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  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,149

    darkage said:

    Does anyone remember “Oranjeboom” a lager from iirc late 70s? I have, for no discernible reason, the adverts theme song stuck in my head now. Which, given the lyrics, is rather inapt.

    Its still around, one of those odd unremarkable beers that you see occasionally in an off licence.
    Good grief!
    I remember it as pretty terrible but may try and hunt it down and give it another chance.
    Ta!
    It sounds like the kind of name that could get decolonialised.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,011
    slade said:

    Settling down for a long night with an unusual bottle of wine - a Bourret from Virgile Joly. Another unusual as backup - a Basque white.

    I'm sorry, but a four-pack of Oranjeboom purchased from the local Spar is the only acceptable beverage for PBers this evening.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited June 2021
    algarkirk said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @e_casalicchio: BREAKING: Edwin Poots has announced that there will be a fresh DUP leadership election. He's standing down.

    One tiny hint that NI unionism has rendered itself unsustainable in the long run. Brexit will lead one day to Irish reunification - and a very good thing too. Instead of two nations run by mutually hating religious bigots, one tolerant nation run by centrist secular political parties. We can but hope.

    Utter rubbish, the DUP is in trouble as it has lost votes to the even harder line Traditional Unionist Voice.

    If the new DUP leader is a true and genuine hardliner and collapses the Northern Irish Executive over the Irish Language SF demands and over the Irish Sea Border as Poots failed to do that may not help co operation with SF but it could boost the DUP if they also win back votes lost to the TUV as a result.

    The UUP meanwhile has elected the moderate Doug Beattie to win back centrists from the Alliance so Unionism is a wide spectrum.

    Loyalists will never, never, never accept rule by Dublin! At most the Catholic majority Fermanagh and Tyrone and Derry and Armargh and West Belfast may unite with Ireland, never Antrim, East Londonderry or most of Down and East Belfast
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,595

    UK cases by specimen date

    image

    Looks like more places in the south-west and north-east entering the sharp increase phase than places in the north-west entering the decrease phase.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,434
    Maybe he didn't want to work the slot but Alistair Stewart is the sort of guy you want in the 9pm prime slot and Dan Wootton, if we must have him, in the 11pm slot.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,385

    The other problem Andrew Neil/GB News will have is that they are using Sky Media to sell their ads, so advertisers go through that arm of Sky TV.

    It is very easy for advertisers to stop advertising on GB News without a ban.

    Just need to tweak their demographic/viewer targets.

    Which is fair enough. If GB News delivers an audience that doesn’t match the required demographic then it is pointless advertising there.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Sandpit said:

    They’re the gold standard for pro DJ headphones, but have now realised that targetting the consumer biz means making stuff down to a price, and they’re fed up with turning out crap.

    I have a pair of HD-25 in my toolkit, but the most amazing headphones I ever heard were Beyer DT480s which haven't been made for 30 odd years. Sennheiser 416T into a Nagra 4 and it was completely transparent. Eerie in fact.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454
    Fenman said:

    I think the Tories will win easily in C&A

    Do you have any basis for your opinion?
    Nope. I pulled it out of my arse to be honest. Just a feeling. Clearly the local knowledge from @gettingbetter suggests otherwise, which is interesting.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    Poots lasted 20 days as DUP leader. That’s almost as old as he thinks the earth is.

    https://twitter.com/mattuthompson/status/1405620618809204739
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,992
    Scott_xP said:

    Sandpit said:

    They’re the gold standard for pro DJ headphones, but have now realised that targetting the consumer biz means making stuff down to a price, and they’re fed up with turning out crap.

    I have a pair of HD-25 in my toolkit, but the most amazing headphones I ever heard were Beyer DT480s which haven't been made for 30 odd years. Sennheiser 416T into a Nagra 4 and it was completely transparent. Eerie in fact.
    HD-650s ....they are the nuts.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Delta is gonna be rampaging around unvaxed Europe and America, this summer. Or have I got something wrong?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496
    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @e_casalicchio: BREAKING: Edwin Poots has announced that there will be a fresh DUP leadership election. He's standing down.

    One tiny hint that NI unionism has rendered itself unsustainable in the long run. Brexit will lead one day to Irish reunification - and a very good thing too. Instead of two nations run by mutually hating religious bigots, one tolerant nation run by centrist secular political parties. We can but hope.

    Utter rubbish, the DUP is in trouble as it has lost votes to the even harder line Traditional Unionist Voice.

    If the new DUP leader is a true hardliner and collapses the Northern Irish Executive over the Irish Language SF demands and over the Irish Sea Border as Poots failed to do that may not help co operation with SF but it could boost the DUP if they also win votes lost to the TUV as a result.

    The UUP meanwhile has elected the moderate Doug Beattie to win back centrists from the Alliance so Unionism is a wide spectrum.

    Loyalists will never, never, never accept rule by Dublin! At most the Catholic majority Fermanagh and Tyrone and Derry and Armargh and West Belfast may unite with Ireland, never Antrim, East Londonderry or most of Down and East Belfast
    Yes, it's one of those things that will never happen until it does. Like the Anglo Irish Agreement, the GFA, the dethroning of the theocratic state in RoI, the waning of Protestant fundamentalism.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    Scott_xP said:

    Sandpit said:

    They’re the gold standard for pro DJ headphones, but have now realised that targetting the consumer biz means making stuff down to a price, and they’re fed up with turning out crap.

    I have a pair of HD-25 in my toolkit, but the most amazing headphones I ever heard were Beyer DT480s which haven't been made for 30 odd years. Sennheiser 416T into a Nagra 4 and it was completely transparent. Eerie in fact.
    Audio kit really hasn’t changed in a long time. Every nightclub still has Shure SM58 microphones and Technics SL1210 record players.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    Leon said:

    Delta is gonna be rampaging around unvaxed Europe and America, this summer. Or have I got something wrong?

    Just the avoid the South/Republican states of America and visiting America will be fine.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454
    A lot of people in my firm use the blur background feature in Teams and it looks awful to be honest
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,992
    edited June 2021
    Michie...I want to see population wide behavioural and culture shifts....i want to see cities redesigned...public transport changed...

    The horror ringing through me when I hear that. And this is from a paper she is doing for SAGE.

    You would never know she was a communist.

    Boris will shortly be announcing this crap if we aren't careful.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    edited June 2021
    Two of the channels that get high advertising rates despite relatively low viewers are Manchester United TV and Liverpool FC TV.

    If you really love those two clubs you're paying to watch them then you'll buy stuff advertised on that channel because of a halo effect.

    And yes, I subscribe to LFCTV.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760

    The other problem Andrew Neil/GB News will have is that they are using Sky Media to sell their ads, so advertisers go through that arm of Sky TV.

    It is very easy for advertisers to stop advertising on GB News without a ban.

    Just need to tweak their demographic/viewer targets.

    Buyers will bulk buy audiences, but on the Sky platform it’s very hard to opt out of a channel, so if you’re buying upmarket Males you’ll get GB News and various other Channels. Sky programming does few impacts so you need to advertise far and wide to deliver your revenues unless you’re a small budget direct advertiser. It’s much harder to for a big company to opt out of GB News than it is to opt in unless you’re solely buying young audiences - and Sky is not so great at delivering these as they have an ageing subscriber demographic.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    2-0 holland
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    algarkirk said:

    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @e_casalicchio: BREAKING: Edwin Poots has announced that there will be a fresh DUP leadership election. He's standing down.

    One tiny hint that NI unionism has rendered itself unsustainable in the long run. Brexit will lead one day to Irish reunification - and a very good thing too. Instead of two nations run by mutually hating religious bigots, one tolerant nation run by centrist secular political parties. We can but hope.

    Utter rubbish, the DUP is in trouble as it has lost votes to the even harder line Traditional Unionist Voice.

    If the new DUP leader is a true hardliner and collapses the Northern Irish Executive over the Irish Language SF demands and over the Irish Sea Border as Poots failed to do that may not help co operation with SF but it could boost the DUP if they also win votes lost to the TUV as a result.

    The UUP meanwhile has elected the moderate Doug Beattie to win back centrists from the Alliance so Unionism is a wide spectrum.

    Loyalists will never, never, never accept rule by Dublin! At most the Catholic majority Fermanagh and Tyrone and Derry and Armargh and West Belfast may unite with Ireland, never Antrim, East Londonderry or most of Down and East Belfast
    Yes, it's one of those things that will never happen until it does. Like the Anglo Irish Agreement, the GFA, the dethroning of the theocratic state in RoI, the waning of Protestant fundamentalism.
    It will never happen full stop, as loyalists would fight and declare UDI rather than accept DUP rule.

    In the words of the late Reverand Paisley

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8W6dZW218c

    In any case according to a poll this week 53% of Northern Irish voters still want to stay in the UK (including 17% of Catholics and 48% of those of no religion) and only 30% of Northern Irish voters want a United Ireland

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/new-border-poll-survey-reveals-53-of-people-in-ni-want-to-stay-in-the-uk-40531085.html
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990

    HD-650s ....they are the nuts.

    I think I have a pair, somewhere. The Sennheiser rep gave me a pair
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @e_casalicchio: BREAKING: Edwin Poots has announced that there will be a fresh DUP leadership election. He's standing down.

    One tiny hint that NI unionism has rendered itself unsustainable in the long run. Brexit will lead one day to Irish reunification - and a very good thing too. Instead of two nations run by mutually hating religious bigots, one tolerant nation run by centrist secular political parties. We can but hope.

    Utter rubbish, the DUP is in trouble as it has lost votes to the even harder line Traditional Unionist Voice.

    If the new DUP leader is a true hardliner and collapses the Northern Irish Executive over the Irish Language SF demands and over the Irish Sea Border as Poots failed to do that may not help co operation with SF but it could boost the DUP if they also win votes lost to the TUV as a result.

    The UUP meanwhile has elected the moderate Doug Beattie to win back centrists from the Alliance so Unionism is a wide spectrum.

    Loyalists will never, never, never accept rule by Dublin! At most the Catholic majority Fermanagh and Tyrone and Derry and Armargh and West Belfast may unite with Ireland, never Antrim, East Londonderry or most of Down and East Belfast
    Yes, it's one of those things that will never happen until it does. Like the Anglo Irish Agreement, the GFA, the dethroning of the theocratic state in RoI, the waning of Protestant fundamentalism.
    It will never happen full stop, as loyalists would fight and declare UDI rather than accept DUP rule.

    In the words of the late Reverand Paisley

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8W6dZW218c

    In any case according to a poll this week 53% of Northern Irish voters still want to stay in the UK (including 17% of Catholics and 48% of those of no religion) and only 30% of Northern Irish voters want a United Ireland

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/new-border-poll-survey-reveals-53-of-people-in-ni-want-to-stay-in-the-uk-40531085.html
    Polls change as do people's minds.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,992
    edited June 2021

    Two of the channels that get high advertising rates despite relatively low viewers are Manchester United TV and Liverpool FC TV.

    If you really love those two clubs you're paying to watch them then you'll buy stuff advertised on that channel because of a halo effect.

    And yes, I subscribe to LFCTV.

    That happens on YouTube, some really weird niche categories get massive CPM, so some getting 100k views per video are raking it in. Where as other topics, if you aren't doing millions, you might as well be flipping burgers.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454
    HYUFD said:

    It will never happen full stop, as loyalists would fight and declare UDI rather than accept DUP rule.

    In the words of the late Reverand Paisley

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8W6dZW218c

    Doubt it mate. It isn't the early 1900s anymore. Kids too busy playing PS5 to care.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,992
    I am waiting for TSE to tell us but what about the Apple headphones...they are really good... ;-)
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Sandpit said:

    Audio kit really hasn’t changed in a long time. Every nightclub still has Shure SM58 microphones and Technics SL1210 record players.

    Except they will now plug into a digital mixer
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454

    I am waiting for TSE to tell us but what about the Apple headphones...they are really good... ;-)

    Angela Rayner approved
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    edited June 2021

    I am waiting for TSE to tell us but what about the Apple headphones...they are really good... ;-)

    I do need* some new headphones.

    These are coming out soon, I'm not sure whether to get these.

    https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MJ503ZM/A/beats-studio-buds-true-wireless-noise-cancelling-earphones-beats-red

    I refuse to get the Airpods Max.

    *I have really used my powerbeats pro to the max.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921

    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @e_casalicchio: BREAKING: Edwin Poots has announced that there will be a fresh DUP leadership election. He's standing down.

    One tiny hint that NI unionism has rendered itself unsustainable in the long run. Brexit will lead one day to Irish reunification - and a very good thing too. Instead of two nations run by mutually hating religious bigots, one tolerant nation run by centrist secular political parties. We can but hope.

    Utter rubbish, the DUP is in trouble as it has lost votes to the even harder line Traditional Unionist Voice.

    If the new DUP leader is a true hardliner and collapses the Northern Irish Executive over the Irish Language SF demands and over the Irish Sea Border as Poots failed to do that may not help co operation with SF but it could boost the DUP if they also win votes lost to the TUV as a result.

    The UUP meanwhile has elected the moderate Doug Beattie to win back centrists from the Alliance so Unionism is a wide spectrum.

    Loyalists will never, never, never accept rule by Dublin! At most the Catholic majority Fermanagh and Tyrone and Derry and Armargh and West Belfast may unite with Ireland, never Antrim, East Londonderry or most of Down and East Belfast
    Yes, it's one of those things that will never happen until it does. Like the Anglo Irish Agreement, the GFA, the dethroning of the theocratic state in RoI, the waning of Protestant fundamentalism.
    It will never happen full stop, as loyalists would fight and declare UDI rather than accept DUP rule.

    In the words of the late Reverand Paisley

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8W6dZW218c

    In any case according to a poll this week 53% of Northern Irish voters still want to stay in the UK (including 17% of Catholics and 48% of those of no religion) and only 30% of Northern Irish voters want a United Ireland

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/new-border-poll-survey-reveals-53-of-people-in-ni-want-to-stay-in-the-uk-40531085.html
    Polls change as do people's minds.
    You will never change the minds of hardline loyalists, staying in the Union and Protestantism is their whole identity and reason for existing
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Third night of my Dildo Knappers Gazette Tour of E Anglia. Again: consistently brilliant food.

    Oysters, lobsters, pig cheek fritters with tarragon Mayo. Norfolk asparagus with confit egg, fantastic warm potted shrimp. Just sensational

    I’ve not eaten better in the EU in several years. Theory: You generally eat better in the UK than you do on the continent. There is greater variety on the high street and more imagination in the restaurants. And the ethnic food is vastly better
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921

    HYUFD said:

    It will never happen full stop, as loyalists would fight and declare UDI rather than accept DUP rule.

    In the words of the late Reverand Paisley

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8W6dZW218c

    Doubt it mate. It isn't the early 1900s anymore. Kids too busy playing PS5 to care.
    Nope, schoolboys are now leading loyalist violence over the Irish Sea border

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/apr/11/despair-fuels-the-flames-of-young-loyalist-anger-in-northern-ireland
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,992
    edited June 2021

    I am waiting for TSE to tell us but what about the Apple headphones...they are really good... ;-)

    I do need* some new headphones.

    These are coming out soon, I'm not sure whether to get these.

    https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MJ503ZM/A/beats-studio-buds-true-wireless-noise-cancelling-earphones-beats-red

    I refuse to get the Airpods Max.

    *I have really used my powerbeats pro to the max.
    Over priced shit....Apple are going to kill off the Beat brands fairly soon. Get the Sony ones, much better.

    Sony WF-1000XM4
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,901
    I bought a pair of Bowers & Wilkins PX7s when they were on offer. Fabulous things.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @e_casalicchio: BREAKING: Edwin Poots has announced that there will be a fresh DUP leadership election. He's standing down.

    One tiny hint that NI unionism has rendered itself unsustainable in the long run. Brexit will lead one day to Irish reunification - and a very good thing too. Instead of two nations run by mutually hating religious bigots, one tolerant nation run by centrist secular political parties. We can but hope.

    Utter rubbish, the DUP is in trouble as it has lost votes to the even harder line Traditional Unionist Voice.

    If the new DUP leader is a true hardliner and collapses the Northern Irish Executive over the Irish Language SF demands and over the Irish Sea Border as Poots failed to do that may not help co operation with SF but it could boost the DUP if they also win votes lost to the TUV as a result.

    The UUP meanwhile has elected the moderate Doug Beattie to win back centrists from the Alliance so Unionism is a wide spectrum.

    Loyalists will never, never, never accept rule by Dublin! At most the Catholic majority Fermanagh and Tyrone and Derry and Armargh and West Belfast may unite with Ireland, never Antrim, East Londonderry or most of Down and East Belfast
    Yes, it's one of those things that will never happen until it does. Like the Anglo Irish Agreement, the GFA, the dethroning of the theocratic state in RoI, the waning of Protestant fundamentalism.
    It will never happen full stop, as loyalists would fight and declare UDI rather than accept DUP rule.

    In the words of the late Reverand Paisley

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8W6dZW218c

    In any case according to a poll this week 53% of Northern Irish voters still want to stay in the UK (including 17% of Catholics and 48% of those of no religion) and only 30% of Northern Irish voters want a United Ireland

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/new-border-poll-survey-reveals-53-of-people-in-ni-want-to-stay-in-the-uk-40531085.html
    Polls change as do people's minds.
    You will never change the minds of hardline loyalists, staying in the Union and Protestantism is their whole identity and reason for existing
    Ian Paisley went from never never never to forming a partnership with Sinn Féin/IRA and making the IRA's former chief of staff his deputy first minister.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @e_casalicchio: BREAKING: Edwin Poots has announced that there will be a fresh DUP leadership election. He's standing down.

    One tiny hint that NI unionism has rendered itself unsustainable in the long run. Brexit will lead one day to Irish reunification - and a very good thing too. Instead of two nations run by mutually hating religious bigots, one tolerant nation run by centrist secular political parties. We can but hope.

    Utter rubbish, the DUP is in trouble as it has lost votes to the even harder line Traditional Unionist Voice.

    If the new DUP leader is a true hardliner and collapses the Northern Irish Executive over the Irish Language SF demands and over the Irish Sea Border as Poots failed to do that may not help co operation with SF but it could boost the DUP if they also win votes lost to the TUV as a result.

    The UUP meanwhile has elected the moderate Doug Beattie to win back centrists from the Alliance so Unionism is a wide spectrum.

    Loyalists will never, never, never accept rule by Dublin! At most the Catholic majority Fermanagh and Tyrone and Derry and Armargh and West Belfast may unite with Ireland, never Antrim, East Londonderry or most of Down and East Belfast
    Yes, it's one of those things that will never happen until it does. Like the Anglo Irish Agreement, the GFA, the dethroning of the theocratic state in RoI, the waning of Protestant fundamentalism.
    It will never happen full stop, as loyalists would fight and declare UDI rather than accept DUP rule.

    In the words of the late Reverand Paisley

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8W6dZW218c

    In any case according to a poll this week 53% of Northern Irish voters still want to stay in the UK (including 17% of Catholics and 48% of those of no religion) and only 30% of Northern Irish voters want a United Ireland

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/new-border-poll-survey-reveals-53-of-people-in-ni-want-to-stay-in-the-uk-40531085.html
    Polls change as do people's minds.
    You will never change the minds of hardline loyalists, staying in the Union and Protestantism is their whole identity and reason for existing
    Ian Paisley went from never never never to forming a partnership with Sinn Féin/IRA and making the IRA's former chief of staff his deputy first minister.
    On the basis of Northern Ireland staying in the UK and being the FM of a Northern Ireland still in the UK
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    It will never happen full stop, as loyalists would fight and declare UDI rather than accept DUP rule.

    In the words of the late Reverand Paisley

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8W6dZW218c

    Doubt it mate. It isn't the early 1900s anymore. Kids too busy playing PS5 to care.
    Nope, schoolboys are now leading loyalist violence over the Irish Sea border

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/apr/11/despair-fuels-the-flames-of-young-loyalist-anger-in-northern-ireland
    That doesn't mean they're going to pick up some AK-47s and start a civil war again
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    It will never happen full stop, as loyalists would fight and declare UDI rather than accept DUP rule.

    In the words of the late Reverand Paisley

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8W6dZW218c

    Doubt it mate. It isn't the early 1900s anymore. Kids too busy playing PS5 to care.
    Nope, schoolboys are now leading loyalist violence over the Irish Sea border

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/apr/11/despair-fuels-the-flames-of-young-loyalist-anger-in-northern-ireland
    That doesn't mean they're going to pick up some AK-47s and start a civil war again
    It was only the creation of Northern Ireland in the first place that avoided a decades long civil war in Ulster in 1922.

    If all loyalists are forced under Dublin rule against their consent I would not rule anything out
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,434
    Andrew Doyle is phenomenally good on GB News.

    Reasoned, measured, balanced but powerfully arguing his points.

    Very very good. Cut above the rest.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990

    Over priced shit....Apple are going to kill off the Beat brands fairly soon. Get the Sony ones, much better.

    HYUFD said:

    You will never change the minds of hardline loyalists

    Oh, wait, I think I crossed the streams there...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @e_casalicchio: BREAKING: Edwin Poots has announced that there will be a fresh DUP leadership election. He's standing down.

    One tiny hint that NI unionism has rendered itself unsustainable in the long run. Brexit will lead one day to Irish reunification - and a very good thing too. Instead of two nations run by mutually hating religious bigots, one tolerant nation run by centrist secular political parties. We can but hope.

    Utter rubbish, the DUP is in trouble as it has lost votes to the even harder line Traditional Unionist Voice.

    If the new DUP leader is a true hardliner and collapses the Northern Irish Executive over the Irish Language SF demands and over the Irish Sea Border as Poots failed to do that may not help co operation with SF but it could boost the DUP if they also win votes lost to the TUV as a result.

    The UUP meanwhile has elected the moderate Doug Beattie to win back centrists from the Alliance so Unionism is a wide spectrum.

    Loyalists will never, never, never accept rule by Dublin! At most the Catholic majority Fermanagh and Tyrone and Derry and Armargh and West Belfast may unite with Ireland, never Antrim, East Londonderry or most of Down and East Belfast
    Yes, it's one of those things that will never happen until it does. Like the Anglo Irish Agreement, the GFA, the dethroning of the theocratic state in RoI, the waning of Protestant fundamentalism.
    It will never happen full stop, as loyalists would fight and declare UDI rather than accept DUP rule.

    In the words of the late Reverand Paisley

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8W6dZW218c

    In any case according to a poll this week 53% of Northern Irish voters still want to stay in the UK (including 17% of Catholics and 48% of those of no religion) and only 30% of Northern Irish voters want a United Ireland

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/new-border-poll-survey-reveals-53-of-people-in-ni-want-to-stay-in-the-uk-40531085.html
    Polls change as do people's minds.
    You will never change the minds of hardline loyalists, staying in the Union and Protestantism is their whole identity and reason for existing
    Ian Paisley went from never never never to forming a partnership with Sinn Féin/IRA and making the IRA's former chief of staff his deputy first minister.
    On the basis of Northern Ireland staying in the UK and being the FM of a Northern Ireland still in the UK
    Yeah right, he used to say the NI assembly was the gateway to a united Ireland and why he campaigned against it.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    Looks like countries that primarily used Pfizer will have the best outcomes . Clearly it’s a superior vaccine to AZ especially against the Delta variant.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585

    I am waiting for TSE to tell us but what about the Apple headphones...they are really good... ;-)

    I do need* some new headphones.

    These are coming out soon, I'm not sure whether to get these.

    https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MJ503ZM/A/beats-studio-buds-true-wireless-noise-cancelling-earphones-beats-red

    I refuse to get the Airpods Max.

    *I have really used my powerbeats pro to the max.
    The Beats stuff is really crap. Sony and Bose are both much better.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @e_casalicchio: BREAKING: Edwin Poots has announced that there will be a fresh DUP leadership election. He's standing down.

    One tiny hint that NI unionism has rendered itself unsustainable in the long run. Brexit will lead one day to Irish reunification - and a very good thing too. Instead of two nations run by mutually hating religious bigots, one tolerant nation run by centrist secular political parties. We can but hope.

    Utter rubbish, the DUP is in trouble as it has lost votes to the even harder line Traditional Unionist Voice.

    If the new DUP leader is a true hardliner and collapses the Northern Irish Executive over the Irish Language SF demands and over the Irish Sea Border as Poots failed to do that may not help co operation with SF but it could boost the DUP if they also win votes lost to the TUV as a result.

    The UUP meanwhile has elected the moderate Doug Beattie to win back centrists from the Alliance so Unionism is a wide spectrum.

    Loyalists will never, never, never accept rule by Dublin! At most the Catholic majority Fermanagh and Tyrone and Derry and Armargh and West Belfast may unite with Ireland, never Antrim, East Londonderry or most of Down and East Belfast
    Yes, it's one of those things that will never happen until it does. Like the Anglo Irish Agreement, the GFA, the dethroning of the theocratic state in RoI, the waning of Protestant fundamentalism.
    It will never happen full stop, as loyalists would fight and declare UDI rather than accept DUP rule.

    In the words of the late Reverand Paisley

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8W6dZW218c

    In any case according to a poll this week 53% of Northern Irish voters still want to stay in the UK (including 17% of Catholics and 48% of those of no religion) and only 30% of Northern Irish voters want a United Ireland

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/new-border-poll-survey-reveals-53-of-people-in-ni-want-to-stay-in-the-uk-40531085.html
    Polls change as do people's minds.
    You will never change the minds of hardline loyalists, staying in the Union and Protestantism is their whole identity and reason for existing
    Ian Paisley went from never never never to forming a partnership with Sinn Féin/IRA and making the IRA's former chief of staff his deputy first minister.
    On the basis of Northern Ireland staying in the UK and being the FM of a Northern Ireland still in the UK
    Yeah right, he used to say the NI assembly was the gateway to a united Ireland and why he campaigned against it.
    It could have been, the whole point of the GFA was it enshrined the fact that a United Ireland could not come about without the clear consent of a majority of Northern Irish voters which the latest polling shows quite clearly there is not consent for.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631

    I am waiting for TSE to tell us but what about the Apple headphones...they are really good... ;-)

    I do need* some new headphones.

    These are coming out soon, I'm not sure whether to get these.

    https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MJ503ZM/A/beats-studio-buds-true-wireless-noise-cancelling-earphones-beats-red

    I refuse to get the Airpods Max.

    *I have really used my powerbeats pro to the max.
    Over priced shit....Apple are going to kill off the Beat brands fairly soon. Get the Sony ones, much better.

    Sony WF-1000XM4
    I'm not keen on over ear ones like that.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    ...

    I am waiting for TSE to tell us but what about the Apple headphones...they are really good... ;-)

    I do need* some new headphones.

    These are coming out soon, I'm not sure whether to get these.

    https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MJ503ZM/A/beats-studio-buds-true-wireless-noise-cancelling-earphones-beats-red

    I refuse to get the Airpods Max.

    *I have really used my powerbeats pro to the max.
    Over priced shit....Apple are going to kill off the Beat brands fairly soon. Get the Sony ones, much better.

    Sony WF-1000XM4
    I use urbanears, about £30
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,992
    edited June 2021

    I am waiting for TSE to tell us but what about the Apple headphones...they are really good... ;-)

    I do need* some new headphones.

    These are coming out soon, I'm not sure whether to get these.

    https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MJ503ZM/A/beats-studio-buds-true-wireless-noise-cancelling-earphones-beats-red

    I refuse to get the Airpods Max.

    *I have really used my powerbeats pro to the max.
    Over priced shit....Apple are going to kill off the Beat brands fairly soon. Get the Sony ones, much better.

    Sony WF-1000XM4
    I'm not keen on over ear ones like that.
    No, they are in ear, buds

    https://www.businessinsider.com/sony-wf-1000xm4-earbuds-review

    You are thinkkng of the MX4s....which are over ear and great (they are the pair I use for travel...that weird thing we used to do).

    Sony have the most stupid naming conventions.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585

    Andrew Doyle is phenomenally good on GB News.

    Reasoned, measured, balanced but powerfully arguing his points.

    Very very good. Cut above the rest.

    Doyle is brilliant. He’s the guy behind Titania McGrath on Twitter.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    nico679 said:

    Looks like countries that primarily used Pfizer will have the best outcomes . Clearly it’s a superior vaccine to AZ especially against the Delta variant.

    I said wayback when Astra Zeneca partnered up with that third rate university that Pfizer would be better.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191

    UK cases by specimen date

    image

    Look at Cornwall. Impact of the G7 summit or is that too soon?
    Far too soon - unless it was the preparations (catering, security) that started things off.
    Yeah, the security teams are there well in advance.

    The Secret Service are something else.
    Chock full of covid by the looks of the case data.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    Scott_xP said:

    Over priced shit....Apple are going to kill off the Beat brands fairly soon. Get the Sony ones, much better.

    HYUFD said:

    You will never change the minds of hardline loyalists

    Oh, wait, I think I crossed the streams there...
    Wait until you heard Radiohead with some Airpods pro.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631

    I am waiting for TSE to tell us but what about the Apple headphones...they are really good... ;-)

    I do need* some new headphones.

    These are coming out soon, I'm not sure whether to get these.

    https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MJ503ZM/A/beats-studio-buds-true-wireless-noise-cancelling-earphones-beats-red

    I refuse to get the Airpods Max.

    *I have really used my powerbeats pro to the max.
    Over priced shit....Apple are going to kill off the Beat brands fairly soon. Get the Sony ones, much better.

    Sony WF-1000XM4
    I'm not keen on over ear ones like that.
    No, they are in ear, buds

    https://www.businessinsider.com/sony-wf-1000xm4-earbuds-review

    You are thinkkng of the MX4s....which are over ear and great (they are the pair I use for travel...that weird thing we used to do).
    Cheers, I'll have at look.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,716
    Alex von Tunzelmann
    @alexvtunzelmann
    ·
    2h
    Heads up for people in London over 25 who do not have an NHS number or ID documents - please get yourself a free NHS Pfizer jab in Mile End Park this Saturday, no questions asked 🙏
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,992
    Sandpit said:

    Andrew Doyle is phenomenally good on GB News.

    Reasoned, measured, balanced but powerfully arguing his points.

    Very very good. Cut above the rest.

    Doyle is brilliant. He’s the guy behind Titania McGrath on Twitter.
    Unfortunately he went to Oxford, so that's a no from me....
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Take back control

    The UK has asked the European Union to extend the grace period on chilled meats being sent from Great Britain to Northern Ireland.

    @KateEMcCann has the latest.


    Read more here: https://trib.al/KMHxd3s https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1405626365521629184/video/1
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191

    I think the Tories will win easily in C&A

    Not too easily I hope I've laid them over 55% on Smarkets.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802

    I am waiting for TSE to tell us but what about the Apple headphones...they are really good... ;-)

    I do need* some new headphones.

    These are coming out soon, I'm not sure whether to get these.

    https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MJ503ZM/A/beats-studio-buds-true-wireless-noise-cancelling-earphones-beats-red

    I refuse to get the Airpods Max.

    *I have really used my powerbeats pro to the max.
    Over priced shit....Apple are going to kill off the Beat brands fairly soon. Get the Sony ones, much better.

    Sony WF-1000XM4
    I'm not keen on over ear ones like that.
    Those are the new in-ear ones. They're really good for listening and noise cancelling. If you want to use them for calls then I'd recommend something else, the mic quality is just ok for the price.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275

    nico679 said:

    Looks like countries that primarily used Pfizer will have the best outcomes . Clearly it’s a superior vaccine to AZ especially against the Delta variant.

    I said wayback when Astra Zeneca partnered up with that third rate university that Pfizer would be better.
    The beatification of AZ was embarrassing. Saying anything critical of it was akin to slagging off the queen.
  • I am waiting for TSE to tell us but what about the Apple headphones...they are really good... ;-)

    I do need* some new headphones.

    These are coming out soon, I'm not sure whether to get these.

    https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MJ503ZM/A/beats-studio-buds-true-wireless-noise-cancelling-earphones-beats-red

    I refuse to get the Airpods Max.

    *I have really used my powerbeats pro to the max.
    Over priced shit....Apple are going to kill off the Beat brands fairly soon. Get the Sony ones, much better.

    Sony WF-1000XM4
    +1

    The Sony's are brilliant. I have a pair of WF-1000XM3's which are superb. Quite outstanding and the best noise cancelling earphones I've ever had. I have a pair on my head right now as I type. They're also very sturdy unlike a lot of others I've gone through. Bluetooth too of course which is so handy.

    I also have a separate pair of wired buds, the SoundMAGIC E10C's which are great value and which have lasted a long time. £25 which is sensational for the sound.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    MaxPB said:

    Those are the new in-ear ones. They're really good for listening and noise cancelling.

    Sennheiser's original noise cancelling headphones had the electronics in a separate box the size of a cigarette packet.

    Miniaturisation and Moore's law is a great thing
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    nico679 said:

    Looks like countries that primarily used Pfizer will have the best outcomes . Clearly it’s a superior vaccine to AZ especially against the Delta variant.

    It's hard for a layman to judge, but particularly given the cold storage issue has been dealt with the Pfizer vaccine really does seem to have been a mighty achievement, and it was first out of the gate to boot.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,561

    Alex von Tunzelmann
    @alexvtunzelmann
    ·
    2h
    Heads up for people in London over 25 who do not have an NHS number or ID documents - please get yourself a free NHS Pfizer jab in Mile End Park this Saturday, no questions asked 🙏

    If they have no ID, how do you know they are over 25? Just wonderin'....
  • glwglw Posts: 9,906
    Sandpit said:

    Audio kit really hasn’t changed in a long time. Every nightclub still has Shure SM58 microphones and Technics SL1210 record players.

    It's a tricky thing for the old audio equipment companies, they have been making the same things for decades in some cases, but they now compete with consumer electronic companies knocking out quite expensive headphones with annual "upgrades". I've got some Sennheiser HD580, and I doubt that I will ever find a worthwhile upgrade to them, they are essentially good enough to last a lifetime for all but the most pernickety listener.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,992
    edited June 2021
    If £300-400 headphones aren't for you, a cheap pair of over ear that is surprisingly good is DOQUAS on Amazon. I bought a pair just to ruin while sweating my balls off on the bike and was pleasantly surprised. I think they are £30.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    So where do the DUP go from here? I mean, they just elected a leader and he's out within weeks, making them look like a bunch of absolute cretins. SF nailed on for largest vote/party?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454
    kle4 said:

    So where do the DUP go from here? I mean, they just elected a leader and he's out within weeks, making them look like a bunch of absolute cretins. SF nailed on for largest vote/party?

    That would be a very funny outcome
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    Pulpstar said:

    UK cases by specimen date

    image

    Look at Cornwall. Impact of the G7 summit or is that too soon?
    Far too soon - unless it was the preparations (catering, security) that started things off.
    Yeah, the security teams are there well in advance.

    The Secret Service are something else.
    Chock full of covid by the looks of the case data.
    My friend's father worked at a very nice hotel which has hosted The Royals, politicians from round the world, rock star, pop stars, and films stars, he said the biggest pains in the arse were the US Secret Service and Prince Charles.

    The former were relentless and humourless whilst Prince Charles had so many requirements it was unbelievable, such as a certain type of toilet roll, set in such a way, sandwiches cut diagonally, not horizontally, whereas his parents were a blast, especially the Duke of Edinburgh.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,595
    nico679 said:

    Looks like countries that primarily used Pfizer will have the best outcomes . Clearly it’s a superior vaccine to AZ especially against the Delta variant.

    You need to see what happens when more countries get Delta.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    If £300-400 headphones aren't for you, a cheap pair of over ear that is surprisingly good is DOQUAS on Amazon. I bought a pair just to ruin while sweating my balls off on the bike and was pleasantly surprised.

    There are some things I'm willing to pay more for and some I'm not - when I see prices like that for headphones I just cannot conceive of a quality level high enough to justify it. Maybe my ears aren't good enough to appreciate it.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,288
    Leon said:

    Third night of my Dildo Knappers Gazette Tour of E Anglia. Again: consistently brilliant food.

    Oysters, lobsters, pig cheek fritters with tarragon Mayo. Norfolk asparagus with confit egg, fantastic warm potted shrimp. Just sensational

    I’ve not eaten better in the EU in several years. Theory: You generally eat better in the UK than you do on the continent. There is greater variety on the high street and more imagination in the restaurants. And the ethnic food is vastly better

    At home Ocado are now stocking Norfolk Samphire. Superb fried off, then mixing in and frying / steam basting eggs in the juice. Set me nicely for lunch for the last few weekends.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    MaxPB said:

    I am waiting for TSE to tell us but what about the Apple headphones...they are really good... ;-)

    I do need* some new headphones.

    These are coming out soon, I'm not sure whether to get these.

    https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MJ503ZM/A/beats-studio-buds-true-wireless-noise-cancelling-earphones-beats-red

    I refuse to get the Airpods Max.

    *I have really used my powerbeats pro to the max.
    Over priced shit....Apple are going to kill off the Beat brands fairly soon. Get the Sony ones, much better.

    Sony WF-1000XM4
    I'm not keen on over ear ones like that.
    Those are the new in-ear ones. They're really good for listening and noise cancelling. If you want to use them for calls then I'd recommend something else, the mic quality is just ok for the price.
    Calls are important for my headphone choice.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    kle4 said:

    nico679 said:

    Looks like countries that primarily used Pfizer will have the best outcomes . Clearly it’s a superior vaccine to AZ especially against the Delta variant.

    It's hard for a layman to judge, but particularly given the cold storage issue has been dealt with the Pfizer vaccine really does seem to have been a mighty achievement, and it was first out of the gate to boot.
    As has been said, the best vaccine is the one you’ve got. If we hadn’t used AZ where would we be with vaccination? I think against original Covid AZ is as good as Pfizer, but there look to be differences against some of the variants. However I would avoid judging too soo as AZ takes time to build immunity and the delta variant has not been here that long. It’s not clear why the different method of showing the body the exact same spike protein should give different responses in the long run, and we should beware judging just on neutralising antibodies alone.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,992
    edited June 2021
    kle4 said:

    If £300-400 headphones aren't for you, a cheap pair of over ear that is surprisingly good is DOQUAS on Amazon. I bought a pair just to ruin while sweating my balls off on the bike and was pleasantly surprised.

    There are some things I'm willing to pay more for and some I'm not - when I see prices like that for headphones I just cannot conceive of a quality level high enough to justify it. Maybe my ears aren't good enough to appreciate it.
    Oh they are... especially really good noise cancelling, is just game changing. Anymore than that, then I thinks its horseshit.

    Outside Sennheiser, Sony, Apple and Bose, nobody really has the noise cancelling tech cracked.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    kle4 said:

    So where do the DUP go from here? I mean, they just elected a leader and he's out within weeks, making them look like a bunch of absolute cretins. SF nailed on for largest vote/party?

    The latest Northern Ireland poll is SF 25%, DUP 16%, Alliance 16%, UUP 14%, SDLP 12% and TUV 11%.

    So the DUP need to pick an ultra hardliner who can ratchet up opposition to the Irish Sea Border to win back voters lost to the TUV as combined the DUP and TUV would be on 27% ie more than SF on 25%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Northern_Ireland_Assembly_election
  • Cocky_cockneyCocky_cockney Posts: 760
    edited June 2021

    kle4 said:

    If £300-400 headphones aren't for you, a cheap pair of over ear that is surprisingly good is DOQUAS on Amazon. I bought a pair just to ruin while sweating my balls off on the bike and was pleasantly surprised.

    There are some things I'm willing to pay more for and some I'm not - when I see prices like that for headphones I just cannot conceive of a quality level high enough to justify it. Maybe my ears aren't good enough to appreciate it.
    Oh they are... especially the noise cancelling, is just game changing. Anymore than that, then I thinks its horseshit.
    Yeah the noise cancelling on the Sony's is just fantastic. Someone mentioned travel. These block out all the noise on board an aircraft. Trains likewise. They're bliss.

    Bluetooth calling all works with iPhones too if you still want the world to interrupt your pleasure.

    Can't recommend them too highly. Next time around I will buy the same again.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Jeffrey Donaldson likely to be elected in his place. More moderate on social issues, in Arlene Foster camp, but won’t make much difference to NI Protocol row as DUP will still oppose it

    https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1405629187231207425?s=20
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,716
    Rachel Clarke
    @doctor_oxford
    ·
    3h
    As Dido Harding - astoundingly - applies to run
    @NHSEngland
    , John Major’s words about Gove & Johnson have never been more pertinent:

    “The NHS is about as safe with them as a pet hamster would be with a hungry python.”
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,215

    Andrew Doyle is phenomenally good on GB News.

    Reasoned, measured, balanced but powerfully arguing his points.

    Very very good. Cut above the rest.

    Andrew Doyle is superb - I'm always impressed by the guy. Cracking intellect. Strong liberal - if only he was a Libdem MP. Just the sort of guy we need in politics.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,561
    I heard yesterday The Groucho has been closed by Covid.

    A moment's silence, for Roger's pain....
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    There was an old man called Poots,
    One of those funny old coots,
    He put on Arlene's heels,
    To see how it feels,
    But his feet were too small for her boots.


    https://twitter.com/timothy_stanley/status/1405629032775962630?s=20
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921

    Jeffrey Donaldson likely to be elected in his place. More moderate on social issues, in Arlene Foster camp, but won’t make much difference to NI Protocol row as DUP will still oppose it

    https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1405629187231207425?s=20

    They have to up their opposition to the NI Protocol to win back voters lost to TUV whoever is their new leader
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    HYUFD said:

    Jeffrey Donaldson likely to be elected in his place. More moderate on social issues, in Arlene Foster camp, but won’t make much difference to NI Protocol row as DUP will still oppose it

    https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1405629187231207425?s=20

    They have to up their opposition to the NI Protocol to win back voters lost to TUV whoever is their new leader
    How much more 'up' can their opposition be? The way things get reported they all seem to be operating at about 11 out of 10 on the outrage scale.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207



    Has this bantz been posted?

    Oh fair play - nicely done sir
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Conservatives were so worried about the seat, I'm told both Theresa May and 1922 cttee chairman Graham Brady were both out knocking on doors to get the Tory vote out today.
    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1405630686837592069
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    nico679 said:

    Looks like countries that primarily used Pfizer will have the best outcomes . Clearly it’s a superior vaccine to AZ especially against the Delta variant.

    I said wayback when Astra Zeneca partnered up with that third rate university that Pfizer would be better.
    AZ didn't partner with Cambridge. Oh wait, you said third-rate, not complete waste of space.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191

    kle4 said:

    nico679 said:

    Looks like countries that primarily used Pfizer will have the best outcomes . Clearly it’s a superior vaccine to AZ especially against the Delta variant.

    It's hard for a layman to judge, but particularly given the cold storage issue has been dealt with the Pfizer vaccine really does seem to have been a mighty achievement, and it was first out of the gate to boot.
    As has been said, the best vaccine is the one you’ve got. If we hadn’t used AZ where would we be with vaccination? I think against original Covid AZ is as good as Pfizer, but there look to be differences against some of the variants. However I would avoid judging too soo as AZ takes time to build immunity and the delta variant has not been here that long. It’s not clear why the different method of showing the body the exact same spike protein should give different responses in the long run, and we should beware judging just on neutralising antibodies alone.
    Derestrict and roll back through the ages (JCVI 1- 9) with a vaccine of a different type to the one originally given in my opinion; the good news is you only need to do everyone once. It's vaccinations not eternal restrictions on socialising that will beat this virus.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    HYUFD said:

    Jeffrey Donaldson likely to be elected in his place. More moderate on social issues, in Arlene Foster camp, but won’t make much difference to NI Protocol row as DUP will still oppose it

    https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1405629187231207425?s=20

    They have to up their opposition to the NI Protocol to win back voters lost to TUV whoever is their new leader
    Nobody voted for TUV at GE 2019.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    MrEd said:

    nico679 said:

    Looks like countries that primarily used Pfizer will have the best outcomes . Clearly it’s a superior vaccine to AZ especially against the Delta variant.

    I said wayback when Astra Zeneca partnered up with that third rate university that Pfizer would be better.
    AZ didn't partner with Cambridge. Oh wait, you said third-rate, not complete waste of space.
    Number of Nobel laureates.

    University of Cambridge: 110

    University of Oxford: 54
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,992
    BBC News - Euro 2020: Uefa warns teams could be fined if they move drinks at news conferences
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57517337
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    Polls are closed. Tories at 1.16 on Betfair, Libs on 6.6
  • glwglw Posts: 9,906
    nico679 said:

    Looks like countries that primarily used Pfizer will have the best outcomes . Clearly it’s a superior vaccine to AZ especially against the Delta variant.

    I don't think there is much difference after two jabs, a few percent or so, but there has been some evidence that AZ might give a longer duration effective immune response due to a greater T-cell response. So there's a difficult trade-off to be made between vaccines given, dose intervals, and the degree and duration of immunity. There's no one right answer, it really depends upon what you are trying to achieve. i.e. A quick response to snuff out a growing infection wave might point in a different direction from a strategy that is more concerned about long-term immunity.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    edited June 2021

    BBC News - Euro 2020: Uefa warns teams could be fined if they move drinks at news conferences
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57517337

    The next day, France midfielder Pogba, a practising Muslim, discreetly removed a bottle of Heineken beer.

    Christ on a bike, Paul Pogba is a better Muslim than me.

    Yes, I know that's a pretty low bar.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,992

    MrEd said:

    nico679 said:

    Looks like countries that primarily used Pfizer will have the best outcomes . Clearly it’s a superior vaccine to AZ especially against the Delta variant.

    I said wayback when Astra Zeneca partnered up with that third rate university that Pfizer would be better.
    AZ didn't partner with Cambridge. Oh wait, you said third-rate, not complete waste of space.
    Number of Nobel laureates.

    University of Cambridge: 110

    University of Oxford: 54
    Not that you are keeping score or anything....
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,627

    MrEd said:

    nico679 said:

    Looks like countries that primarily used Pfizer will have the best outcomes . Clearly it’s a superior vaccine to AZ especially against the Delta variant.

    I said wayback when Astra Zeneca partnered up with that third rate university that Pfizer would be better.
    AZ didn't partner with Cambridge. Oh wait, you said third-rate, not complete waste of space.
    Number of Nobel laureates.

    University of Cambridge: 110

    University of Oxford: 54
    The University of Oxford even gets beaten by France.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631

    MrEd said:

    nico679 said:

    Looks like countries that primarily used Pfizer will have the best outcomes . Clearly it’s a superior vaccine to AZ especially against the Delta variant.

    I said wayback when Astra Zeneca partnered up with that third rate university that Pfizer would be better.
    AZ didn't partner with Cambridge. Oh wait, you said third-rate, not complete waste of space.
    Number of Nobel laureates.

    University of Cambridge: 110

    University of Oxford: 54
    Not that you are keeping score or anything....
    I had the stats to hand, the other day I was mocking an Oxonian on Whatsapp.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,835
    Pro_Rata said:

    Leon said:

    Third night of my Dildo Knappers Gazette Tour of E Anglia. Again: consistently brilliant food.

    Oysters, lobsters, pig cheek fritters with tarragon Mayo. Norfolk asparagus with confit egg, fantastic warm potted shrimp. Just sensational

    I’ve not eaten better in the EU in several years. Theory: You generally eat better in the UK than you do on the continent. There is greater variety on the high street and more imagination in the restaurants. And the ethnic food is vastly better

    At home Ocado are now stocking Norfolk Samphire. Superb fried off, then mixing in and frying / steam basting eggs in the juice. Set me nicely for lunch for the last few weekends.
    Our door to door fish van stocks it too even here in SE Scotland (presumably also from Norfolk, though I don't actually know). Very tasty.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jeffrey Donaldson likely to be elected in his place. More moderate on social issues, in Arlene Foster camp, but won’t make much difference to NI Protocol row as DUP will still oppose it

    https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1405629187231207425?s=20

    They have to up their opposition to the NI Protocol to win back voters lost to TUV whoever is their new leader
    How much more 'up' can their opposition be? The way things get reported they all seem to be operating at about 11 out of 10 on the outrage scale.
    Probably they will have to leave the NI Executive until the Irish Sea border is removed unfortunately
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,218
    edited June 2021
    kle4 said:

    nico679 said:

    Looks like countries that primarily used Pfizer will have the best outcomes . Clearly it’s a superior vaccine to AZ especially against the Delta variant.

    It's hard for a layman to judge, but particularly given the cold storage issue has been dealt with the Pfizer vaccine really does seem to have been a mighty achievement, and it was first out of the gate to boot.
    And it looks like a technology which is very easy to adapt to other problems, and produce in huge quantities using the network Europe has developed. Whereas the OAZ vaccine is the swansong of a more traditional approach. The last great steam engine, when someone else has developed an electric TGV.

    And whilst the OAZ vaccine combined remarkable cleverness and humanity, that doesn't excuse the sales-production mismatch, or not doing trials in a way that ensured quick approval.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585

    BBC News - Euro 2020: Uefa warns teams could be fined if they move drinks at news conferences
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57517337

    LOL, fined how much? I’m sure the £300k a week players won’t care too much about fines.
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