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    YokesYokes Posts: 1,203
    moonshine said:

    Yokes said:

    Discussionas underway about extending the current evacuation out of Kabul beyond 31st according to Biden.

    It appears the US plan was that they hope the undertanding that they think they have with the Taliban would mean that, even if they called it a day in terms of the military led operation that those eligible would still be allowed out by other means e.g. charters etc would still continue. In effect the Taliban decide 100%.

    Seems a stretch somehow.

    Does Biden truly believe that there are no foreign jihadis in Afghanistan, who might have a different agenda to the Taliban leadership that went to Qatar?
    All those blokes freed from the prisons, for example or bearing in mind its known that some of the Taliban in Kabul for example are not Afghans. We can safely turn a blind eye to all that, because its convenient, until it isnt.
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    FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,026
    Aslan said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    valleyboy said:

    FFS Drakeford is closer to Starmer than Corbyn

    Not sure if I agree with you on that.
    And I second that :)

    Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
    Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
    It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
    Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.

    Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
    What happened under Miliband in 2015?
    Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
    Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
    GE    Scots seats %seats Boss

    1970 44/71 61.9% Wilson
    1974F 40/71 56.3% Wilson
    1974O 41/71 57.7% Wilson
    1979 44/71 61.9% Callaghan
    1983 41/72 56.9% Foot
    1987 50/72 69.4% Kinnock
    1992 49/72 68.1% Kinnock
    1997 56/72 77.8% Blair
    2001 56/72 77.8% Blair

    2005 41/59 69.5% Blair
    2010 41/59 69.5% Brown
    2015 1/59 1.6% Miliband
    2017 7/59 11.9% Corbyn
    2019 1/59 1.6% Corbyn
    And what happened in 2014?
    55% of Scots voted to stay in the UK
    Another HYFUD lie. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-figures-revealed-majority-5408163
    So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school

    But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
    What? Are you claiming immigrants to Scotland are not Scottish?
    Don’t you claim that immigrants to England are not English?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,456
    Nigelb said:

    Boris Johnson ‘serious’ on delivering tunnel or bridge linking Northern Ireland and Scotland, says former aide

    Dominic Cummings described it as “the world’s most stupid tunnel to Ireland”.

    However, Mr Johnson’s former communications director Guto Harri believes a ‘Boris Burrow’ or ‘Boris Bridge’ should not be dismissed entirely.

    “He wants to maintain the union and he wants to persuade the rest of the world that we're still big players and can build big things - and what would be bigger than a tunnel under the Irish Sea, linking Scotland and Northern Ireland?” he told BBC Radio Ulster’s and Radio Scotland’s Boris’ Tunnel Vision.

    https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/boris-johnson-serious-on-delivering-tunnel-or-bridgelinking-northern-ireland-and-scotland-says-former-aide-40776906.html

    Puddled.
    In other reports we have had heard that HS2 East connection thru to Leeds is to be scrapped to save money and yet Johnson is pressing on with a tunnel to N Ireland?

    Bonkers on slits.
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    StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    Nigelb said:

    Boris Johnson ‘serious’ on delivering tunnel or bridge linking Northern Ireland and Scotland, says former aide

    Dominic Cummings described it as “the world’s most stupid tunnel to Ireland”.

    However, Mr Johnson’s former communications director Guto Harri believes a ‘Boris Burrow’ or ‘Boris Bridge’ should not be dismissed entirely.

    “He wants to maintain the union and he wants to persuade the rest of the world that we're still big players and can build big things - and what would be bigger than a tunnel under the Irish Sea, linking Scotland and Northern Ireland?” he told BBC Radio Ulster’s and Radio Scotland’s Boris’ Tunnel Vision.

    https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/boris-johnson-serious-on-delivering-tunnel-or-bridgelinking-northern-ireland-and-scotland-says-former-aide-40776906.html

    Puddled.
    In other reports we have had heard that HS2 East connection thru to Leeds is to be scrapped to save money and yet Johnson is pressing on with a tunnel to N Ireland?

    Bonkers on slits.
    I’ll believe it when I see it in the Budget, with the corresponding tax rises to pay for it.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,187

    Aslan said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    valleyboy said:

    FFS Drakeford is closer to Starmer than Corbyn

    Not sure if I agree with you on that.
    And I second that :)

    Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
    Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
    It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
    Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.

    Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
    What happened under Miliband in 2015?
    Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
    Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
    GE    Scots seats %seats Boss

    1970 44/71 61.9% Wilson
    1974F 40/71 56.3% Wilson
    1974O 41/71 57.7% Wilson
    1979 44/71 61.9% Callaghan
    1983 41/72 56.9% Foot
    1987 50/72 69.4% Kinnock
    1992 49/72 68.1% Kinnock
    1997 56/72 77.8% Blair
    2001 56/72 77.8% Blair

    2005 41/59 69.5% Blair
    2010 41/59 69.5% Brown
    2015 1/59 1.6% Miliband
    2017 7/59 11.9% Corbyn
    2019 1/59 1.6% Corbyn
    And what happened in 2014?
    55% of Scots voted to stay in the UK
    Another HYFUD lie. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-figures-revealed-majority-5408163
    So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school

    But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
    What? Are you claiming immigrants to Scotland are not Scottish?
    Don’t you claim that immigrants to England are not English?
    No as that would be racism no better than the BNP if they live in England and work in England, pay taxes in England and have obtained British citizenship
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,013
    Carnyx said:


    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    valleyboy said:

    FFS Drakeford is closer to Starmer than Corbyn

    Not sure if I agree with you on that.
    And I second that :)

    Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
    Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
    It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
    Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.

    Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
    What happened under Miliband in 2015?
    Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
    Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
    GE    Scots seats %seats Boss

    1970 44/71 61.9% Wilson
    1974F 40/71 56.3% Wilson
    1974O 41/71 57.7% Wilson
    1979 44/71 61.9% Callaghan
    1983 41/72 56.9% Foot
    1987 50/72 69.4% Kinnock
    1992 49/72 68.1% Kinnock
    1997 56/72 77.8% Blair
    2001 56/72 77.8% Blair

    2005 41/59 69.5% Blair
    2010 41/59 69.5% Brown
    2015 1/59 1.6% Miliband
    2017 7/59 11.9% Corbyn
    2019 1/59 1.6% Corbyn
    And what happened in 2014?
    55% of Scots voted to stay in the UK
    Another HYFUD lie. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-figures-revealed-majority-5408163
    So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school

    But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
    So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.

    Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.

    That is racism, pure and simple
    I was pointing out that the 55% figure is not "55% of Scots" in your [edit] wording but 55% of those who actually voted in the referendum. Which is a smaller figure than those entitled to vote in Scotland. And smaller still than the population of Scotland. And tha is before one includes such as Mr Gove.

    I demand an apology from you.
    But you posted a link that broke down the voting figures by nationality? There was no mention of turnout at all.
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    Alistair said:

    I'd like to know why people think I was predicting 100,000 cases a day?

    Multiple people have said that now and they are either entirely misguided or bare faced liars.

    You actually predicted 150k per day:

    You got there first, and I was only going to go with 150k

    July 18th

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/3488469#Comment_3488469
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,997
    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:


    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    valleyboy said:

    FFS Drakeford is closer to Starmer than Corbyn

    Not sure if I agree with you on that.
    And I second that :)

    Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
    Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
    It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
    Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.

    Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
    What happened under Miliband in 2015?
    Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
    Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
    GE    Scots seats %seats Boss

    1970 44/71 61.9% Wilson
    1974F 40/71 56.3% Wilson
    1974O 41/71 57.7% Wilson
    1979 44/71 61.9% Callaghan
    1983 41/72 56.9% Foot
    1987 50/72 69.4% Kinnock
    1992 49/72 68.1% Kinnock
    1997 56/72 77.8% Blair
    2001 56/72 77.8% Blair

    2005 41/59 69.5% Blair
    2010 41/59 69.5% Brown
    2015 1/59 1.6% Miliband
    2017 7/59 11.9% Corbyn
    2019 1/59 1.6% Corbyn
    And what happened in 2014?
    55% of Scots voted to stay in the UK
    Another HYFUD lie. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-figures-revealed-majority-5408163
    So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school

    But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
    So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.

    Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.

    That is racism, pure and simple
    I was pointing out that the 55% figure is not "55% of Scots" in your [edit] wording but 55% of those who actually voted in the referendum. Which is a smaller figure than those entitled to vote in Scotland. And smaller still than the population of Scotland. And tha is before one includes such as Mr Gove.

    I demand an apology from you.
    But you posted a link that broke down the voting figures by nationality? There was no mention of turnout at all.
    Me? No, I most certainly did not.
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    pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,134

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    valleyboy said:

    FFS Drakeford is closer to Starmer than Corbyn

    Not sure if I agree with you on that.
    And I second that :)

    Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
    Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
    It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
    Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.

    Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
    What happened under Miliband in 2015?
    Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
    Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
    Corbyn led Labour to its worst Scottish performance ever at a Westminster election in 2019, by going so far left plenty of moderate Unionist Scots voted Tory or LD in 2019.

    The Nationalists of course will keep voting SNP regardless and even Sturgeon is a social democrat ie right of Corbyn, not a socialist like he is
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    valleyboy said:

    FFS Drakeford is closer to Starmer than Corbyn

    Not sure if I agree with you on that.
    And I second that :)

    Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
    Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
    It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
    Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.

    Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
    What happened under Miliband in 2015?
    Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
    Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
    GE    Scots seats %seats Boss

    1970 44/71 61.9% Wilson
    1974F 40/71 56.3% Wilson
    1974O 41/71 57.7% Wilson
    1979 44/71 61.9% Callaghan
    1983 41/72 56.9% Foot
    1987 50/72 69.4% Kinnock
    1992 49/72 68.1% Kinnock
    1997 56/72 77.8% Blair
    2001 56/72 77.8% Blair

    2005 41/59 69.5% Blair
    2010 41/59 69.5% Brown
    2015 1/59 1.6% Miliband
    2017 7/59 11.9% Corbyn
    2019 1/59 1.6% Corbyn
    And what happened in 2014?
    55% of Scots voted to stay in the UK
    Another HYFUD lie. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-figures-revealed-majority-5408163
    So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school

    But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
    So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.

    Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.

    That is racism, pure and simple
    We need to discuss this over a pint, in Cumbria, in Cyclefree’s daughter’s pub, with assorted PBers as witnesses and jury. Any volunteers for the jury?
    Dunno. Do the jurors get issued with full riot gear, and how much danger money are they going to be paid?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,013
    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:


    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    valleyboy said:

    FFS Drakeford is closer to Starmer than Corbyn

    Not sure if I agree with you on that.
    And I second that :)

    Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
    Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
    It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
    Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.

    Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
    What happened under Miliband in 2015?
    Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
    Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
    GE    Scots seats %seats Boss

    1970 44/71 61.9% Wilson
    1974F 40/71 56.3% Wilson
    1974O 41/71 57.7% Wilson
    1979 44/71 61.9% Callaghan
    1983 41/72 56.9% Foot
    1987 50/72 69.4% Kinnock
    1992 49/72 68.1% Kinnock
    1997 56/72 77.8% Blair
    2001 56/72 77.8% Blair

    2005 41/59 69.5% Blair
    2010 41/59 69.5% Brown
    2015 1/59 1.6% Miliband
    2017 7/59 11.9% Corbyn
    2019 1/59 1.6% Corbyn
    And what happened in 2014?
    55% of Scots voted to stay in the UK
    Another HYFUD lie. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-figures-revealed-majority-5408163
    So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school

    But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
    So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.

    Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.

    That is racism, pure and simple
    I was pointing out that the 55% figure is not "55% of Scots" in your [edit] wording but 55% of those who actually voted in the referendum. Which is a smaller figure than those entitled to vote in Scotland. And smaller still than the population of Scotland. And tha is before one includes such as Mr Gove.

    I demand an apology from you.
    But you posted a link that broke down the voting figures by nationality? There was no mention of turnout at all.
    Me? No, I most certainly did not.
    Ah, I withdraw that. I got confused with the nested comments. The link was one reply previous.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,997
    HYUFD said:

    Aslan said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    valleyboy said:

    FFS Drakeford is closer to Starmer than Corbyn

    Not sure if I agree with you on that.
    And I second that :)

    Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
    Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
    It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
    Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.

    Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
    What happened under Miliband in 2015?
    Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
    Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
    GE    Scots seats %seats Boss

    1970 44/71 61.9% Wilson
    1974F 40/71 56.3% Wilson
    1974O 41/71 57.7% Wilson
    1979 44/71 61.9% Callaghan
    1983 41/72 56.9% Foot
    1987 50/72 69.4% Kinnock
    1992 49/72 68.1% Kinnock
    1997 56/72 77.8% Blair
    2001 56/72 77.8% Blair

    2005 41/59 69.5% Blair
    2010 41/59 69.5% Brown
    2015 1/59 1.6% Miliband
    2017 7/59 11.9% Corbyn
    2019 1/59 1.6% Corbyn
    And what happened in 2014?
    55% of Scots voted to stay in the UK
    Another HYFUD lie. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-figures-revealed-majority-5408163
    So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school

    But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
    What? Are you claiming immigrants to Scotland are not Scottish?
    Don’t you claim that immigrants to England are not English?
    No as that would be racism no better than the BNP if they live in England and work in England, pay taxes in England and have obtained British citizenship
    Come on!

    If you don't like the thought of racism then you can damn well apologise to me for accusing me of it.
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    StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Taz said:

    I just tried to watch GB News. Oh dear. Oh dearie dearie me. Oh dearie dearie dearie dearie dearie dearie me.

    I have just switched in. Today’s hot topic. ‘Employ a Prisoner’. Dear me, and the picture quality is like a third rate YouTube upload. Back to Columbo for me.
    It was the picture quality that hit me in the face. Our youngest makes better TikTok videos. Much better.

    The second thing that struck me was the imbecilic presenters. Two young Geordie women who clearly hadn’t had any training whatsoever.

    Then their 15 seconds of fame was over. I’ll try again next year.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited August 2021

    Alistair said:

    I'd like to know why people think I was predicting 100,000 cases a day?

    Multiple people have said that now and they are either entirely misguided or bare faced liars.

    You actually predicted 150k per day:

    You got there first, and I was only going to go with 150k

    July 18th

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/3488469#Comment_3488469
    Absolute scenes.


    I'll put a <humour> tag on future posts all right?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,456
    edited August 2021

    Taz said:

    I just tried to watch GB News. Oh dear. Oh dearie dearie me. Oh dearie dearie dearie dearie dearie dearie me.

    I have just switched in. Today’s hot topic. ‘Employ a Prisoner’. Dear me, and the picture quality is like a third rate YouTube upload. Back to Columbo for me.
    It was the picture quality that hit me in the face. Our youngest makes better TikTok videos. Much better.

    The second thing that struck me was the imbecilic presenters. Two young Geordie women who clearly hadn’t had any training whatsoever.

    Then their 15 seconds of fame was over. I’ll try again next year.
    Tray and San are on GB News?
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    MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    An absolute non sequitur to the conversations on here but on the Amalfi Coast and it is absolutely scorching down here, the sea is sublime and the food is fantastic.
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    StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    HYUFD said:

    Aslan said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    valleyboy said:

    FFS Drakeford is closer to Starmer than Corbyn

    Not sure if I agree with you on that.
    And I second that :)

    Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
    Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
    It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
    Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.

    Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
    What happened under Miliband in 2015?
    Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
    Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
    GE    Scots seats %seats Boss

    1970 44/71 61.9% Wilson
    1974F 40/71 56.3% Wilson
    1974O 41/71 57.7% Wilson
    1979 44/71 61.9% Callaghan
    1983 41/72 56.9% Foot
    1987 50/72 69.4% Kinnock
    1992 49/72 68.1% Kinnock
    1997 56/72 77.8% Blair
    2001 56/72 77.8% Blair

    2005 41/59 69.5% Blair
    2010 41/59 69.5% Brown
    2015 1/59 1.6% Miliband
    2017 7/59 11.9% Corbyn
    2019 1/59 1.6% Corbyn
    And what happened in 2014?
    55% of Scots voted to stay in the UK
    Another HYFUD lie. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-figures-revealed-majority-5408163
    So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school

    But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
    What? Are you claiming immigrants to Scotland are not Scottish?
    Don’t you claim that immigrants to England are not English?
    No as that would be racism no better than the BNP if they live in England and work in England, pay taxes in England and have obtained British citizenship
    Then who are these “Scots” living in England, referred to by Conservative Cabinet ministers?

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/let-scots-in-whole-of-uk-vote-on-independence-boris-johnson-is-urged-8d09pdxcl

    If everyone living in England is English, there cannot be any Irish, French, American, Chinese, Indian, Spanish or Scottish people there.
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    FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,026
    edited August 2021
    pigeon said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    valleyboy said:

    FFS Drakeford is closer to Starmer than Corbyn

    Not sure if I agree with you on that.
    And I second that :)

    Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
    Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
    It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
    Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.

    Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
    What happened under Miliband in 2015?
    Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
    Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
    Corbyn led Labour to its worst Scottish performance ever at a Westminster election in 2019, by going so far left plenty of moderate Unionist Scots voted Tory or LD in 2019.

    The Nationalists of course will keep voting SNP regardless and even Sturgeon is a social democrat ie right of Corbyn, not a socialist like he is
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    valleyboy said:

    FFS Drakeford is closer to Starmer than Corbyn

    Not sure if I agree with you on that.
    And I second that :)

    Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
    Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
    It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
    Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.

    Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
    What happened under Miliband in 2015?
    Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
    Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
    GE    Scots seats %seats Boss

    1970 44/71 61.9% Wilson
    1974F 40/71 56.3% Wilson
    1974O 41/71 57.7% Wilson
    1979 44/71 61.9% Callaghan
    1983 41/72 56.9% Foot
    1987 50/72 69.4% Kinnock
    1992 49/72 68.1% Kinnock
    1997 56/72 77.8% Blair
    2001 56/72 77.8% Blair

    2005 41/59 69.5% Blair
    2010 41/59 69.5% Brown
    2015 1/59 1.6% Miliband
    2017 7/59 11.9% Corbyn
    2019 1/59 1.6% Corbyn
    And what happened in 2014?
    55% of Scots voted to stay in the UK
    Another HYFUD lie. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-figures-revealed-majority-5408163
    So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school

    But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
    So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.

    Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.

    That is racism, pure and simple
    We need to discuss this over a pint, in Cumbria, in Cyclefree’s daughter’s pub, with assorted PBers as witnesses and jury. Any volunteers for the jury?
    Dunno. Do the jurors get issued with full riot gear, and how much danger money are they going to be paid?
    The jurors only get issued with riot gear if they promise to buy a round. Alternatively, you can be assured that HYFUD and I will be conducting a civilised conversation over a pint. Hope that’s ok with you, HYFUD?
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    StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    edited August 2021

    Taz said:

    I just tried to watch GB News. Oh dear. Oh dearie dearie me. Oh dearie dearie dearie dearie dearie dearie me.

    I have just switched in. Today’s hot topic. ‘Employ a Prisoner’. Dear me, and the picture quality is like a third rate YouTube upload. Back to Columbo for me.
    It was the picture quality that hit me in the face. Our youngest makes better TikTok videos. Much better.

    The second thing that struck me was the imbecilic presenters. Two young Geordie women who clearly hadn’t had any training whatsoever.

    Then their 15 seconds of fame was over. I’ll try again next year.
    Tray and San are on GB News?
    I always thought the delightful Tracey and Sandra were more Middlesbrough (?)

    Further south than Newcastle anyway. They don’t speak Geordie.

    EDIT: Wikipedia says Nottingham.
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    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    I'd like to know why people think I was predicting 100,000 cases a day?

    Multiple people have said that now and they are either entirely misguided or bare faced liars.

    You actually predicted 150k per day:

    You got there first, and I was only going to go with 150k

    July 18th

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/3488469#Comment_3488469
    Absolute scenes.


    I'll put a <humour> tag on future posts all right?
    Perhaps you'd like to apologise to the people you called 'bare faced liars'.
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    Hey @MrEd!
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited August 2021
    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    I'd like to know why people think I was predicting 100,000 cases a day?

    Multiple people have said that now and they are either entirely misguided or bare faced liars.

    You actually predicted 150k per day:

    You got there first, and I was only going to go with 150k

    July 18th

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/3488469#Comment_3488469
    Absolute scenes.


    I'll put a <humour> tag on future posts all right?
    Oh but Alistair, how do we know you were joking blah blah fucking blah.

    Because two days earlier i had entered my official prediction in the PB peak day competition

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/3485830/#Comment_3485830

    Scotland peak reported day cases was 6 days after schools broke up.

    It was 20% higher than the 7 day average, shows how tricky this is.

    So I'll go with either 62k on the 22nd July
    Or
    65k on the 29th.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,997

    HYUFD said:

    Aslan said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    valleyboy said:

    FFS Drakeford is closer to Starmer than Corbyn

    Not sure if I agree with you on that.
    And I second that :)

    Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
    Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
    It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
    Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.

    Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
    What happened under Miliband in 2015?
    Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
    Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
    GE    Scots seats %seats Boss

    1970 44/71 61.9% Wilson
    1974F 40/71 56.3% Wilson
    1974O 41/71 57.7% Wilson
    1979 44/71 61.9% Callaghan
    1983 41/72 56.9% Foot
    1987 50/72 69.4% Kinnock
    1992 49/72 68.1% Kinnock
    1997 56/72 77.8% Blair
    2001 56/72 77.8% Blair

    2005 41/59 69.5% Blair
    2010 41/59 69.5% Brown
    2015 1/59 1.6% Miliband
    2017 7/59 11.9% Corbyn
    2019 1/59 1.6% Corbyn
    And what happened in 2014?
    55% of Scots voted to stay in the UK
    Another HYFUD lie. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-figures-revealed-majority-5408163
    So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school

    But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
    What? Are you claiming immigrants to Scotland are not Scottish?
    Don’t you claim that immigrants to England are not English?
    No as that would be racism no better than the BNP if they live in England and work in England, pay taxes in England and have obtained British citizenship
    Then who are these “Scots” living in England, referred to by Conservative Cabinet ministers?

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/let-scots-in-whole-of-uk-vote-on-independence-boris-johnson-is-urged-8d09pdxcl

    If everyone living in England is English, there cannot be any Irish, French, American, Chinese, Indian, Spanish or Scottish people there.
    Quite. It's interesting that HYUFD denies Mr Gove any right to be Scottish in any sense. Because in his interpretation only those who actually voted in indyref1 are 'Scots'. Mr Gove would be terribly upset. As would Stuart D.
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    Carnyx said:


    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    valleyboy said:

    FFS Drakeford is closer to Starmer than Corbyn

    Not sure if I agree with you on that.
    And I second that :)

    Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
    Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
    It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
    Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.

    Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
    What happened under Miliband in 2015?
    Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
    Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
    GE    Scots seats %seats Boss

    1970 44/71 61.9% Wilson
    1974F 40/71 56.3% Wilson
    1974O 41/71 57.7% Wilson
    1979 44/71 61.9% Callaghan
    1983 41/72 56.9% Foot
    1987 50/72 69.4% Kinnock
    1992 49/72 68.1% Kinnock
    1997 56/72 77.8% Blair
    2001 56/72 77.8% Blair

    2005 41/59 69.5% Blair
    2010 41/59 69.5% Brown
    2015 1/59 1.6% Miliband
    2017 7/59 11.9% Corbyn
    2019 1/59 1.6% Corbyn
    And what happened in 2014?
    55% of Scots voted to stay in the UK
    Another HYFUD lie. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-figures-revealed-majority-5408163
    So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school

    But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
    So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.

    Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.

    That is racism, pure and simple
    I was pointing out that the 55% figure is not "55% of Scots" in your [edit] wording but 55% of those who actually voted in the referendum. Which is a smaller figure than those entitled to vote in Scotland. And smaller still than the population of Scotland. And tha is before one includes such as Mr Gove.

    I demand an apology from you.
    No 55%
    Yes 45%
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,187
    edited August 2021

    HYUFD said:

    Aslan said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    valleyboy said:

    FFS Drakeford is closer to Starmer than Corbyn

    Not sure if I agree with you on that.
    And I second that :)

    Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
    Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
    It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
    Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.

    Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
    What happened under Miliband in 2015?
    Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
    Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
    GE    Scots seats %seats Boss

    1970 44/71 61.9% Wilson
    1974F 40/71 56.3% Wilson
    1974O 41/71 57.7% Wilson
    1979 44/71 61.9% Callaghan
    1983 41/72 56.9% Foot
    1987 50/72 69.4% Kinnock
    1992 49/72 68.1% Kinnock
    1997 56/72 77.8% Blair
    2001 56/72 77.8% Blair

    2005 41/59 69.5% Blair
    2010 41/59 69.5% Brown
    2015 1/59 1.6% Miliband
    2017 7/59 11.9% Corbyn
    2019 1/59 1.6% Corbyn
    And what happened in 2014?
    55% of Scots voted to stay in the UK
    Another HYFUD lie. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-figures-revealed-majority-5408163
    So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school

    But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
    What? Are you claiming immigrants to Scotland are not Scottish?
    Don’t you claim that immigrants to England are not English?
    No as that would be racism no better than the BNP if they live in England and work in England, pay taxes in England and have obtained British citizenship
    Then who are these “Scots” living in England, referred to by Conservative Cabinet ministers?

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/let-scots-in-whole-of-uk-vote-on-independence-boris-johnson-is-urged-8d09pdxcl

    If everyone living in England is English, there cannot be any Irish, French, American, Chinese, Indian, Spanish or Scottish people there.
    British citizens living abroad can still vote in UK elections and referendums for 15 years after they left the UK, it is no different. However someone born in England who has lived abroad for 16 years would effectively no longer be English other than by birth and certainly less so than someone who lived and worked in England and obtained UK citizenship but was born elsewhere. The same would apply in Scotland.

    Irish, French, Chinese and Indian born people who live and work in England and who pay taxes in England and who have obtained UK citizenship would then have become English too
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    I'd like to know why people think I was predicting 100,000 cases a day?

    Multiple people have said that now and they are either entirely misguided or bare faced liars.

    You actually predicted 150k per day:

    You got there first, and I was only going to go with 150k

    July 18th

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/3488469#Comment_3488469
    Absolute scenes.


    I'll put a <humour> tag on future posts all right?
    Perhaps you'd like to apologise to the people you called 'bare faced liars'.
    I'm sorry you don't understand how jokes work.
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    AslanAslan Posts: 1,673
    Carnyx said:


    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    valleyboy said:

    FFS Drakeford is closer to Starmer than Corbyn

    Not sure if I agree with you on that.
    And I second that :)

    Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
    Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
    It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
    Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.

    Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
    What happened under Miliband in 2015?
    Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
    Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
    GE    Scots seats %seats Boss

    1970 44/71 61.9% Wilson
    1974F 40/71 56.3% Wilson
    1974O 41/71 57.7% Wilson
    1979 44/71 61.9% Callaghan
    1983 41/72 56.9% Foot
    1987 50/72 69.4% Kinnock
    1992 49/72 68.1% Kinnock
    1997 56/72 77.8% Blair
    2001 56/72 77.8% Blair

    2005 41/59 69.5% Blair
    2010 41/59 69.5% Brown
    2015 1/59 1.6% Miliband
    2017 7/59 11.9% Corbyn
    2019 1/59 1.6% Corbyn
    And what happened in 2014?
    55% of Scots voted to stay in the UK
    Another HYFUD lie. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-figures-revealed-majority-5408163
    So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school

    But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
    So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.

    Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.

    That is racism, pure and simple
    I was pointing out that the 55% figure is not "55% of Scots" in your [edit] wording but 55% of those who actually voted in the referendum. Which is a smaller figure than those entitled to vote in Scotland. And smaller still than the population of Scotland. And tha is before one includes such as Mr Gove.

    I demand an apology from you.
    That's laughable. When people refer to which way someone voted it implicitly means those who bothered to express an opinion.
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    FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,026

    Carnyx said:


    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    valleyboy said:

    FFS Drakeford is closer to Starmer than Corbyn

    Not sure if I agree with you on that.
    And I second that :)

    Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
    Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
    It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
    Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.

    Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
    What happened under Miliband in 2015?
    Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
    Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
    GE    Scots seats %seats Boss

    1970 44/71 61.9% Wilson
    1974F 40/71 56.3% Wilson
    1974O 41/71 57.7% Wilson
    1979 44/71 61.9% Callaghan
    1983 41/72 56.9% Foot
    1987 50/72 69.4% Kinnock
    1992 49/72 68.1% Kinnock
    1997 56/72 77.8% Blair
    2001 56/72 77.8% Blair

    2005 41/59 69.5% Blair
    2010 41/59 69.5% Brown
    2015 1/59 1.6% Miliband
    2017 7/59 11.9% Corbyn
    2019 1/59 1.6% Corbyn
    And what happened in 2014?
    55% of Scots voted to stay in the UK
    Another HYFUD lie. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-figures-revealed-majority-5408163
    So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school

    But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
    So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.

    Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.

    That is racism, pure and simple
    I was pointing out that the 55% figure is not "55% of Scots" in your [edit] wording but 55% of those who actually voted in the referendum. Which is a smaller figure than those entitled to vote in Scotland. And smaller still than the population of Scotland. And tha is before one includes such as Mr Gove.

    I demand an apology from you.
    No 55%
    Yes 45%
    55% of voters. Not 55% of Scots. And what was Brexit, if not blood and soil nationalism?
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    https://twitter.com/ashas_uk/status/1429387345195900933

    I don’t think that’s the real Tom Cruise?
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    StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Aslan said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    valleyboy said:

    FFS Drakeford is closer to Starmer than Corbyn

    Not sure if I agree with you on that.
    And I second that :)

    Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
    Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
    It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
    Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.

    Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
    What happened under Miliband in 2015?
    Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
    Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
    GE    Scots seats %seats Boss

    1970 44/71 61.9% Wilson
    1974F 40/71 56.3% Wilson
    1974O 41/71 57.7% Wilson
    1979 44/71 61.9% Callaghan
    1983 41/72 56.9% Foot
    1987 50/72 69.4% Kinnock
    1992 49/72 68.1% Kinnock
    1997 56/72 77.8% Blair
    2001 56/72 77.8% Blair

    2005 41/59 69.5% Blair
    2010 41/59 69.5% Brown
    2015 1/59 1.6% Miliband
    2017 7/59 11.9% Corbyn
    2019 1/59 1.6% Corbyn
    And what happened in 2014?
    55% of Scots voted to stay in the UK
    Another HYFUD lie. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-figures-revealed-majority-5408163
    So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school

    But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
    What? Are you claiming immigrants to Scotland are not Scottish?
    Don’t you claim that immigrants to England are not English?
    No as that would be racism no better than the BNP if they live in England and work in England, pay taxes in England and have obtained British citizenship
    Then who are these “Scots” living in England, referred to by Conservative Cabinet ministers?

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/let-scots-in-whole-of-uk-vote-on-independence-boris-johnson-is-urged-8d09pdxcl

    If everyone living in England is English, there cannot be any Irish, French, American, Chinese, Indian, Spanish or Scottish people there.
    Quite. It's interesting that HYUFD denies Mr Gove any right to be Scottish in any sense. Because in his interpretation only those who actually voted in indyref1 are 'Scots'. Mr Gove would be terribly upset. As would Stuart D.
    I didn’t get a vote in IndyRef1 as the register used was the Scottish Parliament one. I did however get a vote in the Brexit referendum, as the register used was the Westminster one.

    I’d have voted Yes. (Naw ken!)
    I (think I) voted Remain. My sister got my proxy vote and she’s a rampant remainer, so I’m fairly sure that’s how it went.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,187

    https://twitter.com/ashas_uk/status/1429387345195900933

    I don’t think that’s the real Tom Cruise?

    It is, he has a house in the UK and was filming in Birmingham.

    Just him without the Botox and makeup looking more his 59 years
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    StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Aslan said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    valleyboy said:

    FFS Drakeford is closer to Starmer than Corbyn

    Not sure if I agree with you on that.
    And I second that :)

    Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
    Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
    It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
    Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.

    Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
    What happened under Miliband in 2015?
    Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
    Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
    GE    Scots seats %seats Boss

    1970 44/71 61.9% Wilson
    1974F 40/71 56.3% Wilson
    1974O 41/71 57.7% Wilson
    1979 44/71 61.9% Callaghan
    1983 41/72 56.9% Foot
    1987 50/72 69.4% Kinnock
    1992 49/72 68.1% Kinnock
    1997 56/72 77.8% Blair
    2001 56/72 77.8% Blair

    2005 41/59 69.5% Blair
    2010 41/59 69.5% Brown
    2015 1/59 1.6% Miliband
    2017 7/59 11.9% Corbyn
    2019 1/59 1.6% Corbyn
    And what happened in 2014?
    55% of Scots voted to stay in the UK
    Another HYFUD lie. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-figures-revealed-majority-5408163
    So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school

    But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
    What? Are you claiming immigrants to Scotland are not Scottish?
    Don’t you claim that immigrants to England are not English?
    No as that would be racism no better than the BNP if they live in England and work in England, pay taxes in England and have obtained British citizenship
    Then who are these “Scots” living in England, referred to by Conservative Cabinet ministers?

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/let-scots-in-whole-of-uk-vote-on-independence-boris-johnson-is-urged-8d09pdxcl

    If everyone living in England is English, there cannot be any Irish, French, American, Chinese, Indian, Spanish or Scottish people there.
    British citizens living abroad can still vote in UK elections and referendums for 15 years after they left the UK, it is no different. However someone born in England who has lived abroad for 16 years would effectively no longer be English other than by birth and certainly less so than someone who lived and worked in England and obtained UK citizenship but was born elsewhere. The same would apply in Scotland.

    Irish, French, Chinese and Indian born people who live and work in England and who pay taxes in England and who have obtained UK citizenship would then have become English too
    We are in the presence of a deity. No mere mortal could know how all these immigrants self-identify.
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    MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    Hey @MrEd!

    Hello @CorrectHorseBattery! Hope all is good!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,187
    edited August 2021

    Carnyx said:


    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    valleyboy said:

    FFS Drakeford is closer to Starmer than Corbyn

    Not sure if I agree with you on that.
    And I second that :)

    Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
    Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
    It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
    Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.

    Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
    What happened under Miliband in 2015?
    Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
    Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
    GE    Scots seats %seats Boss

    1970 44/71 61.9% Wilson
    1974F 40/71 56.3% Wilson
    1974O 41/71 57.7% Wilson
    1979 44/71 61.9% Callaghan
    1983 41/72 56.9% Foot
    1987 50/72 69.4% Kinnock
    1992 49/72 68.1% Kinnock
    1997 56/72 77.8% Blair
    2001 56/72 77.8% Blair

    2005 41/59 69.5% Blair
    2010 41/59 69.5% Brown
    2015 1/59 1.6% Miliband
    2017 7/59 11.9% Corbyn
    2019 1/59 1.6% Corbyn
    And what happened in 2014?
    55% of Scots voted to stay in the UK
    Another HYFUD lie. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-figures-revealed-majority-5408163
    So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school

    But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
    So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.

    Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.

    That is racism, pure and simple
    I was pointing out that the 55% figure is not "55% of Scots" in your [edit] wording but 55% of those who actually voted in the referendum. Which is a smaller figure than those entitled to vote in Scotland. And smaller still than the population of Scotland. And tha is before one includes such as Mr Gove.

    I demand an apology from you.
    No 55%
    Yes 45%
    55% of voters. Not 55% of Scots. And what was Brexit, if not blood and soil nationalism?
    Leavers never said UK citizens who were not born in the UK and voted did not count in the referendum result
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    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    I'd like to know why people think I was predicting 100,000 cases a day?

    Multiple people have said that now and they are either entirely misguided or bare faced liars.

    You actually predicted 150k per day:

    You got there first, and I was only going to go with 150k

    July 18th

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/3488469#Comment_3488469
    Absolute scenes.


    I'll put a <humour> tag on future posts all right?
    Perhaps you'd like to apologise to the people you called 'bare faced liars'.
    I'm sorry you don't understand how jokes work.
    You weren't joking though were you.

    1) Make a prediction
    2) Prediction doesn't come true
    3) Call people who remind you of prediction of being 'bare faced liars'
    4) Have prediction pointed out
    5) Claim it was all a joke

    Not very classy.
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,954

    https://twitter.com/ashas_uk/status/1429387345195900933

    I don’t think that’s the real Tom Cruise?

    Maybe it is someone wearing a Tom Cruise latex mask. I've seen several thrilling documentaries like this.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    valleyboy said:

    FFS Drakeford is closer to Starmer than Corbyn

    Not sure if I agree with you on that.
    And I second that :)

    Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
    Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
    It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
    Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.

    Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
    What happened under Miliband in 2015?
    Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
    Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
    GE    Scots seats %seats Boss

    1970 44/71 61.9% Wilson
    1974F 40/71 56.3% Wilson
    1974O 41/71 57.7% Wilson
    1979 44/71 61.9% Callaghan
    1983 41/72 56.9% Foot
    1987 50/72 69.4% Kinnock
    1992 49/72 68.1% Kinnock
    1997 56/72 77.8% Blair
    2001 56/72 77.8% Blair

    2005 41/59 69.5% Blair
    2010 41/59 69.5% Brown
    2015 1/59 1.6% Miliband
    2017 7/59 11.9% Corbyn
    2019 1/59 1.6% Corbyn
    And what happened in 2014?
    55% of Scots voted to stay in the UK
    And the EU


    “The Scots” never voted on leaving the EU

    They voted to stay in the UK - I am sure they weighed lots of different arguments and came to an overall decision

    Subsequently the British electorate, including a significant number Scots, voted to leave the EU
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    tlg86 said:
    You prefer the use of glyphosate? Sad.
    The article does not make any sense.

    Chickweed and groundsel and willow herb don't cause pavements to buckle and people to fall over.

    The roots of big trees, yes. But, grass and ragwort, no.

    The Daily Mail has gone mental with pictures of "huge weeds" taking over Brighton, so there is barely any room for the human population.

    https://tinyurl.com/w8sxeve3
    I like the concept of “weeds running amok” in Sutherland Road. When do the meek get a go?
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    StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    valleyboy said:

    FFS Drakeford is closer to Starmer than Corbyn

    Not sure if I agree with you on that.
    And I second that :)

    Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
    Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
    It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
    Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.

    Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
    What happened under Miliband in 2015?
    Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
    Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
    GE    Scots seats %seats Boss

    1970 44/71 61.9% Wilson
    1974F 40/71 56.3% Wilson
    1974O 41/71 57.7% Wilson
    1979 44/71 61.9% Callaghan
    1983 41/72 56.9% Foot
    1987 50/72 69.4% Kinnock
    1992 49/72 68.1% Kinnock
    1997 56/72 77.8% Blair
    2001 56/72 77.8% Blair

    2005 41/59 69.5% Blair
    2010 41/59 69.5% Brown
    2015 1/59 1.6% Miliband
    2017 7/59 11.9% Corbyn
    2019 1/59 1.6% Corbyn
    And what happened in 2014?
    55% of Scots voted to stay in the UK
    And the EU


    “The Scots” never voted on leaving the EU

    They voted to stay in the UK - I am sure they weighed lots of different arguments and came to an overall decision

    Subsequently the British electorate, including a significant number Scots, voted to leave the EU
    Indeed? You’d better tell the BBC:

    ‘EU referendum: Scotland backs Remain as UK votes Leave‘

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36599102
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    MrEd said:

    Hey @MrEd!

    Hello @CorrectHorseBattery! Hope all is good!
    Yes Sir, all good here. My very best wishes to you.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    I'd like to know why people think I was predicting 100,000 cases a day?

    Multiple people have said that now and they are either entirely misguided or bare faced liars.

    You actually predicted 150k per day:

    You got there first, and I was only going to go with 150k

    July 18th

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/3488469#Comment_3488469
    Absolute scenes.


    I'll put a <humour> tag on future posts all right?
    Oh but Alistair, how do we know you were joking blah blah fucking blah.

    Because two days earlier i had entered my official prediction in the PB peak day competition

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/3485830/#Comment_3485830

    Scotland peak reported day cases was 6 days after schools broke up.

    It was 20% higher than the 7 day average, shows how tricky this is.

    So I'll go with either 62k on the 22nd July
    Or
    65k on the 29th.
    Both of which round to 100k…

    😝
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Charles said:

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    I'd like to know why people think I was predicting 100,000 cases a day?

    Multiple people have said that now and they are either entirely misguided or bare faced liars.

    You actually predicted 150k per day:

    You got there first, and I was only going to go with 150k

    July 18th

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/3488469#Comment_3488469
    Absolute scenes.


    I'll put a <humour> tag on future posts all right?
    Oh but Alistair, how do we know you were joking blah blah fucking blah.

    Because two days earlier i had entered my official prediction in the PB peak day competition

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/3485830/#Comment_3485830

    Scotland peak reported day cases was 6 days after schools broke up.

    It was 20% higher than the 7 day average, shows how tricky this is.

    So I'll go with either 62k on the 22nd July
    Or
    65k on the 29th.
    Both of which round to 100k…

    😝
    Well, you've got me there.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited August 2021

    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    valleyboy said:

    FFS Drakeford is closer to Starmer than Corbyn

    Not sure if I agree with you on that.
    And I second that :)

    Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
    Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
    It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
    Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.

    Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
    What happened under Miliband in 2015?
    Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
    Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
    GE    Scots seats %seats Boss

    1970 44/71 61.9% Wilson
    1974F 40/71 56.3% Wilson
    1974O 41/71 57.7% Wilson
    1979 44/71 61.9% Callaghan
    1983 41/72 56.9% Foot
    1987 50/72 69.4% Kinnock
    1992 49/72 68.1% Kinnock
    1997 56/72 77.8% Blair
    2001 56/72 77.8% Blair

    2005 41/59 69.5% Blair
    2010 41/59 69.5% Brown
    2015 1/59 1.6% Miliband
    2017 7/59 11.9% Corbyn
    2019 1/59 1.6% Corbyn
    And what happened in 2014?
    55% of Scots voted to stay in the UK
    And the EU


    “The Scots” never voted on leaving the EU

    They voted to stay in the UK - I am sure they weighed lots of different arguments and came to an overall decision

    Subsequently the British electorate, including a significant number Scots, voted to leave the EU
    Indeed? You’d better tell the BBC:

    ‘EU referendum: Scotland backs Remain as UK votes Leave‘

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36599102
    It’s a meaningless analysis, regardless of who does it, as they weren’t a voting unit.

    It’s the same as trying to argue that if Scotland votes for independence then the borders should remain part of the UK if they want.
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    YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    Charles said:

    tlg86 said:
    You prefer the use of glyphosate? Sad.
    The article does not make any sense.

    Chickweed and groundsel and willow herb don't cause pavements to buckle and people to fall over.

    The roots of big trees, yes. But, grass and ragwort, no.

    The Daily Mail has gone mental with pictures of "huge weeds" taking over Brighton, so there is barely any room for the human population.

    https://tinyurl.com/w8sxeve3
    I like the concept of “weeds running amok” in Sutherland Road. When do the meek get a go?
    It is hard to say which is the best picture.

    I think my favourite is "Weeds wreaking havoc on Kenya Avenue".

    Though the picture of the "Giant tufts of huge weeds have started to impede on the pathway of Westbourne Villas " is also very good.

    The DM have really excelled themselves.
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    Carnyx said:


    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    valleyboy said:

    FFS Drakeford is closer to Starmer than Corbyn

    Not sure if I agree with you on that.
    And I second that :)

    Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
    Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
    It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
    Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.

    Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
    What happened under Miliband in 2015?
    Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
    Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
    GE    Scots seats %seats Boss

    1970 44/71 61.9% Wilson
    1974F 40/71 56.3% Wilson
    1974O 41/71 57.7% Wilson
    1979 44/71 61.9% Callaghan
    1983 41/72 56.9% Foot
    1987 50/72 69.4% Kinnock
    1992 49/72 68.1% Kinnock
    1997 56/72 77.8% Blair
    2001 56/72 77.8% Blair

    2005 41/59 69.5% Blair
    2010 41/59 69.5% Brown
    2015 1/59 1.6% Miliband
    2017 7/59 11.9% Corbyn
    2019 1/59 1.6% Corbyn
    And what happened in 2014?
    55% of Scots voted to stay in the UK
    Another HYFUD lie. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-figures-revealed-majority-5408163
    So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school

    But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
    So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.

    Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.

    That is racism, pure and simple
    I was pointing out that the 55% figure is not "55% of Scots" in your [edit] wording but 55% of those who actually voted in the referendum. Which is a smaller figure than those entitled to vote in Scotland. And smaller still than the population of Scotland. And tha is before one includes such as Mr Gove.

    I demand an apology from you.
    No 55%
    Yes 45%
    55% of voters. Not 55% of Scots. And what was Brexit, if not blood and soil nationalism?
    Don't look at me! I was born in India...
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    I'd like to know why people think I was predicting 100,000 cases a day?

    Multiple people have said that now and they are either entirely misguided or bare faced liars.

    You actually predicted 150k per day:

    You got there first, and I was only going to go with 150k

    July 18th

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/3488469#Comment_3488469
    Absolute scenes.


    I'll put a <humour> tag on future posts all right?
    Perhaps you'd like to apologise to the people you called 'bare faced liars'.
    I'm sorry you don't understand how jokes work.
    You weren't joking though were you.

    1) Make a prediction
    2) Prediction doesn't come true
    3) Call people who remind you of prediction of being 'bare faced liars'
    4) Have prediction pointed out
    5) Claim it was all a joke

    Not very classy.
    Very slowly because i see you are struggling with this.

    Chris did one of his"Dooooooooom" posts. Francis took the piss out of him. I joined in taking the piss.

    If i was being serious don't you think i would have explained why i had more than doubled my prediction fron only 2 days before?
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    TimSTimS Posts: 9,838
    MrEd said:

    An absolute non sequitur to the conversations on here but on the Amalfi Coast and it is absolutely scorching down here, the sea is sublime and the food is fantastic.

    I was at St Margaret’s bay yesterday, swimming in the sea just before the rain came. Apart from the channel ferries in the distance it’s as close to the Amalfi coast as we have in the UK. Steep cliffs, tumbling gardens, palm trees, expensive villas (including the Noel Coward / Ian Fleming party houses by the beach), clear seawater (yes, actually clear) and stony beaches. There’s your extra non-sequitur.

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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    tlg86 said:
    You prefer the use of glyphosate? Sad.
    The article does not make any sense.

    Chickweed and groundsel and willow herb don't cause pavements to buckle and people to fall over.

    The roots of big trees, yes. But, grass and ragwort, no.

    The Daily Mail has gone mental with pictures of "huge weeds" taking over Brighton, so there is barely any room for the human population.

    https://tinyurl.com/w8sxeve3
    I like the concept of “weeds running amok” in Sutherland Road. When do the meek get a go?
    It is hard to say which is the best picture.

    I think my favourite is "Weeds wreaking havoc on Kenya Avenue".

    Though the picture of the "Giant tufts of huge weeds have started to impede on the pathway of Westbourne Villas " is also very good.

    The DM have really excelled themselves.
    “Grass and weeds have taken over the edge of the road in Montaque Place” deserves a special mention
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    Cleverly just admitted the Tories have weaponised woke and he is considered woke
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,036

    Cleverly just admitted the Tories have weaponised woke and he is considered woke

    Cleverly is considered woke?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,470
    edited August 2021
    Crikey! Mark Dolan from "Balls of Steel" has his own show on GB News!
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    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    I'd like to know why people think I was predicting 100,000 cases a day?

    Multiple people have said that now and they are either entirely misguided or bare faced liars.

    You actually predicted 150k per day:

    You got there first, and I was only going to go with 150k

    July 18th

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/3488469#Comment_3488469
    Absolute scenes.


    I'll put a <humour> tag on future posts all right?
    Perhaps you'd like to apologise to the people you called 'bare faced liars'.
    I'm sorry you don't understand how jokes work.
    You weren't joking though were you.

    1) Make a prediction
    2) Prediction doesn't come true
    3) Call people who remind you of prediction of being 'bare faced liars'
    4) Have prediction pointed out
    5) Claim it was all a joke

    Not very classy.
    Very slowly because i see you are struggling with this.

    Chris did one of his"Dooooooooom" posts. Francis took the piss out of him. I joined in taking the piss.

    If i was being serious don't you think i would have explained why i had more than doubled my prediction fron only 2 days before?
    The 'that prediction doesn't count' claim.

    Of course if the prediction had come true you would have claimed success.

    Topped off with the unpleasant accusation that PBers are 'bare faced liars' when they remind you of one of your predictions.
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    Cleverly just admitted the Tories have weaponised woke and he is considered woke

    Tories = Woke
    Taliban = Antiwoke
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,863
    Andy_JS said:

    Cleverly just admitted the Tories have weaponised woke and he is considered woke

    Cleverly is considered woke?
    Cleverly is considered not.
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    MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    TimS said:

    MrEd said:

    An absolute non sequitur to the conversations on here but on the Amalfi Coast and it is absolutely scorching down here, the sea is sublime and the food is fantastic.

    I was at St Margaret’s bay yesterday, swimming in the sea just before the rain came. Apart from the channel ferries in the distance it’s as close to the Amalfi coast as we have in the UK. Steep cliffs, tumbling gardens, palm trees, expensive villas (including the Noel Coward / Ian Fleming party houses by the beach), clear seawater (yes, actually clear) and stony beaches. There’s your extra non-sequitur.

    Thank you Tim, good to know but MrsEd will not take her hols in the U.K. - too wet and cold. But I will have to put that on my places to visit.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,863
    Samsung planning a $17bn fab in the US … if they get sufficient subsidies.
    https://www.eetimes.com/samsung-considering-3-u-s-fab-locations/
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    MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    MrEd said:

    Hey @MrEd!

    Hello @CorrectHorseBattery! Hope all is good!
    Yes Sir, all good here. My very best wishes to you.
    Excellent to hear and same to you.

    Thought I’d leave off any Trump / Biden comments tonight 😀
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,036

    Crikey! Mark Dolan from "Balls of Steel" has his own show on GB News!

    Yeah, I've been watching him on there for about 2 weeks. Apparently he was brought in to shore up the number of viewers.
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    HYUFD said:

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    HYUFD said:

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    valleyboy said:

    FFS Drakeford is closer to Starmer than Corbyn

    Not sure if I agree with you on that.
    And I second that :)

    Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
    Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
    It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
    Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.

    Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
    What happened under Miliband in 2015?
    Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
    Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
    GE    Scots seats %seats Boss

    1970 44/71 61.9% Wilson
    1974F 40/71 56.3% Wilson
    1974O 41/71 57.7% Wilson
    1979 44/71 61.9% Callaghan
    1983 41/72 56.9% Foot
    1987 50/72 69.4% Kinnock
    1992 49/72 68.1% Kinnock
    1997 56/72 77.8% Blair
    2001 56/72 77.8% Blair

    2005 41/59 69.5% Blair
    2010 41/59 69.5% Brown
    2015 1/59 1.6% Miliband
    2017 7/59 11.9% Corbyn
    2019 1/59 1.6% Corbyn
    And what happened in 2014?
    55% of Scots voted to stay in the UK
    Another HYFUD lie. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-figures-revealed-majority-5408163
    So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school

    But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
    So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.

    Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.

    That is racism, pure and simple
    I was pointing out that the 55% figure is not "55% of Scots" in your [edit] wording but 55% of those who actually voted in the referendum. Which is a smaller figure than those entitled to vote in Scotland. And smaller still than the population of Scotland. And tha is before one includes such as Mr Gove.

    I demand an apology from you.
    No 55%
    Yes 45%
    55% of voters. Not 55% of Scots. And what was Brexit, if not blood and soil nationalism?
    A rebellion against centralising power. Just as a Scottish independence vote would be. Which is why any reasonable Brexiteer should also support Scottish independence at least as far as the philosophical arguments go.
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    Andy_JS said:

    Cleverly just admitted the Tories have weaponised woke and he is considered woke

    Cleverly is considered woke?
    He said he would be considered woke so yes
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    CorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    edited August 2021
    MrEd said:

    MrEd said:

    Hey @MrEd!

    Hello @CorrectHorseBattery! Hope all is good!
    Yes Sir, all good here. My very best wishes to you.
    Excellent to hear and same to you.

    Thought I’d leave off any Trump / Biden comments tonight 😀
    No you keep posting those opinions in the good manner you do. Ignore the idiots who are rude to you.

    I do not agree with them all the time but like to hear what you have to say :)
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,030
    edited August 2021

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    I'd like to know why people think I was predicting 100,000 cases a day?

    Multiple people have said that now and they are either entirely misguided or bare faced liars.

    You actually predicted 150k per day:

    You got there first, and I was only going to go with 150k

    July 18th

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/3488469#Comment_3488469
    Absolute scenes.


    I'll put a <humour> tag on future posts all right?
    Perhaps you'd like to apologise to the people you called 'bare faced liars'.
    I'm sorry you don't understand how jokes work.
    You weren't joking though were you.

    1) Make a prediction
    2) Prediction doesn't come true
    3) Call people who remind you of prediction of being 'bare faced liars'
    4) Have prediction pointed out
    5) Claim it was all a joke

    Not very classy.
    Very slowly because i see you are struggling with this.

    Chris did one of his"Dooooooooom" posts. Francis took the piss out of him. I joined in taking the piss.

    If i was being serious don't you think i would have explained why i had more than doubled my prediction fron only 2 days before?
    The 'that prediction doesn't count' claim.

    Of course if the prediction had come true you would have claimed success.

    Topped off with the unpleasant accusation that PBers are 'bare faced liars' when they remind you of one of your predictions.
    You are getting very tiresome. He wasn't making a prediction he was taking the piss. Anyone with an ounce of sense or an ounce of honesty should be able to see that. His only mistake was he wasn't outlandish enough. If he had predicted a million new cases it would have been no more of a serious claim but might have stopped this idiotic attempt to smear him.
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    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    I'd like to know why people think I was predicting 100,000 cases a day?

    Multiple people have said that now and they are either entirely misguided or bare faced liars.

    You actually predicted 150k per day:

    You got there first, and I was only going to go with 150k

    July 18th

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/3488469#Comment_3488469
    Absolute scenes.


    I'll put a <humour> tag on future posts all right?
    Perhaps you'd like to apologise to the people you called 'bare faced liars'.
    I'm sorry you don't understand how jokes work.
    You weren't joking though were you.

    1) Make a prediction
    2) Prediction doesn't come true
    3) Call people who remind you of prediction of being 'bare faced liars'
    4) Have prediction pointed out
    5) Claim it was all a joke

    Not very classy.
    Very slowly because i see you are struggling with this.

    Chris did one of his"Dooooooooom" posts. Francis took the piss out of him. I joined in taking the piss.

    If i was being serious don't you think i would have explained why i had more than doubled my prediction fron only 2 days before?
    The 'that prediction doesn't count' claim.

    Of course if the prediction had come true you would have claimed success.

    Topped off with the unpleasant accusation that PBers are 'bare faced liars' when they remind you of one of your predictions.
    You are getting very tiresome. He wasn't making a prediction he was taking the piss. Anyone with an ounce of sense or an ounce of honesty should be able to see that. His only mistake was he wasn't outlandish enough. If he had predicted a million new cases it would have been no more of a serious but might have stopped this idiotic attempt to smear him.
    That same poster will jump down somebody else’s throat when they don’t understand their “joke”
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    HYUFD said:

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    valleyboy said:

    FFS Drakeford is closer to Starmer than Corbyn

    Not sure if I agree with you on that.
    And I second that :)

    Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
    Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
    It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
    Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.

    Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
    What happened under Miliband in 2015?
    Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
    Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
    GE    Scots seats %seats Boss

    1970 44/71 61.9% Wilson
    1974F 40/71 56.3% Wilson
    1974O 41/71 57.7% Wilson
    1979 44/71 61.9% Callaghan
    1983 41/72 56.9% Foot
    1987 50/72 69.4% Kinnock
    1992 49/72 68.1% Kinnock
    1997 56/72 77.8% Blair
    2001 56/72 77.8% Blair

    2005 41/59 69.5% Blair
    2010 41/59 69.5% Brown
    2015 1/59 1.6% Miliband
    2017 7/59 11.9% Corbyn
    2019 1/59 1.6% Corbyn
    And what happened in 2014?
    55% of Scots voted to stay in the UK
    Another HYFUD lie. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-figures-revealed-majority-5408163
    So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school

    But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
    So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.

    Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.

    That is racism, pure and simple
    I was pointing out that the 55% figure is not "55% of Scots" in your [edit] wording but 55% of those who actually voted in the referendum. Which is a smaller figure than those entitled to vote in Scotland. And smaller still than the population of Scotland. And tha is before one includes such as Mr Gove.

    I demand an apology from you.
    I rarely agree with HYUFD but he needn't apologise, he's entirely right.

    55% of Scots is the outcome of the referendum.

    Those entitled to vote but who can't be arsed to, and children, quite rightly aren't counted in discussions like this.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,187

    Carnyx said:


    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    valleyboy said:

    FFS Drakeford is closer to Starmer than Corbyn

    Not sure if I agree with you on that.
    And I second that :)

    Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
    Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
    It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
    Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.

    Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
    What happened under Miliband in 2015?
    Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
    Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
    GE    Scots seats %seats Boss

    1970 44/71 61.9% Wilson
    1974F 40/71 56.3% Wilson
    1974O 41/71 57.7% Wilson
    1979 44/71 61.9% Callaghan
    1983 41/72 56.9% Foot
    1987 50/72 69.4% Kinnock
    1992 49/72 68.1% Kinnock
    1997 56/72 77.8% Blair
    2001 56/72 77.8% Blair

    2005 41/59 69.5% Blair
    2010 41/59 69.5% Brown
    2015 1/59 1.6% Miliband
    2017 7/59 11.9% Corbyn
    2019 1/59 1.6% Corbyn
    And what happened in 2014?
    55% of Scots voted to stay in the UK
    Another HYFUD lie. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-figures-revealed-majority-5408163
    So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school

    But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
    So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.

    Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.

    That is racism, pure and simple
    I was pointing out that the 55% figure is not "55% of Scots" in your [edit] wording but 55% of those who actually voted in the referendum. Which is a smaller figure than those entitled to vote in Scotland. And smaller still than the population of Scotland. And tha is before one includes such as Mr Gove.

    I demand an apology from you.
    No 55%
    Yes 45%
    55% of voters. Not 55% of Scots. And what was Brexit, if not blood and soil nationalism?
    A rebellion against centralising power. Just as a Scottish independence vote would be. Which is why any reasonable Brexiteer should also support Scottish independence at least as far as the philosophical arguments go.
    Given Sturgeon only wants to leave the UK to return power to Brussels that does not follow
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    MLK had an aide called Dot Cotton!


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    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:


    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

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    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    valleyboy said:

    FFS Drakeford is closer to Starmer than Corbyn

    Not sure if I agree with you on that.
    And I second that :)

    Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
    Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
    It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
    Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.

    Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
    What happened under Miliband in 2015?
    Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
    Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
    GE    Scots seats %seats Boss

    1970 44/71 61.9% Wilson
    1974F 40/71 56.3% Wilson
    1974O 41/71 57.7% Wilson
    1979 44/71 61.9% Callaghan
    1983 41/72 56.9% Foot
    1987 50/72 69.4% Kinnock
    1992 49/72 68.1% Kinnock
    1997 56/72 77.8% Blair
    2001 56/72 77.8% Blair

    2005 41/59 69.5% Blair
    2010 41/59 69.5% Brown
    2015 1/59 1.6% Miliband
    2017 7/59 11.9% Corbyn
    2019 1/59 1.6% Corbyn
    And what happened in 2014?
    55% of Scots voted to stay in the UK
    Another HYFUD lie. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-figures-revealed-majority-5408163
    So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school

    But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
    So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.

    Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.

    That is racism, pure and simple
    I was pointing out that the 55% figure is not "55% of Scots" in your [edit] wording but 55% of those who actually voted in the referendum. Which is a smaller figure than those entitled to vote in Scotland. And smaller still than the population of Scotland. And tha is before one includes such as Mr Gove.

    I demand an apology from you.
    No 55%
    Yes 45%
    55% of voters. Not 55% of Scots. And what was Brexit, if not blood and soil nationalism?
    A rebellion against centralising power. Just as a Scottish independence vote would be. Which is why any reasonable Brexiteer should also support Scottish independence at least as far as the philosophical arguments go.
    Given Sturgeon only wants to leave the UK to return power to Brussels that does not follow
    Of course it does. We all have different views of what we consider a centralising power. It is undoubtedly the case that many Scots view Westminster as a centralised power in the same way that many Britons felt about Brussels.

    Your argument is that we should also consider these entities in the same way which is of course ridiculous. And Sturgeon is only one person. She does not speak with absolute authority for the whole Scottish Independence movement.

    It is worth remembering that many countries left the Soviet bloc and then joined the EU. Whilst I may not agree with them doing so (joining the EU) I can understand why they did at the time and the fact they joined the EU in no way undermines their original decision to leave the Eastern bloc. Personally I think Scotland would be mad to join the EU after winning independence but that is their decision and in no way undermines the Independence argument.
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    MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    MrEd said:

    MrEd said:

    Hey @MrEd!

    Hello @CorrectHorseBattery! Hope all is good!
    Yes Sir, all good here. My very best wishes to you.
    Excellent to hear and same to you.

    Thought I’d leave off any Trump / Biden comments tonight 😀
    No you keep posting those opinions in the good manner you do. Ignore the idiots who are rude to you.

    I do not agree with them all the time but like to hear what you have to say :)
    Thank you @CorrectHorseBattery and likewise to you and with you. I always find your opinions very informative.

    Now off to bed before another stunning Amalfi day…
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,187
    edited August 2021

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:


    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

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    HYUFD said:

    valleyboy said:

    FFS Drakeford is closer to Starmer than Corbyn

    Not sure if I agree with you on that.
    And I second that :)

    Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
    Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
    It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
    Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.

    Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
    What happened under Miliband in 2015?
    Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
    Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
    GE    Scots seats %seats Boss

    1970 44/71 61.9% Wilson
    1974F 40/71 56.3% Wilson
    1974O 41/71 57.7% Wilson
    1979 44/71 61.9% Callaghan
    1983 41/72 56.9% Foot
    1987 50/72 69.4% Kinnock
    1992 49/72 68.1% Kinnock
    1997 56/72 77.8% Blair
    2001 56/72 77.8% Blair

    2005 41/59 69.5% Blair
    2010 41/59 69.5% Brown
    2015 1/59 1.6% Miliband
    2017 7/59 11.9% Corbyn
    2019 1/59 1.6% Corbyn
    And what happened in 2014?
    55% of Scots voted to stay in the UK
    Another HYFUD lie. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-figures-revealed-majority-5408163
    So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school

    But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
    So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.

    Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.

    That is racism, pure and simple
    I was pointing out that the 55% figure is not "55% of Scots" in your [edit] wording but 55% of those who actually voted in the referendum. Which is a smaller figure than those entitled to vote in Scotland. And smaller still than the population of Scotland. And tha is before one includes such as Mr Gove.

    I demand an apology from you.
    No 55%
    Yes 45%
    55% of voters. Not 55% of Scots. And what was Brexit, if not blood and soil nationalism?
    A rebellion against centralising power. Just as a Scottish independence vote would be. Which is why any reasonable Brexiteer should also support Scottish independence at least as far as the philosophical arguments go.
    Given Sturgeon only wants to leave the UK to return power to Brussels that does not follow
    Of course it does. We all have different views of what we consider a centralising power. It is undoubtedly the case that many Scots view Westminster as a centralised power in the same way that many Britons felt about Brussels.

    Your argument is that we should also consider these entities in the same way which is of course ridiculous. And Sturgeon is only one person. She does not speak with absolute authority for the whole Scottish Independence movement.

    It is worth remembering that many countries left the Soviet bloc and then joined the EU. Whilst I may not agree with them doing so (joining the EU) I can understand why they did at the time and the fact they joined the EU in no way undermines their original decision to leave the Eastern bloc. Personally I think Scotland would be mad to join the EU after winning independence but that is their decision and in no way undermines the Independence argument.
    It does if your whole argument for backing Scottish independence is decentralisation.

    Jim Sillars has said he would go from Yes in 2014 to No now if it meant rejoining the EU for example (Yes in 2014 also meant leaving an EU member state which no longer applies)

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15138800.sillars-wont-vote-yes-second-referendum-means-return-eu/

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    HYUFD said:

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    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    valleyboy said:

    FFS Drakeford is closer to Starmer than Corbyn

    Not sure if I agree with you on that.
    And I second that :)

    Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
    Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
    It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
    Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.

    Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
    What happened under Miliband in 2015?
    Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
    Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
    GE    Scots seats %seats Boss

    1970 44/71 61.9% Wilson
    1974F 40/71 56.3% Wilson
    1974O 41/71 57.7% Wilson
    1979 44/71 61.9% Callaghan
    1983 41/72 56.9% Foot
    1987 50/72 69.4% Kinnock
    1992 49/72 68.1% Kinnock
    1997 56/72 77.8% Blair
    2001 56/72 77.8% Blair

    2005 41/59 69.5% Blair
    2010 41/59 69.5% Brown
    2015 1/59 1.6% Miliband
    2017 7/59 11.9% Corbyn
    2019 1/59 1.6% Corbyn
    And what happened in 2014?
    55% of Scots voted to stay in the UK
    Another HYFUD lie. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-figures-revealed-majority-5408163
    So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school

    But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
    So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.

    Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.

    That is racism, pure and simple
    I was pointing out that the 55% figure is not "55% of Scots" in your [edit] wording but 55% of those who actually voted in the referendum. Which is a smaller figure than those entitled to vote in Scotland. And smaller still than the population of Scotland. And tha is before one includes such as Mr Gove.

    I demand an apology from you.
    No 55%
    Yes 45%
    55% of voters. Not 55% of Scots. And what was Brexit, if not blood and soil nationalism?
    A rebellion against centralising power. Just as a Scottish independence vote would be. Which is why any reasonable Brexiteer should also support Scottish independence at least as far as the philosophical arguments go.
    Given Sturgeon only wants to leave the UK to return power to Brussels that does not follow
    Of course it does. We all have different views of what we consider a centralising power. It is undoubtedly the case that many Scots view Westminster as a centralised power in the same way that many Britons felt about Brussels.

    Your argument is that we should also consider these entities in the same way which is of course ridiculous. And Sturgeon is only one person. She does not speak with absolute authority for the whole Scottish Independence movement.

    It is worth remembering that many countries left the Soviet bloc and then joined the EU. Whilst I may not agree with them doing so (joining the EU) I can understand why they did at the time and the fact they joined the EU in no way undermines their original decision to leave the Eastern bloc. Personally I think Scotland would be mad to join the EU after winning independence but that is their decision and in no way undermines the Independence argument.
    It does if your whole argument for backing Scottish independence is decentralisation.

    Jim Sillars has said he would go from Yes in 2014 to No now if it meant rejoining the EU for example (Yes in 2014 also meant leaving an EU member state which no longer applies)

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15138800.sillars-wont-vote-yes-second-referendum-means-return-eu/

    That is up to them to decide. Currently they cannot. Hence the need for independence.

    Anyway you clearly don't consider these things like self determination are of any importance given you voted Remain and believe we should send in the tanks if the Scots disagree with you.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,187
    edited August 2021

    HYUFD said:

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    Carnyx said:


    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

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    valleyboy said:

    FFS Drakeford is closer to Starmer than Corbyn

    Not sure if I agree with you on that.
    And I second that :)

    Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
    Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
    It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
    Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.

    Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
    What happened under Miliband in 2015?
    Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
    Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
    GE    Scots seats %seats Boss

    1970 44/71 61.9% Wilson
    1974F 40/71 56.3% Wilson
    1974O 41/71 57.7% Wilson
    1979 44/71 61.9% Callaghan
    1983 41/72 56.9% Foot
    1987 50/72 69.4% Kinnock
    1992 49/72 68.1% Kinnock
    1997 56/72 77.8% Blair
    2001 56/72 77.8% Blair

    2005 41/59 69.5% Blair
    2010 41/59 69.5% Brown
    2015 1/59 1.6% Miliband
    2017 7/59 11.9% Corbyn
    2019 1/59 1.6% Corbyn
    And what happened in 2014?
    55% of Scots voted to stay in the UK
    Another HYFUD lie. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-figures-revealed-majority-5408163
    So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school

    But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
    So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.

    Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.

    That is racism, pure and simple
    I was pointing out that the 55% figure is not "55% of Scots" in your [edit] wording but 55% of those who actually voted in the referendum. Which is a smaller figure than those entitled to vote in Scotland. And smaller still than the population of Scotland. And tha is before one includes such as Mr Gove.

    I demand an apology from you.
    No 55%
    Yes 45%
    55% of voters. Not 55% of Scots. And what was Brexit, if not blood and soil nationalism?
    A rebellion against centralising power. Just as a Scottish independence vote would be. Which is why any reasonable Brexiteer should also support Scottish independence at least as far as the philosophical arguments go.
    Given Sturgeon only wants to leave the UK to return power to Brussels that does not follow
    Of course it does. We all have different views of what we consider a centralising power. It is undoubtedly the case that many Scots view Westminster as a centralised power in the same way that many Britons felt about Brussels.

    Your argument is that we should also consider these entities in the same way which is of course ridiculous. And Sturgeon is only one person. She does not speak with absolute authority for the whole Scottish Independence movement.

    It is worth remembering that many countries left the Soviet bloc and then joined the EU. Whilst I may not agree with them doing so (joining the EU) I can understand why they did at the time and the fact they joined the EU in no way undermines their original decision to leave the Eastern bloc. Personally I think Scotland would be mad to join the EU after winning independence but that is their decision and in no way undermines the Independence argument.
    It does if your whole argument for backing Scottish independence is decentralisation.

    Jim Sillars has said he would go from Yes in 2014 to No now if it meant rejoining the EU for example (Yes in 2014 also meant leaving an EU member state which no longer applies)

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15138800.sillars-wont-vote-yes-second-referendum-means-return-eu/

    That is up to them to decide. Currently they cannot. Hence the need for independence.

    Anyway you clearly don't consider these things like self determination are of any importance given you voted Remain and believe we should send in the tanks if the Scots disagree with you.
    I opposed and still oppose Scottish independence and respect the once in a generation 2014 vote and I voted Remain in 2016.

    I believe we are better and stronger together in an increasingly global world yes.

    However I did respect the Brexit vote, although I opposed leaving with no EU trade deal which we have avoided
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,155
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Aslan said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    valleyboy said:

    FFS Drakeford is closer to Starmer than Corbyn

    Not sure if I agree with you on that.
    And I second that :)

    Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
    Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
    It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
    Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.

    Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
    What happened under Miliband in 2015?
    Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
    Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
    GE    Scots seats %seats Boss

    1970 44/71 61.9% Wilson
    1974F 40/71 56.3% Wilson
    1974O 41/71 57.7% Wilson
    1979 44/71 61.9% Callaghan
    1983 41/72 56.9% Foot
    1987 50/72 69.4% Kinnock
    1992 49/72 68.1% Kinnock
    1997 56/72 77.8% Blair
    2001 56/72 77.8% Blair

    2005 41/59 69.5% Blair
    2010 41/59 69.5% Brown
    2015 1/59 1.6% Miliband
    2017 7/59 11.9% Corbyn
    2019 1/59 1.6% Corbyn
    And what happened in 2014?
    55% of Scots voted to stay in the UK
    Another HYFUD lie. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-figures-revealed-majority-5408163
    So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school

    But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
    What? Are you claiming immigrants to Scotland are not Scottish?
    Don’t you claim that immigrants to England are not English?
    No as that would be racism no better than the BNP if they live in England and work in England, pay taxes in England and have obtained British citizenship
    Then who are these “Scots” living in England, referred to by Conservative Cabinet ministers?

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/let-scots-in-whole-of-uk-vote-on-independence-boris-johnson-is-urged-8d09pdxcl

    If everyone living in England is English, there cannot be any Irish, French, American, Chinese, Indian, Spanish or Scottish people there.
    British citizens living abroad can still vote in UK elections and referendums for 15 years after they left the UK, it is no different. However someone born in England who has lived abroad for 16 years would effectively no longer be English other than by birth and certainly less so than someone who lived and worked in England and obtained UK citizenship but was born elsewhere. The same would apply in Scotland.

    Irish, French, Chinese and Indian born people who live and work in England and who pay taxes in England and who have obtained UK citizenship would then have become English too
    I know they never actually deliver this but I think Conservative policy is still "votes for life", even for people like myself who ceased to be English? Will I become English again if they do that or does it mean they're giving the right to vote to foreigners?
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    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    I'd like to know why people think I was predicting 100,000 cases a day?

    Multiple people have said that now and they are either entirely misguided or bare faced liars.

    You actually predicted 150k per day:

    You got there first, and I was only going to go with 150k

    July 18th

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/3488469#Comment_3488469
    Absolute scenes.


    I'll put a <humour> tag on future posts all right?
    Perhaps you'd like to apologise to the people you called 'bare faced liars'.
    I'm sorry you don't understand how jokes work.
    You weren't joking though were you.

    1) Make a prediction
    2) Prediction doesn't come true
    3) Call people who remind you of prediction of being 'bare faced liars'
    4) Have prediction pointed out
    5) Claim it was all a joke

    Not very classy.
    Very slowly because i see you are struggling with this.

    Chris did one of his"Dooooooooom" posts. Francis took the piss out of him. I joined in taking the piss.

    If i was being serious don't you think i would have explained why i had more than doubled my prediction fron only 2 days before?
    The 'that prediction doesn't count' claim.

    Of course if the prediction had come true you would have claimed success.

    Topped off with the unpleasant accusation that PBers are 'bare faced liars' when they remind you of one of your predictions.
    You are getting very tiresome. He wasn't making a prediction he was taking the piss. Anyone with an ounce of sense or an ounce of honesty should be able to see that. His only mistake was he wasn't outlandish enough. If he had predicted a million new cases it would have been no more of a serious claim but might have stopped this idiotic attempt to smear him.
    He was also being abusive.

    Unless that is you think the phrase 'bare faced liars' isn't such.

    This is the nature of predictions - the more extreme ones are those that are remembered.

    And I'll point out a prediction of 150k cases per day was in the range of what was being publicly talked about on that same day:

    Covid cases could hit 200,000 a day in the UK this year and cause “major disruption” to the NHS, according to the scientist whose initial modelling helped shape Britain’s coronavirus lockdown strategy.

    Prof Neil Ferguson said it was “almost inevitable” that Monday’s final phase of unlocking would bring on 100,000 daily cases, with about 1,000 hospitalisations – despite roughly half the UK being fully vaccinated. He added that he could foresee a situation in which the case rate expands to twice the size.

    “The real question is do we get to double that – or even higher,” he told BBC One’s Andrew Marr Show on Sunday,. “And that’s where the crystal ball starts to fail. I mean, we could get to 2,000 hospitalisations a day, 200,000 cases a day – but it’s much less certain.”


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/18/uk-covid-cases-could-hit-200000-a-day-says-neil-ferguson-scientist-behind-lockdown-strategy-england

    So do you think that Professor Neil Ferguson was 'taking the piss' with his mistake not being 'outlandish enough' ?
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    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    I'd like to know why people think I was predicting 100,000 cases a day?

    Multiple people have said that now and they are either entirely misguided or bare faced liars.

    You actually predicted 150k per day:

    You got there first, and I was only going to go with 150k

    July 18th

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/3488469#Comment_3488469
    Absolute scenes.


    I'll put a <humour> tag on future posts all right?
    Perhaps you'd like to apologise to the people you called 'bare faced liars'.
    I'm sorry you don't understand how jokes work.
    You weren't joking though were you.

    1) Make a prediction
    2) Prediction doesn't come true
    3) Call people who remind you of prediction of being 'bare faced liars'
    4) Have prediction pointed out
    5) Claim it was all a joke

    Not very classy.
    Very slowly because i see you are struggling with this.

    Chris did one of his"Dooooooooom" posts. Francis took the piss out of him. I joined in taking the piss.

    If i was being serious don't you think i would have explained why i had more than doubled my prediction fron only 2 days before?
    The 'that prediction doesn't count' claim.

    Of course if the prediction had come true you would have claimed success.

    Topped off with the unpleasant accusation that PBers are 'bare faced liars' when they remind you of one of your predictions.
    You are getting very tiresome. He wasn't making a prediction he was taking the piss. Anyone with an ounce of sense or an ounce of honesty should be able to see that. His only mistake was he wasn't outlandish enough. If he had predicted a million new cases it would have been no more of a serious claim but might have stopped this idiotic attempt to smear him.
    He was also being abusive.

    Unless that is you think the phrase 'bare faced liars' isn't such.

    This is the nature of predictions - the more extreme ones are those that are remembered.

    And I'll point out a prediction of 150k cases per day was in the range of what was being publicly talked about on that same day:

    Covid cases could hit 200,000 a day in the UK this year and cause “major disruption” to the NHS, according to the scientist whose initial modelling helped shape Britain’s coronavirus lockdown strategy.

    Prof Neil Ferguson said it was “almost inevitable” that Monday’s final phase of unlocking would bring on 100,000 daily cases, with about 1,000 hospitalisations – despite roughly half the UK being fully vaccinated. He added that he could foresee a situation in which the case rate expands to twice the size.

    “The real question is do we get to double that – or even higher,” he told BBC One’s Andrew Marr Show on Sunday,. “And that’s where the crystal ball starts to fail. I mean, we could get to 2,000 hospitalisations a day, 200,000 cases a day – but it’s much less certain.”


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/18/uk-covid-cases-could-hit-200000-a-day-says-neil-ferguson-scientist-behind-lockdown-strategy-england

    So do you think that Professor Neil Ferguson was 'taking the piss' with his mistake not being 'outlandish enough' ?
    Not to mention that Sajid Javid also said that infections could be over 100k per day:

    England will be entering “uncharted territory” in its wholesale scrapping of Covid lockdown rules and infection numbers could easily rise above 100,000 a day over the summer, the health secretary has said.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/06/covid-cases-rise-above-100000-a-day-sajid-javid-concedes-england
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    edited August 2021

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Aslan said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

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    HYUFD said:

    valleyboy said:

    FFS Drakeford is closer to Starmer than Corbyn

    Not sure if I agree with you on that.
    And I second that :)

    Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
    Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
    It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
    Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.

    Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
    What happened under Miliband in 2015?
    Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
    Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
    GE    Scots seats %seats Boss

    1970 44/71 61.9% Wilson
    1974F 40/71 56.3% Wilson
    1974O 41/71 57.7% Wilson
    1979 44/71 61.9% Callaghan
    1983 41/72 56.9% Foot
    1987 50/72 69.4% Kinnock
    1992 49/72 68.1% Kinnock
    1997 56/72 77.8% Blair
    2001 56/72 77.8% Blair

    2005 41/59 69.5% Blair
    2010 41/59 69.5% Brown
    2015 1/59 1.6% Miliband
    2017 7/59 11.9% Corbyn
    2019 1/59 1.6% Corbyn
    And what happened in 2014?
    55% of Scots voted to stay in the UK
    Another HYFUD lie. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-figures-revealed-majority-5408163
    So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school

    But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
    What? Are you claiming immigrants to Scotland are not Scottish?
    Don’t you claim that immigrants to England are not English?
    No as that would be racism no better than the BNP if they live in England and work in England, pay taxes in England and have obtained British citizenship
    Then who are these “Scots” living in England, referred to by Conservative Cabinet ministers?

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/let-scots-in-whole-of-uk-vote-on-independence-boris-johnson-is-urged-8d09pdxcl

    If everyone living in England is English, there cannot be any Irish, French, American, Chinese, Indian, Spanish or Scottish people there.
    British citizens living abroad can still vote in UK elections and referendums for 15 years after they left the UK, it is no different. However someone born in England who has lived abroad for 16 years would effectively no longer be English other than by birth and certainly less so than someone who lived and worked in England and obtained UK citizenship but was born elsewhere. The same would apply in Scotland.

    Irish, French, Chinese and Indian born people who live and work in England and who pay taxes in England and who have obtained UK citizenship would then have become English too
    I know they never actually deliver this but I think Conservative policy is still "votes for life", even for people like myself who ceased to be English? Will I become English again if they do that or does it mean they're giving the right to vote to foreigners?
    I think the ex-pat votes for life is in this session’s programme.

    ETA: Sec. 10 of the Elections Bill currently awaiting second reading in the Commons.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,005
    Charles said:

    tlg86 said:
    You prefer the use of glyphosate? Sad.
    The article does not make any sense.

    Chickweed and groundsel and willow herb don't cause pavements to buckle and people to fall over.

    The roots of big trees, yes. But, grass and ragwort, no.

    The Daily Mail has gone mental with pictures of "huge weeds" taking over Brighton, so there is barely any room for the human population.

    https://tinyurl.com/w8sxeve3
    I like the concept of “weeds running amok” in Sutherland Road. When do the meek get a go?
    One for @Alistair_meeks and @tlg86
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    theProletheProle Posts: 950

    Nigelb said:

    Boris Johnson ‘serious’ on delivering tunnel or bridge linking Northern Ireland and Scotland, says former aide

    Dominic Cummings described it as “the world’s most stupid tunnel to Ireland”.

    However, Mr Johnson’s former communications director Guto Harri believes a ‘Boris Burrow’ or ‘Boris Bridge’ should not be dismissed entirely.

    “He wants to maintain the union and he wants to persuade the rest of the world that we're still big players and can build big things - and what would be bigger than a tunnel under the Irish Sea, linking Scotland and Northern Ireland?” he told BBC Radio Ulster’s and Radio Scotland’s Boris’ Tunnel Vision.

    https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/boris-johnson-serious-on-delivering-tunnel-or-bridgelinking-northern-ireland-and-scotland-says-former-aide-40776906.html

    Puddled.
    In other reports we have had heard that HS2 East connection thru to Leeds is to be scrapped to save money and yet Johnson is pressing on with a tunnel to N Ireland?

    Bonkers on slits.
    HS2b was getting dangerously close to becoming more than hot air and some fancy CAD sketches at an overpriced consultancy.
    I think they would have canned HS2 were it not too far advanced when Covid came. Its logical to bin HS2b now, before the point of no return is reached.

    A tunnel to Ireland is at least 10 - 15 years away from that sort of point, in the mean time its mostly just PR events and a bung or two to their favourite consultancies for some feasibility studies. Why cancel it until its really obvious it's not going to happen? Also in ten years time it's pretty much guaranteed to be someone else's problem - much better to leave this particular unexploded bomb for someone else to defuse.

    Going back to HS2, I think the idea it's popular in the red wall is a London bubble myth.
    Notherners mostly drive, quite es small percentage use the train and even fewer regularly travel long distance by train.
    My town is 20 minutes from a station on the WCML, and its under 3hours to London. We've already suffered rampant house price inflation,especially of the larger/nicer houses as people figured they could move out of London and get back to the office a couple of days a week. This isn't a trend the locals wish to continue - rich southerners are better staying in the south, rather than turning more of the country into London commuter belt.

    Almost no one in the north will benefit from HS2, its just another tool to suck everything closer to London and most northerners despise London and all its works. So cancel away - we want to pay less tax, not have it wasted on white elephants. Or if they really must spend it, they could fix some of the more appalling bits of the road network in the north - that might actually be useful for us northerners.
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    FishingFishing Posts: 4,561
    theProle said:

    Nigelb said:

    Boris Johnson ‘serious’ on delivering tunnel or bridge linking Northern Ireland and Scotland, says former aide

    Dominic Cummings described it as “the world’s most stupid tunnel to Ireland”.

    However, Mr Johnson’s former communications director Guto Harri believes a ‘Boris Burrow’ or ‘Boris Bridge’ should not be dismissed entirely.

    “He wants to maintain the union and he wants to persuade the rest of the world that we're still big players and can build big things - and what would be bigger than a tunnel under the Irish Sea, linking Scotland and Northern Ireland?” he told BBC Radio Ulster’s and Radio Scotland’s Boris’ Tunnel Vision.

    https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/boris-johnson-serious-on-delivering-tunnel-or-bridgelinking-northern-ireland-and-scotland-says-former-aide-40776906.html

    Puddled.
    In other reports we have had heard that HS2 East connection thru to Leeds is to be scrapped to save money and yet Johnson is pressing on with a tunnel to N Ireland?

    Bonkers on slits.
    HS2b was getting dangerously close to becoming more than hot air and some fancy CAD sketches at an overpriced consultancy.
    I think they would have canned HS2 were it not too far advanced when Covid came. Its logical to bin HS2b now, before the point of no return is reached.

    A tunnel to Ireland is at least 10 - 15 years away from that sort of point, in the mean time its mostly just PR events and a bung or two to their favourite consultancies for some feasibility studies. Why cancel it until its really obvious it's not going to happen? Also in ten years time it's pretty much guaranteed to be someone else's problem - much better to leave this particular unexploded bomb for someone else to defuse.

    Going back to HS2, I think the idea it's popular in the red wall is a London bubble myth.
    Notherners mostly drive, quite es small percentage use the train and even fewer regularly travel long distance by train.
    My town is 20 minutes from a station on the WCML, and its under 3hours to London. We've already suffered rampant house price inflation,especially of the larger/nicer houses as people figured they could move out of London and get back to the office a couple of days a week. This isn't a trend the locals wish to continue - rich southerners are better staying in the south, rather than turning more of the country into London commuter belt.

    Almost no one in the north will benefit from HS2, its just another tool to suck everything closer to London and most northerners despise London and all its works. So cancel away - we want to pay less tax, not have it wasted on white elephants. Or if they really must spend it, they could fix some of the more appalling bits of the road network in the north - that might actually be useful for us northerners.
    Northerners clearly don't despite ALL London's works as they are happy enough to take the gigantic subsidies those works fund.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    I also "predicted" Scotland would do over a million vaccinations a day

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/3258244/#Comment_3258244
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