Discussionas underway about extending the current evacuation out of Kabul beyond 31st according to Biden.
It appears the US plan was that they hope the undertanding that they think they have with the Taliban would mean that, even if they called it a day in terms of the military led operation that those eligible would still be allowed out by other means e.g. charters etc would still continue. In effect the Taliban decide 100%.
Seems a stretch somehow.
Does Biden truly believe that there are no foreign jihadis in Afghanistan, who might have a different agenda to the Taliban leadership that went to Qatar?
All those blokes freed from the prisons, for example or bearing in mind its known that some of the Taliban in Kabul for example are not Afghans. We can safely turn a blind eye to all that, because its convenient, until it isnt.
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school
But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
What? Are you claiming immigrants to Scotland are not Scottish?
Don’t you claim that immigrants to England are not English?
Boris Johnson ‘serious’ on delivering tunnel or bridge linking Northern Ireland and Scotland, says former aide
Dominic Cummings described it as “the world’s most stupid tunnel to Ireland”.
However, Mr Johnson’s former communications director Guto Harri believes a ‘Boris Burrow’ or ‘Boris Bridge’ should not be dismissed entirely.
“He wants to maintain the union and he wants to persuade the rest of the world that we're still big players and can build big things - and what would be bigger than a tunnel under the Irish Sea, linking Scotland and Northern Ireland?” he told BBC Radio Ulster’s and Radio Scotland’s Boris’ Tunnel Vision.
In other reports we have had heard that HS2 East connection thru to Leeds is to be scrapped to save money and yet Johnson is pressing on with a tunnel to N Ireland?
Boris Johnson ‘serious’ on delivering tunnel or bridge linking Northern Ireland and Scotland, says former aide
Dominic Cummings described it as “the world’s most stupid tunnel to Ireland”.
However, Mr Johnson’s former communications director Guto Harri believes a ‘Boris Burrow’ or ‘Boris Bridge’ should not be dismissed entirely.
“He wants to maintain the union and he wants to persuade the rest of the world that we're still big players and can build big things - and what would be bigger than a tunnel under the Irish Sea, linking Scotland and Northern Ireland?” he told BBC Radio Ulster’s and Radio Scotland’s Boris’ Tunnel Vision.
In other reports we have had heard that HS2 East connection thru to Leeds is to be scrapped to save money and yet Johnson is pressing on with a tunnel to N Ireland?
Bonkers on slits.
I’ll believe it when I see it in the Budget, with the corresponding tax rises to pay for it.
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school
But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
What? Are you claiming immigrants to Scotland are not Scottish?
Don’t you claim that immigrants to England are not English?
No as that would be racism no better than the BNP if they live in England and work in England, pay taxes in England and have obtained British citizenship
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school
But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.
Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.
That is racism, pure and simple
I was pointing out that the 55% figure is not "55% of Scots" in your [edit] wording but 55% of those who actually voted in the referendum. Which is a smaller figure than those entitled to vote in Scotland. And smaller still than the population of Scotland. And tha is before one includes such as Mr Gove.
I demand an apology from you.
But you posted a link that broke down the voting figures by nationality? There was no mention of turnout at all.
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school
But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.
Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.
That is racism, pure and simple
I was pointing out that the 55% figure is not "55% of Scots" in your [edit] wording but 55% of those who actually voted in the referendum. Which is a smaller figure than those entitled to vote in Scotland. And smaller still than the population of Scotland. And tha is before one includes such as Mr Gove.
I demand an apology from you.
But you posted a link that broke down the voting figures by nationality? There was no mention of turnout at all.
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
Corbyn led Labour to its worst Scottish performance ever at a Westminster election in 2019, by going so far left plenty of moderate Unionist Scots voted Tory or LD in 2019.
The Nationalists of course will keep voting SNP regardless and even Sturgeon is a social democrat ie right of Corbyn, not a socialist like he is
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school
But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.
Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.
That is racism, pure and simple
We need to discuss this over a pint, in Cumbria, in Cyclefree’s daughter’s pub, with assorted PBers as witnesses and jury. Any volunteers for the jury?
Dunno. Do the jurors get issued with full riot gear, and how much danger money are they going to be paid?
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school
But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.
Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.
That is racism, pure and simple
I was pointing out that the 55% figure is not "55% of Scots" in your [edit] wording but 55% of those who actually voted in the referendum. Which is a smaller figure than those entitled to vote in Scotland. And smaller still than the population of Scotland. And tha is before one includes such as Mr Gove.
I demand an apology from you.
But you posted a link that broke down the voting figures by nationality? There was no mention of turnout at all.
Me? No, I most certainly did not.
Ah, I withdraw that. I got confused with the nested comments. The link was one reply previous.
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school
But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
What? Are you claiming immigrants to Scotland are not Scottish?
Don’t you claim that immigrants to England are not English?
No as that would be racism no better than the BNP if they live in England and work in England, pay taxes in England and have obtained British citizenship
Come on!
If you don't like the thought of racism then you can damn well apologise to me for accusing me of it.
I just tried to watch GB News. Oh dear. Oh dearie dearie me. Oh dearie dearie dearie dearie dearie dearie me.
I have just switched in. Today’s hot topic. ‘Employ a Prisoner’. Dear me, and the picture quality is like a third rate YouTube upload. Back to Columbo for me.
It was the picture quality that hit me in the face. Our youngest makes better TikTok videos. Much better.
The second thing that struck me was the imbecilic presenters. Two young Geordie women who clearly hadn’t had any training whatsoever.
Then their 15 seconds of fame was over. I’ll try again next year.
I just tried to watch GB News. Oh dear. Oh dearie dearie me. Oh dearie dearie dearie dearie dearie dearie me.
I have just switched in. Today’s hot topic. ‘Employ a Prisoner’. Dear me, and the picture quality is like a third rate YouTube upload. Back to Columbo for me.
It was the picture quality that hit me in the face. Our youngest makes better TikTok videos. Much better.
The second thing that struck me was the imbecilic presenters. Two young Geordie women who clearly hadn’t had any training whatsoever.
Then their 15 seconds of fame was over. I’ll try again next year.
An absolute non sequitur to the conversations on here but on the Amalfi Coast and it is absolutely scorching down here, the sea is sublime and the food is fantastic.
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school
But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
What? Are you claiming immigrants to Scotland are not Scottish?
Don’t you claim that immigrants to England are not English?
No as that would be racism no better than the BNP if they live in England and work in England, pay taxes in England and have obtained British citizenship
Then who are these “Scots” living in England, referred to by Conservative Cabinet ministers?
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
Corbyn led Labour to its worst Scottish performance ever at a Westminster election in 2019, by going so far left plenty of moderate Unionist Scots voted Tory or LD in 2019.
The Nationalists of course will keep voting SNP regardless and even Sturgeon is a social democrat ie right of Corbyn, not a socialist like he is
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school
But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.
Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.
That is racism, pure and simple
We need to discuss this over a pint, in Cumbria, in Cyclefree’s daughter’s pub, with assorted PBers as witnesses and jury. Any volunteers for the jury?
Dunno. Do the jurors get issued with full riot gear, and how much danger money are they going to be paid?
The jurors only get issued with riot gear if they promise to buy a round. Alternatively, you can be assured that HYFUD and I will be conducting a civilised conversation over a pint. Hope that’s ok with you, HYFUD?
I just tried to watch GB News. Oh dear. Oh dearie dearie me. Oh dearie dearie dearie dearie dearie dearie me.
I have just switched in. Today’s hot topic. ‘Employ a Prisoner’. Dear me, and the picture quality is like a third rate YouTube upload. Back to Columbo for me.
It was the picture quality that hit me in the face. Our youngest makes better TikTok videos. Much better.
The second thing that struck me was the imbecilic presenters. Two young Geordie women who clearly hadn’t had any training whatsoever.
Then their 15 seconds of fame was over. I’ll try again next year.
Tray and San are on GB News?
I always thought the delightful Tracey and Sandra were more Middlesbrough (?)
Further south than Newcastle anyway. They don’t speak Geordie.
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school
But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
What? Are you claiming immigrants to Scotland are not Scottish?
Don’t you claim that immigrants to England are not English?
No as that would be racism no better than the BNP if they live in England and work in England, pay taxes in England and have obtained British citizenship
Then who are these “Scots” living in England, referred to by Conservative Cabinet ministers?
If everyone living in England is English, there cannot be any Irish, French, American, Chinese, Indian, Spanish or Scottish people there.
Quite. It's interesting that HYUFD denies Mr Gove any right to be Scottish in any sense. Because in his interpretation only those who actually voted in indyref1 are 'Scots'. Mr Gove would be terribly upset. As would Stuart D.
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school
But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.
Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.
That is racism, pure and simple
I was pointing out that the 55% figure is not "55% of Scots" in your [edit] wording but 55% of those who actually voted in the referendum. Which is a smaller figure than those entitled to vote in Scotland. And smaller still than the population of Scotland. And tha is before one includes such as Mr Gove.
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school
But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
What? Are you claiming immigrants to Scotland are not Scottish?
Don’t you claim that immigrants to England are not English?
No as that would be racism no better than the BNP if they live in England and work in England, pay taxes in England and have obtained British citizenship
Then who are these “Scots” living in England, referred to by Conservative Cabinet ministers?
If everyone living in England is English, there cannot be any Irish, French, American, Chinese, Indian, Spanish or Scottish people there.
British citizens living abroad can still vote in UK elections and referendums for 15 years after they left the UK, it is no different. However someone born in England who has lived abroad for 16 years would effectively no longer be English other than by birth and certainly less so than someone who lived and worked in England and obtained UK citizenship but was born elsewhere. The same would apply in Scotland.
Irish, French, Chinese and Indian born people who live and work in England and who pay taxes in England and who have obtained UK citizenship would then have become English too
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school
But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.
Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.
That is racism, pure and simple
I was pointing out that the 55% figure is not "55% of Scots" in your [edit] wording but 55% of those who actually voted in the referendum. Which is a smaller figure than those entitled to vote in Scotland. And smaller still than the population of Scotland. And tha is before one includes such as Mr Gove.
I demand an apology from you.
That's laughable. When people refer to which way someone voted it implicitly means those who bothered to express an opinion.
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school
But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.
Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.
That is racism, pure and simple
I was pointing out that the 55% figure is not "55% of Scots" in your [edit] wording but 55% of those who actually voted in the referendum. Which is a smaller figure than those entitled to vote in Scotland. And smaller still than the population of Scotland. And tha is before one includes such as Mr Gove.
I demand an apology from you.
No 55% Yes 45%
55% of voters. Not 55% of Scots. And what was Brexit, if not blood and soil nationalism?
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school
But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
What? Are you claiming immigrants to Scotland are not Scottish?
Don’t you claim that immigrants to England are not English?
No as that would be racism no better than the BNP if they live in England and work in England, pay taxes in England and have obtained British citizenship
Then who are these “Scots” living in England, referred to by Conservative Cabinet ministers?
If everyone living in England is English, there cannot be any Irish, French, American, Chinese, Indian, Spanish or Scottish people there.
Quite. It's interesting that HYUFD denies Mr Gove any right to be Scottish in any sense. Because in his interpretation only those who actually voted in indyref1 are 'Scots'. Mr Gove would be terribly upset. As would Stuart D.
I didn’t get a vote in IndyRef1 as the register used was the Scottish Parliament one. I did however get a vote in the Brexit referendum, as the register used was the Westminster one.
I’d have voted Yes. (Naw ken!) I (think I) voted Remain. My sister got my proxy vote and she’s a rampant remainer, so I’m fairly sure that’s how it went.
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school
But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
What? Are you claiming immigrants to Scotland are not Scottish?
Don’t you claim that immigrants to England are not English?
No as that would be racism no better than the BNP if they live in England and work in England, pay taxes in England and have obtained British citizenship
Then who are these “Scots” living in England, referred to by Conservative Cabinet ministers?
If everyone living in England is English, there cannot be any Irish, French, American, Chinese, Indian, Spanish or Scottish people there.
British citizens living abroad can still vote in UK elections and referendums for 15 years after they left the UK, it is no different. However someone born in England who has lived abroad for 16 years would effectively no longer be English other than by birth and certainly less so than someone who lived and worked in England and obtained UK citizenship but was born elsewhere. The same would apply in Scotland.
Irish, French, Chinese and Indian born people who live and work in England and who pay taxes in England and who have obtained UK citizenship would then have become English too
We are in the presence of a deity. No mere mortal could know how all these immigrants self-identify.
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school
But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.
Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.
That is racism, pure and simple
I was pointing out that the 55% figure is not "55% of Scots" in your [edit] wording but 55% of those who actually voted in the referendum. Which is a smaller figure than those entitled to vote in Scotland. And smaller still than the population of Scotland. And tha is before one includes such as Mr Gove.
I demand an apology from you.
No 55% Yes 45%
55% of voters. Not 55% of Scots. And what was Brexit, if not blood and soil nationalism?
Leavers never said UK citizens who were not born in the UK and voted did not count in the referendum result
I'll put a <humour> tag on future posts all right?
Perhaps you'd like to apologise to the people you called 'bare faced liars'.
I'm sorry you don't understand how jokes work.
You weren't joking though were you.
1) Make a prediction 2) Prediction doesn't come true 3) Call people who remind you of prediction of being 'bare faced liars' 4) Have prediction pointed out 5) Claim it was all a joke
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school
But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.
Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.
That is racism, pure and simple
I was pointing out that the 55% figure is not "55% of Scots" in your [edit] wording but 55% of those who actually voted in the referendum. Which is a smaller figure than those entitled to vote in Scotland. And smaller still than the population of Scotland. And tha is before one includes such as Mr Gove.
I demand an apology from you.
No 55% Yes 45%
55% of voters. Not 55% of Scots. And what was Brexit, if not blood and soil nationalism?
I'll put a <humour> tag on future posts all right?
Perhaps you'd like to apologise to the people you called 'bare faced liars'.
I'm sorry you don't understand how jokes work.
You weren't joking though were you.
1) Make a prediction 2) Prediction doesn't come true 3) Call people who remind you of prediction of being 'bare faced liars' 4) Have prediction pointed out 5) Claim it was all a joke
Not very classy.
Very slowly because i see you are struggling with this.
Chris did one of his"Dooooooooom" posts. Francis took the piss out of him. I joined in taking the piss.
If i was being serious don't you think i would have explained why i had more than doubled my prediction fron only 2 days before?
An absolute non sequitur to the conversations on here but on the Amalfi Coast and it is absolutely scorching down here, the sea is sublime and the food is fantastic.
I was at St Margaret’s bay yesterday, swimming in the sea just before the rain came. Apart from the channel ferries in the distance it’s as close to the Amalfi coast as we have in the UK. Steep cliffs, tumbling gardens, palm trees, expensive villas (including the Noel Coward / Ian Fleming party houses by the beach), clear seawater (yes, actually clear) and stony beaches. There’s your extra non-sequitur.
I'll put a <humour> tag on future posts all right?
Perhaps you'd like to apologise to the people you called 'bare faced liars'.
I'm sorry you don't understand how jokes work.
You weren't joking though were you.
1) Make a prediction 2) Prediction doesn't come true 3) Call people who remind you of prediction of being 'bare faced liars' 4) Have prediction pointed out 5) Claim it was all a joke
Not very classy.
Very slowly because i see you are struggling with this.
Chris did one of his"Dooooooooom" posts. Francis took the piss out of him. I joined in taking the piss.
If i was being serious don't you think i would have explained why i had more than doubled my prediction fron only 2 days before?
The 'that prediction doesn't count' claim.
Of course if the prediction had come true you would have claimed success.
Topped off with the unpleasant accusation that PBers are 'bare faced liars' when they remind you of one of your predictions.
An absolute non sequitur to the conversations on here but on the Amalfi Coast and it is absolutely scorching down here, the sea is sublime and the food is fantastic.
I was at St Margaret’s bay yesterday, swimming in the sea just before the rain came. Apart from the channel ferries in the distance it’s as close to the Amalfi coast as we have in the UK. Steep cliffs, tumbling gardens, palm trees, expensive villas (including the Noel Coward / Ian Fleming party houses by the beach), clear seawater (yes, actually clear) and stony beaches. There’s your extra non-sequitur.
Thank you Tim, good to know but MrsEd will not take her hols in the U.K. - too wet and cold. But I will have to put that on my places to visit.
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school
But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.
Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.
That is racism, pure and simple
I was pointing out that the 55% figure is not "55% of Scots" in your [edit] wording but 55% of those who actually voted in the referendum. Which is a smaller figure than those entitled to vote in Scotland. And smaller still than the population of Scotland. And tha is before one includes such as Mr Gove.
I demand an apology from you.
No 55% Yes 45%
55% of voters. Not 55% of Scots. And what was Brexit, if not blood and soil nationalism?
A rebellion against centralising power. Just as a Scottish independence vote would be. Which is why any reasonable Brexiteer should also support Scottish independence at least as far as the philosophical arguments go.
I'll put a <humour> tag on future posts all right?
Perhaps you'd like to apologise to the people you called 'bare faced liars'.
I'm sorry you don't understand how jokes work.
You weren't joking though were you.
1) Make a prediction 2) Prediction doesn't come true 3) Call people who remind you of prediction of being 'bare faced liars' 4) Have prediction pointed out 5) Claim it was all a joke
Not very classy.
Very slowly because i see you are struggling with this.
Chris did one of his"Dooooooooom" posts. Francis took the piss out of him. I joined in taking the piss.
If i was being serious don't you think i would have explained why i had more than doubled my prediction fron only 2 days before?
The 'that prediction doesn't count' claim.
Of course if the prediction had come true you would have claimed success.
Topped off with the unpleasant accusation that PBers are 'bare faced liars' when they remind you of one of your predictions.
You are getting very tiresome. He wasn't making a prediction he was taking the piss. Anyone with an ounce of sense or an ounce of honesty should be able to see that. His only mistake was he wasn't outlandish enough. If he had predicted a million new cases it would have been no more of a serious claim but might have stopped this idiotic attempt to smear him.
I'll put a <humour> tag on future posts all right?
Perhaps you'd like to apologise to the people you called 'bare faced liars'.
I'm sorry you don't understand how jokes work.
You weren't joking though were you.
1) Make a prediction 2) Prediction doesn't come true 3) Call people who remind you of prediction of being 'bare faced liars' 4) Have prediction pointed out 5) Claim it was all a joke
Not very classy.
Very slowly because i see you are struggling with this.
Chris did one of his"Dooooooooom" posts. Francis took the piss out of him. I joined in taking the piss.
If i was being serious don't you think i would have explained why i had more than doubled my prediction fron only 2 days before?
The 'that prediction doesn't count' claim.
Of course if the prediction had come true you would have claimed success.
Topped off with the unpleasant accusation that PBers are 'bare faced liars' when they remind you of one of your predictions.
You are getting very tiresome. He wasn't making a prediction he was taking the piss. Anyone with an ounce of sense or an ounce of honesty should be able to see that. His only mistake was he wasn't outlandish enough. If he had predicted a million new cases it would have been no more of a serious but might have stopped this idiotic attempt to smear him.
That same poster will jump down somebody else’s throat when they don’t understand their “joke”
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school
But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.
Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.
That is racism, pure and simple
I was pointing out that the 55% figure is not "55% of Scots" in your [edit] wording but 55% of those who actually voted in the referendum. Which is a smaller figure than those entitled to vote in Scotland. And smaller still than the population of Scotland. And tha is before one includes such as Mr Gove.
I demand an apology from you.
I rarely agree with HYUFD but he needn't apologise, he's entirely right.
55% of Scots is the outcome of the referendum.
Those entitled to vote but who can't be arsed to, and children, quite rightly aren't counted in discussions like this.
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school
But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.
Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.
That is racism, pure and simple
I was pointing out that the 55% figure is not "55% of Scots" in your [edit] wording but 55% of those who actually voted in the referendum. Which is a smaller figure than those entitled to vote in Scotland. And smaller still than the population of Scotland. And tha is before one includes such as Mr Gove.
I demand an apology from you.
No 55% Yes 45%
55% of voters. Not 55% of Scots. And what was Brexit, if not blood and soil nationalism?
A rebellion against centralising power. Just as a Scottish independence vote would be. Which is why any reasonable Brexiteer should also support Scottish independence at least as far as the philosophical arguments go.
Given Sturgeon only wants to leave the UK to return power to Brussels that does not follow
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school
But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.
Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.
That is racism, pure and simple
I was pointing out that the 55% figure is not "55% of Scots" in your [edit] wording but 55% of those who actually voted in the referendum. Which is a smaller figure than those entitled to vote in Scotland. And smaller still than the population of Scotland. And tha is before one includes such as Mr Gove.
I demand an apology from you.
No 55% Yes 45%
55% of voters. Not 55% of Scots. And what was Brexit, if not blood and soil nationalism?
A rebellion against centralising power. Just as a Scottish independence vote would be. Which is why any reasonable Brexiteer should also support Scottish independence at least as far as the philosophical arguments go.
Given Sturgeon only wants to leave the UK to return power to Brussels that does not follow
Of course it does. We all have different views of what we consider a centralising power. It is undoubtedly the case that many Scots view Westminster as a centralised power in the same way that many Britons felt about Brussels.
Your argument is that we should also consider these entities in the same way which is of course ridiculous. And Sturgeon is only one person. She does not speak with absolute authority for the whole Scottish Independence movement.
It is worth remembering that many countries left the Soviet bloc and then joined the EU. Whilst I may not agree with them doing so (joining the EU) I can understand why they did at the time and the fact they joined the EU in no way undermines their original decision to leave the Eastern bloc. Personally I think Scotland would be mad to join the EU after winning independence but that is their decision and in no way undermines the Independence argument.
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school
But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.
Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.
That is racism, pure and simple
I was pointing out that the 55% figure is not "55% of Scots" in your [edit] wording but 55% of those who actually voted in the referendum. Which is a smaller figure than those entitled to vote in Scotland. And smaller still than the population of Scotland. And tha is before one includes such as Mr Gove.
I demand an apology from you.
No 55% Yes 45%
55% of voters. Not 55% of Scots. And what was Brexit, if not blood and soil nationalism?
A rebellion against centralising power. Just as a Scottish independence vote would be. Which is why any reasonable Brexiteer should also support Scottish independence at least as far as the philosophical arguments go.
Given Sturgeon only wants to leave the UK to return power to Brussels that does not follow
Of course it does. We all have different views of what we consider a centralising power. It is undoubtedly the case that many Scots view Westminster as a centralised power in the same way that many Britons felt about Brussels.
Your argument is that we should also consider these entities in the same way which is of course ridiculous. And Sturgeon is only one person. She does not speak with absolute authority for the whole Scottish Independence movement.
It is worth remembering that many countries left the Soviet bloc and then joined the EU. Whilst I may not agree with them doing so (joining the EU) I can understand why they did at the time and the fact they joined the EU in no way undermines their original decision to leave the Eastern bloc. Personally I think Scotland would be mad to join the EU after winning independence but that is their decision and in no way undermines the Independence argument.
It does if your whole argument for backing Scottish independence is decentralisation.
Jim Sillars has said he would go from Yes in 2014 to No now if it meant rejoining the EU for example (Yes in 2014 also meant leaving an EU member state which no longer applies)
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school
But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.
Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.
That is racism, pure and simple
I was pointing out that the 55% figure is not "55% of Scots" in your [edit] wording but 55% of those who actually voted in the referendum. Which is a smaller figure than those entitled to vote in Scotland. And smaller still than the population of Scotland. And tha is before one includes such as Mr Gove.
I demand an apology from you.
No 55% Yes 45%
55% of voters. Not 55% of Scots. And what was Brexit, if not blood and soil nationalism?
A rebellion against centralising power. Just as a Scottish independence vote would be. Which is why any reasonable Brexiteer should also support Scottish independence at least as far as the philosophical arguments go.
Given Sturgeon only wants to leave the UK to return power to Brussels that does not follow
Of course it does. We all have different views of what we consider a centralising power. It is undoubtedly the case that many Scots view Westminster as a centralised power in the same way that many Britons felt about Brussels.
Your argument is that we should also consider these entities in the same way which is of course ridiculous. And Sturgeon is only one person. She does not speak with absolute authority for the whole Scottish Independence movement.
It is worth remembering that many countries left the Soviet bloc and then joined the EU. Whilst I may not agree with them doing so (joining the EU) I can understand why they did at the time and the fact they joined the EU in no way undermines their original decision to leave the Eastern bloc. Personally I think Scotland would be mad to join the EU after winning independence but that is their decision and in no way undermines the Independence argument.
It does if your whole argument for backing Scottish independence is decentralisation.
Jim Sillars has said he would go from Yes in 2014 to No now if it meant rejoining the EU for example (Yes in 2014 also meant leaving an EU member state which no longer applies)
That is up to them to decide. Currently they cannot. Hence the need for independence.
Anyway you clearly don't consider these things like self determination are of any importance given you voted Remain and believe we should send in the tanks if the Scots disagree with you.
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school
But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
So you too are a blood and soil nationalist.
Anyone not born in Scotland does not count as a Scot nor should they have any say in Scottish affairs even if they live in Scotland.
That is racism, pure and simple
I was pointing out that the 55% figure is not "55% of Scots" in your [edit] wording but 55% of those who actually voted in the referendum. Which is a smaller figure than those entitled to vote in Scotland. And smaller still than the population of Scotland. And tha is before one includes such as Mr Gove.
I demand an apology from you.
No 55% Yes 45%
55% of voters. Not 55% of Scots. And what was Brexit, if not blood and soil nationalism?
A rebellion against centralising power. Just as a Scottish independence vote would be. Which is why any reasonable Brexiteer should also support Scottish independence at least as far as the philosophical arguments go.
Given Sturgeon only wants to leave the UK to return power to Brussels that does not follow
Of course it does. We all have different views of what we consider a centralising power. It is undoubtedly the case that many Scots view Westminster as a centralised power in the same way that many Britons felt about Brussels.
Your argument is that we should also consider these entities in the same way which is of course ridiculous. And Sturgeon is only one person. She does not speak with absolute authority for the whole Scottish Independence movement.
It is worth remembering that many countries left the Soviet bloc and then joined the EU. Whilst I may not agree with them doing so (joining the EU) I can understand why they did at the time and the fact they joined the EU in no way undermines their original decision to leave the Eastern bloc. Personally I think Scotland would be mad to join the EU after winning independence but that is their decision and in no way undermines the Independence argument.
It does if your whole argument for backing Scottish independence is decentralisation.
Jim Sillars has said he would go from Yes in 2014 to No now if it meant rejoining the EU for example (Yes in 2014 also meant leaving an EU member state which no longer applies)
That is up to them to decide. Currently they cannot. Hence the need for independence.
Anyway you clearly don't consider these things like self determination are of any importance given you voted Remain and believe we should send in the tanks if the Scots disagree with you.
I opposed and still oppose Scottish independence and respect the once in a generation 2014 vote and I voted Remain in 2016.
I believe we are better and stronger together in an increasingly global world yes.
However I did respect the Brexit vote, although I opposed leaving with no EU trade deal which we have avoided
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school
But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
What? Are you claiming immigrants to Scotland are not Scottish?
Don’t you claim that immigrants to England are not English?
No as that would be racism no better than the BNP if they live in England and work in England, pay taxes in England and have obtained British citizenship
Then who are these “Scots” living in England, referred to by Conservative Cabinet ministers?
If everyone living in England is English, there cannot be any Irish, French, American, Chinese, Indian, Spanish or Scottish people there.
British citizens living abroad can still vote in UK elections and referendums for 15 years after they left the UK, it is no different. However someone born in England who has lived abroad for 16 years would effectively no longer be English other than by birth and certainly less so than someone who lived and worked in England and obtained UK citizenship but was born elsewhere. The same would apply in Scotland.
Irish, French, Chinese and Indian born people who live and work in England and who pay taxes in England and who have obtained UK citizenship would then have become English too
I know they never actually deliver this but I think Conservative policy is still "votes for life", even for people like myself who ceased to be English? Will I become English again if they do that or does it mean they're giving the right to vote to foreigners?
I'll put a <humour> tag on future posts all right?
Perhaps you'd like to apologise to the people you called 'bare faced liars'.
I'm sorry you don't understand how jokes work.
You weren't joking though were you.
1) Make a prediction 2) Prediction doesn't come true 3) Call people who remind you of prediction of being 'bare faced liars' 4) Have prediction pointed out 5) Claim it was all a joke
Not very classy.
Very slowly because i see you are struggling with this.
Chris did one of his"Dooooooooom" posts. Francis took the piss out of him. I joined in taking the piss.
If i was being serious don't you think i would have explained why i had more than doubled my prediction fron only 2 days before?
The 'that prediction doesn't count' claim.
Of course if the prediction had come true you would have claimed success.
Topped off with the unpleasant accusation that PBers are 'bare faced liars' when they remind you of one of your predictions.
You are getting very tiresome. He wasn't making a prediction he was taking the piss. Anyone with an ounce of sense or an ounce of honesty should be able to see that. His only mistake was he wasn't outlandish enough. If he had predicted a million new cases it would have been no more of a serious claim but might have stopped this idiotic attempt to smear him.
He was also being abusive.
Unless that is you think the phrase 'bare faced liars' isn't such.
This is the nature of predictions - the more extreme ones are those that are remembered.
And I'll point out a prediction of 150k cases per day was in the range of what was being publicly talked about on that same day:
Covid cases could hit 200,000 a day in the UK this year and cause “major disruption” to the NHS, according to the scientist whose initial modelling helped shape Britain’s coronavirus lockdown strategy.
Prof Neil Ferguson said it was “almost inevitable” that Monday’s final phase of unlocking would bring on 100,000 daily cases, with about 1,000 hospitalisations – despite roughly half the UK being fully vaccinated. He added that he could foresee a situation in which the case rate expands to twice the size.
“The real question is do we get to double that – or even higher,” he told BBC One’s Andrew Marr Show on Sunday,. “And that’s where the crystal ball starts to fail. I mean, we could get to 2,000 hospitalisations a day, 200,000 cases a day – but it’s much less certain.”
I'll put a <humour> tag on future posts all right?
Perhaps you'd like to apologise to the people you called 'bare faced liars'.
I'm sorry you don't understand how jokes work.
You weren't joking though were you.
1) Make a prediction 2) Prediction doesn't come true 3) Call people who remind you of prediction of being 'bare faced liars' 4) Have prediction pointed out 5) Claim it was all a joke
Not very classy.
Very slowly because i see you are struggling with this.
Chris did one of his"Dooooooooom" posts. Francis took the piss out of him. I joined in taking the piss.
If i was being serious don't you think i would have explained why i had more than doubled my prediction fron only 2 days before?
The 'that prediction doesn't count' claim.
Of course if the prediction had come true you would have claimed success.
Topped off with the unpleasant accusation that PBers are 'bare faced liars' when they remind you of one of your predictions.
You are getting very tiresome. He wasn't making a prediction he was taking the piss. Anyone with an ounce of sense or an ounce of honesty should be able to see that. His only mistake was he wasn't outlandish enough. If he had predicted a million new cases it would have been no more of a serious claim but might have stopped this idiotic attempt to smear him.
He was also being abusive.
Unless that is you think the phrase 'bare faced liars' isn't such.
This is the nature of predictions - the more extreme ones are those that are remembered.
And I'll point out a prediction of 150k cases per day was in the range of what was being publicly talked about on that same day:
Covid cases could hit 200,000 a day in the UK this year and cause “major disruption” to the NHS, according to the scientist whose initial modelling helped shape Britain’s coronavirus lockdown strategy.
Prof Neil Ferguson said it was “almost inevitable” that Monday’s final phase of unlocking would bring on 100,000 daily cases, with about 1,000 hospitalisations – despite roughly half the UK being fully vaccinated. He added that he could foresee a situation in which the case rate expands to twice the size.
“The real question is do we get to double that – or even higher,” he told BBC One’s Andrew Marr Show on Sunday,. “And that’s where the crystal ball starts to fail. I mean, we could get to 2,000 hospitalisations a day, 200,000 cases a day – but it’s much less certain.”
So do you think that Professor Neil Ferguson was 'taking the piss' with his mistake not being 'outlandish enough' ?
Not to mention that Sajid Javid also said that infections could be over 100k per day:
England will be entering “uncharted territory” in its wholesale scrapping of Covid lockdown rules and infection numbers could easily rise above 100,000 a day over the summer, the health secretary has said.
Drakeford is closer to Corbyn than SKS (with the possible exception of Europe).
Given Wales is the only part of the UK that voted for Corbyn in either 2017 or 2019 hardly a surprise, Labour did not need to change from Corbynism to win Wales, it does need to change from Corbynism to win England and Scotland however
It’s not Corbynism, Brownism or Blairism that is suppressing the Labour vote in Scotland. It is British nationalism.
Labour totals in 1997, 2001 and 2005 in Scotland under Unionist Blair 45.6%, 43.9% and 39.5%. Unionist Brown Labour total in 2010 in Scotland 42%.
Labour totals in Scotland in 2017 and 2019 under Corbyn just 27.1% and 18.6%
What happened under Miliband in 2015?
Even Miliband still got more than Corbyn did in 2019 but Miliband was also left of Blair and Brown
Far right Tory advises Scottish Labour to move right. Err… I’m sure they are agog at your insight and wisdom.
So you are now taking the racist line that anyone not born in Scotland but who lives in Scotland and pays taxes in Scotland should have no vote in Scotland? Nothing but blood and soil nationalism of the BNP school
But you are yourself lying blatantly about '55% of Scots'. It;s about time you learnt to tell the truth with some precision.
What? Are you claiming immigrants to Scotland are not Scottish?
Don’t you claim that immigrants to England are not English?
No as that would be racism no better than the BNP if they live in England and work in England, pay taxes in England and have obtained British citizenship
Then who are these “Scots” living in England, referred to by Conservative Cabinet ministers?
If everyone living in England is English, there cannot be any Irish, French, American, Chinese, Indian, Spanish or Scottish people there.
British citizens living abroad can still vote in UK elections and referendums for 15 years after they left the UK, it is no different. However someone born in England who has lived abroad for 16 years would effectively no longer be English other than by birth and certainly less so than someone who lived and worked in England and obtained UK citizenship but was born elsewhere. The same would apply in Scotland.
Irish, French, Chinese and Indian born people who live and work in England and who pay taxes in England and who have obtained UK citizenship would then have become English too
I know they never actually deliver this but I think Conservative policy is still "votes for life", even for people like myself who ceased to be English? Will I become English again if they do that or does it mean they're giving the right to vote to foreigners?
I think the ex-pat votes for life is in this session’s programme.
ETA: Sec. 10 of the Elections Bill currently awaiting second reading in the Commons.
Boris Johnson ‘serious’ on delivering tunnel or bridge linking Northern Ireland and Scotland, says former aide
Dominic Cummings described it as “the world’s most stupid tunnel to Ireland”.
However, Mr Johnson’s former communications director Guto Harri believes a ‘Boris Burrow’ or ‘Boris Bridge’ should not be dismissed entirely.
“He wants to maintain the union and he wants to persuade the rest of the world that we're still big players and can build big things - and what would be bigger than a tunnel under the Irish Sea, linking Scotland and Northern Ireland?” he told BBC Radio Ulster’s and Radio Scotland’s Boris’ Tunnel Vision.
In other reports we have had heard that HS2 East connection thru to Leeds is to be scrapped to save money and yet Johnson is pressing on with a tunnel to N Ireland?
Bonkers on slits.
HS2b was getting dangerously close to becoming more than hot air and some fancy CAD sketches at an overpriced consultancy. I think they would have canned HS2 were it not too far advanced when Covid came. Its logical to bin HS2b now, before the point of no return is reached.
A tunnel to Ireland is at least 10 - 15 years away from that sort of point, in the mean time its mostly just PR events and a bung or two to their favourite consultancies for some feasibility studies. Why cancel it until its really obvious it's not going to happen? Also in ten years time it's pretty much guaranteed to be someone else's problem - much better to leave this particular unexploded bomb for someone else to defuse.
Going back to HS2, I think the idea it's popular in the red wall is a London bubble myth. Notherners mostly drive, quite es small percentage use the train and even fewer regularly travel long distance by train. My town is 20 minutes from a station on the WCML, and its under 3hours to London. We've already suffered rampant house price inflation,especially of the larger/nicer houses as people figured they could move out of London and get back to the office a couple of days a week. This isn't a trend the locals wish to continue - rich southerners are better staying in the south, rather than turning more of the country into London commuter belt.
Almost no one in the north will benefit from HS2, its just another tool to suck everything closer to London and most northerners despise London and all its works. So cancel away - we want to pay less tax, not have it wasted on white elephants. Or if they really must spend it, they could fix some of the more appalling bits of the road network in the north - that might actually be useful for us northerners.
Boris Johnson ‘serious’ on delivering tunnel or bridge linking Northern Ireland and Scotland, says former aide
Dominic Cummings described it as “the world’s most stupid tunnel to Ireland”.
However, Mr Johnson’s former communications director Guto Harri believes a ‘Boris Burrow’ or ‘Boris Bridge’ should not be dismissed entirely.
“He wants to maintain the union and he wants to persuade the rest of the world that we're still big players and can build big things - and what would be bigger than a tunnel under the Irish Sea, linking Scotland and Northern Ireland?” he told BBC Radio Ulster’s and Radio Scotland’s Boris’ Tunnel Vision.
In other reports we have had heard that HS2 East connection thru to Leeds is to be scrapped to save money and yet Johnson is pressing on with a tunnel to N Ireland?
Bonkers on slits.
HS2b was getting dangerously close to becoming more than hot air and some fancy CAD sketches at an overpriced consultancy. I think they would have canned HS2 were it not too far advanced when Covid came. Its logical to bin HS2b now, before the point of no return is reached.
A tunnel to Ireland is at least 10 - 15 years away from that sort of point, in the mean time its mostly just PR events and a bung or two to their favourite consultancies for some feasibility studies. Why cancel it until its really obvious it's not going to happen? Also in ten years time it's pretty much guaranteed to be someone else's problem - much better to leave this particular unexploded bomb for someone else to defuse.
Going back to HS2, I think the idea it's popular in the red wall is a London bubble myth. Notherners mostly drive, quite es small percentage use the train and even fewer regularly travel long distance by train. My town is 20 minutes from a station on the WCML, and its under 3hours to London. We've already suffered rampant house price inflation,especially of the larger/nicer houses as people figured they could move out of London and get back to the office a couple of days a week. This isn't a trend the locals wish to continue - rich southerners are better staying in the south, rather than turning more of the country into London commuter belt.
Almost no one in the north will benefit from HS2, its just another tool to suck everything closer to London and most northerners despise London and all its works. So cancel away - we want to pay less tax, not have it wasted on white elephants. Or if they really must spend it, they could fix some of the more appalling bits of the road network in the north - that might actually be useful for us northerners.
Northerners clearly don't despite ALL London's works as they are happy enough to take the gigantic subsidies those works fund.
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Bonkers on slits.
You got there first, and I was only going to go with 150k
July 18th
https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/3488469#Comment_3488469
If you don't like the thought of racism then you can damn well apologise to me for accusing me of it.
The second thing that struck me was the imbecilic presenters. Two young Geordie women who clearly hadn’t had any training whatsoever.
Then their 15 seconds of fame was over. I’ll try again next year.
I'll put a <humour> tag on future posts all right?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/let-scots-in-whole-of-uk-vote-on-independence-boris-johnson-is-urged-8d09pdxcl
If everyone living in England is English, there cannot be any Irish, French, American, Chinese, Indian, Spanish or Scottish people there.
Further south than Newcastle anyway. They don’t speak Geordie.
EDIT: Wikipedia says Nottingham.
Because two days earlier i had entered my official prediction in the PB peak day competition
https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/3485830/#Comment_3485830
Scotland peak reported day cases was 6 days after schools broke up.
It was 20% higher than the 7 day average, shows how tricky this is.
So I'll go with either 62k on the 22nd July
Or
65k on the 29th.
Yes 45%
Irish, French, Chinese and Indian born people who live and work in England and who pay taxes in England and who have obtained UK citizenship would then have become English too
I don’t think that’s the real Tom Cruise?
I’d have voted Yes. (Naw ken!)
I (think I) voted Remain. My sister got my proxy vote and she’s a rampant remainer, so I’m fairly sure that’s how it went.
Just him without the Botox and makeup looking more his 59 years
1) Make a prediction
2) Prediction doesn't come true
3) Call people who remind you of prediction of being 'bare faced liars'
4) Have prediction pointed out
5) Claim it was all a joke
Not very classy.
They voted to stay in the UK - I am sure they weighed lots of different arguments and came to an overall decision
Subsequently the British electorate, including a significant number Scots, voted to leave the EU
‘EU referendum: Scotland backs Remain as UK votes Leave‘
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36599102
😝
It’s the same as trying to argue that if Scotland votes for independence then the borders should remain part of the UK if they want.
I think my favourite is "Weeds wreaking havoc on Kenya Avenue".
Though the picture of the "Giant tufts of huge weeds have started to impede on the pathway of Westbourne Villas " is also very good.
The DM have really excelled themselves.
Chris did one of his"Dooooooooom" posts. Francis took the piss out of him. I joined in taking the piss.
If i was being serious don't you think i would have explained why i had more than doubled my prediction fron only 2 days before?
Of course if the prediction had come true you would have claimed success.
Topped off with the unpleasant accusation that PBers are 'bare faced liars' when they remind you of one of your predictions.
Taliban = Antiwoke
https://www.eetimes.com/samsung-considering-3-u-s-fab-locations/
Thought I’d leave off any Trump / Biden comments tonight 😀
I do not agree with them all the time but like to hear what you have to say
55% of Scots is the outcome of the referendum.
Those entitled to vote but who can't be arsed to, and children, quite rightly aren't counted in discussions like this.
MLK had an aide called Dot Cotton!
Your argument is that we should also consider these entities in the same way which is of course ridiculous. And Sturgeon is only one person. She does not speak with absolute authority for the whole Scottish Independence movement.
It is worth remembering that many countries left the Soviet bloc and then joined the EU. Whilst I may not agree with them doing so (joining the EU) I can understand why they did at the time and the fact they joined the EU in no way undermines their original decision to leave the Eastern bloc. Personally I think Scotland would be mad to join the EU after winning independence but that is their decision and in no way undermines the Independence argument.
Now off to bed before another stunning Amalfi day…
Jim Sillars has said he would go from Yes in 2014 to No now if it meant rejoining the EU for example (Yes in 2014 also meant leaving an EU member state which no longer applies)
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15138800.sillars-wont-vote-yes-second-referendum-means-return-eu/
Anyway you clearly don't consider these things like self determination are of any importance given you voted Remain and believe we should send in the tanks if the Scots disagree with you.
I believe we are better and stronger together in an increasingly global world yes.
However I did respect the Brexit vote, although I opposed leaving with no EU trade deal which we have avoided
Unless that is you think the phrase 'bare faced liars' isn't such.
This is the nature of predictions - the more extreme ones are those that are remembered.
And I'll point out a prediction of 150k cases per day was in the range of what was being publicly talked about on that same day:
Covid cases could hit 200,000 a day in the UK this year and cause “major disruption” to the NHS, according to the scientist whose initial modelling helped shape Britain’s coronavirus lockdown strategy.
Prof Neil Ferguson said it was “almost inevitable” that Monday’s final phase of unlocking would bring on 100,000 daily cases, with about 1,000 hospitalisations – despite roughly half the UK being fully vaccinated. He added that he could foresee a situation in which the case rate expands to twice the size.
“The real question is do we get to double that – or even higher,” he told BBC One’s Andrew Marr Show on Sunday,. “And that’s where the crystal ball starts to fail. I mean, we could get to 2,000 hospitalisations a day, 200,000 cases a day – but it’s much less certain.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/18/uk-covid-cases-could-hit-200000-a-day-says-neil-ferguson-scientist-behind-lockdown-strategy-england
So do you think that Professor Neil Ferguson was 'taking the piss' with his mistake not being 'outlandish enough' ?
England will be entering “uncharted territory” in its wholesale scrapping of Covid lockdown rules and infection numbers could easily rise above 100,000 a day over the summer, the health secretary has said.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/06/covid-cases-rise-above-100000-a-day-sajid-javid-concedes-england
ETA: Sec. 10 of the Elections Bill currently awaiting second reading in the Commons.
I think they would have canned HS2 were it not too far advanced when Covid came. Its logical to bin HS2b now, before the point of no return is reached.
A tunnel to Ireland is at least 10 - 15 years away from that sort of point, in the mean time its mostly just PR events and a bung or two to their favourite consultancies for some feasibility studies. Why cancel it until its really obvious it's not going to happen? Also in ten years time it's pretty much guaranteed to be someone else's problem - much better to leave this particular unexploded bomb for someone else to defuse.
Going back to HS2, I think the idea it's popular in the red wall is a London bubble myth.
Notherners mostly drive, quite es small percentage use the train and even fewer regularly travel long distance by train.
My town is 20 minutes from a station on the WCML, and its under 3hours to London. We've already suffered rampant house price inflation,especially of the larger/nicer houses as people figured they could move out of London and get back to the office a couple of days a week. This isn't a trend the locals wish to continue - rich southerners are better staying in the south, rather than turning more of the country into London commuter belt.
Almost no one in the north will benefit from HS2, its just another tool to suck everything closer to London and most northerners despise London and all its works. So cancel away - we want to pay less tax, not have it wasted on white elephants. Or if they really must spend it, they could fix some of the more appalling bits of the road network in the north - that might actually be useful for us northerners.
https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/3258244/#Comment_3258244