We have full employment. We have shortages in certain professions. Absent immigration there is one solution. Get the oldies to work for their benefits.
We don't, 4.7% of the UK working age population is unemployed.
Plus the oldies paid in NI all their working lives and still pay in income tax
Suggest you check out the definition of full employment. It varies, but most economists would agree it is at or near it now.
PS. I was being sarky about the oldies. Although I should imagine there are plenty with HGV, so your government isn't.
Speaking as an oldie who could have an HGV licence, you youngsters would be completely mad to let me loose on the road at the wheel of a large lorry. It would be carnage.
And there's a serious point lurking in there; a risk to the government seeking quick solutions for a dangerous job.
"Angela Rayner amongst a home crowd at the NW reception is heckled by someone who shouts “I think you can challenge him” and she replies: “I think you’ve had all the wine I’ve not had. I have wine envy, mate, but I’ll catch up.” https://t.co/lqf0QJfGud"
Wine? That will destroy her image among working class northern beer drinkers…
She's just lost my vote.
She’s trying to win it back:
BREAKING: Angela Rayner says Downing Street are “racist”, “homophobic” Tory “scum”
I won't be watching the Ryder Cup tomorrow. The hammering was always going to happen. But I still think we can get it back at home next time. 2022? Is it still scheduled for then??
Quite a raft of measures to be announced to address the fuel crisis including letters to one million former drivers with HGV licences with incentives including higher wages and conditions
Boris to announce he wants higher pay for the sector
Also visa quota scheme to allow 5,500 agricultural workers to held the agricultural industry deal with Christmas
One million former drivers with HGV licences. One million.
All week we've been told 300,000 and the real figure is 1,300,000.
You want to fill the vacancies in the sector then there is a simple fix: pay them more. Now stop pratting around.
I was astonished when Jon Craig of Sky announced the figure
I had to wind it back to be sure
From the FT
"Nearly a million letters will be sent out to all drivers who hold an HGV driving licence, encouraging them to return to the industry."
So the nearly a million number is all HGV licence holders presumably including those working as an HGV driver. Not sure how DVLA would be able to exclude them.
How many are licensed to drive fuel tankers?
None, without further training unless their ADR training is still current.
The letters are an absolute smoke screen. Many on here have bought it though.
The various industry bodies seem to be saying the 5,000 visas are nowhere near enough, tonight.
If that's correct, both the government, and more importantly our national infrastructure, may be in some genuinely serious trouble.
Regardless of the merits of the scheme, will they get the 5,000 HGV drivers (and apparently 5,500 "poultry workers")?
If I were an HGV driver, or indeed a turkey plucker, in, say, Bulgaria, would I really be tempted to come over to the UK, in winter, on a three month visa, with all the disruption that would entail? I don't think so, unless the money was stupendously tempting.
Quite a raft of measures to be announced to address the fuel crisis including letters to one million former drivers with HGV licences with incentives including higher wages and conditions
Boris to announce he wants higher pay for the sector
Also visa quota scheme to allow 5,500 agricultural workers to held the agricultural industry deal with Christmas
One million former drivers with HGV licences. One million.
All week we've been told 300,000 and the real figure is 1,300,000.
You want to fill the vacancies in the sector then there is a simple fix: pay them more. Now stop pratting around.
I was astonished when Jon Craig of Sky announced the figure
I had to wind it back to be sure
From the FT
"Nearly a million letters will be sent out to all drivers who hold an HGV driving licence, encouraging them to return to the industry."
So the nearly a million number is all HGV licence holders presumably including those working as an HGV driver. Not sure how DVLA would be able to exclude them.
Quite a raft of measures to be announced to address the fuel crisis including letters to one million former drivers with HGV licences with incentives including higher wages and conditions
Boris to announce he wants higher pay for the sector
Also visa quota scheme to allow 5,500 agricultural workers to held the agricultural industry deal with Christmas
One million former drivers with HGV licences. One million.
All week we've been told 300,000 and the real figure is 1,300,000.
You want to fill the vacancies in the sector then there is a simple fix: pay them more. Now stop pratting around.
I was astonished when Jon Craig of Sky announced the figure
I had to wind it back to be sure
From the FT
"Nearly a million letters will be sent out to all drivers who hold an HGV driving licence, encouraging them to return to the industry."
So the nearly a million number is all HGV licence holders presumably including those working as an HGV driver. Not sure how DVLA would be able to exclude them.
Probably but out of a million there must be a considerable number who will come back if the pay and bonuses are enhanced
It depends. If you do what PT says and double HGV drivers pay yes some will come back. But then each household will need to pay on average about £400 extra a year to fund that, which many do not have, even before cutting UC, fuel and tax increases. It is just shifting from one big problem to another big problem.
Or we can have immigration, which is where we started from and will also be the endpoint.
I am not sure of your maths but no way should we go back down the road of cheap foreign labour at the expense of British wages
Lots of ways to get there or thereabouts. Lets take the average as £30k and double to £60k (still too low vs an MP which seems to be PT's yardstick for some random reason).
300k existing drivers get an extra £30k = £12bn Lets say we get 50k new drivers get an extra £60k = £3bn
£15bn to be found by Joe Public.
28m households in the UK
That would be £530 average per household.
Add electricity and UC cuts and there will be millions in debt very quickly.
The idea we can pay everyone MP salaries if it wasnt for immigrants is a very weird fantasy. We dont earn anything like enough to do that.
Extra tax and NI on 15 billion is a lot to the exchequer
"Angela Rayner amongst a home crowd at the NW reception is heckled by someone who shouts “I think you can challenge him” and she replies: “I think you’ve had all the wine I’ve not had. I have wine envy, mate, but I’ll catch up.” https://t.co/lqf0QJfGud"
Wine? That will destroy her image among working class northern beer drinkers…
She's just lost my vote.
She’s trying to win it back:
BREAKING: Angela Rayner says Downing Street are “racist”, “homophobic” Tory “scum”
If he wants to get involved in politics he should get himself elected
As many times as people say that sort of thing it never makes any more sense to me. You don't have to be an elected politician to propose or oppose political initiatives.
Doing so will make him a political figure in turn, and that will come with attention and reaction that he may not particularly like, but there's not a solitary reason he, or anyone else, should not 'get involved in politics' if they want to. Farooq makes the point most concisely.
"Angela Rayner amongst a home crowd at the NW reception is heckled by someone who shouts “I think you can challenge him” and she replies: “I think you’ve had all the wine I’ve not had. I have wine envy, mate, but I’ll catch up.” https://t.co/lqf0QJfGud"
Wine? That will destroy her image among working class northern beer drinkers…
She's just lost my vote.
She’s trying to win it back:
BREAKING: Angela Rayner says Downing Street are “racist”, “homophobic” Tory “scum”
Sigh....do Labour actually want to win? Just screaming racist, sexist, homophobe, transphobe, etc, isn't going to win any new fans.
You are the one making the sexists comments. Rayner seems to bring out the worst in PB Tories which is probably why she would be a good leader.
Which of @FrancisUrquhart ’s comments is sexist? Men can scream too.
Gordon Brown waves....
I honestly have no idea what Mike was on about.
The use of screaming was the only one I could think of and that’s pretty marginal
I assumed Mike was referring to 'screaming'. Starmer drones. Corbyn meanders. But Rayner screams. Could well be seen as sexist.
Just absolute nonsense. If I only used it in relation to females on here, perhaps there might be some tiny merit, in the way back in the day Tim used to only use certain language in relation to female posters.
But i don't, i used it across sexes and parties, usually relating to when politicians and parties just rant nonsense.
It was totally uncalled for and inaccurate post from Mike.
We have full employment. We have shortages in certain professions. Absent immigration there is one solution. Get the oldies to work for their benefits.
We don't, 4.7% of the UK working age population is unemployed.
Plus the oldies paid in NI all their working lives and still pay in income tax
Suggest you check out the definition of full employment. It varies, but most economists would agree it is at or near it now.
PS. I was being sarky about the oldies. Although I should imagine there are plenty with HGV, so your government isn't.
Speaking as an oldie who could have an HGV licence, you youngsters would be completely mad to let me loose on the road at the wheel of a large lorry. It would be carnage.
And there's a serious point lurking in there; a risk to the government seeking quick solutions for a dangerous job.
Increased risk to seek a solution during an urgent problem is not inherently a poor trade.
If he wants to get involved in politics he should get himself elected
As many times as people say that sort of thing it never makes any more sense to me. You don't have to be an elected politician to propose or oppose political initiatives.
Doing so will make him a political figure in turn, and that will come with attention and reaction that he may not particularly like, but there's not a solitary reason he, or anyone else, should not 'get involved in politics' if they want to. Farooq makes the point most concisely.
Can the mods please kick off everyone expressing a political view who isn't a sitting member of parliament. I, of course, am a Peer.
We have Nick Palmer ex MP, I don't think we have a current elected MP, though Aaron Bell was late of this parish
Quite a raft of measures to be announced to address the fuel crisis including letters to one million former drivers with HGV licences with incentives including higher wages and conditions
Boris to announce he wants higher pay for the sector
Also visa quota scheme to allow 5,500 agricultural workers to held the agricultural industry deal with Christmas
One million former drivers with HGV licences. One million.
All week we've been told 300,000 and the real figure is 1,300,000.
You want to fill the vacancies in the sector then there is a simple fix: pay them more. Now stop pratting around.
I was astonished when Jon Craig of Sky announced the figure
I had to wind it back to be sure
From the FT
"Nearly a million letters will be sent out to all drivers who hold an HGV driving licence, encouraging them to return to the industry."
So the nearly a million number is all HGV licence holders presumably including those working as an HGV driver. Not sure how DVLA would be able to exclude them.
How many are licensed to drive fuel tankers?
None, without further training unless their ADR training is still current.
The letters are an absolute smoke screen. Many on here have bought it though.
The various industry bodies seem to be saying the 5,000 visas are nowhere near enough, tonight.
If that's correct, both the government, and more importantly our national infrastructure, may be in some genuinely serious trouble.
Regardless of the merits of the scheme, will they get the 5,000 HGV drivers (and apparently 5,500 "poultry workers")?
If I were an HGV driver, or indeed a turkey plucker in, say, Bulgaria, would I really be tempted to come over to the UK, in winter, on a three month visa, with all the disruption that would entail? I don't think so, unless the money was stupendously tempting.
Stupendously tempting for a Bulgarian or Romanian, and stupendously tempting for a Brit, are too wildly different things.
Which is something dodgy businesses have been able to exploit for years. Now they're terrified that's come to an end.
Stuart Rose was right. Its time to pay a decent salary for a decent day's work.
The equivalent hourly rate for working in the Uk at minimum Wage in 2014
Bulgaria £47.18 Romania £43.30 Lithuania £28.10 Latvia £25.49 Czech £24.50 Slovakia £24.41 Hungary £24.31 Estonia £23.15 Poland £21.28 Slovenia £10.82
If he wants to get involved in politics he should get himself elected
As many times as people say that sort of thing it never makes any more sense to me. You don't have to be an elected politician to propose or oppose political initiatives.
Doing so will make him a political figure in turn, and that will come with attention and reaction that he may not particularly like, but there's not a solitary reason he, or anyone else, should not 'get involved in politics' if they want to. Farooq makes the point most concisely.
It is said about those on the left, especially women and minorities, by those on the right. Particularly by those who complain loudest about cancel culture. Go figure!
Each household will not need to pay £400 that a ridiculous claim.
Plus having increased their pay, they'll increase spending which will fuel other businesses and other
Plus of course if you double their pay then approximately half of that will end up in the Exchequer anyway.
So it we gave nurses 20% more, that'd be fine too, because they'd spend it and benefit jobs as well as pay more taxes? Why not 50% more, come to that?
You've discovered that far-left magic money tree of which we used to hear so much.
If we give nurses 20% more then that has to come from the taxpayer.
If HGV drivers get more then that comes from whoever pays for goods to be shipped as part of the shipping costs. It doesn't come from taxpayers, or households, or however you want to artificially relate it back to people, except eventually perhaps in inflation.
That will bite him seriously in the arse. It is as incoherent as Corbyns "fully costed Manifesto" 4 page memo that was debunked within about 24 hours in 2017. With added political costs.
1 - Independent schools provide hundreds of million of £££ of of support to local communities, local schools and pupils who would not otherwise make it every year. That accounts for a large chunk of the alleged savings. 2 - Some marginal parents will not be able to afford it. Which drives them back into the state sector. At what cost? All the numbers I have seen make this a loss. 3 - The independent sector is not just - as Starmer seems to think - Eton. It is diverse. I have a relative who was removed from state to independent for several years because the state system could not provide protection from the bullies and appropriate teaching and support. Starmer is attacking this diversirt because of political dogma, penning those victims straight back into the orbit of their bullies and their abusers.
I suspect this is a policy based on imagined dogma and fantasy arithmetic, and that he is stirring up a political tidal wave that will cost him very dearly indeed.
"Angela Rayner amongst a home crowd at the NW reception is heckled by someone who shouts “I think you can challenge him” and she replies: “I think you’ve had all the wine I’ve not had. I have wine envy, mate, but I’ll catch up.” https://t.co/lqf0QJfGud"
Wine? That will destroy her image among working class northern beer drinkers…
She's just lost my vote.
She’s trying to win it back:
BREAKING: Angela Rayner says Downing Street are “racist”, “homophobic” Tory “scum”
Sigh....do Labour actually want to win? Just screaming racist, sexist, homophobe, transphobe, etc, isn't going to win any new fans.
You are the one making the sexists comments. Rayner seems to bring out the worst in PB Tories which is probably why she would be a good leader.
Which of @FrancisUrquhart ’s comments is sexist? Men can scream too.
Gordon Brown waves....
I honestly have no idea what Mike was on about.
The use of screaming was the only one I could think of and that’s pretty marginal
I assumed Mike was referring to 'screaming'. Starmer drones. Corbyn meanders. But Rayner screams. Could well be seen as sexist.
Just absolute nonsense. If I only used it in relation to females on here, perhaps there might be some tiny merit, in the way back in the day Tim used to only use certain language in relation to female posters.
But i don't, i used it across sexes and parties, usually relating to when politicians and parties just rant nonsense.
It was totally uncalled for and inaccurate post from Mike.
Fair enough, so which male politicians have you accused of "screaming"?
Quite a raft of measures to be announced to address the fuel crisis including letters to one million former drivers with HGV licences with incentives including higher wages and conditions
Boris to announce he wants higher pay for the sector
Also visa quota scheme to allow 5,500 agricultural workers to held the agricultural industry deal with Christmas
One million former drivers with HGV licences. One million.
All week we've been told 300,000 and the real figure is 1,300,000.
You want to fill the vacancies in the sector then there is a simple fix: pay them more. Now stop pratting around.
I was astonished when Jon Craig of Sky announced the figure
I had to wind it back to be sure
From the FT
"Nearly a million letters will be sent out to all drivers who hold an HGV driving licence, encouraging them to return to the industry."
So the nearly a million number is all HGV licence holders presumably including those working as an HGV driver. Not sure how DVLA would be able to exclude them.
Quite a raft of measures to be announced to address the fuel crisis including letters to one million former drivers with HGV licences with incentives including higher wages and conditions
Boris to announce he wants higher pay for the sector
Also visa quota scheme to allow 5,500 agricultural workers to held the agricultural industry deal with Christmas
One million former drivers with HGV licences. One million.
All week we've been told 300,000 and the real figure is 1,300,000.
You want to fill the vacancies in the sector then there is a simple fix: pay them more. Now stop pratting around.
I was astonished when Jon Craig of Sky announced the figure
I had to wind it back to be sure
From the FT
"Nearly a million letters will be sent out to all drivers who hold an HGV driving licence, encouraging them to return to the industry."
So the nearly a million number is all HGV licence holders presumably including those working as an HGV driver. Not sure how DVLA would be able to exclude them.
Probably but out of a million there must be a considerable number who will come back if the pay and bonuses are enhanced
It depends. If you do what PT says and double HGV drivers pay yes some will come back. But then each household will need to pay on average about £400 extra a year to fund that, which many do not have, even before cutting UC, fuel and tax increases. It is just shifting from one big problem to another big problem.
Or we can have immigration, which is where we started from and will also be the endpoint.
I am not sure of your maths but no way should we go back down the road of cheap foreign labour at the expense of British wages
Lots of ways to get there or thereabouts. Lets take the average as £30k and double to £60k (still too low vs an MP which seems to be PT's yardstick for some random reason).
300k existing drivers get an extra £30k = £12bn Lets say we get 50k new drivers get an extra £60k = £3bn
£15bn to be found by Joe Public.
28m households in the UK
That would be £530 average per household.
Add electricity and UC cuts and there will be millions in debt very quickly.
The idea we can pay everyone MP salaries if it wasnt for immigrants is a very weird fantasy. We dont earn anything like enough to do that.
Extra tax and NI on 15 billion is a lot to the exchequer
Each household will not need to pay £400 that a ridiculous claim.
Plus having increased their pay, they'll increase spending which will fuel other businesses and other
Plus of course if you double their pay then approximately half of that will end up in the Exchequer anyway.
So it we gave nurses 20% more, that'd be fine too, because they'd spend it and benefit jobs as well as pay more taxes? Why not 50% more, come to that?
You've discovered that far-left magic money tree of which we used to hear so much.
If we give nurses 20% more then that has to come from the taxpayer.
If HGV drivers get more then that comes from whoever pays for goods to be shipped as part of the shipping costs. It doesn't come from taxpayers, or households, or however you want to artificially relate it back to people, except eventually perhaps in inflation.
Households don't pay for transport costs really is one of the weirdest arguments I have seen on here. Apparently from a trained economist who is not trolling.
"Angela Rayner amongst a home crowd at the NW reception is heckled by someone who shouts “I think you can challenge him” and she replies: “I think you’ve had all the wine I’ve not had. I have wine envy, mate, but I’ll catch up.” https://t.co/lqf0QJfGud"
Wine? That will destroy her image among working class northern beer drinkers…
She's just lost my vote.
She’s trying to win it back:
BREAKING: Angela Rayner says Downing Street are “racist”, “homophobic” Tory “scum”
Sigh....do Labour actually want to win? Just screaming racist, sexist, homophobe, transphobe, etc, isn't going to win any new fans.
You are the one making the sexists comments. Rayner seems to bring out the worst in PB Tories which is probably why she would be a good leader.
Which of @FrancisUrquhart ’s comments is sexist? Men can scream too.
Gordon Brown waves....
I honestly have no idea what Mike was on about.
The use of screaming was the only one I could think of and that’s pretty marginal
I assumed Mike was referring to 'screaming'. Starmer drones. Corbyn meanders. But Rayner screams. Could well be seen as sexist.
Just absolute nonsense. If I only used it in relation to females on here, perhaps there might be some tiny merit, in the way back in the day Tim used to only use certain language in relation to female posters.
But i don't, i used it across sexes and parties, usually relating to when politicians and parties just rant nonsense.
It was totally uncalled for and inaccurate post from Mike.
Fair enough, so which male politicians have you accused of "screaming"?
I am not going to search 65k posts, but it screeching / screaming is regular term i use on here, often in relation to say twitter reaction to something. And never been accused of sexism for doing so.
Same as never been accused of racism, homophobia etc.
And I don't think I have even mentioned Rayner very much at all. It was a very odd post from Mike.
Angela Rayner isn't going to be prime minister after her comments tonight. She may have won support from the left of the Labour Party but swing voters won't take her seriously.
"Angela Rayner amongst a home crowd at the NW reception is heckled by someone who shouts “I think you can challenge him” and she replies: “I think you’ve had all the wine I’ve not had. I have wine envy, mate, but I’ll catch up.” https://t.co/lqf0QJfGud"
Wine? That will destroy her image among working class northern beer drinkers…
She's just lost my vote.
She’s trying to win it back:
BREAKING: Angela Rayner says Downing Street are “racist”, “homophobic” Tory “scum”
Sigh....do Labour actually want to win? Just screaming racist, sexist, homophobe, transphobe, etc, isn't going to win any new fans.
You are the one making the sexists comments. Rayner seems to bring out the worst in PB Tories which is probably why she would be a good leader.
Which of @FrancisUrquhart ’s comments is sexist? Men can scream too.
Gordon Brown waves....
I honestly have no idea what Mike was on about.
The use of screaming was the only one I could think of and that’s pretty marginal
I assumed Mike was referring to 'screaming'. Starmer drones. Corbyn meanders. But Rayner screams. Could well be seen as sexist.
Just absolute nonsense. If I only used it in relation to females on here, perhaps there might be some tiny merit, in the way back in the day Tim used to only use certain language in relation to female posters.
But i don't, i used it across sexes and parties, usually relating to when politicians and parties just rant nonsense.
It was totally uncalled for and inaccurate post from Mike.
Fair enough, so which male politicians have you accused of "screaming"?
If he wants to get involved in politics he should get himself elected
As many times as people say that sort of thing it never makes any more sense to me. You don't have to be an elected politician to propose or oppose political initiatives.
Doing so will make him a political figure in turn, and that will come with attention and reaction that he may not particularly like, but there's not a solitary reason he, or anyone else, should not 'get involved in politics' if they want to. Farooq makes the point most concisely.
Can the mods please kick off everyone expressing a political view who isn't a sitting member of parliament. I, of course, am a Peer.
Quite a raft of measures to be announced to address the fuel crisis including letters to one million former drivers with HGV licences with incentives including higher wages and conditions
Boris to announce he wants higher pay for the sector
Also visa quota scheme to allow 5,500 agricultural workers to held the agricultural industry deal with Christmas
One million former drivers with HGV licences. One million.
All week we've been told 300,000 and the real figure is 1,300,000.
You want to fill the vacancies in the sector then there is a simple fix: pay them more. Now stop pratting around.
I was astonished when Jon Craig of Sky announced the figure
I had to wind it back to be sure
From the FT
"Nearly a million letters will be sent out to all drivers who hold an HGV driving licence, encouraging them to return to the industry."
So the nearly a million number is all HGV licence holders presumably including those working as an HGV driver. Not sure how DVLA would be able to exclude them.
Quite a raft of measures to be announced to address the fuel crisis including letters to one million former drivers with HGV licences with incentives including higher wages and conditions
Boris to announce he wants higher pay for the sector
Also visa quota scheme to allow 5,500 agricultural workers to held the agricultural industry deal with Christmas
One million former drivers with HGV licences. One million.
All week we've been told 300,000 and the real figure is 1,300,000.
You want to fill the vacancies in the sector then there is a simple fix: pay them more. Now stop pratting around.
I was astonished when Jon Craig of Sky announced the figure
I had to wind it back to be sure
From the FT
"Nearly a million letters will be sent out to all drivers who hold an HGV driving licence, encouraging them to return to the industry."
So the nearly a million number is all HGV licence holders presumably including those working as an HGV driver. Not sure how DVLA would be able to exclude them.
Probably but out of a million there must be a considerable number who will come back if the pay and bonuses are enhanced
It depends. If you do what PT says and double HGV drivers pay yes some will come back. But then each household will need to pay on average about £400 extra a year to fund that, which many do not have, even before cutting UC, fuel and tax increases. It is just shifting from one big problem to another big problem.
Or we can have immigration, which is where we started from and will also be the endpoint.
I am not sure of your maths but no way should we go back down the road of cheap foreign labour at the expense of British wages
Lots of ways to get there or thereabouts. Lets take the average as £30k and double to £60k (still too low vs an MP which seems to be PT's yardstick for some random reason).
300k existing drivers get an extra £30k = £12bn Lets say we get 50k new drivers get an extra £60k = £3bn
£15bn to be found by Joe Public.
28m households in the UK
That would be £530 average per household.
Add electricity and UC cuts and there will be millions in debt very quickly.
The idea we can pay everyone MP salaries if it wasnt for immigrants is a very weird fantasy. We dont earn anything like enough to do that.
Extra tax and NI on 15 billion is a lot to the exchequer
So will their children and grandchildren who inherit it
They will be close to retirement when they inherit!
It used to be vote Tory, work hard and we will give you opportunity.
Somehow that has morphed into, vote Tory, wait a long time for your parents to die.
The Tory party was the party of estates and inheritance and rural landowners in the 18th and 19th century long before it became the party of traders, professionals and investors in the 20th century, that used to be the Liberals and long before it became the party of the working class in 2019 too, that used to be the Labour Party.
Plus some parents give their children money early to help with deposits to buy properties in their 20s and 30s
We have full employment. We have shortages in certain professions. Absent immigration there is one solution. Get the oldies to work for their benefits.
We don't, 4.7% of the UK working age population is unemployed.
Plus the oldies paid in NI all their working lives and still pay in income tax
Suggest you check out the definition of full employment. It varies, but most economists would agree it is at or near it now.
It isn't, 4% of the working age population who are neither sick nor disabled are not in work but seeking it. It would need to be near 0% of that group for there really to be full employment.
Pensioners are generally excluded as the vast majority of them are not actively seeking work
Not in any functioning Western economy. If it were 0%, no vacancy would ever be filled. Nor would anyone ever be fired, or change jobs. No one would be able to retire, nor would an entire cohort of school leavers or graduates have a second to enjoy themselves, nor consider what they wanted to do with their lives. No full-time parent would ever re-enter the job market. Amongst other cases. Somewhere between 3% and 6% is considered full.
Angela Rayner isn't going to be prime minister after her comments tonight. She may have won support from the left of the Labour Party but swing voters won't take her seriously.
Angela Rayner isn't going to be prime minister after her comments tonight. She may have won support from the left of the Labour Party but swing voters won't take her seriously.
Isn't that what they said about David Lloyd George re: his Limehouse speech?
"Angela Rayner amongst a home crowd at the NW reception is heckled by someone who shouts “I think you can challenge him” and she replies: “I think you’ve had all the wine I’ve not had. I have wine envy, mate, but I’ll catch up.” https://t.co/lqf0QJfGud"
Wine? That will destroy her image among working class northern beer drinkers…
She's just lost my vote.
She’s trying to win it back:
BREAKING: Angela Rayner says Downing Street are “racist”, “homophobic” Tory “scum”
Sigh....do Labour actually want to win? Just screaming racist, sexist, homophobe, transphobe, etc, isn't going to win any new fans.
You are the one making the sexists comments. Rayner seems to bring out the worst in PB Tories which is probably why she would be a good leader.
Which of @FrancisUrquhart ’s comments is sexist? Men can scream too.
Gordon Brown waves....
I honestly have no idea what Mike was on about.
The use of screaming was the only one I could think of and that’s pretty marginal
I assumed Mike was referring to 'screaming'. Starmer drones. Corbyn meanders. But Rayner screams. Could well be seen as sexist.
Just absolute nonsense. If I only used it in relation to females on here, perhaps there might be some tiny merit, in the way back in the day Tim used to only use certain language in relation to female posters.
But i don't, i used it across sexes and parties, usually relating to when politicians and parties just rant nonsense.
It was totally uncalled for and inaccurate post from Mike.
Fair enough, so which male politicians have you accused of "screaming"?
I am not going to search 65k posts, but it screeching / screaming is regular term i use on here, often in relation to say twitter reaction to something. And never been accused of sexism for doing so.
Same as never been accused of racism, homophobia etc.
And I don't think I have even mentioned Rayner very much at all. It was a very odd post from Mike.
Angela Rayner isn't going to be prime minister after her comments tonight. She may have won support from the left of the Labour Party but swing voters won't take her seriously.
People have said worse things and risen to be PM, I am sure.
"Angela Rayner amongst a home crowd at the NW reception is heckled by someone who shouts “I think you can challenge him” and she replies: “I think you’ve had all the wine I’ve not had. I have wine envy, mate, but I’ll catch up.” https://t.co/lqf0QJfGud"
Wine? That will destroy her image among working class northern beer drinkers…
She's just lost my vote.
She’s trying to win it back:
BREAKING: Angela Rayner says Downing Street are “racist”, “homophobic” Tory “scum”
Sigh....do Labour actually want to win? Just screaming racist, sexist, homophobe, transphobe, etc, isn't going to win any new fans.
You are the one making the sexists comments. Rayner seems to bring out the worst in PB Tories which is probably why she would be a good leader.
Which of @FrancisUrquhart ’s comments is sexist? Men can scream too.
Gordon Brown waves....
I honestly have no idea what Mike was on about.
The use of screaming was the only one I could think of and that’s pretty marginal
I assumed Mike was referring to 'screaming'. Starmer drones. Corbyn meanders. But Rayner screams. Could well be seen as sexist.
Just absolute nonsense. If I only used it in relation to females on here, perhaps there might be some tiny merit, in the way back in the day Tim used to only use certain language in relation to female posters.
But i don't, i used it across sexes and parties, usually relating to when politicians and parties just rant nonsense.
It was totally uncalled for and inaccurate post from Mike.
Fair enough, so which male politicians have you accused of "screaming"?
I am not going to search 65k posts, but it screeching / screaming is regular term i use on here, often in relation to say twitter reaction to something. And never been accused of sexism for doing so.
Same as never been accused of racism, homophobia etc.
And I don't think I have even mentioned Rayner very much at all. It was a very odd post from Mike.
That will bite him seriously in the arse. It is as incoherent as Corbyns "fully costed Manifesto" 4 page memo that was debunked within about 24 hours in 2017. With added political costs.
1 - Independent schools provide hundreds of million of £££ of of support to local communities, local schools and pupils who would not otherwise make it every year. That accounts for a large chunk of the alleged savings. 2 - Some marginal parents will not be able to afford it. Which drives them back into the state sector. At what cost? All the numbers I have seen make this a loss. 3 - The independent sector is not just - as Starmer seems to think - Eton. It is diverse. I have a relative who was removed from state to independent for several years because the state system could not provide protection from the bullies and appropriate teaching and support. Starmer is attacking this diversirt because of political dogma, penning those victims straight back into the orbit of their bullies and their abusers.
I suspect this is a policy based on imagined dogma and fantasy arithmetic, and that he is stirring up a political tidal wave that will cost him very dearly indeed.
A very, very stupid idea.
I actually agree with parts of this. Removing the assisted places scheme in the late '90s achieved simiarly little, and was actually socially counter-productive. It reminds me of some of New Labour's most mediocre moments of gesture politics, which it used to cover a lack of radicalism in some other areas in its first term, and to sell what was actually a fairly technocratic agenda to its members.
Angela Rayner isn't going to be prime minister after her comments tonight. She may have won support from the left of the Labour Party but swing voters won't take her seriously.
Correct. The ordinary 'middle of the road' punters will say LOL to her.
Keir is trying hard and appears to have got through some sensible changes to LAB leadership rules today. But the electorate look beyond the leader to the broader team. Good luck with that Labour.
"Angela Rayner amongst a home crowd at the NW reception is heckled by someone who shouts “I think you can challenge him” and she replies: “I think you’ve had all the wine I’ve not had. I have wine envy, mate, but I’ll catch up.” https://t.co/lqf0QJfGud"
Wine? That will destroy her image among working class northern beer drinkers…
She's just lost my vote.
She’s trying to win it back:
BREAKING: Angela Rayner says Downing Street are “racist”, “homophobic” Tory “scum”
Sigh....do Labour actually want to win? Just screaming racist, sexist, homophobe, transphobe, etc, isn't going to win any new fans.
You are the one making the sexists comments. Rayner seems to bring out the worst in PB Tories which is probably why she would be a good leader.
Which of @FrancisUrquhart ’s comments is sexist? Men can scream too.
Gordon Brown waves....
I honestly have no idea what Mike was on about.
The use of screaming was the only one I could think of and that’s pretty marginal
I assumed Mike was referring to 'screaming'. Starmer drones. Corbyn meanders. But Rayner screams. Could well be seen as sexist.
Just absolute nonsense. If I only used it in relation to females on here, perhaps there might be some tiny merit, in the way back in the day Tim used to only use certain language in relation to female posters.
But i don't, i used it across sexes and parties, usually relating to when politicians and parties just rant nonsense.
It was totally uncalled for and inaccurate post from Mike.
Fair enough, so which male politicians have you accused of "screaming"?
"Angela Rayner amongst a home crowd at the NW reception is heckled by someone who shouts “I think you can challenge him” and she replies: “I think you’ve had all the wine I’ve not had. I have wine envy, mate, but I’ll catch up.” https://t.co/lqf0QJfGud"
Wine? That will destroy her image among working class northern beer drinkers…
She's just lost my vote.
She’s trying to win it back:
BREAKING: Angela Rayner says Downing Street are “racist”, “homophobic” Tory “scum”
Sigh....do Labour actually want to win? Just screaming racist, sexist, homophobe, transphobe, etc, isn't going to win any new fans.
You are the one making the sexists comments. Rayner seems to bring out the worst in PB Tories which is probably why she would be a good leader.
Which of @FrancisUrquhart ’s comments is sexist? Men can scream too.
Gordon Brown waves....
I honestly have no idea what Mike was on about.
The use of screaming was the only one I could think of and that’s pretty marginal
I assumed Mike was referring to 'screaming'. Starmer drones. Corbyn meanders. But Rayner screams. Could well be seen as sexist.
Just absolute nonsense. If I only used it in relation to females on here, perhaps there might be some tiny merit, in the way back in the day Tim used to only use certain language in relation to female posters.
But i don't, i used it across sexes and parties, usually relating to when politicians and parties just rant nonsense.
It was totally uncalled for and inaccurate post from Mike.
Fair enough, so which male politicians have you accused of "screaming"?
Angela Rayner isn't going to be prime minister after her comments tonight. She may have won support from the left of the Labour Party but swing voters won't take her seriously.
Isn't that what they said about David Lloyd George re: his Limehouse speech?
Comparing Angela Rayner to Lloyd George is like comparing Mr Blobby to Bob Dillon
"Angela Rayner amongst a home crowd at the NW reception is heckled by someone who shouts “I think you can challenge him” and she replies: “I think you’ve had all the wine I’ve not had. I have wine envy, mate, but I’ll catch up.” https://t.co/lqf0QJfGud"
Wine? That will destroy her image among working class northern beer drinkers…
She's just lost my vote.
She’s trying to win it back:
BREAKING: Angela Rayner says Downing Street are “racist”, “homophobic” Tory “scum”
Sigh....do Labour actually want to win? Just screaming racist, sexist, homophobe, transphobe, etc, isn't going to win any new fans.
You are the one making the sexists comments. Rayner seems to bring out the worst in PB Tories which is probably why she would be a good leader.
Which of @FrancisUrquhart ’s comments is sexist? Men can scream too.
Gordon Brown waves....
I honestly have no idea what Mike was on about.
The use of screaming was the only one I could think of and that’s pretty marginal
I assumed Mike was referring to 'screaming'. Starmer drones. Corbyn meanders. But Rayner screams. Could well be seen as sexist.
Just absolute nonsense. If I only used it in relation to females on here, perhaps there might be some tiny merit, in the way back in the day Tim used to only use certain language in relation to female posters.
But i don't, i used it across sexes and parties, usually relating to when politicians and parties just rant nonsense.
It was totally uncalled for and inaccurate post from Mike.
Fair enough, so which male politicians have you accused of "screaming"?
I am not going to search 65k posts, but it screeching / screaming is regular term i use on here, often in relation to say twitter reaction to something. And never been accused of sexism for doing so.
Same as never been accused of racism, homophobia etc.
And I don't think I have even mentioned Rayner very much at all. It was a very odd post from Mike.
Thought so.
Don't be a dick.
Fair enough - I'm male, after all. But I'd have a wager that you'll avoid referring to female politicians as 'screaming' after this discussion.
"Angela Rayner amongst a home crowd at the NW reception is heckled by someone who shouts “I think you can challenge him” and she replies: “I think you’ve had all the wine I’ve not had. I have wine envy, mate, but I’ll catch up.” https://t.co/lqf0QJfGud"
Wine? That will destroy her image among working class northern beer drinkers…
She's just lost my vote.
She’s trying to win it back:
BREAKING: Angela Rayner says Downing Street are “racist”, “homophobic” Tory “scum”
Sigh....do Labour actually want to win? Just screaming racist, sexist, homophobe, transphobe, etc, isn't going to win any new fans.
You are the one making the sexists comments. Rayner seems to bring out the worst in PB Tories which is probably why she would be a good leader.
Which of @FrancisUrquhart ’s comments is sexist? Men can scream too.
Gordon Brown waves....
I honestly have no idea what Mike was on about.
The use of screaming was the only one I could think of and that’s pretty marginal
I assumed Mike was referring to 'screaming'. Starmer drones. Corbyn meanders. But Rayner screams. Could well be seen as sexist.
Just absolute nonsense. If I only used it in relation to females on here, perhaps there might be some tiny merit, in the way back in the day Tim used to only use certain language in relation to female posters.
But i don't, i used it across sexes and parties, usually relating to when politicians and parties just rant nonsense.
It was totally uncalled for and inaccurate post from Mike.
Fair enough, so which male politicians have you accused of "screaming"?
I am not going to search 65k posts, but it screeching / screaming is regular term i use on here, often in relation to say twitter reaction to something. And never been accused of sexism for doing so.
Same as never been accused of racism, homophobia etc.
And I don't think I have even mentioned Rayner very much at all. It was a very odd post from Mike.
Thought so.
The only post I could find when FrancisUrquhart used the phrase "scream" regarding a politician was one in 2015, about Ed Miliband.
Angela Rayner isn't going to be prime minister after her comments tonight. She may have won support from the left of the Labour Party but swing voters won't take her seriously.
Isn't that what they said about David Lloyd George re: his Limehouse speech?
Comparing Angela Rayner to Lloyd George is like comparing Mr Blobby to Bob Dillon
Angela Rayner isn't going to be prime minister after her comments tonight. She may have won support from the left of the Labour Party but swing voters won't take her seriously.
Isn't that what they said about David Lloyd George re: his Limehouse speech?
Comparing Angela Rayner to Lloyd George is like comparing Mr Blobby to Bob Dillon
"Angela Rayner amongst a home crowd at the NW reception is heckled by someone who shouts “I think you can challenge him” and she replies: “I think you’ve had all the wine I’ve not had. I have wine envy, mate, but I’ll catch up.” https://t.co/lqf0QJfGud"
Wine? That will destroy her image among working class northern beer drinkers…
She's just lost my vote.
She’s trying to win it back:
BREAKING: Angela Rayner says Downing Street are “racist”, “homophobic” Tory “scum”
Sigh....do Labour actually want to win? Just screaming racist, sexist, homophobe, transphobe, etc, isn't going to win any new fans.
You are the one making the sexists comments. Rayner seems to bring out the worst in PB Tories which is probably why she would be a good leader.
Which of @FrancisUrquhart ’s comments is sexist? Men can scream too.
Gordon Brown waves....
I honestly have no idea what Mike was on about.
The use of screaming was the only one I could think of and that’s pretty marginal
I assumed Mike was referring to 'screaming'. Starmer drones. Corbyn meanders. But Rayner screams. Could well be seen as sexist.
Just absolute nonsense. If I only used it in relation to females on here, perhaps there might be some tiny merit, in the way back in the day Tim used to only use certain language in relation to female posters.
But i don't, i used it across sexes and parties, usually relating to when politicians and parties just rant nonsense.
It was totally uncalled for and inaccurate post from Mike.
Fair enough, so which male politicians have you accused of "screaming"?
I am not going to search 65k posts, but it screeching / screaming is regular term i use on here, often in relation to say twitter reaction to something. And never been accused of sexism for doing so.
Same as never been accused of racism, homophobia etc.
And I don't think I have even mentioned Rayner very much at all. It was a very odd post from Mike.
Searching for the word scream bring up 134 pages of results.
Angela Rayner isn't going to be prime minister after her comments tonight. She may have won support from the left of the Labour Party but swing voters won't take her seriously.
Isn't that what they said about David Lloyd George re: his Limehouse speech?
Comparing Angela Rayner to Lloyd George is like comparing Mr Blobby to Bob Dillon
Angela Rayner isn't going to be prime minister after her comments tonight. She may have won support from the left of the Labour Party but swing voters won't take her seriously.
Isn't that what they said about David Lloyd George re: his Limehouse speech?
Comparing Angela Rayner to Lloyd George is like comparing Mr Blobby to Bob Dillon
Angela Rayner isn't going to be prime minister after her comments tonight. She may have won support from the left of the Labour Party but swing voters won't take her seriously.
Isn't that what they said about David Lloyd George re: his Limehouse speech?
Comparing Angela Rayner to Lloyd George is like comparing Mr Blobby to Bob Dillon
So DLG was NOT criticized for his verbiage at Limehouse? IIRC plenty of adverse comment at the time, along same lines as expressed by our Andy.
BTW it's Bob Dylan, changed from Zimmerman in honor of Dylan Thomas (also infamous for his "bad" language)
EDIT - is Mr Bloby another known for political invective?
I would imagine if Labour banned charitable status of private schools, the unintended consequence will be that the charitable work and facility sharing they currently do will be the first thing to go.
And all that would happen is fees up, more rich foreign students, meaning more British kids needing state education and costing the taxpayer more.
So the £1.7bn quickly becomes a hell of a lot less than that.
It seems like one of those things like private health care, even if you are idealogically against, removing it is far from cost free.
To me seems like lot more important things to worry about. Put taxes up on the rich if you want the money for state education.
Angela Rayner isn't going to be prime minister after her comments tonight. She may have won support from the left of the Labour Party but swing voters won't take her seriously.
Isn't that what they said about David Lloyd George re: his Limehouse speech?
Comparing Angela Rayner to Lloyd George is like comparing Mr Blobby to Bob Dillon
So DLG was NOT criticized for his verbiage at Limehouse? IIRC plenty of adverse comment at the time, along same lines as expressed by our Andy.
BTW it's Bob Dylan, changed from Zimmerman in honor of Dylan Thomas (also infamous for his "bad" language)
Pedant hat on. @HYUFD is correct. Bob Dillon was one of the pseudonyms he went under before settling on Dylan. Blind Boy Grunt and Elston Gunn being two more. He produces under the name Jack Frost right now.
Each household will not need to pay £400 that a ridiculous claim.
Plus having increased their pay, they'll increase spending which will fuel other businesses and other
Plus of course if you double their pay then approximately half of that will end up in the Exchequer anyway.
So it we gave nurses 20% more, that'd be fine too, because they'd spend it and benefit jobs as well as pay more taxes? Why not 50% more, come to that?
You've discovered that far-left magic money tree of which we used to hear so much.
If we give nurses 20% more then that has to come from the taxpayer.
If HGV drivers get more then that comes from whoever pays for goods to be shipped as part of the shipping costs. It doesn't come from taxpayers, or households, or however you want to artificially relate it back to people, except eventually perhaps in inflation.
Households don't pay for transport costs really is one of the weirdest arguments I have seen on here. Apparently from a trained economist who is not trolling.
Indirectly absolutely it will be a part of inflation. But you're acting as if 100% of economic activity and economic costs ends up in the hands of households.
UK GDP is £2 trillion UK households ~28mn Do the maths like you're doing and that means household income of £70,000.
The actual median household income in the UK: £29,900
You need to compare like for like, you can't just artificially assign everything in the UK to households as that's not how the economy works!
I would imagine if Labour banned charitable status of private schools, the unintended consequence will be that the charitable work and facility sharing they currently do will be the first thing to go.
And all that would happen is fees up, more rich foreign students, meaning more British kids needing state education and costing the taxpayer more.
So the £1.7bn quickly becomes a hell of a lot less than that.
It seems like one of those things like private health care, even if you are idealogically against, removing it is far from cost free.
To me seems like lot more important things to worry about. Put taxes up on the rich if you want the money for state education.
Blair's removal of the assisted places was instrumental in making these schools even more socially exclusive than they were in the late '90s. It's New Labour at its gestural worst rather than more fresh-thinking, I think. Either you might giant and radical changes to this sector, or you leave it alone.
Angela Rayner isn't going to be prime minister after her comments tonight. She may have won support from the left of the Labour Party but swing voters won't take her seriously.
Isn't that what they said about David Lloyd George re: his Limehouse speech?
Comparing Angela Rayner to Lloyd George is like comparing Mr Blobby to Bob Dillon
So DLG was NOT criticized for his verbiage at Limehouse? IIRC plenty of adverse comment at the time, along same lines as expressed by our Andy.
BTW it's Bob Dylan, changed from Zimmerman in honor of Dylan Thomas (also infamous for his "bad" language)
EDIT - is Mr Bloby another known for political invective?
He's known for invective. Usually on the receiving end though.
That will bite him seriously in the arse. It is as incoherent as Corbyns "fully costed Manifesto" 4 page memo that was debunked within about 24 hours in 2017. With added political costs.
1 - Independent schools provide hundreds of million of £££ of of support to local communities, local schools and pupils who would not otherwise make it every year. That accounts for a large chunk of the alleged savings. 2 - Some marginal parents will not be able to afford it. Which drives them back into the state sector. At what cost? All the numbers I have seen make this a loss. 3 - The independent sector is not just - as Starmer seems to think - Eton. It is diverse. I have a relative who was removed from state to independent for several years because the state system could not provide protection from the bullies and appropriate teaching and support. Starmer is attacking this diversirt because of political dogma, penning those victims straight back into the orbit of their bullies and their abusers.
I suspect this is a policy based on imagined dogma and fantasy arithmetic, and that he is stirring up a political tidal wave that will cost him very dearly indeed.
A very, very stupid idea.
I actually agree with parts of this. Removing the assisted places scheme in the late '90s achieved simiarly little, and was actually socially counter-productive. It reminds me of some of New Labour's most mediocre moments of gesture politics, which it used to cover a lack of radicalism in some other areas in its first term, and to sell what was actually a fairly technocratic agenda to its members.
Sir Keir either benefitted from state aided private schooling, or his parents paid for him to go private themselves.
I would imagine if Labour banned charitable status of private schools, the unintended consequence will be that the charitable work and facility sharing they currently do will be the first thing to go.
And all that would happen is fees up, more rich foreign students, meaning more British kids needing state education and costing the taxpayer more.
So the £1.7bn quickly becomes a hell of a lot less than that.
It seems like one of those things like private health care, even if you are idealogically against, removing it is far from cost free.
To me seems like lot more important things to worry about. Put taxes up on the rich if you want the money for state education.
Blair's removal of the assisted places was instrumental in making these schools even more socially exclusive than they were in the late '90s. It's New Labour at its gestural worst rather than more fresh-thinking, I think. Either you might giant and radical changes to this sector, or you leave it alone.
Obviously it was in the 2019 manifesto as was £10 an hr, banning ZHC, Green New Deal, loft laggers of the world unite.
Be interesting to see if Labour have anything new. Brexit is one thing, but the world is changing fast, we need some serious sensible solutions for the problems both now, but coming down the tracks.
I would imagine if Labour banned charitable status of private schools, the unintended consequence will be that the charitable work and facility sharing they currently do will be the first thing to go.
And all that would happen is fees up, more rich foreign students, meaning more British kids needing state education and costing the taxpayer more.
So the £1.7bn quickly becomes a hell of a lot less than that.
It seems like one of those things like private health care, even if you are idealogically against, removing it is far from cost free.
To me seems like lot more important things to worry about. Put taxes up on the rich if you want the money for state education.
Blair's removal of the assisted places was instrumental in making these schools even more socially exclusive than they were in the late '90s. It's New Labour at its gestural worst rather than more fresh-thinking, I think. Either you might giant and radical changes to this sector, or you leave it alone.
Obviously it was in the 2019 manifesto as was £10 an hr, banning ZHC, Green New Deal, loft laggers of the world unite.
Be interesting to see if Labour have anything new. Brexit is one thing, but the world is changing fast, we need some serious sensible solutions for the problems both now, but coming down the tracks.
Several of those from 2019 I have some sympathy with, if not always the sheer amount of them and the way they were communicated, but this is just low-end gesturing that achieves little, I think.
Labour definitely needs a lot of new ideas, as do all the parties.
I would imagine if Labour banned charitable status of private schools, the unintended consequence will be that the charitable work and facility sharing they currently do will be the first thing to go.
And all that would happen is fees up, more rich foreign students, meaning more British kids needing state education and costing the taxpayer more.
So the £1.7bn quickly becomes a hell of a lot less than that.
It seems like one of those things like private health care, even if you are idealogically against, removing it is far from cost free.
To me seems like lot more important things to worry about. Put taxes up on the rich if you want the money for state education.
Blair's removal of the assisted places was instrumental in making these schools even more socially exclusive than they were in the late '90s. It's New Labour at its gestural worst rather than more fresh-thinking, I think. Either you might giant and radical changes to this sector, or you leave it alone.
Obviously it was in the 2019 manifesto as was £10 an hr, banning ZHC, Green New Deal, loft laggers of the world unite.
Be interesting to see if Labour have anything new. Brexit is one thing, but the world is changing fast, we need some serious sensible solutions for the problems both now, but coming down the tracks.
Be more interesting to see if there is anything left from their last 3 manifestoes that Boris hasn't already implemented.
Early one morning, the sun was shining I was laying in bed Wondering if she'd changed it all If her hair was still red Her folks, they said our lives together Sure was gonna be rough They never did like mama's homemade dress Papa's bankbook wasn't big enough And I was standing on the side of the road Rain falling on my shoes Heading out for the East coast Lord knows I've paid some dues getting through Tangled up in blue
She was married when we first met Soon to be divorced I helped her out of a jam, I guess But I used a little too much force We drove that car as far as we could Abandoned it out West Split up on a dark, sad night Both agreeing it was best She turned around to look at me As I was walking away I heard her say over my shoulder "We'll meet again someday on the Avenue" Tangled up in blue
I had a job in the great North Woods Working as a cook for a spell But I never did like it all that much And one day the ax just fell So I drifted down to New Orleans Where I was happy to be employed Workin' for a while on a fishin' boat Right outside of Delacroix But all the while I was alone The past was close behind I seen a lot of women But she never escaped my mind and I just grew Tangled up in blue
She was working in a topless place And I stopped in for a beer I just kept looking at the sight of her face In the spotlight so clear And later on when the crowd thinned out I's just about to do the same She was standing there in back of my chair Saying, "Don't I know your name?" I muttered something underneath my breath She studied the lines on my face I must admit I felt a little uneasy When she bent down to tie the laces of my shoe Tangled up in blue
She lit a burner on the stove and offered me a pipe "I thought you'd never say hello, " she said "You look like the silent type" Then she opened up a book of poems And handed it to me Written by an Italian poet From the thirteenth century And every one of them words rang true And glowed like burnin' coal Pourin' off of every page Like it was written in my soul from me to you Tangled up in blue
I lived with them on Montague Street In a basement down the stairs There was music in the cafés at night And revolution in the air Then he started into dealing with slaves And something inside of him died She had to sell everything she owned And froze up inside And when finally the bottom fell out I became withdrawn The only thing I knew how to do Was to keep on keepin' on like a bird that flew Tangled up in blue
So now I'm going back again I got to get her somehow All the people we used to know They're an illusion to me now Some are mathematicians Some are carpenters' wives Don't know how it all got started I don't what they do with their lives But me, I'm still on the road Headin' for another joint We always did feel the same We just saw it from a different point of view Tangled up in blue
I would imagine if Labour banned charitable status of private schools, the unintended consequence will be that the charitable work and facility sharing they currently do will be the first thing to go.
And all that would happen is fees up, more rich foreign students, meaning more British kids needing state education and costing the taxpayer more.
So the £1.7bn quickly becomes a hell of a lot less than that.
It seems like one of those things like private health care, even if you are idealogically against, removing it is far from cost free.
To me seems like lot more important things to worry about. Put taxes up on the rich if you want the money for state education.
Blair's removal of the assisted places was instrumental in making these schools even more socially exclusive than they were in the late '90s. It's New Labour at its gestural worst rather than more fresh-thinking, I think. Either you might giant and radical changes to this sector, or you leave it alone.
Obviously it was in the 2019 manifesto as was £10 an hr, banning ZHC, Green New Deal, loft laggers of the world unite.
Be interesting to see if Labour have anything new. Brexit is one thing, but the world is changing fast, we need some serious sensible solutions for the problems both now, but coming down the tracks.
Be more interesting to see if there is anything left from their last 3 manifestoes that Boris hasn't already implemented.
Perhaps Corbyn's promise to hold an enquiry into Britain's role in the raid on the Golden Temple in Amritsar, that was in one of the manifestoes.
Well after my daughter having Covid back at the beginning of July whilst at University, this evening my 14 year old son, who has felt rough for the last 24 hours, tested positive. We are booked for a PCR test tomorrow morning.
Talking to my son it seems that at least a quarter of his school have now got or had Covid over the last month. Two of his classmates also tested positive this evening.
Although being double jabbed my wife and I are not required to self isolate, we are going to stay away from people for the next 10 days as we hate the idea we might accidently pass it on.
I am also taking the opportunity to use this as a chance to reiterate to my boy the importance of personal responsibility. He gets it, which is pleasing.
Angela Rayner isn't going to be prime minister after her comments tonight. She may have won support from the left of the Labour Party but swing voters won't take her seriously.
Isn't that what they said about David Lloyd George re: his Limehouse speech?
Comparing Angela Rayner to Lloyd George is like comparing Mr Blobby to Bob Dillon
So DLG was NOT criticized for his verbiage at Limehouse? IIRC plenty of adverse comment at the time, along same lines as expressed by our Andy.
BTW it's Bob Dylan, changed from Zimmerman in honor of Dylan Thomas (also infamous for his "bad" language)
Pedant hat on. @HYUFD is correct. Bob Dillon was one of the pseudonyms he went under before settling on Dylan. Blind Boy Grunt and Elston Gunn being two more. He produces under the name Jack Frost right now.
That will bite him seriously in the arse. It is as incoherent as Corbyns "fully costed Manifesto" 4 page memo that was debunked within about 24 hours in 2017. With added political costs.
1 - Independent schools provide hundreds of million of £££ of of support to local communities, local schools and pupils who would not otherwise make it every year. That accounts for a large chunk of the alleged savings. 2 - Some marginal parents will not be able to afford it. Which drives them back into the state sector. At what cost? All the numbers I have seen make this a loss. 3 - The independent sector is not just - as Starmer seems to think - Eton. It is diverse. I have a relative who was removed from state to independent for several years because the state system could not provide protection from the bullies and appropriate teaching and support. Starmer is attacking this diversirt because of political dogma, penning those victims straight back into the orbit of their bullies and their abusers.
I suspect this is a policy based on imagined dogma and fantasy arithmetic, and that he is stirring up a political tidal wave that will cost him very dearly indeed.
A very, very stupid idea.
I actually agree with parts of this. Removing the assisted places scheme in the late '90s achieved simiarly little, and was actually socially counter-productive. It reminds me of some of New Labour's most mediocre moments of gesture politics, which it used to cover a lack of radicalism in some other areas in its first term, and to sell what was actually a fairly technocratic agenda to its members.
Thanks.
Might submit a header (he said optimistically) - this is one issue that *really* gets me going,
Mr S needs to remember the mauling that was handed to (I think) Michael Foot in politics in 1983 by ISC (?), and then to Suzie Leather Blair's QUANGO Queen, in the Courts, on their misinterpretation of Charity Law.
Given how incoherent it is, he'll get his arse carved into steak tatare.
Early one morning, the sun was shining I was laying in bed Wondering if she'd changed it all If her hair was still red Her folks, they said our lives together Sure was gonna be rough They never did like mama's homemade dress Papa's bankbook wasn't big enough And I was standing on the side of the road Rain falling on my shoes Heading out for the East coast Lord knows I've paid some dues getting through Tangled up in blue
She was married when we first met Soon to be divorced I helped her out of a jam, I guess But I used a little too much force We drove that car as far as we could Abandoned it out West Split up on a dark, sad night Both agreeing it was best She turned around to look at me As I was walking away I heard her say over my shoulder "We'll meet again someday on the Avenue" Tangled up in blue
I had a job in the great North Woods Working as a cook for a spell But I never did like it all that much And one day the ax just fell So I drifted down to New Orleans Where I was happy to be employed Workin' for a while on a fishin' boat Right outside of Delacroix But all the while I was alone The past was close behind I seen a lot of women But she never escaped my mind and I just grew Tangled up in blue
She was working in a topless place And I stopped in for a beer I just kept looking at the sight of her face In the spotlight so clear And later on when the crowd thinned out I's just about to do the same She was standing there in back of my chair Saying, "Don't I know your name?" I muttered something underneath my breath She studied the lines on my face I must admit I felt a little uneasy When she bent down to tie the laces of my shoe Tangled up in blue
She lit a burner on the stove and offered me a pipe "I thought you'd never say hello, " she said "You look like the silent type" Then she opened up a book of poems And handed it to me Written by an Italian poet From the thirteenth century And every one of them words rang true And glowed like burnin' coal Pourin' off of every page Like it was written in my soul from me to you Tangled up in blue
I lived with them on Montague Street In a basement down the stairs There was music in the cafés at night And revolution in the air Then he started into dealing with slaves And something inside of him died She had to sell everything she owned And froze up inside And when finally the bottom fell out I became withdrawn The only thing I knew how to do Was to keep on keepin' on like a bird that flew Tangled up in blue
So now I'm going back again I got to get her somehow All the people we used to know They're an illusion to me now Some are mathematicians Some are carpenters' wives Don't know how it all got started I don't what they do with their lives But me, I'm still on the road Headin' for another joint We always did feel the same We just saw it from a different point of view Tangled up in blue
If anyone ever tells you pronouns don't matter. There are endless live versions of this with different verses, particularly the last, and alternate lyrics. It is a song he hasn't yet finished. But there are ones in which he simply shuffles all the pronouns around. And it becomes a completely different tale entirely.
Interesting to see Canada in mid-table. Housing affordability was a big issue the Tories used to attack Trudeau. Not a patch on ours.
Isn't Canada problem 3-4 cities and your Banffs of the world its gone mental, but still very cheap to live outside of those in the sticks, as loads of land.
Where as the UK, we have seen this across all big cities and towns, plus all these rural areas like Cotswold, Somerset, Devon, Cornwall etc, its easier to talk about where it hasn't i.e. total dives in left behind Northern towns.
@Nadine_Writes Interestingly, while accusing the Tories of being racist, Labour's Deputy leader Angela Rayner reportedly said the Govt is "operating a banana republic”. "Banana republic" is often viewed as a derogatory term, typically used in a racist context.
I would imagine if Labour banned charitable status of private schools, the unintended consequence will be that the charitable work and facility sharing they currently do will be the first thing to go.
And all that would happen is fees up, more rich foreign students, meaning more British kids needing state education and costing the taxpayer more.
So the £1.7bn quickly becomes a hell of a lot less than that.
It seems like one of those things like private health care, even if you are idealogically against, removing it is far from cost free.
To me seems like lot more important things to worry about. Put taxes up on the rich if you want the money for state education.
Blair's removal of the assisted places was instrumental in making these schools even more socially exclusive than they were in the late '90s. It's New Labour at its gestural worst rather than more fresh-thinking, I think. Either you might giant and radical changes to this sector, or you leave it alone.
Obviously it was in the 2019 manifesto as was £10 an hr, banning ZHC, Green New Deal, loft laggers of the world unite.
Be interesting to see if Labour have anything new. Brexit is one thing, but the world is changing fast, we need some serious sensible solutions for the problems both now, but coming down the tracks.
Be more interesting to see if there is anything left from their last 3 manifestoes that Boris hasn't already implemented.
Perhaps Corbyn's promise to hold an enquiry into Britain's role in the raid on the Golden Temple in Amritsar, that was in one of the manifestoes.
Interesting to see Canada in mid-table. Housing affordability was a big issue the Tories used to attack Trudeau. Not a patch on ours.
Isn't Canada problem 3-4 cities and your Banffs of the world its gone mental, but still very cheap to live outside of those in the sticks, as loads of land.
Where as the UK, we have seen this across all big cities and towns, plus all these rural areas like Cotswold, Somerset, Devon, Cornwall etc, its easier to talk about where it hasn't i.e. total dives in left behind Northern towns.
I want to know what they are doing in South Korea. I don't think they have the same deflationary economy as Japan?
Interesting to see Canada in mid-table. Housing affordability was a big issue the Tories used to attack Trudeau. Not a patch on ours.
Isn't Canada problem 3-4 cities and your Banffs of the world its gone mental, but still very cheap to live outside of those in the sticks, as loads of land.
Where as the UK, we have seen this across all big cities and towns, plus all these rural areas like Cotswold, Somerset, Devon, Cornwall etc, its easier to talk about where it hasn't i.e. total dives in left behind Northern towns.
I want to know what they are doing in South Korea. I don't think they have the same deflationary economy as Japan?
If i had to guess it is skewed by large increase in wages due to how fast south korea has developed. Also, isn't it quite common to have a model a bit similar to back in the day in the UK, where a town is a single big employer and the employer builds properties / facilities in order to man the factory.
The lie that there's been no inflation in the past few decades has to be brought down on its knees. There's been inflation, we've just inflated the assets of the landlord class and inflated the costs of everyone else.
Time to reverse that. We need wage inflation, to bring costs back down. Housing costs going up in the past two decades has been every bit as terrible as food or energy costs going up in the 70s and 80s.
Interesting to see Canada in mid-table. Housing affordability was a big issue the Tories used to attack Trudeau. Not a patch on ours.
Isn't Canada problem 3-4 cities and your Banffs of the world its gone mental, but still very cheap to live outside of those in the sticks, as loads of land.
Where as the UK, we have seen this across all big cities and towns, plus all these rural areas like Cotswold, Somerset, Devon, Cornwall etc, its easier to talk about where it hasn't i.e. total dives in left behind Northern towns.
Well indeed. Trouble is, in Canada that's where all the decent jobs are. And the locals are being priced out. BC suffers from being the only place you can be homeless and survive a winter. Course, you can't just live in a timber cottage by a lake and WFH here. But, if you grew up in downtown Vancouver that is equally as alien. And we don't have moose and grizzlies in Gloucestershire. Same shit. Different place.
China is the craziest, 37x salary to get a property....
I swear it could end up like that in the UK and we'd still have people on this site saying that we mustn't build on green space and that there's no inflation in the country so long as CPI remains low . . .
Interesting to see Canada in mid-table. Housing affordability was a big issue the Tories used to attack Trudeau. Not a patch on ours.
Isn't Canada problem 3-4 cities and your Banffs of the world its gone mental, but still very cheap to live outside of those in the sticks, as loads of land.
Where as the UK, we have seen this across all big cities and towns, plus all these rural areas like Cotswold, Somerset, Devon, Cornwall etc, its easier to talk about where it hasn't i.e. total dives in left behind Northern towns.
Well indeed. Trouble is, in Canada that's where all the decent jobs are. And the locals are being priced out. BC suffers from being the only place you can be homeless and survive a winter. Course, you can't just live in a timber cottage by a lake and WFH here. But, if you grew up in downtown Vancouver that is equally as alien. And we don't have moose and grizzlies in Gloucestershire. Same shit. Different place.
That was my point, why the chart is a bit misleading.
The lie that there's been no inflation in the past few decades has to be brought down on its knees. There's been inflation, we've just inflated the assets of the landlord class and inflated the costs of everyone else.
Time to reverse that. We need wage inflation, to bring costs back down. Housing costs going up in the past two decades has been every bit as terrible as food or energy costs going up in the 70s and 80s.
Same shit, different day.
Crumbs. I said same shit different. .. without seeing your post on exactly the topic, but in an entirely different context.
The lie that there's been no inflation in the past few decades has to be brought down on its knees. There's been inflation, we've just inflated the assets of the landlord class and inflated the costs of everyone else.
Time to reverse that. We need wage inflation, to bring costs back down. Housing costs going up in the past two decades has been every bit as terrible as food or energy costs going up in the 70s and 80s.
Same shit, different day.
Crumbs. I said same shit different. .. without seeing your post on exactly the topic, but in an entirely different context.
LOL. I did wonder if you'd read mine. Amusing coincidence, great minds think alike!
China is the craziest, 37x salary to get a property....
I swear it could end up like that in the UK and we'd still have people on this site saying that we mustn't build on green space and that there's no inflation in the country so long as CPI remains low . . .
If we are going to build on green space, it has to be mainly in Scotland, Wales and northern England, not the south and the Midlands.
Government looking for somebody to blame...Interesting though...
The fuel crisis began to snowball last week after comments made by Hanna Hofer, head of BP’s retail business, at a Cabinet Office meeting were leaked. On September 16, Ms Hofer told civil servants, hauliers and other industry figures that the company had ‘two-thirds of normal forecourt stock levels’.
According to a senior Government source, however, she also said the situation had been ‘going on for weeks’ and that very few forecourts had had to close. Crucially, those additional comments – which Government insiders believe would have prevented or at least reduced the panic-buying of fuel – were not made public.
Angela Rayner isn't going to be prime minister after her comments tonight. She may have won support from the left of the Labour Party but swing voters won't take her seriously.
Isn't that what they said about David Lloyd George re: his Limehouse speech?
Comparing Angela Rayner to Lloyd George is like comparing Mr Blobby to Bob Dillon
So DLG was NOT criticized for his verbiage at Limehouse? IIRC plenty of adverse comment at the time, along same lines as expressed by our Andy.
BTW it's Bob Dylan, changed from Zimmerman in honor of Dylan Thomas (also infamous for his "bad" language)
EDIT - is Mr Bloby another known for political invective?
"our Andy". I've never been called that before, lol.
No idea. But at least it hasn't widely reached the stage of screaming abuse at folk for making a personal choice. Let's be British and keep it that way, please.
It's already here. Apparently it's 'moronic' to wear a mask now.
Needless to say, this unwanted advice has not changed my own view one bit.
I've been called "hysterical" by @Anabobazina on this very forum for my views on the need to keep wearing masks. If thats hysterical for the pray the pox away brigade, I can cope.
That’s untrue. I refer to your posts as frequently hysterical, because they are, and also hypocritical, because they are often that too. Nothing to do with masks. I have said several times on here that mask wearing is a personal choice.
Interesting to see Canada in mid-table. Housing affordability was a big issue the Tories used to attack Trudeau. Not a patch on ours.
Isn't Canada problem 3-4 cities and your Banffs of the world its gone mental, but still very cheap to live outside of those in the sticks, as loads of land.
Where as the UK, we have seen this across all big cities and towns, plus all these rural areas like Cotswold, Somerset, Devon, Cornwall etc, its easier to talk about where it hasn't i.e. total dives in left behind Northern towns.
Well indeed. Trouble is, in Canada that's where all the decent jobs are. And the locals are being priced out. BC suffers from being the only place you can be homeless and survive a winter. Course, you can't just live in a timber cottage by a lake and WFH here. But, if you grew up in downtown Vancouver that is equally as alien. And we don't have moose and grizzlies in Gloucestershire. Same shit. Different place.
That was my point, why the chart is a bit misleading.
Ah. OK. Yes you are right. My point was that it was an issue with some cut through even though it didn't really affect the median voter. Whereas it does here, as you say. But it doesn’t seem to be an issue. Other than high prices good.
China is the craziest, 37x salary to get a property....
I swear it could end up like that in the UK and we'd still have people on this site saying that we mustn't build on green space and that there's no inflation in the country so long as CPI remains low . . .
If we are going to build on green space, it has to be mainly in Scotland, Wales and northern England, not the south and the Midlands.
The housing crisis was created by decades of saying "anyone from anywhere can live anywhere they want to".
So the only real solution is to say "anyone from anywhere can build anywhere they want to".
We need homes where people live. Some in the North yes, but I'm afraid to say that people don't only live in the North . . .
@Nadine_Writes Interestingly, while accusing the Tories of being racist, Labour's Deputy leader Angela Rayner reportedly said the Govt is "operating a banana republic”. "Banana republic" is often viewed as a derogatory term, typically used in a racist context.
China is the craziest, 37x salary to get a property....
I swear it could end up like that in the UK and we'd still have people on this site saying that we mustn't build on green space and that there's no inflation in the country so long as CPI remains low . . .
If we are going to build on green space, it has to be mainly in Scotland, Wales and northern England, not the south and the Midlands.
But then you need to have reason to live here. There are plenty, although diminishing, houses which folk don't want. Right now they are being occupied by the homeless from across the nation. Or not at all. Which ain't really levelling up.
@Nadine_Writes Interestingly, while accusing the Tories of being racist, Labour's Deputy leader Angela Rayner reportedly said the Govt is "operating a banana republic”. "Banana republic" is often viewed as a derogatory term, typically used in a racist context.
If anything, the term is anti-American, as it refers to the countries that big American agricultural companies ran as effective fiefdoms, getting Uncle Sam to send the troops in whenever the locals tried to kick back.
Mali's PM told the UN General Assembly that France abandoned his country with a "unilateral" decision to withdraw troops, and his government was justified to "seek other partners" - likely to be Russian paramilitaries
Mali's PM told the UN General Assembly that France abandoned his country with a "unilateral" decision to withdraw troops, and his government was justified to "seek other partners" - likely to be Russian paramilitaries
@NIAbbot: Foreign lorry drivers: please forget all the stuff we said about wanting you to go back to where you came from, we were kidding. As a special offer, we will allow you to come back to help us for a limited period before we tell you to get out again.
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And there's a serious point lurking in there; a risk to the government seeking quick solutions for a dangerous job.
I think most people understand the difference between droning and screaming.
Doing so will make him a political figure in turn, and that will come with attention and reaction that he may not particularly like, but there's not a solitary reason he, or anyone else, should not 'get involved in politics' if they want to. Farooq makes the point most concisely.
Have we actually seen @Leon and Angela Rayner in the same room at the same time?
You've discovered that far-left magic money tree of which we used to hear so much.
But i don't, i used it across sexes and parties, usually relating to when politicians and parties just rant nonsense.
It was totally uncalled for and inaccurate post from Mike.
Fuck you.
Edit: treble fuck you.
And 'Fuck him' is not very gentlemanly, is it?
Bulgaria
£47.18
Romania
£43.30
Lithuania
£28.10
Latvia
£25.49
Czech
£24.50
Slovakia
£24.41
Hungary
£24.31
Estonia
£23.15
Poland
£21.28
Slovenia
£10.82
If HGV drivers get more then that comes from whoever pays for goods to be shipped as part of the shipping costs. It doesn't come from taxpayers, or households, or however you want to artificially relate it back to people, except eventually perhaps in inflation.
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1439225130811539457?s=19
Going for the @Dura_Ace vote, I suppose...
That will bite him seriously in the arse. It is as incoherent as Corbyns "fully costed Manifesto" 4 page memo that was debunked within about 24 hours in 2017. With added political costs.
1 - Independent schools provide hundreds of million of £££ of of support to local communities, local schools and pupils who would not otherwise make
it every year. That accounts for a large chunk of the alleged savings.
2 - Some marginal parents will not be able to afford it. Which drives them back into the state sector. At what cost? All the numbers I have seen make this a loss.
3 - The independent sector is not just - as Starmer seems to think - Eton. It is diverse. I have a relative who was removed from state to independent for several years because the state system could not provide protection from the bullies and appropriate teaching and support. Starmer is attacking this diversirt because of political dogma, penning those victims straight back into the orbit of their bullies and their abusers.
I suspect this is a policy based on imagined dogma and fantasy arithmetic, and that he is stirring up a political tidal wave that will cost him very dearly indeed.
A very, very stupid idea.
Osborne's 2007 IHT cut plan however saw the Tories get a surge in the polls such that Brown cancelled his planned election.
IHT is a very unpopular tax, anyway it is only paid by millionaires now for children of married couples after Osborne's cut
Same as never been accused of racism, homophobia etc.
And I don't think I have even mentioned Rayner very much at all. It was a very odd post from Mike.
Plus some parents give their children money early to help with deposits to buy properties in their 20s and 30s
Somewhere between 3% and 6% is considered full.
Keir is trying hard and appears to have got through some sensible changes to LAB leadership rules today. But the electorate look beyond the leader to the broader team. Good luck with that Labour.
Its not an unheard of term.
BTW it's Bob Dylan, changed from Zimmerman in honor of Dylan Thomas (also infamous for his "bad" language)
EDIT - is Mr Bloby another known for political invective?
And all that would happen is fees up, more rich foreign students, meaning more British kids needing state education and costing the taxpayer more.
So the £1.7bn quickly becomes a hell of a lot less than that.
It seems like one of those things like private health care, even if you are idealogically against, removing it is far from cost free.
To me seems like lot more important things to worry about. Put taxes up on the rich if you want the money for state education.
https://law.marquette.edu/facultyblog/2010/12/did-rock-legend-bob-dylan-steal-his-name-from-packers-legend-bob-dillion/
UK GDP is £2 trillion
UK households ~28mn
Do the maths like you're doing and that means household income of £70,000.
The actual median household income in the UK: £29,900
You need to compare like for like, you can't just artificially assign everything in the UK to households as that's not how the economy works!
Be interesting to see if Labour have anything new. Brexit is one thing, but the world is changing fast, we need some serious sensible solutions for the problems both now, but coming down the tracks.
Labour definitely needs a lot of new ideas, as do all the parties.
TANGLED UP IN BLUE
Bob Dylan
Early one morning, the sun was shining
I was laying in bed
Wondering if she'd changed it all
If her hair was still red
Her folks, they said our lives together
Sure was gonna be rough
They never did like mama's homemade dress
Papa's bankbook wasn't big enough
And I was standing on the side of the road
Rain falling on my shoes
Heading out for the East coast
Lord knows I've paid some dues getting through
Tangled up in blue
She was married when we first met
Soon to be divorced
I helped her out of a jam, I guess
But I used a little too much force
We drove that car as far as we could
Abandoned it out West
Split up on a dark, sad night
Both agreeing it was best
She turned around to look at me
As I was walking away
I heard her say over my shoulder
"We'll meet again someday on the Avenue"
Tangled up in blue
I had a job in the great North Woods
Working as a cook for a spell
But I never did like it all that much
And one day the ax just fell
So I drifted down to New Orleans
Where I was happy to be employed
Workin' for a while on a fishin' boat
Right outside of Delacroix
But all the while I was alone
The past was close behind
I seen a lot of women
But she never escaped my mind and I just grew
Tangled up in blue
She was working in a topless place
And I stopped in for a beer
I just kept looking at the sight of her face
In the spotlight so clear
And later on when the crowd thinned out
I's just about to do the same
She was standing there in back of my chair
Saying, "Don't I know your name?"
I muttered something underneath my breath
She studied the lines on my face
I must admit I felt a little uneasy
When she bent down to tie the laces of my shoe
Tangled up in blue
She lit a burner on the stove and offered me a pipe
"I thought you'd never say hello, " she said
"You look like the silent type"
Then she opened up a book of poems
And handed it to me
Written by an Italian poet
From the thirteenth century
And every one of them words rang true
And glowed like burnin' coal
Pourin' off of every page
Like it was written in my soul from me to you
Tangled up in blue
I lived with them on Montague Street
In a basement down the stairs
There was music in the cafés at night
And revolution in the air
Then he started into dealing with slaves
And something inside of him died
She had to sell everything she owned
And froze up inside
And when finally the bottom fell out
I became withdrawn
The only thing I knew how to do
Was to keep on keepin' on like a bird that flew
Tangled up in blue
So now I'm going back again
I got to get her somehow
All the people we used to know
They're an illusion to me now
Some are mathematicians
Some are carpenters' wives
Don't know how it all got started
I don't what they do with their lives
But me, I'm still on the road
Headin' for another joint
We always did feel the same
We just saw it from a different point of view
Tangled up in blue
Housing affordability was a big issue the Tories used to attack Trudeau. Not a patch on ours.
Talking to my son it seems that at least a quarter of his school have now got or had Covid over the last month. Two of his classmates also tested positive this evening.
Although being double jabbed my wife and I are not required to self isolate, we are going to stay away from people for the next 10 days as we hate the idea we might accidently pass it on.
I am also taking the opportunity to use this as a chance to reiterate to my boy the importance of personal responsibility. He gets it, which is pleasing.
Regardless, I give him my semi-abject, quasi-sincere apology!
Might submit a header (he said optimistically) - this is one issue that *really* gets me going,
Mr S needs to remember the mauling that was handed to (I think) Michael Foot in politics in 1983 by ISC (?), and then to Suzie Leather Blair's QUANGO Queen, in the Courts, on their misinterpretation of Charity Law.
Given how incoherent it is, he'll get his arse carved into steak tatare.
But there are ones in which he simply shuffles all the pronouns around.
And it becomes a completely different tale entirely.
Where as the UK, we have seen this across all big cities and towns, plus all these rural areas like Cotswold, Somerset, Devon, Cornwall etc, its easier to talk about where it hasn't i.e. total dives in left behind Northern towns.
@Nadine_Writes
Interestingly, while accusing the Tories of being racist, Labour's Deputy leader Angela Rayner reportedly said the Govt is "operating a banana republic”. "Banana republic" is often viewed as a derogatory term, typically used in a racist context.
https://twitter.com/Nadine_Writes/status/1441900732073095168
Time to reverse that. We need wage inflation, to bring costs back down. Housing costs going up in the past two decades has been every bit as terrible as food or energy costs going up in the 70s and 80s.
Same shit, different day.
But, if you grew up in downtown Vancouver that is equally as alien. And we don't have moose and grizzlies in Gloucestershire.
Same shit. Different place.
The fuel crisis began to snowball last week after comments made by Hanna Hofer, head of BP’s retail business, at a Cabinet Office meeting were leaked. On September 16, Ms Hofer told civil servants, hauliers and other industry figures that the company had ‘two-thirds of normal forecourt stock levels’.
According to a senior Government source, however, she also said the situation had been ‘going on for weeks’ and that very few forecourts had had to close. Crucially, those additional comments – which Government insiders believe would have prevented or at least reduced the panic-buying of fuel – were not made public.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10028661/HGV-boss-accused-triggering-petrol-pump-crisis-Ministers-point-finger-ex-BBC-man.html
Its bog roll crisis all over again...some limited shortages, get amplified and you get crazy panic buying, leads to widespread shortages.
So the only real solution is to say "anyone from anywhere can build anywhere they want to".
We need homes where people live. Some in the North yes, but I'm afraid to say that people don't only live in the North . . .
Just as well there aren't many of them in Labour!
More seriously did she let the term [TRIGGER WARNING] "women" pass her lips?
I believe "chicks without dicks" may be more acceptable these days...
Which ain't really levelling up.
Absolutely anyone and everyone has the right to free speech. If only the people in power did, that is many things but not democracy.
https://twitter.com/afp/status/1441885472716906497