It could be US govt but possibly private. A number of private initiatives in US trying to get Afghans out has chartered aircraft but has had trouble getting slots at KBL faciliated by the US operation.
Any chance of opening Bagram?
It was on the mission options the US DoD had, reportedly by initial airdrop to secure it but they decided on a 100% KBL approach. Whether it has any real advantage trying to open it now, I dont know. If for example it was out of sight, allowed KBL to be shut for the evacuation and enabled things to carry on whilst the Taliban got on with pacifying Kabul city then it might still be a consideration.
One of the more curious operations at the moment is the use of the Pakistan embassy as a gathering point for foreign nationals to be transported on to the airport.
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
Meanwhile Trump said of the withdrawal ''This will go down as one of the greatest military defeats of all time,'' at an Alabama rally as he begins the first steps for his third presidential run in 2024. Though there were some boos when he suggested getting the vaccine
I am now really worried that he'll be back. This is an absolute gift to him.
Trump's pushing the vaccine is a notable shift to the centre (his base will vote for him anyway given the alternative of Biden-Harris).
He is clearly going to try and present himself as Reagan to Biden's Carter after the equally disastrous Iran hostages affair, whether it comes off or not we will have to see
Since he got booed for it, it’s probably even money he doesn’t mention it ever again.
It was a nod aimed at centrist swing voters not his base, particularly those who voted for him in 2016 but for Biden in 2020 as they thought he would better handle Covid.
He got the newsclip he wanted therefore, as I said his base will vote for him regardless anyway, as he said 'they got their freedoms' under him too
Trump wont be the GOP nominee. He is a loser at the end of the day.
As in, how he lost WH 2016? Putting it another way, what if the end of the relevant day is post 2024? Extraordinary claim.
1) He is a busted flush. 2) The guy might even be dead in 2024. He is ancient and unhealthy after all.
It'll be someone from the GOP's next gen and they might very well win it.
Busted flush is just swapping metaphors. Very rich 70 something teetotallers are virtually guaranteed to survive into their 90s. People still seem to be turning up to his rallies.
Well that may be your view, but my view is that he won't even run and risk losing the primaries, never mind the election.
Trump is the past, even to the GOP.
We are a mere 18 months before traditional campaigning would commence for the New Hampshire primary. I have no idea why anyone would be confident Trump won’t be running or why they expect him to be in the ground by then. Denial I suppose.
Trump lost to an old man with borderline capacity issues who half the Democrats don't even like and who very well could have been beaten by Pete Buttigieg if Iowa could count.
Trump himself is going to be even older with even less energy in 18 months time. Realistically a younger GOPer will catch the zeitgeist, maybe even someone we haven't heard of yet.
You do talk nonsense at times. I don't detect any absolute decline in senility/energy in him (hard to tell now he's off twitter) and relative to sleepy Joe he looks younger and bouncier by the day.
Meanwhile Trump said of the withdrawal ''This will go down as one of the greatest military defeats of all time,'' at an Alabama rally as he begins the first steps for his third presidential run in 2024. Though there were some boos when he suggested getting the vaccine
I am now really worried that he'll be back. This is an absolute gift to him.
Trump's pushing the vaccine is a notable shift to the centre (his base will vote for him anyway given the alternative of Biden-Harris).
He is clearly going to try and present himself as Reagan to Biden's Carter after the equally disastrous Iran hostages affair, whether it comes off or not we will have to see
Since he got booed for it, it’s probably even money he doesn’t mention it ever again.
It was a nod aimed at centrist swing voters not his base, particularly those who voted for him in 2016 but for Biden in 2020 as they thought he would better handle Covid.
He got the newsclip he wanted therefore, as I said his base will vote for him regardless anyway, as he said 'they got their freedoms' under him too
Trump wont be the GOP nominee. He is a loser at the end of the day.
As in, how he lost WH 2016? Putting it another way, what if the end of the relevant day is post 2024? Extraordinary claim.
1) He is a busted flush. 2) The guy might even be dead in 2024. He is ancient and unhealthy after all.
It'll be someone from the GOP's next gen and they might very well win it.
Busted flush is just swapping metaphors. Very rich 70 something teetotallers are virtually guaranteed to survive into their 90s. People still seem to be turning up to his rallies.
Well that may be your view, but my view is that he won't even run and risk losing the primaries, never mind the election.
Trump is the past, even to the GOP.
We are a mere 18 months before traditional campaigning would commence for the New Hampshire primary. I have no idea why anyone would be confident Trump won’t be running or why they expect him to be in the ground by then. Denial I suppose.
Trump lost to an old man with borderline capacity issues who half the Democrats don't even like and who very well could have been beaten by Pete Buttigieg if Iowa could count.
Trump himself is going to be even older with even less energy in 18 months time. Realistically a younger GOPer will catch the zeitgeist, maybe even someone we haven't heard of yet.
You do talk nonsense at times. I don't detect any absolute decline in senility/energy in him (hard to tell now he's off twitter) and relative to sleepy Joe he looks younger and bouncier by the day.
I don't think it's nonsense at all. It's just common sense.
I guess we'll see.
At the end of the day it's important to focus on the next war, not the last war.
Meanwhile Trump said of the withdrawal ''This will go down as one of the greatest military defeats of all time,'' at an Alabama rally as he begins the first steps for his third presidential run in 2024. Though there were some boos when he suggested getting the vaccine
I am now really worried that he'll be back. This is an absolute gift to him.
Trump's pushing the vaccine is a notable shift to the centre (his base will vote for him anyway given the alternative of Biden-Harris).
He is clearly going to try and present himself as Reagan to Biden's Carter after the equally disastrous Iran hostages affair, whether it comes off or not we will have to see
Since he got booed for it, it’s probably even money he doesn’t mention it ever again.
It was a nod aimed at centrist swing voters not his base, particularly those who voted for him in 2016 but for Biden in 2020 as they thought he would better handle Covid.
He got the newsclip he wanted therefore, as I said his base will vote for him regardless anyway, as he said 'they got their freedoms' under him too
Trump wont be the GOP nominee. He is a loser at the end of the day.
Except Biden is giving Trump the oxygen to keep popping up for the next three years saying "They rigged the election - for THIS guy? Jeez...."
He doesn't need to win the argument with Democrats. Just independents.....
Trump 9/4 fav with bf for the nomination.
Who is favourite on BF is meaningless, as we all know very well.
really? have you done a study of bf favs vs actual nominees over a significant number of WH elections? Anyway if you really think that you should be laying the shit out of him at those odds.
Meanwhile Trump said of the withdrawal ''This will go down as one of the greatest military defeats of all time,'' at an Alabama rally as he begins the first steps for his third presidential run in 2024. Though there were some boos when he suggested getting the vaccine
I am now really worried that he'll be back. This is an absolute gift to him.
Trump's pushing the vaccine is a notable shift to the centre (his base will vote for him anyway given the alternative of Biden-Harris).
He is clearly going to try and present himself as Reagan to Biden's Carter after the equally disastrous Iran hostages affair, whether it comes off or not we will have to see
Since he got booed for it, it’s probably even money he doesn’t mention it ever again.
It was a nod aimed at centrist swing voters not his base, particularly those who voted for him in 2016 but for Biden in 2020 as they thought he would better handle Covid.
He got the newsclip he wanted therefore, as I said his base will vote for him regardless anyway, as he said 'they got their freedoms' under him too
Trump wont be the GOP nominee. He is a loser at the end of the day.
Except Biden is giving Trump the oxygen to keep popping up for the next three years saying "They rigged the election - for THIS guy? Jeez...."
He doesn't need to win the argument with Democrats. Just independents.....
Trump 9/4 fav with bf for the nomination.
Who is favourite on BF is meaningless, as we all know very well.
really? have you done a study of bf favs vs actual nominees over a significant number of WH elections? Anyway if you really think that you should be laying the shit out of him at those odds.
Yes, if Trump is Tony Blair. It was Blair who said the retreat was based on an imbecilic slogan about "forever wars."
Well yes. Here is what Trump said (I guess) according to Reuters:
""Biden’s botched exit from Afghanistan is the most astonishing display of gross incompetence by a nation’s leader, perhaps at any time," Trump said at a boisterous rally packed with his supporters near Cullman, Alabama."
I guess Trump likes to use superlatives even for his enemies (I use "enemy" and not "adversary" to keep up the momentum.)
Meanwhile Trump said of the withdrawal ''This will go down as one of the greatest military defeats of all time,'' at an Alabama rally as he begins the first steps for his third presidential run in 2024. Though there were some boos when he suggested getting the vaccine
I am now really worried that he'll be back. This is an absolute gift to him.
Trump's pushing the vaccine is a notable shift to the centre (his base will vote for him anyway given the alternative of Biden-Harris).
He is clearly going to try and present himself as Reagan to Biden's Carter after the equally disastrous Iran hostages affair, whether it comes off or not we will have to see
Since he got booed for it, it’s probably even money he doesn’t mention it ever again.
It was a nod aimed at centrist swing voters not his base, particularly those who voted for him in 2016 but for Biden in 2020 as they thought he would better handle Covid.
He got the newsclip he wanted therefore, as I said his base will vote for him regardless anyway, as he said 'they got their freedoms' under him too
Trump wont be the GOP nominee. He is a loser at the end of the day.
Except Biden is giving Trump the oxygen to keep popping up for the next three years saying "They rigged the election - for THIS guy? Jeez...."
He doesn't need to win the argument with Democrats. Just independents.....
Trump 9/4 fav with bf for the nomination.
Who is favourite on BF is meaningless, as we all know very well.
really? have you done a study of bf favs vs actual nominees over a significant number of WH elections? Anyway if you really think that you should be laying the shit out of him at those odds.
Have you?
No, but I haven't made any claim about it in the first place, so the retort just doesn't work, does it? Are you stoned?
Although it will be fun to see Doctor Who turned into a rip off of Lord of the Rings.
If you go to the Z'ha'dum...
MJZ can do broad sweeping ploy struxtire but sone of the dialogue on B5 was absolutely earth shatteringly awful - much of it was savedonly by the straight faced earnest delivery.
Aldo the absolute coup of having Peter Jurasik and Andreas Katsulis just casually filling a couple of key opposed roles with absolute and complete mastery and aplomb.
What Katsulas did with his eyes alone is an acting masterclass in itself.
They were both utterly brilliant and were my favourite part of the B5 series.
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
Proof that you really are one of the three monkeys.
Yes, if Trump is Tony Blair. It was Blair who said the retreat was based on an imbecilic slogan about "forever wars."
Well yes. Here is what Trump said (I guess) according to Reuters:
""Biden’s botched exit from Afghanistan is the most astonishing display of gross incompetence by a nation’s leader, perhaps at any time," Trump said at a boisterous rally packed with his supporters near Cullman, Alabama."
I I guess Trump likes to use superlatives even for his enemies (I use "enemy" and not "adversary" to keep up the momentum.)
He can't possibly be at a boisterous rally packed with his supporters, he's a busted flush. Gallowgate said so.
Meanwhile Trump said of the withdrawal ''This will go down as one of the greatest military defeats of all time,'' at an Alabama rally as he begins the first steps for his third presidential run in 2024. Though there were some boos when he suggested getting the vaccine
I am now really worried that he'll be back. This is an absolute gift to him.
Trump's pushing the vaccine is a notable shift to the centre (his base will vote for him anyway given the alternative of Biden-Harris).
He is clearly going to try and present himself as Reagan to Biden's Carter after the equally disastrous Iran hostages affair, whether it comes off or not we will have to see
Since he got booed for it, it’s probably even money he doesn’t mention it ever again.
It was a nod aimed at centrist swing voters not his base, particularly those who voted for him in 2016 but for Biden in 2020 as they thought he would better handle Covid.
He got the newsclip he wanted therefore, as I said his base will vote for him regardless anyway, as he said 'they got their freedoms' under him too
Trump wont be the GOP nominee. He is a loser at the end of the day.
Except Biden is giving Trump the oxygen to keep popping up for the next three years saying "They rigged the election - for THIS guy? Jeez...."
He doesn't need to win the argument with Democrats. Just independents.....
Trump 9/4 fav with bf for the nomination.
Who is favourite on BF is meaningless, as we all know very well.
really? have you done a study of bf favs vs actual nominees over a significant number of WH elections? Anyway if you really think that you should be laying the shit out of him at those odds.
Have you?
No, but I haven't made any claim about it in the first place, so the retort just doesn't work, does it? Are you stoned?
You were the one who used 'Trump is favourite on BF' to support your point.
Yes, if Trump is Tony Blair. It was Blair who said the retreat was based on an imbecilic slogan about "forever wars."
Well yes. Here is what Trump said (I guess) according to Reuters:
""Biden’s botched exit from Afghanistan is the most astonishing display of gross incompetence by a nation’s leader, perhaps at any time," Trump said at a boisterous rally packed with his supporters near Cullman, Alabama."
I I guess Trump likes to use superlatives even for his enemies (I use "enemy" and not "adversary" to keep up the momentum.)
He can't possibly be at a boisterous rally packed with his supporters, he's a busted flush. Gallowgate said so.
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
Meanwhile Trump said of the withdrawal ''This will go down as one of the greatest military defeats of all time,'' at an Alabama rally as he begins the first steps for his third presidential run in 2024. Though there were some boos when he suggested getting the vaccine
I am now really worried that he'll be back. This is an absolute gift to him.
Trump's pushing the vaccine is a notable shift to the centre (his base will vote for him anyway given the alternative of Biden-Harris).
He is clearly going to try and present himself as Reagan to Biden's Carter after the equally disastrous Iran hostages affair, whether it comes off or not we will have to see
Since he got booed for it, it’s probably even money he doesn’t mention it ever again.
It was a nod aimed at centrist swing voters not his base, particularly those who voted for him in 2016 but for Biden in 2020 as they thought he would better handle Covid.
He got the newsclip he wanted therefore, as I said his base will vote for him regardless anyway, as he said 'they got their freedoms' under him too
Trump wont be the GOP nominee. He is a loser at the end of the day.
Except Biden is giving Trump the oxygen to keep popping up for the next three years saying "They rigged the election - for THIS guy? Jeez...."
He doesn't need to win the argument with Democrats. Just independents.....
Trump 9/4 fav with bf for the nomination.
Who is favourite on BF is meaningless, as we all know very well.
really? have you done a study of bf favs vs actual nominees over a significant number of WH elections? Anyway if you really think that you should be laying the shit out of him at those odds.
Have you?
No, but I haven't made any claim about it in the first place, so the retort just doesn't work, does it? Are you stoned?
You were the one who used 'Trump is favourite on BF' to support your point.
No I didn't, I was stating the current odds as a matter of general interest on a betting site.
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Jeez, the idea that Trump is done sure does upset some people.
Do fuck off. I said a couple of hours ago on this thread that I was *greatly afraid* of Trump making a comeback. If the distinction between what people want to happen and what people think will happen is that opaque to you, I think you may have made an unwise career choice.
It could be US govt but possibly private. A number of private initiatives in US trying to get Afghans out has chartered aircraft but has had trouble getting slots at KBL faciliated by the US operation.
Any chance of opening Bagram?
Not unless they want to restart the conflict. Seems unlikely.
I wondwr if any other nation has been subject to more project fear about not locking down than the British? Only way to explain the numbers in this poll. I hope to God the government never again countenances another lockdown.
Jeez, the idea that Trump is done sure does upset some people.
I hope you are right. I fear you might be wrong. I don't wish ill health or death on any man, not even Trump, but I do find myself wishing something could happen that would make him decide not to run. Biden is turning out to be just as rubbish as I feared - even though I still preferred him over Trump.... just.
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I'd like to know why people think I was predicting 100,000 cases a day?
Multiple people have said that now and they are either entirely misguided or bare faced liars.
We ain't done yet. Let's see what happens in September, though we aren't close to it yet.
Schools going back (especially as younger cohorts have not been vaccinated in the UK) will act as an accelerant on cases.
I don't think we'll reach 100k/day, but I think it could be pretty close. 100k is - after all - just two doublings from here.
Now, a lot of the growth will be concentrated in the young: but those kids will take Delta back to granny, and that is a risk.
I've been one of the most consistently optimistic posters on here, and I think we'll weather this, but the Autumn could be quite difficult for us.
Random musings:
- I suspect countries that were happy to mix-and-match vaccines will end up doing better this time. We should (and could) have done that.
- I suspect that nasally administered vaccines will turn out to be much more effective in stopping people catching and spreading Delta, as it means that the immune system is primed in the right place.
- Viral load matters - the bigger the dose of the virus you get, the more likely you are to get really sick. And schools full of kids with Delta (plus public transport) are going to be absolutely appalling from that perspective. Expect a lot of teachers / bus drivers to get pretty sick.
Seems to me that if we’re stubbornly at 30k cases a day now, the most amenable time of the year in every way, it’s almost certain we’ll get to 100k per day before Xmas, with season effect, schools, unis, and the great Back To Work. The only reason I can see that we wouldn’t is if testing rates fall back.
Whether that level of cases matters or not we shall see. Failing to go gangbusters with the boosters will I fear be perhaps the governments gravest mistake so far in all this.
It is madness that we have vaccines lying around, unused.
People who got Pfizer early on, should be given an AZ booster. People who got AZ early on, should be given a Pfizer/Moderna booster.
12-16 year olds whose parents want them to have the vaccine should be vaccinated.
And we should be experimenting with nasally administered boosters. The double positive of nasal administration is that it makes it even easier to adminster, and is less "scary" than a needle.
Nasal administration is not trivial in vaccine development. It took ages for MedImmune (AstraZeneca) to make FluMist work
There is a trial ongoing, isn’t there ?
I think so (from memory).
Another advantage is the significantly lower dose required.
I wondwr if any other nation has been subject to more project fear about not locking down than the British? Only way to explain the numbers in this poll. I hope to God the government never again countenances another lockdown.
Many European countries have had far more severe lockdowns than the UK.
Jeez, the idea that Trump is done sure does upset some people.
Do fuck off. I said a couple of hours ago on this thread that I was *greatly afraid* of Trump making a comeback. If the distinction between what people want to happen and what people think will happen is that opaque to you, I think you may have made an unwise career choice.
What is wrong with you?
I put forward my point of view, supported with my reasoning, and I've been met by a tirade of abuse from you.
You don't have to agree, and that's okay. Nevertheless, the beauty is that we don't know what's going to happen. We don't know if Trump will run again, if he does, we don't know he will win the primary, and if he does, we don't know if he'll win the election.
There's all manner of events that could happen between then and now and as I've said, I don't think Trump will run, never mind win.
Ultimately I don't really care. America is mental.
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
So Corbyn improved on Miliband in 2017? Was that because Jezza was left of Ed?
A US charter airline startup, Global X, has 2 Airbus planes according to their website. The site says its partners are casinos, cruise lines, resorts and cargo companies. Both planes just flew into kabul from Dushanbe. Who's likely chartering these?
US govt. I have just read they are chartering civvy planes. Will look for source.
Though interestingly the US defence department had said this afternoon that they would not be using their chartered planes to actually fly into Kabul, only to fly the refugees on from safe airports outside of Afghanistan so freeing up US military capacity for the Kabul runs.
Given that every plane I have seen fly out of Kabul on the news the last few days has been using anti-missile systems I am surprised if the US military is using aircraft that are not equipped in this manner.
Chartered civil flights of all sorts of origins for all sorts of end customers have been going in and out throughout the evacuation, even today.
I wondwr if any other nation has been subject to more project fear about not locking down than the British? Only way to explain the numbers in this poll. I hope to God the government never again countenances another lockdown.
When not shutting the border has let various variants flood into this country, it is entertaining that you describe fact as "project fear".
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Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
So Corbyn improved on Miliband in 2017? Was that because Jezza was left of Ed?
Corbyn improved on Milliband even more in 2019. What a result! One more heave and then True Socialism comrades!
"MATTHEW SYED In a land with 14 tribes named in its anthem, we were played like a violin Liberal democracy was never going to work in Afghanistan, where ethnic affiliation is paramount" (£)
Virological characteristics of SARS-CoV-2 vaccine breakthrough infections in health care workers https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.20.21262158v1 SARS-CoV-2 vaccines are highly effective at preventing COVID-19-related morbidity and mortality. As no vaccine is 100% effective, breakthrough infections are expected to occur. We analyzed the virological characteristics of 161 vaccine breakthrough infections in a population of 24,706 vaccinated healthcare workers (HCWs), using RT-PCR and virus culture. The delta variant (B.1.617.2) was identified in the majority of cases. Despite similar Ct-values, we demonstrate lower probability of infectious virus detection in respiratory samples of vaccinated HCWs with breakthrough infections compared to unvaccinated HCWs with primary SARS-CoV-2 infections. Nevertheless, infectious virus was found in 68.6% of breakthrough infections and Ct-values decreased throughout the first 3 days of illness. We conclude that rare vaccine breakthrough infections occur, but infectious virus shedding is reduced in these cases.
Jeez, the idea that Trump is done sure does upset some people.
Do fuck off. I said a couple of hours ago on this thread that I was *greatly afraid* of Trump making a comeback. If the distinction between what people want to happen and what people think will happen is that opaque to you, I think you may have made an unwise career choice.
What is wrong with you?
I put forward my point of view, supported with my reasoning, and I've been met by a tirade of abuse from you.
You don't have to agree, and that's okay. Nevertheless, the beauty is that we don't know what's going to happen. We don't know if Trump will run again, if he does, we don't know he will win the primary, and if he does, we don't know if he'll win the election.
There's all manner of events that could happen between then and now and as I've said, I don't think Trump will run, never mind win.
Ultimately I don't really care. America is mental.
I was actually just pointing out the flaws in your reasoning, until you accused me of being "upset that Trump was done." But whatever. To me Trump today looks fair value at 5/1 for WH 2024 (and Biden a clear lay at 10/3).
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Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
So Corbyn improved on Miliband in 2017? Was that because Jezza was left of Ed?
Then Corbyn did worse than Miliband in 2019, neither ever did better than Blair or Brown in Scotland
He is a monster, straight out of the Brothers Grimm. That is what monsters do.
He is like an animal that will roll on its back and pretend to be dead, and then he will rise up and rip your fucking throat out.
Only way Trump is not going to run is if a stake is driven through his shrivelled heart.
And even then, I'd want the corpse burnt, and the ashes put in a trash can, and the trash can towed out to the remotest sea so there is no danger of any of the ash ending up onshore.
And even then, I would not be sure, not really sure ...
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
So Corbyn improved on Miliband in 2017? Was that because Jezza was left of Ed?
Corbyn improved on Milliband even more in 2019. What a result! One more heave and then True Socialism comrades!
Not in Scotland he didn't.
Corbyn did better in England than in Scotland in both 2017 and 2019.
Scots it seems hated Corbyn the most of all the home nations in GB
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
Jeez, the idea that Trump is done sure does upset some people.
Do fuck off. I said a couple of hours ago on this thread that I was *greatly afraid* of Trump making a comeback. If the distinction between what people want to happen and what people think will happen is that opaque to you, I think you may have made an unwise career choice.
What is wrong with you?
I put forward my point of view, supported with my reasoning, and I've been met by a tirade of abuse from you.
You don't have to agree, and that's okay. Nevertheless, the beauty is that we don't know what's going to happen. We don't know if Trump will run again, if he does, we don't know he will win the primary, and if he does, we don't know if he'll win the election.
There's all manner of events that could happen between then and now and as I've said, I don't think Trump will run, never mind win.
Ultimately I don't really care. America is mental.
I was actually just pointing out the flaws in your reasoning, until you accused me of being "upset that Trump was done." But whatever. To me Trump today looks fair value at 5/1 for WH 2024 (and Biden a clear lay at 10/3).
Yes, if Trump runs I would say 1/3 he wins, and with the nomination I would give him 2/1, so 5/1 on next POTUS looks value.
The second coming would make the first Trump term look sane though.
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
Jeez, the idea that Trump is done sure does upset some people.
Do fuck off. I said a couple of hours ago on this thread that I was *greatly afraid* of Trump making a comeback. If the distinction between what people want to happen and what people think will happen is that opaque to you, I think you may have made an unwise career choice.
What is wrong with you?
I put forward my point of view, supported with my reasoning, and I've been met by a tirade of abuse from you.
You don't have to agree, and that's okay. Nevertheless, the beauty is that we don't know what's going to happen. We don't know if Trump will run again, if he does, we don't know he will win the primary, and if he does, we don't know if he'll win the election.
There's all manner of events that could happen between then and now and as I've said, I don't think Trump will run, never mind win.
Ultimately I don't really care. America is mental.
I was actually just pointing out the flaws in your reasoning, until you accused me of being "upset that Trump was done." But whatever. To me Trump today looks fair value at 5/1 for WH 2024 (and Biden a clear lay at 10/3).
Yes, if Trump runs I would say 1/3 he wins, and with the nomination I would give him 2/1, so 5/1 on next POTUS looks value.
The second coming would make the first Trump term look sane though.
I don’t doubt he could win. Most sitting republicans are too fearty to try and seriously stop him. Filling his cabinet would be good fun after the Capitol debacle.
Boris Johnson ‘serious’ on delivering tunnel or bridge linking Northern Ireland and Scotland, says former aide
Dominic Cummings described it as “the world’s most stupid tunnel to Ireland”.
However, Mr Johnson’s former communications director Guto Harri believes a ‘Boris Burrow’ or ‘Boris Bridge’ should not be dismissed entirely.
“He wants to maintain the union and he wants to persuade the rest of the world that we're still big players and can build big things - and what would be bigger than a tunnel under the Irish Sea, linking Scotland and Northern Ireland?” he told BBC Radio Ulster’s and Radio Scotland’s Boris’ Tunnel Vision.
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
He is a monster, straight out of the Brothers Grimm. That is what monsters do.
He is like an animal that will roll on its back and pretend to be dead, and then he will rise up and rip your fucking throat out.
Only way Trump is not going to run is if a stake is driven through his shrivelled heart.
And even then, I'd want the corpse burnt, and the ashes put in a trash can, and the trash can towed out to the remotest sea so there is no danger of any of the ash ending up onshore.
And even then, I would not be sure, not really sure ...
Of course, Trump will run.
Of course he will run. He may even get the GOP ticket. He may even win the election.
Confirmation - if it were needed - that the Greens are idiots.
I would be interested if there is any way we can track how many people are tripping/being injured from uneven pavements now vs 5 years ago. I always worry that stuff like this is just a few anecdotes reaching the media in a cluster.
He is a monster, straight out of the Brothers Grimm. That is what monsters do.
He is like an animal that will roll on its back and pretend to be dead, and then he will rise up and rip your fucking throat out.
Only way Trump is not going to run is if a stake is driven through his shrivelled heart.
And even then, I'd want the corpse burnt, and the ashes put in a trash can, and the trash can towed out to the remotest sea so there is no danger of any of the ash ending up onshore.
And even then, I would not be sure, not really sure ...
Of course, Trump will run.
Can't fault the logic here.
I have no idea why some on here think he wont run and win the nomination (unless he is dead or in jail). i doubt anyone else will even stand.
I wondwr if any other nation has been subject to more project fear about not locking down than the British? Only way to explain the numbers in this poll. I hope to God the government never again countenances another lockdown.
They weren't in the poll, but my guess is New Zealand media has been more pro-lockdown than British media, on average.
I have not commented much today as we have a family crisis with my eldest son in Vancouver mental health, but I just have to say listening to Biden 'live' just now he said he thinks there is a G7 meeting next week on Tuesday but I am not sure !!!!!!
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
Would it have been something to do with Indyref? Still, as long as unionists think that Scots think the 69.5% Brown figure hasn’t changed, I’ll be happy. Please don’t disabuse them!
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
I have not commented much today as we have a family crisis with my eldest son in Vancouver mental health, but I just have to say listening to Biden 'live' just now he said he thinks there is a G7 meeting next week on Tuesday but I am not sure !!!!!!
It is just so embarrassing but also dangerous
LONDON, Aug 22 (Reuters) - Britain plans to push world leaders to consider new sanctions on the Taliban when the G7 meet on Tuesday to discuss the crisis in Afghanistan, sources told Reuters.
Edit: Very sorry to hear your son's news. I think of late you had said things were getting better after some treatment?
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
Corbyn led Labour to its worst Scottish performance ever at a Westminster election in 2019, by going so far left plenty of moderate Unionist Scots voted Tory or LD in 2019.
The Nationalists of course will keep voting SNP regardless and even Sturgeon is a social democrat ie right of Corbyn, not a socialist like he is
Discussionas underway about extending the current evacuation out of Kabul beyond 31st according to Biden.
It appears the US plan was that they hope the undertanding that they think they have with the Taliban would mean that, even if they called it a day in terms of the military led operation that those eligible would still be allowed out by other means e.g. charters etc would still continue. In effect the Taliban decide 100%.
I have not commented much today as we have a family crisis with my eldest son in Vancouver mental health, but I just have to say listening to Biden 'live' just now he said he thinks there is a G7 meeting next week on Tuesday but I am not sure !!!!!!
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
I have not commented much today as we have a family crisis with my eldest son in Vancouver mental health, but I just have to say listening to Biden 'live' just now he said he thinks there is a G7 meeting next week on Tuesday but I am not sure !!!!!!
It is just so embarrassing but also dangerous
It is clear Macron and Boris will have to lead on this Kabul evacuation, Biden is absent effectively and the US President is no longer capable of being leader of the free world
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
Would it have been something to do with Indyref? Still, as long as unionists think that Scots think the 69.5% Brown figure hasn’t changed, I’ll be happy. Please don’t disabuse them!
You’re right. Sometimes I should just shut my gob and let them continue their blissful existence in La La Land.
Discussionas underway about extending the current evacuation out of Kabul beyond 31st according to Biden.
It appears the US plan was that they hope the undertanding that they think they have with the Taliban would mean that, even if they called it a day in terms of the military led operation that those eligible would still be allowed out by other means e.g. charters etc would still continue. In effect the Taliban decide 100%.
Seems a stretch somehow.
Does Biden truly believe that there are no foreign jihadis in Afghanistan, who might have a different agenda to the Taliban leadership that went to Qatar?
Boris Johnson ‘serious’ on delivering tunnel or bridge linking Northern Ireland and Scotland, says former aide
Dominic Cummings described it as “the world’s most stupid tunnel to Ireland”.
However, Mr Johnson’s former communications director Guto Harri believes a ‘Boris Burrow’ or ‘Boris Bridge’ should not be dismissed entirely.
“He wants to maintain the union and he wants to persuade the rest of the world that we're still big players and can build big things - and what would be bigger than a tunnel under the Irish Sea, linking Scotland and Northern Ireland?” he told BBC Radio Ulster’s and Radio Scotland’s Boris’ Tunnel Vision.
How many people do you know that want to spend three hours sitting in a tunnel while customs check your car to ensure you’re not importing illegal sausages?
Discussionas underway about extending the current evacuation out of Kabul beyond 31st according to Biden.
It appears the US plan was that they hope the undertanding that they think they have with the Taliban would mean that, even if they called it a day in terms of the military led operation that those eligible would still be allowed out by other means e.g. charters etc would still continue. In effect the Taliban decide 100%.
Seems a stretch somehow.
Does Biden truly believe that there are no foreign jihadis in Afghanistan, who might have a different agenda to the Taliban leadership that went to Qatar?
Biden's polling (and the Democrats) seems to have stabilised:
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
Discussionas underway about extending the current evacuation out of Kabul beyond 31st according to Biden.
It appears the US plan was that they hope the undertanding that they think they have with the Taliban would mean that, even if they called it a day in terms of the military led operation that those eligible would still be allowed out by other means e.g. charters etc would still continue. In effect the Taliban decide 100%.
Seems a stretch somehow.
Does Biden truly believe that there are no foreign jihadis in Afghanistan, who might have a different agenda to the Taliban leadership that went to Qatar?
Biden's polling (and the Democrats) seems to have stabilised:
It’s not really relevant right now is it. The question is more what they’ll look like if we end up with a cascade of Ken Bigley style videos for the rest of Biden’s presidency due to his ineptitude.
Discussionas underway about extending the current evacuation out of Kabul beyond 31st according to Biden.
It appears the US plan was that they hope the undertanding that they think they have with the Taliban would mean that, even if they called it a day in terms of the military led operation that those eligible would still be allowed out by other means e.g. charters etc would still continue. In effect the Taliban decide 100%.
Seems a stretch somehow.
Does Biden truly believe that there are no foreign jihadis in Afghanistan, who might have a different agenda to the Taliban leadership that went to Qatar?
Biden's polling (and the Democrats) seems to have stabilised:
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
What a load of old overwrought bollocks Baptiste is. Unfortunately my partner is one of these dogged people who feels that they have to finish what they've started when it comes to tv.
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
More importantly, not every person in Sciotland even voted in the referendum. ,I can't understand why so many people on this site worship him when he is repeatedly caught out in such basic and blatant falsehoods.
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school
"MATTHEW SYED In a land with 14 tribes named in its anthem, we were played like a violin Liberal democracy was never going to work in Afghanistan, where ethnic affiliation is paramount" (£)
It has always been the view in much of the West liberal democracy is the best system against the alternatives.
It's easy for societies where that culture has been ingrained after centuries to assume everyone will see it the same way but they don't. Look at China - a much older civilisation but would we consider it democratic or liberal? By our standards, no and China doesn't see it in those terms because that's not what matters to them.
Look at central and eastern Europe after 1918 and parts of Africa and Asia post decolonisation. Attempts to impose western style parliamentary systems on societies with no experience of such systems are doomed to failure.
I have not commented much today as we have a family crisis with my eldest son in Vancouver mental health, but I just have to say listening to Biden 'live' just now he said he thinks there is a G7 meeting next week on Tuesday but I am not sure !!!!!!
It is just so embarrassing but also dangerous
LONDON, Aug 22 (Reuters) - Britain plans to push world leaders to consider new sanctions on the Taliban when the G7 meet on Tuesday to discuss the crisis in Afghanistan, sources told Reuters.
Edit: Very sorry to hear your son's news. I think of late you had said things were getting better after some treatment?
Thank you but last night he broke down completely in a phone call to me when he described in graphic and horrific detail the sights he witnessed in Christchurch in 2011 when he attended ground zero as a volunteer rescuer
He has PTSD and it has been a difficult weekend, not least as we are so far away
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school
But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
What a load of old overwrought bollocks Baptiste is. Unfortunately my partner is one of these dogged people who feels that they have to finish what they've started when it comes to tv.
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
I have not commented much today as we have a family crisis with my eldest son in Vancouver mental health, but I just have to say listening to Biden 'live' just now he said he thinks there is a G7 meeting next week on Tuesday but I am not sure !!!!!!
It is just so embarrassing but also dangerous
LONDON, Aug 22 (Reuters) - Britain plans to push world leaders to consider new sanctions on the Taliban when the G7 meet on Tuesday to discuss the crisis in Afghanistan, sources told Reuters.
Edit: Very sorry to hear your son's news. I think of late you had said things were getting better after some treatment?
Thank you but last night he broke down completely in a phone call to me when he described in graphic and horrific detail the sights he witnessed in Christchurch in 2011 when he attended ground zero as a volunteer rescuer
He has PTSD and it has been a difficult weekend, not least as we are so far away
Sorry to read this. Must be awful not being close to help directly. Hope things improve.
"MATTHEW SYED In a land with 14 tribes named in its anthem, we were played like a violin Liberal democracy was never going to work in Afghanistan, where ethnic affiliation is paramount" (£)
It has always been the view in much of the West liberal democracy is the best system against the alternatives.
It's easy for societies where that culture has been ingrained after centuries to assume everyone will see it the same way but they don't. Look at China - a much older civilisation but would we consider it democratic or liberal? By our standards, no and China doesn't see it in those terms because that's not what matters to them.
Look at central and eastern Europe after 1918 and parts of Africa and Asia post decolonisation. Attempts to impose western style parliamentary systems on societies with no experience of such systems are doomed to failure.
We did not invade to turn it into a western style democracy, or even to remove the Taliban, we mainly invaded to remove Al Qaeda and kill Bin Laden
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school
But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.
Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
Corbyn led Labour to its worst Scottish performance ever at a Westminster election in 2019, by going so far left plenty of moderate Unionist Scots voted Tory or LD in 2019.
The Nationalists of course will keep voting SNP regardless and even Sturgeon is a social democrat ie right of Corbyn, not a socialist like he is
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school
But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.
Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.
That is racism, pure and simple
We need to discuss this over a pint, in Cumbria, in Cyclefree’s daughter’s pub, with assorted PBers as witnesses and jury. Any volunteers for the jury?
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school
But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
What? Are you claiming immigrants to Scotland are not Scottish?
Boris Johnson ‘serious’ on delivering tunnel or bridge linking Northern Ireland and Scotland, says former aide
Dominic Cummings described it as “the world’s most stupid tunnel to Ireland”.
However, Mr Johnson’s former communications director Guto Harri believes a ‘Boris Burrow’ or ‘Boris Bridge’ should not be dismissed entirely.
“He wants to maintain the union and he wants to persuade the rest of the world that we're still big players and can build big things - and what would be bigger than a tunnel under the Irish Sea, linking Scotland and Northern Ireland?” he told BBC Radio Ulster’s and Radio Scotland’s Boris’ Tunnel Vision.
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school
But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.
Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.
That is racism, pure and simple
I was pointing out that the 55% figure is not "55% of Scots" in your [edit] wording but 55% of those who actually voted in the referendum. Which is a smaller figure than those entitled to vote in Scotland. And smaller still than the population of Scotland. And tha is before one includes such as Mr Gove.
"MATTHEW SYED In a land with 14 tribes named in its anthem, we were played like a violin Liberal democracy was never going to work in Afghanistan, where ethnic affiliation is paramount" (£)
It has always been the view in much of the West liberal democracy is the best system against the alternatives.
It's easy for societies where that culture has been ingrained after centuries to assume everyone will see it the same way but they don't. Look at China - a much older civilisation but would we consider it democratic or liberal? By our standards, no and China doesn't see it in those terms because that's not what matters to them.
Look at central and eastern Europe after 1918 and parts of Africa and Asia post decolonisation. Attempts to impose western style parliamentary systems on societies with no experience of such systems are doomed to failure.
We did not invade to turn it into a western style democracy, or even to remove the Taliban, we mainly invaded to remove Al Qaeda and kill Bin Laden
And we did that a decade ago. We should have left then.
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school
But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
What? Are you claiming immigrants to Scotland are not Scottish?
No: just that those who voteds in the referendum is a smaller number than the population of Scotland, voting or otherwise.
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Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
I guess we'll see.
At the end of the day it's important to focus on the next war, not the last war.
https://twitter.com/US_FDA/status/1429050070243192839?s=19
""Biden’s botched exit from Afghanistan is the most astonishing display of gross incompetence by a nation’s leader, perhaps at any time," Trump said at a boisterous rally packed with his supporters near Cullman, Alabama."
I guess Trump likes to use superlatives even for his enemies (I use "enemy" and not "adversary" to keep up the momentum.)
Leicester Mercury claiming it is probable that the Eastern extension of HS2 will not now go ahead.
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/local-news/hs2-birmingham-leeds-extension-through-5817506
Ruby now interviewing a younger Melania
Seems unlikely.
I put forward my point of view, supported with my reasoning, and I've been met by a tirade of abuse from you.
You don't have to agree, and that's okay. Nevertheless, the beauty is that we don't know what's going to happen. We don't know if Trump will run again, if he does, we don't know he will win the primary, and if he does, we don't know if he'll win the election.
There's all manner of events that could happen between then and now and as I've said, I don't think Trump will run, never mind win.
Ultimately I don't really care. America is mental.
in NBC poll Afgh is literally nowhere on the list of concerns: Economy/Jobs (26%), Immig (10), covid (7), corruption +healthcare (5)... not even 1 %?? https://kxan.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/40/2021/08/210188-NBC-News-August-Poll-8-22-21-Release.pdf
https://twitter.com/JRubinBlogger/status/1429459553276542976
Is equally effective.
In a land with 14 tribes named in its anthem, we were played like a violin
Liberal democracy was never going to work in Afghanistan, where ethnic affiliation is paramount" (£)
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/in-a-land-with-14-tribes-named-in-its-anthem-we-were-played-like-a-violin-z9zqz3n0s
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.20.21262158v1
SARS-CoV-2 vaccines are highly effective at preventing COVID-19-related morbidity and mortality. As no vaccine is 100% effective, breakthrough infections are expected to occur. We analyzed the virological characteristics of 161 vaccine breakthrough infections in a population of 24,706 vaccinated healthcare workers (HCWs), using RT-PCR and virus culture. The delta variant (B.1.617.2) was identified in the majority of cases. Despite similar Ct-values, we demonstrate lower probability of infectious virus detection in respiratory samples of vaccinated HCWs with breakthrough infections compared to unvaccinated HCWs with primary SARS-CoV-2 infections. Nevertheless, infectious virus was found in 68.6% of breakthrough infections and Ct-values decreased throughout the first 3 days of illness. We conclude that rare vaccine breakthrough infections occur, but infectious virus shedding is reduced in these cases.
is not.
Of course, Trump will run.
He is a monster, straight out of the Brothers Grimm. That is what monsters do.
He is like an animal that will roll on its back and pretend to be dead, and then he will rise up and rip your fucking throat out.
Only way Trump is not going to run is if a stake is driven through his shrivelled heart.
And even then, I'd want the corpse burnt, and the ashes put in a trash can, and the trash can towed out to the remotest sea so there is no danger of any of the ash ending up onshore.
And even then, I would not be sure, not really sure ...
Of course, Trump will run.
Corbyn did better in England than in Scotland in both 2017 and 2019.
Scots it seems hated Corbyn the most of all the home nations in GB
Confirmation - if it were needed - that the Greens are idiots.
The second coming would make the first Trump term look sane though.
A real mask-slipping in this piece.
https://timesofmalta.com/articles/view/restaurants-are-closed-some-days-a-week-due-to-a-lack-of-staff.894877
Not a lot of sympathy in the comments section.
Dominic Cummings described it as “the world’s most stupid tunnel to Ireland”.
However, Mr Johnson’s former communications director Guto Harri believes a ‘Boris Burrow’ or ‘Boris Bridge’ should not be dismissed entirely.
“He wants to maintain the union and he wants to persuade the rest of the world that we're still big players and can build big things - and what would be bigger than a tunnel under the Irish Sea, linking Scotland and Northern Ireland?” he told BBC Radio Ulster’s and Radio Scotland’s Boris’ Tunnel Vision.
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/boris-johnson-serious-on-delivering-tunnel-or-bridgelinking-northern-ireland-and-scotland-says-former-aide-40776906.html
As @Gallowgate said, America is *mental*
Now that we have Trumpers booing Trump for telling them to get the jab, we're all the way through the looking glass and into unstoppable madness.
I have no idea why some on here think he wont run and win the nomination (unless he is dead or in jail). i doubt anyone else will even stand.
It is just so embarrassing but also dangerous
https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1429544663619457024?s=20
Edit: Very sorry to hear your son's news. I think of late you had said things were getting better after some treatment?
The Nationalists of course will keep voting SNP regardless and even Sturgeon is a social democrat ie right of Corbyn, not a socialist like he is
It appears the US plan was that they hope the undertanding that they think they have with the Taliban would mean that, even if they called it a day in terms of the military led operation that those eligible would still be allowed out by other means e.g. charters etc would still continue. In effect the Taliban decide 100%.
Seems a stretch somehow.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/
Chickweed and groundsel and willow herb don't cause pavements to buckle and people to fall over.
The roots of big trees, yes. But, grass and ragwort, no.
The Daily Mail has gone mental with pictures of "huge weeds" taking over Brighton, so there is barely any room for the human population.
https://tinyurl.com/w8sxeve3
Unfortunately my partner is one of these dogged people who feels that they have to finish what they've started when it comes to tv.
It's easy for societies where that culture has been ingrained after centuries to assume everyone will see it the same way but they don't. Look at China - a much older civilisation but would we consider it democratic or liberal? By our standards, no and China doesn't see it in those terms because that's not what matters to them.
Look at central and eastern Europe after 1918 and parts of Africa and Asia post decolonisation. Attempts to impose western style parliamentary systems on societies with no experience of such systems are doomed to failure.
He has PTSD and it has been a difficult weekend, not least as we are so far away
Neither you nor I know what that will be.
Herbicides are losing the war — and agriculture might never be the same again.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/18/magazine/superweeds-monsanto.html
Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.
That is racism, pure and simple
https://twitter.com/gavmacn/status/1429549894604410902?s=20
I demand an apology from you.