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  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,774
    High octane match. Great advert for wimmins' tennis.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,830
    dixiedean said:

    tlg86 said:

    Raducanu’s strength is that she pounces on anything slightly short and punishes it.

    Gosh I'm a pervert.
    Thoroughly ashamed I am.
    At least you’re not the poster burbling about her legs, @Pulpstar having beaten you to it!
  • What a return that was by Raducanu. Truly great tennis.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Tonight has been one of the very rare nights where i have successfully bet in-play on a sporting event.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,830
    Fernandez is going to hold here, isn’t she?

    What was that about taking too many risks?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    Feels like Fernandez has had more errors and that may just sneak it.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,979
    Raducanu takes the first set 6-4.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,946
    gealbhan said:

    No lead for Labour in the crucial Oponiumyum. AND ONLY A TEENY DROP FOR THE CONSERVATIVES after the week they have had.
    LAB: 38%
    CON: 38% (-2)
    LDM: 8% (+1)
    GRN: 6% (=)
    SNP: 5% (-1)

    Arch Remainer Starmer can’t win back Red Brex. Labour in trouble at next election. They just weren’t ready for what the Tories were going to do this week to take the chance, Red Brex are back on the Tory Train now.

    Starmer’s blown it!

    You may be right, but please show your workings, otherwise it looks like you are just guessing.
  • RADUCANU takes first set 6-4!
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    Get in!
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Yay
  • Terrific
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,355
    That was brutal stuff.

    They've both turned up. What more can you ask for.
  • RADUCANU!!!!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,830
    ydoethur said:

    Fernandez is going to hold here, isn’t she?

    What was that about taking too many risks?

    I’ve still got it.

    And Fernandez has more miles in her legs than Raducanu - although given her youth that shouldn’t be a fatal problem for her.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    A 1hr set without even getting to tie break says it all really, evenly matched.
  • After the first set:-
    Raducanu 1.23
    Fernandez 5.2
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,982
    edited September 2021
    tlg86 said:

    Raducanu’s strength is that she pounces on anything slightly short and punishes it.

    Has Big Bad John appeared?
  • After the first set:-
    Raducanu 1.23
    Fernandez 5.2

    SPotY 1.34
    US Open 1.23
  • gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362

    gealbhan said:

    No lead for Labour in the crucial Oponiumyum. AND ONLY A TEENY DROP FOR THE CONSERVATIVES after the week they have had.
    LAB: 38%
    CON: 38% (-2)
    LDM: 8% (+1)
    GRN: 6% (=)
    SNP: 5% (-1)

    Arch Remainer Starmer can’t win back Red Brex. Labour in trouble at next election. They just weren’t ready for what the Tories were going to do this week to take the chance, Red Brex are back on the Tory Train now.

    Starmer’s blown it!

    You may be right, but please show your workings, otherwise it looks like you are just guessing.
    Already posted below by carlotta sense.

    I’ll dig them out for you now so the penny can drop for you.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,700
    ydoethur said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    That was brutal stuff.

    They've both turned up. What more can you ask for.

    You’d bloody hope they would at least turn up. Who do you think they are, the Indian cricket team?
    Oh they’ll turn up... at the IPL. Money grabbing shysters.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223
    I think Emma might win this second set comfortably.
  • Not over yet. Her opponent still has a lot to say.....
  • Can Raducanu go all the way from Qualifying without losing a single Set?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    After the first set:-
    Raducanu 1.23
    Fernandez 5.2

    F stonking value
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,830
    edited September 2021
    tlg86 said:

    I think Emma might win this second set comfortably.

    You just had to say that, didn’t you?

    Edit - although that was a lovely set up to win that game.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,420
    ydoethur said:

    dixiedean said:

    tlg86 said:

    Raducanu’s strength is that she pounces on anything slightly short and punishes it.

    Gosh I'm a pervert.
    Thoroughly ashamed I am.
    At least you’re not the poster burbling about her legs, @Pulpstar having beaten you to it!
    They are very long though !
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591

    Muge Cevik
    @mugecevik
    ·
    1h
    It’s very irresponsible reporting the number of cases among vaccinated without mentioning the baseline vaccination rates. Your QTs are full of people, who think vaccines don’t work.
    Well done @itvnews

    Wait until they find out how many car crash fatalities were wearing seatbelts!
    I was going to say cycle accidents and helmets, but people do actually still debate that one apparently.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,830
    Pulpstar said:

    ydoethur said:

    dixiedean said:

    tlg86 said:

    Raducanu’s strength is that she pounces on anything slightly short and punishes it.

    Gosh I'm a pervert.
    Thoroughly ashamed I am.
    At least you’re not the poster burbling about her legs, @Pulpstar having beaten you to it!
    They are very long though !
    I would advise you to leave the obsessing about teenage girls’ legs to SeanT…
  • IshmaelZ said:

    After the first set:-
    Raducanu 1.23
    Fernandez 5.2

    F stonking value
    Fernandez out to 6. A surprisingly thin market though.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223
    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    I think Emma might win this second set comfortably.

    You just had to say that, didn’t you?

    Edit - although that was a lovely set up to win that game.
    Fernandez was hanging on for dear life in that first set. Mentally it takes a lot of a player.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,874
    Just had another £20 at 7/1. Am I a gambling addict now?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,946
    tlg86 said:

    I think Emma might win this second set comfortably.

    Now you've said that I will put a wad on Fernandez.
  • gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362

    gealbhan said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    gealbhan said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So who will be watching Last Night of the Proms tonight? Someone's got to make sure all the old songs are still there while the rest of us watch the tennis. You'd think Channel 4 would have splashed it on their website but no.

    Let’s hope somebody is, choleric EU flag count by the Gammons has become a fine tradition.
    As is, equally, a hand wringing series of articles in the guardian saying ‘how can we let this jingoistic Rule Britannia nonsense go on’

    ......
    The guardian publishes this wank because their idiot readers lap it up. Every year. Without fail. I
    I haven't seen anything on it in the Guardian today. Could you direct me to it?
    It worries me that you’re a doctor. You’re not the brightest


    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/sep/10/rewrite-rule-britannia-what-would-you-do-with-the-last-night-of-the-proms?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
    Jersulem also stolen from the intention of the original prose, nor is it remotely as good or as patriotic as Parry’s blessed pair, thanks to fact Jerusalem not a real hymn, so we can swap that out for a change and have a far better prom.

    .
    Jerusalem is an exceptionally great poem.
    Jerusalem is remarkable for being claimed by both right and left -- as a paean to England and to socialism.
    “ paean … and to socialism. “

    Absolutely none of it is paean to Socialism. Which bit were you thinking of?
    Dark satanic mills ... building the new Jerusalem.
    the one reference to a mill dark and satanic is poetic reference to an actual mill gutted by fire standing between a poet’s home and his bread shop – possibly gutted in industrial dispute over pay. Blake believed in hell, to him this ruin looked like hell had visited it. This is what poets do.

    It’s not written as a hymn called Jerusalem - who said it was, it’s preamble to Milton.
    the reference to Jerusalem is Blake’s genuine belief Jesus and Joseph were building a bit of Jerusalem here. They were here, it may have been more than business, they may have been looking for a bolt hole if the sectarian war got much worse. As it proved, despite being on the leadership council, Joseph couldn’t stop them getting Jesus bumped off.

    As an historical person Jesus is certainly not wholly owned by Christianity. Not that his own religion cares to make much fuss of him. He was a Jew, called Yeshua, likely born into an extended family with Hellenised (Greek influenced) views, so possible but not certain he may have heard the Greek words Jesus and Christ in his lifetime. Why is Christianity so Greek? It was a language most widely used, so Romans utilised Greek to promote their empire, that was essentially a commercial project. The language of the Roman Empire was Greek. The first Christian documents, those of Paul, were written in Greek whilst in Greece. In the sectarian make up of Judea at the time of Yeshua’s birth there is likely to have been contention between Hellenised Jews, looking to adopt Greek Platonic philosophy along with the Torah, versus Orthodox Jews, such as the Pharisee, opposing this approach. So a child born not just into a family of wealth, religious and political leadership, but born moreover into sectarian disagreement.

    Before the time of his ministry there is something like a “gap year” about a decade and a half little evidence what young Yeshua was up to, other than he was associate of Joseph of Arimathea - this is someone who may have been Yeshua’s relative such as his Mother’s Uncle, for the considerate in loco parentis he showed Yoshua throughout remainder of his life and death we can call him Uncle. Uncle Joseph was a wealthy Rabbi, with trading links around the Mediterranean, Europe including Britain, also worked on building projects in pursuit of “the kingdom”. He may have been an Essenes - the sect who wrote the Dead Sea scrolls. It’s widely documented Joseph swapped the sunny skies of Judea for our clouded hills and pastures green at least once, he died at Glastonbury. And not simply in exile or mission, its possible for someone with his wealth and business links he owned the settlement and the surrounding lands.

    Blake enthusiastically researched the oral history’s of Britain, Europe and the Mediterranean looking for and finding correlating evidence for Yeshua’s visit to Britain.

    In the poets mind it was literal. You are projecting. And wrong.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,468
    edited September 2021

    IshmaelZ said:

    After the first set:-
    Raducanu 1.23
    Fernandez 5.2

    F stonking value
    Fernandez out to 6. A surprisingly thin market though.
    LOL I've just realised there are two markets and she is even longer on the match compared with the outright. Am I missing something because there really should not be any difference?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,830
    edited September 2021
    tlg86 said:

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    I think Emma might win this second set comfortably.

    You just had to say that, didn’t you?

    Edit - although that was a lovely set up to win that game.
    Fernandez was hanging on for dear life in that first set. Mentally it takes a lot of a player.
    So much so that she’s just fought back to deuce win the game from 0-40 down on serve again.

    She’s tough.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223
    That was some hold by Fernandez.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,355
    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    I think Emma might win this second set comfortably.

    You just had to say that, didn’t you?

    Edit - although that was a lovely set up to win that game.
    Fernandez was hanging on for dear life in that first set. Mentally it takes a lot of a player.
    So much so that she’s just fought back to deuce from 0-40 down on serve again.

    She’s tough.
    Fernandez lost opening sets to both Kerber and Osaka.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,830
    Pro_Rata said:

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    I think Emma might win this second set comfortably.

    You just had to say that, didn’t you?

    Edit - although that was a lovely set up to win that game.
    Fernandez was hanging on for dear life in that first set. Mentally it takes a lot of a player.
    So much so that she’s just fought back to deuce from 0-40 down on serve again.

    She’s tough.
    Fernandez lost opening sets to both Kerber and Osaka.
    Didn’t she save match points in a couple of rounds as well?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,830
    tlg86 said:

    That was some hold by Fernandez.

    I’m blaming you for this.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,468
    edited September 2021
    gealbhan said:

    gealbhan said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    gealbhan said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So who will be watching Last Night of the Proms tonight? Someone's got to make sure all the old songs are still there while the rest of us watch the tennis. You'd think Channel 4 would have splashed it on their website but no.

    Let’s hope somebody is, choleric EU flag count by the Gammons has become a fine tradition.
    As is, equally, a hand wringing series of articles in the guardian saying ‘how can we let this jingoistic Rule Britannia nonsense go on’

    ......
    The guardian publishes this wank because their idiot readers lap it up. Every year. Without fail. I
    I haven't seen anything on it in the Guardian today. Could you direct me to it?
    It worries me that you’re a doctor. You’re not the brightest


    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/sep/10/rewrite-rule-britannia-what-would-you-do-with-the-last-night-of-the-proms?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
    Jersulem also stolen from the intention of the original prose, nor is it remotely as good or as patriotic as Parry’s blessed pair, thanks to fact Jerusalem not a real hymn, so we can swap that out for a change and have a far better prom.

    .
    Jerusalem is an exceptionally great poem.
    Jerusalem is remarkable for being claimed by both right and left -- as a paean to England and to socialism.
    “ paean … and to socialism. “

    Absolutely none of it is paean to Socialism. Which bit were you thinking of?
    Dark satanic mills ... building the new Jerusalem.
    the one reference to a mill dark and satanic is poetic reference to an actual mill gutted by fire standing between a poet’s home and his bread shop – possibly gutted in industrial dispute over pay. Blake believed in hell, to him this ruin looked like hell had visited it. This is what poets do.

    It’s not written as a hymn called Jerusalem - who said it was, it’s preamble to Milton.
    the reference to Jerusalem is Blake’s genuine belief Jesus and Joseph were building a bit of Jerusalem here. They were here, it may have been more than business, they may have been looking for a bolt hole if the sectarian war got much worse. As it proved, despite being on the leadership council, Joseph couldn’t stop them getting Jesus bumped off.

    As an historical person Jesus is certainly not wholly owned by Christianity. Not that his own religion cares to make much fuss of him. He was a Jew, called Yeshua, likely born into an extended family with Hellenised (Greek influenced) views, so possible but not certain he may have heard the Greek words Jesus and Christ in his lifetime. Why is Christianity so Greek? It was a language most widely used, so Romans utilised Greek to promote their empire, that was essentially a commercial project. The language of the Roman Empire was Greek. The first Christian documents, those of Paul, were written in Greek whilst in Greece. In the sectarian make up of Judea at the time of Yeshua’s birth there is likely to have been contention between Hellenised Jews, looking to adopt Greek Platonic philosophy along with the Torah, versus Orthodox Jews, such as the Pharisee, opposing this approach. So a child born not just into a family of wealth, religious and political leadership, but born moreover into sectarian disagreement.

    Before the time of his ministry there is something like a “gap year” about a decade and a half little evidence what young Yeshua was up to, other than he was associate of Joseph of Arimathea - this is someone who may have been Yeshua’s relative such as his Mother’s Uncle, for the considerate in loco parentis he showed Yoshua throughout remainder of his life and death we can call him Uncle. Uncle Joseph was a wealthy Rabbi, with trading links around the Mediterranean, Europe including Britain, also worked on building projects in pursuit of “the kingdom”. He may have been an Essenes - the sect who wrote the Dead Sea scrolls. It’s widely documented Joseph swapped the sunny skies of Judea for our clouded hills and pastures green at least once, he died at Glastonbury. And not simply in exile or mission, its possible for someone with his wealth and business links he owned the settlement and the surrounding lands.

    Blake enthusiastically researched the oral history’s of Britain, Europe and the Mediterranean looking for and finding correlating evidence for Yeshua’s visit to Britain.

    In the poets mind it was literal. You are projecting. And wrong.
    The Labour Party sings Jerusalem. As I said, it is claimed by both sides.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--dfp4b6akU
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,946
    gealbhan said:

    gealbhan said:

    No lead for Labour in the crucial Oponiumyum. AND ONLY A TEENY DROP FOR THE CONSERVATIVES after the week they have had.
    LAB: 38%
    CON: 38% (-2)
    LDM: 8% (+1)
    GRN: 6% (=)
    SNP: 5% (-1)

    Arch Remainer Starmer can’t win back Red Brex. Labour in trouble at next election. They just weren’t ready for what the Tories were going to do this week to take the chance, Red Brex are back on the Tory Train now.

    Starmer’s blown it!

    You may be right, but please show your workings, otherwise it looks like you are just guessing.
    Already posted below by carlotta sense.

    I’ll dig them out for you now so the penny can drop for you.
    Very little of what Carlotta posts makes sense to me!

    For what it is worth I believe the Conservatives are odds on for an albeit reduced majority in 2024. However the polls have suggested over the last few days that a handful of their percentage point support is rather soft.

    My view has always been what happens to the post Brexit, post Covid economy. If it bombs Johnson is on his way to earning millions per night on the US after dinner circuit. If it booms he remains in Prime Ministerial penury.

    If the economy bombs Starmer being in Nippy's pocket will be less of an issue.
  • Reports PCR travel tests to be dropped for vaxxed:

    https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1436804678470316032?s=20
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,830
    What’s the penalty for @tlg86 ? Twelve months on ConHome?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,138
    edited September 2021
    kle4 said:

    Muge Cevik
    @mugecevik
    ·
    1h
    It’s very irresponsible reporting the number of cases among vaccinated without mentioning the baseline vaccination rates. Your QTs are full of people, who think vaccines don’t work.
    Well done @itvnews

    Wait until they find out how many car crash fatalities were wearing seatbelts!
    I was going to say cycle accidents and helmets, but people do actually still debate that one apparently.
    Peston's crap is still up on itv news website.

    Edit: And appears to be the most read story.

  • gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362
    gealbhan said:

    gealbhan said:

    No lead for Labour in the crucial Oponiumyum. AND ONLY A TEENY DROP FOR THE CONSERVATIVES after the week they have had.
    LAB: 38%
    CON: 38% (-2)
    LDM: 8% (+1)
    GRN: 6% (=)
    SNP: 5% (-1)

    Arch Remainer Starmer can’t win back Red Brex. Labour in trouble at next election. They just weren’t ready for what the Tories were going to do this week to take the chance, Red Brex are back on the Tory Train now.

    Starmer’s blown it!

    You may be right, but please show your workings, otherwise it looks like you are just guessing.
    Already posted below by carlotta sense.

    I’ll dig them out for you now so the penny can drop for you.
    This mid term is a disaster for Labour and Starmer, just not getting Red Brex back on board.

    Ignore the headlines, or any leads under about 15%, con to d/k is switchback

    Cons not switching to Lab in big numbers:

    What would 2019 Conservative voters do now?(Compared to 13th May, the peak of the Tory vaccine bounce)

    Stick with the Tories: 66% (-16)
    Switch to Labour: 5% (+2)
    Switch to other parties: 10% (+5)
    Undecided about how they would vote: 18% (+8)

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1436766744056524800?s=20
  • Ouch! Could be a 3-setter!

  • Rachel Clarke
    @doctor_oxford
    ·
    11m
    This simply isn’t good enough,
    @itvnews
    . Inaccurate, high profile stories like this fuel vaccine hesitancy.

    You have no idea how utterly wretched it is to care for unvaccinated patients as they die from Covid - whose lives need not have been lost.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Fernandez hit @12

    If you knew what you were doing in-play betting would be some easy money.

  • ITV News
    @itvnews
    Replying to
    @itvnews
    We’ve updated an earlier version of this article with a new headline.
  • Wow what a shot!
  • ydoethur said:

    What’s the penalty for @tlg86 ? Twelve months on ConHome?

    A shame parade.


  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223
    ydoethur said:

    What’s the penalty for @tlg86 ? Twelve months on ConHome?

    Stop wetting yourself. She’s got this under control.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,830
    edited September 2021
    Thank you @tlg86 for keeping your mouth shut and letting matters improve.

    One thing that is notable is that serving isn’t the usual decisive advantage. It’s as though the other is returning in ways they don’t quite expect and they don’t know how to handle it.
  • Immediately broken back, 2-2

  • PMSL 😂😂😂
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,830
    tlg86 said:

    ydoethur said:

    What’s the penalty for @tlg86 ? Twelve months on ConHome?

    Stop wetting yourself. She’s got this under control.
    Spoke too soon…
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,946
    ydoethur said:

    What’s the penalty for @tlg86 ? Twelve months on ConHome?

    That is Priti Patel level restorative justice!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,420
    Can't see Fernández winning from here
  • She is a bit good, like.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,830

    ydoethur said:

    What’s the penalty for @tlg86 ? Twelve months on ConHome?

    That is Priti Patel level restorative justice!
    I thought about ‘explaining basic maths to Hyufd’ but I thought that would be a trifle unfair.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,830

    She is a bit good, like.

    Which she?
  • She is making it look easy.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,207
    ydoethur said:

    dixiedean said:

    tlg86 said:

    Raducanu’s strength is that she pounces on anything slightly short and punishes it.

    Gosh I'm a pervert.
    Thoroughly ashamed I am.
    At least you’re not the poster burbling about her legs, @Pulpstar having beaten you to it!
    I quite like Fernandez's little dance with every serve.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    edited September 2021
    Interesting that both players have had lots of break points, but taken far less of them compared to their average thus far in the tournament - that's battling tennis.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,830
    WHAT A WINNER TO BREAK!
  • 4-2 second set
  • COME ON!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,685
    edited September 2021

    gealbhan said:

    gealbhan said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    gealbhan said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So who will be watching Last Night of the Proms tonight? Someone's got to make sure all the old songs are still there while the rest of us watch the tennis. You'd think Channel 4 would have splashed it on their website but no.

    Let’s hope somebody is, choleric EU flag count by the Gammons has become a fine tradition.
    As is, equally, a hand wringing series of articles in the guardian saying ‘how can we let this jingoistic Rule Britannia nonsense go on’

    ......
    The guardian publishes this wank because their idiot readers lap it up. Every year. Without fail. I
    I haven't seen anything on it in the Guardian today. Could you direct me to it?
    It worries me that you’re a doctor. You’re not the brightest


    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/sep/10/rewrite-rule-britannia-what-would-you-do-with-the-last-night-of-the-proms?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
    Jersulem also stolen from the intention of the original prose, nor is it remotely as good or as patriotic as Parry’s blessed pair, thanks to fact Jerusalem not a real hymn, so we can swap that out for a change and have a far better prom.

    .
    Jerusalem is an exceptionally great poem.
    Jerusalem is remarkable for being claimed by both right and left -- as a paean to England and to socialism.
    “ paean … and to socialism. “

    Absolutely none of it is paean to Socialism. Which bit were you thinking of?
    Dark satanic mills ... building the new Jerusalem.
    the one reference to a mill dark and satanic is poetic reference to an actual mill gutted by fire standing between a poet’s home and his bread shop – possibly gutted in industrial dispute over pay. Blake believed in hell, to him this ruin looked like hell had visited it. This is what poets do.

    It’s not written as a hymn called Jerusalem - who said it was, it’s preamble to Milton.
    the reference to Jerusalem is Blake’s genuine belief Jesus and Joseph were building a bit of Jerusalem here. They were here, it may have been more than business, they may have been looking for a bolt hole if the sectarian war got much worse. As it proved, despite being on the leadership council, Joseph couldn’t stop them getting Jesus bumped off.

    As an historical person Jesus is certainly not wholly owned by Christianity. Not that his own religion cares to make much fuss of him. He was a Jew, called Yeshua, likely born into an extended family with Hellenised (Greek influenced) views, so possible but not certain he may have heard the Greek words Jesus and Christ in his lifetime. Why is Christianity so Greek? It was a language most widely used, so Romans utilised Greek to promote their empire, that was essentially a commercial project. The language of the Roman Empire was Greek. The first Christian documents, those of Paul, were written in Greek whilst in Greece. In the sectarian make up of Judea at the time of Yeshua’s birth there is likely to have been contention between Hellenised Jews, looking to adopt Greek Platonic philosophy along with the Torah, versus Orthodox Jews, such as the Pharisee, opposing this approach. So a child born not just into a family of wealth, religious and political leadership, but born moreover into sectarian disagreement.

    Before the time of his ministry there is something like a “gap year” about a decade and a half little evidence what young Yeshua was up to, other than he was associate of Joseph of Arimathea - this is someone who may have been Yeshua’s relative such as his Mother’s Uncle, for the considerate in loco parentis he showed Yoshua throughout remainder of his life and death we can call him Uncle. Uncle Joseph was a wealthy Rabbi, with trading links around the Mediterranean, Europe including Britain, also worked on building projects in pursuit of “the kingdom”. He may have been an Essenes - the sect who wrote the Dead Sea scrolls. It’s widely documented Joseph swapped the sunny skies of Judea for our clouded hills and pastures green at least once, he died at Glastonbury. And not simply in exile or mission, its possible for someone with his wealth and business links he owned the settlement and the surrounding lands.

    Blake enthusiastically researched the oral history’s of Britain, Europe and the Mediterranean looking for and finding correlating evidence for Yeshua’s visit to Britain.

    In the poets mind it was literal. You are projecting. And wrong.
    The Labour Party sings Jerusalem. As I said, it is claimed by both sides.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--dfp4b6akU
    For me, and bearing in mind I am really not a fan of socialism at all, I think it is ridiculous to claim that it belongs to one side or another. It is a poem/song about hope and striving for a better country. That belongs to all mainstream political parties - or should anyway. I love Jerusalem for its poignancy and it is a million times better as a song and a tune than, for example, Rule Britannia.
    Hear, hear: I am a fan of neither socialism, nor organized religion, but Jerusalem is a beautiful poem, and a very complex piece of music.

    And it doesn't belong to anyone.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    What’s the penalty for @tlg86 ? Twelve months on ConHome?

    That is Priti Patel level restorative justice!
    I thought about ‘explaining basic maths to Hyufd’ but I thought that would be a trifle unfair.
    There has to be some possibility of redemption in the process.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,979
    I didn't know until now that Virginia Wade won the US Open in 1968, the last time a UK player was in the final.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,830
    rcs1000 said:

    gealbhan said:

    gealbhan said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    gealbhan said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So who will be watching Last Night of the Proms tonight? Someone's got to make sure all the old songs are still there while the rest of us watch the tennis. You'd think Channel 4 would have splashed it on their website but no.

    Let’s hope somebody is, choleric EU flag count by the Gammons has become a fine tradition.
    As is, equally, a hand wringing series of articles in the guardian saying ‘how can we let this jingoistic Rule Britannia nonsense go on’

    ......
    The guardian publishes this wank because their idiot readers lap it up. Every year. Without fail. I
    I haven't seen anything on it in the Guardian today. Could you direct me to it?
    It worries me that you’re a doctor. You’re not the brightest


    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/sep/10/rewrite-rule-britannia-what-would-you-do-with-the-last-night-of-the-proms?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
    Jersulem also stolen from the intention of the original prose, nor is it remotely as good or as patriotic as Parry’s blessed pair, thanks to fact Jerusalem not a real hymn, so we can swap that out for a change and have a far better prom.

    .
    Jerusalem is an exceptionally great poem.
    Jerusalem is remarkable for being claimed by both right and left -- as a paean to England and to socialism.
    “ paean … and to socialism. “

    Absolutely none of it is paean to Socialism. Which bit were you thinking of?
    Dark satanic mills ... building the new Jerusalem.
    the one reference to a mill dark and satanic is poetic reference to an actual mill gutted by fire standing between a poet’s home and his bread shop – possibly gutted in industrial dispute over pay. Blake believed in hell, to him this ruin looked like hell had visited it. This is what poets do.

    It’s not written as a hymn called Jerusalem - who said it was, it’s preamble to Milton.
    the reference to Jerusalem is Blake’s genuine belief Jesus and Joseph were building a bit of Jerusalem here. They were here, it may have been more than business, they may have been looking for a bolt hole if the sectarian war got much worse. As it proved, despite being on the leadership council, Joseph couldn’t stop them getting Jesus bumped off.

    As an historical person Jesus is certainly not wholly owned by Christianity. Not that his own religion cares to make much fuss of him. He was a Jew, called Yeshua, likely born into an extended family with Hellenised (Greek influenced) views, so possible but not certain he may have heard the Greek words Jesus and Christ in his lifetime. Why is Christianity so Greek? It was a language most widely used, so Romans utilised Greek to promote their empire, that was essentially a commercial project. The language of the Roman Empire was Greek. The first Christian documents, those of Paul, were written in Greek whilst in Greece. In the sectarian make up of Judea at the time of Yeshua’s birth there is likely to have been contention between Hellenised Jews, looking to adopt Greek Platonic philosophy along with the Torah, versus Orthodox Jews, such as the Pharisee, opposing this approach. So a child born not just into a family of wealth, religious and political leadership, but born moreover into sectarian disagreement.

    Before the time of his ministry there is something like a “gap year” about a decade and a half little evidence what young Yeshua was up to, other than he was associate of Joseph of Arimathea - this is someone who may have been Yeshua’s relative such as his Mother’s Uncle, for the considerate in loco parentis he showed Yoshua throughout remainder of his life and death we can call him Uncle. Uncle Joseph was a wealthy Rabbi, with trading links around the Mediterranean, Europe including Britain, also worked on building projects in pursuit of “the kingdom”. He may have been an Essenes - the sect who wrote the Dead Sea scrolls. It’s widely documented Joseph swapped the sunny skies of Judea for our clouded hills and pastures green at least once, he died at Glastonbury. And not simply in exile or mission, its possible for someone with his wealth and business links he owned the settlement and the surrounding lands.

    Blake enthusiastically researched the oral history’s of Britain, Europe and the Mediterranean looking for and finding correlating evidence for Yeshua’s visit to Britain.

    In the poets mind it was literal. You are projecting. And wrong.
    The Labour Party sings Jerusalem. As I said, it is claimed by both sides.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--dfp4b6akU
    For me, and bearing in mind I am really not a fan of socialism at all, I think it is ridiculous to claim that it belongs to one side or another. It is a poem/song about hope and striving for a better country. That belongs to all mainstream political parties - or should anyway. I love Jerusalem for its poignancy and it is a million times better as a song and a tune than, for example, Rule Britannia.
    Hear, hear: I am a fan of neither socialism, nor organized religion, but Jerusalem is a beautiful poem, and a very complex piece of music.
    It’s just too damn hard on my organ.
  • 5-2 OMG!!
  • ydoethur said:

    She is a bit good, like.

    Which she?
    Well I'm not supporting the Canadian!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,979

    She is making it look easy.

    She certainly is.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Can't see Fernández winning from here

    30 on Betfair.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,830

    5-2 OMG!!

    Fernandez is capable of coming back. She’s done it before to some very fine players int his tournament.

    But - you have to say she is now up against it. It’s no chances tennis.
  • One game away. Come on Radacanu!

    She is phenomenal.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    I never cause a spoiling, but IF it ends 6-4, 6-2/3 it will look easier than it was.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,830

    ydoethur said:

    She is a bit good, like.

    Which she?
    Well I'm not supporting the Canadian!
    That doesn’t narrow it down :smile:
  • Pulpstar said:

    Can't see Fernández winning from here

    30 on Betfair.
    That's probably fair at 5-2 and a set down.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    She is a bit good, like.

    Which she?
    Well I'm not supporting the Canadian!
    That doesn’t narrow it down :smile:
    I do like her twitter bio, which just says

    london|toronto|shenyang|bucharest
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,830
    Do they check the ball for snow after that point?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,946
    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    gealbhan said:

    gealbhan said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    gealbhan said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So who will be watching Last Night of the Proms tonight? Someone's got to make sure all the old songs are still there while the rest of us watch the tennis. You'd think Channel 4 would have splashed it on their website but no.

    Let’s hope somebody is, choleric EU flag count by the Gammons has become a fine tradition.
    As is, equally, a hand wringing series of articles in the guardian saying ‘how can we let this jingoistic Rule Britannia nonsense go on’

    ......
    The guardian publishes this wank because their idiot readers lap it up. Every year. Without fail. I
    I haven't seen anything on it in the Guardian today. Could you direct me to it?
    It worries me that you’re a doctor. You’re not the brightest


    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/sep/10/rewrite-rule-britannia-what-would-you-do-with-the-last-night-of-the-proms?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
    Jersulem also stolen from the intention of the original prose, nor is it remotely as good or as patriotic as Parry’s blessed pair, thanks to fact Jerusalem not a real hymn, so we can swap that out for a change and have a far better prom.

    .
    Jerusalem is an exceptionally great poem.
    Jerusalem is remarkable for being claimed by both right and left -- as a paean to England and to socialism.
    “ paean … and to socialism. “

    Absolutely none of it is paean to Socialism. Which bit were you thinking of?
    Dark satanic mills ... building the new Jerusalem.
    the one reference to a mill dark and satanic is poetic reference to an actual mill gutted by fire standing between a poet’s home and his bread shop – possibly gutted in industrial dispute over pay. Blake believed in hell, to him this ruin looked like hell had visited it. This is what poets do.

    It’s not written as a hymn called Jerusalem - who said it was, it’s preamble to Milton.
    the reference to Jerusalem is Blake’s genuine belief Jesus and Joseph were building a bit of Jerusalem here. They were here, it may have been more than business, they may have been looking for a bolt hole if the sectarian war got much worse. As it proved, despite being on the leadership council, Joseph couldn’t stop them getting Jesus bumped off.

    As an historical person Jesus is certainly not wholly owned by Christianity. Not that his own religion cares to make much fuss of him. He was a Jew, called Yeshua, likely born into an extended family with Hellenised (Greek influenced) views, so possible but not certain he may have heard the Greek words Jesus and Christ in his lifetime. Why is Christianity so Greek? It was a language most widely used, so Romans utilised Greek to promote their empire, that was essentially a commercial project. The language of the Roman Empire was Greek. The first Christian documents, those of Paul, were written in Greek whilst in Greece. In the sectarian make up of Judea at the time of Yeshua’s birth there is likely to have been contention between Hellenised Jews, looking to adopt Greek Platonic philosophy along with the Torah, versus Orthodox Jews, such as the Pharisee, opposing this approach. So a child born not just into a family of wealth, religious and political leadership, but born moreover into sectarian disagreement.

    Before the time of his ministry there is something like a “gap year” about a decade and a half little evidence what young Yeshua was up to, other than he was associate of Joseph of Arimathea - this is someone who may have been Yeshua’s relative such as his Mother’s Uncle, for the considerate in loco parentis he showed Yoshua throughout remainder of his life and death we can call him Uncle. Uncle Joseph was a wealthy Rabbi, with trading links around the Mediterranean, Europe including Britain, also worked on building projects in pursuit of “the kingdom”. He may have been an Essenes - the sect who wrote the Dead Sea scrolls. It’s widely documented Joseph swapped the sunny skies of Judea for our clouded hills and pastures green at least once, he died at Glastonbury. And not simply in exile or mission, its possible for someone with his wealth and business links he owned the settlement and the surrounding lands.

    Blake enthusiastically researched the oral history’s of Britain, Europe and the Mediterranean looking for and finding correlating evidence for Yeshua’s visit to Britain.

    In the poets mind it was literal. You are projecting. And wrong.
    The Labour Party sings Jerusalem. As I said, it is claimed by both sides.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--dfp4b6akU
    For me, and bearing in mind I am really not a fan of socialism at all, I think it is ridiculous to claim that it belongs to one side or another. It is a poem/song about hope and striving for a better country. That belongs to all mainstream political parties - or should anyway. I love Jerusalem for its poignancy and it is a million times better as a song and a tune than, for example, Rule Britannia.
    Hear, hear: I am a fan of neither socialism, nor organized religion, but Jerusalem is a beautiful poem, and a very complex piece of music.
    It’s just too damn hard on my organ.
    Are you channelling TSE now ? Ooh arr Mrs!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,979
    Match point.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223
    kle4 said:

    I never cause a spoiling, but IF it ends 6-4, 6-2/3 it will look easier than it was.

    That’s the most impressive thing. This was easily her hardest match, and was my worry for her. But this has been a sensational performance.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,830

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    gealbhan said:

    gealbhan said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    gealbhan said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So who will be watching Last Night of the Proms tonight? Someone's got to make sure all the old songs are still there while the rest of us watch the tennis. You'd think Channel 4 would have splashed it on their website but no.

    Let’s hope somebody is, choleric EU flag count by the Gammons has become a fine tradition.
    As is, equally, a hand wringing series of articles in the guardian saying ‘how can we let this jingoistic Rule Britannia nonsense go on’

    ......
    The guardian publishes this wank because their idiot readers lap it up. Every year. Without fail. I
    I haven't seen anything on it in the Guardian today. Could you direct me to it?
    It worries me that you’re a doctor. You’re not the brightest


    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/sep/10/rewrite-rule-britannia-what-would-you-do-with-the-last-night-of-the-proms?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
    Jersulem also stolen from the intention of the original prose, nor is it remotely as good or as patriotic as Parry’s blessed pair, thanks to fact Jerusalem not a real hymn, so we can swap that out for a change and have a far better prom.

    .
    Jerusalem is an exceptionally great poem.
    Jerusalem is remarkable for being claimed by both right and left -- as a paean to England and to socialism.
    “ paean … and to socialism. “

    Absolutely none of it is paean to Socialism. Which bit were you thinking of?
    Dark satanic mills ... building the new Jerusalem.
    the one reference to a mill dark and satanic is poetic reference to an actual mill gutted by fire standing between a poet’s home and his bread shop – possibly gutted in industrial dispute over pay. Blake believed in hell, to him this ruin looked like hell had visited it. This is what poets do.

    It’s not written as a hymn called Jerusalem - who said it was, it’s preamble to Milton.
    the reference to Jerusalem is Blake’s genuine belief Jesus and Joseph were building a bit of Jerusalem here. They were here, it may have been more than business, they may have been looking for a bolt hole if the sectarian war got much worse. As it proved, despite being on the leadership council, Joseph couldn’t stop them getting Jesus bumped off.

    As an historical person Jesus is certainly not wholly owned by Christianity. Not that his own religion cares to make much fuss of him. He was a Jew, called Yeshua, likely born into an extended family with Hellenised (Greek influenced) views, so possible but not certain he may have heard the Greek words Jesus and Christ in his lifetime. Why is Christianity so Greek? It was a language most widely used, so Romans utilised Greek to promote their empire, that was essentially a commercial project. The language of the Roman Empire was Greek. The first Christian documents, those of Paul, were written in Greek whilst in Greece. In the sectarian make up of Judea at the time of Yeshua’s birth there is likely to have been contention between Hellenised Jews, looking to adopt Greek Platonic philosophy along with the Torah, versus Orthodox Jews, such as the Pharisee, opposing this approach. So a child born not just into a family of wealth, religious and political leadership, but born moreover into sectarian disagreement.

    Before the time of his ministry there is something like a “gap year” about a decade and a half little evidence what young Yeshua was up to, other than he was associate of Joseph of Arimathea - this is someone who may have been Yeshua’s relative such as his Mother’s Uncle, for the considerate in loco parentis he showed Yoshua throughout remainder of his life and death we can call him Uncle. Uncle Joseph was a wealthy Rabbi, with trading links around the Mediterranean, Europe including Britain, also worked on building projects in pursuit of “the kingdom”. He may have been an Essenes - the sect who wrote the Dead Sea scrolls. It’s widely documented Joseph swapped the sunny skies of Judea for our clouded hills and pastures green at least once, he died at Glastonbury. And not simply in exile or mission, its possible for someone with his wealth and business links he owned the settlement and the surrounding lands.

    Blake enthusiastically researched the oral history’s of Britain, Europe and the Mediterranean looking for and finding correlating evidence for Yeshua’s visit to Britain.

    In the poets mind it was literal. You are projecting. And wrong.
    The Labour Party sings Jerusalem. As I said, it is claimed by both sides.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--dfp4b6akU
    For me, and bearing in mind I am really not a fan of socialism at all, I think it is ridiculous to claim that it belongs to one side or another. It is a poem/song about hope and striving for a better country. That belongs to all mainstream political parties - or should anyway. I love Jerusalem for its poignancy and it is a million times better as a song and a tune than, for example, Rule Britannia.
    Hear, hear: I am a fan of neither socialism, nor organized religion, but Jerusalem is a beautiful poem, and a very complex piece of music.
    It’s just too damn hard on my organ.
    Are you channelling TSE now ? Ooh arr Mrs!
    Nah, it’s just that my organ for all its breadth and 16 foot horn has only two manuals and therefore you can’t do the contrasts easily.

    At Cannock, where you have a bit in reserve, it’s easier to do the climax.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,830
    edited September 2021
    tlg86 said:

    kle4 said:

    I never cause a spoiling, but IF it ends 6-4, 6-2/3 it will look easier than it was.

    That’s the most impressive thing. This was easily her hardest match, and was my worry for her. But this has been a sensational performance.
    This is not yet over…

    Edit - and now Raducanu has to serve out, when serving has not been easy. This is a stern test of her nerve.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,093
    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    gealbhan said:

    gealbhan said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    gealbhan said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So who will be watching Last Night of the Proms tonight? Someone's got to make sure all the old songs are still there while the rest of us watch the tennis. You'd think Channel 4 would have splashed it on their website but no.

    Let’s hope somebody is, choleric EU flag count by the Gammons has become a fine tradition.
    As is, equally, a hand wringing series of articles in the guardian saying ‘how can we let this jingoistic Rule Britannia nonsense go on’

    ......
    The guardian publishes this wank because their idiot readers lap it up. Every year. Without fail. I
    I haven't seen anything on it in the Guardian today. Could you direct me to it?
    It worries me that you’re a doctor. You’re not the brightest


    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/sep/10/rewrite-rule-britannia-what-would-you-do-with-the-last-night-of-the-proms?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
    Jersulem also stolen from the intention of the original prose, nor is it remotely as good or as patriotic as Parry’s blessed pair, thanks to fact Jerusalem not a real hymn, so we can swap that out for a change and have a far better prom.

    .
    Jerusalem is an exceptionally great poem.
    Jerusalem is remarkable for being claimed by both right and left -- as a paean to England and to socialism.
    “ paean … and to socialism. “

    Absolutely none of it is paean to Socialism. Which bit were you thinking of?
    Dark satanic mills ... building the new Jerusalem.
    the one reference to a mill dark and satanic is poetic reference to an actual mill gutted by fire standing between a poet’s home and his bread shop – possibly gutted in industrial dispute over pay. Blake believed in hell, to him this ruin looked like hell had visited it. This is what poets do.

    It’s not written as a hymn called Jerusalem - who said it was, it’s preamble to Milton.
    the reference to Jerusalem is Blake’s genuine belief Jesus and Joseph were building a bit of Jerusalem here. They were here, it may have been more than business, they may have been looking for a bolt hole if the sectarian war got much worse. As it proved, despite being on the leadership council, Joseph couldn’t stop them getting Jesus bumped off.

    As an historical person Jesus is certainly not wholly owned by Christianity. Not that his own religion cares to make much fuss of him. He was a Jew, called Yeshua, likely born into an extended family with Hellenised (Greek influenced) views, so possible but not certain he may have heard the Greek words Jesus and Christ in his lifetime. Why is Christianity so Greek? It was a language most widely used, so Romans utilised Greek to promote their empire, that was essentially a commercial project. The language of the Roman Empire was Greek. The first Christian documents, those of Paul, were written in Greek whilst in Greece. In the sectarian make up of Judea at the time of Yeshua’s birth there is likely to have been contention between Hellenised Jews, looking to adopt Greek Platonic philosophy along with the Torah, versus Orthodox Jews, such as the Pharisee, opposing this approach. So a child born not just into a family of wealth, religious and political leadership, but born moreover into sectarian disagreement.

    Before the time of his ministry there is something like a “gap year” about a decade and a half little evidence what young Yeshua was up to, other than he was associate of Joseph of Arimathea - this is someone who may have been Yeshua’s relative such as his Mother’s Uncle, for the considerate in loco parentis he showed Yoshua throughout remainder of his life and death we can call him Uncle. Uncle Joseph was a wealthy Rabbi, with trading links around the Mediterranean, Europe including Britain, also worked on building projects in pursuit of “the kingdom”. He may have been an Essenes - the sect who wrote the Dead Sea scrolls. It’s widely documented Joseph swapped the sunny skies of Judea for our clouded hills and pastures green at least once, he died at Glastonbury. And not simply in exile or mission, its possible for someone with his wealth and business links he owned the settlement and the surrounding lands.

    Blake enthusiastically researched the oral history’s of Britain, Europe and the Mediterranean looking for and finding correlating evidence for Yeshua’s visit to Britain.

    In the poets mind it was literal. You are projecting. And wrong.
    The Labour Party sings Jerusalem. As I said, it is claimed by both sides.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--dfp4b6akU
    For me, and bearing in mind I am really not a fan of socialism at all, I think it is ridiculous to claim that it belongs to one side or another. It is a poem/song about hope and striving for a better country. That belongs to all mainstream political parties - or should anyway. I love Jerusalem for its poignancy and it is a million times better as a song and a tune than, for example, Rule Britannia.
    Hear, hear: I am a fan of neither socialism, nor organized religion, but Jerusalem is a beautiful poem, and a very complex piece of music.
    It’s just too damn hard on my organ.
    Blake was a bit of a weirdo. A bit of a mystic. There's probably more going on for Blake in there than the modern reader can really understand.
    Still, that's beside the point. I have genuinely no objection to socialists taking what they want from it; nor, I think, do socialists seem to object to Last-Night-of-the-Proms types liking it. (They object to LNOTP in general, but that's different).
    We can't even manage to steer through football tournaments with such levels of concord between left and right.
    And rightly so; there are sentiments in there we can all agree with. "I love my country. I recognise its faults and will strive to rectify them." Who couldn't concur?
    As I said, whether that's what Blake meant, I doubt - given that he was a bit odd. But he's long dead and in no position to quibble.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited September 2021
    Game Fernandez, but now Raducanu can serve for the Championship.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    tlg86 said:

    kle4 said:

    I never cause a spoiling, but IF it ends 6-4, 6-2/3 it will look easier than it was.

    That’s the most impressive thing. This was easily her hardest match, and was my worry for her. But this has been a sensational performance.
    I don't know how often it has happened, but losing after having championship points would be galling.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223
    kle4 said:

    tlg86 said:

    kle4 said:

    I never cause a spoiling, but IF it ends 6-4, 6-2/3 it will look easier than it was.

    That’s the most impressive thing. This was easily her hardest match, and was my worry for her. But this has been a sensational performance.
    I don't know how often it has happened, but losing after having championship points would be galling.
    Federer at Wimbledon in 2019 still hurts me. He should have won.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,830
    This is not looking too good.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223
    ydoethur said:

    This is not looking too good.

    Keep Piers Morgan away from Twitter.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,979
    edited September 2021
    edit
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Cookie said:

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    gealbhan said:

    gealbhan said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    gealbhan said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So who will be watching Last Night of the Proms tonight? Someone's got to make sure all the old songs are still there while the rest of us watch the tennis. You'd think Channel 4 would have splashed it on their website but no.

    Let’s hope somebody is, choleric EU flag count by the Gammons has become a fine tradition.
    As is, equally, a hand wringing series of articles in the guardian saying ‘how can we let this jingoistic Rule Britannia nonsense go on’

    ......
    The guardian publishes this wank because their idiot readers lap it up. Every year. Without fail. I
    I haven't seen anything on it in the Guardian today. Could you direct me to it?
    It worries me that you’re a doctor. You’re not the brightest


    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/sep/10/rewrite-rule-britannia-what-would-you-do-with-the-last-night-of-the-proms?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
    Jersulem also stolen from the intention of the original prose, nor is it remotely as good or as patriotic as Parry’s blessed pair, thanks to fact Jerusalem not a real hymn, so we can swap that out for a change and have a far better prom.

    .
    Jerusalem is an exceptionally great poem.
    Jerusalem is remarkable for being claimed by both right and left -- as a paean to England and to socialism.
    “ paean … and to socialism. “

    Absolutely none of it is paean to Socialism. Which bit were you thinking of?
    Dark satanic mills ... building the new Jerusalem.
    the one reference to a mill dark and satanic is poetic reference to an actual mill gutted by fire standing between a poet’s home and his bread shop – possibly gutted in industrial dispute over pay. Blake believed in hell, to him this ruin looked like hell had visited it. This is what poets do.

    It’s not written as a hymn called Jerusalem - who said it was, it’s preamble to Milton.
    the reference to Jerusalem is Blake’s genuine belief Jesus and Joseph were building a bit of Jerusalem here. They were here, it may have been more than business, they may have been looking for a bolt hole if the sectarian war got much worse. As it proved, despite being on the leadership council, Joseph couldn’t stop them getting Jesus bumped off.

    As an historical person Jesus is certainly not wholly owned by Christianity. Not that his own religion cares to make much fuss of him. He was a Jew, called Yeshua, likely born into an extended family with Hellenised (Greek influenced) views, so possible but not certain he may have heard the Greek words Jesus and Christ in his lifetime. Why is Christianity so Greek? It was a language most widely used, so Romans utilised Greek to promote their empire, that was essentially a commercial project. The language of the Roman Empire was Greek. The first Christian documents, those of Paul, were written in Greek whilst in Greece. In the sectarian make up of Judea at the time of Yeshua’s birth there is likely to have been contention between Hellenised Jews, looking to adopt Greek Platonic philosophy along with the Torah, versus Orthodox Jews, such as the Pharisee, opposing this approach. So a child born not just into a family of wealth, religious and political leadership, but born moreover into sectarian disagreement.

    Before the time of his ministry there is something like a “gap year” about a decade and a half little evidence what young Yeshua was up to, other than he was associate of Joseph of Arimathea - this is someone who may have been Yeshua’s relative such as his Mother’s Uncle, for the considerate in loco parentis he showed Yoshua throughout remainder of his life and death we can call him Uncle. Uncle Joseph was a wealthy Rabbi, with trading links around the Mediterranean, Europe including Britain, also worked on building projects in pursuit of “the kingdom”. He may have been an Essenes - the sect who wrote the Dead Sea scrolls. It’s widely documented Joseph swapped the sunny skies of Judea for our clouded hills and pastures green at least once, he died at Glastonbury. And not simply in exile or mission, its possible for someone with his wealth and business links he owned the settlement and the surrounding lands.

    Blake enthusiastically researched the oral history’s of Britain, Europe and the Mediterranean looking for and finding correlating evidence for Yeshua’s visit to Britain.

    In the poets mind it was literal. You are projecting. And wrong.
    The Labour Party sings Jerusalem. As I said, it is claimed by both sides.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--dfp4b6akU
    For me, and bearing in mind I am really not a fan of socialism at all, I think it is ridiculous to claim that it belongs to one side or another. It is a poem/song about hope and striving for a better country. That belongs to all mainstream political parties - or should anyway. I love Jerusalem for its poignancy and it is a million times better as a song and a tune than, for example, Rule Britannia.
    Hear, hear: I am a fan of neither socialism, nor organized religion, but Jerusalem is a beautiful poem, and a very complex piece of music.
    It’s just too damn hard on my organ.
    Blake was a bit of a weirdo. A bit of a mystic. There's probably more going on for Blake in there than the modern reader can really understand.
    Still, that's beside the point. I have genuinely no objection to socialists taking what they want from it; nor, I think, do socialists seem to object to Last-Night-of-the-Proms types liking it. (They object to LNOTP in general, but that's different).
    We can't even manage to steer through football tournaments with such levels of concord between left and right.
    And rightly so; there are sentiments in there we can all agree with. "I love my country. I recognise its faults and will strive to rectify them." Who couldn't concur?
    As I said, whether that's what Blake meant, I doubt - given that he was a bit odd. But he's long dead and in no position to quibble.
    He was as mad as a meat axe, and anybody who cannot recognise that from Jerusalem itself has no hope of understanding it. Nor has anyone else mind.
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