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  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,930

    malcolmg said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Aslan said:

    Corporate coal interests have successfully blocked the main climate provision in Biden's plan.

    https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/10/16/manchin-vs-everybody-494729

    The world's climate is fucked. I hate these fossil fuel bastards so much. They will destroy the only planet we have.

    What, like Alderan in Star Wars? Or do you mean the planet will become uninhabitable if the temperature rises a few more degrees, despite the fact that we live from the Sahara to arctic?
    And under water. Moron.
    Except it won't. Moron.

    Bits of it will be but only a fraction more than already is. And will be again in the future no matter what we do about CO2.
    The under water thing is interesting. I studied Earth Science back in the early 80s and we were told to expect significant eustatic sea level rises in the following decade. Most of the examples given by journalists are actually isostatic (localised) changes, not due to global sea level rises but local geological movement (eg southern Egland)
    I think there is pretty clear evidence of some eustatic changes these days. It is no where near as bad as was predicted but it is there and there is nothing to say it won't increase in rate as things get warmer.

    The problem we have - which is what I was referring to in my snapped reply to IshmaelZ - is that even if we do all the net zero stuff and stop any man made influence on the climate it probably won't make a blind bit of difference. Natural variation will result in much higher sea levels and we have put ourselves in the very poor position of having 10% of the world's population living within 10m of sealevel and almost half living within 30m. When sealevels rise - as they inevitably will - those people are screwed.

    Of course England, just like poor old New Orleans, has the additional problem of isostatic change so they are sinking even if sealevel doesn't change. Malc will be okay though up in Scotland.

    I have spent the day teaching the evidence for climate change in the geological record to leaders of the branches of the Young Archaeologist Club from across England so this is all nice and fresh in my mind.
    A bonus at last for living here , though I may not be around by then.
    Come-on Malc living in Scotland puts you in one of the very special places in the world. Think of all the real drab shit-holes there across the world and be happy.

    PS hope Mrs G is feeling better soon.
    As a fellow Ayrshireman, Malc and I have plenty of shit-holes to share. Go onto street view and take a virtual drive through Stevenston, Muirkirk or New Cumnock.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,930
    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    "Alex Scott in tears as she learns her ancestor owned 26 slaves on Who Do You Think You Are?

    Alex Scott becomes emotional on Who Do You Think You Are? when she learns her great grandfather owned 26 slaves.
    The BBC pundit, 37, is horrified to find her 4x great grandfather Robert Francis Coombs was a slave owner with over two dozen people captive at his huge property in Jamaica."

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/16439344/alex-scott-slaves-on-who-do-you-think-you-are/

    If her great grandfather was able to look forward, he would undoubtedly be horrified to discover that his great granddaughter worked for the BBC.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,930
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Aslan said:

    Corporate coal interests have successfully blocked the main climate provision in Biden's plan.

    https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/10/16/manchin-vs-everybody-494729

    The world's climate is fucked. I hate these fossil fuel bastards so much. They will destroy the only planet we have.

    What, like Alderan in Star Wars? Or do you mean the planet will become uninhabitable if the temperature rises a few more degrees, despite the fact that we live from the Sahara to arctic?
    And under water. Moron.
    I assume you consider Waterworld a documentary? Seriously, I’m not a moron. I work in science and have read widely on the area of climate change. Claims of the destruction of the planet deserve to be ridiculed. We should do all we can to preserve the ecosystems and flora and fauna of the world, without resorting to stupid hyperbole.
    I'm guessing you don't work very hard in science if you think Hey, we live in really hot and cold places already is a serious argument. No, waterworld is not a documentary, and the hundreds of millions of people who are going to have their lives disrupted by rising sea levels are mainly brown and foreign, so your joke is especially apposite and amusing.
    I know it’s pointless engaging. We will adapt. I despair of the nihilistic end of days perversion that has enveloped too much of climate science, even if it is mainly the reporting. I bit on your comment, because, no, the world isn’t going to be destroyed. But as others have said, I think you don’t want a sensible debate, just to get reactions.
    I’m happy with my contribution to science. I’ve devoted my life to it, accepting that it would pay far less than I could earn elsewhere. I don’t regret that. I help train the next generation of pharmacists and chemists. I hope you have something you enjoy in your life, that isn’t trying to get a rise out of anonymously folk on pb.
    Well, which of us is making debate impossible? How do you expect me to engage seriously with you if make these baseless "only want to get a rise" accusations? Your initial "we live in the Sahara and the Arctic anyway" point was, as I am sure you will on reflection agree, embarrassingly stupid. When you say We will adapt, how do you know? What is to say that actually this is too difficult, and we won't? As to your dedication to science, it is really quite hard to gauge the relevance of that. For all I know you are in the position of a one legged man who has devoted his life to a career in bum kicking. Happy to be corrected of course
    Debate is never impossible on PB. That’s why we’re here.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,930
    Andy_JS said:

    Aslan said:

    Corporate coal interests have successfully blocked the main climate provision in Biden's plan.

    https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/10/16/manchin-vs-everybody-494729

    The world's climate is fucked. I hate these fossil fuel bastards so much. They will destroy the only planet we have.

    Remember this?

    "Arctic summer ice may be gone in five years, Al Gore warns
    Monday December 14 2009, 5.22pm, The Times

    The Arctic polar ice cap could disappear entirely in the summer months in as little as five years, Al Gore, the former American Vice-President, said today. Mr Gore was the star draw at a Copenhagen summit side event during which Scandinavian scientists delivered a grim update on the state of the Greenland ice sheet and its potential to contribute to rising sea levels over the coming century."

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/arctic-summer-ice-may-be-gone-in-five-years-al-gore-warns-tqxrj9chvfn
    The arctic polar ice cap has lasted longer than Al Gore. When I was studying for my degree (BSc Open Natural Sciences with Earth Sciences), Al Gore was our set book. Not sure it was totally unbiased.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,930
    Cookie said:

    Good evening everyone.
    Lovely day today. In Manchester this morning: was struck by the behaviour of people. I see friends shaking hands, saying how do you do - they're really saying "We're not going to be cowed by scaremongerers in the public health lobby into living like recluses any more." People basically back to behaving like it was 2019.
    Then went for a walk with my Dad in the afternoon. Five mile round trip in the hills of the Forest of Bowland. You know all those hills you look at on your right as you're going up to the Lake District, vaguely thinking 'they look nice', but no more than that because you're going somewhere bigger and better? Those. They are well worth a visit. From the top of Clougha Pike you get a superb vista across almost all of Lancashire, over to the Lake District, Morecambe Bay, the Irish Sea, Blackpool... while behind you are the peaks of the Yorkshire Dales. We got to Clougha Pike about 5.45, just as the sun was starting to set. A little cloudy for a perfect sunset - just the hint of a massive red Orb poking through - but I wouldn't be surprised if, on a clear day, this is the finest sunset in England.
    Anyway, 5 miles and 800 feet of ascent - not a massive walk, but my Dad is 74 - I'll be very happy if I'm still doing those sorts of walks at 74.

    What an uplifting post! Thank you Mr Cookie! I still miss my Dad. I don’t think many people truly appreciate the bond between Dads and sons - including Dads and sons - until it’s too late. 😢
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,311

    malcolmg said:

    Look at the state of this:

    Did you see my post the other day about this?

    https://www.masterofmalt.com/whiskies/smokehead/smokehead-whisky/

    seems interesting to me, maybe a touch overdone on the peaty thing....

    Malmesbury, Sorry I missed it. I agree with you it sounds too peaty for me. I can take an odd dram but much prefer a lighter one. @Malmesbury
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