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    darkagedarkage Posts: 4,796
    "The argument can be made that the scholarly publishing industry is beyond fixing, and we would be better off without journals – perhaps even without pre-publication peer review. Publishers are no longer needed for typesetting or distribution, and social media – including specialist sites such as ResearchGate, which has more than 17 million users – can perform some of their curatorial and marketing functions. What value the journals retain lies in their brands, and in their capacity to organise peer review. But if peer review isn’t working, what is the brand worth? Why not just let researchers make their work public, and let it thrive, or wither?" (from the lrb promo email)

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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,923
    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Off topic - It's behind a paywall (which I don't have access to) - But it's all in the headline.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lgbt-activists-get-word-mother-axed-from-government-policies-q6q6bxtf6

    Is this PB's doing? @CarlottaVance raised it yesterday with regard to Scotland.
    Presumably it is chestfeeding too.
    Chestfeeding I'd the new Winterval or bendy bananas.
    ‘Yer can’t even menshun breastfeedin’ without bein’ arrested nowadays’
    Yes the sexuality debate is all shits and giggles if you're an SNP Type
    You are a moron of the highest order , why not crawl back under your rock and disappear again.
    Good God man. Three posts in succession that add nothing and are simply unpleasant. Everyone knows you're capable of wise, reasoned and witty comment. Do try.
    I am in lazy mode and the crap I responded to did not warrant any waste of thought.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,923
    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Verdict: possibly the best Frieze ever

    The Standard agrees with me

    "Perhaps I’m swayed by the relief of seeing the art world returning to normal, but I can’t remember a better looking Frieze London than this."

    https://www.standard.co.uk/culture/exhibitions/frieze-london-2021-art-fair-best-b960418.html

    Absolutely jammed. Visitors from all over the world. Sales pinging.

    London will not be beaten

    Not my thing (Frieze) , but the resurrection of arts etc in London is most welcome. I wonder to what extent the spring (morphically) will visit those areas that have become really dead. Great to wave the London flag even if it looks like Boris on a highwire.
    Exactly , being stuck among wall to wall jerks is not a pleasant thought.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,516

    I'm not an expert in the last rites so can anyone tell me if the priest needs to be in physical contact with the dying person?

    Traditionally, you'd have annointing with oil and giving the Communion bread. So you'd normally have close contact I guess.

    This must have been an issue before now.

    (And yes, knowing what we know of Sir David's beliefs, denying him the last rites was at least unkind.)
    Not sure about communion (normally part of the last rites for Roman Catholics) in those circs.

    Anointing with oil would usually be a sign of the cross made on the forehead, and the hand aiui.

    Need @Cyclefree for a more definitive statement; I'm not RC, but I am somewhat familiar with the practice.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,516
    edited October 2021
    Scott_xP said:

    Douglas Ross confirmed this week that he will stand down from the Commons at the next UK general election - the first MP in this Parliament to do so: https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/scottish-politics/2657685/westminster-boundary-shake-up-will-impact-all-courier-voters/

    Does that mean Scottish Tories have a leadership election first?

    We want a header from @malcolmg , informing us which of the candidates is marginally less contemptible than the others.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,775
    malcolmg said:

    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Off topic - It's behind a paywall (which I don't have access to) - But it's all in the headline.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lgbt-activists-get-word-mother-axed-from-government-policies-q6q6bxtf6

    Is this PB's doing? @CarlottaVance raised it yesterday with regard to Scotland.
    Presumably it is chestfeeding too.
    Chestfeeding I'd the new Winterval or bendy bananas.
    ‘Yer can’t even menshun breastfeedin’ without bein’ arrested nowadays’
    Yes the sexuality debate is all shits and giggles if you're an SNP Type
    You are a moron of the highest order , why not crawl back under your rock and disappear again.
    Good God man. Three posts in succession that add nothing and are simply unpleasant. Everyone knows you're capable of wise, reasoned and witty comment. Do try.
    I am in lazy mode and the crap I responded to did not warrant any waste of thought.
    ...
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,957
    Can't believe what I am reading here re Last Rites.
    There is nothing in the Universe more important to a dying Catholic than the Last Rites.
    Nothing.
    And, if I were dying, yes, I would bloody well want to know. Religious people spend their lifetimes preparing specifically for this very moment.
    If it is a question of evidence, how do very devout countries manage?
    Sounds to me like the Police either didn't know or didn't care and therefore just cba.
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    MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    meanwhile back at the ranch . . . or rather the Old Dominion . . .

    Politico.com - Virginia is for worriers: Governor race poses real risk to Dem agenda
    “If things don’t go well" for Terry McAuliffe, one party lawmaker said, "there’s going to be a lot of different reckonings here.”

    https://www.politico.com/news/2021/10/16/democrats-reckoning-virginia-governor-race-516086

    By the way, "Virginia is for worriers" is a take-off on the long-standing tourism slogan: "Virginia is for lovers".

    What is your view @SeaShantyIrish2 on this one. Two weeks back, I would have McAuliffe by 3-4 pts. My thinking now is that Youngkin has got the momentum and that issues such as what is happening in the schools are falling more favourably for him that McAuliffe. Think Youngkin may edge it.
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    meanwhile back at the ranch . . . or rather the Old Dominion . . .

    Politico.com - Virginia is for worriers: Governor race poses real risk to Dem agenda
    “If things don’t go well" for Terry McAuliffe, one party lawmaker said, "there’s going to be a lot of different reckonings here.”

    https://www.politico.com/news/2021/10/16/democrats-reckoning-virginia-governor-race-516086

    By the way, "Virginia is for worriers" is a take-off on the long-standing tourism slogan: "Virginia is for lovers".

    Mitchell & Webb sketch on the discovery and naming of Virginia, and other places in the Empire:-
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOBhf8f7cXM
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,981

    I see the PB art conosoors have signed in.
    Quick straw poll, hands up which PBers have bought a piece of art in the last couple of years (prints of Spitfires and David Shepherd elephants don't count for this one)?

    About twelve years ago, we nearly bought a beautiful print of a tiger. It was by a well-known artist, but did not cost that much and Mrs J loved the picture. In the end we decided against, partly because we were moved frequently around rented accommodation and didn't (*) want the hassle of putting it on the wall whenever we moved.

    The artist?

    Rolf Harris.

    We're quite glad we didn't buy it. Instead, we have some antique paintings given to us by my parents. and a few by my mother-in-law (who did an art degree in her sixties, and has exhibited many times in Turkey (**).

    (*) Well, I didn't.
    (**) She wants me to do a sitting. In the nude. So far, I have resisted.... ;)
    As long as it's not Rolf asking you to pose..
    Give the fellow a break. He's already in jail; he doesn't deserve a worse punishment ...
    You might also be a little old for him.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,775
    It's interesting that the BBC are leading on Patel's thoughts. No matter what you think of her it's encouraging that a tiny woman of Indian descent is capable of holding our headlines.

    Perhaps sometime soon we can stop worrying about the 'isms'.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,981
    MrEd said:

    eek said:

    MattW said:

    Talking of worst episodes of our history. Another one for the police to explain if true.


    It's a crime scene.

    You cannot violate the integrity of scene or accidentally destroy/contaminate evidence.

    Any half decent barrister would have a field day in having a lot of the physical evidence excluded from the trial.
    However, you also have paramedics trying to deal with his injuries....

    And as my wife just pointed out you need to deal with his mental / spiritual health as well as his physical health.
    There's a massive difference between physical health and "spiritual health".

    Preserving the crime scene surely has to take priority. Unfortunately. The last thing that anyone should want is the risk of an acquittal due to the crime scene being compromised.
    You really think the murderer would be acquitted when he stood there waiting to be arrested and was seen by plenty of witnesses to have stabbed the MP just because a priest came in and gave the Last Rites? Ok.

    I think this has more to do with your anti-religious views than truly believing it could compromise a prosecution.
    I suspect that the police have a manual, and the manual says 'thou shalt not allow non-authorized people such as family or priests into an active crime scene'. Said manual will not have a line saying 'if you have the murderer on tape and in custody, then this obviously doesn't apply'.

    And the policeman who turned the priest away was probably a very junior Bobby, who had no authority to make exceptions.
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    AslanAslan Posts: 1,673
    Corporate coal interests have successfully blocked the main climate provision in Biden's plan.

    https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/10/16/manchin-vs-everybody-494729

    The world's climate is fucked. I hate these fossil fuel bastards so much. They will destroy the only planet we have.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,516
    edited October 2021
    Carnyx said:

    Fishing said:

    Two more weeks till we turn the clocks back.

    Who actually wants it to get dark at 4 pm? No one.
    Why do we do it? Because it worked in the First World War. Or something.

    Let's make this the last year for this crap. December and January are depressing enough.

    Disagree. It makes a positive difference in the north of the UK to have light mornings, at least, for the morning travel and morning hound-walk.
    Summer Time changes. Another thing that has just been banned in the European Union. Perhaps to make the peripheries aware everyday that they are ruled from somewhere else.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Europe

    Good job we voted to get out just in time. Another Brexit benefit for Scotland :smile:

    Personally I seem to be struggling to adjust to 6am starts this year. We need the change a month earlier.

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    MrEd said:

    meanwhile back at the ranch . . . or rather the Old Dominion . . .

    Politico.com - Virginia is for worriers: Governor race poses real risk to Dem agenda
    “If things don’t go well" for Terry McAuliffe, one party lawmaker said, "there’s going to be a lot of different reckonings here.”

    https://www.politico.com/news/2021/10/16/democrats-reckoning-virginia-governor-race-516086

    By the way, "Virginia is for worriers" is a take-off on the long-standing tourism slogan: "Virginia is for lovers".

    What is your view @SeaShantyIrish2 on this one. Two weeks back, I would have McAuliffe by 3-4 pts. My thinking now is that Youngkin has got the momentum and that issues such as what is happening in the schools are falling more favourably for him that McAuliffe. Think Youngkin may edge it.
    You could be right . . . er, that is, correct!

    My own view is that TMcA will survive, but barely.

    Also, that re-running retreads for high office is almost always a mistake. For they quite often lose, because the voting public is generally NOT all that eager to go back to the future.

    And even if they win, retreads are often duds when they get back in.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,701
    edited October 2021
    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Douglas Ross confirmed this week that he will stand down from the Commons at the next UK general election - the first MP in this Parliament to do so: https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/scottish-politics/2657685/westminster-boundary-shake-up-will-impact-all-courier-voters/

    Does that mean Scottish Tories have a leadership election first?

    We want a header from @malcolmg , informing us which of the candidates is marginally less contemptible than the others.
    tbf to Mr Ross, being a footie ref, MSP and MP all at the same time is hard work, and he'd already stated he was going to step down as a MP at the next GE (not sure why he can't do so right now). It's nothing to do with the BC, I believe.

    Edit: he ran for MSP this year while still a MP and got one of the regional seats. And no, he'll still be leader of SCUP - interesting he feels he has to do it at Holyrood not Westminster, though.
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    MattW said:

    Carnyx said:

    Fishing said:

    Two more weeks till we turn the clocks back.

    Who actually wants it to get dark at 4 pm? No one.
    Why do we do it? Because it worked in the First World War. Or something.

    Let's make this the last year for this crap. December and January are depressing enough.

    Disagree. It makes a positive difference in the north of the UK to have light mornings, at least, for the morning travel and morning hound-walk.
    Summer Time changes. Another thing that has just been banned in the European Union. Perhaps to make the peripheries aware everyday that they are ruled from somewhere else.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Europe

    Good job we voted to get out just in time. Another Brexit benefit for Scotland :smile:

    Personally I seem to be struggling to adjust to 6am starts this year. We need the change a month earlier.

    I'm genuinely at a loss to understand EU thinking on daylight savings time if it is replacing the neat arrangement that everyone makes the same change at the same time, 1am GMT, on the same date (again chosen as the last Sundays of March and October for simplicity). This is to be replaced by a complete dog's breakfast.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,178
    Aslan said:

    Corporate coal interests have successfully blocked the main climate provision in Biden's plan.

    https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/10/16/manchin-vs-everybody-494729

    The world's climate is fucked. I hate these fossil fuel bastards so much. They will destroy the only planet we have.

    What, like Alderan in Star Wars? Or do you mean the planet will become uninhabitable if the temperature rises a few more degrees, despite the fact that we live from the Sahara to arctic?
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,131
    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Verdict: possibly the best Frieze ever

    The Standard agrees with me

    "Perhaps I’m swayed by the relief of seeing the art world returning to normal, but I can’t remember a better looking Frieze London than this."

    https://www.standard.co.uk/culture/exhibitions/frieze-london-2021-art-fair-best-b960418.html

    Absolutely jammed. Visitors from all over the world. Sales pinging.

    London will not be beaten

    Not my thing (Frieze) , but the resurrection of arts etc in London is most welcome. I wonder to what extent the spring (morphically) will visit those areas that have become really dead. Great to wave the London flag even if it looks like Boris on a highwire.
    The Remoaners all said that the London art market would decamp en masse to Paris when Brexit happened. And a couple of galleries did open Paris branches.

    But there has been no exodus, at all. The share of the global art market in each city has remained the same, London has 20%, Paris has 7%. There is no comparison.

    It is possible London will actually grow relative to Paris as Brexit is offering big tax advantages to dealers, even as it complicates the movement of art between the EU and UK

    And the obvious pzazz and va-va-voom of this year's Frieze shows that London is definitely roaring back


    https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2021/10/true-colors-london-frieze-week

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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,981

    MattW said:

    Carnyx said:

    Fishing said:

    Two more weeks till we turn the clocks back.

    Who actually wants it to get dark at 4 pm? No one.
    Why do we do it? Because it worked in the First World War. Or something.

    Let's make this the last year for this crap. December and January are depressing enough.

    Disagree. It makes a positive difference in the north of the UK to have light mornings, at least, for the morning travel and morning hound-walk.
    Summer Time changes. Another thing that has just been banned in the European Union. Perhaps to make the peripheries aware everyday that they are ruled from somewhere else.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Europe

    Good job we voted to get out just in time. Another Brexit benefit for Scotland :smile:

    Personally I seem to be struggling to adjust to 6am starts this year. We need the change a month earlier.

    I'm genuinely at a loss to understand EU thinking on daylight savings time if it is replacing the neat arrangement that everyone makes the same change at the same time, 1am GMT, on the same date (again chosen as the last Sundays of March and October for simplicity). This is to be replaced by a complete dog's breakfast.
    You think the EU is fucked? You should come to the US.

    Florida and California have had referendum on abolishing time changes (which passed), and which have been denied by Washington (under Trump and Biden).

    Arizona doesn't have time changes. Except for some parts of the State, where they do have time changes. As you drive along some straight roads the time leaps forward an hour... and then five miles later drops back. Except, of course, in those times of the year when it doesn't. (Bear in mind I'm still in the state for all this driving. And it's not Arizona is that big a state.)
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,923
    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Douglas Ross confirmed this week that he will stand down from the Commons at the next UK general election - the first MP in this Parliament to do so: https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/scottish-politics/2657685/westminster-boundary-shake-up-will-impact-all-courier-voters/

    Does that mean Scottish Tories have a leadership election first?

    We want a header from @malcolmg , informing us which of the candidates is marginally less contemptible than the others.
    They are all cheeks of the same arse Matt
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,775
    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Verdict: possibly the best Frieze ever

    The Standard agrees with me

    "Perhaps I’m swayed by the relief of seeing the art world returning to normal, but I can’t remember a better looking Frieze London than this."

    https://www.standard.co.uk/culture/exhibitions/frieze-london-2021-art-fair-best-b960418.html

    Absolutely jammed. Visitors from all over the world. Sales pinging.

    London will not be beaten

    Not my thing (Frieze) , but the resurrection of arts etc in London is most welcome. I wonder to what extent the spring (morphically) will visit those areas that have become really dead. Great to wave the London flag even if it looks like Boris on a highwire.
    The Remoaners all said that the London art market would decamp en masse to Paris when Brexit happened. And a couple of galleries did open Paris branches.

    But there has been no exodus, at all. The share of the global art market in each city has remained the same, London has 20%, Paris has 7%. There is no comparison.

    It is possible London will actually grow relative to Paris as Brexit is offering big tax advantages to dealers, even as it complicates the movement of art between the EU and UK

    And the obvious pzazz and va-va-voom of this year's Frieze shows that London is definitely roaring back


    https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2021/10/true-colors-london-frieze-week

    Well that's encouraging. The event itself and the whole art scene is small potatoes, but if it's indicative of the big picture then that's great.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,923
    Carnyx said:

    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Douglas Ross confirmed this week that he will stand down from the Commons at the next UK general election - the first MP in this Parliament to do so: https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/scottish-politics/2657685/westminster-boundary-shake-up-will-impact-all-courier-voters/

    Does that mean Scottish Tories have a leadership election first?

    We want a header from @malcolmg , informing us which of the candidates is marginally less contemptible than the others.
    tbf to Mr Ross, being a footie ref, MSP and MP all at the same time is hard work, and he'd already stated he was going to step down as a MP at the next GE (not sure why he can't do so right now). It's nothing to do with the BC, I believe.

    Edit: he ran for MSP this year while still a MP and got one of the regional seats. And no, he'll still be leader of SCUP - interesting he feels he has to do it at Holyrood not Westminster, though.
    Money Carnyx, he is a greedy Tory. Not happy supping at one trough , he is gorging at two and has a job on the side to boot.
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    Utterly incredible Brentford haven't equalised. They have absolutely dominated this second half so far.
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    darkagedarkage Posts: 4,796
    darkage said:

    "The argument can be made that the scholarly publishing industry is beyond fixing, and we would be better off without journals – perhaps even without pre-publication peer review. Publishers are no longer needed for typesetting or distribution, and social media – including specialist sites such as ResearchGate, which has more than 17 million users – can perform some of their curatorial and marketing functions. What value the journals retain lies in their brands, and in their capacity to organise peer review. But if peer review isn’t working, what is the brand worth? Why not just let researchers make their work public, and let it thrive, or wither?" (from the lrb promo email)

    https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v43/n19/john-whitfield/replication-crisis?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20211016icymi&utm_content=20211016icymi+CID_0f080426ae8a4b23719c46f4bc0606f1&utm_source=LRB email&utm_term=Read more#


    I've been alerted to the fact that this article is behind a paywall (although I think the LRB allow you to read one article a month for free) - but it can be accessed here:
    https://archive.is/moqIt

    The LRB is well worth subscribing to, I subscribe but don't read too many articles (particularly not the annoying woke ones) but some are really good.

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    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    Carnyx said:

    Fishing said:

    Two more weeks till we turn the clocks back.

    Who actually wants it to get dark at 4 pm? No one.
    Why do we do it? Because it worked in the First World War. Or something.

    Let's make this the last year for this crap. December and January are depressing enough.

    Disagree. It makes a positive difference in the north of the UK to have light mornings, at least, for the morning travel and morning hound-walk.
    Summer Time changes. Another thing that has just been banned in the European Union. Perhaps to make the peripheries aware everyday that they are ruled from somewhere else.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Europe

    Good job we voted to get out just in time. Another Brexit benefit for Scotland :smile:

    Personally I seem to be struggling to adjust to 6am starts this year. We need the change a month earlier.

    I'm genuinely at a loss to understand EU thinking on daylight savings time if it is replacing the neat arrangement that everyone makes the same change at the same time, 1am GMT, on the same date (again chosen as the last Sundays of March and October for simplicity). This is to be replaced by a complete dog's breakfast.
    You think the EU is fucked? You should come to the US.

    Florida and California have had referendum on abolishing time changes (which passed), and which have been denied by Washington (under Trump and Biden).

    Arizona doesn't have time changes. Except for some parts of the State, where they do have time changes. As you drive along some straight roads the time leaps forward an hour... and then five miles later drops back. Except, of course, in those times of the year when it doesn't. (Bear in mind I'm still in the state for all this driving. And it's not Arizona is that big a state.)
    And when American states do put the clocks back (or forward) they do so at local time which, of course, varies according to time zone, so there is a rolling change across the country, rather than the European system that specifies the change in GMT so the change is simultaneous, whether at 1, 2, or 3am local time.

    All of this makes coordinating schedules across states or countries very hard and error-prone.
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,364
    edited October 2021

    Utterly incredible Brentford haven't equalised. They have absolutely dominated this second half so far.

    Hmm. Meant to back Brentford. Forgot. Now they are behind. What to do?
    ETA rhetorical question. Have backed home and draw.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,701
    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Douglas Ross confirmed this week that he will stand down from the Commons at the next UK general election - the first MP in this Parliament to do so: https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/scottish-politics/2657685/westminster-boundary-shake-up-will-impact-all-courier-voters/

    Does that mean Scottish Tories have a leadership election first?

    We want a header from @malcolmg , informing us which of the candidates is marginally less contemptible than the others.
    tbf to Mr Ross, being a footie ref, MSP and MP all at the same time is hard work, and he'd already stated he was going to step down as a MP at the next GE (not sure why he can't do so right now). It's nothing to do with the BC, I believe.

    Edit: he ran for MSP this year while still a MP and got one of the regional seats. And no, he'll still be leader of SCUP - interesting he feels he has to do it at Holyrood not Westminster, though.
    Money Carnyx, he is a greedy Tory. Not happy supping at one trough , he is gorging at two and has a job on the side to boot.
    Hello, Malky; hope you are keeping well. Pheasant burgers and Aussie red for dinner, and the rain has come over from your side!
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,653
    Senior Labour figure who knew Sir David Amess “pretty well” gets in touch to propose that Opposition parties should give Tories “a free run” & not stand in Southend West by-election.

    https://twitter.com/joncraig/status/1449428240121073667?s=21
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    sladeslade Posts: 1,932
    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Verdict: possibly the best Frieze ever

    The Standard agrees with me

    "Perhaps I’m swayed by the relief of seeing the art world returning to normal, but I can’t remember a better looking Frieze London than this."

    https://www.standard.co.uk/culture/exhibitions/frieze-london-2021-art-fair-best-b960418.html

    Absolutely jammed. Visitors from all over the world. Sales pinging.

    London will not be beaten

    Not my thing (Frieze) , but the resurrection of arts etc in London is most welcome. I wonder to what extent the spring (morphically) will visit those areas that have become really dead. Great to wave the London flag even if it looks like Boris on a highwire.
    The Remoaners all said that the London art market would decamp en masse to Paris when Brexit happened. And a couple of galleries did open Paris branches.

    But there has been no exodus, at all. The share of the global art market in each city has remained the same, London has 20%, Paris has 7%. There is no comparison.

    It is possible London will actually grow relative to Paris as Brexit is offering big tax advantages to dealers, even as it complicates the movement of art between the EU and UK

    And the obvious pzazz and va-va-voom of this year's Frieze shows that London is definitely roaring back


    https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2021/10/true-colors-london-frieze-week

    I regularly attend my local art week and usually buy a work from a local artist for £50-100. My father was an amateur artist and I have done a few paintings myself. At the moment I have about 95 works on my walls. Until recently the most expensive was a Darren Baker which I bought from the artist himself. But last year I bought a Philip Grey for nearly £7000. I am a believer that good art is a sound investment.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,701
    darkage said:

    darkage said:

    "The argument can be made that the scholarly publishing industry is beyond fixing, and we would be better off without journals – perhaps even without pre-publication peer review. Publishers are no longer needed for typesetting or distribution, and social media – including specialist sites such as ResearchGate, which has more than 17 million users – can perform some of their curatorial and marketing functions. What value the journals retain lies in their brands, and in their capacity to organise peer review. But if peer review isn’t working, what is the brand worth? Why not just let researchers make their work public, and let it thrive, or wither?" (from the lrb promo email)

    https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v43/n19/john-whitfield/replication-crisis?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20211016icymi&utm_content=20211016icymi+CID_0f080426ae8a4b23719c46f4bc0606f1&utm_source=LRB email&utm_term=Read more#


    I've been alerted to the fact that this article is behind a paywall (although I think the LRB allow you to read one article a month for free) - but it can be accessed here:
    https://archive.is/moqIt

    The LRB is well worth subscribing to, I subscribe but don't read too many articles (particularly not the annoying woke ones) but some are really good.

    ResearchGate puts me off with its demand for personal info, connecting with Google for such things, etc. I don't mind information about published papers - that is the whole point - but the other stuff? Or am I misunderstanding?
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,516
    edited October 2021
    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    Carnyx said:

    Fishing said:

    Two more weeks till we turn the clocks back.

    Who actually wants it to get dark at 4 pm? No one.
    Why do we do it? Because it worked in the First World War. Or something.

    Let's make this the last year for this crap. December and January are depressing enough.

    Disagree. It makes a positive difference in the north of the UK to have light mornings, at least, for the morning travel and morning hound-walk.
    Summer Time changes. Another thing that has just been banned in the European Union. Perhaps to make the peripheries aware everyday that they are ruled from somewhere else.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Europe

    Good job we voted to get out just in time. Another Brexit benefit for Scotland :smile:

    Personally I seem to be struggling to adjust to 6am starts this year. We need the change a month earlier.

    I'm genuinely at a loss to understand EU thinking on daylight savings time if it is replacing the neat arrangement that everyone makes the same change at the same time, 1am GMT, on the same date (again chosen as the last Sundays of March and October for simplicity). This is to be replaced by a complete dog's breakfast.
    You think the EU is fucked? You should come to the US.

    Florida and California have had referendum on abolishing time changes (which passed), and which have been denied by Washington (under Trump and Biden).

    Arizona doesn't have time changes. Except for some parts of the State, where they do have time changes. As you drive along some straight roads the time leaps forward an hour... and then five miles later drops back. Except, of course, in those times of the year when it doesn't. (Bear in mind I'm still in the state for all this driving. And it's not Arizona is that big a state.)
    The only place to live is Alaska. Then you get infinite salmon, die painlessly at the initiative of a misanthropic bear, and get a Governor who is comfortable with a turkey cone - so no Christmas shortage.

    More seriously, interesting graph on job adverts for truckers. Over the peak?



    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/57810729
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Aslan said:

    Corporate coal interests have successfully blocked the main climate provision in Biden's plan.

    https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/10/16/manchin-vs-everybody-494729

    The world's climate is fucked. I hate these fossil fuel bastards so much. They will destroy the only planet we have.

    What, like Alderan in Star Wars? Or do you mean the planet will become uninhabitable if the temperature rises a few more degrees, despite the fact that we live from the Sahara to arctic?
    And under water. Moron.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,164

    One of the few advantages of a tragedy such as yesterday's, is that some @$$hats show their true colours:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-58939716


    What a grade A POS.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,653
    On the last rights question as Amess was stabbed 17 times and the paramedics had battled to save him isn’t “the nature of the scene” code for “it was a bloodbath”?
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    malcolmg said:

    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Douglas Ross confirmed this week that he will stand down from the Commons at the next UK general election - the first MP in this Parliament to do so: https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/scottish-politics/2657685/westminster-boundary-shake-up-will-impact-all-courier-voters/

    Does that mean Scottish Tories have a leadership election first?

    We want a header from @malcolmg , informing us which of the candidates is marginally less contemptible than the others.
    They are all cheeks of the same arse Matt
    Normally an arse has just two cheeks. Hence one can draw the parallel between UKIP and Scottish Nationalism. Both seek division and hatred and essentially base their appeal on prejudice about other groups. They are two cheeks of the same putrid nationalistic arse.

    There fixed it for you!
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    IshmaelZ said:

    Aslan said:

    Corporate coal interests have successfully blocked the main climate provision in Biden's plan.

    https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/10/16/manchin-vs-everybody-494729

    The world's climate is fucked. I hate these fossil fuel bastards so much. They will destroy the only planet we have.

    What, like Alderan in Star Wars? Or do you mean the planet will become uninhabitable if the temperature rises a few more degrees, despite the fact that we live from the Sahara to arctic?
    And under water. Moron.
    Except it won't. Moron.

    Bits of it will be but only a fraction more than already is. And will be again in the future no matter what we do about CO2.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,923
    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Douglas Ross confirmed this week that he will stand down from the Commons at the next UK general election - the first MP in this Parliament to do so: https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/scottish-politics/2657685/westminster-boundary-shake-up-will-impact-all-courier-voters/

    Does that mean Scottish Tories have a leadership election first?

    We want a header from @malcolmg , informing us which of the candidates is marginally less contemptible than the others.
    tbf to Mr Ross, being a footie ref, MSP and MP all at the same time is hard work, and he'd already stated he was going to step down as a MP at the next GE (not sure why he can't do so right now). It's nothing to do with the BC, I believe.

    Edit: he ran for MSP this year while still a MP and got one of the regional seats. And no, he'll still be leader of SCUP - interesting he feels he has to do it at Holyrood not Westminster, though.
    Money Carnyx, he is a greedy Tory. Not happy supping at one trough , he is gorging at two and has a job on the side to boot.
    Hello, Malky; hope you are keeping well. Pheasant burgers and Aussie red for dinner, and the rain has come over from your side!
    Hello Carnyx , I am well but wife has shingles now so not so great , medicine caused her breathing difficultise so she is suffering. She has had a tough 2 years.
    Dinner will be Carbonara with a few glasses of wine.
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    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Verdict: possibly the best Frieze ever

    The Standard agrees with me

    "Perhaps I’m swayed by the relief of seeing the art world returning to normal, but I can’t remember a better looking Frieze London than this."

    https://www.standard.co.uk/culture/exhibitions/frieze-london-2021-art-fair-best-b960418.html

    Absolutely jammed. Visitors from all over the world. Sales pinging.

    London will not be beaten

    Not my thing (Frieze) , but the resurrection of arts etc in London is most welcome. I wonder to what extent the spring (morphically) will visit those areas that have become really dead. Great to wave the London flag even if it looks like Boris on a highwire.
    The Remoaners all said that the London art market would decamp en masse to Paris when Brexit happened. And a couple of galleries did open Paris branches.

    But there has been no exodus, at all. The share of the global art market in each city has remained the same, London has 20%, Paris has 7%. There is no comparison.

    It is possible London will actually grow relative to Paris as Brexit is offering big tax advantages to dealers, even as it complicates the movement of art between the EU and UK

    And the obvious pzazz and va-va-voom of this year's Frieze shows that London is definitely roaring back


    https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2021/10/true-colors-london-frieze-week

    That is a relief. I am obviously not a "remoaner", because if "all" such folk said this I am not in that camp.

    Silly statement really @Leon. A bit like saying *all* Brexit apologists are prejudiced dickheads.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,701
    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Douglas Ross confirmed this week that he will stand down from the Commons at the next UK general election - the first MP in this Parliament to do so: https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/scottish-politics/2657685/westminster-boundary-shake-up-will-impact-all-courier-voters/

    Does that mean Scottish Tories have a leadership election first?

    We want a header from @malcolmg , informing us which of the candidates is marginally less contemptible than the others.
    tbf to Mr Ross, being a footie ref, MSP and MP all at the same time is hard work, and he'd already stated he was going to step down as a MP at the next GE (not sure why he can't do so right now). It's nothing to do with the BC, I believe.

    Edit: he ran for MSP this year while still a MP and got one of the regional seats. And no, he'll still be leader of SCUP - interesting he feels he has to do it at Holyrood not Westminster, though.
    Money Carnyx, he is a greedy Tory. Not happy supping at one trough , he is gorging at two and has a job on the side to boot.
    Hello, Malky; hope you are keeping well. Pheasant burgers and Aussie red for dinner, and the rain has come over from your side!
    Hello Carnyx , I am well but wife has shingles now so not so great , medicine caused her breathing difficultise so she is suffering. She has had a tough 2 years.
    Dinner will be Carbonara with a few glasses of wine.
    My commiserations.
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    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Douglas Ross confirmed this week that he will stand down from the Commons at the next UK general election - the first MP in this Parliament to do so: https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/scottish-politics/2657685/westminster-boundary-shake-up-will-impact-all-courier-voters/

    Does that mean Scottish Tories have a leadership election first?

    We want a header from @malcolmg , informing us which of the candidates is marginally less contemptible than the others.
    tbf to Mr Ross, being a footie ref, MSP and MP all at the same time is hard work, and he'd already stated he was going to step down as a MP at the next GE (not sure why he can't do so right now). It's nothing to do with the BC, I believe.

    Edit: he ran for MSP this year while still a MP and got one of the regional seats. And no, he'll still be leader of SCUP - interesting he feels he has to do it at Holyrood not Westminster, though.
    Money Carnyx, he is a greedy Tory. Not happy supping at one trough , he is gorging at two and has a job on the side to boot.
    Hello, Malky; hope you are keeping well. Pheasant burgers and Aussie red for dinner, and the rain has come over from your side!
    Hello Carnyx , I am well but wife has shingles now so not so great , medicine caused her breathing difficultise so she is suffering. She has had a tough 2 years.
    Dinner will be Carbonara with a few glasses of wine.
    Damn sorry Malc. Hope it all works out okay for her and of course for you as well.
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    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    Carnyx said:

    Fishing said:

    Two more weeks till we turn the clocks back.

    Who actually wants it to get dark at 4 pm? No one.
    Why do we do it? Because it worked in the First World War. Or something.

    Let's make this the last year for this crap. December and January are depressing enough.

    Disagree. It makes a positive difference in the north of the UK to have light mornings, at least, for the morning travel and morning hound-walk.
    Summer Time changes. Another thing that has just been banned in the European Union. Perhaps to make the peripheries aware everyday that they are ruled from somewhere else.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Europe

    Good job we voted to get out just in time. Another Brexit benefit for Scotland :smile:

    Personally I seem to be struggling to adjust to 6am starts this year. We need the change a month earlier.

    I'm genuinely at a loss to understand EU thinking on daylight savings time if it is replacing the neat arrangement that everyone makes the same change at the same time, 1am GMT, on the same date (again chosen as the last Sundays of March and October for simplicity). This is to be replaced by a complete dog's breakfast.
    You think the EU is fucked? You should come to the US.

    Florida and California have had referendum on abolishing time changes (which passed), and which have been denied by Washington (under Trump and Biden).

    Arizona doesn't have time changes. Except for some parts of the State, where they do have time changes. As you drive along some straight roads the time leaps forward an hour... and then five miles later drops back. Except, of course, in those times of the year when it doesn't. (Bear in mind I'm still in the state for all this driving. And it's not Arizona is that big a state.)
    Note that many US states (AK, FL, ID, IN, KS, KY, MI, NB, NV, ND, OR, SD, TN, TX) are split between time zones. For example, Chicago burbs in northwest Indiana are in same zone as the Windy City.

    Plus there are a number of other variations, such as Arizona NOT using daylight savings time EXCEPT for the Navaho Reservation.

    Further note that in the Dakotas, people refer to "fast time" (Central Time Zone) versus "slow time" (Mountain Time Zone). As in announcements such as "The meeting will begin at 7:00pm (fast time)".
    Reason for this is that it gives a frame of reference for folks who may live on one side of the line, but work on the other.

    Another factor is counties that switch from one zone to another, generally because of desire to sync local time with larger communities (such as burbs in Hoosier State aligning with Chicago).
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    If Chelsea hold on to win this their keeper absolutely deserves man of the match.

    This second half has been so one sided. Brentford could have had four.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    Aslan said:

    Corporate coal interests have successfully blocked the main climate provision in Biden's plan.

    https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/10/16/manchin-vs-everybody-494729

    The world's climate is fucked. I hate these fossil fuel bastards so much. They will destroy the only planet we have.

    What, like Alderan in Star Wars? Or do you mean the planet will become uninhabitable if the temperature rises a few more degrees, despite the fact that we live from the Sahara to arctic?
    And under water. Moron.
    Except it won't. Moron.

    Bits of it will be but only a fraction more than already is. And will be again in the future no matter what we do about CO2.
    Um, I wasn't talking to you, and nothing about your post is interesting enough to make me start.
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    Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 13,781
    edited October 2021

    IshmaelZ said:

    Aslan said:

    Corporate coal interests have successfully blocked the main climate provision in Biden's plan.

    https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/10/16/manchin-vs-everybody-494729

    The world's climate is fucked. I hate these fossil fuel bastards so much. They will destroy the only planet we have.

    What, like Alderan in Star Wars? Or do you mean the planet will become uninhabitable if the temperature rises a few more degrees, despite the fact that we live from the Sahara to arctic?
    And under water. Moron.
    Except it won't. Moron.

    Bits of it will be but only a fraction more than already is. And will be again in the future no matter what we do about CO2.
    The under water thing is interesting. I studied Earth Science back in the early 80s and we were told to expect significant eustatic sea level rises in the following decade. Most of the examples given by journalists are actually isostatic (localised) changes, not due to global sea level rises but local geological movement (eg southern Egland)
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,164
    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Douglas Ross confirmed this week that he will stand down from the Commons at the next UK general election - the first MP in this Parliament to do so: https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/scottish-politics/2657685/westminster-boundary-shake-up-will-impact-all-courier-voters/

    Does that mean Scottish Tories have a leadership election first?

    We want a header from @malcolmg , informing us which of the candidates is marginally less contemptible than the others.
    tbf to Mr Ross, being a footie ref, MSP and MP all at the same time is hard work, and he'd already stated he was going to step down as a MP at the next GE (not sure why he can't do so right now). It's nothing to do with the BC, I believe.

    Edit: he ran for MSP this year while still a MP and got one of the regional seats. And no, he'll still be leader of SCUP - interesting he feels he has to do it at Holyrood not Westminster, though.
    Money Carnyx, he is a greedy Tory. Not happy supping at one trough , he is gorging at two and has a job on the side to boot.
    Hello, Malky; hope you are keeping well. Pheasant burgers and Aussie red for dinner, and the rain has come over from your side!
    Hello Carnyx , I am well but wife has shingles now so not so great , medicine caused her breathing difficultise so she is suffering. She has had a tough 2 years.
    Dinner will be Carbonara with a few glasses of wine.
    Our best wishes to you and your wife Malc. Hope she gets well soon.
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    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Aslan said:

    Corporate coal interests have successfully blocked the main climate provision in Biden's plan.

    https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/10/16/manchin-vs-everybody-494729

    The world's climate is fucked. I hate these fossil fuel bastards so much. They will destroy the only planet we have.

    What, like Alderan in Star Wars? Or do you mean the planet will become uninhabitable if the temperature rises a few more degrees, despite the fact that we live from the Sahara to arctic?
    And under water. Moron.
    Except it won't. Moron.

    Bits of it will be but only a fraction more than already is. And will be again in the future no matter what we do about CO2.
    Um, I wasn't talking to you, and nothing about your post is interesting enough to make me start.
    I am sure that is a relief for both is us.
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    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Douglas Ross confirmed this week that he will stand down from the Commons at the next UK general election - the first MP in this Parliament to do so: https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/scottish-politics/2657685/westminster-boundary-shake-up-will-impact-all-courier-voters/

    Does that mean Scottish Tories have a leadership election first?

    We want a header from @malcolmg , informing us which of the candidates is marginally less contemptible than the others.
    tbf to Mr Ross, being a footie ref, MSP and MP all at the same time is hard work, and he'd already stated he was going to step down as a MP at the next GE (not sure why he can't do so right now). It's nothing to do with the BC, I believe.

    Edit: he ran for MSP this year while still a MP and got one of the regional seats. And no, he'll still be leader of SCUP - interesting he feels he has to do it at Holyrood not Westminster, though.
    Money Carnyx, he is a greedy Tory. Not happy supping at one trough , he is gorging at two and has a job on the side to boot.
    Hello, Malky; hope you are keeping well. Pheasant burgers and Aussie red for dinner, and the rain has come over from your side!
    Hello Carnyx , I am well but wife has shingles now so not so great , medicine caused her breathing difficultise so she is suffering. She has had a tough 2 years.
    Dinner will be Carbonara with a few glasses of wine.
    Tough break, Malc.

    When I was a kid (another flashback) my mom had shingles. Was one of the few times I ever saw or heard her cry (for herself, anyway).

    She's lucky to have you to help her get through it. Best wishes for her & yourself.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,131
    edited October 2021
    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Verdict: possibly the best Frieze ever

    The Standard agrees with me

    "Perhaps I’m swayed by the relief of seeing the art world returning to normal, but I can’t remember a better looking Frieze London than this."

    https://www.standard.co.uk/culture/exhibitions/frieze-london-2021-art-fair-best-b960418.html

    Absolutely jammed. Visitors from all over the world. Sales pinging.

    London will not be beaten

    Not my thing (Frieze) , but the resurrection of arts etc in London is most welcome. I wonder to what extent the spring (morphically) will visit those areas that have become really dead. Great to wave the London flag even if it looks like Boris on a highwire.
    The Remoaners all said that the London art market would decamp en masse to Paris when Brexit happened. And a couple of galleries did open Paris branches.

    But there has been no exodus, at all. The share of the global art market in each city has remained the same, London has 20%, Paris has 7%. There is no comparison.

    It is possible London will actually grow relative to Paris as Brexit is offering big tax advantages to dealers, even as it complicates the movement of art between the EU and UK

    And the obvious pzazz and va-va-voom of this year's Frieze shows that London is definitely roaring back


    https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2021/10/true-colors-london-frieze-week

    Well that's encouraging. The event itself and the whole art scene is small potatoes, but if it's indicative of the big picture then that's great.
    I firmly believe it is indicative. The art scene is a bellwether for wider cultural/societal/economic changes

    My feeling now is that the death of big cities has been wildly exaggerated. People want to crowd together and gossip and drink and flirt and fuck with other people, new people, exciting people, young people, weird people. You can only do this in cities, and you can only do it brilliantly and extravagantly in great world cities like London

    So the really big cities will be fine. Post pandemic changes will probably hit smaller cities more severely

    Specific to London, the menace of Brexit is also exaggerated. London has a critical mass, and a fundamental attraction: English language, time zone, common law, accumulated wealth, the City, the West End, the culture, and so on, and so forth.

    It will take some knocks from Brexit, but there will also be new opportunities, which is exactly what was predicted by non-hysterical Leavers, and is exactly what is already happening in the art market: Brexit makes it hassly for EU dealers to come to London, with their work, BUT it also makes the London art market potentially more flexible on tax, which could be pretty attractive

    Incidentally, there is a threat to London as a global art capital, but it is from Hong Kong, not anywhere in the EU.

    Hong Kong has eaten up a lot of the business once done in London and NYC, whether that will continue no one knows. Beijing is not helping its own cause. And at the London auctions this week there was, apparently, a notable presence of Asian buyers, spending more than anyone else. So that threat may also prove temporary, or a new equlibirium will be reached where there are three major art centres: NYC, London, Hong Kong

    Finally, some of the best art at Frieze this year is Korean. What is this weird cultural explosion they are having?

    First they took over pop music, now they are doing TV, next contemporary art?!









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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,131

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Verdict: possibly the best Frieze ever

    The Standard agrees with me

    "Perhaps I’m swayed by the relief of seeing the art world returning to normal, but I can’t remember a better looking Frieze London than this."

    https://www.standard.co.uk/culture/exhibitions/frieze-london-2021-art-fair-best-b960418.html

    Absolutely jammed. Visitors from all over the world. Sales pinging.

    London will not be beaten

    Not my thing (Frieze) , but the resurrection of arts etc in London is most welcome. I wonder to what extent the spring (morphically) will visit those areas that have become really dead. Great to wave the London flag even if it looks like Boris on a highwire.
    The Remoaners all said that the London art market would decamp en masse to Paris when Brexit happened. And a couple of galleries did open Paris branches.

    But there has been no exodus, at all. The share of the global art market in each city has remained the same, London has 20%, Paris has 7%. There is no comparison.

    It is possible London will actually grow relative to Paris as Brexit is offering big tax advantages to dealers, even as it complicates the movement of art between the EU and UK

    And the obvious pzazz and va-va-voom of this year's Frieze shows that London is definitely roaring back


    https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2021/10/true-colors-london-frieze-week

    That is a relief. I am obviously not a "remoaner", because if "all" such folk said this I am not in that camp.

    Silly statement really @Leon. A bit like saying *all* Brexit apologists are prejudiced dickheads.
    Yes, that's fair. Apologies

    I was hurrying my comment to get to the gist. I should have said "the extreme Remainer pessimists"
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    darkagedarkage Posts: 4,796
    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    eek said:

    MattW said:

    Talking of worst episodes of our history. Another one for the police to explain if true.


    It's a crime scene.

    You cannot violate the integrity of scene or accidentally destroy/contaminate evidence.

    Any half decent barrister would have a field day in having a lot of the physical evidence excluded from the trial.
    However, you also have paramedics trying to deal with his injuries....

    And as my wife just pointed out you need to deal with his mental / spiritual health as well as his physical health.
    There's a massive difference between physical health and "spiritual health".

    Preserving the crime scene surely has to take priority. Unfortunately. The last thing that anyone should want is the risk of an acquittal due to the crime scene being compromised.
    You really think the murderer would be acquitted when he stood there waiting to be arrested and was seen by plenty of witnesses to have stabbed the MP just because a priest came in and gave the Last Rites? Ok.

    I think this has more to do with your anti-religious views than truly believing it could compromise a prosecution.
    I suspect that the police have a manual, and the manual says 'thou shalt not allow non-authorized people such as family or priests into an active crime scene'. Said manual will not have a line saying 'if you have the murderer on tape and in custody, then this obviously doesn't apply'.

    And the policeman who turned the priest away was probably a very junior Bobby, who had no authority to make exceptions.
    As I understand, it is a really serious issue - policemen/women have lost their jobs and worse for accidentally doing things that jeopardise crime scenes.

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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,923
    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Douglas Ross confirmed this week that he will stand down from the Commons at the next UK general election - the first MP in this Parliament to do so: https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/scottish-politics/2657685/westminster-boundary-shake-up-will-impact-all-courier-voters/

    Does that mean Scottish Tories have a leadership election first?

    We want a header from @malcolmg , informing us which of the candidates is marginally less contemptible than the others.
    tbf to Mr Ross, being a footie ref, MSP and MP all at the same time is hard work, and he'd already stated he was going to step down as a MP at the next GE (not sure why he can't do so right now). It's nothing to do with the BC, I believe.

    Edit: he ran for MSP this year while still a MP and got one of the regional seats. And no, he'll still be leader of SCUP - interesting he feels he has to do it at Holyrood not Westminster, though.
    Money Carnyx, he is a greedy Tory. Not happy supping at one trough , he is gorging at two and has a job on the side to boot.
    Hello, Malky; hope you are keeping well. Pheasant burgers and Aussie red for dinner, and the rain has come over from your side!
    Hello Carnyx , I am well but wife has shingles now so not so great , medicine caused her breathing difficultise so she is suffering. She has had a tough 2 years.
    Dinner will be Carbonara with a few glasses of wine.
    My commiserations.
    thanks
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,923

    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Douglas Ross confirmed this week that he will stand down from the Commons at the next UK general election - the first MP in this Parliament to do so: https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/scottish-politics/2657685/westminster-boundary-shake-up-will-impact-all-courier-voters/

    Does that mean Scottish Tories have a leadership election first?

    We want a header from @malcolmg , informing us which of the candidates is marginally less contemptible than the others.
    tbf to Mr Ross, being a footie ref, MSP and MP all at the same time is hard work, and he'd already stated he was going to step down as a MP at the next GE (not sure why he can't do so right now). It's nothing to do with the BC, I believe.

    Edit: he ran for MSP this year while still a MP and got one of the regional seats. And no, he'll still be leader of SCUP - interesting he feels he has to do it at Holyrood not Westminster, though.
    Money Carnyx, he is a greedy Tory. Not happy supping at one trough , he is gorging at two and has a job on the side to boot.
    Hello, Malky; hope you are keeping well. Pheasant burgers and Aussie red for dinner, and the rain has come over from your side!
    Hello Carnyx , I am well but wife has shingles now so not so great , medicine caused her breathing difficultise so she is suffering. She has had a tough 2 years.
    Dinner will be Carbonara with a few glasses of wine.
    Damn sorry Malc. Hope it all works out okay for her and of course for you as well.
    Thanks Richard.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,923

    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Douglas Ross confirmed this week that he will stand down from the Commons at the next UK general election - the first MP in this Parliament to do so: https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/scottish-politics/2657685/westminster-boundary-shake-up-will-impact-all-courier-voters/

    Does that mean Scottish Tories have a leadership election first?

    We want a header from @malcolmg , informing us which of the candidates is marginally less contemptible than the others.
    tbf to Mr Ross, being a footie ref, MSP and MP all at the same time is hard work, and he'd already stated he was going to step down as a MP at the next GE (not sure why he can't do so right now). It's nothing to do with the BC, I believe.

    Edit: he ran for MSP this year while still a MP and got one of the regional seats. And no, he'll still be leader of SCUP - interesting he feels he has to do it at Holyrood not Westminster, though.
    Money Carnyx, he is a greedy Tory. Not happy supping at one trough , he is gorging at two and has a job on the side to boot.
    Hello, Malky; hope you are keeping well. Pheasant burgers and Aussie red for dinner, and the rain has come over from your side!
    Hello Carnyx , I am well but wife has shingles now so not so great , medicine caused her breathing difficultise so she is suffering. She has had a tough 2 years.
    Dinner will be Carbonara with a few glasses of wine.
    Tough break, Malc.

    When I was a kid (another flashback) my mom had shingles. Was one of the few times I ever saw or heard her cry (for herself, anyway).

    She's lucky to have you to help her get through it. Best wishes for her & yourself.
    Thanks
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,923
    Taz said:

    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Douglas Ross confirmed this week that he will stand down from the Commons at the next UK general election - the first MP in this Parliament to do so: https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/scottish-politics/2657685/westminster-boundary-shake-up-will-impact-all-courier-voters/

    Does that mean Scottish Tories have a leadership election first?

    We want a header from @malcolmg , informing us which of the candidates is marginally less contemptible than the others.
    tbf to Mr Ross, being a footie ref, MSP and MP all at the same time is hard work, and he'd already stated he was going to step down as a MP at the next GE (not sure why he can't do so right now). It's nothing to do with the BC, I believe.

    Edit: he ran for MSP this year while still a MP and got one of the regional seats. And no, he'll still be leader of SCUP - interesting he feels he has to do it at Holyrood not Westminster, though.
    Money Carnyx, he is a greedy Tory. Not happy supping at one trough , he is gorging at two and has a job on the side to boot.
    Hello, Malky; hope you are keeping well. Pheasant burgers and Aussie red for dinner, and the rain has come over from your side!
    Hello Carnyx , I am well but wife has shingles now so not so great , medicine caused her breathing difficultise so she is suffering. She has had a tough 2 years.
    Dinner will be Carbonara with a few glasses of wine.
    Our best wishes to you and your wife Malc. Hope she gets well soon.
    Thank you
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    darkage said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    eek said:

    MattW said:

    Talking of worst episodes of our history. Another one for the police to explain if true.


    It's a crime scene.

    You cannot violate the integrity of scene or accidentally destroy/contaminate evidence.

    Any half decent barrister would have a field day in having a lot of the physical evidence excluded from the trial.
    However, you also have paramedics trying to deal with his injuries....

    And as my wife just pointed out you need to deal with his mental / spiritual health as well as his physical health.
    There's a massive difference between physical health and "spiritual health".

    Preserving the crime scene surely has to take priority. Unfortunately. The last thing that anyone should want is the risk of an acquittal due to the crime scene being compromised.
    You really think the murderer would be acquitted when he stood there waiting to be arrested and was seen by plenty of witnesses to have stabbed the MP just because a priest came in and gave the Last Rites? Ok.

    I think this has more to do with your anti-religious views than truly believing it could compromise a prosecution.
    I suspect that the police have a manual, and the manual says 'thou shalt not allow non-authorized people such as family or priests into an active crime scene'. Said manual will not have a line saying 'if you have the murderer on tape and in custody, then this obviously doesn't apply'.

    And the policeman who turned the priest away was probably a very junior Bobby, who had no authority to make exceptions.
    As I understand, it is a really serious issue - policemen/women have lost their jobs and worse for accidentally doing things that jeopardise crime scenes.

    It's horrible that he was denied last rites but the fault of that lies squarely and solely with the murderer who took his life and turned it into a crime scene.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,516
    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Douglas Ross confirmed this week that he will stand down from the Commons at the next UK general election - the first MP in this Parliament to do so: https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/scottish-politics/2657685/westminster-boundary-shake-up-will-impact-all-courier-voters/

    Does that mean Scottish Tories have a leadership election first?

    We want a header from @malcolmg , informing us which of the candidates is marginally less contemptible than the others.
    tbf to Mr Ross, being a footie ref, MSP and MP all at the same time is hard work, and he'd already stated he was going to step down as a MP at the next GE (not sure why he can't do so right now). It's nothing to do with the BC, I believe.

    Edit: he ran for MSP this year while still a MP and got one of the regional seats. And no, he'll still be leader of SCUP - interesting he feels he has to do it at Holyrood not Westminster, though.
    Money Carnyx, he is a greedy Tory. Not happy supping at one trough , he is gorging at two and has a job on the side to boot.
    Hello, Malky; hope you are keeping well. Pheasant burgers and Aussie red for dinner, and the rain has come over from your side!
    Hello Carnyx , I am well but wife has shingles now so not so great , medicine caused her breathing difficultise so she is suffering. She has had a tough 2 years.
    Dinner will be Carbonara with a few glasses of wine.
    My commiserations.
    +1
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,131
    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Douglas Ross confirmed this week that he will stand down from the Commons at the next UK general election - the first MP in this Parliament to do so: https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/scottish-politics/2657685/westminster-boundary-shake-up-will-impact-all-courier-voters/

    Does that mean Scottish Tories have a leadership election first?

    We want a header from @malcolmg , informing us which of the candidates is marginally less contemptible than the others.
    tbf to Mr Ross, being a footie ref, MSP and MP all at the same time is hard work, and he'd already stated he was going to step down as a MP at the next GE (not sure why he can't do so right now). It's nothing to do with the BC, I believe.

    Edit: he ran for MSP this year while still a MP and got one of the regional seats. And no, he'll still be leader of SCUP - interesting he feels he has to do it at Holyrood not Westminster, though.
    Money Carnyx, he is a greedy Tory. Not happy supping at one trough , he is gorging at two and has a job on the side to boot.
    Hello, Malky; hope you are keeping well. Pheasant burgers and Aussie red for dinner, and the rain has come over from your side!
    Hello Carnyx , I am well but wife has shingles now so not so great , medicine caused her breathing difficultise so she is suffering. She has had a tough 2 years.
    Dinner will be Carbonara with a few glasses of wine.
    My commiserations.
    thanks
    Hope it all improves. Have that wine
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,775
    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Verdict: possibly the best Frieze ever

    The Standard agrees with me

    "Perhaps I’m swayed by the relief of seeing the art world returning to normal, but I can’t remember a better looking Frieze London than this."

    https://www.standard.co.uk/culture/exhibitions/frieze-london-2021-art-fair-best-b960418.html

    Absolutely jammed. Visitors from all over the world. Sales pinging.

    London will not be beaten

    Not my thing (Frieze) , but the resurrection of arts etc in London is most welcome. I wonder to what extent the spring (morphically) will visit those areas that have become really dead. Great to wave the London flag even if it looks like Boris on a highwire.
    The Remoaners all said that the London art market would decamp en masse to Paris when Brexit happened. And a couple of galleries did open Paris branches.

    But there has been no exodus, at all. The share of the global art market in each city has remained the same, London has 20%, Paris has 7%. There is no comparison.

    It is possible London will actually grow relative to Paris as Brexit is offering big tax advantages to dealers, even as it complicates the movement of art between the EU and UK

    And the obvious pzazz and va-va-voom of this year's Frieze shows that London is definitely roaring back


    https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2021/10/true-colors-london-frieze-week

    Well that's encouraging. The event itself and the whole art scene is small potatoes, but if it's indicative of the big picture then that's great.
    I firmly believe it is indicative. The art scene is a bellwether for wider cultural/societal/economic changes

    My feeling now is that the death of big cities has been wildly exaggerated. People want to crowd together and gossip and drink and flirt and fuck with other people, new people, exciting people, young people, weird people. You can only do this in cities, and you can only do it brilliantly and extravagantly in great world cities like London

    So the really big cities will be fine. Post pandemic changes will probably hit smaller cities more severely

    Specific to London, the menace of Brexit is also exaggerated. London has a critical mass, and a fundamental attraction: English language, time zone, culture, common law, accumulated wealth, the City, the West End, the culture, and so on, and so forth.

    It will take some knocks from Brexit, but there will also be new opportunities, which is exactly what was predicted by non-hysterical Leavers, and is exactly what is already happening in the art market: Brexit makes it hassly for EU dealers to come to London, with their work, BUT it also makes the London art market potentially more flexible on tax, which could be pretty attractive

    Incidentally, there is a threat to London as a global art capital, but it is from Hong Kong, not anywhere in the EU.

    Hong Kong has eaten up a lot of the business once done in London and NYC, whether that will continue no one knows. Beijing is not helping its own cause. And at the London auctions this week there was, apparently, a notable presence of Asian buyers, spending more than anyone else. So that threat may also prove temporary, or a new equlibirium will be reached where there are three major art centres: NYC, London, Hong Kong

    Finally, some of the best art at Frieze this year is Korean. What is this weird cultural explosion they are having?

    First they took over pop music, now they are doing TV, next contemporary art?!

    I hope you're right and I share many of these thoughts. Poke about in the lesser visited places in London though. Smithfield for example - it's not right.

    I walk and cycle the streets of our great city. I see great vibrancy as before, but there are real holes.

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    IshmaelZ said:

    Aslan said:

    Corporate coal interests have successfully blocked the main climate provision in Biden's plan.

    https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/10/16/manchin-vs-everybody-494729

    The world's climate is fucked. I hate these fossil fuel bastards so much. They will destroy the only planet we have.

    What, like Alderan in Star Wars? Or do you mean the planet will become uninhabitable if the temperature rises a few more degrees, despite the fact that we live from the Sahara to arctic?
    And under water. Moron.
    Except it won't. Moron.

    Bits of it will be but only a fraction more than already is. And will be again in the future no matter what we do about CO2.
    The under water thing is interesting. I studied Earth Science back in the early 80s and we were told to expect significant eustatic sea level rises in the following decade. Most of the examples given by journalists are actually isostatic (localised) changes, not due to global sea level rises but local geological movement (eg southern Egland)
    I think there is pretty clear evidence of some eustatic changes these days. It is no where near as bad as was predicted but it is there and there is nothing to say it won't increase in rate as things get warmer.

    The problem we have - which is what I was referring to in my snapped reply to IshmaelZ - is that even if we do all the net zero stuff and stop any man made influence on the climate it probably won't make a blind bit of difference. Natural variation will result in much higher sea levels and we have put ourselves in the very poor position of having 10% of the world's population living within 10m of sealevel and almost half living within 30m. When sealevels rise - as they inevitably will - those people are screwed.

    Of course England, just like poor old New Orleans, has the additional problem of isostatic change so they are sinking even if sealevel doesn't change. Malc will be okay though up in Scotland.

    I have spent the day teaching the evidence for climate change in the geological record to leaders of the branches of the Young Archaeologist Club from across England so this is all nice and fresh in my mind.
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    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Douglas Ross confirmed this week that he will stand down from the Commons at the next UK general election - the first MP in this Parliament to do so: https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/scottish-politics/2657685/westminster-boundary-shake-up-will-impact-all-courier-voters/

    Does that mean Scottish Tories have a leadership election first?

    We want a header from @malcolmg , informing us which of the candidates is marginally less contemptible than the others.
    tbf to Mr Ross, being a footie ref, MSP and MP all at the same time is hard work, and he'd already stated he was going to step down as a MP at the next GE (not sure why he can't do so right now). It's nothing to do with the BC, I believe.

    Edit: he ran for MSP this year while still a MP and got one of the regional seats. And no, he'll still be leader of SCUP - interesting he feels he has to do it at Holyrood not Westminster, though.
    Money Carnyx, he is a greedy Tory. Not happy supping at one trough , he is gorging at two and has a job on the side to boot.
    Hello, Malky; hope you are keeping well. Pheasant burgers and Aussie red for dinner, and the rain has come over from your side!
    Hello Carnyx , I am well but wife has shingles now so not so great , medicine caused her breathing difficultise so she is suffering. She has had a tough 2 years.
    Dinner will be Carbonara with a few glasses of wine.
    Sorry to hear that Malc.

    Best wishes to you both
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,131
    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Verdict: possibly the best Frieze ever

    The Standard agrees with me

    "Perhaps I’m swayed by the relief of seeing the art world returning to normal, but I can’t remember a better looking Frieze London than this."

    https://www.standard.co.uk/culture/exhibitions/frieze-london-2021-art-fair-best-b960418.html

    Absolutely jammed. Visitors from all over the world. Sales pinging.

    London will not be beaten

    Not my thing (Frieze) , but the resurrection of arts etc in London is most welcome. I wonder to what extent the spring (morphically) will visit those areas that have become really dead. Great to wave the London flag even if it looks like Boris on a highwire.
    The Remoaners all said that the London art market would decamp en masse to Paris when Brexit happened. And a couple of galleries did open Paris branches.

    But there has been no exodus, at all. The share of the global art market in each city has remained the same, London has 20%, Paris has 7%. There is no comparison.

    It is possible London will actually grow relative to Paris as Brexit is offering big tax advantages to dealers, even as it complicates the movement of art between the EU and UK

    And the obvious pzazz and va-va-voom of this year's Frieze shows that London is definitely roaring back


    https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2021/10/true-colors-london-frieze-week

    Well that's encouraging. The event itself and the whole art scene is small potatoes, but if it's indicative of the big picture then that's great.
    I firmly believe it is indicative. The art scene is a bellwether for wider cultural/societal/economic changes

    My feeling now is that the death of big cities has been wildly exaggerated. People want to crowd together and gossip and drink and flirt and fuck with other people, new people, exciting people, young people, weird people. You can only do this in cities, and you can only do it brilliantly and extravagantly in great world cities like London

    So the really big cities will be fine. Post pandemic changes will probably hit smaller cities more severely

    Specific to London, the menace of Brexit is also exaggerated. London has a critical mass, and a fundamental attraction: English language, time zone, culture, common law, accumulated wealth, the City, the West End, the culture, and so on, and so forth.

    It will take some knocks from Brexit, but there will also be new opportunities, which is exactly what was predicted by non-hysterical Leavers, and is exactly what is already happening in the art market: Brexit makes it hassly for EU dealers to come to London, with their work, BUT it also makes the London art market potentially more flexible on tax, which could be pretty attractive

    Incidentally, there is a threat to London as a global art capital, but it is from Hong Kong, not anywhere in the EU.

    Hong Kong has eaten up a lot of the business once done in London and NYC, whether that will continue no one knows. Beijing is not helping its own cause. And at the London auctions this week there was, apparently, a notable presence of Asian buyers, spending more than anyone else. So that threat may also prove temporary, or a new equlibirium will be reached where there are three major art centres: NYC, London, Hong Kong

    Finally, some of the best art at Frieze this year is Korean. What is this weird cultural explosion they are having?

    First they took over pop music, now they are doing TV, next contemporary art?!

    I hope you're right and I share many of these thoughts. Poke about in the lesser visited places in London though. Smithfield for example - it's not right.

    I walk and cycle the streets of our great city. I see great vibrancy as before, but there are real holes.

    I do get about quite a lot, and I do see some sad sights still

    Smithfield has been fucked for years tho, hasn't it? Even before Covid it was in swift decline, the meat market shut and the concert hall cancelled, and the nightlife/restaurant/bar scene shifted in toto from St John St to Shoreditch

    I am much more optimistic about Camden than I was. I remember posting on here in late Spring about a walk from Highgate to Primrose Hill in the evening when it was positively dystopian. Horrible. So many places closed, with no sign of reopening

    Even 2 months ago much of the area around the market was grim.

    Now 90% of places have reopened or have been taken over by new business. Which is great to see

    I haven't been to Canary Wharf. I do wonder how they are doing there
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Trump energising the base. *checks notes * the Dem base.

    https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/1448987980929056779
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Mr. G, sorry to hear that about your wife. Hope things can improve.
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    darkagedarkage Posts: 4,796
    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Verdict: possibly the best Frieze ever

    The Standard agrees with me

    "Perhaps I’m swayed by the relief of seeing the art world returning to normal, but I can’t remember a better looking Frieze London than this."

    https://www.standard.co.uk/culture/exhibitions/frieze-london-2021-art-fair-best-b960418.html

    Absolutely jammed. Visitors from all over the world. Sales pinging.

    London will not be beaten

    Not my thing (Frieze) , but the resurrection of arts etc in London is most welcome. I wonder to what extent the spring (morphically) will visit those areas that have become really dead. Great to wave the London flag even if it looks like Boris on a highwire.
    The Remoaners all said that the London art market would decamp en masse to Paris when Brexit happened. And a couple of galleries did open Paris branches.

    But there has been no exodus, at all. The share of the global art market in each city has remained the same, London has 20%, Paris has 7%. There is no comparison.

    It is possible London will actually grow relative to Paris as Brexit is offering big tax advantages to dealers, even as it complicates the movement of art between the EU and UK

    And the obvious pzazz and va-va-voom of this year's Frieze shows that London is definitely roaring back


    https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2021/10/true-colors-london-frieze-week

    Well that's encouraging. The event itself and the whole art scene is small potatoes, but if it's indicative of the big picture then that's great.
    I firmly believe it is indicative. The art scene is a bellwether for wider cultural/societal/economic changes

    My feeling now is that the death of big cities has been wildly exaggerated. People want to crowd together and gossip and drink and flirt and fuck with other people, new people, exciting people, young people, weird people. You can only do this in cities, and you can only do it brilliantly and extravagantly in great world cities like London

    So the really big cities will be fine. Post pandemic changes will probably hit smaller cities more severely

    Specific to London, the menace of Brexit is also exaggerated. London has a critical mass, and a fundamental attraction: English language, time zone, common law, accumulated wealth, the City, the West End, the culture, and so on, and so forth.

    It will take some knocks from Brexit, but there will also be new opportunities, which is exactly what was predicted by non-hysterical Leavers, and is exactly what is already happening in the art market: Brexit makes it hassly for EU dealers to come to London, with their work, BUT it also makes the London art market potentially more flexible on tax, which could be pretty attractive

    Incidentally, there is a threat to London as a global art capital, but it is from Hong Kong, not anywhere in the EU.

    Hong Kong has eaten up a lot of the business once done in London and NYC, whether that will continue no one knows. Beijing is not helping its own cause. And at the London auctions this week there was, apparently, a notable presence of Asian buyers, spending more than anyone else. So that threat may also prove temporary, or a new equlibirium will be reached where there are three major art centres: NYC, London, Hong Kong

    Finally, some of the best art at Frieze this year is Korean. What is this weird cultural explosion they are having?

    First they took over pop music, now they are doing TV, next contemporary art?!


    There are a couple of points here: I think there are promising signs, but it is too early to declare that Brexit has not had an impact on the cultural scene in London. The pandemic, in combination with the very gradual introduction of restrictions on migration, mean that much has effectively been frozen in place, and what we are seeing now is effectively a release of pent up energy.

    Secondly, I think that cities of whatever size have a lot going for them. The idea that you can live your life going from place to place within 15 minutes on foot, bike or public transport is very attractive. You have access to more social, cultural, leisure opportunities and can get more done in your day. In many ways this is more true in more compact second and third tier cities than London. It is easy to understand the appeal of somewhere like Brighton for this reason, but I was overhearing that the property market is booming in Sheffield, hipsters buying up run down terraces in long neglected areas close to the city centre.

    The way this is all playing out supports my longstanding view that it is the overpriced car dependent dormitory suburbs of the south east that are going to be fucked after Covid.


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    A number of sad anniversaries this week. Pip has already referred to the Aberfan disaster but this week is also the 60th anniversary of the Paris massacres when at least 200 demonstrators were executed by the French police and dumped in the River Seine. What is particularly terrible, apart from the obvious loss of life, is that the French media were complicit in covering up the massacre for almost 40 years.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,178
    IshmaelZ said:

    Aslan said:

    Corporate coal interests have successfully blocked the main climate provision in Biden's plan.

    https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/10/16/manchin-vs-everybody-494729

    The world's climate is fucked. I hate these fossil fuel bastards so much. They will destroy the only planet we have.

    What, like Alderan in Star Wars? Or do you mean the planet will become uninhabitable if the temperature rises a few more degrees, despite the fact that we live from the Sahara to arctic?
    And under water. Moron.
    I assume you consider Waterworld a documentary? Seriously, I’m not a moron. I work in science and have read widely on the area of climate change. Claims of the destruction of the planet deserve to be ridiculed. We should do all we can to preserve the ecosystems and flora and fauna of the world, without resorting to stupid hyperbole.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,164

    IshmaelZ said:

    Aslan said:

    Corporate coal interests have successfully blocked the main climate provision in Biden's plan.

    https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/10/16/manchin-vs-everybody-494729

    The world's climate is fucked. I hate these fossil fuel bastards so much. They will destroy the only planet we have.

    What, like Alderan in Star Wars? Or do you mean the planet will become uninhabitable if the temperature rises a few more degrees, despite the fact that we live from the Sahara to arctic?
    And under water. Moron.
    I assume you consider Waterworld a documentary? Seriously, I’m not a moron. I work in science and have read widely on the area of climate change. Claims of the destruction of the planet deserve to be ridiculed. We should do all we can to preserve the ecosystems and flora and fauna of the world, without resorting to stupid hyperbole.
    Ishmael is just a wind up merchant looking to bait people for replies.

    Worthy of ignoring.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,164

    A number of sad anniversaries this week. Pip has already referred to the Aberfan disaster but this week is also the 60th anniversary of the Paris massacres when at least 200 demonstrators were executed by the French police and dumped in the River Seine. What is particularly terrible, apart from the obvious loss of life, is that the French media were complicit in covering up the massacre for almost 40 years.

    Never heard of it before. Just googled it. Atrocious. Absolutely abominable.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,667
    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Verdict: possibly the best Frieze ever

    The Standard agrees with me

    "Perhaps I’m swayed by the relief of seeing the art world returning to normal, but I can’t remember a better looking Frieze London than this."

    https://www.standard.co.uk/culture/exhibitions/frieze-london-2021-art-fair-best-b960418.html

    Absolutely jammed. Visitors from all over the world. Sales pinging.

    London will not be beaten

    Not my thing (Frieze) , but the resurrection of arts etc in London is most welcome. I wonder to what extent the spring (morphically) will visit those areas that have become really dead. Great to wave the London flag even if it looks like Boris on a highwire.
    The Remoaners all said that the London art market would decamp en masse to Paris when Brexit happened. And a couple of galleries did open Paris branches.

    But there has been no exodus, at all. The share of the global art market in each city has remained the same, London has 20%, Paris has 7%. There is no comparison.

    It is possible London will actually grow relative to Paris as Brexit is offering big tax advantages to dealers, even as it complicates the movement of art between the EU and UK

    And the obvious pzazz and va-va-voom of this year's Frieze shows that London is definitely roaring back


    https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2021/10/true-colors-london-frieze-week

    Well that's encouraging. The event itself and the whole art scene is small potatoes, but if it's indicative of the big picture then that's great.
    I firmly believe it is indicative. The art scene is a bellwether for wider cultural/societal/economic changes

    My feeling now is that the death of big cities has been wildly exaggerated. People want to crowd together and gossip and drink and flirt and fuck with other people, new people, exciting people, young people, weird people. You can only do this in cities, and you can only do it brilliantly and extravagantly in great world cities like London

    So the really big cities will be fine. Post pandemic changes will probably hit smaller cities more severely

    Specific to London, the menace of Brexit is also exaggerated. London has a critical mass, and a fundamental attraction: English language, time zone, culture, common law, accumulated wealth, the City, the West End, the culture, and so on, and so forth.

    It will take some knocks from Brexit, but there will also be new opportunities, which is exactly what was predicted by non-hysterical Leavers, and is exactly what is already happening in the art market: Brexit makes it hassly for EU dealers to come to London, with their work, BUT it also makes the London art market potentially more flexible on tax, which could be pretty attractive

    Incidentally, there is a threat to London as a global art capital, but it is from Hong Kong, not anywhere in the EU.

    Hong Kong has eaten up a lot of the business once done in London and NYC, whether that will continue no one knows. Beijing is not helping its own cause. And at the London auctions this week there was, apparently, a notable presence of Asian buyers, spending more than anyone else. So that threat may also prove temporary, or a new equlibirium will be reached where there are three major art centres: NYC, London, Hong Kong

    Finally, some of the best art at Frieze this year is Korean. What is this weird cultural explosion they are having?

    First they took over pop music, now they are doing TV, next contemporary art?!

    I hope you're right and I share many of these thoughts. Poke about in the lesser visited places in London though. Smithfield for example - it's not right.

    I walk and cycle the streets of our great city. I see great vibrancy as before, but there are real holes.

    I do get about quite a lot, and I do see some sad sights still

    Smithfield has been fucked for years tho, hasn't it? Even before Covid it was in swift decline, the meat market shut and the concert hall cancelled, and the nightlife/restaurant/bar scene shifted in toto from St John St to Shoreditch

    I am much more optimistic about Camden than I was. I remember posting on here in late Spring about a walk from Highgate to Primrose Hill in the evening when it was positively dystopian. Horrible. So many places closed, with no sign of reopening

    Even 2 months ago much of the area around the market was grim.

    Now 90% of places have reopened or have been taken over by new business. Which is great to see

    I haven't been to Canary Wharf. I do wonder how they are doing there
    Is the Museum of London still planning to move into the old Smithfield market hall?
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,599

    On the last rights question as Amess was stabbed 17 times and the paramedics had battled to save him isn’t “the nature of the scene” code for “it was a bloodbath”?

    Having seen enough resuscitation from major trauma, I would be astonished if he was conscious for long. It is a messy business.

    I am no Catholic, but my understanding of God is that He isn't a stickler for the paperwork.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,775
    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Verdict: possibly the best Frieze ever

    The Standard agrees with me

    "Perhaps I’m swayed by the relief of seeing the art world returning to normal, but I can’t remember a better looking Frieze London than this."

    https://www.standard.co.uk/culture/exhibitions/frieze-london-2021-art-fair-best-b960418.html

    Absolutely jammed. Visitors from all over the world. Sales pinging.

    London will not be beaten

    Not my thing (Frieze) , but the resurrection of arts etc in London is most welcome. I wonder to what extent the spring (morphically) will visit those areas that have become really dead. Great to wave the London flag even if it looks like Boris on a highwire.
    The Remoaners all said that the London art market would decamp en masse to Paris when Brexit happened. And a couple of galleries did open Paris branches.

    But there has been no exodus, at all. The share of the global art market in each city has remained the same, London has 20%, Paris has 7%. There is no comparison.

    It is possible London will actually grow relative to Paris as Brexit is offering big tax advantages to dealers, even as it complicates the movement of art between the EU and UK

    And the obvious pzazz and va-va-voom of this year's Frieze shows that London is definitely roaring back


    https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2021/10/true-colors-london-frieze-week

    Well that's encouraging. The event itself and the whole art scene is small potatoes, but if it's indicative of the big picture then that's great.
    I firmly believe it is indicative. The art scene is a bellwether for wider cultural/societal/economic changes

    My feeling now is that the death of big cities has been wildly exaggerated. People want to crowd together and gossip and drink and flirt and fuck with other people, new people, exciting people, young people, weird people. You can only do this in cities, and you can only do it brilliantly and extravagantly in great world cities like London

    So the really big cities will be fine. Post pandemic changes will probably hit smaller cities more severely

    Specific to London, the menace of Brexit is also exaggerated. London has a critical mass, and a fundamental attraction: English language, time zone, culture, common law, accumulated wealth, the City, the West End, the culture, and so on, and so forth.

    It will take some knocks from Brexit, but there will also be new opportunities, which is exactly what was predicted by non-hysterical Leavers, and is exactly what is already happening in the art market: Brexit makes it hassly for EU dealers to come to London, with their work, BUT it also makes the London art market potentially more flexible on tax, which could be pretty attractive

    Incidentally, there is a threat to London as a global art capital, but it is from Hong Kong, not anywhere in the EU.

    Hong Kong has eaten up a lot of the business once done in London and NYC, whether that will continue no one knows. Beijing is not helping its own cause. And at the London auctions this week there was, apparently, a notable presence of Asian buyers, spending more than anyone else. So that threat may also prove temporary, or a new equlibirium will be reached where there are three major art centres: NYC, London, Hong Kong

    Finally, some of the best art at Frieze this year is Korean. What is this weird cultural explosion they are having?

    First they took over pop music, now they are doing TV, next contemporary art?!

    I hope you're right and I share many of these thoughts. Poke about in the lesser visited places in London though. Smithfield for example - it's not right.

    I walk and cycle the streets of our great city. I see great vibrancy as before, but there are real holes.

    I do get about quite a lot, and I do see some sad sights still

    Smithfield has been fucked for years tho, hasn't it? Even before Covid it was in swift decline, the meat market shut and the concert hall cancelled, and the nightlife/restaurant/bar scene shifted in toto from St John St to Shoreditch

    I am much more optimistic about Camden than I was. I remember posting on here in late Spring about a walk from Highgate to Primrose Hill in the evening when it was positively dystopian. Horrible. So many places closed, with no sign of reopening

    Even 2 months ago much of the area around the market was grim.

    Now 90% of places have reopened or have been taken over by new business. Which is great to see

    I haven't been to Canary Wharf. I do wonder how they are doing there
    I did a bit of a tour on my bicycle to Rotherhithe, Southwark and Greenwich. I think they're fine.

    It is the Bloomsbury's that worry me. Bayswater is dieing too, but then I think that's been on the cards for a while.

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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,131
    darkage said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Verdict: possibly the best Frieze ever

    The Standard agrees with me

    "Perhaps I’m swayed by the relief of seeing the art world returning to normal, but I can’t remember a better looking Frieze London than this."

    https://www.standard.co.uk/culture/exhibitions/frieze-london-2021-art-fair-best-b960418.html

    Absolutely jammed. Visitors from all over the world. Sales pinging.

    London will not be beaten

    Not my thing (Frieze) , but the resurrection of arts etc in London is most welcome. I wonder to what extent the spring (morphically) will visit those areas that have become really dead. Great to wave the London flag even if it looks like Boris on a highwire.
    The Remoaners all said that the London art market would decamp en masse to Paris when Brexit happened. And a couple of galleries did open Paris branches.

    But there has been no exodus, at all. The share of the global art market in each city has remained the same, London has 20%, Paris has 7%. There is no comparison.

    It is possible London will actually grow relative to Paris as Brexit is offering big tax advantages to dealers, even as it complicates the movement of art between the EU and UK

    And the obvious pzazz and va-va-voom of this year's Frieze shows that London is definitely roaring back


    https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2021/10/true-colors-london-frieze-week

    Well that's encouraging. The event itself and the whole art scene is small potatoes, but if it's indicative of the big picture then that's great.
    I firmly believe it is indicative. The art scene is a bellwether for wider cultural/societal/economic changes

    My feeling now is that the death of big cities has been wildly exaggerated. People want to crowd together and gossip and drink and flirt and fuck with other people, new people, exciting people, young people, weird people. You can only do this in cities, and you can only do it brilliantly and extravagantly in great world cities like London

    So the really big cities will be fine. Post pandemic changes will probably hit smaller cities more severely

    Specific to London, the menace of Brexit is also exaggerated. London has a critical mass, and a fundamental attraction: English language, time zone, common law, accumulated wealth, the City, the West End, the culture, and so on, and so forth.

    It will take some knocks from Brexit, but there will also be new opportunities, which is exactly what was predicted by non-hysterical Leavers, and is exactly what is already happening in the art market: Brexit makes it hassly for EU dealers to come to London, with their work, BUT it also makes the London art market potentially more flexible on tax, which could be pretty attractive

    Incidentally, there is a threat to London as a global art capital, but it is from Hong Kong, not anywhere in the EU.

    Hong Kong has eaten up a lot of the business once done in London and NYC, whether that will continue no one knows. Beijing is not helping its own cause. And at the London auctions this week there was, apparently, a notable presence of Asian buyers, spending more than anyone else. So that threat may also prove temporary, or a new equlibirium will be reached where there are three major art centres: NYC, London, Hong Kong

    Finally, some of the best art at Frieze this year is Korean. What is this weird cultural explosion they are having?

    First they took over pop music, now they are doing TV, next contemporary art?!


    There are a couple of points here: I think there are promising signs, but it is too early to declare that Brexit has not had an impact on the cultural scene in London. The pandemic, in combination with the very gradual introduction of restrictions on migration, mean that much has effectively been frozen in place, and what we are seeing now is effectively a release of pent up energy.

    Secondly, I think that cities of whatever size have a lot going for them. The idea that you can live your life going from place to place within 15 minutes on foot, bike or public transport is very attractive. You have access to more social, cultural, leisure opportunities and can get more done in your day. In many ways this is more true in more compact second and third tier cities than London. It is easy to understand the appeal of somewhere like Brighton for this reason, but I was overhearing that the property market is booming in Sheffield, hipsters buying up run down terraces in long neglected areas close to the city centre.

    The way this is all playing out supports my longstanding view that it is the overpriced car dependent dormitory suburbs of the south east that are going to be fucked after Covid.


    Mebbes

    Brexit will do good and bad things. That is all we can say! So far the bad is not as bad as the worst predictions
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Taz said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Aslan said:

    Corporate coal interests have successfully blocked the main climate provision in Biden's plan.

    https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/10/16/manchin-vs-everybody-494729

    The world's climate is fucked. I hate these fossil fuel bastards so much. They will destroy the only planet we have.

    What, like Alderan in Star Wars? Or do you mean the planet will become uninhabitable if the temperature rises a few more degrees, despite the fact that we live from the Sahara to arctic?
    And under water. Moron.
    I assume you consider Waterworld a documentary? Seriously, I’m not a moron. I work in science and have read widely on the area of climate change. Claims of the destruction of the planet deserve to be ridiculed. We should do all we can to preserve the ecosystems and flora and fauna of the world, without resorting to stupid hyperbole.
    Ishmael is just a wind up merchant looking to bait people for replies.

    Worthy of ignoring.
    Yes, I handed you your arse about something or other the other day. The details escape me, but carry on with your quixotic quest to say something interesting on here. Or anywhere else, I'm guessing.
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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,150
    From earlier on this thread: "David was very keen on Christianity .. "
    . Jeez oh jeez.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,131
    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Verdict: possibly the best Frieze ever

    The Standard agrees with me

    "Perhaps I’m swayed by the relief of seeing the art world returning to normal, but I can’t remember a better looking Frieze London than this."

    https://www.standard.co.uk/culture/exhibitions/frieze-london-2021-art-fair-best-b960418.html

    Absolutely jammed. Visitors from all over the world. Sales pinging.

    London will not be beaten

    Not my thing (Frieze) , but the resurrection of arts etc in London is most welcome. I wonder to what extent the spring (morphically) will visit those areas that have become really dead. Great to wave the London flag even if it looks like Boris on a highwire.
    The Remoaners all said that the London art market would decamp en masse to Paris when Brexit happened. And a couple of galleries did open Paris branches.

    But there has been no exodus, at all. The share of the global art market in each city has remained the same, London has 20%, Paris has 7%. There is no comparison.

    It is possible London will actually grow relative to Paris as Brexit is offering big tax advantages to dealers, even as it complicates the movement of art between the EU and UK

    And the obvious pzazz and va-va-voom of this year's Frieze shows that London is definitely roaring back


    https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2021/10/true-colors-london-frieze-week

    Well that's encouraging. The event itself and the whole art scene is small potatoes, but if it's indicative of the big picture then that's great.
    I firmly believe it is indicative. The art scene is a bellwether for wider cultural/societal/economic changes

    My feeling now is that the death of big cities has been wildly exaggerated. People want to crowd together and gossip and drink and flirt and fuck with other people, new people, exciting people, young people, weird people. You can only do this in cities, and you can only do it brilliantly and extravagantly in great world cities like London

    So the really big cities will be fine. Post pandemic changes will probably hit smaller cities more severely

    Specific to London, the menace of Brexit is also exaggerated. London has a critical mass, and a fundamental attraction: English language, time zone, culture, common law, accumulated wealth, the City, the West End, the culture, and so on, and so forth.

    It will take some knocks from Brexit, but there will also be new opportunities, which is exactly what was predicted by non-hysterical Leavers, and is exactly what is already happening in the art market: Brexit makes it hassly for EU dealers to come to London, with their work, BUT it also makes the London art market potentially more flexible on tax, which could be pretty attractive

    Incidentally, there is a threat to London as a global art capital, but it is from Hong Kong, not anywhere in the EU.

    Hong Kong has eaten up a lot of the business once done in London and NYC, whether that will continue no one knows. Beijing is not helping its own cause. And at the London auctions this week there was, apparently, a notable presence of Asian buyers, spending more than anyone else. So that threat may also prove temporary, or a new equlibirium will be reached where there are three major art centres: NYC, London, Hong Kong

    Finally, some of the best art at Frieze this year is Korean. What is this weird cultural explosion they are having?

    First they took over pop music, now they are doing TV, next contemporary art?!

    I hope you're right and I share many of these thoughts. Poke about in the lesser visited places in London though. Smithfield for example - it's not right.

    I walk and cycle the streets of our great city. I see great vibrancy as before, but there are real holes.

    I do get about quite a lot, and I do see some sad sights still

    Smithfield has been fucked for years tho, hasn't it? Even before Covid it was in swift decline, the meat market shut and the concert hall cancelled, and the nightlife/restaurant/bar scene shifted in toto from St John St to Shoreditch

    I am much more optimistic about Camden than I was. I remember posting on here in late Spring about a walk from Highgate to Primrose Hill in the evening when it was positively dystopian. Horrible. So many places closed, with no sign of reopening

    Even 2 months ago much of the area around the market was grim.

    Now 90% of places have reopened or have been taken over by new business. Which is great to see

    I haven't been to Canary Wharf. I do wonder how they are doing there
    I did a bit of a tour on my bicycle to Rotherhithe, Southwark and Greenwich. I think they're fine.

    It is the Bloomsbury's that worry me. Bayswater is dieing too, but then I think that's been on the cards for a while.

    Yes, Bloomsbury looked rubbish the last time I was there. About 90% of the Brunswick Centre - once throbbing and lively - was shuttered. Awful

    However I am hopeful that now the students are back - and they are definitely back - that might be reversed?

    Haven't been to Bayswater, yes it was in a bad way before - and Covid may have pushed it further downhill...
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,164
    IshmaelZ said:

    Taz said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Aslan said:

    Corporate coal interests have successfully blocked the main climate provision in Biden's plan.

    https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/10/16/manchin-vs-everybody-494729

    The world's climate is fucked. I hate these fossil fuel bastards so much. They will destroy the only planet we have.

    What, like Alderan in Star Wars? Or do you mean the planet will become uninhabitable if the temperature rises a few more degrees, despite the fact that we live from the Sahara to arctic?
    And under water. Moron.
    I assume you consider Waterworld a documentary? Seriously, I’m not a moron. I work in science and have read widely on the area of climate change. Claims of the destruction of the planet deserve to be ridiculed. We should do all we can to preserve the ecosystems and flora and fauna of the world, without resorting to stupid hyperbole.
    Ishmael is just a wind up merchant looking to bait people for replies.

    Worthy of ignoring.
    Yes, I handed you your arse about something or other the other day. The details escape me, but carry on with your quixotic quest to say something interesting on here. Or anywhere else, I'm guessing.
    You handed me nothing. Arse or otherwise. But dream on. Back to ignoring you.
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,562
    edited October 2021
    Re: US time zones, they often affect the closing hour for voting locations, and also the reporting schedule for election results.

    Perhaps most famous instance was in on Election Night 1980, when Jimmy Carter conceded to Ronald Reagan in the presidential race, while polls were still open on the West Coast. When the news hit the airwaves (the way major news was announced back in those bygone days) many people waiting in line to vote in California & other Pacific States left and went home (or wherever) without casting a ballot.

    Which had zero affect on the race for the White House but DID impact the results in a number of close US House races in the Great Bear Republic. To the detriment of the Democrats and the joy of the GOP.

    Just before Carter conceded that night, US House Speaker Tip O'Neill (D-Mass) caught wind of it, and called the White House urging that the President hold his concession until AFTER the polls closed out West. But Carter's chief of staff, Hamilton Jordan, turned him down flat.

    Now nearly four years before, in January 1977, O'Neill had requested a few extra tickets to Carter's inauguration for members of his immediate family. A request that Jordan also refused, being determined to snub the Speaker as a symbol of the disdain of the incoming "Georgia mafia" for the Beltway establishment. Which the 1978 midterms demonstrated, and the 1980 election confirmed, was NOT a smart political strategy in the long run.

    On that fateful night in 1980, Tip O'Neill ended his call with Hamilton Jordan with the following (fair) comment:

    "You were assholes coming in, and you're still assholes going out."
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,131

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Verdict: possibly the best Frieze ever

    The Standard agrees with me

    "Perhaps I’m swayed by the relief of seeing the art world returning to normal, but I can’t remember a better looking Frieze London than this."

    https://www.standard.co.uk/culture/exhibitions/frieze-london-2021-art-fair-best-b960418.html

    Absolutely jammed. Visitors from all over the world. Sales pinging.

    London will not be beaten

    Not my thing (Frieze) , but the resurrection of arts etc in London is most welcome. I wonder to what extent the spring (morphically) will visit those areas that have become really dead. Great to wave the London flag even if it looks like Boris on a highwire.
    The Remoaners all said that the London art market would decamp en masse to Paris when Brexit happened. And a couple of galleries did open Paris branches.

    But there has been no exodus, at all. The share of the global art market in each city has remained the same, London has 20%, Paris has 7%. There is no comparison.

    It is possible London will actually grow relative to Paris as Brexit is offering big tax advantages to dealers, even as it complicates the movement of art between the EU and UK

    And the obvious pzazz and va-va-voom of this year's Frieze shows that London is definitely roaring back


    https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2021/10/true-colors-london-frieze-week

    Well that's encouraging. The event itself and the whole art scene is small potatoes, but if it's indicative of the big picture then that's great.
    I firmly believe it is indicative. The art scene is a bellwether for wider cultural/societal/economic changes

    My feeling now is that the death of big cities has been wildly exaggerated. People want to crowd together and gossip and drink and flirt and fuck with other people, new people, exciting people, young people, weird people. You can only do this in cities, and you can only do it brilliantly and extravagantly in great world cities like London

    So the really big cities will be fine. Post pandemic changes will probably hit smaller cities more severely

    Specific to London, the menace of Brexit is also exaggerated. London has a critical mass, and a fundamental attraction: English language, time zone, culture, common law, accumulated wealth, the City, the West End, the culture, and so on, and so forth.

    It will take some knocks from Brexit, but there will also be new opportunities, which is exactly what was predicted by non-hysterical Leavers, and is exactly what is already happening in the art market: Brexit makes it hassly for EU dealers to come to London, with their work, BUT it also makes the London art market potentially more flexible on tax, which could be pretty attractive

    Incidentally, there is a threat to London as a global art capital, but it is from Hong Kong, not anywhere in the EU.

    Hong Kong has eaten up a lot of the business once done in London and NYC, whether that will continue no one knows. Beijing is not helping its own cause. And at the London auctions this week there was, apparently, a notable presence of Asian buyers, spending more than anyone else. So that threat may also prove temporary, or a new equlibirium will be reached where there are three major art centres: NYC, London, Hong Kong

    Finally, some of the best art at Frieze this year is Korean. What is this weird cultural explosion they are having?

    First they took over pop music, now they are doing TV, next contemporary art?!

    I hope you're right and I share many of these thoughts. Poke about in the lesser visited places in London though. Smithfield for example - it's not right.

    I walk and cycle the streets of our great city. I see great vibrancy as before, but there are real holes.

    I do get about quite a lot, and I do see some sad sights still

    Smithfield has been fucked for years tho, hasn't it? Even before Covid it was in swift decline, the meat market shut and the concert hall cancelled, and the nightlife/restaurant/bar scene shifted in toto from St John St to Shoreditch

    I am much more optimistic about Camden than I was. I remember posting on here in late Spring about a walk from Highgate to Primrose Hill in the evening when it was positively dystopian. Horrible. So many places closed, with no sign of reopening

    Even 2 months ago much of the area around the market was grim.

    Now 90% of places have reopened or have been taken over by new business. Which is great to see

    I haven't been to Canary Wharf. I do wonder how they are doing there
    Is the Museum of London still planning to move into the old Smithfield market hall?
    I believe so. The renders look excellent. They need to get a wiggle on
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    Aslan said:

    Corporate coal interests have successfully blocked the main climate provision in Biden's plan.

    https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/10/16/manchin-vs-everybody-494729

    The world's climate is fucked. I hate these fossil fuel bastards so much. They will destroy the only planet we have.

    What, like Alderan in Star Wars? Or do you mean the planet will become uninhabitable if the temperature rises a few more degrees, despite the fact that we live from the Sahara to arctic?
    And under water. Moron.
    I assume you consider Waterworld a documentary? Seriously, I’m not a moron. I work in science and have read widely on the area of climate change. Claims of the destruction of the planet deserve to be ridiculed. We should do all we can to preserve the ecosystems and flora and fauna of the world, without resorting to stupid hyperbole.
    I'm guessing you don't work very hard in science if you think Hey, we live in really hot and cold places already is a serious argument. No, waterworld is not a documentary, and the hundreds of millions of people who are going to have their lives disrupted by rising sea levels are mainly brown and foreign, so your joke is especially apposite and amusing.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Taz said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Taz said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Aslan said:

    Corporate coal interests have successfully blocked the main climate provision in Biden's plan.

    https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/10/16/manchin-vs-everybody-494729

    The world's climate is fucked. I hate these fossil fuel bastards so much. They will destroy the only planet we have.

    What, like Alderan in Star Wars? Or do you mean the planet will become uninhabitable if the temperature rises a few more degrees, despite the fact that we live from the Sahara to arctic?
    And under water. Moron.
    I assume you consider Waterworld a documentary? Seriously, I’m not a moron. I work in science and have read widely on the area of climate change. Claims of the destruction of the planet deserve to be ridiculed. We should do all we can to preserve the ecosystems and flora and fauna of the world, without resorting to stupid hyperbole.
    Ishmael is just a wind up merchant looking to bait people for replies.

    Worthy of ignoring.
    Yes, I handed you your arse about something or other the other day. The details escape me, but carry on with your quixotic quest to say something interesting on here. Or anywhere else, I'm guessing.
    You handed me nothing. Arse or otherwise. But dream on. Back to ignoring you.
    Good save.
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    glwglw Posts: 9,549

    Senior Labour figure who knew Sir David Amess “pretty well” gets in touch to propose that Opposition parties should give Tories “a free run” & not stand in Southend West by-election.

    https://twitter.com/joncraig/status/1449428240121073667?s=21

    It is probably well intentioned but I totally disagree with that. All elections should be properly contested otherwise you create an incentive to change how elections are held. Now admittedly it's incredibly unlikely that someone would resort to violence to bring about an uncontested election, more likely they would want to elminate someone and create an opportunity for an opponent, but the principle should be upheld that elections are contested, and that changes are never made to how an election is held in response to threats or actual violence.
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    Weekend special of Etymology Etcetera is on the English words from Latin gerunds and gerundives.

    Obviously on Political Betting we have to start with 'referendum' - this is the gerundive of referre, to bring back or reconsider. So literally 'thing to be brought back'

    I have in an earlier post mentioned propaganda, the gerundive of propagare, to spread. So it means 'things to be spread'.

    I think we should have a special political mention for agenda - the gerundive of agere, to act or do, so 'things to be done'. The reason for the political mention is for those who remember Yes Minister's Bernard teaching us that 'if there's only one thing on the agenda, then it's an agendum'

    On a very similar note we have hacienda. This is a Spanish derivation of the Latin facienda, the gerundive of facere - to do or make. So a hacienda is basically a load of work to be done!

    I like the etymology of innuendo; it literally means 'thing nodded in', from in- + nuero, I nod. Addendum, thing to be added and memorandum, thing to be remembered are rather more obvious ones.

    On a more controversial, fig related, note we have pudenda. I believe that it was originally meant as the genitals of either gender, but has definitely become far more associated with the lady bits. It is the gerundive of pudere - to be ashamed or cause shame, so literally things to cause shame or be ashamed of!

    On a nicer girl related note, we have the names Amanda and Miranda. Amanda is the the gerundive of amare, to love, so female to be loved. Miranda, actually an invention by Will Shakespeare, is the gerundive of mirare to admire, so female to be admired.

    We have some other words that are derived from gerundives, but have lost their ending. 'legend' is from the gerundive of legere - to read, so thing to be read. 'dividend' is a thing to be divided (and older readers may remember it from maths as the opposite of a 'multiplicand')

    The recently mentioned crescendo is from the Latin crescendus - to be increased. 'diminuendo' is its opposite. An interesting musical term is 'glissando', which is literally 'to be slid'. This wasn't a Latin word; it came to Italian from the middle French glisser, which came via Frankish from proto Germanic glidana, to glide or slide.

    The rather archaic word 'viand' which means thing to eat, or probably better know as meat in French, is from vivandi - to be lived, like in modus vivandi. A well hidden one is laundry, from lavandarius and lavanda, “things to be washed"

    And I'll (finally!) finish with QED - quod erat demonstrandum - which was to be demonstrated.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,653
    I understand the Liberal Democrats will also not be standing in the Southend West by-election that will follow Sir David Amess' death. Labour sources are saying the same.

    https://twitter.com/Tony_Diver/status/1449438930516971531?s=20
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,923

    IshmaelZ said:

    Aslan said:

    Corporate coal interests have successfully blocked the main climate provision in Biden's plan.

    https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/10/16/manchin-vs-everybody-494729

    The world's climate is fucked. I hate these fossil fuel bastards so much. They will destroy the only planet we have.

    What, like Alderan in Star Wars? Or do you mean the planet will become uninhabitable if the temperature rises a few more degrees, despite the fact that we live from the Sahara to arctic?
    And under water. Moron.
    Except it won't. Moron.

    Bits of it will be but only a fraction more than already is. And will be again in the future no matter what we do about CO2.
    The under water thing is interesting. I studied Earth Science back in the early 80s and we were told to expect significant eustatic sea level rises in the following decade. Most of the examples given by journalists are actually isostatic (localised) changes, not due to global sea level rises but local geological movement (eg southern Egland)
    I think there is pretty clear evidence of some eustatic changes these days. It is no where near as bad as was predicted but it is there and there is nothing to say it won't increase in rate as things get warmer.

    The problem we have - which is what I was referring to in my snapped reply to IshmaelZ - is that even if we do all the net zero stuff and stop any man made influence on the climate it probably won't make a blind bit of difference. Natural variation will result in much higher sea levels and we have put ourselves in the very poor position of having 10% of the world's population living within 10m of sealevel and almost half living within 30m. When sealevels rise - as they inevitably will - those people are screwed.

    Of course England, just like poor old New Orleans, has the additional problem of isostatic change so they are sinking even if sealevel doesn't change. Malc will be okay though up in Scotland.

    I have spent the day teaching the evidence for climate change in the geological record to leaders of the branches of the Young Archaeologist Club from across England so this is all nice and fresh in my mind.
    A bonus at last for living here , though I may not be around by then.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,667
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Verdict: possibly the best Frieze ever

    The Standard agrees with me

    "Perhaps I’m swayed by the relief of seeing the art world returning to normal, but I can’t remember a better looking Frieze London than this."

    https://www.standard.co.uk/culture/exhibitions/frieze-london-2021-art-fair-best-b960418.html

    Absolutely jammed. Visitors from all over the world. Sales pinging.

    London will not be beaten

    Not my thing (Frieze) , but the resurrection of arts etc in London is most welcome. I wonder to what extent the spring (morphically) will visit those areas that have become really dead. Great to wave the London flag even if it looks like Boris on a highwire.
    The Remoaners all said that the London art market would decamp en masse to Paris when Brexit happened. And a couple of galleries did open Paris branches.

    But there has been no exodus, at all. The share of the global art market in each city has remained the same, London has 20%, Paris has 7%. There is no comparison.

    It is possible London will actually grow relative to Paris as Brexit is offering big tax advantages to dealers, even as it complicates the movement of art between the EU and UK

    And the obvious pzazz and va-va-voom of this year's Frieze shows that London is definitely roaring back


    https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2021/10/true-colors-london-frieze-week

    Well that's encouraging. The event itself and the whole art scene is small potatoes, but if it's indicative of the big picture then that's great.
    I firmly believe it is indicative. The art scene is a bellwether for wider cultural/societal/economic changes

    My feeling now is that the death of big cities has been wildly exaggerated. People want to crowd together and gossip and drink and flirt and fuck with other people, new people, exciting people, young people, weird people. You can only do this in cities, and you can only do it brilliantly and extravagantly in great world cities like London

    So the really big cities will be fine. Post pandemic changes will probably hit smaller cities more severely

    Specific to London, the menace of Brexit is also exaggerated. London has a critical mass, and a fundamental attraction: English language, time zone, culture, common law, accumulated wealth, the City, the West End, the culture, and so on, and so forth.

    It will take some knocks from Brexit, but there will also be new opportunities, which is exactly what was predicted by non-hysterical Leavers, and is exactly what is already happening in the art market: Brexit makes it hassly for EU dealers to come to London, with their work, BUT it also makes the London art market potentially more flexible on tax, which could be pretty attractive

    Incidentally, there is a threat to London as a global art capital, but it is from Hong Kong, not anywhere in the EU.

    Hong Kong has eaten up a lot of the business once done in London and NYC, whether that will continue no one knows. Beijing is not helping its own cause. And at the London auctions this week there was, apparently, a notable presence of Asian buyers, spending more than anyone else. So that threat may also prove temporary, or a new equlibirium will be reached where there are three major art centres: NYC, London, Hong Kong

    Finally, some of the best art at Frieze this year is Korean. What is this weird cultural explosion they are having?

    First they took over pop music, now they are doing TV, next contemporary art?!

    I hope you're right and I share many of these thoughts. Poke about in the lesser visited places in London though. Smithfield for example - it's not right.

    I walk and cycle the streets of our great city. I see great vibrancy as before, but there are real holes.

    I do get about quite a lot, and I do see some sad sights still

    Smithfield has been fucked for years tho, hasn't it? Even before Covid it was in swift decline, the meat market shut and the concert hall cancelled, and the nightlife/restaurant/bar scene shifted in toto from St John St to Shoreditch

    I am much more optimistic about Camden than I was. I remember posting on here in late Spring about a walk from Highgate to Primrose Hill in the evening when it was positively dystopian. Horrible. So many places closed, with no sign of reopening

    Even 2 months ago much of the area around the market was grim.

    Now 90% of places have reopened or have been taken over by new business. Which is great to see

    I haven't been to Canary Wharf. I do wonder how they are doing there
    Is the Museum of London still planning to move into the old Smithfield market hall?
    I believe so. The renders look excellent. They need to get a wiggle on
    Might liven the area back up a bit once done. A bigger MoL could be a big draw for tourists.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,923
    Thanks to everyone for their kind wishes. I will toast your good health with a nice red tonight.
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    JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,215
    No change with Opinium as Tories hold 4% lead.

    Con 41 (+2)
    Lab 37 (+2)
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,775

    Weekend special of Etymology Etcetera is on the English words from Latin gerunds and gerundives.

    Obviously on Political Betting we have to start with 'referendum' - this is the gerundive of referre, to bring back or reconsider. So literally 'thing to be brought back'

    I have in an earlier post mentioned propaganda, the gerundive of propagare, to spread. So it means 'things to be spread'.

    I think we should have a special political mention for agenda - the gerundive of agere, to act or do, so 'things to be done'. The reason for the political mention is for those who remember Yes Minister's Bernard teaching us that 'if there's only one thing on the agenda, then it's an agendum'

    On a very similar note we have hacienda. This is a Spanish derivation of the Latin facienda, the gerundive of facere - to do or make. So a hacienda is basically a load of work to be done!

    I like the etymology of innuendo; it literally means 'thing nodded in', from in- + nuero, I nod. Addendum, thing to be added and memorandum, thing to be remembered are rather more obvious ones.

    On a more controversial, fig related, note we have pudenda. I believe that it was originally meant as the genitals of either gender, but has definitely become far more associated with the lady bits. It is the gerundive of pudere - to be ashamed or cause shame, so literally things to cause shame or be ashamed of!

    On a nicer girl related note, we have the names Amanda and Miranda. Amanda is the the gerundive of amare, to love, so female to be loved. Miranda, actually an invention by Will Shakespeare, is the gerundive of mirare to admire, so female to be admired.

    We have some other words that are derived from gerundives, but have lost their ending. 'legend' is from the gerundive of legere - to read, so thing to be read. 'dividend' is a thing to be divided (and older readers may remember it from maths as the opposite of a 'multiplicand')

    The recently mentioned crescendo is from the Latin crescendus - to be increased. 'diminuendo' is its opposite. An interesting musical term is 'glissando', which is literally 'to be slid'. This wasn't a Latin word; it came to Italian from the middle French glisser, which came via Frankish from proto Germanic glidana, to glide or slide.

    The rather archaic word 'viand' which means thing to eat, or probably better know as meat in French, is from vivandi - to be lived, like in modus vivandi. A well hidden one is laundry, from lavandarius and lavanda, “things to be washed"

    And I'll (finally!) finish with QED - quod erat demonstrandum - which was to be demonstrated.

    A great post. I'd always thought that QED was 'as we have demonstrated'. Maths is in a sorry state if all of the proofs that sign off with QED are still to be demonstrated.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,599
    darkage said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Verdict: possibly the best Frieze ever

    The Standard agrees with me

    "Perhaps I’m swayed by the relief of seeing the art world returning to normal, but I can’t remember a better looking Frieze London than this."

    https://www.standard.co.uk/culture/exhibitions/frieze-london-2021-art-fair-best-b960418.html

    Absolutely jammed. Visitors from all over the world. Sales pinging.

    London will not be beaten

    Not my thing (Frieze) , but the resurrection of arts etc in London is most welcome. I wonder to what extent the spring (morphically) will visit those areas that have become really dead. Great to wave the London flag even if it looks like Boris on a highwire.
    The Remoaners all said that the London art market would decamp en masse to Paris when Brexit happened. And a couple of galleries did open Paris branches.

    But there has been no exodus, at all. The share of the global art market in each city has remained the same, London has 20%, Paris has 7%. There is no comparison.

    It is possible London will actually grow relative to Paris as Brexit is offering big tax advantages to dealers, even as it complicates the movement of art between the EU and UK

    And the obvious pzazz and va-va-voom of this year's Frieze shows that London is definitely roaring back


    https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2021/10/true-colors-london-frieze-week

    Well that's encouraging. The event itself and the whole art scene is small potatoes, but if it's indicative of the big picture then that's great.
    I firmly believe it is indicative. The art scene is a bellwether for wider cultural/societal/economic changes

    My feeling now is that the death of big cities has been wildly exaggerated. People want to crowd together and gossip and drink and flirt and fuck with other people, new people, exciting people, young people, weird people. You can only do this in cities, and you can only do it brilliantly and extravagantly in great world cities like London

    So the really big cities will be fine. Post pandemic changes will probably hit smaller cities more severely

    Specific to London, the menace of Brexit is also exaggerated. London has a critical mass, and a fundamental attraction: English language, time zone, common law, accumulated wealth, the City, the West End, the culture, and so on, and so forth.

    It will take some knocks from Brexit, but there will also be new opportunities, which is exactly what was predicted by non-hysterical Leavers, and is exactly what is already happening in the art market: Brexit makes it hassly for EU dealers to come to London, with their work, BUT it also makes the London art market potentially more flexible on tax, which could be pretty attractive

    Incidentally, there is a threat to London as a global art capital, but it is from Hong Kong, not anywhere in the EU.

    Hong Kong has eaten up a lot of the business once done in London and NYC, whether that will continue no one knows. Beijing is not helping its own cause. And at the London auctions this week there was, apparently, a notable presence of Asian buyers, spending more than anyone else. So that threat may also prove temporary, or a new equlibirium will be reached where there are three major art centres: NYC, London, Hong Kong

    Finally, some of the best art at Frieze this year is Korean. What is this weird cultural explosion they are having?

    First they took over pop music, now they are doing TV, next contemporary art?!


    There are a couple of points here: I think there are promising signs, but it is too early to declare that Brexit has not had an impact on the cultural scene in London. The pandemic, in combination with the very gradual introduction of restrictions on migration, mean that much has effectively been frozen in place, and what we are seeing now is effectively a release of pent up energy.

    Secondly, I think that cities of whatever size have a lot going for them. The idea that you can live your life going from place to place within 15 minutes on foot, bike or public transport is very attractive. You have access to more social, cultural, leisure opportunities and can get more done in your day. In many ways this is more true in more compact second and third tier cities than London. It is easy to understand the appeal of somewhere like Brighton for this reason, but I was overhearing that the property market is booming in Sheffield, hipsters buying up run down terraces in long neglected areas close to the city centre.

    The way this is all playing out supports my longstanding view that it is the overpriced car dependent dormitory suburbs of the south east that are going to be fucked after Covid.


    I think that one of the great paradoxes of Brexit will be increasing the cultural space between Leaverstan and Remania.

    The places that will thrive in the new arrangement will be led by the dynamics of the cutting edge in metropolitan salons, not workings men's clubs in small coalfield towns.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,667
    malcolmg said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Aslan said:

    Corporate coal interests have successfully blocked the main climate provision in Biden's plan.

    https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/10/16/manchin-vs-everybody-494729

    The world's climate is fucked. I hate these fossil fuel bastards so much. They will destroy the only planet we have.

    What, like Alderan in Star Wars? Or do you mean the planet will become uninhabitable if the temperature rises a few more degrees, despite the fact that we live from the Sahara to arctic?
    And under water. Moron.
    Except it won't. Moron.

    Bits of it will be but only a fraction more than already is. And will be again in the future no matter what we do about CO2.
    The under water thing is interesting. I studied Earth Science back in the early 80s and we were told to expect significant eustatic sea level rises in the following decade. Most of the examples given by journalists are actually isostatic (localised) changes, not due to global sea level rises but local geological movement (eg southern Egland)
    I think there is pretty clear evidence of some eustatic changes these days. It is no where near as bad as was predicted but it is there and there is nothing to say it won't increase in rate as things get warmer.

    The problem we have - which is what I was referring to in my snapped reply to IshmaelZ - is that even if we do all the net zero stuff and stop any man made influence on the climate it probably won't make a blind bit of difference. Natural variation will result in much higher sea levels and we have put ourselves in the very poor position of having 10% of the world's population living within 10m of sealevel and almost half living within 30m. When sealevels rise - as they inevitably will - those people are screwed.

    Of course England, just like poor old New Orleans, has the additional problem of isostatic change so they are sinking even if sealevel doesn't change. Malc will be okay though up in Scotland.

    I have spent the day teaching the evidence for climate change in the geological record to leaders of the branches of the Young Archaeologist Club from across England so this is all nice and fresh in my mind.
    A bonus at last for living here , though I may not be around by then.
    Come-on Malc living in Scotland puts you in one of the very special places in the world. Think of all the real drab shit-holes there across the world and be happy.

    PS hope Mrs G is feeling better soon.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Dr. Foxy, hmm.

    London already has tons of museums and art galleries and the like compared to the rest of the country.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,775
    malcolmg said:

    Thanks to everyone for their kind wishes. I will toast your good health with a nice red tonight.

    Well done Malcolm. Best wishes for your good lady and I hope you enjoy the red.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,131

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Verdict: possibly the best Frieze ever

    The Standard agrees with me

    "Perhaps I’m swayed by the relief of seeing the art world returning to normal, but I can’t remember a better looking Frieze London than this."

    https://www.standard.co.uk/culture/exhibitions/frieze-london-2021-art-fair-best-b960418.html

    Absolutely jammed. Visitors from all over the world. Sales pinging.

    London will not be beaten

    Not my thing (Frieze) , but the resurrection of arts etc in London is most welcome. I wonder to what extent the spring (morphically) will visit those areas that have become really dead. Great to wave the London flag even if it looks like Boris on a highwire.
    The Remoaners all said that the London art market would decamp en masse to Paris when Brexit happened. And a couple of galleries did open Paris branches.

    But there has been no exodus, at all. The share of the global art market in each city has remained the same, London has 20%, Paris has 7%. There is no comparison.

    It is possible London will actually grow relative to Paris as Brexit is offering big tax advantages to dealers, even as it complicates the movement of art between the EU and UK

    And the obvious pzazz and va-va-voom of this year's Frieze shows that London is definitely roaring back


    https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2021/10/true-colors-london-frieze-week

    Well that's encouraging. The event itself and the whole art scene is small potatoes, but if it's indicative of the big picture then that's great.
    I firmly believe it is indicative. The art scene is a bellwether for wider cultural/societal/economic changes

    My feeling now is that the death of big cities has been wildly exaggerated. People want to crowd together and gossip and drink and flirt and fuck with other people, new people, exciting people, young people, weird people. You can only do this in cities, and you can only do it brilliantly and extravagantly in great world cities like London

    So the really big cities will be fine. Post pandemic changes will probably hit smaller cities more severely

    Specific to London, the menace of Brexit is also exaggerated. London has a critical mass, and a fundamental attraction: English language, time zone, culture, common law, accumulated wealth, the City, the West End, the culture, and so on, and so forth.

    It will take some knocks from Brexit, but there will also be new opportunities, which is exactly what was predicted by non-hysterical Leavers, and is exactly what is already happening in the art market: Brexit makes it hassly for EU dealers to come to London, with their work, BUT it also makes the London art market potentially more flexible on tax, which could be pretty attractive

    Incidentally, there is a threat to London as a global art capital, but it is from Hong Kong, not anywhere in the EU.

    Hong Kong has eaten up a lot of the business once done in London and NYC, whether that will continue no one knows. Beijing is not helping its own cause. And at the London auctions this week there was, apparently, a notable presence of Asian buyers, spending more than anyone else. So that threat may also prove temporary, or a new equlibirium will be reached where there are three major art centres: NYC, London, Hong Kong

    Finally, some of the best art at Frieze this year is Korean. What is this weird cultural explosion they are having?

    First they took over pop music, now they are doing TV, next contemporary art?!

    I hope you're right and I share many of these thoughts. Poke about in the lesser visited places in London though. Smithfield for example - it's not right.

    I walk and cycle the streets of our great city. I see great vibrancy as before, but there are real holes.

    I do get about quite a lot, and I do see some sad sights still

    Smithfield has been fucked for years tho, hasn't it? Even before Covid it was in swift decline, the meat market shut and the concert hall cancelled, and the nightlife/restaurant/bar scene shifted in toto from St John St to Shoreditch

    I am much more optimistic about Camden than I was. I remember posting on here in late Spring about a walk from Highgate to Primrose Hill in the evening when it was positively dystopian. Horrible. So many places closed, with no sign of reopening

    Even 2 months ago much of the area around the market was grim.

    Now 90% of places have reopened or have been taken over by new business. Which is great to see

    I haven't been to Canary Wharf. I do wonder how they are doing there
    Is the Museum of London still planning to move into the old Smithfield market hall?
    I believe so. The renders look excellent. They need to get a wiggle on
    Might liven the area back up a bit once done. A bigger MoL could be a big draw for tourists.
    It looks like the move is finally happening.

    https://www.constructionnews.co.uk/buildings/contractors-alerted-to-45m-mixed-use-london-scheme-14-09-2021/

    "Scheduled to open in 2024"

    The whole area has been blighted by failed or delayed plans for several years, it's not Brexit or Covid, this time
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    glw said:

    Senior Labour figure who knew Sir David Amess “pretty well” gets in touch to propose that Opposition parties should give Tories “a free run” & not stand in Southend West by-election.

    https://twitter.com/joncraig/status/1449428240121073667?s=21

    It is probably well intentioned but I totally disagree with that. All elections should be properly contested otherwise you create an incentive to change how elections are held. Now admittedly it's incredibly unlikely that someone would resort to violence to bring about an uncontested election, more likely they would want to elminate someone and create an opportunity for an opponent, but the principle should be upheld that elections are contested, and that changes are never made to how an election is held in response to threats or actual violence.
    As a principle, agree 100%.

    As a practical matter, am guessing that Labour & Liberal Democrats have done polling or made other soundings that show their parties don't have a good shot at winning and/or that a by-election campaign would NOT help).

    Would also note that nothing precludes other parties and independents from standing. So the opportunity for an election contest has NOT been eliminated, just because Lab & LDs exercise their right NOT to field candidates.
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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,150


    ..snip

    The rather archaic word 'viand' which means thing to eat, or probably better know as meat in French, is from vivandi - to be lived, like in modus vivandi. A well hidden one is laundry, from lavandarius and lavanda, “things to be washed"

    .. snip

    +1
    but modus vivendi no?

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    Johnson approval down to lowest level since GE19. Starmer now leading by some way.

    And yet intention unchanged
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