Burley is having a tantrum on Sky over the VIP UEFA officials being allowed into the Country for the Euro final at Wembley, when UK citizens cannot go abroad
Sky interviewed labour's John Healey who fell into the narrative by saying this is typical behaviour by this government of favouring their friends as Dominic Cummings affirms, but then Sky singularly failed to ask the question of him, labour and indeed Burley herself, that are they willing to hand the prestigious finals to Bucharest, as that is the consequence of banning these officials
This is another example of poor journalism and seeking another 'gotcha'
UK citizens can go abroad.
It's a matter of what they have to do when they get back.
Burley is having a tantrum on Sky over the VIP UEFA officials being allowed into the Country for the Euro final at Wembley, when UK citizens cannot go abroad
Sky interviewed labour's John Healey who fell into the narrative by saying this is typical behaviour by this government of favouring their friends as Dominic Cummings affirms, but then Sky singularly failed to ask the question of him, labour and indeed Burley herself, that are they willing to hand the prestigious finals to Bucharest, as that is the consequence of banning these officials
This is another example of poor journalism and seeking another 'gotcha'
Burley is having a tantrum on Sky over the VIP UEFA officials being allowed into the Country for the Euro final at Wembley, when UK citizens cannot go abroad
Sky interviewed labour's John Healey who fell into the narrative by saying this is typical behaviour by this government of favouring their friends as Dominic Cummings affirms, but then Sky singularly failed to ask the question of him, labour and indeed Burley herself, that are they willing to hand the prestigious finals to Bucharest, as that is the consequence of banning these officials
This is another example of poor journalism and seeking another 'gotcha'
The only question worth asking is why are the UEFA officials being allowed in now but not for the Champions League final which was moved to Porto.
I believe the answer is getting the World Cup in 2030 but I suspect that wouldn't be the answer being offered.
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Strong Britain, Great Nation,
Strong Britain, Great Nation...
I noticed on the last thread that you sneered at the British values of tolerance, kindness, pride and respect.
Which of those virtues are not worth celebrating and encouraging?
All those virtues are worth celebrating and encouraging. However, I suspect they're not uniquely British, more like universal. Indeed, even in less tolerant countries than ours I suspect that most individual people value tolerance, kindness, pride and respect. Though such values are not always on display on PB.
Burley is having a tantrum on Sky over the VIP UEFA officials being allowed into the Country for the Euro final at Wembley, when UK citizens cannot go abroad
Sky interviewed labour's John Healey who fell into the narrative by saying this is typical behaviour by this government of favouring their friends as Dominic Cummings affirms, but then Sky singularly failed to ask the question of him, labour and indeed Burley herself, that are they willing to hand the prestigious finals to Bucharest, as that is the consequence of banning these officials
This is another example of poor journalism and seeking another 'gotcha'
If, as the empirical evidence suggests, you find watching Sky News annoying T is helpfully pointing out that it's possible to configure your television so that YOU DON'T HAVE TO WATCH IT.
OT Euro2020 Betfair prices, in order, and their implied chances of winning (not normalised).
1 France 5.4 18.5% 2 Italy 7.4 13.5% 3 Germany 7.8 12.8% 4 Belgium 9 11.1% 5 Spain 9.8 10.2% 6 England 10 10.0% 7 Netherlands 12.5 8.0% 8 Portugal 13 7.7% 9 Denmark 26 3.8% 10 Croatia 46 2.2% Everyone else (including Wales) is at 100 or more.
Fwiw I've backed France but do not agree with suggestions that England should be laid. A ten per cent chance of winning looks about right to me, with no juice on the back or lay side. Of course, we shall not know who England will play in the next round until after tonight's matches.
The value there is Belgium.
There's no way Germany's odds should be nearly as short as Italy's. I'd be tempted to back Italy and lay Germany.
I also think Portugal have a better chance than Spain.
“Mr Singh told Times Radio: “We started the concept in Bradford and West Yorkshire, and it’s been very, very successful indeed, so what we want to look at is taking it across the nation.
“It was something that was born from my dream as a police officer, in terms of what I’d see, in terms of my passion, pride and frustration, and something that I feel needed to be done in this country.
“This country is a brilliant country. I came to this country as a six-year-old kid who couldn’t speak a word of English. My parents were labourers, they worked in a factory and foundry, and there are fantastic people in this country.“
In the first opinion poll since the historic vote of No Confidence in prime minister Stefan Löfven, the Swedish Left Party (renamed Communists) reach their highest numbers in 19 years.
In contrast, the Liberal vote has totally collapsed. There is no way they are going to reach the 4% threshold now.
Burley is having a tantrum on Sky over the VIP UEFA officials being allowed into the Country for the Euro final at Wembley, when UK citizens cannot go abroad
Sky interviewed labour's John Healey who fell into the narrative by saying this is typical behaviour by this government of favouring their friends as Dominic Cummings affirms, but then Sky singularly failed to ask the question of him, labour and indeed Burley herself, that are they willing to hand the prestigious finals to Bucharest, as that is the consequence of banning these officials
This is another example of poor journalism and seeking another 'gotcha'
“Mr Singh told Times Radio: “We started the concept in Bradford and West Yorkshire, and it’s been very, very successful indeed, so what we want to look at is taking it across the nation.
“It was something that was born from my dream as a police officer, in terms of what I’d see, in terms of my passion, pride and frustration, and something that I feel needed to be done in this country.
“This country is a brilliant country. I came to this country as a six-year-old kid who couldn’t speak a word of English. My parents were labourers, they worked in a factory and foundry, and there are fantastic people in this country.“
I think there's quite a lot of polling evidence of ethnic minority communities having stronger senses of "Britishness" than of being "English" or "Scottish" - perhaps seeing those as ethnic identities?
Perhaps inevitably, the losers are most unwilling to bury the hatchet. When asked to score their feelings towards the other side out of 100 – with 100 the “warmest” feeling, and 0 the “coldest” – Remainers rate their feelings towards Leavers at 29 out of 100, while Leavers give Remain voters a much “warmer” rating of 42 out of 100. There are four times more Remain supporters who say it’s hard to be friends with people who voted Leave in the EU referendum than Leave voters who say the same about Remain voters (29 per cent versus seven per cent) – and these negative feelings about the other side haven’t declined, even as the news agenda moves on. It will continue to be an issue that represents different British mind sets, and divides society.
“Mr Singh told Times Radio: “We started the concept in Bradford and West Yorkshire, and it’s been very, very successful indeed, so what we want to look at is taking it across the nation.
“It was something that was born from my dream as a police officer, in terms of what I’d see, in terms of my passion, pride and frustration, and something that I feel needed to be done in this country.
“This country is a brilliant country. I came to this country as a six-year-old kid who couldn’t speak a word of English. My parents were labourers, they worked in a factory and foundry, and there are fantastic people in this country.“
I think there's quite a lot of polling evidence of ethnic minority communities having stronger senses of "Britishness" than of being "English" or "Scottish" - perhaps seeing those as ethnic identities?
My colleagues and friend say I am the most British/English person they know, not just based on my excellent knowledge of history of this country and these isles.
Apparently anyone who thinks immigrants/Muslims cannot integrate into the UK should spend some time with me.
Deltapoll is likely an outlier, and there's something unusual going on with their methodology anyway: their SNP number is implausibly (and consistently) low, in a fashion that none of the other pollsters match.
The Lib Dems have been flatlining at around 8% for almost the whole of the last decade (Jo Swinson managed to earn them about an extra 3pts at the 2019 GE with the hardline Remain message, for all the good that it did her; that extra support quickly fell off again.) Some kind of revival might be on the cards in the wake of the by-election win; you can make arguments either way, but it's too early to tell.
Deltapoll’s Scottish numbers are bonkers. Miles off all the other pollsters, and real-world election results:
Con 32% Lab 24% SNP 21% LD 6% UKIP 5% Grn 5% Ref 3% oth 4%
Burley is having a tantrum on Sky over the VIP UEFA officials being allowed into the Country for the Euro final at Wembley, when UK citizens cannot go abroad
Sky interviewed labour's John Healey who fell into the narrative by saying this is typical behaviour by this government of favouring their friends as Dominic Cummings affirms, but then Sky singularly failed to ask the question of him, labour and indeed Burley herself, that are they willing to hand the prestigious finals to Bucharest, as that is the consequence of banning these officials
This is another example of poor journalism and seeking another 'gotcha'
UK citizens can go abroad.
It's a matter of what they have to do when they get back.
But that is not the point
This is a prestigious sporting event and does anyone want to hand this event to another country, by preventing the organisations officials attending
In the first opinion poll since the historic vote of No Confidence in prime minister Stefan Löfven, the Swedish Left Party (renamed Communists) reach their highest numbers in 19 years.
In contrast, the Liberal vote has totally collapsed. There is no way they are going to reach the 4% threshold now.
The news articles say the PM may call elections, but if he dos, there will be elections next September anyway (i.e. as well).
Why has Sir Keir Starmer let the former Secretary of the Monday Club's Immigration and Repatriation Committee join the Labour Party?
Further proof of his bad judgment, I mean at the time the Monday Club policy was to repatriate all darkies wasn't it?
Also can anyone tell me why Boris Johnson correctly denied John Bercow a peerage because of the bullying allegations yet kept Priti Patel as Home Secretary after she had been found of bullying behaviour?
Implied betting chances of England's next opponents:
Germany 61% (German win France don't draw, Germany draw France don't lose) France 31% (France do either of above, Hungary win France lose narrowly) Hungary 5% (Hungary win France win or Hungary win France lose well/badly, 2-0, 2-0 or above) Portugal 3% (Hungary win, Portugal draw)
Deltapoll is likely an outlier, and there's something unusual going on with their methodology anyway: their SNP number is implausibly (and consistently) low, in a fashion that none of the other pollsters match.
The Lib Dems have been flatlining at around 8% for almost the whole of the last decade (Jo Swinson managed to earn them about an extra 3pts at the 2019 GE with the hardline Remain message, for all the good that it did her; that extra support quickly fell off again.) Some kind of revival might be on the cards in the wake of the by-election win; you can make arguments either way, but it's too early to tell.
Deltapoll’s Scottish numbers are bonkers. Miles off all the other pollsters, and real-world election results:
Con 32% Lab 24% SNP 21% LD 6% UKIP 5% Grn 5% Ref 3% oth 4%
Why?
Given the margin of error for subsamples, I think that is suspicious we don't see bonkers numbers more often in polling subsamples.
“Mr Singh told Times Radio: “We started the concept in Bradford and West Yorkshire, and it’s been very, very successful indeed, so what we want to look at is taking it across the nation.
“It was something that was born from my dream as a police officer, in terms of what I’d see, in terms of my passion, pride and frustration, and something that I feel needed to be done in this country.
“This country is a brilliant country. I came to this country as a six-year-old kid who couldn’t speak a word of English. My parents were labourers, they worked in a factory and foundry, and there are fantastic people in this country.“
I think there's quite a lot of polling evidence of ethnic minority communities having stronger senses of "Britishness" than of being "English" or "Scottish" - perhaps seeing those as ethnic identities?
My colleagues and friend say I am the most British/English person they know, not just based on my excellent knowledge of history of this country and these isles.
Apparently anyone who thinks immigrants/Muslims cannot integrate into the UK should spend some time for me.
A positive imperial legacy is that Britishness is a flexible quality and doesn’t - to my mind - denote any ethnicity or birthplace.
Deltapoll is likely an outlier, and there's something unusual going on with their methodology anyway: their SNP number is implausibly (and consistently) low, in a fashion that none of the other pollsters match.
The Lib Dems have been flatlining at around 8% for almost the whole of the last decade (Jo Swinson managed to earn them about an extra 3pts at the 2019 GE with the hardline Remain message, for all the good that it did her; that extra support quickly fell off again.) Some kind of revival might be on the cards in the wake of the by-election win; you can make arguments either way, but it's too early to tell.
Deltapoll’s Scottish numbers are bonkers. Miles off all the other pollsters, and real-world election results:
Con 32% Lab 24% SNP 21% LD 6% UKIP 5% Grn 5% Ref 3% oth 4%
Why?
Almost like Scottish subsamples, due to their small and consequent MOE, are inherently reliable.
It is why they should never read too much into them.
O/T 5 years ago today we voted to leave. Today I am off to London to spend the day on the lash with some of my fellow campaigners to celebrate the anniversary. If anybody sees a very drunken and dishevelled man trying to get on the last train back to Liverpool from Euston tonight, either please help me on or shove me under it depending on how you voted.
Strong Britain, Great Nation,
Strong Britain, Great Nation...
I noticed on the last thread that you sneered at the British values of tolerance, kindness, pride and respect.
Which of those virtues are not worth celebrating and encouraging?
The virtue of not dictating to primary school children to sing a right wing thinktank's version of a song supposedly to celebrate the nation which pretends that Northern Ireland isn't a thing.
Charles - are you providing succour to this nonsense out of remaining party loyalty, or do you really want us to go American and have a pledge of allegiance every morning in schools?
As Lieutenant Tawny Madison said in Galaxy Quest: Well Fuck That.
Pieties about others’ sneering after calling someone a fuckwit certainly exemplifies that fine, old British value of hypocrisy.
Nah - calling someone a fuckwit is a good old fashioned British insult. It’s fairly mild and usually in a semi-affectionate tone.
Sneering is condescending and snobbish to those you perceive as inferior to yourself. No one on this board has any inate superiority over others regardless of their beliefs or achievements.
Perhaps inevitably, the losers are most unwilling to bury the hatchet. When asked to score their feelings towards the other side out of 100 – with 100 the “warmest” feeling, and 0 the “coldest” – Remainers rate their feelings towards Leavers at 29 out of 100, while Leavers give Remain voters a much “warmer” rating of 42 out of 100. There are four times more Remain supporters who say it’s hard to be friends with people who voted Leave in the EU referendum than Leave voters who say the same about Remain voters (29 per cent versus seven per cent) – and these negative feelings about the other side haven’t declined, even as the news agenda moves on. It will continue to be an issue that represents different British mind sets, and divides society.
The best answer is like myself who voted remain but accept the vote and have no hatchet issues other than some at the extremes like @Scott_xP who need to move on
Except that, had the losers in 1975 done that, we wouldn't be where we are now.
Had SirJammy Fishpaste's Referendum Party accepted their 2.6 percent vote as a defeat in 1997 and moved on, we wouldn't be where we are now.
The essence of democracy has always been that a nation can change its mind, and that people have the right to try and persuade others to change their mind.
If this works, it will stick. If it doesn't, it won't, no matter what landmines this government puts in the way.
“Mr Singh told Times Radio: “We started the concept in Bradford and West Yorkshire, and it’s been very, very successful indeed, so what we want to look at is taking it across the nation.
“It was something that was born from my dream as a police officer, in terms of what I’d see, in terms of my passion, pride and frustration, and something that I feel needed to be done in this country.
“This country is a brilliant country. I came to this country as a six-year-old kid who couldn’t speak a word of English. My parents were labourers, they worked in a factory and foundry, and there are fantastic people in this country.“
I think there's quite a lot of polling evidence of ethnic minority communities having stronger senses of "Britishness" than of being "English" or "Scottish" - perhaps seeing those as ethnic identities?
My colleagues and friend say I am the most British/English person they know, not just based on my excellent knowledge of history of this country and these isles.
Apparently anyone who thinks immigrants/Muslims cannot integrate into the UK should spend some time for me.
My wife and family are all very British - and their contempt for the "hate everything about the UK and it's history" brigade is manifest and quite in-your-face.
O/T 5 years ago today we voted to leave. Today I am off to London to spend the day on the lash with some of my fellow campaigners to celebrate the anniversary. If anybody sees a very drunken and dishevelled man trying to get on the last train back to Liverpool from Euston tonight, either please help me on or shove me under it depending on how you voted.
Strong Britain, Great Nation,
Strong Britain, Great Nation...
I noticed on the last thread that you sneered at the British values of tolerance, kindness, pride and respect.
Which of those virtues are not worth celebrating and encouraging?
The virtue of not dictating to primary school children to sing a right wing thinktank's version of a song supposedly to celebrate the nation which pretends that Northern Ireland isn't a thing.
Charles - are you providing succour to this nonsense out of remaining party loyalty, or do you really want us to go American and have a pledge of allegiance every morning in schools?
As Lieutenant Tawny Madison said in Galaxy Quest: Well Fuck That.
By bringing your own sneering attitude. This song being rammed down the throats of primary age children is not part of any British values. Other than the one of not knowing what our country is as it misses off NI.
I’ve no idea about the song and don’t really care. The attitude he had was deeply unpleasant.
“Mr Singh told Times Radio: “We started the concept in Bradford and West Yorkshire, and it’s been very, very successful indeed, so what we want to look at is taking it across the nation.
“It was something that was born from my dream as a police officer, in terms of what I’d see, in terms of my passion, pride and frustration, and something that I feel needed to be done in this country.
“This country is a brilliant country. I came to this country as a six-year-old kid who couldn’t speak a word of English. My parents were labourers, they worked in a factory and foundry, and there are fantastic people in this country.“
I think there's quite a lot of polling evidence of ethnic minority communities having stronger senses of "Britishness" than of being "English" or "Scottish" - perhaps seeing those as ethnic identities?
My colleagues and friend say I am the most British/English person they know, not just based on my excellent knowledge of history of this country and these isles.
Apparently anyone who thinks immigrants/Muslims cannot integrate into the UK should spend some time for me.
A positive imperial legacy is that Britishness is a flexible quality and doesn’t - to my mind - denote any ethnicity or birthplace.
That is very valuable.
It is why I always take a holiday on the 3rd of July because I'm a true patriot whereas so called patriots who sing about two world wars and a world cup wouldn't be able to tell you why the 3rd of July is such an important date in this country's history.
Up there with the 18th of June, 21st of October, and the 25th of July.
O/T 5 years ago today we voted to leave. Today I am off to London to spend the day on the lash with some of my fellow campaigners to celebrate the anniversary. If anybody sees a very drunken and dishevelled man trying to get on the last train back to Liverpool from Euston tonight, either please help me on or shove me under it depending on how you voted.
Strong Britain, Great Nation,
Strong Britain, Great Nation...
I noticed on the last thread that you sneered at the British values of tolerance, kindness, pride and respect.
Which of those virtues are not worth celebrating and encouraging?
All those virtues are worth celebrating and encouraging. However, I suspect they're not uniquely British, more like universal. Indeed, even in less tolerant countries than ours I suspect that most individual people value tolerance, kindness, pride and respect. Though such values are not always on display on PB.
British traits I see which are more distinctive are privacy, tolerance, humour, sang-froideur, eccentricity, extemperaneousness, pragmatism, snobbery, moderation, philistinism.
O/T 5 years ago today we voted to leave. Today I am off to London to spend the day on the lash with some of my fellow campaigners to celebrate the anniversary. If anybody sees a very drunken and dishevelled man trying to get on the last train back to Liverpool from Euston tonight, either please help me on or shove me under it depending on how you voted.
Strong Britain, Great Nation,
Strong Britain, Great Nation...
I noticed on the last thread that you sneered at the British values of tolerance, kindness, pride and respect.
Which of those virtues are not worth celebrating and encouraging?
The virtue of not dictating to primary school children to sing a right wing thinktank's version of a song supposedly to celebrate the nation which pretends that Northern Ireland isn't a thing.
Charles - are you providing succour to this nonsense out of remaining party loyalty, or do you really want us to go American and have a pledge of allegiance every morning in schools?
As Lieutenant Tawny Madison said in Galaxy Quest: Well Fuck That.
I rather suspect that the extra 2m+ were towards the lower levels of the socioeconomic scale.
With a week to go until the deadline for EU nationals living in the UK to apply for settled status, it is clear that far more EU citizens have been living in the country than previous estimates suggested.
As of 31 May, the government had received 5.6 million applications for the post-Brexit scheme that allows EU nationals to continue living and working in the UK after the end of this month.
That is far higher than the official estimate when the scheme was fully opened in March 2019 that there were 3.7 million (non-Irish) EU nationals in the country.
How many did Labour predict when they opened the floodgates? 10-15,000 a year wasn’t it?
"And some nationalities stood out. More than 760,000 applications have been approved for Romanians in the UK, for example, while the estimate of the resident Romanian population is only about 400,000."
Hmmm remember when they told us there weren't as many Bulgarians and Romanians coming over and Nigel was just scaremongering? Turns out they undercoated, by a lot.
This means the net migration numbers have been way off as well. Voting Leave was the best vote I have ever cast.
Perhaps inevitably, the losers are most unwilling to bury the hatchet. When asked to score their feelings towards the other side out of 100 – with 100 the “warmest” feeling, and 0 the “coldest” – Remainers rate their feelings towards Leavers at 29 out of 100, while Leavers give Remain voters a much “warmer” rating of 42 out of 100. There are four times more Remain supporters who say it’s hard to be friends with people who voted Leave in the EU referendum than Leave voters who say the same about Remain voters (29 per cent versus seven per cent) – and these negative feelings about the other side haven’t declined, even as the news agenda moves on. It will continue to be an issue that represents different British mind sets, and divides society.
The best answer is like myself who voted remain but accept the vote and have no hatchet issues other than some at the extremes like @Scott_xP who need to move on
This was true before the referendum too though. Popular culture has spent the last twenty years encouraging Remainers to despise Leavers.
I don't know how this maps on to the Scotland question.
The government deserves a huge serving of shit over the decision to let UEFA hanger-oners in without quarantine.
Absolutely. A shameful decision, and an inconsistent decision when he correctly said no to UEFA and lost England the chance to hold this year's Champions League final.
I rather suspect that the extra 2m+ were towards the lower levels of the socioeconomic scale.
With a week to go until the deadline for EU nationals living in the UK to apply for settled status, it is clear that far more EU citizens have been living in the country than previous estimates suggested.
As of 31 May, the government had received 5.6 million applications for the post-Brexit scheme that allows EU nationals to continue living and working in the UK after the end of this month.
That is far higher than the official estimate when the scheme was fully opened in March 2019 that there were 3.7 million (non-Irish) EU nationals in the country.
How many did Labour predict when they opened the floodgates? 10-15,000 a year wasn’t it?
"And some nationalities stood out. More than 760,000 applications have been approved for Romanians in the UK, for example, while the estimate of the resident Romanian population is only about 400,000."
Hmmm remember when they told us there weren't as many Bulgarians and Romanians coming over and Nigel was just scaremongering? Turns out they undercoated, by a lot.
This means the net migration numbers have been way off as well. Voting Leave was the best vote I have ever cast.
I meant to say undercounted. But I think undercoated fits here.
Yes, Grant Shapps IS the cousin of Mick Jones from The Clash. (The Only Band That Matters)
YOU ARE FUCKING KIDDING ME!
That is amazing. Still remember fondly when some skinheads jumped up on the stage at the Rainbow and beat to fuck the support band (Suicide).
Happy days.
Edit: Remote Control tour I believe.
You were Spartacus? It beats my FP Rainbow story that I was there when the GLC abruptly terminated The Stranglers because Hugh Cornwell's teeshirt had a Ford-like logo that said Fuck (or something).
The Chemical Brothers, Blur, Primal Scream and Radiohead are among the artists urging the government to make it easier for British musicians to tour in the European Union post-Brexit https://trib.al/Wgw1DBC
“Mr Singh told Times Radio: “We started the concept in Bradford and West Yorkshire, and it’s been very, very successful indeed, so what we want to look at is taking it across the nation.
“It was something that was born from my dream as a police officer, in terms of what I’d see, in terms of my passion, pride and frustration, and something that I feel needed to be done in this country.
“This country is a brilliant country. I came to this country as a six-year-old kid who couldn’t speak a word of English. My parents were labourers, they worked in a factory and foundry, and there are fantastic people in this country.“
I think there's quite a lot of polling evidence of ethnic minority communities having stronger senses of "Britishness" than of being "English" or "Scottish" - perhaps seeing those as ethnic identities?
My colleagues and friend say I am the most British/English person they know, not just based on my excellent knowledge of history of this country and these isles.
Apparently anyone who thinks immigrants/Muslims cannot integrate into the UK should spend some time for me.
A positive imperial legacy is that Britishness is a flexible quality and doesn’t - to my mind - denote any ethnicity or birthplace.
That is very valuable.
It is why I always take a holiday on the 3rd of July because I'm a true patriot whereas so called patriots who sing about two world wars and a world cup wouldn't be able to tell you why the 3rd of July is such an important date in this country's history.
Up there with the 18th of June, 21st of October, and the 25th of July.
“Mr Singh told Times Radio: “We started the concept in Bradford and West Yorkshire, and it’s been very, very successful indeed, so what we want to look at is taking it across the nation.
“It was something that was born from my dream as a police officer, in terms of what I’d see, in terms of my passion, pride and frustration, and something that I feel needed to be done in this country.
“This country is a brilliant country. I came to this country as a six-year-old kid who couldn’t speak a word of English. My parents were labourers, they worked in a factory and foundry, and there are fantastic people in this country.“
I think there's quite a lot of polling evidence of ethnic minority communities having stronger senses of "Britishness" than of being "English" or "Scottish" - perhaps seeing those as ethnic identities?
My colleagues and friend say I am the most British/English person they know, not just based on my excellent knowledge of history of this country and these isles.
Apparently anyone who thinks immigrants/Muslims cannot integrate into the UK should spend some time for me.
A positive imperial legacy is that Britishness is a flexible quality and doesn’t - to my mind - denote any ethnicity or birthplace.
That is very valuable.
It is why I always take a holiday on the 3rd of July because I'm a true patriot whereas so called patriots who sing about two world wars and a world cup wouldn't be able to tell you why the 3rd of July is such an important date in this country's history.
Up there with the 18th of June, 21st of October, and the 25th of July.
The Chemical Brothers, Blur, Primal Scream and Radiohead are among the artists urging the government to make it easier for British musicians to tour in the European Union post-Brexit https://trib.al/Wgw1DBC
It’s only possible to beat Brit-agit-prop with Britpop.
Burley is having a tantrum on Sky over the VIP UEFA officials being allowed into the Country for the Euro final at Wembley, when UK citizens cannot go abroad
Sky interviewed labour's John Healey who fell into the narrative by saying this is typical behaviour by this government of favouring their friends as Dominic Cummings affirms, but then Sky singularly failed to ask the question of him, labour and indeed Burley herself, that are they willing to hand the prestigious finals to Bucharest, as that is the consequence of banning these officials
This is another example of poor journalism and seeking another 'gotcha'
UK citizens can go abroad.
It's a matter of what they have to do when they get back.
But that is not the point
This is a prestigious sporting event and does anyone want to hand this event to another country, by preventing the organisations officials attending
If the quarantine rules are necessary to protect us from the risk of importing new variants - which might lead to further restrictions on our daily life, as the Delta variant has - then is it worth waiving them for a single sporting event? Would you have further weeks with restrictions on the weddings of your grandchildren just so UEFA can bring people into the country without quarantine?
If we don't need these rules for a sporting event, then why should everyone else have to follow them?
O/T 5 years ago today we voted to leave. Today I am off to London to spend the day on the lash with some of my fellow campaigners to celebrate the anniversary. If anybody sees a very drunken and dishevelled man trying to get on the last train back to Liverpool from Euston tonight, either please help me on or shove me under it depending on how you voted.
Strong Britain, Great Nation,
Strong Britain, Great Nation...
I noticed on the last thread that you sneered at the British values of tolerance, kindness, pride and respect.
Which of those virtues are not worth celebrating and encouraging?
The virtue of not dictating to primary school children to sing a right wing thinktank's version of a song supposedly to celebrate the nation which pretends that Northern Ireland isn't a thing.
Charles - are you providing succour to this nonsense out of remaining party loyalty, or do you really want us to go American and have a pledge of allegiance every morning in schools?
As Lieutenant Tawny Madison said in Galaxy Quest: Well Fuck That.
By bringing your own sneering attitude. This song being rammed down the throats of primary age children is not part of any British values. Other than the one of not knowing what our country is as it misses off NI.
I’ve no idea about the song and don’t really care. The attitude he had was deeply unpleasant.
What did I say that you thought sneering?
I am a proud and patriotic Brit, though the British values that I prize are at present subsumed by tawdry Pooterish sentiment.
Being patriotic has never meant supporting the government or its aims. Indeed it is patriotic to oppose the rot going on at the top.
“Mr Singh told Times Radio: “We started the concept in Bradford and West Yorkshire, and it’s been very, very successful indeed, so what we want to look at is taking it across the nation.
“It was something that was born from my dream as a police officer, in terms of what I’d see, in terms of my passion, pride and frustration, and something that I feel needed to be done in this country.
“This country is a brilliant country. I came to this country as a six-year-old kid who couldn’t speak a word of English. My parents were labourers, they worked in a factory and foundry, and there are fantastic people in this country.“
I think there's quite a lot of polling evidence of ethnic minority communities having stronger senses of "Britishness" than of being "English" or "Scottish" - perhaps seeing those as ethnic identities?
My colleagues and friend say I am the most British/English person they know, not just based on my excellent knowledge of history of this country and these isles.
Apparently anyone who thinks immigrants/Muslims cannot integrate into the UK should spend some time for me.
A positive imperial legacy is that Britishness is a flexible quality and doesn’t - to my mind - denote any ethnicity or birthplace.
That is very valuable.
It is why I always take a holiday on the 3rd of July because I'm a true patriot whereas so called patriots who sing about two world wars and a world cup wouldn't be able to tell you why the 3rd of July is such an important date in this country's history.
Up there with the 18th of June, 21st of October, and the 25th of July.
What about the Glorious 1st of June?
Ultimately that was a French victory so I repress that.
O/T 5 years ago today we voted to leave. Today I am off to London to spend the day on the lash with some of my fellow campaigners to celebrate the anniversary. If anybody sees a very drunken and dishevelled man trying to get on the last train back to Liverpool from Euston tonight, either please help me on or shove me under it depending on how you voted.
Strong Britain, Great Nation,
Strong Britain, Great Nation...
I noticed on the last thread that you sneered at the British values of tolerance, kindness, pride and respect.
Which of those virtues are not worth celebrating and encouraging?
The virtue of not dictating to primary school children to sing a right wing thinktank's version of a song supposedly to celebrate the nation which pretends that Northern Ireland isn't a thing.
Charles - are you providing succour to this nonsense out of remaining party loyalty, or do you really want us to go American and have a pledge of allegiance every morning in schools?
As Lieutenant Tawny Madison said in Galaxy Quest: Well Fuck That.
Pieties about others’ sneering after calling someone a fuckwit certainly exemplifies that fine, old British value of hypocrisy.
Nah - calling someone a fuckwit is a good old fashioned British insult. It’s fairly mild and usually in a semi-affectionate tone.
Sneering is condescending and snobbish to those you perceive as inferior to yourself. No one on this board has any inate superiority over others regardless of their beliefs or achievements.
Though only one, to my knowledge, majors on his personal pedigree, the arcane structure of particular boarding schools, and his uncanny experience as Mollie Sugden’s bridesmaid.
So why did he do it? “Yes, what on earth was this north London Jewish boy doing teaming up with a bunch of bigots, racists and crypto-fascists? I think I was rather influenced by my father, who in many respects was a good dad – honest, loyal, hard working, he’s been dead for 33 years last week…” Again, the eyes brim and the voice cracks. “I don’t want to rubbish my dad, but it is possible for Jewish people to be racist, just as it is possible for people of other faiths to be. Dad was a creature of his time. He had a particular view about Commonwealth immigration. One day, I went to see him, and he mentioned Enoch Powell, whom he thought much maligned. I went off and read his [Powell’s] speeches, and I thought: wow, he’s got views about markets and price controls and Northern Ireland, and I fell for that. When you are a young person, you can be attracted by an ideology.”
So what changed? How did his move leftwards begin? “In the Monday Club, I came across people who were hardcore, disgusting racists, and antisemitic, too, and I recoiled, and left. But that was in 1984. I remained strongly Conservative for a long period. I was a Thatcherite until 2001.”...
“Mr Singh told Times Radio: “We started the concept in Bradford and West Yorkshire, and it’s been very, very successful indeed, so what we want to look at is taking it across the nation.
“It was something that was born from my dream as a police officer, in terms of what I’d see, in terms of my passion, pride and frustration, and something that I feel needed to be done in this country.
“This country is a brilliant country. I came to this country as a six-year-old kid who couldn’t speak a word of English. My parents were labourers, they worked in a factory and foundry, and there are fantastic people in this country.“
I think there's quite a lot of polling evidence of ethnic minority communities having stronger senses of "Britishness" than of being "English" or "Scottish" - perhaps seeing those as ethnic identities?
My colleagues and friend say I am the most British/English person they know, not just based on my excellent knowledge of history of this country and these isles.
Apparently anyone who thinks immigrants/Muslims cannot integrate into the UK should spend some time for me.
A positive imperial legacy is that Britishness is a flexible quality and doesn’t - to my mind - denote any ethnicity or birthplace.
That is very valuable.
Agree in many ways. Gisela Stewart, after the EU Referendum spoke rather movingly about this that as a German she could never be English*, but she could be British**. We put walls around this Identity at our peril.
*I personally believe anyone can identify as being English as well, if they want, but anecdotally it seems that people, particularly migrants, might feel more comfortable with British.
** Living in the EU at the time, I had similar feelings. As English, I would never be German but I had a shared political identity with my friends around me. It felt to me, at the time we were just different flavours of European. A minority view, no doubt, but a real one.
“Mr Singh told Times Radio: “We started the concept in Bradford and West Yorkshire, and it’s been very, very successful indeed, so what we want to look at is taking it across the nation.
“It was something that was born from my dream as a police officer, in terms of what I’d see, in terms of my passion, pride and frustration, and something that I feel needed to be done in this country.
“This country is a brilliant country. I came to this country as a six-year-old kid who couldn’t speak a word of English. My parents were labourers, they worked in a factory and foundry, and there are fantastic people in this country.“
I think there's quite a lot of polling evidence of ethnic minority communities having stronger senses of "Britishness" than of being "English" or "Scottish" - perhaps seeing those as ethnic identities?
My colleagues and friend say I am the most British/English person they know, not just based on my excellent knowledge of history of this country and these isles.
Apparently anyone who thinks immigrants/Muslims cannot integrate into the UK should spend some time for me.
A positive imperial legacy is that Britishness is a flexible quality and doesn’t - to my mind - denote any ethnicity or birthplace.
That is very valuable.
It is why I always take a holiday on the 3rd of July because I'm a true patriot whereas so called patriots who sing about two world wars and a world cup wouldn't be able to tell you why the 3rd of July is such an important date in this country's history.
Up there with the 18th of June, 21st of October, and the 25th of July.
What about the Glorious 1st of June?
Ultimately that was a French victory so I repress that.
7-0 in ships of the line.
The French started the fine tradition of declaring everything a victory in "Le Moniteur", and the French Navy started a tradition of losing to the RN.
O/T 5 years ago today we voted to leave. Today I am off to London to spend the day on the lash with some of my fellow campaigners to celebrate the anniversary. If anybody sees a very drunken and dishevelled man trying to get on the last train back to Liverpool from Euston tonight, either please help me on or shove me under it depending on how you voted.
Strong Britain, Great Nation,
Strong Britain, Great Nation...
I noticed on the last thread that you sneered at the British values of tolerance, kindness, pride and respect.
Which of those virtues are not worth celebrating and encouraging?
The virtue of not dictating to primary school children to sing a right wing thinktank's version of a song supposedly to celebrate the nation which pretends that Northern Ireland isn't a thing.
Charles - are you providing succour to this nonsense out of remaining party loyalty, or do you really want us to go American and have a pledge of allegiance every morning in schools?
As Lieutenant Tawny Madison said in Galaxy Quest: Well Fuck That.
Yes, Grant Shapps IS the cousin of Mick Jones from The Clash. (The Only Band That Matters)
YOU ARE FUCKING KIDDING ME!
That is amazing. Still remember fondly when some skinheads jumped up on the stage at the Rainbow and beat to fuck the support band (Suicide).
Happy days.
Edit: Remote Control tour I believe.
You were Spartacus? It beats my FP Rainbow story that I was there when the GLC abruptly terminated The Stranglers because Hugh Cornwell's teeshirt had a Ford-like logo that said Fuck (or something).
I remember JJ Burnel offering some bloke out from the stage at the Nashville for some reason or other (or perhaps none). The bloke left.
In the first opinion poll since the historic vote of No Confidence in prime minister Stefan Löfven, the Swedish Left Party (renamed Communists) reach their highest numbers in 19 years.
In contrast, the Liberal vote has totally collapsed. There is no way they are going to reach the 4% threshold now.
Why do they have a cock and balls as their logo?
Amazing to see the Irish Party do so well in Sweden as well.
So why did he do it? “Yes, what on earth was this north London Jewish boy doing teaming up with a bunch of bigots, racists and crypto-fascists? I think I was rather influenced by my father, who in many respects was a good dad – honest, loyal, hard working, he’s been dead for 33 years last week…” Again, the eyes brim and the voice cracks. “I don’t want to rubbish my dad, but it is possible for Jewish people to be racist, just as it is possible for people of other faiths to be. Dad was a creature of his time. He had a particular view about Commonwealth immigration. One day, I went to see him, and he mentioned Enoch Powell, whom he thought much maligned. I went off and read his [Powell’s] speeches, and I thought: wow, he’s got views about markets and price controls and Northern Ireland, and I fell for that. When you are a young person, you can be attracted by an ideology.”
So what changed? How did his move leftwards begin? “In the Monday Club, I came across people who were hardcore, disgusting racists, and antisemitic, too, and I recoiled, and left. But that was in 1984. I remained strongly Conservative for a long period. I was a Thatcherite until 2001.”...
Terrible, terrible judgment from him, and the fact he stopped being a Thatcherite shows his judgment doesn't get better with age.
There has been a great deal of debate around the RA’s recent communication about no longer stocking the work of Jess de Wahls in the Royal Academy shop. We have thought long and hard since then about this and the wider issues it raises.
One thing is clear to us now – we should have handled this better. We have apologised to Jess de Wahls for the way we have treated her and do so again publicly now. We had no right to judge her views on our social media. This betrayed our most important core value – the protection of free speech.
There was also a failure of communications internally which resulted in Jess de Wahls first hearing via social media that we would no longer stock her product in the RA shop. We will now reopen discussions with her regarding the restocking of her work.
Plurality of voices, tolerance and free thinking are at the core of what we stand for and seek to protect. These events raise some fundamental issues. Freedom of expression can open up debate, create empathy or respect for difference, it can also at times cause hurt and outrage. This has confirmed to us our commitment to freedom of expression and to addressing complex issues through engagement and debate.
We will continue to reflect on this and to look at our internal processes to ensure we learn from it. We want to make sure we navigate this better in future.
Replying to @royalacademy and @JessDeWahls Glad you finally got an apology. 2 points: (1) they need to restock your work not simply talk to you about it; (2) they should not blame some junior person in the press office. This was a failure of governance at the highest level. It should not have taken 5 days to resolve it.
O/T 5 years ago today we voted to leave. Today I am off to London to spend the day on the lash with some of my fellow campaigners to celebrate the anniversary. If anybody sees a very drunken and dishevelled man trying to get on the last train back to Liverpool from Euston tonight, either please help me on or shove me under it depending on how you voted.
Strong Britain, Great Nation,
Strong Britain, Great Nation...
I noticed on the last thread that you sneered at the British values of tolerance, kindness, pride and respect.
Which of those virtues are not worth celebrating and encouraging?
The virtue of not dictating to primary school children to sing a right wing thinktank's version of a song supposedly to celebrate the nation which pretends that Northern Ireland isn't a thing.
Charles - are you providing succour to this nonsense out of remaining party loyalty, or do you really want us to go American and have a pledge of allegiance every morning in schools?
As Lieutenant Tawny Madison said in Galaxy Quest: Well Fuck That.
O/T 5 years ago today we voted to leave. Today I am off to London to spend the day on the lash with some of my fellow campaigners to celebrate the anniversary. If anybody sees a very drunken and dishevelled man trying to get on the last train back to Liverpool from Euston tonight, either please help me on or shove me under it depending on how you voted.
Strong Britain, Great Nation,
Strong Britain, Great Nation...
I noticed on the last thread that you sneered at the British values of tolerance, kindness, pride and respect.
Which of those virtues are not worth celebrating and encouraging?
Getting children to sing that crap is pathetic , worse even than pretending UK is one country and trying to have the butcher's apron on all goods.
“Mr Singh told Times Radio: “We started the concept in Bradford and West Yorkshire, and it’s been very, very successful indeed, so what we want to look at is taking it across the nation.
“It was something that was born from my dream as a police officer, in terms of what I’d see, in terms of my passion, pride and frustration, and something that I feel needed to be done in this country.
“This country is a brilliant country. I came to this country as a six-year-old kid who couldn’t speak a word of English. My parents were labourers, they worked in a factory and foundry, and there are fantastic people in this country.“
I think there's quite a lot of polling evidence of ethnic minority communities having stronger senses of "Britishness" than of being "English" or "Scottish" - perhaps seeing those as ethnic identities?
My colleagues and friend say I am the most British/English person they know, not just based on my excellent knowledge of history of this country and these isles.
Apparently anyone who thinks immigrants/Muslims cannot integrate into the UK should spend some time for me.
A positive imperial legacy is that Britishness is a flexible quality and doesn’t - to my mind - denote any ethnicity or birthplace.
That is very valuable.
It is why I always take a holiday on the 3rd of July because I'm a true patriot whereas so called patriots who sing about two world wars and a world cup wouldn't be able to tell you why the 3rd of July is such an important date in this country's history.
Up there with the 18th of June, 21st of October, and the 25th of July.
What about the Glorious 1st of June?
Ultimately that was a French victory so I repress that.
7-0 in ships of the line.
The French started the fine tradition of declaring everything a victory in "Le Moniteur", and the French Navy started a tradition of losing to the RN.
But a strategic defeat in terms of the convoy in dispute.
Burley is having a tantrum on Sky over the VIP UEFA officials being allowed into the Country for the Euro final at Wembley, when UK citizens cannot go abroad
Sky interviewed labour's John Healey who fell into the narrative by saying this is typical behaviour by this government of favouring their friends as Dominic Cummings affirms, but then Sky singularly failed to ask the question of him, labour and indeed Burley herself, that are they willing to hand the prestigious finals to Bucharest, as that is the consequence of banning these officials
This is another example of poor journalism and seeking another 'gotcha'
UK citizens can go abroad.
It's a matter of what they have to do when they get back.
In the first opinion poll since the historic vote of No Confidence in prime minister Stefan Löfven, the Swedish Left Party (renamed Communists) reach their highest numbers in 19 years.
In contrast, the Liberal vote has totally collapsed. There is no way they are going to reach the 4% threshold now.
Why do they have a cock and balls as their logo?
If your vote share was that low, you'd probably go after the spoiled ballot papers, too. Gives them a good case.
“Mr Singh told Times Radio: “We started the concept in Bradford and West Yorkshire, and it’s been very, very successful indeed, so what we want to look at is taking it across the nation.
“It was something that was born from my dream as a police officer, in terms of what I’d see, in terms of my passion, pride and frustration, and something that I feel needed to be done in this country.
“This country is a brilliant country. I came to this country as a six-year-old kid who couldn’t speak a word of English. My parents were labourers, they worked in a factory and foundry, and there are fantastic people in this country.“
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico · 10h If the govt is serious about reopening fully on July 19th, it needs to start telling the public, now, that July 19th is likely to be at or about the peak in cases & hospitalisations. If it's gonna go at the peak, it needs to tell folk that's the plan.
And what do we think the chances of that are kids?
O/T 5 years ago today we voted to leave. Today I am off to London to spend the day on the lash with some of my fellow campaigners to celebrate the anniversary. If anybody sees a very drunken and dishevelled man trying to get on the last train back to Liverpool from Euston tonight, either please help me on or shove me under it depending on how you voted.
Strong Britain, Great Nation,
Strong Britain, Great Nation...
I noticed on the last thread that you sneered at the British values of tolerance, kindness, pride and respect.
Which of those virtues are not worth celebrating and encouraging?
The virtue of not dictating to primary school children to sing a right wing thinktank's version of a song supposedly to celebrate the nation which pretends that Northern Ireland isn't a thing.
Charles - are you providing succour to this nonsense out of remaining party loyalty, or do you really want us to go American and have a pledge of allegiance every morning in schools?
As Lieutenant Tawny Madison said in Galaxy Quest: Well Fuck That.
This British song has created a rich vein of material from people thinking it was Boris’s idea, and therefore instinctively slagging it off as ‘“unBritish” / “I wouldn’t let my kids sing it”, without realising they’re unknowingly bitching about immigrants trying to promote unity. Brilliant!
‘This British Unity Day or whatever the fuck it is just reinforces my base impression that Tories don't GET Britishness in a very fundamental way. Time was we could have a good, healthy sneer at countries like the US with their classroom loyalty oaths and flag fetishism.’
“Mr Singh told Times Radio: “We started the concept in Bradford and West Yorkshire, and it’s been very, very successful indeed, so what we want to look at is taking it across the nation.
“It was something that was born from my dream as a police officer, in terms of what I’d see, in terms of my passion, pride and frustration, and something that I feel needed to be done in this country.
“This country is a brilliant country. I came to this country as a six-year-old kid who couldn’t speak a word of English. My parents were labourers, they worked in a factory and foundry, and there are fantastic people in this country.“
I think there's quite a lot of polling evidence of ethnic minority communities having stronger senses of "Britishness" than of being "English" or "Scottish" - perhaps seeing those as ethnic identities?
My colleagues and friend say I am the most British/English person they know, not just based on my excellent knowledge of history of this country and these isles.
Apparently anyone who thinks immigrants/Muslims cannot integrate into the UK should spend some time for me.
A positive imperial legacy is that Britishness is a flexible quality and doesn’t - to my mind - denote any ethnicity or birthplace.
That is very valuable.
It is why I always take a holiday on the 3rd of July because I'm a true patriot whereas so called patriots who sing about two world wars and a world cup wouldn't be able to tell you why the 3rd of July is such an important date in this country's history.
Up there with the 18th of June, 21st of October, and the 25th of July.
What about the Glorious 1st of June?
Ultimately that was a French victory so I repress that.
7-0 in ships of the line.
The French started the fine tradition of declaring everything a victory in "Le Moniteur", and the French Navy started a tradition of losing to the RN.
But a strategic defeat in terms of the convoy in dispute.
I would have said that was more of a short term effect - the long term effect was to put the French Navy on the back foot. The RN used blockade/cruising to train up its crews, while keeping the French Navy in port, more and more.
“Mr Singh told Times Radio: “We started the concept in Bradford and West Yorkshire, and it’s been very, very successful indeed, so what we want to look at is taking it across the nation.
“It was something that was born from my dream as a police officer, in terms of what I’d see, in terms of my passion, pride and frustration, and something that I feel needed to be done in this country.
“This country is a brilliant country. I came to this country as a six-year-old kid who couldn’t speak a word of English. My parents were labourers, they worked in a factory and foundry, and there are fantastic people in this country.“
I think there's quite a lot of polling evidence of ethnic minority communities having stronger senses of "Britishness" than of being "English" or "Scottish" - perhaps seeing those as ethnic identities?
My colleagues and friend say I am the most British/English person they know, not just based on my excellent knowledge of history of this country and these isles.
Apparently anyone who thinks immigrants/Muslims cannot integrate into the UK should spend some time with me.
But you/your family chose to come here; people like me who can trace some, indeed, most of their ancestry here back to before the Romans came are maybe just too idle to find somewhere else! Or like the weather! Although, as I've posted before, I've got close family who've left these islands and don't intend to come back
So why did he do it? “Yes, what on earth was this north London Jewish boy doing teaming up with a bunch of bigots, racists and crypto-fascists? I think I was rather influenced by my father, who in many respects was a good dad – honest, loyal, hard working, he’s been dead for 33 years last week…” Again, the eyes brim and the voice cracks. “I don’t want to rubbish my dad, but it is possible for Jewish people to be racist, just as it is possible for people of other faiths to be. Dad was a creature of his time. He had a particular view about Commonwealth immigration. One day, I went to see him, and he mentioned Enoch Powell, whom he thought much maligned. I went off and read his [Powell’s] speeches, and I thought: wow, he’s got views about markets and price controls and Northern Ireland, and I fell for that. When you are a young person, you can be attracted by an ideology.”
So what changed? How did his move leftwards begin? “In the Monday Club, I came across people who were hardcore, disgusting racists, and antisemitic, too, and I recoiled, and left. But that was in 1984. I remained strongly Conservative for a long period. I was a Thatcherite until 2001.”...
Terrible, terrible judgment from him, and the fact he stopped being a Thatcherite shows his judgment doesn't get better with age.
If terrible judgment were a bar to a peerage, the Lords would have only a couple of dozen members. And most of Johnson's appointments certainly wouldn't be there.
Not a bad idea, but would need to be applied across the board.
In the first opinion poll since the historic vote of No Confidence in prime minister Stefan Löfven, the Swedish Left Party (renamed Communists) reach their highest numbers in 19 years.
In contrast, the Liberal vote has totally collapsed. There is no way they are going to reach the 4% threshold now.
Why do they have a cock and balls as their logo?
Never spotted that before… and I’m a Viz subscriber!
O/T 5 years ago today we voted to leave. Today I am off to London to spend the day on the lash with some of my fellow campaigners to celebrate the anniversary. If anybody sees a very drunken and dishevelled man trying to get on the last train back to Liverpool from Euston tonight, either please help me on or shove me under it depending on how you voted.
Strong Britain, Great Nation,
Strong Britain, Great Nation...
I noticed on the last thread that you sneered at the British values of tolerance, kindness, pride and respect.
Which of those virtues are not worth celebrating and encouraging?
The virtue of not dictating to primary school children to sing a right wing thinktank's version of a song supposedly to celebrate the nation which pretends that Northern Ireland isn't a thing.
Charles - are you providing succour to this nonsense out of remaining party loyalty, or do you really want us to go American and have a pledge of allegiance every morning in schools?
As Lieutenant Tawny Madison said in Galaxy Quest: Well Fuck That.
By bringing your own sneering attitude. This song being rammed down the throats of primary age children is not part of any British values. Other than the one of not knowing what our country is as it misses off NI.
I’ve no idea about the song and don’t really care. The attitude he had was deeply unpleasant.
What did I say that you thought sneering?
I am a proud and patriotic Brit, though the British values that I prize are at present subsumed by tawdry Pooterish sentiment.
Being patriotic has never meant supporting the government or its aims. Indeed it is patriotic to oppose the rot going on at the top.
One of the neat things about a constitutional monarchy is that you separate out the things that can be a focus of national unity and embody them in the Queen. That way, electoral politics can do its job of being a focus of national disunity- we only get good government by questioning it, challenging it and sometimes making it change direction when it doesn't want to. Not by giving them a blank cheque until the next General Election.
Have more flags- lovely. Sing more songs- fine, though there's something creepy about the government endorsing them top-down, and OBON Day seems to have the same degree of competence as most things this government does.
But the government doesn't embody the nation. The flags should be there to remind politicians who they serve, to make them humble, not proud. If Boris really wanted to embody the nation, he should have married into the Royal Family when he had the chance.
Deltapoll is likely an outlier, and there's something unusual going on with their methodology anyway: their SNP number is implausibly (and consistently) low, in a fashion that none of the other pollsters match.
The Lib Dems have been flatlining at around 8% for almost the whole of the last decade (Jo Swinson managed to earn them about an extra 3pts at the 2019 GE with the hardline Remain message, for all the good that it did her; that extra support quickly fell off again.) Some kind of revival might be on the cards in the wake of the by-election win; you can make arguments either way, but it's too early to tell.
Deltapoll’s Scottish numbers are bonkers. Miles off all the other pollsters, and real-world election results:
Con 32% Lab 24% SNP 21% LD 6% UKIP 5% Grn 5% Ref 3% oth 4%
Why?
Because.... Tory surge KLAXON!
Oh yes, of course, the only logical explanation… on PB.
Where’s that Aberdeenshire Tory got to that was always hyping the SCons?
Implied betting chances of England's next opponents:
Germany 61% (German win France don't draw, Germany draw France don't lose) France 31% (France do either of above, Hungary win France lose narrowly) Hungary 5% (Hungary win France win or Hungary win France lose well/badly, 2-0, 2-0 or above) Portugal 3% (Hungary win, Portugal draw)
Imagine they will have their suitcases packed already. Germany will hump them.
So why did he do it? “Yes, what on earth was this north London Jewish boy doing teaming up with a bunch of bigots, racists and crypto-fascists? I think I was rather influenced by my father, who in many respects was a good dad – honest, loyal, hard working, he’s been dead for 33 years last week…” Again, the eyes brim and the voice cracks. “I don’t want to rubbish my dad, but it is possible for Jewish people to be racist, just as it is possible for people of other faiths to be. Dad was a creature of his time. He had a particular view about Commonwealth immigration. One day, I went to see him, and he mentioned Enoch Powell, whom he thought much maligned. I went off and read his [Powell’s] speeches, and I thought: wow, he’s got views about markets and price controls and Northern Ireland, and I fell for that. When you are a young person, you can be attracted by an ideology.”
So what changed? How did his move leftwards begin? “In the Monday Club, I came across people who were hardcore, disgusting racists, and antisemitic, too, and I recoiled, and left. But that was in 1984. I remained strongly Conservative for a long period. I was a Thatcherite until 2001.”...
Terrible, terrible judgment from him, and the fact he stopped being a Thatcherite shows his judgment doesn't get better with age.
If terrible judgment were a bar to a peerage, the Lords would have only a couple of dozen members. And most of Johnson's appointments certainly wouldn't be there.
Not a bad idea, but would need to be applied across the board.
Would 'terrible judgement' apply to the attractive ladies who got so close to Royalty that they added to the stock, and whose progeny and descendants ended up in the Lords?
So why did he do it? “Yes, what on earth was this north London Jewish boy doing teaming up with a bunch of bigots, racists and crypto-fascists? I think I was rather influenced by my father, who in many respects was a good dad – honest, loyal, hard working, he’s been dead for 33 years last week…” Again, the eyes brim and the voice cracks. “I don’t want to rubbish my dad, but it is possible for Jewish people to be racist, just as it is possible for people of other faiths to be. Dad was a creature of his time. He had a particular view about Commonwealth immigration. One day, I went to see him, and he mentioned Enoch Powell, whom he thought much maligned. I went off and read his [Powell’s] speeches, and I thought: wow, he’s got views about markets and price controls and Northern Ireland, and I fell for that. When you are a young person, you can be attracted by an ideology.”
So what changed? How did his move leftwards begin? “In the Monday Club, I came across people who were hardcore, disgusting racists, and antisemitic, too, and I recoiled, and left. But that was in 1984. I remained strongly Conservative for a long period. I was a Thatcherite until 2001.”...
Terrible, terrible judgment from him, and the fact he stopped being a Thatcherite shows his judgment doesn't get better with age.
If terrible judgment were a bar to a peerage, the Lords would have only a couple of dozen members. And most of Johnson's appointments certainly wouldn't be there.
Not a bad idea, but would need to be applied across the board.
O/T 5 years ago today we voted to leave. Today I am off to London to spend the day on the lash with some of my fellow campaigners to celebrate the anniversary. If anybody sees a very drunken and dishevelled man trying to get on the last train back to Liverpool from Euston tonight, either please help me on or shove me under it depending on how you voted.
Strong Britain, Great Nation,
Strong Britain, Great Nation...
I noticed on the last thread that you sneered at the British values of tolerance, kindness, pride and respect.
Which of those virtues are not worth celebrating and encouraging?
The virtue of not dictating to primary school children to sing a right wing thinktank's version of a song supposedly to celebrate the nation which pretends that Northern Ireland isn't a thing.
Charles - are you providing succour to this nonsense out of remaining party loyalty, or do you really want us to go American and have a pledge of allegiance every morning in schools?
As Lieutenant Tawny Madison said in Galaxy Quest: Well Fuck That.
Burley is having a tantrum on Sky over the VIP UEFA officials being allowed into the Country for the Euro final at Wembley, when UK citizens cannot go abroad
Sky interviewed labour's John Healey who fell into the narrative by saying this is typical behaviour by this government of favouring their friends as Dominic Cummings affirms, but then Sky singularly failed to ask the question of him, labour and indeed Burley herself, that are they willing to hand the prestigious finals to Bucharest, as that is the consequence of banning these officials
This is another example of poor journalism and seeking another 'gotcha'
UK citizens can go abroad.
It's a matter of what they have to do when they get back.
But that is not the point
This is a prestigious sporting event and does anyone want to hand this event to another country, by preventing the organisations officials attending
If the quarantine rules are necessary to protect us from the risk of importing new variants - which might lead to further restrictions on our daily life, as the Delta variant has - then is it worth waiving them for a single sporting event? Would you have further weeks with restrictions on the weddings of your grandchildren just so UEFA can bring people into the country without quarantine?
If we don't need these rules for a sporting event, then why should everyone else have to follow them?
Tories will be on the make out of it for certain, chumocracy will be involved.
So why did he do it? “Yes, what on earth was this north London Jewish boy doing teaming up with a bunch of bigots, racists and crypto-fascists? I think I was rather influenced by my father, who in many respects was a good dad – honest, loyal, hard working, he’s been dead for 33 years last week…” Again, the eyes brim and the voice cracks. “I don’t want to rubbish my dad, but it is possible for Jewish people to be racist, just as it is possible for people of other faiths to be. Dad was a creature of his time. He had a particular view about Commonwealth immigration. One day, I went to see him, and he mentioned Enoch Powell, whom he thought much maligned. I went off and read his [Powell’s] speeches, and I thought: wow, he’s got views about markets and price controls and Northern Ireland, and I fell for that. When you are a young person, you can be attracted by an ideology.”
So what changed? How did his move leftwards begin? “In the Monday Club, I came across people who were hardcore, disgusting racists, and antisemitic, too, and I recoiled, and left. But that was in 1984. I remained strongly Conservative for a long period. I was a Thatcherite until 2001.”...
You are a disgusting racist. He is a bigot. I am an impressionable youth.
Burley is having a tantrum on Sky over the VIP UEFA officials being allowed into the Country for the Euro final at Wembley, when UK citizens cannot go abroad
Sky interviewed labour's John Healey who fell into the narrative by saying this is typical behaviour by this government of favouring their friends as Dominic Cummings affirms, but then Sky singularly failed to ask the question of him, labour and indeed Burley herself, that are they willing to hand the prestigious finals to Bucharest, as that is the consequence of banning these officials
This is another example of poor journalism and seeking another 'gotcha'
UK citizens can go abroad.
It's a matter of what they have to do when they get back.
Burley is having a tantrum on Sky over the VIP UEFA officials being allowed into the Country for the Euro final at Wembley, when UK citizens cannot go abroad
Sky interviewed labour's John Healey who fell into the narrative by saying this is typical behaviour by this government of favouring their friends as Dominic Cummings affirms, but then Sky singularly failed to ask the question of him, labour and indeed Burley herself, that are they willing to hand the prestigious finals to Bucharest, as that is the consequence of banning these officials
This is another example of poor journalism and seeking another 'gotcha'
UK citizens can go abroad.
It's a matter of what they have to do when they get back.
Thanks. I've just read that. Nothing has changed has it?
Not that I could see but I'm no travel agent. It may be HMG has consolidated previous guidance onto these two new pages so that forthcoming changes can easily be published.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel warned Tuesday that the EU is "backfiring" in its goal to set consistent travel rules as countries take varying approaches to the surge of a new COVID variant in Britain.
Her critical remarks singled out Portugal, which has allowed the entry of British tourists despite the highly infectious Delta virus variant actively circulating in the U.K.
“What I regret is that we have not yet been able to achieve a uniform behavior among the member states in terms of travel restrictions. That is backfiring," Merkel said at a joint press conference in Berlin with European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen.
In the first opinion poll since the historic vote of No Confidence in prime minister Stefan Löfven, the Swedish Left Party (renamed Communists) reach their highest numbers in 19 years.
In contrast, the Liberal vote has totally collapsed. There is no way they are going to reach the 4% threshold now.
The news articles say the PM may call elections, but if he dos, there will be elections next September anyway (i.e. as well).
Are we expecting a 2021 election in that case?
Regarding first query: yes, that is correct. Incidentally, that is the same in Scotland: any extraordinary general elections (there has never been one) would be in addition to the regular ones, only supplanting the next if less than six months away.
Query two: yes, probably. The PM has until the weekend to secure a new basis for government and a budget, but his task is looking grim. He is a trade unionist by trade and is an outstanding negotiator, but he seems to have come to the end of the tracks: the Centre Party (former Agrarians) point blank refuse to negotiate with the Left Party, apparently because of their nasty history of being palsy walsy with East Germany and other communist dictatorships.
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It's a matter of what they have to do when they get back.
I believe the answer is getting the World Cup in 2030 but I suspect that wouldn't be the answer being offered.
Whitehall (& I) was expecting 3 months yesterday as in Frost's request… generous from the EU if 6 is agreed
https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1407617823157981191?s=20
And you have still not answered my question
I also think Portugal have a better chance than Spain.
Apparently anyone who thinks immigrants/Muslims cannot integrate into the UK should spend some time with me.
This is a prestigious sporting event and does anyone want to hand this event to another country, by preventing the organisations officials attending
Are we expecting a 2021 election in that case?
That is amazing. Still remember fondly when some skinheads jumped up on the stage at the Rainbow and beat to fuck the support band (Suicide).
Happy days.
Edit: Remote Control tour I believe.
Further proof of his bad judgment, I mean at the time the Monday Club policy was to repatriate all darkies wasn't it?
Also can anyone tell me why Boris Johnson correctly denied John Bercow a peerage because of the bullying allegations yet kept Priti Patel as Home Secretary after she had been found of bullying behaviour?
Germany 61% (German win France don't draw, Germany draw France don't lose)
France 31% (France do either of above, Hungary win France lose narrowly)
Hungary 5% (Hungary win France win or Hungary win France lose well/badly, 2-0, 2-0 or above)
Portugal 3% (Hungary win, Portugal draw)
https://twitter.com/magnusllewellin/status/1407617849196224513?s=21
That is very valuable.
It is why they should never read too much into them.
Sneering is condescending and snobbish to those you perceive as inferior to yourself. No one on this board has any inate superiority over others regardless of their beliefs or achievements.
Had SirJammy Fishpaste's Referendum Party accepted their 2.6 percent vote as a defeat in 1997 and moved on, we wouldn't be where we are now.
The essence of democracy has always been that a nation can change its mind, and that people have the right to try and persuade others to change their mind.
If this works, it will stick. If it doesn't, it won't, no matter what landmines this government puts in the way.
As they put it - "We chose this country."
Up there with the 18th of June, 21st of October, and the 25th of July.
What next? Woody Guthrie is the grandfather of Mark Francois?
Hmmm remember when they told us there weren't as many Bulgarians and Romanians coming over and Nigel was just scaremongering? Turns out they undercoated, by a lot.
This means the net migration numbers have been way off as well. Voting Leave was the best vote I have ever cast.
I don't know how this maps on to the Scotland question.
The former connection really blew my mind.
Tom Cruise’s birthday?
Ohhh, you mean Mers-el-Kebir.
If we don't need these rules for a sporting event, then why should everyone else have to follow them?
This land is his land.
I am a proud and patriotic Brit, though the British values that I prize are at present subsumed by tawdry Pooterish sentiment.
Being patriotic has never meant supporting the government or its aims. Indeed it is patriotic to oppose the rot going on at the top.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/10/john-bercow-interview-i-may-be-pompous-but-i-am-completely-authentic
...the only thing I feel really ashamed about is that, when I joined the Monday Club, I joined its immigration, repatriation and race relations industry subcommittee. I’m deeply ashamed of that.”
So why did he do it? “Yes, what on earth was this north London Jewish boy doing teaming up with a bunch of bigots, racists and crypto-fascists? I think I was rather influenced by my father, who in many respects was a good dad – honest, loyal, hard working, he’s been dead for 33 years last week…” Again, the eyes brim and the voice cracks. “I don’t want to rubbish my dad, but it is possible for Jewish people to be racist, just as it is possible for people of other faiths to be. Dad was a creature of his time. He had a particular view about Commonwealth immigration. One day, I went to see him, and he mentioned Enoch Powell, whom he thought much maligned. I went off and read his [Powell’s] speeches, and I thought: wow, he’s got views about markets and price controls and Northern Ireland, and I fell for that. When you are a young person, you can be attracted by an ideology.”
So what changed? How did his move leftwards begin? “In the Monday Club, I came across people who were hardcore, disgusting racists, and antisemitic, too, and I recoiled, and left. But that was in 1984. I remained strongly Conservative for a long period. I was a Thatcherite until 2001.”...
*I personally believe anyone can identify as being English as well, if they want, but anecdotally it seems that people, particularly migrants, might feel more comfortable with British.
** Living in the EU at the time, I had similar feelings. As English, I would never be German but I had a shared political identity with my friends around me. It felt to me, at the time we were just different flavours of European. A minority view, no doubt, but a real one.
Every family has at least one embarrassing uncle.
The French started the fine tradition of declaring everything a victory in "Le Moniteur", and the French Navy started a tradition of losing to the RN.
Media Statement from the Royal Academy of Arts
There has been a great deal of debate around the RA’s recent communication about no longer stocking the work of Jess de Wahls in the Royal Academy shop. We have thought long and hard since then about this and the wider issues it raises.
One thing is clear to us now – we should have handled this better. We have apologised to Jess de Wahls for the way we have treated her and do so again publicly now. We had no right to judge her views on our social media. This betrayed our most important core value – the protection of free speech.
There was also a failure of communications internally which resulted in Jess de Wahls first hearing via social media that we would no longer stock her product in the RA shop. We will now reopen discussions with her regarding the restocking of her work.
Plurality of voices, tolerance and free thinking are at the core of what we stand for and seek to protect. These events raise some fundamental issues. Freedom of expression can open up debate, create empathy or respect for difference, it can also at times cause hurt and outrage. This has confirmed to us our commitment to freedom of expression and to addressing complex issues through engagement and debate.
We will continue to reflect on this and to look at our internal processes to ensure we learn from it. We want to make sure we navigate this better in future.
https://royal-academy-production-asset.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/b5758780-33b8-47a9-9dea-0b3312981235/Royal Academy statement 23.06.21.pdf
Cyclefree's response:
Replying to
@royalacademy and @JessDeWahls
Glad you finally got an apology. 2 points: (1) they need to restock your work not simply talk to you about it; (2) they should not blame some junior person in the press office. This was a failure of governance at the highest level. It should not have taken 5 days to resolve it.
https://twitter.com/Cyclefree2/status/1407623732257071104?s=20
So I knew lots of people who worked with Emily Blunt's uncle as well as Crispin Blunt's boss.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/travel-to-england-from-another-country-during-coronavirus-covid-19
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/travel-abroad-from-england-during-coronavirus-covid-19
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If the govt is serious about reopening fully on July 19th, it needs to start telling the public, now, that July 19th is likely to be at or about the peak in cases & hospitalisations. If it's gonna go at the peak, it needs to tell folk that's the plan.
And what do we think the chances of that are kids?
How much longer do we need to wait for that for? 😜
‘This British Unity Day or whatever the fuck it is just reinforces my base impression that Tories don't GET Britishness in a very fundamental way. Time was we could have a good, healthy sneer at countries like the US with their classroom loyalty oaths and flag fetishism.’
https://twitter.com/portraitinflesh/status/1407602828961619969?s=21
Although, as I've posted before, I've got close family who've left these islands and don't intend to come back
Not a bad idea, but would need to be applied across the board.
Have more flags- lovely. Sing more songs- fine, though there's something creepy about the government endorsing them top-down, and OBON Day seems to have the same degree of competence as most things this government does.
But the government doesn't embody the nation. The flags should be there to remind politicians who they serve, to make them humble, not proud. If Boris really wanted to embody the nation, he should have married into the Royal Family when he had the chance.
Where’s that Aberdeenshire Tory got to that was always hyping the SCons?
https://twitter.com/timesradio/status/1407629501367005184?s=21
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119094/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0
The double moustache?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO7LKJWlFJU
Query two: yes, probably. The PM has until the weekend to secure a new basis for government and a budget, but his task is looking grim. He is a trade unionist by trade and is an outstanding negotiator, but he seems to have come to the end of the tracks: the Centre Party (former Agrarians) point blank refuse to negotiate with the Left Party, apparently because of their nasty history of being palsy walsy with East Germany and other communist dictatorships.
For the first time in 6 years voters were actually reminded the Lib-Dems were a "thing" lol...
The double moustache is funny. Surprised more people haven’t thought of these before.