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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,514
    Alistair said:

    Looks like Brillo is going to lay the smack down in 20 minutes:

    https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1405577713247821827?s=20

    Is he going to whine about people exercising free speech and free association?
    No, he's going to talk about how AIDS in hetrosexual people is a hoax.
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    CatManCatMan Posts: 2,774
    Just back from the local Spar, and can confirm they sell Oranjeboom.

    I would be happy to sample it for you all if you send me money :innocent:
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,981
    I think this could be a bit of a thrashing for the Austrians.
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    pingping Posts: 3,731
    Holland!!!
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,514
    ping said:

    Holland!!!

    The Netherlands, not Holland.
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    DavidL said:

    ping said:

    FT Belgium 2-1

    I think bringing on de Bruyne is a form of cheating. It just doesn't seem fair.
    Reminds me of the 2019 Cup Final.Watford were behind but still competitive, and then early in the second half Man City brought KdB on: Final score Man City 6 Watford 0.

    He is just the greatest player in the world at the moment, but there’s a humbleness about him that means that it’s not fully recognised.
    de Bruyne is the highest paid player in the EPL so someone recognises him.
    Saved himself 15% by not paying an agent tens of millions for a basic, if extremely valuable, contract negotiation.
    Paul Scholes was the same. Used the players union to do it for a flat fee iirc
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,514
    isam said:

    isam said:

    Just watching itv news - Three of the Police at Manchester Arena had popped out to the kebab shop whilst the killer wandered around with his bungalow sized back pack on. One of the security officers ignored a man who said the bomber was acting suspiciously.

    He had cased the joint the previous day and walked around the centre for hours on the day - the report is not good for the police or security

    People with bungalow sized backpacks and suitcases at the arena isn't an uncommon experience.

    You have to remember Victoria station is built into the arena, or rather the arena is built on top of the station. People often get off at Victoria on a regular basis, it has regular trains to and from the airport, as well as major intercity routes.

    It is also a major interlink for the tram.
    So it does. I am summarising the report, which says "the victims were failed on every level"

    "key findings:

    There was no BTP officer present in the foyer and "no satisfactory explanation" for this
    Two on-duty officers took a break of more than two hours, including a 10-mile round trip to buy kebabs

    Abedi hid in a CCTV blindspot which had existed for years. If addressed the attack could have been "disrupted or deterred or fewer people killed"

    Showsec was criticised for not ensuring staff properly checked the mezzanine where Abedi hid
    Counter-terrorism training given to stewards was a "significant failure"

    Risk assessments by SMG and Showsec were "inadequate"

    SMG and Showsec "failed to take steps to improve security at the arena that they should have taken"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-57511079
    They were failed but I was contextualising your comment about the bungalow sized backpack.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,952

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Just watching itv news - Three of the Police at Manchester Arena had popped out to the kebab shop whilst the killer wandered around with his bungalow sized back pack on. One of the security officers ignored a man who said the bomber was acting suspiciously.

    He had cased the joint the previous day and walked around the centre for hours on the day - the report is not good for the police or security

    People with bungalow sized backpacks and suitcases at the arena isn't an uncommon experience.

    You have to remember Victoria station is built into the arena, or rather the arena is built on top of the station. People often get off at Victoria on a regular basis, it has regular trains to and from the airport, as well as major intercity routes.

    It is also a major interlink for the tram.
    So it does. I am summarising the report, which says "the victims were failed on every level"

    "key findings:

    There was no BTP officer present in the foyer and "no satisfactory explanation" for this
    Two on-duty officers took a break of more than two hours, including a 10-mile round trip to buy kebabs

    Abedi hid in a CCTV blindspot which had existed for years. If addressed the attack could have been "disrupted or deterred or fewer people killed"

    Showsec was criticised for not ensuring staff properly checked the mezzanine where Abedi hid
    Counter-terrorism training given to stewards was a "significant failure"

    Risk assessments by SMG and Showsec were "inadequate"

    SMG and Showsec "failed to take steps to improve security at the arena that they should have taken"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-57511079
    They were failed but I was contextualising your comment about the bungalow sized backpack.
    Haha oh right of course!
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,436
    isam said:

    Just watching itv news - Three of the Police at Manchester Arena had popped out to the kebab shop whilst the killer wandered around with his bungalow sized back pack on. One of the security officers ignored a man who said the bomber was acting suspiciously.

    He had cased the joint the previous day and walked around the centre for hours on the day - the report is not good for the police or security

    It isn't but bear in mind the inquiry did acknowledge that if the bomber had been challenged, he'd probably have blown up whoever had taken him on. There are a lot of people and institutions whose behaviour can be condemned, and 22 people were murdered, most of them children, but most of the blame must lie with the bomber.

    Could MI5 have stopped him or has it strayed into a paradoxical world where intelligence yields too many leads? Have institutional failings been addressed? The inquiry has revealed that the police could not phone Manchester from London, and the security guard had no radio to talk to his control without leaving his post. But ultimately evil people commit evil acts and it is hard to stop them, even in hindsight.
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    CatMan said:

    Just back from the local Spar, and can confirm they sell Oranjeboom.

    I would be happy to sample it for you all if you send me money :innocent:

    A most magnanimous gesture.
    Spar? Are they still going in the UK? I saw one in, I think, Greece a couple of years ago but can’t recall seeing one here for a long time.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,914
    GBNews really need to ditch their Simplestream in favour of YouTube. The live stream is completely unwatchable tonight, but YT works fine for me.
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    pingping Posts: 3,731

    ping said:

    Holland!!!

    The Netherlands, not Holland.
    Pft who cares
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    isam said:

    Just watching itv news - Three of the Police at Manchester Arena had popped out to the kebab shop whilst the killer wandered around with his bungalow sized back pack on. One of the security officers ignored a man who said the bomber was acting suspiciously.

    He had cased the joint the previous day and walked around the centre for hours on the day - the report is not good for the police or security

    It isn't but bear in mind the inquiry did acknowledge that if the bomber had been challenged, he'd probably have blown up whoever had taken him on. There are a lot of people and institutions whose behaviour can be condemned, and 22 people were murdered, most of them children, but most of the blame must lie with the bomber.

    Could MI5 have stopped him or has it strayed into a paradoxical world where intelligence yields too many leads? Have institutional failings been addressed? The inquiry has revealed that the police could not phone Manchester from London, and the security guard had no radio to talk to his control without leaving his post. But ultimately evil people commit evil acts and it is hard to stop them, even in hindsight.
    I think police who were supposed to have a 40 min break but extended it to over 2 hours can fairly be criticised
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,514
    ping said:

    ping said:

    Holland!!!

    The Netherlands, not Holland.
    Pft who cares
    Plenty of people who don't live in the Holland region, some of them consider it offensive.

    Like saying England when you mean the UK.

    Or London when you mean England.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,224

    I think the Tories will win easily in C&A

    Cyclefree said:

    ping said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    FFS! Dido Harding has applied for the job as Head of NHS England.

    No doubt she will get it as a massive f*u to all of those of us who think Track and Not Trace was a homogenous mess.

    I'm mean no real health management experience so obviously no.1 on their list.
    It's not just the lack of health experience but that she's been fucking useless at every senior job she's held. A supermarket manager is about her level. Probably.
    I’m still pissed off with her over the talktalk hack.
    A giant Fuck You from Cressida - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/met-chief-dame-cressida-dick-wont-resign-police-corruption-qm09hhb9j.

    She's not even pretending to pay any attention to the report's findings. Rejects them and says she knows she is honourable and acted well throughout.

    So that's OK then. Let's not bother having investigations then. Or indeed trials. Or police come to that. Let's just have people announce that they did nothing wrong and ignore all evidence to the contrary.

    Honestly, a country which has people like Dido Harding and Cressida Dick in positions more senior than lavatory attendant is a country which has lost its moral compass.
    Look, I cannot see why Cressida Dick was appointed Commissioner. But the Daniel Morgan murder was in 1987 when Boris was chucking things through restaurant windows and posing for *that* photograph with David Cameron. Most of the corruption issues long pre-date CD's time as Commissioner. Even the question of access for which the Inquiry directly criticises Dick relate to her earlier position as Assistant Commissioner, but she left the Metropolitan Police since then.

    If Dick goes then I won't lose any sleep. She should never have been appointed. But what's new?
    Although it didn’t happen on her watch the enquiry was and there is the issues raised by the enquiry of how the met co operated, or didn’t, with it. On that score she has to have some accountability as the head of the organisation.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,514

    CatMan said:

    Just back from the local Spar, and can confirm they sell Oranjeboom.

    I would be happy to sample it for you all if you send me money :innocent:

    A most magnanimous gesture.
    Spar? Are they still going in the UK? I saw one in, I think, Greece a couple of years ago but can’t recall seeing one here for a long time.
    Amazon are selling Oranjeboom.
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,436
    Sandpit said:

    GBNews really need to ditch their Simplestream in favour of YouTube. The live stream is completely unwatchable tonight, but YT works fine for me.

    Indeed, though the bad streaming is one of so many faults that I am starting to wonder if this is the broadcasting equivalent of shitposting: being deliberately bad in order to generate coverage.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    isam said:

    Just watching itv news - Three of the Police at Manchester Arena had popped out to the kebab shop whilst the killer wandered around with his bungalow sized back pack on. One of the security officers ignored a man who said the bomber was acting suspiciously.

    He had cased the joint the previous day and walked around the centre for hours on the day - the report is not good for the police or security

    Read the telegraph article on the failings - utterly heartbreaking
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,263



    Britain's supermarkets could be forced to buy pigs in blankets from foreign suppliers this Christmas

    They won't be able to unless they import them frozen - we're ending the import of fresh sausages from October.
    Making them now means they are frozen. All kinds of products get produced earlier in the year and blast frozen - Mince Pies for example.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,514

    Sandpit said:

    GBNews really need to ditch their Simplestream in favour of YouTube. The live stream is completely unwatchable tonight, but YT works fine for me.

    Indeed, though the bad streaming is one of so many faults that I am starting to wonder if this is the broadcasting equivalent of shitposting: being deliberately bad in order to generate coverage.
    @Casino_Royale nailed it the other day.

    They've spent all the money on the front of the house (the presenters) and neglected back of the house.

    Which is why the likes of Michelle Dewberry reads out messages from the likes of Mike Hunt and Mike Oxlong because they've not hired the person to filter out the rude names.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125

    CatMan said:

    Just back from the local Spar, and can confirm they sell Oranjeboom.

    I would be happy to sample it for you all if you send me money :innocent:

    A most magnanimous gesture.
    Spar? Are they still going in the UK? I saw one in, I think, Greece a couple of years ago but can’t recall seeing one here for a long time.
    Lots of garages round here have a Spar shop attached....

    None of yer la-di-da M&S here in Devon.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,352
    IanB2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Completely off thread, I have just used my last jar of pasta sauce bought in March 2020.

    I've still got lots of stuff in my cupboard from my "end of days" purchase in February 2020.
    I’m good for toilet roll until at least Christmas, assuming a steady diet.
    A diet of toilet paper? Blimey!
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    pingping Posts: 3,731
    edited June 2021

    ping said:

    ping said:

    Holland!!!

    The Netherlands, not Holland.
    Pft who cares
    Plenty of people who don't live in the Holland region, some of them consider it offensive.

    Like saying England when you mean the UK.

    Or London when you mean England.
    Some people will argue over anything.
    Zzzz
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518

    Sandpit said:

    GBNews really need to ditch their Simplestream in favour of YouTube. The live stream is completely unwatchable tonight, but YT works fine for me.

    Indeed, though the bad streaming is one of so many faults that I am starting to wonder if this is the broadcasting equivalent of shitposting: being deliberately bad in order to generate coverage.
    “First they laughed at us...”
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,352

    Is OGH on the ground for the by-election?

    If so, can we refer to him as "Man at C&A"?

    C & A are still going strong on the Continent.

    C & A in Ilford is now a Wilko.
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    BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    Holland are about the level of England. Possibly slightly below. I think QF would be a decent tournament for them.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,421
    Brillo on the boycott now..
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,914

    Sandpit said:

    GBNews really need to ditch their Simplestream in favour of YouTube. The live stream is completely unwatchable tonight, but YT works fine for me.

    Indeed, though the bad streaming is one of so many faults that I am starting to wonder if this is the broadcasting equivalent of shitposting: being deliberately bad in order to generate coverage.
    @Casino_Royale nailed it the other day.

    They've spent all the money on the front of the house (the presenters) and neglected back of the house.

    Which is why the likes of Michelle Dewberry reads out messages from the likes of Mike Hunt and Mike Oxlong because they've not hired the person to filter out the rude names.
    Anyone who’s ever produced any live event, knows that you never feed an unfiltered message stream directly to a presenter or a public screen.
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    squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,361

    Is OGH on the ground for the by-election?

    If so, can we refer to him as "Man at C&A"?

    After the fiasco being quoted as having approved a Lib Dem bar chart 🤣🤣🤣 at the GE , I don't think.OGH will be anywhere near the by election...
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,421
    Wow. He's really going for Stop Funding Hate here.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,914

    Brillo on the boycott now..

    I’m sure he’ll be interesting, if their stream worked and wasn’t still hanging on an ad from 4 mins ago.

    The BBC would have had the same story about themselves as number one headline for the last five days.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,514
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    GBNews really need to ditch their Simplestream in favour of YouTube. The live stream is completely unwatchable tonight, but YT works fine for me.

    Indeed, though the bad streaming is one of so many faults that I am starting to wonder if this is the broadcasting equivalent of shitposting: being deliberately bad in order to generate coverage.
    @Casino_Royale nailed it the other day.

    They've spent all the money on the front of the house (the presenters) and neglected back of the house.

    Which is why the likes of Michelle Dewberry reads out messages from the likes of Mike Hunt and Mike Oxlong because they've not hired the person to filter out the rude names.
    Anyone who’s ever produced any live event, knows that you never feed an unfiltered message stream directly to a presenter or a public screen.
    Our IT guy made an observation yesterday, he said he's put more effort in for the video calls at work than GB News have for their broadcasts.

    There's a reason why we can have video conferences in 4k and GB News are broadcasting in 360p/720p.

    People expect slick production values.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,421

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    GBNews really need to ditch their Simplestream in favour of YouTube. The live stream is completely unwatchable tonight, but YT works fine for me.

    Indeed, though the bad streaming is one of so many faults that I am starting to wonder if this is the broadcasting equivalent of shitposting: being deliberately bad in order to generate coverage.
    @Casino_Royale nailed it the other day.

    They've spent all the money on the front of the house (the presenters) and neglected back of the house.

    Which is why the likes of Michelle Dewberry reads out messages from the likes of Mike Hunt and Mike Oxlong because they've not hired the person to filter out the rude names.
    Anyone who’s ever produced any live event, knows that you never feed an unfiltered message stream directly to a presenter or a public screen.
    Our IT guy made an observation yesterday, he said he's put more effort in for the video calls at work than GB News have for their broadcasts.

    There's a reason why we can have video conferences in 4k and GB News are broadcasting in 360p/720p.

    People expect slick production values.
    But, they take it for granted.
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,081

    Wow. He's really going for Stop Funding Hate here.

    He may have a point but he's just preaching to the choir. The same as Corbyn addressing a Free Palestine rally.
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,981
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    GBNews really need to ditch their Simplestream in favour of YouTube. The live stream is completely unwatchable tonight, but YT works fine for me.

    Indeed, though the bad streaming is one of so many faults that I am starting to wonder if this is the broadcasting equivalent of shitposting: being deliberately bad in order to generate coverage.
    @Casino_Royale nailed it the other day.

    They've spent all the money on the front of the house (the presenters) and neglected back of the house.

    Which is why the likes of Michelle Dewberry reads out messages from the likes of Mike Hunt and Mike Oxlong because they've not hired the person to filter out the rude names.
    Anyone who’s ever produced any live event, knows that you never feed an unfiltered message stream directly to a presenter or a public screen.
    But just imagine if your name really was Mike Hunt or Mike Oxlong - gagged for life!
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,914
    edited June 2021

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    GBNews really need to ditch their Simplestream in favour of YouTube. The live stream is completely unwatchable tonight, but YT works fine for me.

    Indeed, though the bad streaming is one of so many faults that I am starting to wonder if this is the broadcasting equivalent of shitposting: being deliberately bad in order to generate coverage.
    @Casino_Royale nailed it the other day.

    They've spent all the money on the front of the house (the presenters) and neglected back of the house.

    Which is why the likes of Michelle Dewberry reads out messages from the likes of Mike Hunt and Mike Oxlong because they've not hired the person to filter out the rude names.
    Anyone who’s ever produced any live event, knows that you never feed an unfiltered message stream directly to a presenter or a public screen.
    Our IT guy made an observation yesterday, he said he's put more effort in for the video calls at work than GB News have for their broadcasts.

    There's a reason why we can have video conferences in 4k and GB News are broadcasting in 360p/720p.

    People expect slick production values.
    I’ve spent the last 15 months setting up loads of WFH config for executives. It’s really not difficult, although resolution isn’t necessarily everything. Sound and light though, they’re the basics.

    My boss was on an almost unrecognisable conference call yesterday, because the supplier side were using a laptop that echoed terribly. We had a separate mic, camera and computer.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,314

    Wow. He's really going for Stop Funding Hate here.

    He may have a point but he's just preaching to the choir. The same as Corbyn addressing a Free Palestine rally.
    Well, yes. Isn’t that the whole idea?
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610

    Wow. He's really going for Stop Funding Hate here.

    He may have a point but he's just preaching to the choir. The same as Corbyn addressing a Free Palestine rally.
    I'm not so sure. The Speccie forced Co-op into a u turn by fairly accusing them of trying to influence editorial policy. Companies will be very wary of being seen to try and influence the news.
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    ClippPClippP Posts: 1,688

    Is OGH on the ground for the by-election?
    If so, can we refer to him as "Man at C&A"?

    After the fiasco being quoted as having approved a Lib Dem bar chart 🤣🤣🤣 at the GE , I don't think.OGH will be anywhere near the by election...
    I have the impression that OGH is closely in touch with the Lib Dem campaign.

    Also that the Tory MPs who have been dragooned in as foot soldiers are none too happy with their feedback from real voters.
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    JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,014
    isam said:

    isam said:

    Just watching itv news - Three of the Police at Manchester Arena had popped out to the kebab shop whilst the killer wandered around with his bungalow sized back pack on. One of the security officers ignored a man who said the bomber was acting suspiciously.

    He had cased the joint the previous day and walked around the centre for hours on the day - the report is not good for the police or security

    People with bungalow sized backpacks and suitcases at the arena isn't an uncommon experience.

    You have to remember Victoria station is built into the arena, or rather the arena is built on top of the station. People often get off at Victoria on a regular basis, it has regular trains to and from the airport, as well as major intercity routes.

    It is also a major interlink for the tram.
    So it does. I am summarising the report, which says "the victims were failed on every level"

    "key findings:

    There was no BTP officer present in the foyer and "no satisfactory explanation" for this
    Two on-duty officers took a break of more than two hours, including a 10-mile round trip to buy kebabs

    Abedi hid in a CCTV blindspot which had existed for years. If addressed the attack could have been "disrupted or deterred or fewer people killed"

    Showsec was criticised for not ensuring staff properly checked the mezzanine where Abedi hid
    Counter-terrorism training given to stewards was a "significant failure"

    Risk assessments by SMG and Showsec were "inadequate"

    SMG and Showsec "failed to take steps to improve security at the arena that they should have taken"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-57511079
    I'm surprised BTP were in charge (presumably because the arena is built on railway land). They're little more than railway security guards, not a proper police force.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,651
    All this talk of Oranjeboom has inspired me.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,421
    MaxPB said:

    Wow. He's really going for Stop Funding Hate here.

    He may have a point but he's just preaching to the choir. The same as Corbyn addressing a Free Palestine rally.
    I'm not so sure. The Speccie forced Co-op into a u turn by fairly accusing them of trying to influence editorial policy. Companies will be very wary of being seen to try and influence the news.
    The Speccie did so by threatening Co-op with a lifetime (permanent) ban across all their publications and channels for them and all their subsidiaries.

    They folded.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,914
    MaxPB said:

    Wow. He's really going for Stop Funding Hate here.

    He may have a point but he's just preaching to the choir. The same as Corbyn addressing a Free Palestine rally.
    I'm not so sure. The Speccie forced Co-op into a u turn by fairly accusing them of trying to influence editorial policy. Companies will be very wary of being seen to try and influence the news.
    Yep, Neil is no stranger to going after companies for cancel culture. He personally has well over a million followers on Twitter.

    He’s right that most companies have a young junior on social media work, but the senior execs don’t pay enough attention to it. They will, when someone like Neil calls them out.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,514
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    GBNews really need to ditch their Simplestream in favour of YouTube. The live stream is completely unwatchable tonight, but YT works fine for me.

    Indeed, though the bad streaming is one of so many faults that I am starting to wonder if this is the broadcasting equivalent of shitposting: being deliberately bad in order to generate coverage.
    @Casino_Royale nailed it the other day.

    They've spent all the money on the front of the house (the presenters) and neglected back of the house.

    Which is why the likes of Michelle Dewberry reads out messages from the likes of Mike Hunt and Mike Oxlong because they've not hired the person to filter out the rude names.
    Anyone who’s ever produced any live event, knows that you never feed an unfiltered message stream directly to a presenter or a public screen.
    Our IT guy made an observation yesterday, he said he's put more effort in for the video calls at work than GB News have for their broadcasts.

    There's a reason why we can have video conferences in 4k and GB News are broadcasting in 360p/720p.

    People expect slick production values.
    I’ve spent the last 15 months setting up loads of WFH config for executives. It’s really not difficult, although resolution isn’t necessarily everything. Sound and light though, they’re the basics.

    My boss was on an almost unrecognisable conference call yesterday, because the supplier side were using a laptop that echoed terribly. We had a separate mic, camera and computer.
    Yup, I've got a seperate laptop, mic, camera, and screen for video calls.

    Work paid for me to have a second broadband service installed, as well as a couple of mobile dongles.

    I wonder if GB News have done the latter points in terms of backup if the main thing falls over?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,314

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Just watching itv news - Three of the Police at Manchester Arena had popped out to the kebab shop whilst the killer wandered around with his bungalow sized back pack on. One of the security officers ignored a man who said the bomber was acting suspiciously.

    He had cased the joint the previous day and walked around the centre for hours on the day - the report is not good for the police or security

    People with bungalow sized backpacks and suitcases at the arena isn't an uncommon experience.

    You have to remember Victoria station is built into the arena, or rather the arena is built on top of the station. People often get off at Victoria on a regular basis, it has regular trains to and from the airport, as well as major intercity routes.

    It is also a major interlink for the tram.
    So it does. I am summarising the report, which says "the victims were failed on every level"

    "key findings:

    There was no BTP officer present in the foyer and "no satisfactory explanation" for this
    Two on-duty officers took a break of more than two hours, including a 10-mile round trip to buy kebabs

    Abedi hid in a CCTV blindspot which had existed for years. If addressed the attack could have been "disrupted or deterred or fewer people killed"

    Showsec was criticised for not ensuring staff properly checked the mezzanine where Abedi hid
    Counter-terrorism training given to stewards was a "significant failure"

    Risk assessments by SMG and Showsec were "inadequate"

    SMG and Showsec "failed to take steps to improve security at the arena that they should have taken"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-57511079
    I'm surprised BTP were in charge (presumably because the arena is built on railway land). They're little more than railway security guards, not a proper police force.
    Would it sound harsh if I said that’s not ridiculously different from GMP?
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,224
    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    Wow. He's really going for Stop Funding Hate here.

    He may have a point but he's just preaching to the choir. The same as Corbyn addressing a Free Palestine rally.
    I'm not so sure. The Speccie forced Co-op into a u turn by fairly accusing them of trying to influence editorial policy. Companies will be very wary of being seen to try and influence the news.
    Yep, Neil is no stranger to going after companies for cancel culture. He personally has well over a million followers on Twitter.

    He’s right that most companies have a young junior on social media work, but the senior execs don’t pay enough attention to it. They will, when someone like Neil calls them out.
    As happened with the Co Op when some barking fool on Twitter complained about so called transphobic hate in the spectator and the Co Op said they’d stop advertising.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610

    MaxPB said:

    Wow. He's really going for Stop Funding Hate here.

    He may have a point but he's just preaching to the choir. The same as Corbyn addressing a Free Palestine rally.
    I'm not so sure. The Speccie forced Co-op into a u turn by fairly accusing them of trying to influence editorial policy. Companies will be very wary of being seen to try and influence the news.
    The Speccie did so by threatening Co-op with a lifetime (permanent) ban across all their publications and channels for them and all their subsidiaries.

    They folded.
    Yes I think GB News should put all of these companies on notice that it will result in a lifetime ban from advertising on their channel. I think a short investigation of internet advertising of where they do push display ads would be devastating for these companies as the whole market is basically automated auctions of display space and some of the websites will definitely be extremely unsavoury linked to terrorism, child sexual abuse, rape glorification and other horrible parts of the internet because advertising brokers don't check where they are buying and selling display space.

    I expect GB News will pursue that angle.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,224
    ydoethur said:

    Wow. He's really going for Stop Funding Hate here.

    He may have a point but he's just preaching to the choir. The same as Corbyn addressing a Free Palestine rally.
    Well, yes. Isn’t that the whole idea?
    Exactly. I’m surprised anyone would see this as a shock. Let’s face it he’s not going to win over anyone who is already against GB News so he is playing to his base.
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    I think the Tories will win easily in C&A

    I think the Lib Dems will win. I am a Conservative member and helped a bit with the recent locals in Surrey, having recently moved here. I have to say I was surprised that we did so badly here, and I don't think C&A is so different. I think a lot of people who would vote Conservative in a tightly fought general election or one will indulge in the luxury of a protest vote. A substantial minority of usual Con voters are bound to be annoyed with these ridiculous restrictions and/or how they have been extended in such a nonsensical way. Logically they should not vote LD, but many will. I am much more green on the LDs than OGH.
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    pingping Posts: 3,731
    The Dutch should be 2-0 or 3-0 up
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,436
    edited June 2021
    Floater said:

    isam said:

    Just watching itv news - Three of the Police at Manchester Arena had popped out to the kebab shop whilst the killer wandered around with his bungalow sized back pack on. One of the security officers ignored a man who said the bomber was acting suspiciously.

    He had cased the joint the previous day and walked around the centre for hours on the day - the report is not good for the police or security

    It isn't but bear in mind the inquiry did acknowledge that if the bomber had been challenged, he'd probably have blown up whoever had taken him on. There are a lot of people and institutions whose behaviour can be condemned, and 22 people were murdered, most of them children, but most of the blame must lie with the bomber.

    Could MI5 have stopped him or has it strayed into a paradoxical world where intelligence yields too many leads? Have institutional failings been addressed? The inquiry has revealed that the police could not phone Manchester from London, and the security guard had no radio to talk to his control without leaving his post. But ultimately evil people commit evil acts and it is hard to stop them, even in hindsight.
    I think police who were supposed to have a 40 min break but extended it to over 2 hours can fairly be criticised
    Yes they can but people were still going to die. (And why were the police taking a break at the same time anyway?) I think we need to concentrate on institutional rather than individual failings.
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    FenmanFenman Posts: 1,047

    I think the Tories will win easily in C&A

    Do you have any basis for your opinion?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,514
    TV advertising/sponsorship is something I know a bit about.

    I suspect Andrew Neil won't have that much influence on advertisers.

    Unless you're ITV, Channel 4, C5, or the big Sky entertainment or sports channels advertising/sponsorship revenues really isn't that much as people watch recorded stuff and fast forward through the ads.

    For a lot of channels with the viewership of GB News the ads are more there so you don't have to show 15 minutes of live broadcast/shows every hour, for someone like UK Gold it means fewer repeat fees.

    The real money is in channel/show sponsorship.
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,436
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    GBNews really need to ditch their Simplestream in favour of YouTube. The live stream is completely unwatchable tonight, but YT works fine for me.

    Indeed, though the bad streaming is one of so many faults that I am starting to wonder if this is the broadcasting equivalent of shitposting: being deliberately bad in order to generate coverage.
    @Casino_Royale nailed it the other day.

    They've spent all the money on the front of the house (the presenters) and neglected back of the house.

    Which is why the likes of Michelle Dewberry reads out messages from the likes of Mike Hunt and Mike Oxlong because they've not hired the person to filter out the rude names.
    Anyone who’s ever produced any live event, knows that you never feed an unfiltered message stream directly to a presenter or a public screen.
    Our IT guy made an observation yesterday, he said he's put more effort in for the video calls at work than GB News have for their broadcasts.

    There's a reason why we can have video conferences in 4k and GB News are broadcasting in 360p/720p.

    People expect slick production values.
    I’ve spent the last 15 months setting up loads of WFH config for executives. It’s really not difficult, although resolution isn’t necessarily everything. Sound and light though, they’re the basics.

    My boss was on an almost unrecognisable conference call yesterday, because the supplier side were using a laptop that echoed terribly. We had a separate mic, camera and computer.
    As has been said on PB before, any of us working from home (or even making Zoom calls to friends and relatives) should check how they come across. External cameras and microphones are fairly cheap and changing the background might even be free.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    GBNews really need to ditch their Simplestream in favour of YouTube. The live stream is completely unwatchable tonight, but YT works fine for me.

    Indeed, though the bad streaming is one of so many faults that I am starting to wonder if this is the broadcasting equivalent of shitposting: being deliberately bad in order to generate coverage.
    @Casino_Royale nailed it the other day.

    They've spent all the money on the front of the house (the presenters) and neglected back of the house.

    Which is why the likes of Michelle Dewberry reads out messages from the likes of Mike Hunt and Mike Oxlong because they've not hired the person to filter out the rude names.
    Anyone who’s ever produced any live event, knows that you never feed an unfiltered message stream directly to a presenter or a public screen.
    Our IT guy made an observation yesterday, he said he's put more effort in for the video calls at work than GB News have for their broadcasts.

    There's a reason why we can have video conferences in 4k and GB News are broadcasting in 360p/720p.

    People expect slick production values.
    I’ve spent the last 15 months setting up loads of WFH config for executives. It’s really not difficult, although resolution isn’t necessarily everything. Sound and light though, they’re the basics.

    My boss was on an almost unrecognisable conference call yesterday, because the supplier side were using a laptop that echoed terribly. We had a separate mic, camera and computer.
    Yup, I've got a seperate laptop, mic, camera, and screen for video calls.

    Work paid for me to have a second broadband service installed, as well as a couple of mobile dongles.

    I wonder if GB News have done the latter points in terms of backup if the main thing falls over?
    That's a bit much, my Mac has a great camera and my Sony headphones are extremely clear.

    As for GB News, they're going to have to shape up very quickly in technical terms. Everything just seems amateur hour expect the actual content which is at least a bit different. Getting an expletive name filter in is extremely cheap, it's an automated python script that just reads author names to check off against a known list and validates phone numbers and emails. I think the library for the former is free.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited June 2021
    Sandpit said:

    Brillo on the boycott now..

    I’m sure he’ll be interesting, if their stream worked and wasn’t still hanging on an ad from 4 mins ago.

    The BBC would have had the same story about themselves as number one headline for the last five days.
    Funny how when the Indy stopped being a physical paper, all the BBC, the Guardian, etc, journos were bemoaning the loss of independent journalism, how its not fair that that advertising can't support these ventures etc (obviously lost on them that BBC eats a lot of their lunch).....its was proper funeral vibes.

    GB News trying to get cancelled by social media mob....nadda....
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 33,059

    External cameras and microphones are fairly cheap and changing the background might even be free.

    Get yourself one of these

    https://europe.beyerdynamic.com/phonum.html
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Somebody thinks there is still money to be made in music...

    David Guetta sells his songs for a nine-figure sum

    The French star made about $100m (£72m) in the deal, which also covers his future recordings, people familiar with the negotiations told the BBC.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-57518573
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,514
    MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    GBNews really need to ditch their Simplestream in favour of YouTube. The live stream is completely unwatchable tonight, but YT works fine for me.

    Indeed, though the bad streaming is one of so many faults that I am starting to wonder if this is the broadcasting equivalent of shitposting: being deliberately bad in order to generate coverage.
    @Casino_Royale nailed it the other day.

    They've spent all the money on the front of the house (the presenters) and neglected back of the house.

    Which is why the likes of Michelle Dewberry reads out messages from the likes of Mike Hunt and Mike Oxlong because they've not hired the person to filter out the rude names.
    Anyone who’s ever produced any live event, knows that you never feed an unfiltered message stream directly to a presenter or a public screen.
    Our IT guy made an observation yesterday, he said he's put more effort in for the video calls at work than GB News have for their broadcasts.

    There's a reason why we can have video conferences in 4k and GB News are broadcasting in 360p/720p.

    People expect slick production values.
    I’ve spent the last 15 months setting up loads of WFH config for executives. It’s really not difficult, although resolution isn’t necessarily everything. Sound and light though, they’re the basics.

    My boss was on an almost unrecognisable conference call yesterday, because the supplier side were using a laptop that echoed terribly. We had a separate mic, camera and computer.
    Yup, I've got a seperate laptop, mic, camera, and screen for video calls.

    Work paid for me to have a second broadband service installed, as well as a couple of mobile dongles.

    I wonder if GB News have done the latter points in terms of backup if the main thing falls over?
    That's a bit much, my Mac has a great camera and my Sony headphones are extremely clear.

    As for GB News, they're going to have to shape up very quickly in technical terms. Everything just seems amateur hour expect the actual content which is at least a bit different. Getting an expletive name filter in is extremely cheap, it's an automated python script that just reads author names to check off against a known list and validates phone numbers and emails. I think the library for the former is free.
    It was the start of April, work was aware my mother had to shield and it was expected WFH would last for a while.

    I'm very fortunate my immediate bosses value me.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,914

    Sandpit said:

    Brillo on the boycott now..

    I’m sure he’ll be interesting, if their stream worked and wasn’t still hanging on an ad from 4 mins ago.

    The BBC would have had the same story about themselves as number one headline for the last five days.
    Funny how when the Indy stopped being a physical paper, all the BBC, the Guardian, etc, journos were bemoaning the loss of independent journalism, how its not fair that that advertising can't support these ventures etc (obviously lost on them that BBC eats a lot of their lunch).....its was proper funeral vibes.

    GB News trying to get cancelled by social media mob....nadda....
    BBC and Sky still carry the ‘virtual front page’ from the Indy, on their paper review programmes every night.
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    Fenman said:

    I think the Tories will win easily in C&A

    Do you have any basis for your opinion?
    I think the fact the tories are not even doing a GOTV means they either have it in the bag or have utterly blown it. Given a bad beating is not that likely, I suspect they think they have walked it.
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,561
    edited June 2021

    CatMan said:

    Just back from the local Spar, and can confirm they sell Oranjeboom.

    I would be happy to sample it for you all if you send me money :innocent:

    A most magnanimous gesture.
    Spar? Are they still going in the UK? I saw one in, I think, Greece a couple of years ago but can’t recall seeing one here for a long time.
    Lots of garages round here have a Spar shop attached....

    None of yer la-di-da M&S here in Devon.
    Spar have 13,000 outlets worldwide and 2,600 in UK. There are two within a mile and 3 within 6 miles of here. They are not great but some have a respected local image, and are incredibly useful. There are remote bits of the UK where they are the only show in the area, which is a plus. They are a bit like Travelodge; there is nothing to say about them except that they are dull and they are there, but occasionally it's exactly what you need and no-one else does it. Like Spar on the Isle of Mull and Iona, and Travelodge at Blyth services.

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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited June 2021
    MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    GBNews really need to ditch their Simplestream in favour of YouTube. The live stream is completely unwatchable tonight, but YT works fine for me.

    Indeed, though the bad streaming is one of so many faults that I am starting to wonder if this is the broadcasting equivalent of shitposting: being deliberately bad in order to generate coverage.
    @Casino_Royale nailed it the other day.

    They've spent all the money on the front of the house (the presenters) and neglected back of the house.

    Which is why the likes of Michelle Dewberry reads out messages from the likes of Mike Hunt and Mike Oxlong because they've not hired the person to filter out the rude names.
    Anyone who’s ever produced any live event, knows that you never feed an unfiltered message stream directly to a presenter or a public screen.
    Our IT guy made an observation yesterday, he said he's put more effort in for the video calls at work than GB News have for their broadcasts.

    There's a reason why we can have video conferences in 4k and GB News are broadcasting in 360p/720p.

    People expect slick production values.
    I’ve spent the last 15 months setting up loads of WFH config for executives. It’s really not difficult, although resolution isn’t necessarily everything. Sound and light though, they’re the basics.

    My boss was on an almost unrecognisable conference call yesterday, because the supplier side were using a laptop that echoed terribly. We had a separate mic, camera and computer.
    Yup, I've got a seperate laptop, mic, camera, and screen for video calls.

    Work paid for me to have a second broadband service installed, as well as a couple of mobile dongles.

    I wonder if GB News have done the latter points in terms of backup if the main thing falls over?
    That's a bit much, my Mac has a great camera and my Sony headphones are extremely clear.

    As for GB News, they're going to have to shape up very quickly in technical terms. Everything just seems amateur hour expect the actual content which is at least a bit different. Getting an expletive name filter in is extremely cheap, it's an automated python script that just reads author names to check off against a known list and validates phone numbers and emails. I think the library for the former is free.
    The technical issues can be fixed. The talent they have hired, they have a big problem. Its just so rubbish, they aren't offering "different" in the way say having a Freddie Sayers, they offering different in the form of Dan Wooton...one is high quality, the other remember was the showbiz reporter on the Sun.

    If they wanted to be different, they needed plenty of in-depth long form interviews and high quality analysis e.g. as the Athletic does for sport.

    Just trying to outdo the Mail or Talk Radio for outrage about the woke gets tiring quickly.
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    MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    Somebody thinks there is still money to be made in music...

    David Guetta sells his songs for a nine-figure sum

    The French star made about $100m (£72m) in the deal, which also covers his future recordings, people familiar with the negotiations told the BBC.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-57518573

    Noel Gallagher apparently gets his rights back in 2025 and is already talking about selling them for £200m so he can buy a super-yacht called Mega Mega White Thing. And get £40,000 haircuts.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited June 2021
    Talking of long form interviews...do I dare watch Commie Michie on Unherd? Do I need to make sure I don't have any heavy objects to hand that might damage my pc?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,421
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Wow. He's really going for Stop Funding Hate here.

    He may have a point but he's just preaching to the choir. The same as Corbyn addressing a Free Palestine rally.
    I'm not so sure. The Speccie forced Co-op into a u turn by fairly accusing them of trying to influence editorial policy. Companies will be very wary of being seen to try and influence the news.
    The Speccie did so by threatening Co-op with a lifetime (permanent) ban across all their publications and channels for them and all their subsidiaries.

    They folded.
    Yes I think GB News should put all of these companies on notice that it will result in a lifetime ban from advertising on their channel. I think a short investigation of internet advertising of where they do push display ads would be devastating for these companies as the whole market is basically automated auctions of display space and some of the websites will definitely be extremely unsavoury linked to terrorism, child sexual abuse, rape glorification and other horrible parts of the internet because advertising brokers don't check where they are buying and selling display space.

    I expect GB News will pursue that angle.
    I hope they do.

    It's interesting. I still don't buy Gillette products for their Wokeness, and that hectoring campaign against men was well over 2 years ago.

    I have a long memory for corporations that want to indulge in Woke capitalism.
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    algarkirk said:

    CatMan said:

    Just back from the local Spar, and can confirm they sell Oranjeboom.

    I would be happy to sample it for you all if you send me money :innocent:

    A most magnanimous gesture.
    Spar? Are they still going in the UK? I saw one in, I think, Greece a couple of years ago but can’t recall seeing one here for a long time.
    Lots of garages round here have a Spar shop attached....

    None of yer la-di-da M&S here in Devon.
    Spar have 13,000 outlets worldwide and 2,600 in UK. There are two within a mile and 3 within 6 miles of here. They are not great but some have a respected local image, and are incredibly useful. There are remote bits of the UK where they are the only show in the area, which is a plus. They are a bit like Travelodge; there is nothing to say about them except that they are dull and they are there, but occasionally it's exactly what you need and no-one else does it. Like Spar on the Isle of Mull and Iona, and Travelodge at Blyth services.

    I just remembered where the last place I saw one was. Liverpool airport. Thanks for jogging my memory.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,421

    MaxPB said:

    Wow. He's really going for Stop Funding Hate here.

    He may have a point but he's just preaching to the choir. The same as Corbyn addressing a Free Palestine rally.
    I'm not so sure. The Speccie forced Co-op into a u turn by fairly accusing them of trying to influence editorial policy. Companies will be very wary of being seen to try and influence the news.
    He gives a good example of Gillett losing $8 billion for getting all preachy with their main customer base about toxic masculinity. And I love the comment about IKEA hypocrisy with them boycotting GB News at the same time they are opening shops in Saudi Arabia.

    I have no idea whether these companies will feel a backlash but he is right about Stop Funding Hate being a left wing extremist fringe group. I am hoping that here they have run up against an immovable object and it brings them down.
    Striking gold for me would be to stop Stop Funding Hate, or at least push it back into its irrelevant Corbynite fringe - where it belongs.
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,436
    Scott_xP said:

    External cameras and microphones are fairly cheap and changing the background might even be free.

    Get yourself one of these

    https://europe.beyerdynamic.com/phonum.html
    From your link: Due to BREXIT negotiations, we are currently not able to deliver to the UK until further notice.

    As if anyone on PB would do business with a company that writes "due to" instead of "owing to". :smile:
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,981

    Somebody thinks there is still money to be made in music...

    David Guetta sells his songs for a nine-figure sum

    The French star made about $100m (£72m) in the deal, which also covers his future recordings, people familiar with the negotiations told the BBC.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-57518573

    Hopefully, whoever bought them did so to ensure they’re never played again.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    MrEd said:

    Somebody thinks there is still money to be made in music...

    David Guetta sells his songs for a nine-figure sum

    The French star made about $100m (£72m) in the deal, which also covers his future recordings, people familiar with the negotiations told the BBC.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-57518573

    Noel Gallagher apparently gets his rights back in 2025 and is already talking about selling them for £200m so he can buy a super-yacht called Mega Mega White Thing. And get £40,000 haircuts.
    Who owns the rights at the moment?
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,777
    Floater said:

    Looks like Brillo is going to lay the smack down in 20 minutes:

    https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1405577713247821827?s=20

    Did you see the feckwit who was screaming on social media about how bad GBnews is .....

    Only for GB news to point out he had tried several times to get a job there :smiley:
    Priceless....


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    TazTaz Posts: 11,224

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Wow. He's really going for Stop Funding Hate here.

    He may have a point but he's just preaching to the choir. The same as Corbyn addressing a Free Palestine rally.
    I'm not so sure. The Speccie forced Co-op into a u turn by fairly accusing them of trying to influence editorial policy. Companies will be very wary of being seen to try and influence the news.
    The Speccie did so by threatening Co-op with a lifetime (permanent) ban across all their publications and channels for them and all their subsidiaries.

    They folded.
    Yes I think GB News should put all of these companies on notice that it will result in a lifetime ban from advertising on their channel. I think a short investigation of internet advertising of where they do push display ads would be devastating for these companies as the whole market is basically automated auctions of display space and some of the websites will definitely be extremely unsavoury linked to terrorism, child sexual abuse, rape glorification and other horrible parts of the internet because advertising brokers don't check where they are buying and selling display space.

    I expect GB News will pursue that angle.
    I hope they do.

    It's interesting. I still don't buy Gillette products for their Wokeness, and that hectoring campaign against men was well over 2 years ago.

    I have a long memory for corporations that want to indulge in Woke capitalism.
    What campaign was that ?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,561

    Sandpit said:

    Brillo on the boycott now..

    I’m sure he’ll be interesting, if their stream worked and wasn’t still hanging on an ad from 4 mins ago.

    The BBC would have had the same story about themselves as number one headline for the last five days.
    Funny how when the Indy stopped being a physical paper, all the BBC, the Guardian, etc, journos were bemoaning the loss of independent journalism, how its not fair that that advertising can't support these ventures etc (obviously lost on them that BBC eats a lot of their lunch).....its was proper funeral vibes.

    GB News trying to get cancelled by social media mob....nadda....
    GB would have done better to start with reasonable quality stuff just two or three hours a day - which would appear to exhaust such talent as they have available. I am absolutely behind the principle of a decent centre right telly channel but at the moment this is not it. Their daytime filling of airtime has been unwatchable. No worse that all the other pointless daytime telly of course, but that's not good enough for Andrew Neil's reputation.

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,514
    The other problem Andrew Neil/GB News will have is that they are using Sky Media to sell their ads, so advertisers go through that arm of Sky TV.

    It is very easy for advertisers to stop advertising on GB News without a ban.

    Just need to tweak their demographic/viewer targets.
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    algarkirk said:

    CatMan said:

    Just back from the local Spar, and can confirm they sell Oranjeboom.

    I would be happy to sample it for you all if you send me money :innocent:

    A most magnanimous gesture.
    Spar? Are they still going in the UK? I saw one in, I think, Greece a couple of years ago but can’t recall seeing one here for a long time.
    Lots of garages round here have a Spar shop attached....

    None of yer la-di-da M&S here in Devon.
    Spar have 13,000 outlets worldwide and 2,600 in UK. There are two within a mile and 3 within 6 miles of here. They are not great but some have a respected local image, and are incredibly useful. There are remote bits of the UK where they are the only show in the area, which is a plus. They are a bit like Travelodge; there is nothing to say about them except that they are dull and they are there, but occasionally it's exactly what you need and no-one else does it. Like Spar on the Isle of Mull and Iona, and Travelodge at Blyth services.

    And I just checked there are 14 within 5 miles of me. I must go round with a blindfold on. Seriously embarrassed
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,101
    So has Russia been put on the red list yet ?

    The odd thing is that taking Portugal off the green list has clearly been shown to be correct.

    But the government seems incapable of not sliding into complacent lethargy at least once a month.
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,561

    algarkirk said:

    CatMan said:

    Just back from the local Spar, and can confirm they sell Oranjeboom.

    I would be happy to sample it for you all if you send me money :innocent:

    A most magnanimous gesture.
    Spar? Are they still going in the UK? I saw one in, I think, Greece a couple of years ago but can’t recall seeing one here for a long time.
    Lots of garages round here have a Spar shop attached....

    None of yer la-di-da M&S here in Devon.
    Spar have 13,000 outlets worldwide and 2,600 in UK. There are two within a mile and 3 within 6 miles of here. They are not great but some have a respected local image, and are incredibly useful. There are remote bits of the UK where they are the only show in the area, which is a plus. They are a bit like Travelodge; there is nothing to say about them except that they are dull and they are there, but occasionally it's exactly what you need and no-one else does it. Like Spar on the Isle of Mull and Iona, and Travelodge at Blyth services.

    I just remembered where the last place I saw one was. Liverpool airport. Thanks for jogging my memory.
    That answers the pub quiz question: which retailer has a branch on Iona and Liverpool Airport?

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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 33,059

    From your link: Due to BREXIT negotiations, we are currently not able to deliver to the UK until further notice.

    As if anyone on PB would do business with a company that writes "due to" instead of "owing to". :smile:

    They are Germans...

    And there is stock in the UK.

    It's hard to quantify the difference a microphone and speaker made by a World class manufacturer of those things makes compared to vendors who make phones for a living.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,914
    edited June 2021

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    GBNews really need to ditch their Simplestream in favour of YouTube. The live stream is completely unwatchable tonight, but YT works fine for me.

    Indeed, though the bad streaming is one of so many faults that I am starting to wonder if this is the broadcasting equivalent of shitposting: being deliberately bad in order to generate coverage.
    @Casino_Royale nailed it the other day.

    They've spent all the money on the front of the house (the presenters) and neglected back of the house.

    Which is why the likes of Michelle Dewberry reads out messages from the likes of Mike Hunt and Mike Oxlong because they've not hired the person to filter out the rude names.
    Anyone who’s ever produced any live event, knows that you never feed an unfiltered message stream directly to a presenter or a public screen.
    Our IT guy made an observation yesterday, he said he's put more effort in for the video calls at work than GB News have for their broadcasts.

    There's a reason why we can have video conferences in 4k and GB News are broadcasting in 360p/720p.

    People expect slick production values.
    I’ve spent the last 15 months setting up loads of WFH config for executives. It’s really not difficult, although resolution isn’t necessarily everything. Sound and light though, they’re the basics.

    My boss was on an almost unrecognisable conference call yesterday, because the supplier side were using a laptop that echoed terribly. We had a separate mic, camera and computer.
    As has been said on PB before, any of us working from home (or even making Zoom calls to friends and relatives) should check how they come across. External cameras and microphones are fairly cheap and changing the background might even be free.
    Yep, my boss’s setup cost well under a grand. Docking station, camera, mic, lights and 42” TV screen.

    The most important things, are the lighting and the angle of the camera. Even if you have to use a laptop, put it on a pile of books so the camera is level with your eyes. Check backgrounds carefully.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 33,059
    @e_casalicchio: BREAKING: Edwin Poots has announced that there will be a fresh DUP leadership election. He's standing down.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,314
    edited June 2021
    Scott_xP said:

    @e_casalicchio: BREAKING: Edwin Poots has announced that there will be a fresh DUP leadership election. He's standing down.

    Is that a record for a party, accepting UKIP isn’t a party?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited June 2021
    Scott_xP said:

    From your link: Due to BREXIT negotiations, we are currently not able to deliver to the UK until further notice.

    As if anyone on PB would do business with a company that writes "due to" instead of "owing to". :smile:

    They are Germans...

    And there is stock in the UK.

    It's hard to quantify the difference a microphone and speaker made by a World class manufacturer of those things makes compared to vendors who make phones for a living.
    I notice that Sennheiser have thrown in the towel in the consumer audio biz. Sold it off to focus on professional side.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610

    The other problem Andrew Neil/GB News will have is that they are using Sky Media to sell their ads, so advertisers go through that arm of Sky TV.

    It is very easy for advertisers to stop advertising on GB News without a ban.

    Just need to tweak their demographic/viewer targets.

    I just don't think it will matter too much in the end. GB News isn't going to survive for very long, in money terms it is a big loser. What it will do ignite the culture war for the mainstream as while it exists it will have a lot of reach.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,101
    Cyclefree said:

    ping said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    FFS! Dido Harding has applied for the job as Head of NHS England.

    No doubt she will get it as a massive f*u to all of those of us who think Track and Not Trace was a homogenous mess.

    I'm mean no real health management experience so obviously no.1 on their list.
    It's not just the lack of health experience but that she's been fucking useless at every senior job she's held. A supermarket manager is about her level. Probably.
    I’m still pissed off with her over the talktalk hack.
    A giant Fuck You from Cressida - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/met-chief-dame-cressida-dick-wont-resign-police-corruption-qm09hhb9j.

    She's not even pretending to pay any attention to the report's findings. Rejects them and says she knows she is honourable and acted well throughout.

    So that's OK then. Let's not bother having investigations then. Or indeed trials. Or police come to that. Let's just have people announce that they did nothing wrong and ignore all evidence to the contrary.

    Honestly, a country which has people like Dido Harding and Cressida Dick in positions more senior than lavatory attendant is a country which has lost its moral compass.
    I wonder if an incompetent woman is even more difficult to get rid of than an incompetent bloke.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,473

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Wow. He's really going for Stop Funding Hate here.

    He may have a point but he's just preaching to the choir. The same as Corbyn addressing a Free Palestine rally.
    I'm not so sure. The Speccie forced Co-op into a u turn by fairly accusing them of trying to influence editorial policy. Companies will be very wary of being seen to try and influence the news.
    The Speccie did so by threatening Co-op with a lifetime (permanent) ban across all their publications and channels for them and all their subsidiaries.

    They folded.
    Yes I think GB News should put all of these companies on notice that it will result in a lifetime ban from advertising on their channel. I think a short investigation of internet advertising of where they do push display ads would be devastating for these companies as the whole market is basically automated auctions of display space and some of the websites will definitely be extremely unsavoury linked to terrorism, child sexual abuse, rape glorification and other horrible parts of the internet because advertising brokers don't check where they are buying and selling display space.

    I expect GB News will pursue that angle.
    I hope they do.

    It's interesting. I still don't buy Gillette products for their Wokeness, and that hectoring campaign against men was well over 2 years ago.

    I have a long memory for corporations that want to indulge in Woke capitalism.
    Yes, me too.
    I don't suppose it makes much difference. It's not a massive point of principle. But it doesn't feel good to be giving money to a corporation which doesn't appear to like me very much. Especially when there are other companies who make razor blades.
    I must admit, IKEA would be a problem as they really don't have a competitor in the cheap and adequate bracket.
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    squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,361
    ClippP said:

    Is OGH on the ground for the by-election?
    If so, can we refer to him as "Man at C&A"?

    After the fiasco being quoted as having approved a Lib Dem bar chart 🤣🤣🤣 at the GE , I don't think.OGH will be anywhere near the by election...
    I have the impression that OGH is closely in touch with the Lib Dem campaign.

    Also that the Tory MPs who have been dragooned in as foot soldiers are none too happy with their feedback from real voters.
    What evidence do you have.. and I.mean really evidence...
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,651
    algarkirk said:

    algarkirk said:

    CatMan said:

    Just back from the local Spar, and can confirm they sell Oranjeboom.

    I would be happy to sample it for you all if you send me money :innocent:

    A most magnanimous gesture.
    Spar? Are they still going in the UK? I saw one in, I think, Greece a couple of years ago but can’t recall seeing one here for a long time.
    Lots of garages round here have a Spar shop attached....

    None of yer la-di-da M&S here in Devon.
    Spar have 13,000 outlets worldwide and 2,600 in UK. There are two within a mile and 3 within 6 miles of here. They are not great but some have a respected local image, and are incredibly useful. There are remote bits of the UK where they are the only show in the area, which is a plus. They are a bit like Travelodge; there is nothing to say about them except that they are dull and they are there, but occasionally it's exactly what you need and no-one else does it. Like Spar on the Isle of Mull and Iona, and Travelodge at Blyth services.

    I just remembered where the last place I saw one was. Liverpool airport. Thanks for jogging my memory.
    That answers the pub quiz question: which retailer has a branch on Iona and Liverpool Airport?

    Spoons?
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    sladeslade Posts: 1,932
    Settling down for a long night with an unusual bottle of wine - a Bourret from Virgile Joly. Another unusual as backup - a Basque white.
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,561
    Scott_xP said:

    @e_casalicchio: BREAKING: Edwin Poots has announced that there will be a fresh DUP leadership election. He's standing down.

    One tiny hint that NI unionism has rendered itself unsustainable in the long run. Brexit will lead one day to Irish reunification - and a very good thing too. Instead of two nations run by mutually hating religious bigots, one tolerant nation run by centrist secular political parties. We can but hope.

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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,626
    Scott_xP said:

    @e_casalicchio: BREAKING: Edwin Poots has announced that there will be a fresh DUP leadership election. He's standing down.

    Major tactics...
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,914

    Scott_xP said:

    From your link: Due to BREXIT negotiations, we are currently not able to deliver to the UK until further notice.

    As if anyone on PB would do business with a company that writes "due to" instead of "owing to". :smile:

    They are Germans...

    And there is stock in the UK.

    It's hard to quantify the difference a microphone and speaker made by a World class manufacturer of those things makes compared to vendors who make phones for a living.
    I notice that Sennheiser have thrown in the towel in the consumer audio biz. Sold it off to focus on professional side.
    They’re the gold standard for pro DJ headphones, but have now realised that targetting the consumer biz means making stuff down to a price, and they’re fed up with turning out crap.
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,561

    algarkirk said:

    algarkirk said:

    CatMan said:

    Just back from the local Spar, and can confirm they sell Oranjeboom.

    I would be happy to sample it for you all if you send me money :innocent:

    A most magnanimous gesture.
    Spar? Are they still going in the UK? I saw one in, I think, Greece a couple of years ago but can’t recall seeing one here for a long time.
    Lots of garages round here have a Spar shop attached....

    None of yer la-di-da M&S here in Devon.
    Spar have 13,000 outlets worldwide and 2,600 in UK. There are two within a mile and 3 within 6 miles of here. They are not great but some have a respected local image, and are incredibly useful. There are remote bits of the UK where they are the only show in the area, which is a plus. They are a bit like Travelodge; there is nothing to say about them except that they are dull and they are there, but occasionally it's exactly what you need and no-one else does it. Like Spar on the Isle of Mull and Iona, and Travelodge at Blyth services.

    I just remembered where the last place I saw one was. Liverpool airport. Thanks for jogging my memory.
    That answers the pub quiz question: which retailer has a branch on Iona and Liverpool Airport?

    Spoons?
    Vide supra
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited June 2021
    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    From your link: Due to BREXIT negotiations, we are currently not able to deliver to the UK until further notice.

    As if anyone on PB would do business with a company that writes "due to" instead of "owing to". :smile:

    They are Germans...

    And there is stock in the UK.

    It's hard to quantify the difference a microphone and speaker made by a World class manufacturer of those things makes compared to vendors who make phones for a living.
    I notice that Sennheiser have thrown in the towel in the consumer audio biz. Sold it off to focus on professional side.
    They’re the gold standard for pro DJ headphones, but have now realised that targetting the consumer biz means making stuff down to a price, and they’re fed up with turning out crap.
    The £400-500 stuff they pump out is great. Maybe my idea of consumer and others is different....
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285

    Japan's Naomi Osaka will not play at Wimbledon this year
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