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  • FenmanFenman Posts: 1,047

    UK’s largest chip plant to be acquired by Chinese-owned firm Nexperia amid global semiconductor shortage

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/02/uks-largest-chip-plant-set-to-be-acquired-by-chinese-owned-nexperia.html

    I'll have a number 7 and a number 23 please.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited July 2021
    It would be interesting to see how England respond to going a goal down tonight - it hasn't happened yet in the tournament and that has made it easier to be a defensive side. Coming back to qualify would be useful practice for the better sides in the Semi & Final
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,309

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    I'm surprised Independent SAGE haven't gone big on this.

    Patients report 13-hour wait for A&E at North Manchester hospital amid claims people were queuing up outside
    'Something has gone drastically wrong here'

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/patients-report-13-hour-wait-20957750

    My view is that it'll take five years to recover for every one year of Covid measures; that applies to both health and education.

    So this will affect most of the 2020s IMHO.
    and millions of lives will be badly scarred as a result of allowing this to be the case.
    Those aged 18-24 have paid the highest price. Your best years, in many ways, certainly some of the most important years for crucial socialization and education - and sex and love - and you were locked at home to protect the old and the fat

    It is amazing they didn’t kick off a Revolution. We owe them
    What they will actually get is higher taxes to prop up health and social care for the old and the fat. Plus ça change.
    If they have no jobs, or minimum wage only, will they be paying taxes?
    No, but their benefits will doubtless be frozen. Gold plating only applies to pensions.
    I’m nowhere near pension age but the idea our pension, which is tiny compared to other comparable european nations, is gold plated is for the birds.
    Some people are just deluded, my state pension is £720 a month , more like tin plated than gold. That for 50 years contributions. Luckily it is just pocket money for me or I would be in some state.
    Why are you complaining if it's just "pocket money"?

    Feel free not to take it if you'd prefer the money go to people who need it more.
    Who is complaining , I merely stated that the person who said state pensions were gold plated is deluded.
    I paid for it for 50 years so you can Feel free to F*** right off, when you get there Feel free to F*** right off some more and when you arrive back where you started Feel free to F*** right off again.
  • mickydroymickydroy Posts: 316
    malcolmg said:

    Foxy said:

    I'm surprised Independent SAGE haven't gone big on this.

    Patients report 13-hour wait for A&E at North Manchester hospital amid claims people were queuing up outside
    'Something has gone drastically wrong here'

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/patients-report-13-hour-wait-20957750

    Waits at Leicester ED are worse than I have known, as are waiting lists. I don't think the public have realised how shattered NHS services are. Normal is a long way off.
    People best hope to not get ill over next 4-5 years for sure.
    This is the real scandal in this country, waiting lists are unbelievable, I have been waiting for 2 years for a knee replacement, I have been told by a senior member of staff at my local hospital, that they dont have enough, Doctors or Nurses, and that the the NHS is not fit for purpose, as John Major said dont trust the liar, and his cronies with the NHS, they dont believe in it. Worth remembering when labour left office you were guaranteed to have an operation within 18 weeks, what is happening now is a scandal
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    I'm surprised Independent SAGE haven't gone big on this.

    Patients report 13-hour wait for A&E at North Manchester hospital amid claims people were queuing up outside
    'Something has gone drastically wrong here'

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/patients-report-13-hour-wait-20957750

    My view is that it'll take five years to recover for every one year of Covid measures; that applies to both health and education.

    So this will affect most of the 2020s IMHO.
    and millions of lives will be badly scarred as a result of allowing this to be the case.
    Those aged 18-24 have paid the highest price. Your best years, in many ways, certainly some of the most important years for crucial socialization and education - and sex and love - and you were locked at home to protect the old and the fat

    It is amazing they didn’t kick off a Revolution. We owe them
    What they will actually get is higher taxes to prop up health and social care for the old and the fat. Plus ça change.
    If they have no jobs, or minimum wage only, will they be paying taxes?
    No, but their benefits will doubtless be frozen. Gold plating only applies to pensions.
    I’m nowhere near pension age but the idea our pension, which is tiny compared to other comparable european nations, is gold plated is for the birds.
    Some people are just deluded, my state pension is £720 a month , more like tin plated than gold. That for 50 years contributions. Luckily it is just pocket money for me or I would be in some state.
    Why are you complaining if it's just "pocket money"?

    Feel free not to take it if you'd prefer the money go to people who need it more.
    Who is complaining , I merely stated that the person who said state pensions were gold plated is deluded.
    I paid for it for 50 years so you can Feel free to F*** right off, when you get there Feel free to F*** right off some more and when you arrive back where you started Feel free to F*** right off again.
    You paid for your grandparent's and parent's pensions for 50 years. Congrats.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,207
    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    I'm surprised Independent SAGE haven't gone big on this.

    Patients report 13-hour wait for A&E at North Manchester hospital amid claims people were queuing up outside
    'Something has gone drastically wrong here'

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/patients-report-13-hour-wait-20957750

    My view is that it'll take five years to recover for every one year of Covid measures; that applies to both health and education.

    So this will affect most of the 2020s IMHO.
    and millions of lives will be badly scarred as a result of allowing this to be the case.
    Those aged 18-24 have paid the highest price. Your best years, in many ways, certainly some of the most important years for crucial socialization and education - and sex and love - and you were locked at home to protect the old and the fat

    It is amazing they didn’t kick off a Revolution. We owe them
    What they will actually get is higher taxes to prop up health and social care for the old and the fat. Plus ça change.
    If they have no jobs, or minimum wage only, will they be paying taxes?
    No, but their benefits will doubtless be frozen. Gold plating only applies to pensions.
    I’m nowhere near pension age but the idea our pension, which is tiny compared to other comparable european nations, is gold plated is for the birds.
    Unless you’re public sector.

    Which I am of course, so I’d probably be better off keeping quiet.

    That said the TPS is descending into chaos at the moment and will probably be a target for further reform in the near future.
    TPS ?

    Any changes need to be carefully thought through. I believe the previous changes have fallen foul of discrimination laws.
    Teachers’ Pension Scheme.

    You are right about the discrimination laws, in a recent ruling (McCloud/Sargeant vs R) changes were found to be discriminatory.

    However, I was thinking about funding them. A recent 40% hike in er contributions coupled with major recent financial losses due to the loss of overseas students meant that large numbers of private schools have withdrawn from the TPS. This has added to funding pressures and means that a further hike in contributions, or further reforms, will be needed. This is compounded by the fact the government is phasing out the additional support they made available to schools to pay the extra contributions when the rises were first brought in, leaving many with literally impossible choices about how to fund pensions.

    No plausible solution will be popular. When I first read about this - and I’ve spent a lot of time working with Union members and staff on the issue - my immediate instinct was the Government were looking for an excuse to put the pension through Lifeboat. It would be horrendously complicated and probably illegal, but (a) I wouldn’t put it past them and (b) I honestly can’t make sense of their actions otherwise.
    And, as with other pots (and I think TPS and USS are more solidly funded than many), if there isn't enough cash in the system, there isn't enough cash in the system.

    Pensions are expensive things to do... I don't think most of us have clocked just how expensive.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,350

    Foxy said:

    malcolmg said:

    Foxy said:

    I'm surprised Independent SAGE haven't gone big on this.

    Patients report 13-hour wait for A&E at North Manchester hospital amid claims people were queuing up outside
    'Something has gone drastically wrong here'

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/patients-report-13-hour-wait-20957750

    Waits at Leicester ED are worse than I have known, as are waiting lists. I don't think the public have realised how shattered NHS services are. Normal is a long way off.
    People best hope to not get ill over next 4-5 years for sure.
    I know.

    Mrs Foxy and I are getting private health insurance for the first time in our lives. Previously we have only been NHS, and never had to wait long.
    Having said that...

    I reported a lump to my GP's surgery on 21st June via their online consultation site. I was called back the same day and referred to my local hospital (Salisbury) under the two week referral system for a potential cancer check. Saw the specialist on Thursday 1st July.

    Thankfully the lump is benign. Nevertheless I have been offered surgery to remove it which the doctor said to expect within 2-4 weeks.

    I cannot speak highly enough of the NHS.
    It’s been bloody difficult, but I’ve also had two appointments in quick succession with various nursing staff over what seems to be a stress related heart problem.

    And, fair play, the last one said lots of lovely things about how hard all her son’s teachers were working and had written to Gavin Williamson (my GP is in south Staffs) to tell him he was, in her words, a c***.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454
    mickydroy said:

    malcolmg said:

    Foxy said:

    I'm surprised Independent SAGE haven't gone big on this.

    Patients report 13-hour wait for A&E at North Manchester hospital amid claims people were queuing up outside
    'Something has gone drastically wrong here'

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/patients-report-13-hour-wait-20957750

    Waits at Leicester ED are worse than I have known, as are waiting lists. I don't think the public have realised how shattered NHS services are. Normal is a long way off.
    People best hope to not get ill over next 4-5 years for sure.
    This is the real scandal in this country, waiting lists are unbelievable, I have been waiting for 2 years for a knee replacement, I have been told by a senior member of staff at my local hospital, that they dont have enough, Doctors or Nurses, and that the the NHS is not fit for purpose, as John Major said dont trust the liar, and his cronies with the NHS, they dont believe in it. Worth remembering when labour left office you were guaranteed to have an operation within 18 weeks, what is happening now is a scandal
    The Labour GE campaign writes itself...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,350
    edited July 2021

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    I'm surprised Independent SAGE haven't gone big on this.

    Patients report 13-hour wait for A&E at North Manchester hospital amid claims people were queuing up outside
    'Something has gone drastically wrong here'

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/patients-report-13-hour-wait-20957750

    My view is that it'll take five years to recover for every one year of Covid measures; that applies to both health and education.

    So this will affect most of the 2020s IMHO.
    and millions of lives will be badly scarred as a result of allowing this to be the case.
    Those aged 18-24 have paid the highest price. Your best years, in many ways, certainly some of the most important years for crucial socialization and education - and sex and love - and you were locked at home to protect the old and the fat

    It is amazing they didn’t kick off a Revolution. We owe them
    What they will actually get is higher taxes to prop up health and social care for the old and the fat. Plus ça change.
    If they have no jobs, or minimum wage only, will they be paying taxes?
    No, but their benefits will doubtless be frozen. Gold plating only applies to pensions.
    I’m nowhere near pension age but the idea our pension, which is tiny compared to other comparable european nations, is gold plated is for the birds.
    Unless you’re public sector.

    Which I am of course, so I’d probably be better off keeping quiet.

    That said the TPS is descending into chaos at the moment and will probably be a target for further reform in the near future.
    TPS ?

    Any changes need to be carefully thought through. I believe the previous changes have fallen foul of discrimination laws.
    Teachers’ Pension Scheme.

    You are right about the discrimination laws, in a recent ruling (McCloud/Sargeant vs R) changes were found to be discriminatory.

    However, I was thinking about funding them. A recent 40% hike in er contributions coupled with major recent financial losses due to the loss of overseas students meant that large numbers of private schools have withdrawn from the TPS. This has added to funding pressures and means that a further hike in contributions, or further reforms, will be needed. This is compounded by the fact the government is phasing out the additional support they made available to schools to pay the extra contributions when the rises were first brought in, leaving many with literally impossible choices about how to fund pensions.

    No plausible solution will be popular. When I first read about this - and I’ve spent a lot of time working with Union members and staff on the issue - my immediate instinct was the Government were looking for an excuse to put the pension through Lifeboat. It would be horrendously complicated and probably illegal, but (a) I wouldn’t put it past them and (b) I honestly can’t make sense of their actions otherwise.
    And, as with other pots (and I think TPS and USS are more solidly funded than many), if there isn't enough cash in the system, there isn't enough cash in the system.

    Pensions are expensive things to do... I don't think most of us have clocked just how expensive.
    One of the reasons I am considering quitting teaching is because the pension is just about the only meaningful perk left. If it’s under threat...

    If it wasn’t for that, I would actually be better off concentrating on my tutoring and consultancy business, which if I went for it full time would be twice the money for about a thirtieth of the hassle.

    I wonder how many maths teachers would make the same calculation when the Chinese offer them £150 per hour to coach them for international A-levels?
  • FenmanFenman Posts: 1,047

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    I'm surprised Independent SAGE haven't gone big on this.

    Patients report 13-hour wait for A&E at North Manchester hospital amid claims people were queuing up outside
    'Something has gone drastically wrong here'

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/patients-report-13-hour-wait-20957750

    My view is that it'll take five years to recover for every one year of Covid measures; that applies to both health and education.

    So this will affect most of the 2020s IMHO.
    and millions of lives will be badly scarred as a result of allowing this to be the case.
    Those aged 18-24 have paid the highest price. Your best years, in many ways, certainly some of the most important years for crucial socialization and education - and sex and love - and you were locked at home to protect the old and the fat

    It is amazing they didn’t kick off a Revolution. We owe them
    What they will actually get is higher taxes to prop up health and social care for the old and the fat. Plus ça change.
    If they have no jobs, or minimum wage only, will they be paying taxes?
    No, but their benefits will doubtless be frozen. Gold plating only applies to pensions.
    I’m nowhere near pension age but the idea our pension, which is tiny compared to other comparable european nations, is gold plated is for the birds.
    Some people are just deluded, my state pension is £720 a month , more like tin plated than gold. That for 50 years contributions. Luckily it is just pocket money for me or I would be in some state.
    Malcolm, since you are a pensioner, you must vote Tory. Therefore the Tory government bribe for you to vote Tory of billions of pounds extorted from young non-Tory voters is an act of evil.

    Think of all those evil pensioners (like you) cackling over their vast piles of cash every month, lighting cigars the size of space rockets with £50 notes..... How can you not hate yourself?
    I find the state pension useful. It covers the taxes I have to pay to the state.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454
    What is a national scandal is that National Insurance is just a pyramid scheme. Boomers have had 50 years to turn it into an investment scheme and they failed to do so.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,810
    England v. Ukraine:

    It would be a Crimea to miss it!
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,884
    IshmaelZ said:

    Roger said:

    Doesn't it worry the Tories that Dominic Cummings announced (in almost as many words ) that he was on a vendetta to get rid of Hancock and within a month Hancock was out? And following that he made it clear Johnson in now in his sights? Shouldn't that be more worrying than a rejuvenated Starmer?

    As I said a a couple of weeks ago Cummings is Anton Chigurth.

    He gets his man.

    How on earth did you know his surname?

    Not that you do, it's Chigurh. But still.

    Hartlepool = peak Boris.
    Film is my interest. How did you?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,585

    England v. Ukraine:

    It would be a Crimea to miss it!

    Will England steppe up?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,541
    Congratulations to Ashleigh Barty.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,402
    Bet you they're all flabby, middle-aged and rather ugly.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,203
    malcolmg said:

    Foxy said:

    malcolmg said:

    Foxy said:

    I'm surprised Independent SAGE haven't gone big on this.

    Patients report 13-hour wait for A&E at North Manchester hospital amid claims people were queuing up outside
    'Something has gone drastically wrong here'

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/patients-report-13-hour-wait-20957750

    Waits at Leicester ED are worse than I have known, as are waiting lists. I don't think the public have realised how shattered NHS services are. Normal is a long way off.
    People best hope to not get ill over next 4-5 years for sure.
    I know.

    Mrs Foxy and I are getting private health insurance for the first time in our lives. Previously we have only been NHS, and never had to wait long.
    I have it as well and last year was glad of it as my wife had heart issues due to her COP / Whatever it was and she would have waited a long time , they said they tried to see people in 12 weeks but don't guarantee etc. She was seen perivately in a day with a top guy who sorted her out , appointments, scans , etc were not an issue.
    Cannot complain much about her treatment before that in NHS , few errors excluded but waiting times if you are not pegging out are pretty bad.
    I have used both private and NHS consultants. The private consultants say the same thing repeatedly - they started doing private practise out of frustrations with the National Health Prevention Service. It seemed to them that the system was designed to slow down and make it harder to deliver care.

    Contrast that with the private hospital on Cromwell Road I went to, with the elderly rich of Kuwait* in the waiting room. They apologised to me because, when they had finished all the tests, the X-ray and an MRI, it had taken from 6pm to 7:30pm. The apology was because the consultant needed 2 hours to review the data. So I need to come back. Next day. At 10am, I saw him and he had read everything. In detail....

    *I actually recognised a couple of big wheels from my days in the oil industry. Not sure why it was all Kuwaiti there, but it was....
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    I'm surprised Independent SAGE haven't gone big on this.

    Patients report 13-hour wait for A&E at North Manchester hospital amid claims people were queuing up outside
    'Something has gone drastically wrong here'

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/patients-report-13-hour-wait-20957750

    My view is that it'll take five years to recover for every one year of Covid measures; that applies to both health and education.

    So this will affect most of the 2020s IMHO.
    and millions of lives will be badly scarred as a result of allowing this to be the case.
    Those aged 18-24 have paid the highest price. Your best years, in many ways, certainly some of the most important years for crucial socialization and education - and sex and love - and you were locked at home to protect the old and the fat

    It is amazing they didn’t kick off a Revolution. We owe them
    What they will actually get is higher taxes to prop up health and social care for the old and the fat. Plus ça change.
    If they have no jobs, or minimum wage only, will they be paying taxes?
    No, but their benefits will doubtless be frozen. Gold plating only applies to pensions.
    I’m nowhere near pension age but the idea our pension, which is tiny compared to other comparable european nations, is gold plated is for the birds.
    Some people are just deluded, my state pension is £720 a month , more like tin plated than gold. That for 50 years contributions. Luckily it is just pocket money for me or I would be in some state.
    Why are you complaining if it's just "pocket money"?

    Feel free not to take it if you'd prefer the money go to people who need it more.
    Who is complaining , I merely stated that the person who said state pensions were gold plated is deluded.
    I paid for it for 50 years so you can Feel free to F*** right off, when you get there Feel free to F*** right off some more and when you arrive back where you started Feel free to F*** right off again.
    Is this what you were looking for?

    image
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615

    Foxy said:

    malcolmg said:

    Foxy said:

    I'm surprised Independent SAGE haven't gone big on this.

    Patients report 13-hour wait for A&E at North Manchester hospital amid claims people were queuing up outside
    'Something has gone drastically wrong here'

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/patients-report-13-hour-wait-20957750

    Waits at Leicester ED are worse than I have known, as are waiting lists. I don't think the public have realised how shattered NHS services are. Normal is a long way off.
    People best hope to not get ill over next 4-5 years for sure.
    I know.

    Mrs Foxy and I are getting private health insurance for the first time in our lives. Previously we have only been NHS, and never had to wait long.
    Having said that...

    I reported a lump to my GP's surgery on 21st June via their online consultation site. I was called back the same day and referred to my local hospital (Salisbury) under the two week referral system for a potential cancer check. Saw the specialist on Thursday 1st July.

    Thankfully the lump is benign. Nevertheless I have been offered surgery to remove it which the doctor said to expect within 2-4 weeks.

    I cannot speak highly enough of the NHS.
    Good to hear.

    I think it very patchy, but 2 week referrals for suspect cancer getting priority. Though things like bowel screening (I was due last year) have been abandoned it seems.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454
    Get in 😂
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,541
    Amazing. 3 minutes.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,810
    England score within 3 mins!
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Roger said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Roger said:

    Doesn't it worry the Tories that Dominic Cummings announced (in almost as many words ) that he was on a vendetta to get rid of Hancock and within a month Hancock was out? And following that he made it clear Johnson in now in his sights? Shouldn't that be more worrying than a rejuvenated Starmer?

    As I said a a couple of weeks ago Cummings is Anton Chigurth.

    He gets his man.

    How on earth did you know his surname?

    Not that you do, it's Chigurh. But still.

    Hartlepool = peak Boris.
    Film is my interest. How did you?
    Gurgled it.

    Seen that film 3 times, mind. Love it.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454
    Now's the time to bet on Ukraine
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,576
    That works! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿1-0🇺🇦
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,546

    UK’s largest chip plant to be acquired by Chinese-owned firm Nexperia amid global semiconductor shortage

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/02/uks-largest-chip-plant-set-to-be-acquired-by-chinese-owned-nexperia.html

    £63 million is nothing for a fab. Absolutely nothing. I therefore guess that it uses a very old process, far from the cutting edge. Which is fine, as there's still a hefty demand for older processes.

    However, when they say '200mm' chips, I assume they mean 20 cm wafers, and not a 200mm process node. As that would lead to some (ahem) very large chips ...

    Okay, their website says they cater for down to a 0.18µm process. That's positively ancient, dating back over 20 years. It is 180nanometres, and the cutting edge for digital is now 5, 7 or 10 nanometres. Mrs J is currently on a power chip, which uses 130nm - and RF/power circuitry is always well behind the cutting edge of digital circuits.

    This is something people forget: they get all hung up on the wonders of the latest processes, without realising the vast majority of chips are made with tech decades older. If the UK government invests in new fabs, we need to invest in ten-year old processes than the current cutting edge.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615
    mickydroy said:

    malcolmg said:

    Foxy said:

    I'm surprised Independent SAGE haven't gone big on this.

    Patients report 13-hour wait for A&E at North Manchester hospital amid claims people were queuing up outside
    'Something has gone drastically wrong here'

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/patients-report-13-hour-wait-20957750

    Waits at Leicester ED are worse than I have known, as are waiting lists. I don't think the public have realised how shattered NHS services are. Normal is a long way off.
    People best hope to not get ill over next 4-5 years for sure.
    This is the real scandal in this country, waiting lists are unbelievable, I have been waiting for 2 years for a knee replacement, I have been told by a senior member of staff at my local hospital, that they dont have enough, Doctors or Nurses, and that the the NHS is not fit for purpose, as John Major said dont trust the liar, and his cronies with the NHS, they dont believe in it. Worth remembering when labour left office you were guaranteed to have an operation within 18 weeks, what is happening now is a scandal
    Yes, waiting lists were growing well before covid, but they are much longer now. I hate to think what they are like in Wales or NI which were much longer even before.

    My Trust is cancelling operating lists over the summer because of staff shortages. A mixture of staff having left, sick and isolating.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited July 2021
    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    malcolmg said:

    Foxy said:

    I'm surprised Independent SAGE haven't gone big on this.

    Patients report 13-hour wait for A&E at North Manchester hospital amid claims people were queuing up outside
    'Something has gone drastically wrong here'

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/patients-report-13-hour-wait-20957750

    Waits at Leicester ED are worse than I have known, as are waiting lists. I don't think the public have realised how shattered NHS services are. Normal is a long way off.
    People best hope to not get ill over next 4-5 years for sure.
    I know.

    Mrs Foxy and I are getting private health insurance for the first time in our lives. Previously we have only been NHS, and never had to wait long.
    Having said that...

    I reported a lump to my GP's surgery on 21st June via their online consultation site. I was called back the same day and referred to my local hospital (Salisbury) under the two week referral system for a potential cancer check. Saw the specialist on Thursday 1st July.

    Thankfully the lump is benign. Nevertheless I have been offered surgery to remove it which the doctor said to expect within 2-4 weeks.

    I cannot speak highly enough of the NHS.
    It’s been bloody difficult, but I’ve also had two appointments in quick succession with various nursing staff over what seems to be a stress related heart problem.

    And, fair play, the last one said lots of lovely things about how hard all her son’s teachers were working and had written to Gavin Williamson (my GP is in south Staffs) to tell him he was, in her words, a c***.
    I had a mole checked out in February and the urgency with which I was offered a hospital appointment almost killed me!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,231
    Cmooooooonnnnn
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited July 2021
    If we win the headlines must be some kind of "You-Kane" play on words?

    If we were to lose I thought "The Pain v Ukraine falls mainly on the Kane"
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,884

    Roger said:

    Doesn't it worry the Tories that Dominic Cummings announced (in almost as many words ) that he was on a vendetta to get rid of Hancock and within a month Hancock was out? And following that he made it clear Johnson in now in his sights? Shouldn't that be more worrying than a rejuvenated Starmer?

    As I said a a couple of weeks ago Cummings is Anton Chigurth.

    He gets his man.

    Have we learnt who repositioned that camera yet? If it was one of Dom's agents, deep in the heart of Whitehall, then what else have they been gathering?
    I think we'll have to wait for a while after the fat one is dumped before we get to the bottom of it but I'm surprised the John Le Carre angle hasn't been more talked about
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615

    England score within 3 mins!

    Beautiful ball in from Sterling
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,203

    What is a national scandal is that National Insurance is just a pyramid scheme. Boomers have had 50 years to turn it into an investment scheme and they failed to do so.

    One of the arguments used for mass immigration was that this would head off the need to convert state pension schemes and other benefits into contributory pots.

    The later idea was very common in the early 90s - ageing population etc etc.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,203
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Doesn't it worry the Tories that Dominic Cummings announced (in almost as many words ) that he was on a vendetta to get rid of Hancock and within a month Hancock was out? And following that he made it clear Johnson in now in his sights? Shouldn't that be more worrying than a rejuvenated Starmer?

    As I said a a couple of weeks ago Cummings is Anton Chigurth.

    He gets his man.

    Have we learnt who repositioned that camera yet? If it was one of Dom's agents, deep in the heart of Whitehall, then what else have they been gathering?
    I think we'll have to wait for a while after the fat one is dumped before we get to the bottom of it but I'm surprised the John Le Carre angle hasn't been more talked about
    If it had been a microphone wedged behind a cistern in the men's toilets....
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    Foxy said:

    England score within 3 mins!

    Beautiful ball in from Sterling
    Bodes well for citeh next season.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,118

    Bet you they're all flabby, middle-aged and rather ugly.
    Lol.

    Beach Party planned for today.

    in Grantham.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,231
    We’re letting them back into this. They were shell shocked and we could have grabbed another. Grr
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615

    Foxy said:

    England score within 3 mins!

    Beautiful ball in from Sterling
    Bodes well for citeh next season.
    I think Sterling looks quite fresh. Not having played much this season has benefited his England game.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,397
    MattW said:

    Bet you they're all flabby, middle-aged and rather ugly.
    Lol.

    Beach Party planned for today.

    in Grantham.
    Margaret Thatcher! Isaac Newton!
    Your ladies took a hell of a pounding!
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454
    I can see there being a red card in this game
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615

    I can see there being a red card in this game

    Looks pretty clean so far.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615
    England need a second. Defending a one goal lead for 90 min is very wearing. One slip up...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,231
    Foxy said:

    England need a second. Defending a one goal lead for 90 min is very wearing. One slip up...

    Before half time please
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    What is a national scandal is that National Insurance is just a pyramid scheme. Boomers have had 50 years to turn it into an investment scheme and they failed to do so.

    One of the arguments used for mass immigration was that this would head off the need to convert state pension schemes and other benefits into contributory pots.

    The later idea was very common in the early 90s - ageing population etc etc.
    Ponzi pensions. Quite.
  • GnudGnud Posts: 298
    edited July 2021
    Roger said:

    Doesn't it worry the Tories that Dominic Cummings announced (in almost as many words ) that he was on a vendetta to get rid of Hancock and within a month Hancock was out? And following that he made it clear Johnson in now in his sights? Shouldn't that be more worrying than a rejuvenated Starmer?

    As I said a a couple of weeks ago Cummings is Anton Chigurth.

    He gets his man.

    If it's true of anybody, though, Cummings has got it coming to him. [*]

    He's also made it clear - just to throw this in - that he's into the idea of advising Labour how to win the next general election.

    Note
    (*) That is not in any way a threat or an ill wish of any kind. It's a statement about the nature of the universe.
  • malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    I'm surprised Independent SAGE haven't gone big on this.

    Patients report 13-hour wait for A&E at North Manchester hospital amid claims people were queuing up outside
    'Something has gone drastically wrong here'

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/patients-report-13-hour-wait-20957750

    My view is that it'll take five years to recover for every one year of Covid measures; that applies to both health and education.

    So this will affect most of the 2020s IMHO.
    and millions of lives will be badly scarred as a result of allowing this to be the case.
    Those aged 18-24 have paid the highest price. Your best years, in many ways, certainly some of the most important years for crucial socialization and education - and sex and love - and you were locked at home to protect the old and the fat

    It is amazing they didn’t kick off a Revolution. We owe them
    What they will actually get is higher taxes to prop up health and social care for the old and the fat. Plus ça change.
    If they have no jobs, or minimum wage only, will they be paying taxes?
    No, but their benefits will doubtless be frozen. Gold plating only applies to pensions.
    I’m nowhere near pension age but the idea our pension, which is tiny compared to other comparable european nations, is gold plated is for the birds.
    Some people are just deluded, my state pension is £720 a month , more like tin plated than gold. That for 50 years contributions. Luckily it is just pocket money for me or I would be in some state.
    Why are you complaining if it's just "pocket money"?

    Feel free not to take it if you'd prefer the money go to people who need it more.
    Who is complaining , I merely stated that the person who said state pensions were gold plated is deluded.
    I paid for it for 50 years so you can Feel free to F*** right off, when you get there Feel free to F*** right off some more and when you arrive back where you started Feel free to F*** right off again.
    Best f*****g post ever.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615
    The Ukraine girls really knock me out...

    But the blokes are pretty hideous.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,035

    UK’s largest chip plant to be acquired by Chinese-owned firm Nexperia amid global semiconductor shortage

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/02/uks-largest-chip-plant-set-to-be-acquired-by-chinese-owned-nexperia.html

    £63 million is nothing for a fab. Absolutely nothing. I therefore guess that it uses a very old process, far from the cutting edge. Which is fine, as there's still a hefty demand for older processes.

    However, when they say '200mm' chips, I assume they mean 20 cm wafers, and not a 200mm process node. As that would lead to some (ahem) very large chips ...

    Okay, their website says they cater for down to a 0.18µm process. That's positively ancient, dating back over 20 years. It is 180nanometres, and the cutting edge for digital is now 5, 7 or 10 nanometres. Mrs J is currently on a power chip, which uses 130nm - and RF/power circuitry is always well behind the cutting edge of digital circuits.

    This is something people forget: they get all hung up on the wonders of the latest processes, without realising the vast majority of chips are made with tech decades older. If the UK government invests in new fabs, we need to invest in ten-year old processes than the current cutting edge.
    A lot of their business is in compound semiconductors, though (GaN, SiC, etc), rather than silicon, so feature size is not necessarily so important.
  • GnudGnud Posts: 298
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    I'm surprised Independent SAGE haven't gone big on this.

    Patients report 13-hour wait for A&E at North Manchester hospital amid claims people were queuing up outside
    'Something has gone drastically wrong here'

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/patients-report-13-hour-wait-20957750

    My view is that it'll take five years to recover for every one year of Covid measures; that applies to both health and education.

    So this will affect most of the 2020s IMHO.
    and millions of lives will be badly scarred as a result of allowing this to be the case.
    Those aged 18-24 have paid the highest price. Your best years, in many ways, certainly some of the most important years for crucial socialization and education - and sex and love - and you were locked at home to protect the old and the fat

    It is amazing they didn’t kick off a Revolution. We owe them
    What they will actually get is higher taxes to prop up health and social care for the old and the fat. Plus ça change.
    If they have no jobs, or minimum wage only, will they be paying taxes?
    No, but their benefits will doubtless be frozen. Gold plating only applies to pensions.
    I’m nowhere near pension age but the idea our pension, which is tiny compared to other comparable european nations, is gold plated is for the birds.
    Some people are just deluded, my state pension is £720 a month , more like tin plated than gold. That for 50 years contributions. Luckily it is just pocket money for me or I would be in some state.
    Why are you complaining if it's just "pocket money"?

    Feel free not to take it if you'd prefer the money go to people who need it more.
    Who is complaining , I merely stated that the person who said state pensions were gold plated is deluded.
    I paid for it for 50 years so you can Feel free to F*** right off, when you get there Feel free to F*** right off some more and when you arrive back where you started Feel free to F*** right off again.
    Are you annoyed that England scored a goal or something?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,576
    edited July 2021
    Foxy said:

    The Ukraine girls really knock me out...

    But the blokes are pretty hideous.

    Why do you think lovely Ukranian girls end up marrying average-looking British guys? 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇺🇦
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454
    I hate when linesmen guess as to whether it's offside or not
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,541

    I can see there being a red card in this game

    True.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,397
    Pickford exists in a state of permanent radgitation.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454
    dixiedean said:

    Pickford exists in a state of permanent radgitation.

    He is a mackem
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,541
    edited July 2021
    Both Teams To Score:

    Yes 2.72 / 2.92
    No 1.52 / 1.58

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/football/market/1.184912598
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    edited July 2021
    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    The Ukraine girls really knock me out...

    But the blokes are pretty hideous.

    Why do you think lovely Ukranian girls end up marrying average-looking British guys? 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇺🇦
    Mail order brides?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,350
    Foxy said:

    The Ukraine girls really knock me out...

    But the blokes are pretty hideous.

    When you put it that way, it sounds as though you made unwelcome suggestions to the girls...
  • GnudGnud Posts: 298
    edited July 2021
    Most other countries don't have "waiting lists", just as this country doesn't have them for example at hairdressers' or car repair garages. An appointment is simply made in an available slot when it's decided you're going to get such-and-such an examination, consultation, or treatment. Nor is the notion of "an appointment" so reified outside of Britain. (See terms such as "give you an appointment" - as though they were actually giving you something.) The whole reason that waiting lists exist is because so many surgeons and other specialists keep two lists - one state, one private. They like to keep more slack on the private one, and there's also the consideration of course that if the state service were tip-top then nobody would go private. The longer the state waiting lists, the more incentive for going private. It is part of the ESSENCE of the health system in Britain that it is DUAL. This has been so ever since the NHS was created. (It's why the BMA stopped its opposition to the NHS.) If the NHS were not part of a dual system it would look completely different.

    A similar point could be made about the school system.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,242
    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    The Ukraine girls really knock me out...

    But the blokes are pretty hideous.

    Why do you think lovely Ukranian girls end up marrying average-looking British guys? 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇺🇦
    They leave the wets behind.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,402
    Foxy said:

    The Ukraine girls really knock me out...

    But the blokes are pretty hideous.

    That's Eastern Europe all over.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    The Ukraine girls really knock me out...

    But the blokes are pretty hideous.

    Why do you think lovely Ukranian girls end up marrying average-looking British guys? 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇺🇦
    https://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=1&From=UAH&To=GBP
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615
    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    The Ukraine girls really knock me out...

    But the blokes are pretty hideous.

    When you put it that way, it sounds as though you made unwelcome suggestions to the girls...
    You don't know how lucky you are boys, back in the USSR...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,169
    England looking very good. Denmark will be a stiffer test mind.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,541
    Leon said:

    Emma Raducanu is

    Well, she is, isn’t she?

    No point denying it

    Fwwooooo

    She looks a bit like Lara Croft.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited July 2021
    After backing England to win the first half, I’ve just laid England outright @2.98

    Sorry, I think this is as good as it gets for England.

    Hope I’m wrong
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    why are the odds on Ukraine so long? They went up to 40 at one point.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615
    Gnud said:

    Most other countries don't have "waiting lists", just as this country doesn't have them for example at hairdressers' or car repair garages. An appointment is simply made in an available slot when it's decided you're going to get such-and-such an examination, consultation, or treatment. Nor is the notion of "an appointment" so reified outside of Britain. (See terms such as "give you an appointment" - as though they were actually giving you something.) The whole reason that waiting lists exist is because so many surgeons and other specialists keep two lists - one state, one private. They like to keep more slack on the private one, and there's also the consideration of course that if the state service were tip-top then nobody would go private. The longer the state waiting lists, the more incentive for going private. It is part of the ESSENCE of the health system in Britain that it is DUAL. This has been so ever since the NHS was created. (It's why the BMA stopped its opposition to the NHS.) If the NHS were not part of a dual system it would look completely different.

    A similar point could be made about the school system.

    Why do you think that waiting lists are still there in specialities such as paediatrics, psychiatry or in regions where private practice barely happens?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,231
    ping said:

    After backing England to win the first half, I’ve just laid England outright @2.98

    Sorry, I think this is as good as it gets for England.

    Hope I’m wrong

    You think we lose this match?!
  • ridaligoridaligo Posts: 174

    UK’s largest chip plant to be acquired by Chinese-owned firm Nexperia amid global semiconductor shortage

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/02/uks-largest-chip-plant-set-to-be-acquired-by-chinese-owned-nexperia.html

    £63 million is nothing for a fab. Absolutely nothing. I therefore guess that it uses a very old process, far from the cutting edge. Which is fine, as there's still a hefty demand for older processes.

    However, when they say '200mm' chips, I assume they mean 20 cm wafers, and not a 200mm process node. As that would lead to some (ahem) very large chips ...

    Okay, their website says they cater for down to a 0.18µm process. That's positively ancient, dating back over 20 years. It is 180nanometres, and the cutting edge for digital is now 5, 7 or 10 nanometres. Mrs J is currently on a power chip, which uses 130nm - and RF/power circuitry is always well behind the cutting edge of digital circuits.

    This is something people forget: they get all hung up on the wonders of the latest processes, without realising the vast majority of chips are made with tech decades older. If the UK government invests in new fabs, we need to invest in ten-year old processes than the current cutting edge.
    it is a very, very old fab. I worked there as a device engineer 30+ years ago when it was INMOS. In those days it was 4 inch wafers and a 0.8 micron logic process. Over the years it has been bought and sold numerous times and converted to 5 inch then 6 inch and now 8 inch wafers. It's a very old clean room so it will not be able to be upgraded for 12 inch wafers or advanced process nodes. It has specialized more recently in analog processes. It's never going to be a leading edge logic fab; it's going to be used for power transistors etc that Nexperia (the old Philips / NXP discretes business) specializes in. £63 million sounds about right for a specialist legacy fab.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited July 2021
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  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,810
    Maguire!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,852
    darkage said:

    why are the odds on Ukraine so long? They went up to 40 at one point.

    England have yet to concede a goal in Euro 2020 and Ukraine does not look like changing that, and they'd need to score twice in just 45 minutes left in order to win (because this is 90 minutes betting).
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454
    That'll do nicely
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,576
    Get in there!!! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇺🇦
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,231
    Why am I still horribly nervous?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,852

    darkage said:

    why are the odds on Ukraine so long? They went up to 40 at one point.

    England have yet to concede a goal in Euro 2020 and Ukraine does not look like changing that, and they'd need to score twice in just 45 minutes left in order to win (because this is 90 minutes betting).
    Three times.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454
    Leon said:

    Why am I still horribly nervous?

    2 more please
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,392
    Leon said:

    Why am I still horribly nervous?

    Tradition
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Nice nerve steadier
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,609
    Leon said:

    Why am I still horribly nervous?

    Experience.
  • Nunu3Nunu3 Posts: 224
    Bbc Iplayer is about 2 mins delayed.
    I heard my neighbours cheering before I saw the goal
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Nunu3 said:

    Bbc Iplayer is about 2 mins delayed.
    I heard my neighbours cheering before I saw the goal

    My brother text me YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

    2 minutes later I saw the goal .....
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,231
    GLORIOUS
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,012
    Yesssss
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,810
    Kane!
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454
    It may just be coming home lads
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098
    It's just like watching Brazil.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615
    3 goals from the Harry's...
  • Cocky_cockneyCocky_cockney Posts: 760
    edited July 2021
    I think the Ukrainian women are the tallest in the world, are they not?

    Emma Raducanu is 18 so I'm not sure in public whether to acknowledge Sean's comment but, erm, yep.

    I happened to be courtside this week to watch 21 yr old 6'0 Elena Rybakina. She's gorgeous.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,397
    Three.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Leon said:

    Why am I still horribly nervous?

    Because its the hope that .......
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,950
    edited July 2021
    Hadn't realised a Tory party conference was coming up?
  • ridaligoridaligo Posts: 174
    Nigelb said:

    UK’s largest chip plant to be acquired by Chinese-owned firm Nexperia amid global semiconductor shortage

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/02/uks-largest-chip-plant-set-to-be-acquired-by-chinese-owned-nexperia.html

    £63 million is nothing for a fab. Absolutely nothing. I therefore guess that it uses a very old process, far from the cutting edge. Which is fine, as there's still a hefty demand for older processes.

    However, when they say '200mm' chips, I assume they mean 20 cm wafers, and not a 200mm process node. As that would lead to some (ahem) very large chips ...

    Okay, their website says they cater for down to a 0.18µm process. That's positively ancient, dating back over 20 years. It is 180nanometres, and the cutting edge for digital is now 5, 7 or 10 nanometres. Mrs J is currently on a power chip, which uses 130nm - and RF/power circuitry is always well behind the cutting edge of digital circuits.

    This is something people forget: they get all hung up on the wonders of the latest processes, without realising the vast majority of chips are made with tech decades older. If the UK government invests in new fabs, we need to invest in ten-year old processes than the current cutting edge.
    A lot of their business is in compound semiconductors, though (GaN, SiC, etc), rather than silicon, so feature size is not necessarily so important.
    Exactly. It's a specialist fab. There are quite a few of them dotted round the world that are very old but still useful for Analog / Mixed Signal / Compound Semis. They are usually fully depreciated so can be quite profitable in the specialist semis business. Definitively a useful (and cheap) asset for Nexperia to acquire (plus of course all the increasingly scarce specialist engineering talent that comes with it).
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    Not a bad start to the second half!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,576
    It is now!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,852
    Ukraine 1000
    England no offers
    Draw 190
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,810

    I think the Ukrainian women are the tallest in the world, are they not?

    Emma Raducanu is 18 so I'm not sure in public whether to acknowledge Sean's comment but, erm, yep.

    I happened to be courtside this week to watch 21 yr old 6'0 Elena Rybakina. She's gorgeous.

    Emma Raducanu was born in Canada to a Romanian dad and Chinese mum.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,609
    I cannot believe anyone doubted Gareth Southgate.

    Surely a Royal Dukedom is on its way?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,810

    I cannot believe anyone doubted Gareth Southgate.

    Surely a Royal Dukedom is on its way?

    A far cry from the Pizza Hut advert :lol:
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