling the referendum for LEAVE tomorrow) from January 2015

    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2015/01/will-the-shy-tories-clinch-another-general-election.html

    Looks like he's got a decent record...

    He's a friend of PB and Mike knows him quite well.
    Mike S is very well connected... You'll have to see if you can get an inside scope from Lord H on his Brexit forecast.

    Meanwhile. what we wouldn't all give to have a really good gander at Jack's ARSE right about now! :(
    I'll drop them all an email and see what's going on.
    :smiley:
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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Re tonight's programme, debating who won or lost is futile, we all made up our mind beforehand. But that wide eyed look that Cameron has when dealing with questions from the audience - he's done, gone, a shot fighter.

    btw did you see Peston? The poor man looks terribly ill.

    His wife died and he's working for a crap TV station. Maybe?
    Maybe? We all know his wife died ffs.

    You really are a despicable person.
    No, someone asked why Peston looked bad... Roger answered pointing out the bleeding obvious.

    Is there a problem with that?
    Nope, I remarked that the poor man looked terribly ill, have a read.

    Roger's reply was, at best, crass. I was banned for calling him a fuckin idiot a couple of days ago, he's actually far worse than that, he's intelligent, which makes him malicious.
    I don't think so. I think you're picking a fight where none need exist.
    I'll pick a fight with champagne socialists any day. Roger saw who'd posted about Peston and waded in without thinking.

    He;s an ad man, full of bullshit, he knows he fucked up.
    You obviously have a problem with me. For the record no malice was intended to you or Peston. It was just my best guess
    I've never met you. But I have read your posts, your suggestion that Leavers are the Jeremy Kyle audience, that we face penury if we Leave, and that advertising is little to do with truth but all about perception.

    All posted from the French Riviera.

    I've got your measure and you know it, you're a nasty piece of work.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    edited June 2016
    PeterC said:

    Danny565 said:

    Do you think the BSE spin doctors will now be trying to keep Cameron off the air/TV-waves for the next few weeks, and instead push the more trusted (source:YouGov) Corbyn forward for the big gigs?

    (I'm only half-joking.)

    Cameron had a perfect script from Harold Wilson in 1975. He maintained a dignified detachment and intervened to good effect only in the final week of the campaign. Cameron ignored this, went for overkill and risks becoming a faintly absurd figure.
    People said Cameron was crazy for constantly saying he could win a majority......
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 115,948
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Here's something about Lord Hayward (the guy who is supposedly calling the referendum for LEAVE tomorrow) from January 2015

    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2015/01/will-the-shy-tories-clinch-another-general-election.html

    Looks like he's got a decent record...

    He's a friend of PB and Mike knows him quite well.
    Mike S is very well connected... You'll have to see if you can get an inside scope from Lord H on his Brexit forecast.

    Meanwhile. what we wouldn't all give to have a really good gander at Jack's ARSE right about now! :(
    I'll drop them all an email and see what's going on.
    :smiley:
    Lord Hayward. I have his email somewhere.

    I'll ask Mike to ring Jack tomorrow to see how the old rogue is.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,191

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Re tonight's programme, debating who won or lost is futile, we all made up our mind beforehand. But that wide eyed look that Cameron has when dealing with questions from the audience - he's done, gone, a shot fighter.

    btw did you see Peston? The poor man looks terribly ill.

    His wife died and he's working for a crap TV station. Maybe?
    Maybe? We all know his wife died ffs.

    You really are a despicable person.
    No, someone asked why Peston looked bad... Roger answered pointing out the bleeding obvious.

    Is there a problem with that?
    Nope, I remarked that the poor man looked terribly ill, have a read.

    Roger's reply was, at best, crass. I was banned for calling him a fuckin idiot a couple of days ago, he's actually far worse than that, he's intelligent, which makes him malicious.
    I don't think so. I think you're picking a fight where none need exist.
    I'll pick a fight with champagne socialists any day. Roger saw who'd posted about Peston and waded in without thinking.

    He;s an ad man, full of bullshit, he knows he fucked up.
    You obviously have a problem with me. For the record no malice was intended to you or Peston. It was just my best guess
    I've never met you. But I have read your posts, your suggestion that Leavers are the Jeremy Kyle audience, that we face penury if we Leave, and that advertising is little to do with truth but all about perception.

    All posted from the French Riviera.

    I've got your measure and you know it, you're a nasty piece of work.
    Roger is a fellow "Casablanca" fan so he's not all bad! :smiley:
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,191

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Here's something about Lord Hayward (the guy who is supposedly calling the referendum for LEAVE tomorrow) from January 2015

    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2015/01/will-the-shy-tories-clinch-another-general-election.html

    Looks like he's got a decent record...

    He's a friend of PB and Mike knows him quite well.
    Mike S is very well connected... You'll have to see if you can get an inside scope from Lord H on his Brexit forecast.

    Meanwhile. what we wouldn't all give to have a really good gander at Jack's ARSE right about now! :(
    I'll drop them all an email and see what's going on.
    :smiley:
    Lord Hayward. I have his email somewhere.

    I'll ask Mike to ring Jack tomorrow to see how the old rogue is.
    Would be nice to know how Jack's doing.
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    Danny565 said:

    Do you think the BSE spin doctors will now be trying to keep Cameron off the air/TV-waves for the next few weeks, and instead push the more trusted (source:YouGov) Corbyn forward for the big gigs?

    (I'm only half-joking.)

    Gordon Brown is being deployed next.

    I'm not kidding.
    How would you price up IN/OUT after tonight?
    Probably unchanged - a poor one hour Q&A session with the protagonists kept apart and a nerdy, self-opinionated audience, who mostly refused to be shut up.
    Anyway, probably something like 90% of likely voters have now made up their minds.
    REMAIN must surely be taking comfort from the hundreds of thousands of mainly young voters who have registered in the last few days .... they might just make the difference in REMAIN's favour.
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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    Somebody wants £15k at 2/5 on betfair. Hills in Leeds will take it.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 115,948
    Just have a look at the Aussie scorecard from the Saffers v Aussies one dayer (is on Sky Sports 3 now)

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/scorecard/ECKP90932
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Here's something about Lord Hayward (the guy who is supposedly calling the referendum for LEAVE tomorrow) from January 2015

    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2015/01/will-the-shy-tories-clinch-another-general-election.html

    Looks like he's got a decent record...

    He's a friend of PB and Mike knows him quite well.
    Mike S is very well connected... You'll have to see if you can get an inside scope from Lord H on his Brexit forecast.

    Meanwhile. what we wouldn't all give to have a really good gander at Jack's ARSE right about now! :(
    I'll drop them all an email and see what's going on.
    :smiley:
    Lord Hayward. I have his email somewhere.

    I'll ask Mike to ring Jack tomorrow to see how the old rogue is.
    Very interesting re: Lord Hayward.

    Had a look at Matt Singh and his number crunching politics website tonight - can't say that his methods were very clear to arrive at a 54/46 remain win.

    Will be interested to know the number of people that registered before the deadline tonight ASAP.
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    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Here's something about Lord Hayward (the guy who is supposedly calling the referendum for LEAVE tomorrow) from January 2015

    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2015/01/will-the-shy-tories-clinch-another-general-election.html

    Looks like he's got a decent record...

    He's a friend of PB and Mike knows him quite well.
    Mike S is very well connected... You'll have to see if you can get an inside scoope from Lord H on his Brexit forecast.

    Meanwhile. what we wouldn't all give to have a really good gander at Jack's ARSE right about now! :(
    Don't be so cheeky.
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944

    Danny565 said:

    Do you think the BSE spin doctors will now be trying to keep Cameron off the air/TV-waves for the next few weeks, and instead push the more trusted (source:YouGov) Corbyn forward for the big gigs?

    (I'm only half-joking.)

    Gordon Brown is being deployed next.

    I'm not kidding.
    How would you price up IN/OUT after tonight?
    Probably unchanged - a poor one hour Q&A session with the protagonists kept apart and a nerdy, self-opinionated audience, who mostly refused to be shut up.
    Anyway, probably something like 90% of likely voters have now made up their minds.
    REMAIN must surely be taking comfort from the hundreds of thousands of mainly young voters who have registered in the last few days .... they might just make the difference in REMAIN's favour.
    Unless they're all those pesky WWC voters..

    I'd be interested to see registrations by area.
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    Chris_A said:

    What to make of anything Dan Hannan says? Bollocks!

    EFTA/EEA — probably what he's wanted all along?
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Trump is due to make a statement at 9pm Eastern. There is a teleprompter set up on the platform, rare for Trump, so it should be interesting, as it implies prepared remarks.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 78,069

    Just have a look at the Aussie scorecard from the Saffers v Aussies one dayer (is on Sky Sports 3 now)

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/scorecard/ECKP90932

    Clearly a cracking wicket....Sir Geoffrey would have loved a bat on it.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 93,630
    EPG said:

    Does anybody remember when PB Tories used to mock Labour for hating a leader who gave them a majority

    Yes. The same phenomenon is just as funny now.
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    Danny565 said:

    Do you think the BSE spin doctors will now be trying to keep Cameron off the air/TV-waves for the next few weeks, and instead push the more trusted (source:YouGov) Corbyn forward for the big gigs?

    (I'm only half-joking.)

    Gordon Brown is being deployed next.

    I'm not kidding.
    How would you price up IN/OUT after tonight?
    Probably unchanged - a poor one hour Q&A session with the protagonists kept apart and a nerdy, self-opinionated audience, who mostly refused to be shut up.
    Anyway, probably something like 90% of likely voters have now made up their minds.
    REMAIN must surely be taking comfort from the hundreds of thousands of mainly young voters who have registered in the last few days .... they might just make the difference in REMAIN's favour.
    Unless they're all those pesky WWC voters..

    I'd be interested to see registrations by area.
    I believe figures have been published by the electoral authorities (name?), providing details of the numbers who are newly registered for each of the age bands and these have been absolutely dominated by the youngest such band. Not altogether surprising that there has been such a large last minute rush, bearing in mind the way the establishment BBC has been carpet-bombing the Tuesday deadline across all its networks.
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    Harris_TweedHarris_Tweed Posts: 1,330
    RoyalBlue said:

    surbiton said:
    Does that answer the question though? A declaration will be made for each of the 12 regions but surely the results from the 382 local counts will emerge and be totted up by broadcasters won't they? If not, I'll probably go to bed at 10 and set the alarm for 3.30am. How would the broadcasters fill the time?
    Can somebody confirm this either way please?
    Check out P3 of this pdf (numbered P2 of the doc).

    The suggestion is that local declarations are allowed once the RCO has approved the (local) figures. I'm not sure who'll be there to cheer some of them, mind you! There's also a link to a spreadsheet of estimated (local) count times.

    http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0013/206113/Media-briefing-EU-Referendum-count-processes-and-results.pdf

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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 49,221

    Just have a look at the Aussie scorecard from the Saffers v Aussies one dayer (is on Sky Sports 3 now)

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/scorecard/ECKP90932

    Clearly a cracking wicket....Sir Geoffrey would have loved a bat on it.
    Does he still do the pitch reviews where he tampers with the wicket with his car-keys in plain sight?
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944

    Danny565 said:

    Do you think the BSE spin doctors will now be trying to keep Cameron off the air/TV-waves for the next few weeks, and instead push the more trusted (source:YouGov) Corbyn forward for the big gigs?

    (I'm only half-joking.)

    Gordon Brown is being deployed next.

    I'm not kidding.
    How would you price up IN/OUT after tonight?
    Probably unchanged - a poor one hour Q&A session with the protagonists kept apart and a nerdy, self-opinionated audience, who mostly refused to be shut up.
    Anyway, probably something like 90% of likely voters have now made up their minds.
    REMAIN must surely be taking comfort from the hundreds of thousands of mainly young voters who have registered in the last few days .... they might just make the difference in REMAIN's favour.
    Unless they're all those pesky WWC voters..

    I'd be interested to see registrations by area.
    I believe figures have been published by the electoral authorities (name?), providing details of the numbers who are newly registered for each of the age bands and these have been absolutely dominated by the youngest such band. Not altogether surprising that there has been such a large last minute rush, bearing in mind the way the establishment BBC has been carpet-bombing the Tuesday deadline across all its networks.
    I meant geographical areas.
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    Tim_B said:

    Trump is due to make a statement at 9pm Eastern. There is a teleprompter set up on the platform, rare for Trump, so it should be interesting, as it implies prepared remarks.

    Maybe a Veep announcement which he needs to get absolutely spot on?

    Nah .... probably not.
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    Danny565 said:

    Do you think the BSE spin doctors will now be trying to keep Cameron off the air/TV-waves for the next few weeks, and instead push the more trusted (source:YouGov) Corbyn forward for the big gigs?

    (I'm only half-joking.)

    Gordon Brown is being deployed next.

    I'm not kidding.
    How would you price up IN/OUT after tonight?
    Probably unchanged - a poor one hour Q&A session with the protagonists kept apart and a nerdy, self-opinionated audience, who mostly refused to be shut up.
    Anyway, probably something like 90% of likely voters have now made up their minds.
    REMAIN must surely be taking comfort from the hundreds of thousands of mainly young voters who have registered in the last few days .... they might just make the difference in REMAIN's favour.
    Unless they're all those pesky WWC voters..

    I'd be interested to see registrations by area.
    I believe figures have been published by the electoral authorities (name?), providing details of the numbers who are newly registered for each of the age bands and these have been absolutely dominated by the youngest such band. Not altogether surprising that there has been such a large last minute rush, bearing in mind the way the establishment BBC has been carpet-bombing the Tuesday deadline across all its networks.
    I meant geographical areas.
    I don't believe those details have been published .... but it might be worth checking on the electoral thingybob's website.
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    Just have a look at the Aussie scorecard from the Saffers v Aussies one dayer (is on Sky Sports 3 now)

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/scorecard/ECKP90932

    Clearly a cracking wicket....Sir Geoffrey would have loved a bat on it.
    Does he still do the pitch reviews where he tampers with the wicket with his car-keys in plain sight?
    Whilst wearing his spikes!
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,412


    I've got your measure and you know it, you're a nasty piece of work.

    We used to have quite a lot of posts in which posters gave their opinions of each other. It gradually dawned on us all that it's a bit of a waste of time for anonymous poster X to tell us how much they dislike anonymous poster Y, so most of us stopped. You might think of doing the same? Your views on the EU etc. are genuinely interesting; those on other posters, not so much.
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944

    Danny565 said:

    Do you think the BSE spin doctors will now be trying to keep Cameron off the air/TV-waves for the next few weeks, and instead push the more trusted (source:YouGov) Corbyn forward for the big gigs?

    (I'm only half-joking.)

    Gordon Brown is being deployed next.

    I'm not kidding.
    How would you price up IN/OUT after tonight?
    Probably unchanged - a poor one hour Q&A session with the protagonists kept apart and a nerdy, self-opinionated audience, who mostly refused to be shut up.
    Anyway, probably something like 90% of likely voters have now made up their minds.
    REMAIN must surely be taking comfort from the hundreds of thousands of mainly young voters who have registered in the last few days .... they might just make the difference in REMAIN's favour.
    Unless they're all those pesky WWC voters..

    I'd be interested to see registrations by area.
    I believe figures have been published by the electoral authorities (name?), providing details of the numbers who are newly registered for each of the age bands and these have been absolutely dominated by the youngest such band. Not altogether surprising that there has been such a large last minute rush, bearing in mind the way the establishment BBC has been carpet-bombing the Tuesday deadline across all its networks.
    I meant geographical areas.
    I don't believe those details have been published .... but it might be worth checking on the electoral thingybob's website.
    I don't think that there are lots of suddenly enthused young remainers is all... So it would be interesting to see where they are.
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    Are we about to get a whole series of exit polls from the US primaries?

    Shame that just about all the PBers have now gone to bed, except for you of course Nick - I've been expecting you to make an appearance anytime around now.
    Speaking of which, where's Rod?
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Puzzle time.

    a) I toss a coin 100 times. I find that the longest run of tails is six. Is there anything I can conclude about whether the coin is unbiased or not?

    b) I toss a coin a million times. What is the longest run of tails for me to conclude the coin is biased towards tails (or heads)?

    You can guess if you like...
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    Danny565 said:

    Do you think the BSE spin doctors will now be trying to keep Cameron off the air/TV-waves for the next few weeks, and instead push the more trusted (source:YouGov) Corbyn forward for the big gigs?

    (I'm only half-joking.)

    Gordon Brown is being deployed next.

    I'm not kidding.
    How would you price up IN/OUT after tonight?
    Probably unchanged - a poor one hour Q&A session with the protagonists kept apart and a nerdy, self-opinionated audience, who mostly refused to be shut up.
    Anyway, probably something like 90% of likely voters have now made up their minds.
    REMAIN must surely be taking comfort from the hundreds of thousands of mainly young voters who have registered in the last few days .... they might just make the difference in REMAIN's favour.
    Unless they're all those pesky WWC voters..

    I'd be interested to see registrations by area.
    I believe figures have been published by the electoral authorities (name?), providing details of the numbers who are newly registered for each of the age bands and these have been absolutely dominated by the youngest such band. Not altogether surprising that there has been such a large last minute rush, bearing in mind the way the establishment BBC has been carpet-bombing the Tuesday deadline across all its networks.
    I meant geographical areas.
    I don't believe those details have been published .... but it might be worth checking on the electoral thingybob's website.
    I don't think that there are lots of suddenly enthused young remainers is all... So it would be interesting to see where they are.
    You wouldn't think so, but then the same probably applies to young would be LEAVERS. The fact is that hundreds of thousands have registered over the past few days and having done so, one has to assume that they intend to vote (if they remember that is).
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    RodCrosby said:

    Puzzle time.

    a) I toss a coin 100 times. I find that the longest run of tails is six. Is there anything I can conclude about whether the coin is unbiased or not?

    b) I toss a coin a million times. What is the longest run of tails for me to conclude the coin is biased towards tails (or heads)?

    You can guess if you like...

    Hello Rod, fancy you turning up like that, right on cue.

    Since it seems to be just you and me, I'll venture a guess to your puzzle ..... a run of 33 tails ....am I close?
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    AnnaAnna Posts: 59

    Tim_B said:

    Trump is due to make a statement at 9pm Eastern. There is a teleprompter set up on the platform, rare for Trump, so it should be interesting, as it implies prepared remarks.

    Maybe a Veep announcement which he needs to get absolutely spot on?

    Nah .... probably not.
    Trump's making sure that Hilary doesn't get proper coverage tomorrow for clinching the nomination. Say what you will about the content of his campaign, but his media strategy is in a class of its own.

    It will be interesting to compare and contrast the headlines Trump gets for whatever he says this evening with David Cameron's extraordinary press conference this morning in which he narrowly avoided calling fellow cabinet ministers liars. I only saw a cursory soundbite on the early evening news, by 10pm the ITV "debate" had drowned out the coverage from the morning.
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591

    Just have a look at the Aussie scorecard from the Saffers v Aussies one dayer (is on Sky Sports 3 now)

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/scorecard/ECKP90932

    Clearly a cracking wicket....Sir Geoffrey would have loved a bat on it.
    Does he still do the pitch reviews where he tampers with the wicket with his car-keys in plain sight?
    That was stopped a long long time ago - over 20 years ago IIRC when cricket was free to air on the BBC!

    It was good while it lasted!
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737

    RodCrosby said:

    Puzzle time.

    a) I toss a coin 100 times. I find that the longest run of tails is six. Is there anything I can conclude about whether the coin is unbiased or not?

    b) I toss a coin a million times. What is the longest run of tails for me to conclude the coin is biased towards tails (or heads)?

    You can guess if you like...

    Hello Rod, fancy you turning up like that, right on cue.

    Since it seems to be just you and me, I'll venture a guess to your puzzle ..... a run of 33 tails ....am I close?
    I'll take that as your answer to b) for biased to tails. What about biased to heads? Just give an interval [x,y] for non-biased.

    What about the answer to a)?
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,756
    RodCrosby said:

    Puzzle time.

    a) I toss a coin 100 times. I find that the longest run of tails is six. Is there anything I can conclude about whether the coin is unbiased or not?

    b) I toss a coin a million times. What is the longest run of tails for me to conclude the coin is biased towards tails (or heads)?

    You can guess if you like...

    I should know this and I don't. Go on, embarrass me.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 118,281
    edited June 2016
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    viewcode said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Puzzle time.

    a) I toss a coin 100 times. I find that the longest run of tails is six. Is there anything I can conclude about whether the coin is unbiased or not?

    b) I toss a coin a million times. What is the longest run of tails for me to conclude the coin is biased towards tails (or heads)?

    You can guess if you like...

    I should know this and I don't. Go on, embarrass me.
    Embarrass yourself. Take a guess. (^_-)
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    peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,896
    edited June 2016
    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Puzzle time.

    a) I toss a coin 100 times. I find that the longest run of tails is six. Is there anything I can conclude about whether the coin is unbiased or not?

    b) I toss a coin a million times. What is the longest run of tails for me to conclude the coin is biased towards tails (or heads)?

    You can guess if you like...

    Hello Rod, fancy you turning up like that, right on cue.

    Since it seems to be just you and me, I'll venture a guess to your puzzle ..... a run of 33 tails ....am I close?
    I'll take that as your answer to b) for biased to tails. What about biased to heads? Just give an interval [x,y] for non-biased.

    What about the answer to a)?
    a) No.

    b) A run of 33 of either heads OR tails to be able to conclude that the coin is biased one way or another.
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944

    Danny565 said:

    Do you think the BSE spin doctors will now be trying to keep Cameron off the air/TV-waves for the next few weeks, and instead push the more trusted (source:YouGov) Corbyn forward for the big gigs?

    (I'm only half-joking.)

    Gordon Brown is being deployed next.

    I'm not kidding.
    How would you price up IN/OUT after tonight?
    Probably unchanged - a poor one hour Q&A session with the protagonists kept apart and a nerdy, self-opinionated audience, who mostly refused to be shut up.
    Anyway, probably something like 90% of likely voters have now made up their minds.
    REMAIN must surely be taking comfort from the hundreds of thousands of mainly young voters who have registered in the last few days .... they might just make the difference in REMAIN's favour.
    Unless they're all those pesky WWC voters..

    I'd be interested to see registrations by area.
    I believe figures have been published by the electoral authorities (name?), providing details of the numbers who are newly registered for each of the age bands and these have been absolutely dominated by the youngest such band. Not altogether surprising that there has been such a large last minute rush, bearing in mind the way the establishment BBC has been carpet-bombing the Tuesday deadline across all its networks.
    I meant geographical areas.
    I don't believe those details have been published .... but it might be worth checking on the electoral thingybob's website.
    I don't think that there are lots of suddenly enthused young remainers is all... So it would be interesting to see where they are.
    You wouldn't think so, but then the same probably applies to young would be LEAVERS. The fact is that hundreds of thousands have registered over the past few days and having done so, one has to assume that they intend to vote (if they remember that is).
    It will be interesting to see if anyone can figure out which way they voted.

    There are lots of disaffected voters out there, some of whom have been enthused by UKIP and some enthused the other way.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Danny565 said:

    Do you think the BSE spin doctors will now be trying to keep Cameron off the air/TV-waves for the next few weeks, and instead push the more trusted (source:YouGov) Corbyn forward for the big gigs?

    (I'm only half-joking.)

    Gordon Brown is being deployed next.

    I'm not kidding.
    How would you price up IN/OUT after tonight?
    Probably unchanged - a poor one hour Q&A session with the protagonists kept apart and a nerdy, self-opinionated audience, who mostly refused to be shut up.
    Anyway, probably something like 90% of likely voters have now made up their minds.
    REMAIN must surely be taking comfort from the hundreds of thousands of mainly young voters who have registered in the last few days .... they might just make the difference in REMAIN's favour.
    Unless they're all those pesky WWC voters..

    I'd be interested to see registrations by area.
    I believe figures have been published by the electoral authorities (name?), providing details of the numbers who are newly registered for each of the age bands and these have been absolutely dominated by the youngest such band. Not altogether surprising that there has been such a large last minute rush, bearing in mind the way the establishment BBC has been carpet-bombing the Tuesday deadline across all its networks.
    I meant geographical areas.
    I don't believe those details have been published .... but it might be worth checking on the electoral thingybob's website.
    I don't think that there are lots of suddenly enthused young remainers is all... So it would be interesting to see where they are.
    You wouldn't think so, but then the same probably applies to young would be LEAVERS. The fact is that hundreds of thousands have registered over the past few days and having done so, one has to assume that they intend to vote (if they remember that is).
    https://twitter.com/philipjcowley/status/739714306497974272
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 49,221
    There's an absolutely extraordinary shouting match between the studio guests on CNN at the moment about racism. If this is a foretaste of the campaign America will be turned inside out by the end of the year.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,756
    RodCrosby said:

    viewcode said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Puzzle time.

    a) I toss a coin 100 times. I find that the longest run of tails is six. Is there anything I can conclude about whether the coin is unbiased or not?

    b) I toss a coin a million times. What is the longest run of tails for me to conclude the coin is biased towards tails (or heads)?

    You can guess if you like...

    I should know this and I don't. Go on, embarrass me.
    Embarrass yourself. Take a guess. (^_-)
    Oh god. If your longest run is six tails, then you didn't get seven or more tails, so, um, er, brain hurty now... :(
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Trump press conference, LIVE: Westchester, NY
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRvOJjXZWyo
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    AnnaAnna Posts: 59
    RodCrosby said:

    Puzzle time.

    a) I toss a coin 100 times. I find that the longest run of tails is six. Is there anything I can conclude about whether the coin is unbiased or not?

    b) I toss a coin a million times. What is the longest run of tails for me to conclude the coin is biased towards tails (or heads)?

    You can guess if you like...

    Bit of a guess as I can't be bothered to write the code at this time of night for a numeric solution and am too tired to bother with an analytical one...
    a) something like [4, 11] for longest run to suggest unbiased with a E(Longest run) ~ 6
    b) E(longest run) should be trending upwards obviously, probably slower than you would think - variance should be declining (probably dividing by a sqrt(n), so i'd guess standard deviation could be 100 times smaller than for 100 tosses) so an interval of a single number, probably round about [30]
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,101

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Re tonight's programme, debating who won or lost is futile, we all made up our mind beforehand. But that wide eyed look that Cameron has when dealing with questions from the audience - he's done, gone, a shot fighter.

    btw did you see Peston? The poor man looks terribly ill.

    His wife died and he's working for a crap TV station. Maybe?
    Maybe? We all know his wife died ffs.

    You really are a despicable person.
    No, someone asked why Peston looked bad... Roger answered pointing out the bleeding obvious.

    Is there a problem with that?
    Nope, I remarked that the poor man looked terribly ill, have a read.

    Roger's reply was, at best, crass. I was banned for calling him a fuckin idiot a couple of days ago, he's actually far worse than that, he's intelligent, which makes him malicious.
    I don't think so. I think you're picking a fight where none need exist.
    I'll pick a fight with champagne socialists any day. Roger saw who'd posted about Peston and waded in without thinking.

    He;s an ad man, full of bullshit, he knows he fucked up.
    You obviously have a problem with me. For the record no malice was intended to you or Peston. It was just my best guess
    I've got your measure and you know it, you're a nasty piece of work.
    Who do you think that post says more about, you or Roger?
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,756
    Oh fuck it, let's try.

    APPROACH 1: WORK OUT FROM FIRST PRINCIPLES
    Numbers too big, so let's reduce..."I toss a coin four times and the longest run of tails is two". Four tosses, so the sixteen combinations are: 2X2X2X2

    HHHH
    THHH
    HTHH
    TTHH
    HHTH
    THTH
    HTTH
    TTTH
    HHHT
    THHT
    HTHT
    TTHT
    HHTT
    THTT
    HTTT
    TTTT

    Three successive tails are 8,15. Four is 16. So P(4 tosses and longest run is two) = 1-P(4 tosses and longest run is three or more) = 1-(3/16) = 13/16 or 0.8125.

    Can we get this from a formula and extrapolate up? nCr is n!/r!(n-r!) is 2!/2!2! = 0.5, so...no, not really. Bugger. OK, let's try something else

    APPROACH TWO: BINOMIAL DISTRIBUTION
    p(k tails from n tosses) = [n!/k!(n-k)!].p(tails)^k.p(heads)^(n-k).
    So p(6 tails)...but we need successive tails, so this won't work

    APPROACH THREE: GOOGLE IT
    This bloke says it's using generating functions, first solved by de Moivre in 1738 and this paper. I have no idea if he's right

    So that's the best I can do at this time of the morning.... :(

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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Trump: "We welcome Bernie supporters with open arms" ...from the rigged Democratic system.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,756
    @blackburn63

    When Roger said "His wife died and he's working for a crap TV station. Maybe?" he meant "His wife died and he's working for a crap TV station and that may be the reason why he looks ill". He didn't mean "His wife died and he's working for a crap TV station, or maybe she didn't die".

    For the avoidance of doubt I am not Roger.
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Trump: "Clinton put the security of the country at risk. Obama covered it up. I will give a major speech on this next week... Clinton turned the State Department into a private hedge fund..."
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Apperently government website was still accepting voter registration at 00:45
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Trump suddenly sounding, both in tone and content, as Mr. Reasonable...
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 78,069
    Minor disagreement in the baseball....

    https://twitter.com/carolmaloney4/status/740343371332472832
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    edited June 2016
    if i have a standard deviation of 45ml/L that is a large standard deviation but what does it actually mean? What does a large standard deviation show?
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Katabasis
    So the woman who accused Farage of being Waayciiist is a Huff & Puff writer & "diversity activist"

    Quelle surprise

    https://t.co/OjI4gewFOG
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,205
    RodCrosby said:

    Trump suddenly sounding, both in tone and content, as Mr. Reasonable...

    I think we had a couple of cycles of this already where he got through two successive interviews without saying anything overtly racist or sexist and everybody said he'd gone on-message. Then he does the third interview...
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    edited June 2016
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36469254

    Large differences in A-level provision. many students will be forced to take btecs which are less likely to get you into the Top uni's and courses. London is doing well for poor areas though.

    I know students who have taken btecs and have gone to uni, they are in no way prepared for the academic uni courses, btecs were meant to get people straight into work but the lower ranked uni's are using them to recruit students who no chance at ucl etc. It's a scandal how many ypung people we are forcing into uni debt only to get grad jobs at Tesco's that people would normally would have worked their way up to.

    Also we have master and phd grads working as NHS entry level clinical scientists( one of the most competitive jobs out there) on £24k, OK thats a lot of money for some but for f@ck sake can't we do better?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 78,069
    edited June 2016
    nunu said:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36469254

    Large differences in A-level provision. many students will be forced to take btecs which are less likely to get you into the Top uni's and courses. London is doing well for poor areas though.

    I know students who have taken btecs and have gone to uni, they are in no way prepared for the academic uni courses, btecs were meant to get people straight into work but the lower ranked uni's are usingt them to recruit students who no chance at ucl etc.

    This is 100% schools fault....
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 48,158
    nunu said:

    if i have a standard deviation of 45ml/L that is a large standard deviation but what does it actually mean? What does a large standard deviation show?

    Standard deviation on its own isn't that helpful, you need the average (mean) and then you can get a feel for how widely spread your data is in relation to the average. In statistics standard deviation is the square root of the variance - in English a measure of how dispersed a dataset is - but the number on its own doesn't tell you much if you don't know the size of the numbers you are dealing with in the sample. In rough terms the "95% confidence level" - the range within which any one item from the sample, picked at random, is 95% likely to fall - is +/- twice the standard deviation from the mean.
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,289

    Danny565 said:

    Do you think the BSE spin doctors will now be trying to keep Cameron off the air/TV-waves for the next few weeks, and instead push the more trusted (source:YouGov) Corbyn forward for the big gigs?

    (I'm only half-joking.)

    Gordon Brown is being deployed next.

    I'm not kidding.
    How would you price up IN/OUT after tonight?
    Probably unchanged - a poor one hour Q&A session with the protagonists kept apart and a nerdy, self-opinionated audience, who mostly refused to be shut up.
    Anyway, probably something like 90% of likely voters have now made up their minds.
    REMAIN must surely be taking comfort from the hundreds of thousands of mainly young voters who have registered in the last few days .... they might just make the difference in REMAIN's favour.
    Unless they're all those pesky WWC voters..

    I'd be interested to see registrations by area.
    I believe figures have been published by the electoral authorities (name?), providing details of the numbers who are newly registered for each of the age bands and these have been absolutely dominated by the youngest such band. Not altogether surprising that there has been such a large last minute rush, bearing in mind the way the establishment BBC has been carpet-bombing the Tuesday deadline across all its networks.
    I meant geographical areas.
    I don't believe those details have been published .... but it might be worth checking on the electoral thingybob's website.
    I don't think that there are lots of suddenly enthused young remainers is all... So it would be interesting to see where they are.
    Benedict, there is one thing that young voters like to do, and that is travel...
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,289

    Danny565 said:

    Do you think the BSE spin doctors will now be trying to keep Cameron off the air/TV-waves for the next few weeks, and instead push the more trusted (source:YouGov) Corbyn forward for the big gigs?

    (I'm only half-joking.)

    Gordon Brown is being deployed next.

    I'm not kidding.
    How would you price up IN/OUT after tonight?
    Probably unchanged - a poor one hour Q&A session with the protagonists kept apart and a nerdy, self-opinionated audience, who mostly refused to be shut up.
    Anyway, probably something like 90% of likely voters have now made up their minds.
    REMAIN must surely be taking comfort from the hundreds of thousands of mainly young voters who have registered in the last few days .... they might just make the difference in REMAIN's favour.
    Unless they're all those pesky WWC voters..

    I'd be interested to see registrations by area.
    I believe figures have been published by the electoral authorities (name?), providing details of the numbers who are newly registered for each of the age bands and these have been absolutely dominated by the youngest such band. Not altogether surprising that there has been such a large last minute rush, bearing in mind the way the establishment BBC has been carpet-bombing the Tuesday deadline across all its networks.
    I meant geographical areas.
    I don't believe those details have been published .... but it might be worth checking on the electoral thingybob's website.
    I don't think that there are lots of suddenly enthused young remainers is all... So it would be interesting to see where they are.
    You wouldn't think so, but then the same probably applies to young would be LEAVERS. The fact is that hundreds of thousands have registered over the past few days and having done so, one has to assume that they intend to vote (if they remember that is).
    Funny you should say that, had Son No2 asking me today if our voting cards had arrived as he wanted to check that he was still registered because he is fired up to vote Remain. I saw an earlier discussion on PB tonight regarding the lack of reaction to the EU Ref on social media, as if that indicated a lack of interest in the TV debates and this issue full stop. I think it is a mistake to interpret a lack of posts on politics on your social media pages as a lack of interest or engagement in the big issues facing UK politics.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 16,127
    SeanT said:

    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:


    Cameron has a massive, massive problem with immigration. Having previously gone heavy on how bad immigration is, he can't now tell the truth, which is that an open market in a globalised world means immigration and that fact isn't going to change with Brexit. Instead he had to fall back on the line that immigration is being controlled now. Nobody believes it.

    -----
    We can control immigration, other countries do.

    Thanks. Off topic question. Do you, or anyone else, know which countries similar to the UK see relatively less immigration than the UK? I am talking about actual numbers, not whether the countries claim to control immigration

    I think the only developed countries that do not have similar or higher rates of immigration than us are Japan and South Korea.
    Many thanks, Fox!
    He's wrong. See my post downthread.
    Thanks, Sean. Missed your post last night. Will look at those figures
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