Oliver Johnson @BristOliver Thread: A year ago today we saw the lowest ever recorded number of COVID hospital admissions in England. The 22nd August 2020 figure was 25. I expect 22nd August 2021 will be around 800: that's five doublings higher, and I don't think that's good news, to say the least.
Its why I don't understand the pissing about with booster jabs. Get em done.
800 admissions is jut over 1 per parliamentary constituency - hardly overwhelming hospitals is it?
800 people in hospital who don't need to be. I would suggest that is something worth trying to avoid if all it takes is a jab.
Being double jabbed does not stop you getting covid, getting covid seriously, or passing on covid.
It reduces the possibility of all of those things dramatically. Parachutes don’t necessarily stop you dying after jumping out of a plane, seat belts don’t necessarily stop you dying in a car accident. These are not zero sum outcomes.
The US is in for a world of hurt. Biden's modest vaccine targets have been missed and all the refuseniks don't appear to be rushing to get the numbers up.
Quite staggering just how much of a failure Biden is turning out to be. I’d read the other day they were looking at water shortages as they have to redirect the liquid oxygen that would normally treat it to ICUs
On this, Biden isn't the major problem, it is the coalition of Trumpsters, ethnic minorities and new age yoga alternative lifestylers antivaxxers that are a sizable number.
Oliver Johnson @BristOliver Thread: A year ago today we saw the lowest ever recorded number of COVID hospital admissions in England. The 22nd August 2020 figure was 25. I expect 22nd August 2021 will be around 800: that's five doublings higher, and I don't think that's good news, to say the least.
Its why I don't understand the pissing about with booster jabs. Get em done.
800 admissions is jut over 1 per parliamentary constituency - hardly overwhelming hospitals is it?
800 people in hospital who don't need to be. I would suggest that is something worth trying to avoid if all it takes is a jab.
Being double jabbed does not stop you getting covid, getting covid seriously, or passing on covid.
It overwhelmingly stops you ending up in hospital or dying of it.
No what stops you ending up in hospital is your age, overall fitness, and whether you have co-morbidities or not. Why do you think we protect the vulnerable?
The data on which we are basing your covid assumptions is completely flawed, say some named health professionals.
Now I stress these are not TSE approved health professionals, nor have they been vetted by experts such as Alistair 100,00 cases. So caveat emptor, naturally.
These are health professionals we can disregard, because, well, they are nutters obviously. Whereas the doctors we listen to, like Susan Michie and that Pagel woman, are completely above reproach.
Andy Cook has done all the research for us anyway, and there's no point in arguing.
There are 595,000 health professionals currently employed in the UK. The fact that 133 of them turn out to be somewhat unhinged is no real great surprise. Perhaps the only real surprise is that they could find so few.
The data on which we are basing your covid assumptions is completely flawed, say some named health professionals.
Now I stress these are not TSE approved health professionals, nor have they been vetted by experts such as Alistair 100,00 cases. So caveat emptor, naturally.
These are health professionals we can disregard, because, well, they are nutters obviously. Whereas the doctors we listen to, like Susan Michie and that Pagel woman, are completely above reproach.
Andy Cook has done all the research for us anyway, and there's no point in arguing.
There are 595,000 health professionals currently employed in the UK. The fact that 133 of them turn out to be somewhat unhinged is no real great surprise. Perhaps the only real surprise is that they could find so few.
As I say, you can disregard them in favour of TSE approved professionals.
Oliver Johnson @BristOliver Thread: A year ago today we saw the lowest ever recorded number of COVID hospital admissions in England. The 22nd August 2020 figure was 25. I expect 22nd August 2021 will be around 800: that's five doublings higher, and I don't think that's good news, to say the least.
Its why I don't understand the pissing about with booster jabs. Get em done.
800 admissions is jut over 1 per parliamentary constituency - hardly overwhelming hospitals is it?
800 people in hospital who don't need to be. I would suggest that is something worth trying to avoid if all it takes is a jab.
Being double jabbed does not stop you getting covid, getting covid seriously, or passing on covid.
It overwhelmingly stops you ending up in hospital or dying of it.
No what stops you ending up in hospital is your age, overall fitness, and whether you have co-morbidities or not. Why do you think we protect the vulnerable?
Yes by vaccinating them. Unless of course you are proposing permanent lockdowns.
The US is in for a world of hurt. Biden's modest vaccine targets have been missed and all the refuseniks don't appear to be rushing to get the numbers up.
Quite staggering just how much of a failure Biden is turning out to be. I’d read the other day they were looking at water shortages as they have to redirect the liquid oxygen that would normally treat it to ICUs
On this, Biden isn't the major problem, it is the coalition of Trumpsters, ethnic minorities and new age yoga alternative lifestylers antivaxxers that are a sizable number.
And health is a state prerogative, so there is little Biden can directly do about the situation in Florida.
Afghanistan has been an unmitigated, unforced disaster. For that, Biden deserves all that is coming his way. But it doesn't mean everything that is going wrong under his watch is his fault.
Oliver Johnson @BristOliver Thread: A year ago today we saw the lowest ever recorded number of COVID hospital admissions in England. The 22nd August 2020 figure was 25. I expect 22nd August 2021 will be around 800: that's five doublings higher, and I don't think that's good news, to say the least.
Oliver Johnson @BristOliver Thread: A year ago today we saw the lowest ever recorded number of COVID hospital admissions in England. The 22nd August 2020 figure was 25. I expect 22nd August 2021 will be around 800: that's five doublings higher, and I don't think that's good news, to say the least.
Its why I don't understand the pissing about with booster jabs. Get em done.
800 admissions is jut over 1 per parliamentary constituency - hardly overwhelming hospitals is it?
800 people in hospital who don't need to be. I would suggest that is something worth trying to avoid if all it takes is a jab.
Being double jabbed does not stop you getting covid, getting covid seriously, or passing on covid.
It reduces the possibility of all of those things dramatically. Parachutes don’t necessarily stop you dying after jumping out of a plane, seat belts don’t necessarily stop you dying in a car accident. These are not zero sum outcomes.
More eloquently and persuasively said than my rebuttal.
Oliver Johnson @BristOliver Thread: A year ago today we saw the lowest ever recorded number of COVID hospital admissions in England. The 22nd August 2020 figure was 25. I expect 22nd August 2021 will be around 800: that's five doublings higher, and I don't think that's good news, to say the least.
Its why I don't understand the pissing about with booster jabs. Get em done.
800 admissions is jut over 1 per parliamentary constituency - hardly overwhelming hospitals is it?
800 people in hospital who don't need to be. I would suggest that is something worth trying to avoid if all it takes is a jab.
Being double jabbed does not stop you getting covid, getting covid seriously, or passing on covid.
It overwhelmingly stops you ending up in hospital or dying of it.
No what stops you ending up in hospital is your age, overall fitness, and whether you have co-morbidities or not. Why do you think we protect the vulnerable?
So vaccination does nothing to reduce the risk of hospitilisation.
Oliver Johnson @BristOliver Thread: A year ago today we saw the lowest ever recorded number of COVID hospital admissions in England. The 22nd August 2020 figure was 25. I expect 22nd August 2021 will be around 800: that's five doublings higher, and I don't think that's good news, to say the least.
Its why I don't understand the pissing about with booster jabs. Get em done.
800 admissions is jut over 1 per parliamentary constituency - hardly overwhelming hospitals is it?
800 people in hospital who don't need to be. I would suggest that is something worth trying to avoid if all it takes is a jab.
Being double jabbed does not stop you getting covid, getting covid seriously, or passing on covid.
It overwhelmingly stops you ending up in hospital or dying of it.
No what stops you ending up in hospital is your age, overall fitness, and whether you have co-morbidities or not. Why do you think we protect the vulnerable?
Yes by vaccinating them. Unless of course you are proposing permanent lockdowns.
No I am proposing permanent liberty and freedom, you know, that situation that last from 1945 to March 2020....?
Quarantine and vaccinate the sick and vulnerable. Let healthy people live their lives.
On topic. The stat in the header that interests me the most is not that related to the UK but that related to Sweden.
The country that spent most of the first year of the pandemic claiming that lockdowns were not the way to proceed and then suffered as a consequence is now almost the least lockdown sceptic of the whole of Europe.
Bit cheeky to ignore half the survey - in terms of people who think lockdowns work they're very much in the bottom half of the western european countries there.
Erm no.
One graph is of those who think lockdowns don't work (do more harm than good) - in Sweden that number is 15%, 3rd from bottom . The other graph is those who think the Covid risks are overstated - in Sweden that number is 14% - the lowest out of those polled.
Neither shows them in the bottom half of those thinking lockdowns don't work. Exactly the reverse in fact.
Err no, I'm not referring to the 2nd table at all. The first table includes the number who think Lockdowns work as well as the number who think they don't work (and those who think they make no difference).
Sweden is pretty near table topping in thinking lockdowns are net neutral, and the number of positives is lower than most of Western Europe - you're basing a conclusion on 1/3rd of the data presented when the rest does not agree.
Oliver Johnson @BristOliver Thread: A year ago today we saw the lowest ever recorded number of COVID hospital admissions in England. The 22nd August 2020 figure was 25. I expect 22nd August 2021 will be around 800: that's five doublings higher, and I don't think that's good news, to say the least.
Its why I don't understand the pissing about with booster jabs. Get em done.
800 admissions is jut over 1 per parliamentary constituency - hardly overwhelming hospitals is it?
800 people in hospital who don't need to be. I would suggest that is something worth trying to avoid if all it takes is a jab.
Being double jabbed does not stop you getting covid, getting covid seriously, or passing on covid.
It overwhelmingly stops you ending up in hospital or dying of it.
No what stops you ending up in hospital is your age, overall fitness, and whether you have co-morbidities or not. Why do you think we protect the vulnerable?
So why are ever higher percentages of those in hospital, in ICUs and dying young adults and children? (No need to reply, I know the answer)
There are hints that the Taliban leadership are getting pretty frustrated by the scenes at the airport and wider Western evacuation action. Theyve sent some of ther best to the airport approaches to try to shore things up but the unfolding mess there is a problem for them too.
On topic. The stat in the header that interests me the most is not that related to the UK but that related to Sweden.
The country that spent most of the first year of the pandemic claiming that lockdowns were not the way to proceed and then suffered as a consequence is now almost the least lockdown sceptic of the whole of Europe.
Oliver Johnson @BristOliver Thread: A year ago today we saw the lowest ever recorded number of COVID hospital admissions in England. The 22nd August 2020 figure was 25. I expect 22nd August 2021 will be around 800: that's five doublings higher, and I don't think that's good news, to say the least.
Its why I don't understand the pissing about with booster jabs. Get em done.
800 admissions is jut over 1 per parliamentary constituency - hardly overwhelming hospitals is it?
800 people in hospital who don't need to be. I would suggest that is something worth trying to avoid if all it takes is a jab.
Being double jabbed does not stop you getting covid, getting covid seriously, or passing on covid.
It overwhelmingly stops you ending up in hospital or dying of it.
No what stops you ending up in hospital is your age, overall fitness, and whether you have co-morbidities or not. Why do you think we protect the vulnerable?
So vaccination does nothing to reduce the risk of hospitilisation.
What are you smoking, and can I have some of it?
No I am not saying that. For the vulnerable and older people the vaccines are very useful.
Oliver Johnson @BristOliver Thread: A year ago today we saw the lowest ever recorded number of COVID hospital admissions in England. The 22nd August 2020 figure was 25. I expect 22nd August 2021 will be around 800: that's five doublings higher, and I don't think that's good news, to say the least.
Its why I don't understand the pissing about with booster jabs. Get em done.
800 admissions is jut over 1 per parliamentary constituency - hardly overwhelming hospitals is it?
800 people in hospital who don't need to be. I would suggest that is something worth trying to avoid if all it takes is a jab.
Being double jabbed does not stop you getting covid, getting covid seriously, or passing on covid.
It overwhelmingly stops you ending up in hospital or dying of it.
No what stops you ending up in hospital is your age, overall fitness, and whether you have co-morbidities or not. Why do you think we protect the vulnerable?
So vaccination does nothing to reduce the risk of hospitilisation.
What are you smoking, and can I have some of it?
No I am not saying that. For the vulnerable and older people the vaccines are very useful.
Your earlier post said exactly that. In reply to a comment saying being vaccinated "overwhelmingly stops you ending up in hospital or dying of it", you replied saying that it doesn't.
In less than 48 hours Biden's entire domestic agenda is going to be blown up by 9 Democrats who apparently don't understand that the bill is insanely popular.
FWIW I think Boris, and Raab took his lead from him, did fanny about but I don't expect a single blow to land on them over Afghanistan because everyone knows the UK was simply rowing in behind US policy on it - and we had no choice.
A better criticism would be why Boris didn't influence Biden better as Cameron did over a decidedly sceptical Obama over Libya in 2011.
Biden has nominated Rahm Emanuel, the former mayor of Chicago and former President Barack Obama’s first chief of staff, to be next ambassador to Japan.
Oliver Johnson @BristOliver Thread: A year ago today we saw the lowest ever recorded number of COVID hospital admissions in England. The 22nd August 2020 figure was 25. I expect 22nd August 2021 will be around 800: that's five doublings higher, and I don't think that's good news, to say the least.
Its why I don't understand the pissing about with booster jabs. Get em done.
800 admissions is jut over 1 per parliamentary constituency - hardly overwhelming hospitals is it?
800 people in hospital who don't need to be. I would suggest that is something worth trying to avoid if all it takes is a jab.
Being double jabbed does not stop you getting covid, getting covid seriously, or passing on covid.
It reduces the possibility of all of those things dramatically. Parachutes don’t necessarily stop you dying after jumping out of a plane, seat belts don’t necessarily stop you dying in a car accident. These are not zero sum outcomes.
More eloquently and persuasively said than my rebuttal.
Thanks. Given his comments about me in the past, not to mention his habit of blowing up threads with his nonsense. I don’t know why I even give him the time of day.
In less than 48 hours Biden's entire domestic agenda is going to be blown up by 9 Democrats who apparently don't understand that the bill is insanely popular.
Or 9 Democrats who understand that there are mid-terms next year and the Democrats' control of both Houses is at stake.
What they are proposing is that the $1trn bill go through, and that the additional $3trn be voted on separately. Pelosi and the Squad don't want that because they know that the $3trn won't pass on its own.
On topic. The stat in the header that interests me the most is not that related to the UK but that related to Sweden.
The country that spent most of the first year of the pandemic claiming that lockdowns were not the way to proceed and then suffered as a consequence is now almost the least lockdown sceptic of the whole of Europe.
Rational people. Learning from experience.
They bet against vaccines working. A mistake with hindsight for sure, it is worth remembering the pessimism about vaccines at the start. Cummings as much as said that’s what was driving our policy at the start. I guess our population density meant we had to change course much quicker than Sweden. It’s hard to contemplate how horrible things would be if the vaccines hadn’t come through.
4 weeks and we're up to 87% of adults second dosed and 91% first dosed. That's 73% of the population and 70% of the population respectively. I don't see us getting much beyond that without mandatory vaccine passes for leisure activities.
4 weeks and we're up to 87% of adults second dosed and 91% first dosed. That 73% of the population and 70% of the population respectively. I don't see us getting much beyond that without mandatory vaccine passes for leisure activities.
The anti-vaxxers will all end up catching covid in any case - many of them have already done so.
"Europe Elects @EuropeElects · 1h Sweden: Prime Minister Stefan Löfven has announced he will leave his position as leader of the Social Democrats (S-S&D) and Head of Government at the party’s congress in November, less than one year ahead of the country’s general election. "
In less than 48 hours Biden's entire domestic agenda is going to be blown up by 9 Democrats who apparently don't understand that the bill is insanely popular.
Or 9 Democrats who understand that there are mid-terms next year and the Democrats' control of both Houses is at stake.
What they are proposing is that the $1trn bill go through, and that the additional $3trn be voted on separately. Pelosi and the Squad don't want that because they know that the $3trn won't pass on its own.
So you'd think passing incredibly popular legislation that has bipartisan support amongst the electorate would be the smart play but no, apparently appeali g to a group of mythical "fiscally responsible" voters who don't exist is what needs to be done
There are hints that the Taliban leadership are getting pretty frustrated by the scenes at the airport and wider Western evacuation action. Theyve sent some of ther best to the airport approaches to try to shore things up but the unfolding mess there is a problem for them too.
Their problems trying to govern the country are only just beginning.
Oliver Johnson @BristOliver Thread: A year ago today we saw the lowest ever recorded number of COVID hospital admissions in England. The 22nd August 2020 figure was 25. I expect 22nd August 2021 will be around 800: that's five doublings higher, and I don't think that's good news, to say the least.
Its why I don't understand the pissing about with booster jabs. Get em done.
800 admissions is jut over 1 per parliamentary constituency - hardly overwhelming hospitals is it?
800 people in hospital who don't need to be. I would suggest that is something worth trying to avoid if all it takes is a jab.
Being double jabbed does not stop you getting covid, getting covid seriously, or passing on covid.
It overwhelmingly stops you ending up in hospital or dying of it.
No what stops you ending up in hospital is your age, overall fitness, and whether you have co-morbidities or not. Why do you think we protect the vulnerable?
So vaccination does nothing to reduce the risk of hospitilisation.
What are you smoking, and can I have some of it?
No I am not saying that. For the vulnerable and older people the vaccines are very useful.
Your earlier post said exactly that. In reply to a comment saying being vaccinated "overwhelmingly stops you ending up in hospital or dying of it", you replied saying that it doesn't.
Its probably 'overwhelming' if you are an old or vulnerable person, sure, but if you are a young person having a vaccine is of no consequence whatever. You would not be in hospital or die whether you had a vaccine or not. Why? because you are young and healthy.
FWIW I think Boris, and Raab took his lead from him, did fanny about but I don't expect a single blow to land on them over Afghanistan because everyone knows the UK was simply rowing in behind US policy on it - and we had no choice.
A better criticism would be why Boris didn't influence Biden better as Cameron did over a decidedly sceptical Obama over Libya in 2011.
Oliver Johnson @BristOliver Thread: A year ago today we saw the lowest ever recorded number of COVID hospital admissions in England. The 22nd August 2020 figure was 25. I expect 22nd August 2021 will be around 800: that's five doublings higher, and I don't think that's good news, to say the least.
In less than 48 hours Biden's entire domestic agenda is going to be blown up by 9 Democrats who apparently don't understand that the bill is insanely popular.
I see imbecilic political slogan is trending. Wait till Tony hears about 45 minutes from destruction and where that led us.
The closer our politicians have been to the Afghanistan escapade - whether as instigators, supporters, or past participants - the more virulent the language they are using to criticise the current day withdrawal.
They might want you to think that this is merely because the withdrawal has undone all their purported good work.
But the truth is that it is having the futility and pointlessness of everything that has gone before so brutally exposed, that they are finding especially difficult to bear.
Aye. Have any of the prominent early C21st warmongers done a mea culpa, or is it at best 'it was the right thing to do imperfectly carried out'? I think even Christopher Hitchens (for whom I have a regard) stuck with it to the end.
I'd say there's a certain type of ultra muscular, liberal intellectual bruiser whose disdain for the primitive beliefs and rituals of organized religion - and esp Islam - is very very strong. Strong enough to drive many of their positions. Hitchens in his later years seemed more animated by this, his atheism, his alliance with Dawkins, than by any of his old trad left, capitalist skeptic thinking. That seemed to have largely faded.
The data on which we are basing your covid assumptions is completely flawed, say some named health professionals.
Now I stress these are not TSE approved health professionals, nor have they been vetted by experts such as Alistair 100,00 cases. So caveat emptor, naturally.
These are health professionals we can disregard, because, well, they are nutters obviously. Whereas the doctors we listen to, like Susan Michie and that Pagel woman, are completely above reproach.
Andy Cook has done all the research for us anyway, and there's no point in arguing.
It is a masterpiece of nuttery. "nurses-paramedics-and-midwives" - why no hospital porters? chiropodists? dental technicians? Even the actual doctors there are retired spinal surgeons, psychatrists, and comedians like one Orthopaedic Consultant & Lifestyle Medicine Physician.
The data on which we are basing your covid assumptions is completely flawed, say some named health professionals.
Now I stress these are not TSE approved health professionals, nor have they been vetted by experts such as Alistair 100,00 cases. So caveat emptor, naturally.
These are health professionals we can disregard, because, well, they are nutters obviously. Whereas the doctors we listen to, like Susan Michie and that Pagel woman, are completely above reproach.
Andy Cook has done all the research for us anyway, and there's no point in arguing.
It is a masterpiece of nuttery. "nurses-paramedics-and-midwives" - why no hospital porters? chiropodists? dental technicians? Even the actual doctors there are retired spinal surgeons, psychatrists, and comedians like one Orthopaedic Consultant & Lifestyle Medicine Physician.
I warned you. The doctors involved have not been approved by expert doctor vetters on twitter and PB and so you can safely ignore.
Only engage with the opinions of those medical professionals approved by Sky News and the BBC, such as Christina Pagel and Susan Michie. And that bloke Edmunds who forecast 200,000 cases.
That way, you will be safe. These are the experts and its their narrative that counts.
Oliver Johnson @BristOliver Thread: A year ago today we saw the lowest ever recorded number of COVID hospital admissions in England. The 22nd August 2020 figure was 25. I expect 22nd August 2021 will be around 800: that's five doublings higher, and I don't think that's good news, to say the least.
Its why I don't understand the pissing about with booster jabs. Get em done.
800 admissions is jut over 1 per parliamentary constituency - hardly overwhelming hospitals is it?
800 people in hospital who don't need to be. I would suggest that is something worth trying to avoid if all it takes is a jab.
Being double jabbed does not stop you getting covid, getting covid seriously, or passing on covid.
It overwhelmingly stops you ending up in hospital or dying of it.
No what stops you ending up in hospital is your age, overall fitness, and whether you have co-morbidities or not. Why do you think we protect the vulnerable?
So vaccination does nothing to reduce the risk of hospitilisation.
What are you smoking, and can I have some of it?
No I am not saying that. For the vulnerable and older people the vaccines are very useful.
Your earlier post said exactly that. In reply to a comment saying being vaccinated "overwhelmingly stops you ending up in hospital or dying of it", you replied saying that it doesn't.
Its probably 'overwhelming' if you are an old or vulnerable person, sure, but if you are a young person having a vaccine is of no consequence whatever. You would not be in hospital or die whether you had a vaccine or not. Why? because you are young and healthy.
That is totally wrong, complete bollocks. Vaccination dramatically reduces the risk of hospitalisation in *all* age groups.
Oliver Johnson @BristOliver Thread: A year ago today we saw the lowest ever recorded number of COVID hospital admissions in England. The 22nd August 2020 figure was 25. I expect 22nd August 2021 will be around 800: that's five doublings higher, and I don't think that's good news, to say the least.
Its why I don't understand the pissing about with booster jabs. Get em done.
800 admissions is jut over 1 per parliamentary constituency - hardly overwhelming hospitals is it?
800 people in hospital who don't need to be. I would suggest that is something worth trying to avoid if all it takes is a jab.
Being double jabbed does not stop you getting covid, getting covid seriously, or passing on covid.
It overwhelmingly stops you ending up in hospital or dying of it.
No what stops you ending up in hospital is your age, overall fitness, and whether you have co-morbidities or not. Why do you think we protect the vulnerable?
So vaccination does nothing to reduce the risk of hospitilisation.
What are you smoking, and can I have some of it?
No I am not saying that. For the vulnerable and older people the vaccines are very useful.
Your earlier post said exactly that. In reply to a comment saying being vaccinated "overwhelmingly stops you ending up in hospital or dying of it", you replied saying that it doesn't.
Its probably 'overwhelming' if you are an old or vulnerable person, sure, but if you are a young person having a vaccine is of no consequence whatever. You would not be in hospital or die whether you had a vaccine or not. Why? because you are young and healthy.
That is totally wrong, complete bollocks. Vaccination dramatically reduces the risk of hospitalisation in *all* age groups.
I do not see how you could possibly claim that, given that healthy people under 16 have not even been vaccinated. and medical professionals are not even sure if they should be. They only u-turned on 16 and 17-year olds recently. Healthy young people simply do not suffer much from covid.
Hence the claim that the young are being used as a human shield for the old.
The data on which we are basing your covid assumptions is completely flawed, say some named health professionals.
Now I stress these are not TSE approved health professionals, nor have they been vetted by experts such as Alistair 100,00 cases. So caveat emptor, naturally.
These are health professionals we can disregard, because, well, they are nutters obviously. Whereas the doctors we listen to, like Susan Michie and that Pagel woman, are completely above reproach.
Andy Cook has done all the research for us anyway, and there's no point in arguing.
It is a masterpiece of nuttery. "nurses-paramedics-and-midwives" - why no hospital porters? chiropodists? dental technicians? Even the actual doctors there are retired spinal surgeons, psychatrists, and comedians like one Orthopaedic Consultant & Lifestyle Medicine Physician.
I was at medical school with one of them. She was quite sane then, though I most remember her for her black plastic mac, like something from a fetish shop. Fond memories!
Oliver Johnson @BristOliver Thread: A year ago today we saw the lowest ever recorded number of COVID hospital admissions in England. The 22nd August 2020 figure was 25. I expect 22nd August 2021 will be around 800: that's five doublings higher, and I don't think that's good news, to say the least.
Its why I don't understand the pissing about with booster jabs. Get em done.
800 admissions is jut over 1 per parliamentary constituency - hardly overwhelming hospitals is it?
800 people in hospital who don't need to be. I would suggest that is something worth trying to avoid if all it takes is a jab.
Being double jabbed does not stop you getting covid, getting covid seriously, or passing on covid.
It overwhelmingly stops you ending up in hospital or dying of it.
No what stops you ending up in hospital is your age, overall fitness, and whether you have co-morbidities or not. Why do you think we protect the vulnerable?
So vaccination does nothing to reduce the risk of hospitilisation.
What are you smoking, and can I have some of it?
No I am not saying that. For the vulnerable and older people the vaccines are very useful.
Your earlier post said exactly that. In reply to a comment saying being vaccinated "overwhelmingly stops you ending up in hospital or dying of it", you replied saying that it doesn't.
Its probably 'overwhelming' if you are an old or vulnerable person, sure, but if you are a young person having a vaccine is of no consequence whatever. You would not be in hospital or die whether you had a vaccine or not. Why? because you are young and healthy.
That is totally wrong, complete bollocks. Vaccination dramatically reduces the risk of hospitalisation in *all* age groups.
I do not see how you could possibly claim that, given that healthy people under 16 have not even been vaccinated. and medical professionals are not even sure if they should be. They only u-turned on 16 and 17-year olds recently. Healthy young people simply do not suffer much from covid.
Hence the claim that the young are being used as a human shield for the old.
Because I'm looking at actual statistics? And seriously, are you really saying the claim is invalid because it hasn't been tested on under 16 year olds. What about the vast majority of the population older than that?
Here's a graphic showing the effect of vaccination, even as young as 25-34 the effect is profound.
Oliver Johnson @BristOliver Thread: A year ago today we saw the lowest ever recorded number of COVID hospital admissions in England. The 22nd August 2020 figure was 25. I expect 22nd August 2021 will be around 800: that's five doublings higher, and I don't think that's good news, to say the least.
Its why I don't understand the pissing about with booster jabs. Get em done.
800 admissions is jut over 1 per parliamentary constituency - hardly overwhelming hospitals is it?
800 people in hospital who don't need to be. I would suggest that is something worth trying to avoid if all it takes is a jab.
Being double jabbed does not stop you getting covid, getting covid seriously, or passing on covid.
It overwhelmingly stops you ending up in hospital or dying of it.
No what stops you ending up in hospital is your age, overall fitness, and whether you have co-morbidities or not. Why do you think we protect the vulnerable?
Yes by vaccinating them. Unless of course you are proposing permanent lockdowns.
No I am proposing permanent liberty and freedom, you know, that situation that last from 1945 to March 2020....?
Quarantine and vaccinate the sick and vulnerable. Let healthy people live their lives.
A statement that only makes sense if you are claiming that vaccinations are somehow infringing your liberty.
Oliver Johnson @BristOliver Thread: A year ago today we saw the lowest ever recorded number of COVID hospital admissions in England. The 22nd August 2020 figure was 25. I expect 22nd August 2021 will be around 800: that's five doublings higher, and I don't think that's good news, to say the least.
Its why I don't understand the pissing about with booster jabs. Get em done.
800 admissions is jut over 1 per parliamentary constituency - hardly overwhelming hospitals is it?
800 people in hospital who don't need to be. I would suggest that is something worth trying to avoid if all it takes is a jab.
Being double jabbed does not stop you getting covid, getting covid seriously, or passing on covid.
It overwhelmingly stops you ending up in hospital or dying of it.
No what stops you ending up in hospital is your age, overall fitness, and whether you have co-morbidities or not. Why do you think we protect the vulnerable?
So vaccination does nothing to reduce the risk of hospitilisation.
What are you smoking, and can I have some of it?
No I am not saying that. For the vulnerable and older people the vaccines are very useful.
Your earlier post said exactly that. In reply to a comment saying being vaccinated "overwhelmingly stops you ending up in hospital or dying of it", you replied saying that it doesn't.
Its probably 'overwhelming' if you are an old or vulnerable person, sure, but if you are a young person having a vaccine is of no consequence whatever. You would not be in hospital or die whether you had a vaccine or not. Why? because you are young and healthy.
This is true La La land stuff. Israel says that for the healthy under 60s, being vaccinated slightly better than halves the risk of hospitalisation. Are they lying about this?
Oliver Johnson @BristOliver Thread: A year ago today we saw the lowest ever recorded number of COVID hospital admissions in England. The 22nd August 2020 figure was 25. I expect 22nd August 2021 will be around 800: that's five doublings higher, and I don't think that's good news, to say the least.
Its why I don't understand the pissing about with booster jabs. Get em done.
800 admissions is jut over 1 per parliamentary constituency - hardly overwhelming hospitals is it?
800 people in hospital who don't need to be. I would suggest that is something worth trying to avoid if all it takes is a jab.
Being double jabbed does not stop you getting covid, getting covid seriously, or passing on covid.
It overwhelmingly stops you ending up in hospital or dying of it.
No what stops you ending up in hospital is your age, overall fitness, and whether you have co-morbidities or not. Why do you think we protect the vulnerable?
Yes by vaccinating them. Unless of course you are proposing permanent lockdowns.
No I am proposing permanent liberty and freedom, you know, that situation that last from 1945 to March 2020....?
Quarantine and vaccinate the sick and vulnerable. Let healthy people live their lives.
A statement that only makes sense if you are claiming that vaccinations are somehow infringing your liberty.
The absolutely aren't. But the choice of vaccination or lockdown definitely is.
The data on which we are basing your covid assumptions is completely flawed, say some named health professionals.
Now I stress these are not TSE approved health professionals, nor have they been vetted by experts such as Alistair 100,00 cases. So caveat emptor, naturally.
These are health professionals we can disregard, because, well, they are nutters obviously. Whereas the doctors we listen to, like Susan Michie and that Pagel woman, are completely above reproach.
Andy Cook has done all the research for us anyway, and there's no point in arguing.
It is a masterpiece of nuttery. "nurses-paramedics-and-midwives" - why no hospital porters? chiropodists? dental technicians? Even the actual doctors there are retired spinal surgeons, psychatrists, and comedians like one Orthopaedic Consultant & Lifestyle Medicine Physician.
I warned you. The doctors involved have not been approved by expert doctor vetters on twitter and PB and so you can safely ignore.
Only engage with the opinions of those medical professionals approved by Sky News and the BBC, such as Christina Pagel and Susan Michie. And that bloke Edmunds who forecast 200,000 cases.
That way, you will be safe. These are the experts and its their narrative that counts.
Well, yes. They are virologists and epidemiologists speaking on issues of virology and epidemiology. Experts.
As I believe I have already warned you, satire is not as easy as it looks.
Oliver Johnson @BristOliver Thread: A year ago today we saw the lowest ever recorded number of COVID hospital admissions in England. The 22nd August 2020 figure was 25. I expect 22nd August 2021 will be around 800: that's five doublings higher, and I don't think that's good news, to say the least.
Its why I don't understand the pissing about with booster jabs. Get em done.
800 admissions is jut over 1 per parliamentary constituency - hardly overwhelming hospitals is it?
800 people in hospital who don't need to be. I would suggest that is something worth trying to avoid if all it takes is a jab.
Being double jabbed does not stop you getting covid, getting covid seriously, or passing on covid.
It overwhelmingly stops you ending up in hospital or dying of it.
No what stops you ending up in hospital is your age, overall fitness, and whether you have co-morbidities or not. Why do you think we protect the vulnerable?
Yes by vaccinating them. Unless of course you are proposing permanent lockdowns.
No I am proposing permanent liberty and freedom, you know, that situation that last from 1945 to March 2020....?
Quarantine and vaccinate the sick and vulnerable. Let healthy people live their lives.
Oliver Johnson @BristOliver Thread: A year ago today we saw the lowest ever recorded number of COVID hospital admissions in England. The 22nd August 2020 figure was 25. I expect 22nd August 2021 will be around 800: that's five doublings higher, and I don't think that's good news, to say the least.
Its why I don't understand the pissing about with booster jabs. Get em done.
800 admissions is jut over 1 per parliamentary constituency - hardly overwhelming hospitals is it?
800 people in hospital who don't need to be. I would suggest that is something worth trying to avoid if all it takes is a jab.
Being double jabbed does not stop you getting covid, getting covid seriously, or passing on covid.
It overwhelmingly stops you ending up in hospital or dying of it.
No what stops you ending up in hospital is your age, overall fitness, and whether you have co-morbidities or not. Why do you think we protect the vulnerable?
Yes by vaccinating them. Unless of course you are proposing permanent lockdowns.
No I am proposing permanent liberty and freedom, you know, that situation that last from 1945 to March 2020....?
Quarantine and vaccinate the sick and vulnerable. Let healthy people live their lives.
Pedantic point: the act requiring people to carry ID cards in the Uk was only repeated in 1952.
On topic. The stat in the header that interests me the most is not that related to the UK but that related to Sweden.
The country that spent most of the first year of the pandemic claiming that lockdowns were not the way to proceed and then suffered as a consequence is now almost the least lockdown sceptic of the whole of Europe.
Bit cheeky to ignore half the survey - in terms of people who think lockdowns work they're very much in the bottom half of the western european countries there.
Erm no.
One graph is of those who think lockdowns don't work (do more harm than good) - in Sweden that number is 15%, 3rd from bottom . The other graph is those who think the Covid risks are overstated - in Sweden that number is 14% - the lowest out of those polled.
Neither shows them in the bottom half of those thinking lockdowns don't work. Exactly the reverse in fact.
Err no, I'm not referring to the 2nd table at all. The first table includes the number who think Lockdowns work as well as the number who think they don't work (and those who think they make no difference).
Sweden is pretty near table topping in thinking lockdowns are net neutral, and the number of positives is lower than most of Western Europe - you're basing a conclusion on 1/3rd of the data presented when the rest does not agree.
That is cherry picking of the very worst kind.
First you take a subset of the group and look only at Western European Countries. Then you try and limit the 'think they work' to those who only think they do more good than harm when the two points are not comparable. There may be many amongst the 'Do both equally' who think they work but are not sure the social consequences are worth it.
You have basically drawn an unsustainable conclusion from a partial reading of the data and used that to justify an unsupportable statement.
Oliver Johnson @BristOliver Thread: A year ago today we saw the lowest ever recorded number of COVID hospital admissions in England. The 22nd August 2020 figure was 25. I expect 22nd August 2021 will be around 800: that's five doublings higher, and I don't think that's good news, to say the least.
Looking at the UK dashboard high cases and low vaccination rates there is a fair correlation, Nottingham, Coventry, Leicester, Peterborough. Birmingham is currently the exception in the Midlands.
Oliver Johnson @BristOliver Thread: A year ago today we saw the lowest ever recorded number of COVID hospital admissions in England. The 22nd August 2020 figure was 25. I expect 22nd August 2021 will be around 800: that's five doublings higher, and I don't think that's good news, to say the least.
Its why I don't understand the pissing about with booster jabs. Get em done.
800 admissions is jut over 1 per parliamentary constituency - hardly overwhelming hospitals is it?
800 people in hospital who don't need to be. I would suggest that is something worth trying to avoid if all it takes is a jab.
Being double jabbed does not stop you getting covid, getting covid seriously, or passing on covid.
It overwhelmingly stops you ending up in hospital or dying of it.
No what stops you ending up in hospital is your age, overall fitness, and whether you have co-morbidities or not. Why do you think we protect the vulnerable?
Yes by vaccinating them. Unless of course you are proposing permanent lockdowns.
No I am proposing permanent liberty and freedom, you know, that situation that last from 1945 to March 2020....?
Quarantine and vaccinate the sick and vulnerable. Let healthy people live their lives.
A statement that only makes sense if you are claiming that vaccinations are somehow infringing your liberty.
The absolutely aren't. But the choice of vaccination or lockdown definitely is.
"But your honour, giving me the choice between drinking and driving or going to gaol is infringing my liberties."
Oliver Johnson @BristOliver Thread: A year ago today we saw the lowest ever recorded number of COVID hospital admissions in England. The 22nd August 2020 figure was 25. I expect 22nd August 2021 will be around 800: that's five doublings higher, and I don't think that's good news, to say the least.
Its why I don't understand the pissing about with booster jabs. Get em done.
800 admissions is jut over 1 per parliamentary constituency - hardly overwhelming hospitals is it?
800 people in hospital who don't need to be. I would suggest that is something worth trying to avoid if all it takes is a jab.
Being double jabbed does not stop you getting covid, getting covid seriously, or passing on covid.
It overwhelmingly stops you ending up in hospital or dying of it.
No what stops you ending up in hospital is your age, overall fitness, and whether you have co-morbidities or not. Why do you think we protect the vulnerable?
So vaccination does nothing to reduce the risk of hospitilisation.
What are you smoking, and can I have some of it?
No I am not saying that. For the vulnerable and older people the vaccines are very useful.
Your earlier post said exactly that. In reply to a comment saying being vaccinated "overwhelmingly stops you ending up in hospital or dying of it", you replied saying that it doesn't.
Its probably 'overwhelming' if you are an old or vulnerable person, sure, but if you are a young person having a vaccine is of no consequence whatever. You would not be in hospital or die whether you had a vaccine or not. Why? because you are young and healthy.
That is totally wrong, complete bollocks. Vaccination dramatically reduces the risk of hospitalisation in *all* age groups.
I do not see how you could possibly claim that, given that healthy people under 16 have not even been vaccinated. and medical professionals are not even sure if they should be. They only u-turned on 16 and 17-year olds recently. Healthy young people simply do not suffer much from covid.
Hence the claim that the young are being used as a human shield for the old.
Because I'm looking at actual statistics? And seriously, are you really saying the claim is invalid because it hasn't been tested on under 16 year olds. What about the vast majority of the population older than that?
Here's a graphic showing the effect of vaccination, even as young as 25-34 the effect is profound.
Those are not statistics those are projections. But it is interesting, isn't it, that hospitalisations are much higher post vaccination than they were pre-vaccination on the same day last year, as the maths guy pointed out?
Yes we have delta now, and yes, the numbers would be much higher without vaccination. But you cannot prove the extent of the impact because we have no test experiment in the UK with lower vaxx rates.
What we do have is a test experiment in the US with delta versus lower vaxx rates. I am have not had a look at those in a while, but I did read that whilst some lo vaxx states were undoubtedly struggling, so were some high vaxx states (eg Hawaii). I also read that Israel is struggling, even though they are quite high vaxx.
Oliver Johnson @BristOliver Thread: A year ago today we saw the lowest ever recorded number of COVID hospital admissions in England. The 22nd August 2020 figure was 25. I expect 22nd August 2021 will be around 800: that's five doublings higher, and I don't think that's good news, to say the least.
Its why I don't understand the pissing about with booster jabs. Get em done.
800 admissions is jut over 1 per parliamentary constituency - hardly overwhelming hospitals is it?
800 people in hospital who don't need to be. I would suggest that is something worth trying to avoid if all it takes is a jab.
Being double jabbed does not stop you getting covid, getting covid seriously, or passing on covid.
It overwhelmingly stops you ending up in hospital or dying of it.
No what stops you ending up in hospital is your age, overall fitness, and whether you have co-morbidities or not. Why do you think we protect the vulnerable?
So vaccination does nothing to reduce the risk of hospitilisation.
What are you smoking, and can I have some of it?
No I am not saying that. For the vulnerable and older people the vaccines are very useful.
Your earlier post said exactly that. In reply to a comment saying being vaccinated "overwhelmingly stops you ending up in hospital or dying of it", you replied saying that it doesn't.
Its probably 'overwhelming' if you are an old or vulnerable person, sure, but if you are a young person having a vaccine is of no consequence whatever. You would not be in hospital or die whether you had a vaccine or not. Why? because you are young and healthy.
That is totally wrong, complete bollocks. Vaccination dramatically reduces the risk of hospitalisation in *all* age groups.
I do not see how you could possibly claim that, given that healthy people under 16 have not even been vaccinated. and medical professionals are not even sure if they should be. They only u-turned on 16 and 17-year olds recently. Healthy young people simply do not suffer much from covid.
Hence the claim that the young are being used as a human shield for the old.
Because I'm looking at actual statistics? And seriously, are you really saying the claim is invalid because it hasn't been tested on under 16 year olds. What about the vast majority of the population older than that?
Here's a graphic showing the effect of vaccination, even as young as 25-34 the effect is profound.
Those are not statistics those are projections. But it is interesting, isn't it, that hospitalisations are much higher post vaccination than they were pre-vaccination on the same day last year, as the maths guy pointed out?
Yes we have delta now, and yes, the numbers would be much higher without vaccination. But you cannot prove that because we have no test experiment in the UK with lower vaxx rates.
What we do have is a test experiment in the US with delta versus lower vaxx rates. I am have not had a look at those in a while, but I did read that whilst some lo vaxx states were struggling, so were some high vaxx states.
You can't be serious? What do you think this is based on?
And no, comparing two rates on two arbitrary dates really isn't interesting.
A mosque manager who sparked fury among worshippers after he shared a social media post that appeared to support the Taliban has been issued with a warning by police.
Saddique Hussain, general manager of Central Jamia Mosque Ghamkol Sharif in Small Heath, Birmingham, was quizzed by officers after he shared a video showing an armed group of Taliban leaders in Kabul on his Facebook page.
The post has now been removed and the mosque manager has issued a full apology for any offence caused.
Mr Hussain said he 'does not and never has supported the Taliban' and 'should have thought before he shared the post'.
Oliver Johnson @BristOliver Thread: A year ago today we saw the lowest ever recorded number of COVID hospital admissions in England. The 22nd August 2020 figure was 25. I expect 22nd August 2021 will be around 800: that's five doublings higher, and I don't think that's good news, to say the least.
Its why I don't understand the pissing about with booster jabs. Get em done.
800 admissions is jut over 1 per parliamentary constituency - hardly overwhelming hospitals is it?
800 people in hospital who don't need to be. I would suggest that is something worth trying to avoid if all it takes is a jab.
Being double jabbed does not stop you getting covid, getting covid seriously, or passing on covid.
It overwhelmingly stops you ending up in hospital or dying of it.
No what stops you ending up in hospital is your age, overall fitness, and whether you have co-morbidities or not. Why do you think we protect the vulnerable?
So vaccination does nothing to reduce the risk of hospitilisation.
What are you smoking, and can I have some of it?
No I am not saying that. For the vulnerable and older people the vaccines are very useful.
Your earlier post said exactly that. In reply to a comment saying being vaccinated "overwhelmingly stops you ending up in hospital or dying of it", you replied saying that it doesn't.
Its probably 'overwhelming' if you are an old or vulnerable person, sure, but if you are a young person having a vaccine is of no consequence whatever. You would not be in hospital or die whether you had a vaccine or not. Why? because you are young and healthy.
That is totally wrong, complete bollocks. Vaccination dramatically reduces the risk of hospitalisation in *all* age groups.
I do not see how you could possibly claim that, given that healthy people under 16 have not even been vaccinated. and medical professionals are not even sure if they should be. They only u-turned on 16 and 17-year olds recently. Healthy young people simply do not suffer much from covid.
Hence the claim that the young are being used as a human shield for the old.
Australia / NZ: very low rate of vaccination, very intrusive level of non pharmaceutical interventions.
UK: very high level of vaccination, relatively unintrusive level of NPI.
Go on, show you have the intellectual flexibility to admit you were wrong on this one, whatever your view of lockdowns.
A mosque manager who sparked fury among worshippers after he shared a social media post that appeared to support the Taliban has been issued with a warning by police.
Saddique Hussain, general manager of Central Jamia Mosque Ghamkol Sharif in Small Heath, Birmingham, was quizzed by officers after he shared a video showing an armed group of Taliban leaders in Kabul on his Facebook page.
The post has now been removed and the mosque manager has issued a full apology for any offence caused.
Mr Hussain said he 'does not and never has supported the Taliban' and 'should have thought before he shared the post'.
The data on which we are basing your covid assumptions is completely flawed, say some named health professionals.
Now I stress these are not TSE approved health professionals, nor have they been vetted by experts such as Alistair 100,00 cases. So caveat emptor, naturally.
These are health professionals we can disregard, because, well, they are nutters obviously. Whereas the doctors we listen to, like Susan Michie and that Pagel woman, are completely above reproach.
Andy Cook has done all the research for us anyway, and there's no point in arguing.
There are 595,000 health professionals currently employed in the UK. The fact that 133 of them turn out to be somewhat unhinged is no real great surprise. Perhaps the only real surprise is that they could find so few.
As I say, you can disregard them in favour of TSE approved professionals.
I choose to disregard them in favour of the other 594,867 who chose not to sign the letter.
Actually by the way a good 10 or 15 of those signatories are retired so if I were to include al the retired medical professionals who chose not to sign the letter the numbers would be even more stark. I consider these signatories to be in a similar vein to the former Dr Andrew Wakefield.
On topic. The stat in the header that interests me the most is not that related to the UK but that related to Sweden.
The country that spent most of the first year of the pandemic claiming that lockdowns were not the way to proceed and then suffered as a consequence is now almost the least lockdown sceptic of the whole of Europe.
Oliver Johnson @BristOliver Thread: A year ago today we saw the lowest ever recorded number of COVID hospital admissions in England. The 22nd August 2020 figure was 25. I expect 22nd August 2021 will be around 800: that's five doublings higher, and I don't think that's good news, to say the least.
That's about 0.5% of all hospital beds in the UK - occupied in a single day. And that's if you include all the mental health beds, children's wards etc.
Or 25% of al the critical care beds in the UK. In a single day.
The data on which we are basing your covid assumptions is completely flawed, say some named health professionals.
Now I stress these are not TSE approved health professionals, nor have they been vetted by experts such as Alistair 100,00 cases. So caveat emptor, naturally.
These are health professionals we can disregard, because, well, they are nutters obviously. Whereas the doctors we listen to, like Susan Michie and that Pagel woman, are completely above reproach.
Andy Cook has done all the research for us anyway, and there's no point in arguing.
It is a masterpiece of nuttery. "nurses-paramedics-and-midwives" - why no hospital porters? chiropodists? dental technicians? Even the actual doctors there are retired spinal surgeons, psychatrists, and comedians like one Orthopaedic Consultant & Lifestyle Medicine Physician.
I warned you. The doctors involved have not been approved by expert doctor vetters on twitter and PB and so you can safely ignore.
Only engage with the opinions of those medical professionals approved by Sky News and the BBC, such as Christina Pagel and Susan Michie. And that bloke Edmunds who forecast 200,000 cases.
That way, you will be safe. These are the experts and its their narrative that counts.
Well, yes. They are virologists and epidemiologists speaking on issues of virology and epidemiology. Experts.
As I believe I have already warned you, satire is not as easy as it looks.
Neither Michie nor Pagel is a virus expert or an epidemiologist. Neither for that matter is David King, Steve Reicher or Kit Yates. All the leading lights of iSAGE.
The FDA is urging people to stop taking veterinary drugs to treat or prevent Covid-19 after receiving multiple reports of patients who have been hospitalized after "self-medicating with ivermectin intended for horses," the FDA says.
The FDA is urging people to stop taking veterinary drugs to treat or prevent Covid-19 after receiving multiple reports of patients who have been hospitalized after "self-medicating with ivermectin intended for horses," the FDA says.
”As things currently stand, the evidence strongly suggests that Covid-19 arose after a natural spillover event, but nobody is yet in a position to rule out an alternative,” he said.
This point is backed by Professor James Wood, of Cambridge University. “I think there is very strong evidence for this being caused by natural spillovers but that argument simply does not suit some political groups. They promote the idea that Covid-19 was caused by a lab leak because such a claim deflects attention from increasing evidence that indicates biodiversity loss, deforestation and wildlife trade – which increase the dangers of natural spillovers – are the real dangers that we face from pandemics.”
In other words, fiddling with viruses in laboratories is not the dangerous activity. The real threat comes from the wildlife trade, bulldozing rainforests and clearing wildernesses to provide land for farms and to gain access to mines. As vegetation and wildlife are destroyed, countless species of viruses and the bacteria they host are set loose to seek new hosts, such as humans and domestic livestock. This has happened with HIV, Sars and very probably Covid-19.
The data on which we are basing your covid assumptions is completely flawed, say some named health professionals.
Now I stress these are not TSE approved health professionals, nor have they been vetted by experts such as Alistair 100,00 cases. So caveat emptor, naturally.
These are health professionals we can disregard, because, well, they are nutters obviously. Whereas the doctors we listen to, like Susan Michie and that Pagel woman, are completely above reproach.
Andy Cook has done all the research for us anyway, and there's no point in arguing.
It is a masterpiece of nuttery. "nurses-paramedics-and-midwives" - why no hospital porters? chiropodists? dental technicians? Even the actual doctors there are retired spinal surgeons, psychatrists, and comedians like one Orthopaedic Consultant & Lifestyle Medicine Physician.
I warned you. The doctors involved have not been approved by expert doctor vetters on twitter and PB and so you can safely ignore.
Only engage with the opinions of those medical professionals approved by Sky News and the BBC, such as Christina Pagel and Susan Michie. And that bloke Edmunds who forecast 200,000 cases.
That way, you will be safe. These are the experts and its their narrative that counts.
Well, yes. They are virologists and epidemiologists speaking on issues of virology and epidemiology. Experts.
As I believe I have already warned you, satire is not as easy as it looks.
Neither Michie nor Pagel is a virus expert or an epidemiologist. Neither for that matter is David King, Steve Reicher or Kit Yates. All the leading lights of iSAGE.
So ignore them. Why do they add credibility to the Consultant in Contraception and Reproductive Health, Consultant Radiologist, Community Mental Health Nurse and all the retired anaesthetists on contrarian's list?
The data on which we are basing your covid assumptions is completely flawed, say some named health professionals.
Now I stress these are not TSE approved health professionals, nor have they been vetted by experts such as Alistair 100,00 cases. So caveat emptor, naturally.
These are health professionals we can disregard, because, well, they are nutters obviously. Whereas the doctors we listen to, like Susan Michie and that Pagel woman, are completely above reproach.
Andy Cook has done all the research for us anyway, and there's no point in arguing.
It is a masterpiece of nuttery. "nurses-paramedics-and-midwives" - why no hospital porters? chiropodists? dental technicians? Even the actual doctors there are retired spinal surgeons, psychatrists, and comedians like one Orthopaedic Consultant & Lifestyle Medicine Physician.
I warned you. The doctors involved have not been approved by expert doctor vetters on twitter and PB and so you can safely ignore.
Only engage with the opinions of those medical professionals approved by Sky News and the BBC, such as Christina Pagel and Susan Michie. And that bloke Edmunds who forecast 200,000 cases.
That way, you will be safe. These are the experts and its their narrative that counts.
Well, yes. They are virologists and epidemiologists speaking on issues of virology and epidemiology. Experts.
As I believe I have already warned you, satire is not as easy as it looks.
Neither Michie nor Pagel is a virus expert or an epidemiologist. Neither for that matter is David King, Steve Reicher or Kit Yates. All the leading lights of iSAGE.
So ignore them. Why do they add credibility to the Consultant in Contraception and Reproductive Health, Consultant Radiologist, Community Mental Health Nurse and all the retired anaesthetists on contrarian's list?
The corona centrists, who chart a middle ground between the Contrarians and the iSAGEs of the world, are the only ones to listen to.
The data on which we are basing your covid assumptions is completely flawed, say some named health professionals.
Now I stress these are not TSE approved health professionals, nor have they been vetted by experts such as Alistair 100,00 cases. So caveat emptor, naturally.
These are health professionals we can disregard, because, well, they are nutters obviously. Whereas the doctors we listen to, like Susan Michie and that Pagel woman, are completely above reproach.
Andy Cook has done all the research for us anyway, and there's no point in arguing.
It is a masterpiece of nuttery. "nurses-paramedics-and-midwives" - why no hospital porters? chiropodists? dental technicians? Even the actual doctors there are retired spinal surgeons, psychatrists, and comedians like one Orthopaedic Consultant & Lifestyle Medicine Physician.
I warned you. The doctors involved have not been approved by expert doctor vetters on twitter and PB and so you can safely ignore.
Only engage with the opinions of those medical professionals approved by Sky News and the BBC, such as Christina Pagel and Susan Michie. And that bloke Edmunds who forecast 200,000 cases.
That way, you will be safe. These are the experts and its their narrative that counts.
Well, yes. They are virologists and epidemiologists speaking on issues of virology and epidemiology. Experts.
As I believe I have already warned you, satire is not as easy as it looks.
Neither Michie nor Pagel is a virus expert or an epidemiologist. Neither for that matter is David King, Steve Reicher or Kit Yates. All the leading lights of iSAGE.
So ignore them. Why do they add credibility to the Consultant in Contraception and Reproductive Health, Consultant Radiologist, Community Mental Health Nurse and all the retired anaesthetists on contrarian's list?
I was just making the point that although they seem to be 'goto' for the media none of the people mentioned except Edmunds is a virologist or epidemiologist.
Oliver Johnson @BristOliver Thread: A year ago today we saw the lowest ever recorded number of COVID hospital admissions in England. The 22nd August 2020 figure was 25. I expect 22nd August 2021 will be around 800: that's five doublings higher, and I don't think that's good news, to say the least.
Its why I don't understand the pissing about with booster jabs. Get em done.
800 admissions is jut over 1 per parliamentary constituency - hardly overwhelming hospitals is it?
800 people in hospital who don't need to be. I would suggest that is something worth trying to avoid if all it takes is a jab.
Being double jabbed does not stop you getting covid, getting covid seriously, or passing on covid.
It overwhelmingly stops you ending up in hospital or dying of it.
No what stops you ending up in hospital is your age, overall fitness, and whether you have co-morbidities or not. Why do you think we protect the vulnerable?
So vaccination does nothing to reduce the risk of hospitilisation.
What are you smoking, and can I have some of it?
No I am not saying that. For the vulnerable and older people the vaccines are very useful.
Your earlier post said exactly that. In reply to a comment saying being vaccinated "overwhelmingly stops you ending up in hospital or dying of it", you replied saying that it doesn't.
Its probably 'overwhelming' if you are an old or vulnerable person, sure, but if you are a young person having a vaccine is of no consequence whatever. You would not be in hospital or die whether you had a vaccine or not. Why? because you are young and healthy.
That is totally wrong, complete bollocks. Vaccination dramatically reduces the risk of hospitalisation in *all* age groups.
I do not see how you could possibly claim that, given that healthy people under 16 have not even been vaccinated. and medical professionals are not even sure if they should be. They only u-turned on 16 and 17-year olds recently. Healthy young people simply do not suffer much from covid.
Hence the claim that the young are being used as a human shield for the old.
1. It would be genuinely surprising if vaccination cut hospital risk for all other groups other than the under 16s.
2. In the US and in most other European countries, under 16s are being vaccinated.
A mosque manager who sparked fury among worshippers after he shared a social media post that appeared to support the Taliban has been issued with a warning by police.
Saddique Hussain, general manager of Central Jamia Mosque Ghamkol Sharif in Small Heath, Birmingham, was quizzed by officers after he shared a video showing an armed group of Taliban leaders in Kabul on his Facebook page.
The post has now been removed and the mosque manager has issued a full apology for any offence caused.
Mr Hussain said he 'does not and never has supported the Taliban' and 'should have thought before he shared the post'.
Was thinking about Iraq. The wrong war at the wrong time. What if it was the right war at the wrong time? Bush 1 had a global coalition lined up with the wind of morality behind them, Saddam having just invaded Kuwait. One wonders what might have happened had they pushed onto Baghdad and what state Iraq would be in now.
The data on which we are basing your covid assumptions is completely flawed, say some named health professionals.
Now I stress these are not TSE approved health professionals, nor have they been vetted by experts such as Alistair 100,00 cases. So caveat emptor, naturally.
These are health professionals we can disregard, because, well, they are nutters obviously. Whereas the doctors we listen to, like Susan Michie and that Pagel woman, are completely above reproach.
Andy Cook has done all the research for us anyway, and there's no point in arguing.
It is a masterpiece of nuttery. "nurses-paramedics-and-midwives" - why no hospital porters? chiropodists? dental technicians? Even the actual doctors there are retired spinal surgeons, psychatrists, and comedians like one Orthopaedic Consultant & Lifestyle Medicine Physician.
I warned you. The doctors involved have not been approved by expert doctor vetters on twitter and PB and so you can safely ignore.
Only engage with the opinions of those medical professionals approved by Sky News and the BBC, such as Christina Pagel and Susan Michie. And that bloke Edmunds who forecast 200,000 cases.
That way, you will be safe. These are the experts and its their narrative that counts.
Well, yes. They are virologists and epidemiologists speaking on issues of virology and epidemiology. Experts.
As I believe I have already warned you, satire is not as easy as it looks.
Neither Michie nor Pagel is a virus expert or an epidemiologist. Neither for that matter is David King, Steve Reicher or Kit Yates. All the leading lights of iSAGE.
So ignore them. Why do they add credibility to the Consultant in Contraception and Reproductive Health, Consultant Radiologist, Community Mental Health Nurse and all the retired anaesthetists on contrarian's list?
I was just making the point that although they seem to be 'goto' for the media none of the people mentioned except Edmunds is a virologist or epidemiologist.
Picking two Arsenal defenders in my fantasy football team may not have been my cleverest move.
Picking ANY Arsenal players in your fantasy football team may not be cleverest move....
Yeah.
Still it gets easier for Arsenal, they play Man City away next weekend.
They are going to be bottom of the league with zero points going into the international break aren't they?
Yes, Norwich at home is probably their first chance to get a point (though loads of people assumed they'd beat Brentford so who knows). They'll definitely be bottom though.
”As things currently stand, the evidence strongly suggests that Covid-19 arose after a natural spillover event, but nobody is yet in a position to rule out an alternative,” he said.
This point is backed by Professor James Wood, of Cambridge University. “I think there is very strong evidence for this being caused by natural spillovers but that argument simply does not suit some political groups. They promote the idea that Covid-19 was caused by a lab leak because such a claim deflects attention from increasing evidence that indicates biodiversity loss, deforestation and wildlife trade – which increase the dangers of natural spillovers – are the real dangers that we face from pandemics.”
In other words, fiddling with viruses in laboratories is not the dangerous activity. The real threat comes from the wildlife trade, bulldozing rainforests and clearing wildernesses to provide land for farms and to gain access to mines. As vegetation and wildlife are destroyed, countless species of viruses and the bacteria they host are set loose to seek new hosts, such as humans and domestic livestock. This has happened with HIV, Sars and very probably Covid-19.
A typical Cambridge and the Guardian scientist: goes straight to: Which theory sends the right kind of political message? rather than, Which theory is true? This is the legacy of 20 years of scientists not being sufficiently confident that global warming would actually make itself manifest, and therefore thinking they had to lie about the evidence to be on the safe side.
Yes, I read that article and felt similarly. It is abundantly clear the evidence now points heavily to lab leak, everybody knows this. Yet that same Guardian journalist has been writing anti-lab-leak articles for 16 months, and quoting the same anti-lab-leak scientists. He can’t just turn around and say Sorry that was all shit, we were all wrong
It throbs with nostalgic regret and denial, and, even as the fire dies out, a desperate attempt at rekindling the embers.
And then at the end, an attempt to rewrite inevitable history: even if it did come from the lab (oh god it didn’t, did it??) this is all about our bad treatment of animals, nothing to do with science
It’s a bad article.
But it is a fair point that co-mingling of human and animal populations in close proximity (eg house chickens in turkey) results in increased risk of zoonotic episodes
In less than 48 hours Biden's entire domestic agenda is going to be blown up by 9 Democrats who apparently don't understand that the bill is insanely popular.
Or 9 Democrats who understand that there are mid-terms next year and the Democrats' control of both Houses is at stake.
What they are proposing is that the $1trn bill go through, and that the additional $3trn be voted on separately. Pelosi and the Squad don't want that because they know that the $3trn won't pass on its own.
Dems are probably going to lose the house almost regardless of what they do in office - good or bad. They all need to work on that basis.
SAS hacker squad's cover is blown... by a job advert: Special Forces pull listing for £33,000-a-year role to work for secretive Computer Network Operations Exploitation Unit
Probably Key West for Christmas won’t happen this year.
I presume given how magnetic key west is for anti-government conspiracy theorist nutters, the vaccination rate might be a tad low around those parts
Yeah, which is a shame cos be and the Wife quite like it.
Mrs U worked down there for a while. There are worse places to have to spend some time.
Had one of my best ever meals there in 1988, Tuna steaks and the key lime pie was brilliant. Watched the sun going down , was brilliant. Sure it will be a lot more commercial nowadays mind you.
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Afghanistan has been an unmitigated, unforced disaster. For that, Biden deserves all that is coming his way. But it doesn't mean everything that is going wrong under his watch is his fault.
What are you smoking, and can I have some of it?
Quarantine and vaccinate the sick and vulnerable. Let healthy people live their lives.
Sweden is pretty near table topping in thinking lockdowns are net neutral, and the number of positives is lower than most of Western Europe - you're basing a conclusion on 1/3rd of the data presented when the rest does not agree.
PS Question for the PB brains trust: Is "musn't grumble" an oxymoron?
https://twitter.com/banditelli/status/1429441028298133506?s=19
A better criticism would be why Boris didn't influence Biden better as Cameron did over a decidedly sceptical Obama over Libya in 2011.
What they are proposing is that the $1trn bill go through, and that the additional $3trn be voted on separately. Pelosi and the Squad don't want that because they know that the $3trn won't pass on its own.
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Sweden: Prime Minister Stefan Löfven has announced he will leave his position as leader of the Social Democrats (S-S&D) and Head of Government at the party’s congress in November, less than one year ahead of the country’s general election. "
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1428777425731825670?s=19
Only engage with the opinions of those medical professionals approved by Sky News and the BBC, such as Christina Pagel and Susan Michie. And that bloke Edmunds who forecast 200,000 cases.
That way, you will be safe. These are the experts and its their narrative that counts.
Hence the claim that the young are being used as a human shield for the old.
Here's a graphic showing the effect of vaccination, even as young as 25-34 the effect is profound.
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/files/2021/05/image1.png
As I believe I have already warned you, satire is not as easy as it looks.
First you take a subset of the group and look only at Western European Countries. Then you try and limit the 'think they work' to those who only think they do more good than harm when the two points are not comparable. There may be many amongst the 'Do both equally' who think they work but are not sure the social consequences are worth it.
You have basically drawn an unsustainable conclusion from a partial reading of the data and used that to justify an unsupportable statement.
Yes we have delta now, and yes, the numbers would be much higher without vaccination. But you cannot prove the extent of the impact because we have no test experiment in the UK with lower vaxx rates.
What we do have is a test experiment in the US with delta versus lower vaxx rates. I am have not had a look at those in a while, but I did read that whilst some lo vaxx states were undoubtedly struggling, so were some high vaxx states (eg Hawaii). I also read that Israel is struggling, even though they are quite high vaxx.
And no, comparing two rates on two arbitrary dates really isn't interesting.
Saddique Hussain, general manager of Central Jamia Mosque Ghamkol Sharif in Small Heath, Birmingham, was quizzed by officers after he shared a video showing an armed group of Taliban leaders in Kabul on his Facebook page.
The post has now been removed and the mosque manager has issued a full apology for any offence caused.
Mr Hussain said he 'does not and never has supported the Taliban' and 'should have thought before he shared the post'.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9916539/Police-quiz-manager-Birmingham-mosque.html
UK: very high level of vaccination, relatively unintrusive level of NPI.
Go on, show you have the intellectual flexibility to admit you were wrong on this one, whatever your view of lockdowns.
Actually by the way a good 10 or 15 of those signatories are retired so if I were to include al the retired medical professionals who chose not to sign the letter the numbers would be even more stark. I consider these signatories to be in a similar vein to the former Dr Andrew Wakefield.
Or 25% of al the critical care beds in the UK. In a single day.
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1429432187523305472?s=20
2. In the US and in most other European countries, under 16s are being vaccinated.
What a country this is.
Still it gets easier for Arsenal, they play Man City away next weekend.
They are going to be bottom of the league with zero points going into the international break aren't they?
Non-existent party, wrong party, genuinely amazing
But it is a fair point that co-mingling of human and animal populations in close proximity (eg house chickens in turkey) results in increased risk of zoonotic episodes
I ended backing Lukaku and Salah as top goalscorers this season.
Ings is 20, might be worth as a trading bet.
wankersantivaxxers....team full ofwankersantivaxxers.ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,.....antivaxxer.....
You recognise you are grumbling and tell yourself off for it
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9915117/SAS-hacker-squads-cover-blown-job-advert.html
£33k a year, you aren't exactly going to get the best and the brightest at that level of pay!