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  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,080

    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    tlg86 said:

    Very considerate of the Indians to try to get this test match done before the football.

    OTOH I think it has been shown pretty conclusively that in our dodgy climate a 6 day test is the answer. This would have been a boring draw if restricted to 5 days.
    I'd go further,a drawn test match should be 450 overs, when those take place ought to be semi-irrelevant. If you can bat out 120 overs to save a test then you deserve a draw; but they shouldn't occur just due to the vagaries of weather.
    The problem is that the weather in England isn't random, you have regimes of wetter periods, when whole weeks are lost to rain.

    Er, no. That is rare in the extreme. Can you show me a few examples of this claim?
    This recent week of this test match had two days lost to rain, and two test matches last summer against Pakistan were similarly afflicted for starters.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    alex_ said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/23/brexit-has-weakened-and-isolated-the-uk-says-eu-vaccine-chief

    I get that the Guardian don’t like Brexit but I find it bizarre this continued push to try to claim that the U.K. vaccine effort is somehow failing compared to the EU, based on (it seems) a relative slow down among non vulnerable groups, Germany being a bigger country than the U.K. and the U.K. not being able to source 100% of its vaccines from within its borders (from a complete standing start). And the latter even in the context of the EU taking AZ to court to secure a supply of vaccines from out with the EU!

    Moreover, Britain was excluded from the EU recovery plan: “If the UK was still in the EU, it would have benefited from perhaps £45bn of collective EU money ... It’s hard to see how one country on its own can fare better than many, together.”

    Is he suggesting that the UK would have been a net beneficiary?

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,706
    Andy_JS said:

    BBC reporting that sweeping new restrictions are being introduced across Sydney as a fast growing new outbreak develops with no entry to Sydney and residents largely banned from leaving the city

    The Health minister describes it as a very real and present danger

    It is apparently a Delta covid variant

    It does make you wonder if this new Delta variant of concern, just discovered, is a real threat to vaccines

    I can't see how Australia is ever going to escape from this situation.
    Well, they have to vaccinate. That is the only way. Blocking your borders and locking yourselves away might work in the short term and can buy time but it is completely absurd to contend that it can be a long term solution.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824

    Andy_JS said:

    BBC reporting that sweeping new restrictions are being introduced across Sydney as a fast growing new outbreak develops with no entry to Sydney and residents largely banned from leaving the city

    The Health minister describes it as a very real and present danger

    It is apparently a Delta covid variant

    It does make you wonder if this new Delta variant of concern, just discovered, is a real threat to vaccines

    I can't see how Australia is ever going to escape from this situation.
    The same way as everyone else?
    Very carefully. Everyone else can probably mange just bumbling along.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,255
    DavidL said:

    tlg86 said:

    Very considerate of the Indians to try to get this test match done before the football.

    OTOH I think it has been shown pretty conclusively that in our dodgy climate a 6 day test is the answer. This would have been a boring draw if restricted to 5 days.
    Never mind 100 balls and all that gubbins, I have an itch to see fixed over, standardised test matches. I appreciate I am likely alone in this.

    In the UK this would look like 7.5 hours playing days (3 x 2.5), and reaching up to 120, 240, 330, 420 & 450 total overs on each day of play, with a 6th reserve day. 450 overs the official duration of the whole match, 2 overs lost for innings breaks, and some formula for minimum hourly over rates with immediate addition of extras (e.g. 10 per lost over) for falling below.

    For test competition bonus at each 90 over point for 'winning the day' with unused days 'won' according to some mix of match winner, part day's play and balance of match.

    Thought would be needed to make this work in more or less the same fashion elsewhere, especially in Asian dusks.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824

    alex_ said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/23/brexit-has-weakened-and-isolated-the-uk-says-eu-vaccine-chief

    I get that the Guardian don’t like Brexit but I find it bizarre this continued push to try to claim that the U.K. vaccine effort is somehow failing compared to the EU, based on (it seems) a relative slow down among non vulnerable groups, Germany being a bigger country than the U.K. and the U.K. not being able to source 100% of its vaccines from within its borders (from a complete standing start). And the latter even in the context of the EU taking AZ to court to secure a supply of vaccines from out with the EU!

    Moreover, Britain was excluded from the EU recovery plan: “If the UK was still in the EU, it would have benefited from perhaps £45bn of collective EU money ... It’s hard to see how one country on its own can fare better than many, together.”

    Is he suggesting that the UK would have been a net beneficiary?

    The cheek, lol.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753

    Andy_JS said:

    BBC reporting that sweeping new restrictions are being introduced across Sydney as a fast growing new outbreak develops with no entry to Sydney and residents largely banned from leaving the city

    The Health minister describes it as a very real and present danger

    It is apparently a Delta covid variant

    It does make you wonder if this new Delta variant of concern, just discovered, is a real threat to vaccines

    I can't see how Australia is ever going to escape from this situation.
    The same way as everyone else?
    But later.

    Spoke to a mate of mine in Brisbane. He is furious. Joked that it will be 2023 before he gets his jab.

    Meanwhile they are in a prison which was supposed to keep them safe. But hasn't. Absolutely fucking miserable.

    I'd rather be us.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,749
    Another poll

    I have long maintained the conservative lead is between 8% and 10%

    NEW – Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON 41% (-1)
    LAB 33% (-2)
    LD 8% (-1)
    GRN 7% (+2)
    SNP 4% (-)
    OTH 6% (+1)

    2,024 respondents, fieldwork 11-15 June '21. Changes w/ 9-10 June

  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    This is funny

    BBC reports that the number of applications for settled status by EU citizens is more than the estimate of the number of EU citizens living here.

    Not a surprise, perhaps, but it won't be far out will it? couple of hundred thousand? tops?

    .....er.......2 million.

    Which I imagine, all but sinks Johnson's plans to turn the south of England into one giant property development.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513

    2.6 runs an over doesn't sound like much, but it would be the fastest run rate in the match. If they get the overs in before the gloom descends.

    Doesn't sound too bad at the moment.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,585

    Scotland's covid positive tests today is the equivalent to England having 70,000 positive tests.
    What is Scotland doing so wrong?

    England a much bigger sample size, of course. If you just look at the NW of England rates are not dissimilar from Scotland.
    OTOH, Scotland are not doing as much testing, so presumably the true figure, relative to even just the NW, is actually higher still.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824

    This is funny

    BBC reports that the number of applications for settled status by EU citizens is more than the estimate of the number of EU citizens living here.

    Not a surprise, perhaps, but it won't be far out will it? couple of hundred thousand? tops?

    .....er.......2 million.

    Which I imagine, all but sinks Johnson's plans to turn the south of England into one giant property development.

    Depends if the population estimates are wrong or not. I don't think they necessarily are.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,167

    Andy_JS said:

    BBC reporting that sweeping new restrictions are being introduced across Sydney as a fast growing new outbreak develops with no entry to Sydney and residents largely banned from leaving the city

    The Health minister describes it as a very real and present danger

    It is apparently a Delta covid variant

    It does make you wonder if this new Delta variant of concern, just discovered, is a real threat to vaccines

    I can't see how Australia is ever going to escape from this situation.
    The same way as everyone else?
    Their vaccine programme is very slow, although it's not their fault.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,477

    Andy_JS said:

    BBC reporting that sweeping new restrictions are being introduced across Sydney as a fast growing new outbreak develops with no entry to Sydney and residents largely banned from leaving the city

    The Health minister describes it as a very real and present danger

    It is apparently a Delta covid variant

    It does make you wonder if this new Delta variant of concern, just discovered, is a real threat to vaccines

    I can't see how Australia is ever going to escape from this situation.
    The same way as everyone else?
    They better get on with vaccinating then. Only 3% jabbed, no urgency and antivax sentiment being allowed to creep in.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,749
    Pulpstar said:

    BBC reporting that sweeping new restrictions are being introduced across Sydney as a fast growing new outbreak develops with no entry to Sydney and residents largely banned from leaving the city

    The Health minister describes it as a very real and present danger

    It is apparently a Delta covid variant

    It does make you wonder if this new Delta variant of concern, just discovered, is a real threat to vaccines

    Your arguments are non sequiturs

    ?? Australia is neither vaccinated nor has any sort of prior infection immunity.

    If an outbreak grips hold across Gibraltar we'll know the vaccines are under threat.
    The words you crossed out were from the Sydney reporter speaking to Jane Hill on BBC

    Crossing them out is pointless, unless you want to challenge the Sydney reporter

    I am only repeating a BBC report from the city
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,892

    Andy_JS said:

    BBC reporting that sweeping new restrictions are being introduced across Sydney as a fast growing new outbreak develops with no entry to Sydney and residents largely banned from leaving the city

    The Health minister describes it as a very real and present danger

    It is apparently a Delta covid variant

    It does make you wonder if this new Delta variant of concern, just discovered, is a real threat to vaccines

    I can't see how Australia is ever going to escape from this situation.
    The same way as everyone else?
    They better get on with vaccinating then. Only 3% jabbed, no urgency and antivax sentiment being allowed to creep in.
    I think a slow vaccination pace allows antivax sentiment to become embedded. See Canada's first dosing - a real feeling of momentum about the job there with their rapid rollout (Once going) speed.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 4,947

    alex_ said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/23/brexit-has-weakened-and-isolated-the-uk-says-eu-vaccine-chief

    I get that the Guardian don’t like Brexit but I find it bizarre this continued push to try to claim that the U.K. vaccine effort is somehow failing compared to the EU, based on (it seems) a relative slow down among non vulnerable groups, Germany being a bigger country than the U.K. and the U.K. not being able to source 100% of its vaccines from within its borders (from a complete standing start). And the latter even in the context of the EU taking AZ to court to secure a supply of vaccines from out with the EU!

    Moreover, Britain was excluded from the EU recovery plan: “If the UK was still in the EU, it would have benefited from perhaps £45bn of collective EU money ... It’s hard to see how one country on its own can fare better than many, together.”

    Is he suggesting that the UK would have been a net beneficiary?

    Or that we need yet more soft socialism and a bigger dependency culture than Sunak has already given us?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,477

    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    tlg86 said:

    Very considerate of the Indians to try to get this test match done before the football.

    OTOH I think it has been shown pretty conclusively that in our dodgy climate a 6 day test is the answer. This would have been a boring draw if restricted to 5 days.
    I'd go further,a drawn test match should be 450 overs, when those take place ought to be semi-irrelevant. If you can bat out 120 overs to save a test then you deserve a draw; but they shouldn't occur just due to the vagaries of weather.
    The problem is that the weather in England isn't random, you have regimes of wetter periods, when whole weeks are lost to rain.

    Er, no. That is rare in the extreme. Can you show me a few examples of this claim?
    This recent week of this test match had two days lost to rain, and two test matches last summer against Pakistan were similarly afflicted for starters.
    Your claim was that England has wetter periods when whole weeks are lost to rain.

    That is, in fact, extremely rare. Just hyperbole. Yes, there are examples of two days of a test being washed out. But that's not what you wrote.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,477
    Pulpstar said:

    Andy_JS said:

    BBC reporting that sweeping new restrictions are being introduced across Sydney as a fast growing new outbreak develops with no entry to Sydney and residents largely banned from leaving the city

    The Health minister describes it as a very real and present danger

    It is apparently a Delta covid variant

    It does make you wonder if this new Delta variant of concern, just discovered, is a real threat to vaccines

    I can't see how Australia is ever going to escape from this situation.
    The same way as everyone else?
    They better get on with vaccinating then. Only 3% jabbed, no urgency and antivax sentiment being allowed to creep in.
    I think a slow vaccination pace allows antivax sentiment to become embedded. See Canada's first dosing - a real feeling of momentum about the job there with their rapid rollout (Once going) speed.
    Yes, it's the "we're doing fine so why would we risk having a jab?" mentality –– very dangerous to let it fester.
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    edited June 2021
    Cookie said:

    Scotland's covid positive tests today is the equivalent to England having 70,000 positive tests.
    What is Scotland doing so wrong?

    England a much bigger sample size, of course. If you just look at the NW of England rates are not dissimilar from Scotland.
    OTOH, Scotland are not doing as much testing, so presumably the true figure, relative to even just the NW, is actually higher still.
    I am starting to think that covid cases are no longer the numbers that are chiefly occupying the minds of ministers right now.

    They are thinking more of the alarming rise in cases of electors who decided not to vote conservative at the locals in May and in Amersham earlier this month.

    It is the numbers of those cases they are more concerned with bringing down now.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,477

    Pulpstar said:

    BBC reporting that sweeping new restrictions are being introduced across Sydney as a fast growing new outbreak develops with no entry to Sydney and residents largely banned from leaving the city

    The Health minister describes it as a very real and present danger

    It is apparently a Delta covid variant

    It does make you wonder if this new Delta variant of concern, just discovered, is a real threat to vaccines

    Your arguments are non sequiturs

    ?? Australia is neither vaccinated nor has any sort of prior infection immunity.

    If an outbreak grips hold across Gibraltar we'll know the vaccines are under threat.
    The words you crossed out were from the Sydney reporter speaking to Jane Hill on BBC

    Crossing them out is pointless, unless you want to challenge the Sydney reporter

    I am only repeating a BBC report from the city
    Therein lies your problem...
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,749
    Cookie said:

    BBC reporting that sweeping new restrictions are being introduced across Sydney as a fast growing new outbreak develops with no entry to Sydney and residents largely banned from leaving the city

    The Health minister describes it as a very real and present danger

    It is apparently a Delta covid variant

    It does make you wonder if this new Delta variant of concern, just discovered, is a real threat to vaccines

    Vaccines are largely irrelevant in Asutralia, I understood? Not too much vaxxing gone on yet so efficacy or otherwise isn't really an issue. AIUI?
    The point I was making is that the Sydney authorities are naming this a Delta covid variant and my point is that is this new variant the same one named in India days ago as a very real concern and therefore a danger to the vaccines
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,677
    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Floater said:

    Leon said:

    Nothing to see here. Just a triangular UFO the size of Ireland hovering off Mexico

    "I’ve never been spooked by a UFO video or picture before....Until now ⏭

    Huge triangle UFO caught by a NOAA satellite...Visible for 7 hours...Catalina Island....

    Someone debunk this plz

    #ufotwitter #ufos #ufo #uap #uso"

    https://twitter.com/528vibes/status/1407453584921350149?s=20

    WTF is it? A weird glitch? Optical illusion? Photoshop? I'm going with a hoax by the Youtuber, but it is well done. Just the right amount of fuzziness and Wow

    No idea - but Lue Elizondo reckons the US has satellite evidence too

    In case you missed this last night - he was asked what would he expect the reaction to be if the world knew what he had seen from his job

    https://twitter.com/ufobelievers/status/1407604925853540352
    Yes, I saw that. Bewildering. That's the furthest he's gone to saying Yes, it's not human

    WTF is going on in the US?
    A couple of weeks ago I posted a video from an ex-USAF officer about a top secret base that had an even more top secret use at night. He mentioned in passing that the Pentagon was happy to "no comment" UFO sightings that were actually of a new spy plane they were developing.

    UFO reports, or at least the ones you post, seem to come from the sort of places that develop advanced weaponry: America, Russia and China. They also launch satellites and have bits of rocket fall back to Earth. So my guess is that any UFOs that are not hoaxes are probably going to turn up at an arms fair one day.

    Whatever happened to the Loch Ness Monster?
    It's a plausible theory, but it has some flaws. These sightings - of super-advanced tech - date back at least to 2004, and probably to the 1940s. Could the US, China, Russia really have hidden brilliant machines that long? Why haven't they used them, or flaunted them, to evoke awe and fear?

    If it is America, why is the US government freaking out about its own technology? If it is secret tech, why is the Pentagon reporting all of this to Congress, and through them to the public?

    Why is America military and political elite admitting that it is flummoxed by these UAP - ie why the admission of intelligence failures and weakness?
    The Americans did (eventually) reveal their spy planes and stealth fighters and bombers. Here is a video of Russian planes "dancing". ETA what would night time reports of these planes have described?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_Cgxy7N-V0
    Fascinating. But that's fake, no?
    They're clearly not real aircraft. I think they're supposedly radio control models, but I'd be surprised if they're not in fact CGI remote control models.
    Yes, they are fake. A mixture of remote control aircraft - taken from here? -


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ1rYD13n0M&t=1068s

    ... mixed with some CGI simulation. If this is DecrepiterJohnL's level of discernment, he can be ignored on matters aeronautical
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,892

    Pulpstar said:

    BBC reporting that sweeping new restrictions are being introduced across Sydney as a fast growing new outbreak develops with no entry to Sydney and residents largely banned from leaving the city

    The Health minister describes it as a very real and present danger

    It is apparently a Delta covid variant

    It does make you wonder if this new Delta variant of concern, just discovered, is a real threat to vaccines

    Your arguments are non sequiturs

    ?? Australia is neither vaccinated nor has any sort of prior infection immunity.

    If an outbreak grips hold across Gibraltar we'll know the vaccines are under threat.
    The words you crossed out were from the Sydney reporter speaking to Jane Hill on BBC

    Crossing them out is pointless, unless you want to challenge the Sydney reporter

    I am only repeating a BBC report from the city
    I meant to italicise, not strike. Any sort of lockdown that Australia is implementing simply can't show a "threat to vaccines". It is still an almost completely naive population to Covid.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,162

    RobD said:

    Leon said:

    Nothing to see here. Just a triangular UFO the size of Ireland hovering off Mexico

    "I’ve never been spooked by a UFO video or picture before....Until now ⏭

    Huge triangle UFO caught by a NOAA satellite...Visible for 7 hours...Catalina Island....

    Someone debunk this plz

    #ufotwitter #ufos #ufo #uap #uso"

    https://twitter.com/528vibes/status/1407453584921350149?s=20

    WTF is it? A weird glitch? Optical illusion? Photoshop? I'm going with a hoax by the Youtuber, but it is well done. Just the right amount of fuzziness and Wow

    There are several downward looking satellites that are accessible to the public that have overlap. Shouldn't they first check that before making outlandish claims about UFOs?
    Finally decided to click on a “UFO” link.
    What an amazing waste of time.

    No, a vessel “the size of Ireland” did not suddenly appear over Mexico.
    What, in the middle of a major flight path. It’s insane to claim otherwise unless it has a cloaking device. Presumably care of the Romulans.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586

    Pulpstar said:

    BBC reporting that sweeping new restrictions are being introduced across Sydney as a fast growing new outbreak develops with no entry to Sydney and residents largely banned from leaving the city

    The Health minister describes it as a very real and present danger

    It is apparently a Delta covid variant

    It does make you wonder if this new Delta variant of concern, just discovered, is a real threat to vaccines

    Your arguments are non sequiturs

    ?? Australia is neither vaccinated nor has any sort of prior infection immunity.

    If an outbreak grips hold across Gibraltar we'll know the vaccines are under threat.
    The words you crossed out were from the Sydney reporter speaking to Jane Hill on BBC

    Crossing them out is pointless, unless you want to challenge the Sydney reporter

    I am only repeating a BBC report from the city
    Therein lies your problem...
    Do we have any reliable reports - say from Naomi Wolf?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,749
    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    BBC reporting that sweeping new restrictions are being introduced across Sydney as a fast growing new outbreak develops with no entry to Sydney and residents largely banned from leaving the city

    The Health minister describes it as a very real and present danger

    It is apparently a Delta covid variant

    It does make you wonder if this new Delta variant of concern, just discovered, is a real threat to vaccines

    I can't see how Australia is ever going to escape from this situation.
    The same way as everyone else?
    But later.

    Spoke to a mate of mine in Brisbane. He is furious. Joked that it will be 2023 before he gets his jab.

    Meanwhile they are in a prison which was supposed to keep them safe. But hasn't. Absolutely fucking miserable.

    I'd rather be us.
    Just as a matter of interest is this applying to Brisbane as well
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586
    Taz said:

    RobD said:

    Leon said:

    Nothing to see here. Just a triangular UFO the size of Ireland hovering off Mexico

    "I’ve never been spooked by a UFO video or picture before....Until now ⏭

    Huge triangle UFO caught by a NOAA satellite...Visible for 7 hours...Catalina Island....

    Someone debunk this plz

    #ufotwitter #ufos #ufo #uap #uso"

    https://twitter.com/528vibes/status/1407453584921350149?s=20

    WTF is it? A weird glitch? Optical illusion? Photoshop? I'm going with a hoax by the Youtuber, but it is well done. Just the right amount of fuzziness and Wow

    There are several downward looking satellites that are accessible to the public that have overlap. Shouldn't they first check that before making outlandish claims about UFOs?
    Finally decided to click on a “UFO” link.
    What an amazing waste of time.

    No, a vessel “the size of Ireland” did not suddenly appear over Mexico.
    What, in the middle of a major flight path. It’s insane to claim otherwise unless it has a cloaking device. Presumably care of the Romulans.
    Probably trying to find whales.

    Watch out for obvious Russians demanding to know where the "Nuclear Wessels" are....
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    BIG scoop from FT's Brussels team - Merkel and Macron want to restart EU-Russia summits with Putin and the 27 leaders, as part of a surprise proposal for a new EU strategy of closer engagement with the Kremlin https://ft.com/content/03528026-8fa1-4910-ab26-41cd26404439 via
    @financialtimes....

    ....Surprise proposal sprung on the rest of the EU a day before talks on how to deal with Moscow is going down down like a cup of cold sick with eastern members and others arguing against rapprochement with the Kremlin. Also comes a day after Merkel and Putin held a phone call


    https://twitter.com/HenryJFoy/status/1407702044803280902?s=20
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,749

    Pulpstar said:

    BBC reporting that sweeping new restrictions are being introduced across Sydney as a fast growing new outbreak develops with no entry to Sydney and residents largely banned from leaving the city

    The Health minister describes it as a very real and present danger

    It is apparently a Delta covid variant

    It does make you wonder if this new Delta variant of concern, just discovered, is a real threat to vaccines

    Your arguments are non sequiturs

    ?? Australia is neither vaccinated nor has any sort of prior infection immunity.

    If an outbreak grips hold across Gibraltar we'll know the vaccines are under threat.
    The words you crossed out were from the Sydney reporter speaking to Jane Hill on BBC

    Crossing them out is pointless, unless you want to challenge the Sydney reporter

    I am only repeating a BBC report from the city
    Therein lies your problem...
    Just as a matter of interest did you watch the actual interview with Jane Hill of BBC

    And if so what are you seeing as the problem with the interview
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753
    edited June 2021
    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Floater said:

    Leon said:

    Nothing to see here. Just a triangular UFO the size of Ireland hovering off Mexico

    "I’ve never been spooked by a UFO video or picture before....Until now ⏭

    Huge triangle UFO caught by a NOAA satellite...Visible for 7 hours...Catalina Island....

    Someone debunk this plz

    #ufotwitter #ufos #ufo #uap #uso"

    https://twitter.com/528vibes/status/1407453584921350149?s=20

    WTF is it? A weird glitch? Optical illusion? Photoshop? I'm going with a hoax by the Youtuber, but it is well done. Just the right amount of fuzziness and Wow

    No idea - but Lue Elizondo reckons the US has satellite evidence too

    In case you missed this last night - he was asked what would he expect the reaction to be if the world knew what he had seen from his job

    https://twitter.com/ufobelievers/status/1407604925853540352
    Yes, I saw that. Bewildering. That's the furthest he's gone to saying Yes, it's not human

    WTF is going on in the US?
    A couple of weeks ago I posted a video from an ex-USAF officer about a top secret base that had an even more top secret use at night. He mentioned in passing that the Pentagon was happy to "no comment" UFO sightings that were actually of a new spy plane they were developing.

    UFO reports, or at least the ones you post, seem to come from the sort of places that develop advanced weaponry: America, Russia and China. They also launch satellites and have bits of rocket fall back to Earth. So my guess is that any UFOs that are not hoaxes are probably going to turn up at an arms fair one day.

    Whatever happened to the Loch Ness Monster?
    It's a plausible theory, but it has some flaws. These sightings - of super-advanced tech - date back at least to 2004, and probably to the 1940s. Could the US, China, Russia really have hidden brilliant machines that long? Why haven't they used them, or flaunted them, to evoke awe and fear?

    If it is America, why is the US government freaking out about its own technology? If it is secret tech, why is the Pentagon reporting all of this to Congress, and through them to the public?

    Why is America military and political elite admitting that it is flummoxed by these UAP - ie why the admission of intelligence failures and weakness?
    The Americans did (eventually) reveal their spy planes and stealth fighters and bombers. Here is a video of Russian planes "dancing". ETA what would night time reports of these planes have described?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_Cgxy7N-V0
    Fascinating. But that's fake, no?
    They're clearly not real aircraft. I think they're supposedly radio control models, but I'd be surprised if they're not in fact CGI remote control models.
    Yes, they are fake. A mixture of remote control aircraft - taken from here? -


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ1rYD13n0M&t=1068s

    ... mixed with some CGI simulation. If this is DecrepiterJohnL's level of discernment, he can be ignored on matters aeronautical
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  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    BBC reporting that sweeping new restrictions are being introduced across Sydney as a fast growing new outbreak develops with no entry to Sydney and residents largely banned from leaving the city

    The Health minister describes it as a very real and present danger

    It is apparently a Delta covid variant

    It does make you wonder if this new Delta variant of concern, just discovered, is a real threat to vaccines

    Not really – only 3% of adults have been vaccinated in Australia, due to their utterly hopeless roll out.
    Has Chris Grayling been moonlighting?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,167
    We could do with some more constituency polling from Batley & Spen.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    BBC reporting that sweeping new restrictions are being introduced across Sydney as a fast growing new outbreak develops with no entry to Sydney and residents largely banned from leaving the city

    The Health minister describes it as a very real and present danger

    It is apparently a Delta covid variant

    It does make you wonder if this new Delta variant of concern, just discovered, is a real threat to vaccines

    No, it reflects that Aus have utterly fucked up vaccine procurement.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,598
    edited June 2021

    Pulpstar said:

    Andy_JS said:

    BBC reporting that sweeping new restrictions are being introduced across Sydney as a fast growing new outbreak develops with no entry to Sydney and residents largely banned from leaving the city

    The Health minister describes it as a very real and present danger

    It is apparently a Delta covid variant

    It does make you wonder if this new Delta variant of concern, just discovered, is a real threat to vaccines

    I can't see how Australia is ever going to escape from this situation.
    The same way as everyone else?
    They better get on with vaccinating then. Only 3% jabbed, no urgency and antivax sentiment being allowed to creep in.
    I think a slow vaccination pace allows antivax sentiment to become embedded. See Canada's first dosing - a real feeling of momentum about the job there with their rapid rollout (Once going) speed.
    Yes, it's the "we're doing fine so why would we risk having a jab?" mentality –– very dangerous to let it fester.
    I thought the risk balance for the vaccine as explained by Vallance et al was unhelpful given the way they factored in the likelihood of an individual getting the disease in the short term.

    It looks like everyone is going to be exposed to Covid eventually, vaccinated or not. You might not notice if you are double vaxxed, but in the long term I don't see how it can be avoided.


    They should have presented the risk balance between getting AZ now, waiting n weeks to get Pfizer (which of course has its own risks), and the outcome for when the disease eventually catches up with you.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    What has happened today in Black Sea off Crimea?

    Senior UK Govt source: "Russia was trying to orchestrate an incident & their narrative is entirely and demonstrably false"

    Certainly seems some posturing. I'm told Russian Govt summoned UK military attaché with TV cameras waiting


    https://twitter.com/LOS_Fisher/status/1407709152068128779?s=20
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,749
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    BBC reporting that sweeping new restrictions are being introduced across Sydney as a fast growing new outbreak develops with no entry to Sydney and residents largely banned from leaving the city

    The Health minister describes it as a very real and present danger

    It is apparently a Delta covid variant

    It does make you wonder if this new Delta variant of concern, just discovered, is a real threat to vaccines

    Your arguments are non sequiturs

    ?? Australia is neither vaccinated nor has any sort of prior infection immunity.

    If an outbreak grips hold across Gibraltar we'll know the vaccines are under threat.
    The words you crossed out were from the Sydney reporter speaking to Jane Hill on BBC

    Crossing them out is pointless, unless you want to challenge the Sydney reporter

    I am only repeating a BBC report from the city
    I meant to italicise, not strike. Any sort of lockdown that Australia is implementing simply can't show a "threat to vaccines". It is still an almost completely naive population to Covid.
    Actually I do agree with you, and maybe I should have expressed myself better in so far as this new Delta covid variant they seem to be in a panic over could be a threat if this is the same one India has just announced of concern as it travels around the globe
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Looks like sailed through Crimean territorial waters:

    https://twitter.com/OilSheppard/status/1407709263959625736?s=20
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705

    Scotland's covid positive tests today is the equivalent to England having 70,000 positive tests.
    What is Scotland doing so wrong?

    It's literally only the last two days, but the number has indeed went totally barmy. It's so barmy it's surprising it hasn't actually triggered any apparent attempt to explain it from the SG, which is hard to tell if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753

    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    BBC reporting that sweeping new restrictions are being introduced across Sydney as a fast growing new outbreak develops with no entry to Sydney and residents largely banned from leaving the city

    The Health minister describes it as a very real and present danger

    It is apparently a Delta covid variant

    It does make you wonder if this new Delta variant of concern, just discovered, is a real threat to vaccines

    I can't see how Australia is ever going to escape from this situation.
    The same way as everyone else?
    But later.

    Spoke to a mate of mine in Brisbane. He is furious. Joked that it will be 2023 before he gets his jab.

    Meanwhile they are in a prison which was supposed to keep them safe. But hasn't. Absolutely fucking miserable.

    I'd rather be us.
    Just as a matter of interest is this applying to Brisbane as well
    Not sure Big G haven't spoken to him last couple of days. I will ping him tomorrow morning.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824
    If delta is already in Australia it must be absolutely everywhere already.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,455
    Scott_xP said:
    Guardian really short on anti-brexit copy today....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,455
    edited June 2021
    RobD said:

    If delta is already in Australia it must be absolutely everywhere already.

    The adage with COVID, once you think you might have a problem, you already had that problem for quite a time already.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,706

    Looks like sailed through Crimean territorial waters:

    https://twitter.com/OilSheppard/status/1407709263959625736?s=20

    That's erm, provocative. Why exactly would we want to do that?
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,598
    edited June 2021

    Looks like sailed through Crimean territorial waters:

    https://twitter.com/OilSheppard/status/1407709263959625736?s=20

    Yes, it looks like that, but...as mentioned earlier...don't believe everything on AIS. The Russians have been messing with it.


  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,749
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    BBC reporting that sweeping new restrictions are being introduced across Sydney as a fast growing new outbreak develops with no entry to Sydney and residents largely banned from leaving the city

    The Health minister describes it as a very real and present danger

    It is apparently a Delta covid variant

    It does make you wonder if this new Delta variant of concern, just discovered, is a real threat to vaccines

    I can't see how Australia is ever going to escape from this situation.
    The same way as everyone else?
    But later.

    Spoke to a mate of mine in Brisbane. He is furious. Joked that it will be 2023 before he gets his jab.

    Meanwhile they are in a prison which was supposed to keep them safe. But hasn't. Absolutely fucking miserable.

    I'd rather be us.
    Just as a matter of interest is this applying to Brisbane as well
    Not sure Big G haven't spoken to him last couple of days. I will ping him tomorrow morning.
    Thank you

    I have been to Australia several times and have a really good friend living in Sydney and I just cannot understand why they have not vaccinated their population

    It just seems crass
  • eekeek Posts: 28,077

    Scotland's covid positive tests today is the equivalent to England having 70,000 positive tests.
    What is Scotland doing so wrong?

    It's literally only the last two days, but the number has indeed went totally barmy. It's so barmy it's surprising it hasn't actually triggered any apparent attempt to explain it from the SG, which is hard to tell if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
    If Nicola isn't up front talking about it, it's a bad thing.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,080

    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    tlg86 said:

    Very considerate of the Indians to try to get this test match done before the football.

    OTOH I think it has been shown pretty conclusively that in our dodgy climate a 6 day test is the answer. This would have been a boring draw if restricted to 5 days.
    I'd go further,a drawn test match should be 450 overs, when those take place ought to be semi-irrelevant. If you can bat out 120 overs to save a test then you deserve a draw; but they shouldn't occur just due to the vagaries of weather.
    The problem is that the weather in England isn't random, you have regimes of wetter periods, when whole weeks are lost to rain.

    Er, no. That is rare in the extreme. Can you show me a few examples of this claim?
    This recent week of this test match had two days lost to rain, and two test matches last summer against Pakistan were similarly afflicted for starters.
    The colours on this scarf represent the rain each day (in South-West England) in early June 2014. You can clearly see the tendency of English weather to flip between wet and dry phases. We don't just get one day of rain at a time.


  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,528
    Alistair said:

    BBC reporting that sweeping new restrictions are being introduced across Sydney as a fast growing new outbreak develops with no entry to Sydney and residents largely banned from leaving the city

    The Health minister describes it as a very real and present danger

    It is apparently a Delta covid variant

    It does make you wonder if this new Delta variant of concern, just discovered, is a real threat to vaccines

    No, it reflects that Aus have utterly fucked up vaccine procurement.
    They turned down an offer to buy 40m Pfizer doses in July of 2020. 🤦‍♂️
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,210
    DavidL said:

    Looks like sailed through Crimean territorial waters:

    https://twitter.com/OilSheppard/status/1407709263959625736?s=20

    That's erm, provocative. Why exactly would we want to do that?
    Well, technically they're Ukrainian territorial waters. But Russian spoofing of AIS looks possible.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,455
    edited June 2021
    MaxPB said:

    Alistair said:

    BBC reporting that sweeping new restrictions are being introduced across Sydney as a fast growing new outbreak develops with no entry to Sydney and residents largely banned from leaving the city

    The Health minister describes it as a very real and present danger

    It is apparently a Delta covid variant

    It does make you wonder if this new Delta variant of concern, just discovered, is a real threat to vaccines

    No, it reflects that Aus have utterly fucked up vaccine procurement.
    They turned down an offer to buy 40m Pfizer doses in July of 2020. 🤦‍♂️
    I presume because they thought their own vaccine was a goer? Which it was other than it gives false positives on some AIDs tests.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,257
    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    BBC reporting that sweeping new restrictions are being introduced across Sydney as a fast growing new outbreak develops with no entry to Sydney and residents largely banned from leaving the city

    The Health minister describes it as a very real and present danger

    It is apparently a Delta covid variant

    It does make you wonder if this new Delta variant of concern, just discovered, is a real threat to vaccines

    I can't see how Australia is ever going to escape from this situation.
    The same way as everyone else?
    But later.

    Spoke to a mate of mine in Brisbane. He is furious. Joked that it will be 2023 before he gets his jab.

    Meanwhile they are in a prison which was supposed to keep them safe. But hasn't. Absolutely fucking miserable.

    I'd rather be us.
    My 86 yo Dad is hoping to get his jab in NZ soon.

    My family are quite happy as life has proceeded v largely as normal for the past 18 months, save the ability to travel overseas.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,528

    MaxPB said:

    Alistair said:

    BBC reporting that sweeping new restrictions are being introduced across Sydney as a fast growing new outbreak develops with no entry to Sydney and residents largely banned from leaving the city

    The Health minister describes it as a very real and present danger

    It is apparently a Delta covid variant

    It does make you wonder if this new Delta variant of concern, just discovered, is a real threat to vaccines

    No, it reflects that Aus have utterly fucked up vaccine procurement.
    They turned down an offer to buy 40m Pfizer doses in July of 2020. 🤦‍♂️
    I presume because they thought their own vaccine was a goer? Which is was other than it gives false positives on some AIDs tests.
    Probably, but the best national buying strategies have been to buy many types and not rely on a single manufacturer. The US and UK distributed the risk very well.
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,375
    eek said:

    Scotland's covid positive tests today is the equivalent to England having 70,000 positive tests.
    What is Scotland doing so wrong?

    It's literally only the last two days, but the number has indeed went totally barmy. It's so barmy it's surprising it hasn't actually triggered any apparent attempt to explain it from the SG, which is hard to tell if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
    If Nicola isn't up front talking about it, it's a bad thing.
    A positivity rate between 7-9% , compare that to the rest of the UK.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,080

    Andy_JS said:

    2.6 runs an over doesn't sound like much, but it would be the fastest run rate in the match. If they get the overs in before the gloom descends.

    Sunny weather is forecast until 8pm.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2637487
    You are letting the facts get in the way of the PB Weather Experts' miserable hyperbole.
    Oh come off it. A bit of harmless hyperbole harms no-one.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586

    MaxPB said:

    Alistair said:

    BBC reporting that sweeping new restrictions are being introduced across Sydney as a fast growing new outbreak develops with no entry to Sydney and residents largely banned from leaving the city

    The Health minister describes it as a very real and present danger

    It is apparently a Delta covid variant

    It does make you wonder if this new Delta variant of concern, just discovered, is a real threat to vaccines

    No, it reflects that Aus have utterly fucked up vaccine procurement.
    They turned down an offer to buy 40m Pfizer doses in July of 2020. 🤦‍♂️
    I presume because they thought their own vaccine was a goer? Which is was other than it gives false positives on some AIDs tests.
    More that since their lockdown approach worked and kept cases low, they didn't consider vaccines as an emergency level procurement issue.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586

    eek said:

    Scotland's covid positive tests today is the equivalent to England having 70,000 positive tests.
    What is Scotland doing so wrong?

    It's literally only the last two days, but the number has indeed went totally barmy. It's so barmy it's surprising it hasn't actually triggered any apparent attempt to explain it from the SG, which is hard to tell if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
    If Nicola isn't up front talking about it, it's a bad thing.
    A positivity rate between 7-9% , compare that to the rest of the UK.
    from yesterday....

    image
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,749

    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    BBC reporting that sweeping new restrictions are being introduced across Sydney as a fast growing new outbreak develops with no entry to Sydney and residents largely banned from leaving the city

    The Health minister describes it as a very real and present danger

    It is apparently a Delta covid variant

    It does make you wonder if this new Delta variant of concern, just discovered, is a real threat to vaccines

    I can't see how Australia is ever going to escape from this situation.
    The same way as everyone else?
    But later.

    Spoke to a mate of mine in Brisbane. He is furious. Joked that it will be 2023 before he gets his jab.

    Meanwhile they are in a prison which was supposed to keep them safe. But hasn't. Absolutely fucking miserable.

    I'd rather be us.
    My 86 yo Dad is hoping to get his jab in NZ soon.

    My family are quite happy as life has proceeded v largely as normal for the past 18 months, save the ability to travel overseas.
    And for an isolated remote Island Nation that is a terrible place to be in

    My eldest cannot return to NZ from Canada, which was his home from 2003 - 2015 and where he has many friends
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824
    New thread.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,080

    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    tlg86 said:

    Very considerate of the Indians to try to get this test match done before the football.

    OTOH I think it has been shown pretty conclusively that in our dodgy climate a 6 day test is the answer. This would have been a boring draw if restricted to 5 days.
    I'd go further,a drawn test match should be 450 overs, when those take place ought to be semi-irrelevant. If you can bat out 120 overs to save a test then you deserve a draw; but they shouldn't occur just due to the vagaries of weather.
    The problem is that the weather in England isn't random, you have regimes of wetter periods, when whole weeks are lost to rain.

    Er, no. That is rare in the extreme. Can you show me a few examples of this claim?
    This recent week of this test match had two days lost to rain, and two test matches last summer against Pakistan were similarly afflicted for starters.
    Your claim was that England has wetter periods when whole weeks are lost to rain.

    That is, in fact, extremely rare. Just hyperbole. Yes, there are examples of two days of a test being washed out. But that's not what you wrote.
    If you lose two days in a five day period then the "week" is lost for the purposes of Test cricket - the context which we were discussing.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,301

    NEW THREAD

  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,375

    eek said:

    Scotland's covid positive tests today is the equivalent to England having 70,000 positive tests.
    What is Scotland doing so wrong?

    It's literally only the last two days, but the number has indeed went totally barmy. It's so barmy it's surprising it hasn't actually triggered any apparent attempt to explain it from the SG, which is hard to tell if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
    If Nicola isn't up front talking about it, it's a bad thing.
    A positivity rate between 7-9% , compare that to the rest of the UK.
    from yesterday....

    image
    The difference is extraordinary
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,503
    theProle said:



    Looking at that another way around for a moment.

    Imagine Mr X. Mr X has job at Morgan Stanley. He is happy with the job, the company is happy with his work. Mr X works at home throughout the pandemic, as requested by his employers. He and they are still happy.

    Mr X is asked to come back to work at the office, which he is happy to do. He for whatever reason doesn't want to be vaccinated. Morgan Stanley say - sorry, you must work from the office, and you can't work from the office unless you've been vaccinated.

    Mr X either attempts to work in the office without having the vaccine, or doesn't attend the office because he's not been vaccinated, and Morgan Stanley therefore sack him.

    Now this isn't a job where he accepted the role he could have been expected to anticipate the vaccination was a job requrement. It's not a job where it can be objectively argued that vaccination is necessary (C.f. healthworkers). It's also a job he just spent 15 months doing perfectly adequately from home - there have been no complains about his performance.

    In UK employment law, I can't see the employer has a leg to stand on - they are retrospectively imposing an arbitrary condition on an employee, and there is obvious alternative mitigation if they really don't want to let unvaxed staff in the office by letting him continue to work from home.

    Obviously a different scenario in a lot of the US where employees have far fewer rights.

    Seems a slam-dunk. I'm in favour of requiring vaccination for staff who have to work in close contact with others, as part of the duty of care to the other staff. But if working from home is refused or impossible and no work is available that doesn't offer less contact, then of course it's constructive dismissal, in the same way as if they required them to suddenly start working in Paraguay.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,575
    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Floater said:

    Leon said:

    Nothing to see here. Just a triangular UFO the size of Ireland hovering off Mexico

    "I’ve never been spooked by a UFO video or picture before....Until now ⏭

    Huge triangle UFO caught by a NOAA satellite...Visible for 7 hours...Catalina Island....

    Someone debunk this plz

    #ufotwitter #ufos #ufo #uap #uso"

    https://twitter.com/528vibes/status/1407453584921350149?s=20

    WTF is it? A weird glitch? Optical illusion? Photoshop? I'm going with a hoax by the Youtuber, but it is well done. Just the right amount of fuzziness and Wow

    No idea - but Lue Elizondo reckons the US has satellite evidence too

    In case you missed this last night - he was asked what would he expect the reaction to be if the world knew what he had seen from his job

    https://twitter.com/ufobelievers/status/1407604925853540352
    Yes, I saw that. Bewildering. That's the furthest he's gone to saying Yes, it's not human

    WTF is going on in the US?
    A couple of weeks ago I posted a video from an ex-USAF officer about a top secret base that had an even more top secret use at night. He mentioned in passing that the Pentagon was happy to "no comment" UFO sightings that were actually of a new spy plane they were developing.

    UFO reports, or at least the ones you post, seem to come from the sort of places that develop advanced weaponry: America, Russia and China. They also launch satellites and have bits of rocket fall back to Earth. So my guess is that any UFOs that are not hoaxes are probably going to turn up at an arms fair one day.

    Whatever happened to the Loch Ness Monster?
    It's a plausible theory, but it has some flaws. These sightings - of super-advanced tech - date back at least to 2004, and probably to the 1940s. Could the US, China, Russia really have hidden brilliant machines that long? Why haven't they used them, or flaunted them, to evoke awe and fear?

    If it is America, why is the US government freaking out about its own technology? If it is secret tech, why is the Pentagon reporting all of this to Congress, and through them to the public?

    Why is America military and political elite admitting that it is flummoxed by these UAP - ie why the admission of intelligence failures and weakness?
    The Americans did (eventually) reveal their spy planes and stealth fighters and bombers. Here is a video of Russian planes "dancing". ETA what would night time reports of these planes have described?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_Cgxy7N-V0
    Fascinating. But that's fake, no?
    They're clearly not real aircraft. I think they're supposedly radio control models, but I'd be surprised if they're not in fact CGI remote control models.
    Yes, they are fake. A mixture of remote control aircraft - taken from here? -


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ1rYD13n0M&t=1068s

    ... mixed with some CGI simulation. If this is DecrepiterJohnL's level of discernment, he can be ignored on matters aeronautical
    If it is fake then that surely is evidence that videos of UAPs can be faked. With hindsight, perhaps the "RC" logo should have been a clue. :blush:

    New thread btw.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753

    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    BBC reporting that sweeping new restrictions are being introduced across Sydney as a fast growing new outbreak develops with no entry to Sydney and residents largely banned from leaving the city

    The Health minister describes it as a very real and present danger

    It is apparently a Delta covid variant

    It does make you wonder if this new Delta variant of concern, just discovered, is a real threat to vaccines

    I can't see how Australia is ever going to escape from this situation.
    The same way as everyone else?
    But later.

    Spoke to a mate of mine in Brisbane. He is furious. Joked that it will be 2023 before he gets his jab.

    Meanwhile they are in a prison which was supposed to keep them safe. But hasn't. Absolutely fucking miserable.

    I'd rather be us.
    My 86 yo Dad is hoping to get his jab in NZ soon.

    My family are quite happy as life has proceeded v largely as normal for the past 18 months, save the ability to travel overseas.
    I hear you.

    There are many reasons why for me that would be far from normal, being trapped in the country forbidden to leave or enter. But I can see that for many people as long as they could go to the pub or shops or have people over everything would seem fine.

    For certain PB-ers, where no one is allowed to arrive or leave especially on holiday I imagine it is like living in some kind of wet dream.

    Not for me tho'.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,257

    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    BBC reporting that sweeping new restrictions are being introduced across Sydney as a fast growing new outbreak develops with no entry to Sydney and residents largely banned from leaving the city

    The Health minister describes it as a very real and present danger

    It is apparently a Delta covid variant

    It does make you wonder if this new Delta variant of concern, just discovered, is a real threat to vaccines

    I can't see how Australia is ever going to escape from this situation.
    The same way as everyone else?
    But later.

    Spoke to a mate of mine in Brisbane. He is furious. Joked that it will be 2023 before he gets his jab.

    Meanwhile they are in a prison which was supposed to keep them safe. But hasn't. Absolutely fucking miserable.

    I'd rather be us.
    My 86 yo Dad is hoping to get his jab in NZ soon.

    My family are quite happy as life has proceeded v largely as normal for the past 18 months, save the ability to travel overseas.
    And for an isolated remote Island Nation that is a terrible place to be in

    My eldest cannot return to NZ from Canada, which was his home from 2003 - 2015 and where he has many friends
    What a silly comment.
    NZ is “remote” but it is not a wasteland.
    It is no real privation to live freely there for 18 months.

    Not compared with face masks, lockdowns, and the collapse of many businesses.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    DavidL said:

    Looks like sailed through Crimean territorial waters:

    https://twitter.com/OilSheppard/status/1407709263959625736?s=20

    That's erm, provocative. Why exactly would we want to do that?
    Because like most of the rest of the planet we think they're Ukrainian territorial waters.....
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513

    alex_ said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/23/brexit-has-weakened-and-isolated-the-uk-says-eu-vaccine-chief

    I get that the Guardian don’t like Brexit but I find it bizarre this continued push to try to claim that the U.K. vaccine effort is somehow failing compared to the EU, based on (it seems) a relative slow down among non vulnerable groups, Germany being a bigger country than the U.K. and the U.K. not being able to source 100% of its vaccines from within its borders (from a complete standing start). And the latter even in the context of the EU taking AZ to court to secure a supply of vaccines from out with the EU!

    Moreover, Britain was excluded from the EU recovery plan: “If the UK was still in the EU, it would have benefited from perhaps £45bn of collective EU money ... It’s hard to see how one country on its own can fare better than many, together.”

    Is he suggesting that the UK would have been a net beneficiary?

    He and Boris, two cheeks... etc.

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,314
    Andy_JS said:

    I'm guessing next time India will be requesting that the world test final is played on the sub-continent.

    They should arrange the date and venue, when they know who the teams will be. Neutral ground.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,314
    Nigelb said:

    TimT said:

    sarissa said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is a pretty remarkable result, and could transform agriculture.

    Photovoltaic-driven microbial protein production can use land and sunlight more efficiently than conventional crops
    https://www.pnas.org/content/118/26/e2015025118
    ...Microbial biomass can be cultivated to yield protein-rich feed and food supplements, collectively termed single-cell protein (SCP). Yet, we still lack a quantitative comparison between traditional agriculture and photovoltaic-driven SCP systems in terms of land use and energetic efficiency. Here, we analyze the energetic efficiency of harnessing solar energy to produce SCP from air and water. Our model includes photovoltaic electricity generation, direct air capture of carbon dioxide, electrosynthesis of an electron donor and/or carbon source for microbial growth (hydrogen, formate, or methanol), microbial cultivation, and the processing of biomass and proteins. We show that, per unit of land, SCP production can reach an over 10-fold higher protein yield and at least twice the caloric yield compared with any staple crop. Altogether, this quantitative analysis offers an assessment of the future potential of photovoltaic-driven microbial foods to supplement conventional agricultural production and support resource-efficient protein supply on a global scale...

    Soylent Green is People!!
    @ Nigelb. A friend has me looking at investments in a particular company's vertical farming. Sealed 5000 m2 unit, fully automated, 30+ layers, producing unbelievable yields of leafy greens. Can be built on brown sites in inner cities/inner 'burbs to reduce transport costs, grow to order for local supermarkets and restaurants; high energy and water efficiency, no pesticides. Pretty cool.
    is that Musk's brother's outfit ?
    Does make a good deal of sense in the right locations, especially as energy gets cheaper. Middle East is a massive potential market.
    There’s billions of dollars being invested in vertical farming in the Middle East. Israel and UAE leading the charge.

    One of the early investors - Emirates Flight Catering.
    https://gulfnews.com/technology/worlds-largest-vertical-farming-facility-in-dubai-1.2242405
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    BBC reporting that sweeping new restrictions are being introduced across Sydney as a fast growing new outbreak develops with no entry to Sydney and residents largely banned from leaving the city

    The Health minister describes it as a very real and present danger

    It is apparently a Delta covid variant

    It does make you wonder if this new Delta variant of concern, just discovered, is a real threat to vaccines

    I can't see how Australia is ever going to escape from this situation.
    The same way as everyone else?
    But later.

    Spoke to a mate of mine in Brisbane. He is furious. Joked that it will be 2023 before he gets his jab.

    Meanwhile they are in a prison which was supposed to keep them safe. But hasn't. Absolutely fucking miserable.

    I'd rather be us.
    My 86 yo Dad is hoping to get his jab in NZ soon.

    My family are quite happy as life has proceeded v largely as normal for the past 18 months, save the ability to travel overseas.
    I hear you.

    There are many reasons why for me that would be far from normal, being trapped in the country forbidden to leave or enter. But I can see that for many people as long as they could go to the pub or shops or have people over everything would seem fine.

    For certain PB-ers, where no one is allowed to arrive or leave especially on holiday I imagine it is like living in some kind of wet dream.

    Not for me tho'.
    The travel restrictions are particularly tough on men of the world. They have to be just men for a while. Which is easier said than done.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,209
    eek said:

    moonshine said:

    More than 150 workers at a Houston hospital system have resigned or been fired after refusing to get a COVID-19 vaccine.

    Houston Methodist told its employees in April that they had to get vaccinated by 7 June, the first major US healthcare system to make the jabs compulsory.

    Some 178 people refused and were suspended without pay for two weeks.

    During that time, 153 of the group, who still refused, either resigned or were fired.

    Also in June, 117 employees took the hospital system to court over the requirement, saying their situation was similar to the medical experiments performed on unwilling victims in Nazi concentration camps during the Second World War.

    But on 12 June US District Judge Lynn Hughes threw the case out and said the comparison to concentration camp medical experiments was "reprehensible".

    She also said that the employees' lawsuit had falsely claimed the vaccines were experimental and dangerous.

    If the employees did not like the vaccine rule, they could work elsewhere, the judge added.

    https://news.sky.com/story/more-than-150-hospital-workers-lose-their-jobs-after-refusing-to-get-covid-19-vaccine-in-houston-12339593

    What to make of Morgan Stanley. “Back at your desk by September or you’re fired”.
    Now combined with “entry to our building is prohibited unless you can prove two vaccines received”.

    They’re gonna get sued aren’t they
    It's almost like Morgan Stanley are happy to be a test case
    Just sack anyone not jabbed.
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