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The Ipsos-MORI Economic Optimism index jumps to its highest level for six years – politicalbetting.c

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  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    DougSeal said:

    Sandpit said:

    DougSeal said:

    I really do think we need to keep more of an eye on this than people on here think...


    Case numbers are pretty much now irrelevant. The important stat is numbers in hospital, which are remaining steady.
    Hmmm...not looking that great either TBH in terms of trend...


    Yes it is, that's pretty miniscule.

    Plus people are presenting to hospitals with less severe illnesses that result in discharges quicker, rather than severe cases that end up on a ventilator.

    On 30 April there were 1,153 patients in hospital.
    On 31 May (latest data) there are 932 patients in hospital.

    There's no upwards trend on patients in hospital.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    tlg86 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Liftoff for the vaccine rocket under the economy.

    Yeah, I've made a ton of savings because of WFH.

    I feel morally obligated to spend that money to help the economy and the people who have struggled these last fifteen months.

    #Altruistic
    Freakonomics had a good episode recently about WFH...it could well be another driver of inequality, if you have a profession where you can WFH from basically anywhere, you can easily choose to live somewhere cheaper and save all the money on commuting etc, extending your advantage over others.

    Where as if you are a bus driver in London, you can hardly move to more than a quite limited distance from the capital with all the costs that incurs.
    With the new flexible season tickets this is something that will get worse.

    I'm fortunate that I work for a great employer, last March they spared no expense so we could all comfortably work from home, from paying for desks and chairs, and improved broadband/internet connections.

    One colleague he and his wife who also worked from home, plus two teenage kids had to share a 37 Mbps internet connection.

    Work paid for them to have a second internet connection as well mobile broadband coverage.
    Flexible season tickets is a contradiction in terms! The whole point of a season ticket is that you can use it as much as you like in a given time period. That’s the definition of flexible!

    What people want is the day rate to be the same as the annual rate. What will happen is that there will end up being a single rate (that will look suspiciously like the day rate) and you simply pay for one journey at a time with the option of loading journeys on to a smart card.
    TPE and EMR are offering me a flexi season ticket that allows me 8 days of travel in 28 days.

    It is brilliant and looks very reasonably priced.
    I guess if the industry feels it needs to attract customers then we could see a genuine fall in prices. But that will have to be paid for (hello Mr Sunak) and I don’t think it’s great for the case for HS2.

    Another dilemma is, how do we cope with everyone wanting to go into the office Tue-Thu. Cheaper rates on Fri-Mon?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    @BealeLab

    “ Recent case data indeed not looking good, it would be folly to open up on 21 June. Were it not for variant delta (first detected in India), there would be no problem in fully opening domestic economy. Wouldn’t even be a serious debate. But here we are… again…”

    There’s. No. Way. 21. June. Will. Happen.

    June 21st will happen.
    In the most literal sense of the date following the 20th, yes it will happen, but there cannot be any chance now of a full reopening of the economy,
    Calm down Chicken Licken, there's every reason it should.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    DougSeal said:

    Sandpit said:

    DougSeal said:

    I really do think we need to keep more of an eye on this than people on here think...


    Case numbers are pretty much now irrelevant. The important stat is numbers in hospital, which are remaining steady.
    Hmmm...not looking that great either TBH in terms of trend...


    Yes it is, that's pretty miniscule.

    Plus people are presenting to hospitals with less severe illnesses that result in discharges quicker, rather than severe cases that end up on a ventilator.

    On 30 April there were 1,153 patients in hospital.
    On 31 May (latest data) there are 932 patients in hospital.

    There's no upwards trend on patients in hospital.
    Lagging indicator. The recent rises haven’t fully fed through yet.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639

    DougSeal said:

    Sandpit said:

    DougSeal said:

    I really do think we need to keep more of an eye on this than people on here think...


    Case numbers are pretty much now irrelevant. The important stat is numbers in hospital, which are remaining steady.
    Hmmm...not looking that great either TBH in terms of trend...


    Yes it is, that's pretty miniscule.

    Plus people are presenting to hospitals with less severe illnesses that result in discharges quicker, rather than severe cases that end up on a ventilator.

    On 30 April there were 1,153 patients in hospital.
    On 31 May (latest data) there are 932 patients in hospital.

    There's no upwards trend on patients in hospital.
    Hopefully you will be proved right. Let's see...
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,005
    Sandpit said:

    DougSeal said:

    I really do think we need to keep more of an eye on this than people on here think...


    Case numbers are pretty much now irrelevant. The important stat is numbers in hospital, which are remaining steady.
    They’re up.

    That cases surge looks to have started about 20 days ago. So hospitalisations should be about 10 days lagged.

    10 days ago, we were at 743 in hospital in England; this morning we were at 860.
    The increase is primarily in the NW and East of England, where the Delta outbreaks are worst.

    Could all be random fluctuations, but it’s still not ideal and not what I’d call flat.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    DougSeal said:

    @BealeLab

    “ Recent case data indeed not looking good, it would be folly to open up on 21 June. Were it not for variant delta (first detected in India), there would be no problem in fully opening domestic economy. Wouldn’t even be a serious debate. But here we are… again…”

    There’s. No. Way. 21. June. Will. Happen.

    You seem extremely confident, based on his assessment. As far as I can see, positive tests aren’t translating into hospitalisations. There will be an uptick in the latter, but given they are currently at a statistical zero (fewer people in hospital with covid than there are hospitals!) we can tolerate a lot more.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    Stocky said:

    Sandpit said:

    Liftoff for the vaccine rocket under the economy.

    Yeah, I've made a ton of savings because of WFH.

    I feel morally obligated to spend that money to help the economy and the people who have struggled these last fifteen months.

    #Altruistic
    The Northampton shoe industry will have to expand to cope.
    I don't need to buy any more footwear for the rest of the year.

    I'm all stocked up.

    It is Turnbull & Asser and the bespoke tailors of Savile Row that will see the majority of my clothing & footwear spending.
    I've developed a thing for buying excess clothes over lockdown too. Particularly linen shirts for some reason. I've picked up some good gear at tasty prices.
    Some fine silk cravats at Turnbull & Asser. D'you know any mutual acquaintances who you think might be interested in one? :wink:
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Worth reading Chris Hopson, NHS Providers on this…
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,919
    MaxPB said:

    It sorts of feels like the next 12-18 months will be ok, but not the next 3-5 years.

    It might explain why Boris wants a slightly early election.

    I actually think the UK economy is going to recover very strongly in the next 6 months and then grow very strongly over the next few years. People want a safe country to park their money and the UK is going to be a very strong choice as it sits outside of the ECJ and as that money filters through to the real economy we'll see a pretty big economic boost and boost in actual incomes.
    Rich foreigners parking their money here causes house price inflation. It is unlikely much money trickles down to the real economy.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,000
    This seems really concerning. 38 cases linked to one venue seems like a lot even if they didn’t all catch the virus there https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/fife/2288332/covid-scotland-outbreak-linked-to-styx-kirkcaldy-as-38-test-positive/
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    rpjs said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Only a couple of years ago Naomi Wolf was regarded as a massive authority on lots of subjects. That was before she made a major error with one of her books, and then became an anti-vaxxer, leading to her being banned from Twitter.

    And wasn't that book a repackaging of her PhD thesis?
    Yes.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,428

    Sandpit said:

    DougSeal said:

    I really do think we need to keep more of an eye on this than people on here think...


    Case numbers are pretty much now irrelevant. The important stat is numbers in hospital, which are remaining steady.
    They’re up.

    That cases surge looks to have started about 20 days ago. So hospitalisations should be about 10 days lagged.

    10 days ago, we were at 743 in hospital in England; this morning we were at 860.
    The increase is primarily in the NW and East of England, where the Delta outbreaks are worst.

    Could all be random fluctuations, but it’s still not ideal and not what I’d call flat.
    Dashboard says 805, where does 860 come from? In the sw we have 13 in hospital in the entire region, with 1 admission and 1 on ventilation.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    edited June 2021

    DougSeal said:

    Sandpit said:

    DougSeal said:

    I really do think we need to keep more of an eye on this than people on here think...


    Case numbers are pretty much now irrelevant. The important stat is numbers in hospital, which are remaining steady.
    Hmmm...not looking that great either TBH in terms of trend...


    Yes it is, that's pretty miniscule.

    Plus people are presenting to hospitals with less severe illnesses that result in discharges quicker, rather than severe cases that end up on a ventilator.

    On 30 April there were 1,153 patients in hospital.
    On 31 May (latest data) there are 932 patients in hospital.

    There's no upwards trend on patients in hospital.
    In England beds occupied have gone up from 743 ten days ago to over 800 today. That’s anything but flat.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,656
    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    @BealeLab

    “ Recent case data indeed not looking good, it would be folly to open up on 21 June. Were it not for variant delta (first detected in India), there would be no problem in fully opening domestic economy. Wouldn’t even be a serious debate. But here we are… again…”

    There’s. No. Way. 21. June. Will. Happen.

    June 21st will happen.
    In the most literal sense of the date following the 20th, yes it will happen, but there cannot be any chance now of a full reopening of the economy,
    My work has a scheduled return to the office for the 5th of July, we've modified that to say only people who have been double jabbed will return to the office, everyone else has to wait until 10 days after their second jab.

    I suspect the government will operate on those lines.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,428
    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    Sandpit said:

    DougSeal said:

    I really do think we need to keep more of an eye on this than people on here think...


    Case numbers are pretty much now irrelevant. The important stat is numbers in hospital, which are remaining steady.
    Hmmm...not looking that great either TBH in terms of trend...


    Yes it is, that's pretty miniscule.

    Plus people are presenting to hospitals with less severe illnesses that result in discharges quicker, rather than severe cases that end up on a ventilator.

    On 30 April there were 1,153 patients in hospital.
    On 31 May (latest data) there are 932 patients in hospital.

    There's no upwards trend on patients in hospital.
    In England beds occupied have gone up from 743 ten days ago to 860 today. That’s anything but flat.
    Dashboard says 805...
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,724

    MaxPB said:

    Floater said:

    stodge said:

    In the past month the share of adult population to have received at least one dose of vaccine have gone from 66.6% to 76.8%
    That means there's 30% fewer unvaccinated adults now than there were a month ago.

    In the past month the share of adult population to have received two doses of vaccine have gone from 31.8% to 53%
    That means there's 31% fewer adults without two doses now than there were a month ago.

    Considering that vaccinations are being prioritised based upon need there's frankly ever fewer and fewer people left to be infected, even if cases increase.

    Some significant local variations, Philip.

    In Newham, 120,000 adults (48%) over the age of 30 have yet to receive a first vaccination. That's not an insignificant number and while, to now, the Borough has managed to dodge most of the infection surges, I can't believe our "luck" will last forever.
    What is stopping them being vaccinated??
    Stupidity.
    No, every time they try and get a vaccination, a hypersonic UFO gets in the way....
    Is that Jezza's excuse?
    Well, if its a choice between

    1) They chose not to and are responsible as moral agents
    2) It was aliens

    Which do you think he would chose?
    Jews.
    All of them?
    Eh?

    I'm saying that's what Jezza would choose. Without it even being an option, that's what he'd choose.
    What about "Jewish Aliens"?
    Ah.. now there's a thing.....
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,919

    To stray off topic... Cristina Pagel in the guardian is now putting her hopes on the vaccination protection falling incredibly quickly in older people, specifically suggesting that for the most vulnerable it’s now at least three months since their last jab. I think this is terrible science. Reinfection after previous bought of Covid has been negligible, and there is every reason to think that vaccination will give as good, if not better protection. I think her belief is once more based on antibody titres falling, and neglecting that this is not the whole immune system. If this being peer review rather than paid by the guardian, it would be picked up on. It really does look like she, and others, are working from their worst case scenario hopes and trying to find a way it could happen.

    Hopes? Beliefs, maybe; forecasts certainly; but surely not hopes.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    To stray off topic... Cristina Pagel in the guardian is now putting her hopes on the vaccination protection falling incredibly quickly in older people, specifically suggesting that for the most vulnerable it’s now at least three months since their last jab. I think this is terrible science. Reinfection after previous bought of Covid has been negligible, and there is every reason to think that vaccination will give as good, if not better protection. I think her belief is once more based on antibody titres falling, and neglecting that this is not the whole immune system. If this being peer review rather than paid by the guardian, it would be picked up on. It really does look like she, and others, are working from their worst case scenario hopes and trying to find a way it could happen.

    Hopes? Beliefs, maybe; forecasts certainly; but surely not hopes.
    Eeyore waves hello.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,428

    To stray off topic... Cristina Pagel in the guardian is now putting her hopes on the vaccination protection falling incredibly quickly in older people, specifically suggesting that for the most vulnerable it’s now at least three months since their last jab. I think this is terrible science. Reinfection after previous bought of Covid has been negligible, and there is every reason to think that vaccination will give as good, if not better protection. I think her belief is once more based on antibody titres falling, and neglecting that this is not the whole immune system. If this being peer review rather than paid by the guardian, it would be picked up on. It really does look like she, and others, are working from their worst case scenario hopes and trying to find a way it could happen.

    Hopes? Beliefs, maybe; forecasts certainly; but surely not hopes.
    I don’t know, the way it comes across is hopes. You are probably correct though.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    Sandpit said:

    DougSeal said:

    I really do think we need to keep more of an eye on this than people on here think...


    Case numbers are pretty much now irrelevant. The important stat is numbers in hospital, which are remaining steady.
    Hmmm...not looking that great either TBH in terms of trend...


    Yes it is, that's pretty miniscule.

    Plus people are presenting to hospitals with less severe illnesses that result in discharges quicker, rather than severe cases that end up on a ventilator.

    On 30 April there were 1,153 patients in hospital.
    On 31 May (latest data) there are 932 patients in hospital.

    There's no upwards trend on patients in hospital.
    In England beds occupied have gone up from 743 ten days ago to 860 today. That’s anything but flat.
    Dashboard says 805...
    860 is from the daily PHE data. The dashboard is updated weekly for beds occupied.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,428
    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    Sandpit said:

    DougSeal said:

    I really do think we need to keep more of an eye on this than people on here think...


    Case numbers are pretty much now irrelevant. The important stat is numbers in hospital, which are remaining steady.
    Hmmm...not looking that great either TBH in terms of trend...


    Yes it is, that's pretty miniscule.

    Plus people are presenting to hospitals with less severe illnesses that result in discharges quicker, rather than severe cases that end up on a ventilator.

    On 30 April there were 1,153 patients in hospital.
    On 31 May (latest data) there are 932 patients in hospital.

    There's no upwards trend on patients in hospital.
    In England beds occupied have gone up from 743 ten days ago to over 800 today. That’s anything but flat.
    743 to 805. 6% increase?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,770

    Worth reading Chris Hopson, NHS Providers on this…

    Ah @Anabobazina - I was a bit rude and grumpy last night. I hope you'll accept my apology.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,428
    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    Sandpit said:

    DougSeal said:

    I really do think we need to keep more of an eye on this than people on here think...


    Case numbers are pretty much now irrelevant. The important stat is numbers in hospital, which are remaining steady.
    Hmmm...not looking that great either TBH in terms of trend...


    Yes it is, that's pretty miniscule.

    Plus people are presenting to hospitals with less severe illnesses that result in discharges quicker, rather than severe cases that end up on a ventilator.

    On 30 April there were 1,153 patients in hospital.
    On 31 May (latest data) there are 932 patients in hospital.

    There's no upwards trend on patients in hospital.
    In England beds occupied have gone up from 743 ten days ago to 860 today. That’s anything but flat.
    Dashboard says 805...
    860 is from the daily PHE data. The dashboard is updated weekly for beds occupied.
    Cheers.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,052
    Andy_JS said:

    Sadiq Khan: "No reason not to open on 21st June".

    https://twitter.com/MayorofLondon/status/1401974700398501894

    I always feel like a need to take a shower after agreeing with Sadiq Khan or Tony Blair, but on this I think he's spot on.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    Fishing said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Sadiq Khan: "No reason not to open on 21st June".

    https://twitter.com/MayorofLondon/status/1401974700398501894

    I always feel like a need to take a shower after agreeing with Sadiq Khan or Tony Blair, but on this I think he's spot on.
    Is he going to supplant Drakeford, the Prince of Wails, in PB’s affections?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Sandpit said:

    DougSeal said:

    I really do think we need to keep more of an eye on this than people on here think...


    Case numbers are pretty much now irrelevant. The important stat is numbers in hospital, which are remaining steady.
    They’re up.

    That cases surge looks to have started about 20 days ago. So hospitalisations should be about 10 days lagged.

    10 days ago, we were at 743 in hospital in England; this morning we were at 860.
    The increase is primarily in the NW and East of England, where the Delta outbreaks are worst.

    Could all be random fluctuations, but it’s still not ideal and not what I’d call flat.
    I'm not seeing the data you're seeing on the coronavirus.data.gov.uk website.

    Most recent UK data is 3/6 which had 932 in hospital. 10 days before that was 24/5 which had 955 in hospital. If that's an increase, I'm not seeing it.

    Same with patients on mechanical ventilation. In reverse order the data for England is: 119, 124, 116, 123, 110, 115, 112, 116, 110, 115, 117, 113, 111, 117, 115, 113, 114, 117, 116, 115, 115, 119, 123, 126

    If there's an increase there, I'm not seeing it.
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,005

    Sandpit said:

    DougSeal said:

    I really do think we need to keep more of an eye on this than people on here think...


    Case numbers are pretty much now irrelevant. The important stat is numbers in hospital, which are remaining steady.
    They’re up.

    That cases surge looks to have started about 20 days ago. So hospitalisations should be about 10 days lagged.

    10 days ago, we were at 743 in hospital in England; this morning we were at 860.
    The increase is primarily in the NW and East of England, where the Delta outbreaks are worst.

    Could all be random fluctuations, but it’s still not ideal and not what I’d call flat.
    Dashboard says 805, where does 860 come from? In the sw we have 13 in hospital in the entire region, with 1 admission and 1 on ventilation.
    Up to date figures for England are here: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/

    Hospital numbers for England up to this morning (rather than just the 3rd)
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487
    My plumber couldn't come out today because he's tested positive for Covid.

    Not sure of his age, but he can't be more than 35 years old. I don't know if he was vaccinated (presume he's at least had one?) but he works in many house every day and, I suspect, goes drinking with the lads regularly too.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Omnium said:

    Worth reading Chris Hopson, NHS Providers on this…

    Ah @Anabobazina - I was a bit rude and grumpy last night. I hope you'll accept my apology.
    No problem, and no apology required. I was also grumpy. It wasn’t a personal comment - I just find the general obsession with what the royals say and do bizarre!
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    Sandpit said:

    DougSeal said:

    I really do think we need to keep more of an eye on this than people on here think...


    Case numbers are pretty much now irrelevant. The important stat is numbers in hospital, which are remaining steady.
    Hmmm...not looking that great either TBH in terms of trend...


    Yes it is, that's pretty miniscule.

    Plus people are presenting to hospitals with less severe illnesses that result in discharges quicker, rather than severe cases that end up on a ventilator.

    On 30 April there were 1,153 patients in hospital.
    On 31 May (latest data) there are 932 patients in hospital.

    There's no upwards trend on patients in hospital.
    In England beds occupied have gone up from 743 ten days ago to over 800 today. That’s anything but flat.
    805 in the most recent data. 11 days prior it was 797.

    That's pretty flat. Its bounced around ~740 to ~800 on a daily basis since 16 May.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,656
    Fishing said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Sadiq Khan: "No reason not to open on 21st June".

    https://twitter.com/MayorofLondon/status/1401974700398501894

    I always feel like a need to take a shower after agreeing with Sadiq Khan or Tony Blair, but on this I think he's spot on.
    If you think that's bad, I found myself agreeing with Nigel Farage today.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,656

    My plumber couldn't come out today because he's tested positive for Covid.

    Not sure of his age, but he can't be more than 35 years old. I don't know if he was vaccinated (presume he's at least had one?) but he works in many house every day and, I suspect, goes drinking with the lads regularly too.

    Let's be honest, the only time plumbers turn up on time is in porn.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,585
    "Another racist tweet posted by a current England player has emerged, hours after Ollie Robinson was suspended from international cricket while an investigation into offensive tweets he posted in 2012 and 2013 is conducted.

    Wisden.com have chosen to obscure the identity of the player, who had yet to turn 16 at the time. The screenshotted post, with identifying details blanked out, is below."

    https://wisden.com/stories/news-stories/another-racist-tweet-posted-by-current-england-player-emerges
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    Sandpit said:

    DougSeal said:

    I really do think we need to keep more of an eye on this than people on here think...


    Case numbers are pretty much now irrelevant. The important stat is numbers in hospital, which are remaining steady.
    Hmmm...not looking that great either TBH in terms of trend...


    Yes it is, that's pretty miniscule.

    Plus people are presenting to hospitals with less severe illnesses that result in discharges quicker, rather than severe cases that end up on a ventilator.

    On 30 April there were 1,153 patients in hospital.
    On 31 May (latest data) there are 932 patients in hospital.

    There's no upwards trend on patients in hospital.
    In England beds occupied have gone up from 743 ten days ago to over 800 today. That’s anything but flat.
    805 in the most recent data. 11 days prior it was 797.

    That's pretty flat. Its bounced around ~740 to ~800 on a daily basis since 16 May.
    It’s 860. The daily PHE spreadsheet is at this link. The dashboard doesn’t update beds daily.

    https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/06/COVID-19-daily-admissions-and-beds-20210607.xlsx
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,005

    Sandpit said:

    DougSeal said:

    I really do think we need to keep more of an eye on this than people on here think...


    Case numbers are pretty much now irrelevant. The important stat is numbers in hospital, which are remaining steady.
    They’re up.

    That cases surge looks to have started about 20 days ago. So hospitalisations should be about 10 days lagged.

    10 days ago, we were at 743 in hospital in England; this morning we were at 860.
    The increase is primarily in the NW and East of England, where the Delta outbreaks are worst.

    Could all be random fluctuations, but it’s still not ideal and not what I’d call flat.
    I'm not seeing the data you're seeing on the coronavirus.data.gov.uk website.

    Most recent UK data is 3/6 which had 932 in hospital. 10 days before that was 24/5 which had 955 in hospital. If that's an increase, I'm not seeing it.

    Same with patients on mechanical ventilation. In reverse order the data for England is: 119, 124, 116, 123, 110, 115, 112, 116, 110, 115, 117, 113, 111, 117, 115, 113, 114, 117, 116, 115, 115, 119, 123, 126

    If there's an increase there, I'm not seeing it.
    In reverse order from this morning, from the NHS England data; last 10 days:
    Numbers in hospital - 860, 807, 782, 805, 779, 801, 776, 773, 755, 748
    Number on mechanical ventilation - 133, 131, 124, 119, 124, 116, 123, 110, 115, 112
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,533
    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Only a couple of years ago Naomi Wolf was regarded as a massive authority on lots of subjects. That was before she made a major error with one of her books, and then became an anti-vaxxer, leading to her being banned from Twitter.

    I think the issue with Wolf is she was always a tendentious fool, but that’s become much more obvious recently due to her higher profile.
    Just a gentle reminder that no-one in the normal world has a clue who she is. BTW who is she? Love Island? Megan Markle's personal trainer? Winner of The Apprentice? Does the weather on Channel 5? Nero Wolfe's big sister?

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    Andy_JS said:

    "Another racist tweet posted by a current England player has emerged, hours after Ollie Robinson was suspended from international cricket while an investigation into offensive tweets he posted in 2012 and 2013 is conducted.

    Wisden.com have chosen to obscure the identity of the player, who had yet to turn 16 at the time. The screenshotted post, with identifying details blanked out, is below."

    https://wisden.com/stories/news-stories/another-racist-tweet-posted-by-current-england-player-emerges

    Well, given the age profile that’s presumably one of Sibley, Lawrence, Crawley, Pope, Bracey or Overton.

    Most of the others were long past 16 before Twitter became a thing.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,263
    algarkirk said:

    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Only a couple of years ago Naomi Wolf was regarded as a massive authority on lots of subjects. That was before she made a major error with one of her books, and then became an anti-vaxxer, leading to her being banned from Twitter.

    I think the issue with Wolf is she was always a tendentious fool, but that’s become much more obvious recently due to her higher profile.
    Just a gentle reminder that no-one in the normal world has a clue who she is. BTW who is she? Love Island? Megan Markle's personal trainer? Winner of The Apprentice? Does the weather on Channel 5? Nero Wolfe's big sister?

    Something to do with the Bloomsbury Group, perhaps?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    My plumber couldn't come out today because he's tested positive for Covid.

    Not sure of his age, but he can't be more than 35 years old. I don't know if he was vaccinated (presume he's at least had one?) but he works in many house every day and, I suspect, goes drinking with the lads regularly too.

    Let's be honest, the only time plumbers turn up on time is in porn.
    Surely, on porn they always come early?

    Good night.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,919
    ydoethur said:

    rpjs said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Only a couple of years ago Naomi Wolf was regarded as a massive authority on lots of subjects. That was before she made a major error with one of her books, and then became an anti-vaxxer, leading to her being banned from Twitter.

    And wasn't that book a repackaging of her PhD thesis?
    Yes.
    Humanities PhDs are quite often repackaged as books, are they not? At least by those who would remain in academia.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    Sandpit said:

    DougSeal said:

    I really do think we need to keep more of an eye on this than people on here think...


    Case numbers are pretty much now irrelevant. The important stat is numbers in hospital, which are remaining steady.
    They’re up.

    That cases surge looks to have started about 20 days ago. So hospitalisations should be about 10 days lagged.

    10 days ago, we were at 743 in hospital in England; this morning we were at 860.
    The increase is primarily in the NW and East of England, where the Delta outbreaks are worst.

    Could all be random fluctuations, but it’s still not ideal and not what I’d call flat.
    I'm not seeing the data you're seeing on the coronavirus.data.gov.uk website.

    Most recent UK data is 3/6 which had 932 in hospital. 10 days before that was 24/5 which had 955 in hospital. If that's an increase, I'm not seeing it.

    Same with patients on mechanical ventilation. In reverse order the data for England is: 119, 124, 116, 123, 110, 115, 112, 116, 110, 115, 117, 113, 111, 117, 115, 113, 114, 117, 116, 115, 115, 119, 123, 126

    If there's an increase there, I'm not seeing it.
    In reverse order from this morning, from the NHS England data; last 10 days:
    Numbers in hospital - 860, 807, 782, 805, 779, 801, 776, 773, 755, 748
    Number on mechanical ventilation - 133, 131, 124, 119, 124, 116, 123, 110, 115, 112
    I don’t know how anyone can call that “flat”.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    algarkirk said:

    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Only a couple of years ago Naomi Wolf was regarded as a massive authority on lots of subjects. That was before she made a major error with one of her books, and then became an anti-vaxxer, leading to her being banned from Twitter.

    I think the issue with Wolf is she was always a tendentious fool, but that’s become much more obvious recently due to her higher profile.
    Just a gentle reminder that no-one in the normal world has a clue who she is. BTW who is she? Love Island? Megan Markle's personal trainer? Winner of The Apprentice? Does the weather on Channel 5? Nero Wolfe's big sister?

    No.

    She’s the first cousin of Wolf from Gladiators.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Looking at hospitalisations etc and trying to determine if they are rising is I think missing the point. The question is, even if they do begin to rise, how much of a concern is it? The doomsters insist the any rise must prompt extreme measures because by the time you realise you’ve a problem it’s too late. But the counter is that any rises should not be seen as concerning because they will hit an impenetrable wall. The argument is simply that these people spend far too much time drawing lessons from last year and looking at models, and not nearly enough time looking at real world experience of places like Bolton.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,656
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Liftoff for the vaccine rocket under the economy.

    Yeah, I've made a ton of savings because of WFH.

    I feel morally obligated to spend that money to help the economy and the people who have struggled these last fifteen months.

    #Altruistic
    Freakonomics had a good episode recently about WFH...it could well be another driver of inequality, if you have a profession where you can WFH from basically anywhere, you can easily choose to live somewhere cheaper and save all the money on commuting etc, extending your advantage over others.

    Where as if you are a bus driver in London, you can hardly move to more than a quite limited distance from the capital with all the costs that incurs.
    With the new flexible season tickets this is something that will get worse.

    I'm fortunate that I work for a great employer, last March they spared no expense so we could all comfortably work from home, from paying for desks and chairs, and improved broadband/internet connections.

    One colleague he and his wife who also worked from home, plus two teenage kids had to share a 37 Mbps internet connection.

    Work paid for them to have a second internet connection as well mobile broadband coverage.
    Flexible season tickets is a contradiction in terms! The whole point of a season ticket is that you can use it as much as you like in a given time period. That’s the definition of flexible!

    What people want is the day rate to be the same as the annual rate. What will happen is that there will end up being a single rate (that will look suspiciously like the day rate) and you simply pay for one journey at a time with the option of loading journeys on to a smart card.
    TPE and EMR are offering me a flexi season ticket that allows me 8 days of travel in 28 days.

    It is brilliant and looks very reasonably priced.
    I guess if the industry feels it needs to attract customers then we could see a genuine fall in prices. But that will have to be paid for (hello Mr Sunak) and I don’t think it’s great for the case for HS2.

    Another dilemma is, how do we cope with everyone wanting to go into the office Tue-Thu. Cheaper rates on Fri-Mon?
    I think HS2 looks even worse with us all set up to WFH.

    I think our CEO isn't the only one to notice we've managed to increase sales/improve profitability despite our travel and entertainment being reduced to close to zero.

    I'm also largely expecting to WFH this winter, I know I'm not alone.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,902

    My plumber couldn't come out today because he's tested positive for Covid.

    Not sure of his age, but he can't be more than 35 years old. I don't know if he was vaccinated (presume he's at least had one?) but he works in many house every day and, I suspect, goes drinking with the lads regularly too.

    Let's be honest, the only time plumbers turn up on time is in porn.
    The step-moms are plumbers?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,080
    edited June 2021
    Andy_JS said:

    "Another racist tweet posted by a current England player has emerged, hours after Ollie Robinson was suspended from international cricket while an investigation into offensive tweets he posted in 2012 and 2013 is conducted.

    Wisden.com have chosen to obscure the identity of the player, who had yet to turn 16 at the time. The screenshotted post, with identifying details blanked out, is below."

    https://wisden.com/stories/news-stories/another-racist-tweet-posted-by-current-england-player-emerges

    Entirely predictable...now they have set this bar, they have opened a massive.can of worms e.g. can Overton ever be picked?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    alex_ said:

    Looking at hospitalisations etc and trying to determine if they are rising is I think missing the point. The question is, even if they do begin to rise, how much of a concern is it? The doomsters insist the any rise must prompt extreme measures because by the time you realise you’ve a problem it’s too late. But the counter is that any rises should not be seen as concerning because they will hit an impenetrable wall. The argument is simply that these people spend far too much time drawing lessons from last year and looking at models, and not nearly enough time looking at real world experience of places like Bolton.

    I’ve said it before and will say again, pretty much every model I have seen excludes any vaccine effect. Which is… odd in the extreme.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,219

    Stocky said:

    Sandpit said:

    Liftoff for the vaccine rocket under the economy.

    Yeah, I've made a ton of savings because of WFH.

    I feel morally obligated to spend that money to help the economy and the people who have struggled these last fifteen months.

    #Altruistic
    The Northampton shoe industry will have to expand to cope.
    I don't need to buy any more footwear for the rest of the year.

    I'm all stocked up.

    It is Turnbull & Asser and the bespoke tailors of Savile Row that will see the majority of my clothing & footwear spending.
    I've developed a thing for buying excess clothes over lockdown too. Particularly linen shirts for some reason. I've picked up some good gear at tasty prices.
    Some fine silk cravats at Turnbull & Asser. D'you know any mutual acquaintances who you think might be interested in one? :wink:
    Yes! Yes I can.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,612

    Sandpit said:

    DougSeal said:

    I really do think we need to keep more of an eye on this than people on here think...


    Case numbers are pretty much now irrelevant. The important stat is numbers in hospital, which are remaining steady.
    They’re up.

    That cases surge looks to have started about 20 days ago. So hospitalisations should be about 10 days lagged.

    10 days ago, we were at 743 in hospital in England; this morning we were at 860.
    The increase is primarily in the NW and East of England, where the Delta outbreaks are worst.

    Could all be random fluctuations, but it’s still not ideal and not what I’d call flat.
    I'm not seeing the data you're seeing on the coronavirus.data.gov.uk website.

    Most recent UK data is 3/6 which had 932 in hospital. 10 days before that was 24/5 which had 955 in hospital. If that's an increase, I'm not seeing it.

    Same with patients on mechanical ventilation. In reverse order the data for England is: 119, 124, 116, 123, 110, 115, 112, 116, 110, 115, 117, 113, 111, 117, 115, 113, 114, 117, 116, 115, 115, 119, 123, 126

    If there's an increase there, I'm not seeing it.
    I think there's a wavelet slowly rippling out from Bolton but which will likely grow ever weaker as vaccinations increase.

    It will lead to hospitalisations increasing for a couple of weeks in each local area it hits followed by them falling (as is already happening in Bolton).

    There's a smaller effect originating in Bedford.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,419

    Andy_JS said:

    "Another racist tweet posted by a current England player has emerged, hours after Ollie Robinson was suspended from international cricket while an investigation into offensive tweets he posted in 2012 and 2013 is conducted.

    Wisden.com have chosen to obscure the identity of the player, who had yet to turn 16 at the time. The screenshotted post, with identifying details blanked out, is below."

    https://wisden.com/stories/news-stories/another-racist-tweet-posted-by-current-england-player-emerges

    Under 16?

    Some people need to get a fucking grip and not be trawling through decades old Tweets by children looking for something to take offence to.

    I'm all for BLM, taking a knee, anti-racism etc. But this sort of thing is just pathetic - and creepy too.
    No wonder some cricketers have been deleting their twitter accounts. Under 16, a school child.

    There must be interns currrently scanning stars twitter feeds for anything they can throw at them.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Andy_JS said:

    "Another racist tweet posted by a current England player has emerged, hours after Ollie Robinson was suspended from international cricket while an investigation into offensive tweets he posted in 2012 and 2013 is conducted.

    Wisden.com have chosen to obscure the identity of the player, who had yet to turn 16 at the time. The screenshotted post, with identifying details blanked out, is below."

    https://wisden.com/stories/news-stories/another-racist-tweet-posted-by-current-england-player-emerges

    Under 16?

    Some people need to get a fucking grip and not be trawling through decades old Tweets by children looking for something to take offence to.

    I'm all for BLM, taking a knee, anti-racism etc. But this sort of thing is just pathetic - and creepy too.
    Apparently Root, Roy & Dom Bess have been deleting tweets, but might be nothing in it, and people just playing silly Billy’s
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883
    I notice that Pembrokeshire's figures has risen to 11 per 100,000. Could be a function of caravan and camping holiday makers.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518

    alex_ said:

    Looking at hospitalisations etc and trying to determine if they are rising is I think missing the point. The question is, even if they do begin to rise, how much of a concern is it? The doomsters insist the any rise must prompt extreme measures because by the time you realise you’ve a problem it’s too late. But the counter is that any rises should not be seen as concerning because they will hit an impenetrable wall. The argument is simply that these people spend far too much time drawing lessons from last year and looking at models, and not nearly enough time looking at real world experience of places like Bolton.

    I’ve said it before and will say again, pretty much every model I have seen excludes any vaccine effect. Which is… odd in the extreme.
    They also, I think (even where they to account for vaccines) make worst case assumptions in relation to liking infection to serious illness. How much do we really know about the level of protection afforded by a single shot. We are told it has low levels of efficacy against infection, perhaps even against symptomatic infection. But what about serious illness or worse?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    alex_ said:

    Looking at hospitalisations etc and trying to determine if they are rising is I think missing the point. The question is, even if they do begin to rise, how much of a concern is it? The doomsters insist the any rise must prompt extreme measures because by the time you realise you’ve a problem it’s too late. But the counter is that any rises should not be seen as concerning because they will hit an impenetrable wall. The argument is simply that these people spend far too much time drawing lessons from last year and looking at models, and not nearly enough time looking at real world experience of places like Bolton.

    I’ve said it before and will say again, pretty much every model I have seen excludes any vaccine effect. Which is… odd in the extreme.
    Check out @JamesWard73 on Twitter. His certainly do.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Another racist tweet posted by a current England player has emerged, hours after Ollie Robinson was suspended from international cricket while an investigation into offensive tweets he posted in 2012 and 2013 is conducted.

    Wisden.com have chosen to obscure the identity of the player, who had yet to turn 16 at the time. The screenshotted post, with identifying details blanked out, is below."

    https://wisden.com/stories/news-stories/another-racist-tweet-posted-by-current-england-player-emerges

    Well, given the age profile that’s presumably one of Sibley, Lawrence, Crawley, Pope, Bracey or Overton.

    Most of the others were long past 16 before Twitter became a thing.
    None of those according to Twitter speculation.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Sadiq Khan is backing a full opening up on 21 June after speaking daily to health officials.

    Interesting.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,656
    Talking about the cricket, if you've not watched Spinwash on Sky Cricket then watch it, it really is an eye opener and amusing.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,429
    tlg86 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Liftoff for the vaccine rocket under the economy.

    Yeah, I've made a ton of savings because of WFH.

    I feel morally obligated to spend that money to help the economy and the people who have struggled these last fifteen months.

    #Altruistic
    Freakonomics had a good episode recently about WFH...it could well be another driver of inequality, if you have a profession where you can WFH from basically anywhere, you can easily choose to live somewhere cheaper and save all the money on commuting etc, extending your advantage over others.

    Where as if you are a bus driver in London, you can hardly move to more than a quite limited distance from the capital with all the costs that incurs.
    Though, if London does become less desirable, that does benefit those that have to live there.

    The interesting question is, what happens to London weighting? There have been whispers that the civil service might start cutting wages if people refuse to go to the office.

    In a funny kind of way, we could end up with some people spending more time in the office. Pre-COVID there was a tendency for more senior members of staff to come and go as they pleased at my place. If we move to a more formal “you need to spend x number of hours at your desk”, some staff members will actually have to do more time in the office as it’ll have to apply to everyone.
    Covid has made London more agreeable, in some ways. There are near-zero foreign tourists, so everywhere that is fun is less crowded. You can drive around the West End without a care (apart from the Congestion Charge)

    And everyone everywhere is a Londoner. We reclaim our city, just for one summer. Camden Market is OURS.

    It feels like the 1960s
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    Sadiq Khan is backing a full opening up on 21 June after speaking daily to health officials.

    Interesting.

    Yes, coming from an opposition party politician it certainly makes you sit up and take notice, although it has to be said he has to get London moving and fast.
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,005
    DougSeal said:

    Sandpit said:

    DougSeal said:

    I really do think we need to keep more of an eye on this than people on here think...


    Case numbers are pretty much now irrelevant. The important stat is numbers in hospital, which are remaining steady.
    They’re up.

    That cases surge looks to have started about 20 days ago. So hospitalisations should be about 10 days lagged.

    10 days ago, we were at 743 in hospital in England; this morning we were at 860.
    The increase is primarily in the NW and East of England, where the Delta outbreaks are worst.

    Could all be random fluctuations, but it’s still not ideal and not what I’d call flat.
    I'm not seeing the data you're seeing on the coronavirus.data.gov.uk website.

    Most recent UK data is 3/6 which had 932 in hospital. 10 days before that was 24/5 which had 955 in hospital. If that's an increase, I'm not seeing it.

    Same with patients on mechanical ventilation. In reverse order the data for England is: 119, 124, 116, 123, 110, 115, 112, 116, 110, 115, 117, 113, 111, 117, 115, 113, 114, 117, 116, 115, 115, 119, 123, 126

    If there's an increase there, I'm not seeing it.
    In reverse order from this morning, from the NHS England data; last 10 days:
    Numbers in hospital - 860, 807, 782, 805, 779, 801, 776, 773, 755, 748
    Number on mechanical ventilation - 133, 131, 124, 119, 124, 116, 123, 110, 115, 112
    I don’t know how anyone can call that “flat”.
    A couple of potential straws:

    - The increase in numbers overall is primarily in the NW and East; and the increase in mechanical ventilation numbers is almost entirely there. Implying it’s primarily the Delta outbreaks (and a few of them are coming under control). Also implies that without Delta, we’d have been golden.
    - The duration of time in hospital seems to be decreasing (number is now c. 7.5 days of admissions). Discharge rates seem to have started increasing first and have only recently been outweighed by the increasing admissions rates, which has bought us a week or two. Given the vaccination improvements, that makes some difference.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,080
    edited June 2021
    A 15.year olds tw@ters, that is some serious barrel scraping journalism.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    edited June 2021
    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Another racist tweet posted by a current England player has emerged, hours after Ollie Robinson was suspended from international cricket while an investigation into offensive tweets he posted in 2012 and 2013 is conducted.

    Wisden.com have chosen to obscure the identity of the player, who had yet to turn 16 at the time. The screenshotted post, with identifying details blanked out, is below."

    https://wisden.com/stories/news-stories/another-racist-tweet-posted-by-current-england-player-emerges

    Under 16?

    Some people need to get a fucking grip and not be trawling through decades old Tweets by children looking for something to take offence to.

    I'm all for BLM, taking a knee, anti-racism etc. But this sort of thing is just pathetic - and creepy too.
    No wonder some cricketers have been deleting their twitter accounts. Under 16, a school child.

    There must be interns currrently scanning stars twitter feeds for anything they can throw at them.
    Guido does this with politicians, but I think there is some value in that as it tends to reveal what these people are like.

    I’m not fussed what a medium pace bowler said 9 years ago. I know it’s a cliche, but seam bowlers aren’t the sharpest tools in the box. Just look at the Sky commentary box. Michael Holding is the token fast bowler.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,865

    Sadiq Khan is backing a full opening up on 21 June after speaking daily to health officials.

    Interesting.

    Wow, unexpectedly positive from him but I suspect he's realised that London is fucked unless all of this is binned, especially permanent WFH. That's killing the city centre.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639

    Sadiq Khan is backing a full opening up on 21 June after speaking daily to health officials.

    Interesting.

    London has got a bit worse but not much, and no borough is up to 100 cases per 100,000 in a 7 day period.

    Interestingly, certain areas of W London which had been doing relatively poorly over the last few months have stabilised/improved in relative terms.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    DougSeal

    Ward himself says that if Hancock is right about 40% transmissibility advantage for Delta, we should go ahead on 21 June.

    So he’s waiting for more data.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    edited June 2021

    Sadiq Khan is backing a full opening up on 21 June after speaking daily to health officials.

    Interesting.

    Given his submariner tendencies, that must mean either that he knows it's on and wants to grab a little credit for when it happens, or he knows it's off and wants to deflect blame if London gets locked down because of Blackburn...
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    tlg86 said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Another racist tweet posted by a current England player has emerged, hours after Ollie Robinson was suspended from international cricket while an investigation into offensive tweets he posted in 2012 and 2013 is conducted.

    Wisden.com have chosen to obscure the identity of the player, who had yet to turn 16 at the time. The screenshotted post, with identifying details blanked out, is below."

    https://wisden.com/stories/news-stories/another-racist-tweet-posted-by-current-england-player-emerges

    Under 16?

    Some people need to get a fucking grip and not be trawling through decades old Tweets by children looking for something to take offence to.

    I'm all for BLM, taking a knee, anti-racism etc. But this sort of thing is just pathetic - and creepy too.
    No wonder some cricketers have been deleting their twitter accounts. Under 16, a school child.

    There must be interns currrently scanning stars twitter feeds for anything they can throw at them.
    Guido does this with politicians, but I think there is some value in that as it tends to reveal what these people are like.

    I’m not fussed what a medium pace bowler said 9 years ago. I know it’s a cliche, but seam bowlers aren’t the sharpest tools in the box. Just look at the Sky commentary box. Michael Holding is the token fast bowler.
    I am not sure what you say when you are 16, and trying to appear something you are not in front of your peers and a social environment which is often pretty toxic on many levels, tells anyone much about the person you are as a fully matured adult.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518

    Sadiq Khan is backing a full opening up on 21 June after speaking daily to health officials.

    Interesting.

    London has got a bit worse but not much, and no borough is up to 100 cases per 100,000 in a 7 day period.

    Interestingly, certain areas of W London which had been doing relatively poorly over the last few months have stabilised/improved in relative terms.
    Kingston had a weird spike a few days ago above 100 but is now coming down.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126
    Andy_JS said:

    "Another racist tweet posted by a current England player has emerged, hours after Ollie Robinson was suspended from international cricket while an investigation into offensive tweets he posted in 2012 and 2013 is conducted.

    Wisden.com have chosen to obscure the identity of the player, who had yet to turn 16 at the time. The screenshotted post, with identifying details blanked out, is below."

    https://wisden.com/stories/news-stories/another-racist-tweet-posted-by-current-england-player-emerges

    What's the point of that? Now people will just hunt out which player it is - so Wisden might as well save people the effort.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,201
    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Another racist tweet posted by a current England player has emerged, hours after Ollie Robinson was suspended from international cricket while an investigation into offensive tweets he posted in 2012 and 2013 is conducted.

    Wisden.com have chosen to obscure the identity of the player, who had yet to turn 16 at the time. The screenshotted post, with identifying details blanked out, is below."

    https://wisden.com/stories/news-stories/another-racist-tweet-posted-by-current-england-player-emerges

    Well, given the age profile that’s presumably one of Sibley, Lawrence, Crawley, Pope, Bracey or Overton.

    Most of the others were long past 16 before Twitter became a thing.
    Surely Craig Overton should be cancelled if Ollie Robinson is https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/dec/13/ashar-zaidi-somerset-craig-overton-apologise-racist-behaviour

    He was 22 when that happened !
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,585
    edited June 2021

    Sadiq Khan is backing a full opening up on 21 June after speaking daily to health officials.

    Interesting.

    He correctly realises that central London can't function properly unless more people start using the cafes, shops, trains, tube, etc.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited June 2021

    Talking about the cricket, if you've not watched Spinwash on Sky Cricket then watch it, it really is an eye opener and amusing.

    Yes, I enjoyed that. Featuring two of my favourite ever England players. Probably the top two
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    TimT said:

    tlg86 said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Another racist tweet posted by a current England player has emerged, hours after Ollie Robinson was suspended from international cricket while an investigation into offensive tweets he posted in 2012 and 2013 is conducted.

    Wisden.com have chosen to obscure the identity of the player, who had yet to turn 16 at the time. The screenshotted post, with identifying details blanked out, is below."

    https://wisden.com/stories/news-stories/another-racist-tweet-posted-by-current-england-player-emerges

    Under 16?

    Some people need to get a fucking grip and not be trawling through decades old Tweets by children looking for something to take offence to.

    I'm all for BLM, taking a knee, anti-racism etc. But this sort of thing is just pathetic - and creepy too.
    No wonder some cricketers have been deleting their twitter accounts. Under 16, a school child.

    There must be interns currrently scanning stars twitter feeds for anything they can throw at them.
    Guido does this with politicians, but I think there is some value in that as it tends to reveal what these people are like.

    I’m not fussed what a medium pace bowler said 9 years ago. I know it’s a cliche, but seam bowlers aren’t the sharpest tools in the box. Just look at the Sky commentary box. Michael Holding is the token fast bowler.
    I am not sure what you say when you are 16, and trying to appear something you are not in front of your peers and a social environment which is often pretty toxic on many levels, tells anyone much about the person you are as a fully matured adult.
    Guido doesn’t tend to do it to 16 year olds!

    Quite what age it becomes more telling, I’m not sure. Maybe 25? I guess that lets Sultana off the hook as I think she was 22 when she was posting nasty stuff.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,298

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    Sandpit said:

    DougSeal said:

    I really do think we need to keep more of an eye on this than people on here think...


    Case numbers are pretty much now irrelevant. The important stat is numbers in hospital, which are remaining steady.
    Hmmm...not looking that great either TBH in terms of trend...


    Yes it is, that's pretty miniscule.

    Plus people are presenting to hospitals with less severe illnesses that result in discharges quicker, rather than severe cases that end up on a ventilator.

    On 30 April there were 1,153 patients in hospital.
    On 31 May (latest data) there are 932 patients in hospital.

    There's no upwards trend on patients in hospital.
    In England beds occupied have gone up from 743 ten days ago to over 800 today. That’s anything but flat.
    805 in the most recent data. 11 days prior it was 797.

    That's pretty flat. Its bounced around ~740 to ~800 on a daily basis since 16 May.
    FPT: my proposed bet is UK hospital admissions > 200 for at least 2 days in month of June. £20 to pb.com from loser. You game?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    Sandpit said:

    DougSeal said:

    I really do think we need to keep more of an eye on this than people on here think...


    Case numbers are pretty much now irrelevant. The important stat is numbers in hospital, which are remaining steady.
    Hmmm...not looking that great either TBH in terms of trend...


    Yes it is, that's pretty miniscule.

    Plus people are presenting to hospitals with less severe illnesses that result in discharges quicker, rather than severe cases that end up on a ventilator.

    On 30 April there were 1,153 patients in hospital.
    On 31 May (latest data) there are 932 patients in hospital.

    There's no upwards trend on patients in hospital.
    In England beds occupied have gone up from 743 ten days ago to over 800 today. That’s anything but flat.
    805 in the most recent data. 11 days prior it was 797.

    That's pretty flat. Its bounced around ~740 to ~800 on a daily basis since 16 May.
    It’s 860. The daily PHE spreadsheet is at this link. The dashboard doesn’t update beds daily.

    https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/06/COVID-19-daily-admissions-and-beds-20210607.xlsx
    So there's a single day that's the exception to the rule and that's meant to cause us all to freak out?

    A few issues with that. One is that we don't know whether that's due to vaccine refusers or due to vaccines not working. If the former then that doesn't change anything, the vaccine refusers could end up getting their antibodies one way or another, if they won't get it from vaccines then they risk getting it the hard way.

    Secondly the data could be warped at the moment due to half-term and the bank holiday etc. There's a pattern in the data that it ebbs and flows peaking on Mondays then receding again, almost as if people would rather go to the hospital instead of work rather than losing their weekend. So if some people have postponed going to hospital during half-term that could see a short spike now then it recedes again - and counting from the trough of ~740 when it was ~800 two days earlier/later than when it was ~740 is not really logical.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    Sadiq Khan is backing a full opening up on 21 June after speaking daily to health officials.

    Interesting.

    Given his submariner tendencies, that must mean either that he knows it's on and wants to grab a little credit for when it happens, or he knows it's off and wants to deflect blame if London gets locked down because of Blackburn...
    Why would he have to deflect blame in the latter case?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,080
    tlg86 said:

    TimT said:

    tlg86 said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Another racist tweet posted by a current England player has emerged, hours after Ollie Robinson was suspended from international cricket while an investigation into offensive tweets he posted in 2012 and 2013 is conducted.

    Wisden.com have chosen to obscure the identity of the player, who had yet to turn 16 at the time. The screenshotted post, with identifying details blanked out, is below."

    https://wisden.com/stories/news-stories/another-racist-tweet-posted-by-current-england-player-emerges

    Under 16?

    Some people need to get a fucking grip and not be trawling through decades old Tweets by children looking for something to take offence to.

    I'm all for BLM, taking a knee, anti-racism etc. But this sort of thing is just pathetic - and creepy too.
    No wonder some cricketers have been deleting their twitter accounts. Under 16, a school child.

    There must be interns currrently scanning stars twitter feeds for anything they can throw at them.
    Guido does this with politicians, but I think there is some value in that as it tends to reveal what these people are like.

    I’m not fussed what a medium pace bowler said 9 years ago. I know it’s a cliche, but seam bowlers aren’t the sharpest tools in the box. Just look at the Sky commentary box. Michael Holding is the token fast bowler.
    I am not sure what you say when you are 16, and trying to appear something you are not in front of your peers and a social environment which is often pretty toxic on many levels, tells anyone much about the person you are as a fully matured adult.
    Guido doesn’t tend to do it to 16 year olds!

    Quite what age it becomes more telling, I’m not sure. Maybe 25? I guess that lets Sultana off the hook as I think she was 22 when she was posting nasty stuff.
    He normally has a lot more than a single tweet...the ones he goes for normally have a body of work so to say.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126
    tlg86 said:

    TimT said:

    tlg86 said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Another racist tweet posted by a current England player has emerged, hours after Ollie Robinson was suspended from international cricket while an investigation into offensive tweets he posted in 2012 and 2013 is conducted.

    Wisden.com have chosen to obscure the identity of the player, who had yet to turn 16 at the time. The screenshotted post, with identifying details blanked out, is below."

    https://wisden.com/stories/news-stories/another-racist-tweet-posted-by-current-england-player-emerges

    Under 16?

    Some people need to get a fucking grip and not be trawling through decades old Tweets by children looking for something to take offence to.

    I'm all for BLM, taking a knee, anti-racism etc. But this sort of thing is just pathetic - and creepy too.
    No wonder some cricketers have been deleting their twitter accounts. Under 16, a school child.

    There must be interns currrently scanning stars twitter feeds for anything they can throw at them.
    Guido does this with politicians, but I think there is some value in that as it tends to reveal what these people are like.

    I’m not fussed what a medium pace bowler said 9 years ago. I know it’s a cliche, but seam bowlers aren’t the sharpest tools in the box. Just look at the Sky commentary box. Michael Holding is the token fast bowler.
    I am not sure what you say when you are 16, and trying to appear something you are not in front of your peers and a social environment which is often pretty toxic on many levels, tells anyone much about the person you are as a fully matured adult.
    Guido doesn’t tend to do it to 16 year olds!

    Quite what age it becomes more telling, I’m not sure. Maybe 25? I guess that lets Sultana off the hook as I think she was 22 when she was posting nasty stuff.
    Once you are an adult things will naturally take on a different level of seriousness, but I'd have thought the key would have been whether it is reflected by actions and words since then.

    That's what is silly about the Robinson punishment, as there was some talk about him needing to essentially go away and think about who he is and so on, but unless stuff emerges in the intervening period from when he was 18 and now, he doesn't have anything to think on, as he's already apologised. If they turn up a bunch more stuff, sure, that puts a different spin on it, but he won't learn anything from a suspension based on the old stuff, as he's already learned a lesson in that he doesn't tweet stuff like that anymore.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,419
    tlg86 said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Another racist tweet posted by a current England player has emerged, hours after Ollie Robinson was suspended from international cricket while an investigation into offensive tweets he posted in 2012 and 2013 is conducted.

    Wisden.com have chosen to obscure the identity of the player, who had yet to turn 16 at the time. The screenshotted post, with identifying details blanked out, is below."

    https://wisden.com/stories/news-stories/another-racist-tweet-posted-by-current-england-player-emerges

    Under 16?

    Some people need to get a fucking grip and not be trawling through decades old Tweets by children looking for something to take offence to.

    I'm all for BLM, taking a knee, anti-racism etc. But this sort of thing is just pathetic - and creepy too.
    No wonder some cricketers have been deleting their twitter accounts. Under 16, a school child.

    There must be interns currrently scanning stars twitter feeds for anything they can throw at them.
    Guido does this with politicians, but I think there is some value in that as it tends to reveal what these people are like.

    I’m not fussed what a medium pace bowler said 9 years ago. I know it’s a cliche, but seam bowlers aren’t the sharpest tools in the box. Just look at the Sky commentary box. Michael Holding is the token fast bowler.
    Bob Willis was always such a jolly chap on comms.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    rkrkrk said:

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    Sandpit said:

    DougSeal said:

    I really do think we need to keep more of an eye on this than people on here think...


    Case numbers are pretty much now irrelevant. The important stat is numbers in hospital, which are remaining steady.
    Hmmm...not looking that great either TBH in terms of trend...


    Yes it is, that's pretty miniscule.

    Plus people are presenting to hospitals with less severe illnesses that result in discharges quicker, rather than severe cases that end up on a ventilator.

    On 30 April there were 1,153 patients in hospital.
    On 31 May (latest data) there are 932 patients in hospital.

    There's no upwards trend on patients in hospital.
    In England beds occupied have gone up from 743 ten days ago to over 800 today. That’s anything but flat.
    805 in the most recent data. 11 days prior it was 797.

    That's pretty flat. Its bounced around ~740 to ~800 on a daily basis since 16 May.
    FPT: my proposed bet is UK hospital admissions > 200 for at least 2 days in month of June. £20 to pb.com from loser. You game?
    No, that's within the realms of natural variation. The 7 day average is ~125 now so having just 2 days in June reaching 200 is pretty meaningless.

    If it was doubling every 11 days it should be reaching 500 as a 7 day average by the end of June.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,080
    kle4 said:

    tlg86 said:

    TimT said:

    tlg86 said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Another racist tweet posted by a current England player has emerged, hours after Ollie Robinson was suspended from international cricket while an investigation into offensive tweets he posted in 2012 and 2013 is conducted.

    Wisden.com have chosen to obscure the identity of the player, who had yet to turn 16 at the time. The screenshotted post, with identifying details blanked out, is below."

    https://wisden.com/stories/news-stories/another-racist-tweet-posted-by-current-england-player-emerges

    Under 16?

    Some people need to get a fucking grip and not be trawling through decades old Tweets by children looking for something to take offence to.

    I'm all for BLM, taking a knee, anti-racism etc. But this sort of thing is just pathetic - and creepy too.
    No wonder some cricketers have been deleting their twitter accounts. Under 16, a school child.

    There must be interns currrently scanning stars twitter feeds for anything they can throw at them.
    Guido does this with politicians, but I think there is some value in that as it tends to reveal what these people are like.

    I’m not fussed what a medium pace bowler said 9 years ago. I know it’s a cliche, but seam bowlers aren’t the sharpest tools in the box. Just look at the Sky commentary box. Michael Holding is the token fast bowler.
    I am not sure what you say when you are 16, and trying to appear something you are not in front of your peers and a social environment which is often pretty toxic on many levels, tells anyone much about the person you are as a fully matured adult.
    Guido doesn’t tend to do it to 16 year olds!

    Quite what age it becomes more telling, I’m not sure. Maybe 25? I guess that lets Sultana off the hook as I think she was 22 when she was posting nasty stuff.
    Once you are an adult things will naturally take on a different level of seriousness, but I'd have thought the key would have been whether it is reflected by actions and words since then.

    That's what is silly about the Robinson punishment, as there was some talk about him needing to essentially go away and think about who he is and so on, but unless stuff emerges in the intervening period from when he was 18 and now, he doesn't have anything to think on, as he's already apologised. If they turn up a bunch more stuff, sure, that puts a different spin on it, but he won't learn anything from a suspension based on the old stuff, as he's already learned a lesson in that he doesn't tweet stuff like that anymore.
    If I was Robinson I would be extremely pissed off with the ECB...he did everything they asked of him, did an apology like he was some hostage, and then he comes out and top performance and rather than shake his hand they say watch out for that bus, what bus, arrhhhhh as he is pushed under it.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    tlg86 said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Another racist tweet posted by a current England player has emerged, hours after Ollie Robinson was suspended from international cricket while an investigation into offensive tweets he posted in 2012 and 2013 is conducted.

    Wisden.com have chosen to obscure the identity of the player, who had yet to turn 16 at the time. The screenshotted post, with identifying details blanked out, is below."

    https://wisden.com/stories/news-stories/another-racist-tweet-posted-by-current-england-player-emerges

    Under 16?

    Some people need to get a fucking grip and not be trawling through decades old Tweets by children looking for something to take offence to.

    I'm all for BLM, taking a knee, anti-racism etc. But this sort of thing is just pathetic - and creepy too.
    No wonder some cricketers have been deleting their twitter accounts. Under 16, a school child.

    There must be interns currrently scanning stars twitter feeds for anything they can throw at them.
    Guido does this with politicians, but I think there is some value in that as it tends to reveal what these people are like.

    I’m not fussed what a medium pace bowler said 9 years ago. I know it’s a cliche, but seam bowlers aren’t the sharpest tools in the box. Just look at the Sky commentary box. Michael Holding is the token fast bowler.
    Token fast bowler. 😂
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,988

    My plumber couldn't come out today because he's tested positive for Covid.

    Not sure of his age, but he can't be more than 35 years old. I don't know if he was vaccinated (presume he's at least had one?) but he works in many house every day and, I suspect, goes drinking with the lads regularly too.

    Let's be honest, the only time plumbers turn up on time is in porn.
    Never come early though..
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,030

    tlg86 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Liftoff for the vaccine rocket under the economy.

    Yeah, I've made a ton of savings because of WFH.

    I feel morally obligated to spend that money to help the economy and the people who have struggled these last fifteen months.

    #Altruistic
    Freakonomics had a good episode recently about WFH...it could well be another driver of inequality, if you have a profession where you can WFH from basically anywhere, you can easily choose to live somewhere cheaper and save all the money on commuting etc, extending your advantage over others.

    Where as if you are a bus driver in London, you can hardly move to more than a quite limited distance from the capital with all the costs that incurs.
    With the new flexible season tickets this is something that will get worse.

    I'm fortunate that I work for a great employer, last March they spared no expense so we could all comfortably work from home, from paying for desks and chairs, and improved broadband/internet connections.

    One colleague he and his wife who also worked from home, plus two teenage kids had to share a 37 Mbps internet connection.

    Work paid for them to have a second internet connection as well mobile broadband coverage.
    Flexible season tickets is a contradiction in terms! The whole point of a season ticket is that you can use it as much as you like in a given time period. That’s the definition of flexible!

    What people want is the day rate to be the same as the annual rate. What will happen is that there will end up being a single rate (that will look suspiciously like the day rate) and you simply pay for one journey at a time with the option of loading journeys on to a smart card.
    TPE and EMR are offering me a flexi season ticket that allows me 8 days of travel in 28 days.

    It is brilliant and looks very reasonably priced.
    Northern are doing the same. I have sent off for (and received) the free smartcard onto which the flexi season ticket is loaded. There are now card readers installed at the station so that you can flash and go.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    DougSeal said:

    Sadiq Khan is backing a full opening up on 21 June after speaking daily to health officials.

    Interesting.

    Given his submariner tendencies, that must mean either that he knows it's on and wants to grab a little credit for when it happens, or he knows it's off and wants to deflect blame if London gets locked down because of Blackburn...
    Why would he have to deflect blame in the latter case?
    In the sense of being able to say 'Look, I was on the record arguing that we should open up on time but the Government went against me on this because of cases in other parts of the country'. He's been alternating between pro- and anti-lockdown throughout, so he’ll want to get his positioning right this time.

    So I'm not sure if Sadiq’s intervention is good or bad news; but at least he’s correct this time, in my view.
  • Foxy said:

    Stocky said:

    Sandpit said:

    Liftoff for the vaccine rocket under the economy.

    Yeah, I've made a ton of savings because of WFH.

    I feel morally obligated to spend that money to help the economy and the people who have struggled these last fifteen months.

    #Altruistic
    The Northampton shoe industry will have to expand to cope.
    I don't need to buy any more footwear for the rest of the year.

    I'm all stocked up.

    It is Turnbull & Asser and the bespoke tailors of Savile Row that will see the majority of my clothing & footwear spending.
    I've developed a thing for buying excess clothes over lockdown too. Particularly linen shirts for some reason. I've picked up some good gear at tasty prices.
    Work clothes such as suits are a real bargain at the moment. Not that I am buying, as it looks like scrubs for a while yet. NHS England has told us at the weekend that the June 21st relaxation doesn't apply to health care settings.
    Any recommendations for where to buy a decent suit, @Foxy? I seem to need to upgrade my size a little (I blame lockdown) and I've found it very hard to replace my Austin Reed suits with anything of comparable quality.

    --AS
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    kle4 said:

    tlg86 said:

    TimT said:

    tlg86 said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Another racist tweet posted by a current England player has emerged, hours after Ollie Robinson was suspended from international cricket while an investigation into offensive tweets he posted in 2012 and 2013 is conducted.

    Wisden.com have chosen to obscure the identity of the player, who had yet to turn 16 at the time. The screenshotted post, with identifying details blanked out, is below."

    https://wisden.com/stories/news-stories/another-racist-tweet-posted-by-current-england-player-emerges

    Under 16?

    Some people need to get a fucking grip and not be trawling through decades old Tweets by children looking for something to take offence to.

    I'm all for BLM, taking a knee, anti-racism etc. But this sort of thing is just pathetic - and creepy too.
    No wonder some cricketers have been deleting their twitter accounts. Under 16, a school child.

    There must be interns currrently scanning stars twitter feeds for anything they can throw at them.
    Guido does this with politicians, but I think there is some value in that as it tends to reveal what these people are like.

    I’m not fussed what a medium pace bowler said 9 years ago. I know it’s a cliche, but seam bowlers aren’t the sharpest tools in the box. Just look at the Sky commentary box. Michael Holding is the token fast bowler.
    I am not sure what you say when you are 16, and trying to appear something you are not in front of your peers and a social environment which is often pretty toxic on many levels, tells anyone much about the person you are as a fully matured adult.
    Guido doesn’t tend to do it to 16 year olds!

    Quite what age it becomes more telling, I’m not sure. Maybe 25? I guess that lets Sultana off the hook as I think she was 22 when she was posting nasty stuff.
    Once you are an adult things will naturally take on a different level of seriousness, but I'd have thought the key would have been whether it is reflected by actions and words since then.

    That's what is silly about the Robinson punishment, as there was some talk about him needing to essentially go away and think about who he is and so on, but unless stuff emerges in the intervening period from when he was 18 and now, he doesn't have anything to think on, as he's already apologised. If they turn up a bunch more stuff, sure, that puts a different spin on it, but he won't learn anything from a suspension based on the old stuff, as he's already learned a lesson in that he doesn't tweet stuff like that anymore.
    Completely crazy to ban him at all. The worlds gone mad
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    dixiedean said:

    31% think the economy will get worse over the next 12 months?
    Who the heck are these people?

    Public Sector, Labour voters:

    Net "Improve":

    Con: +61
    Lab: +1
    LD: +39
    Public Sector: +2
    Private Sector: +29

    Oh, and Scots: +1

    Mind you, the way Nipoleon has carried on, the latter may have a point....

    https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2021-06/Ipsos MORI June Political Monitor_070621_PUBLIC.pdf
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,080
    edited June 2021
    It wasn't that long ago that some England players allegedly ran a twitter account that constantly abused their own team mate, KP.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,201

    tlg86 said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Another racist tweet posted by a current England player has emerged, hours after Ollie Robinson was suspended from international cricket while an investigation into offensive tweets he posted in 2012 and 2013 is conducted.

    Wisden.com have chosen to obscure the identity of the player, who had yet to turn 16 at the time. The screenshotted post, with identifying details blanked out, is below."

    https://wisden.com/stories/news-stories/another-racist-tweet-posted-by-current-england-player-emerges

    Under 16?

    Some people need to get a fucking grip and not be trawling through decades old Tweets by children looking for something to take offence to.

    I'm all for BLM, taking a knee, anti-racism etc. But this sort of thing is just pathetic - and creepy too.
    No wonder some cricketers have been deleting their twitter accounts. Under 16, a school child.

    There must be interns currrently scanning stars twitter feeds for anything they can throw at them.
    Guido does this with politicians, but I think there is some value in that as it tends to reveal what these people are like.

    I’m not fussed what a medium pace bowler said 9 years ago. I know it’s a cliche, but seam bowlers aren’t the sharpest tools in the box. Just look at the Sky commentary box. Michael Holding is the token fast bowler.
    Token fast bowler. 😂
    Cricket commentary & admin does tend to be dominated by batsmen tbf - Boycott, Vaughn, Hussain, Gower, Strauss, Knight
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,865

    Foxy said:

    Stocky said:

    Sandpit said:

    Liftoff for the vaccine rocket under the economy.

    Yeah, I've made a ton of savings because of WFH.

    I feel morally obligated to spend that money to help the economy and the people who have struggled these last fifteen months.

    #Altruistic
    The Northampton shoe industry will have to expand to cope.
    I don't need to buy any more footwear for the rest of the year.

    I'm all stocked up.

    It is Turnbull & Asser and the bespoke tailors of Savile Row that will see the majority of my clothing & footwear spending.
    I've developed a thing for buying excess clothes over lockdown too. Particularly linen shirts for some reason. I've picked up some good gear at tasty prices.
    Work clothes such as suits are a real bargain at the moment. Not that I am buying, as it looks like scrubs for a while yet. NHS England has told us at the weekend that the June 21st relaxation doesn't apply to health care settings.
    Any recommendations for where to buy a decent suit, @Foxy? I seem to need to upgrade my size a little (I blame lockdown) and I've found it very hard to replace my Austin Reed suits with anything of comparable quality.

    --AS
    You've just opened up a can of worms mate.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,761
    Ariel Karlinsky
    @ArielKarlinsky
    Updated version of #WorldMortality paper up on
    @medrxivpreprint
    - now has 94 countries, lots of 2021 data, and much more detailed discussion of results thanks to great comments and reviews.

    https://twitter.com/ArielKarlinsky/status/1401895945999208461
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,410
    kle4 said:

    tlg86 said:

    TimT said:

    tlg86 said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Another racist tweet posted by a current England player has emerged, hours after Ollie Robinson was suspended from international cricket while an investigation into offensive tweets he posted in 2012 and 2013 is conducted.

    Wisden.com have chosen to obscure the identity of the player, who had yet to turn 16 at the time. The screenshotted post, with identifying details blanked out, is below."

    https://wisden.com/stories/news-stories/another-racist-tweet-posted-by-current-england-player-emerges

    Under 16?

    Some people need to get a fucking grip and not be trawling through decades old Tweets by children looking for something to take offence to.

    I'm all for BLM, taking a knee, anti-racism etc. But this sort of thing is just pathetic - and creepy too.
    No wonder some cricketers have been deleting their twitter accounts. Under 16, a school child.

    There must be interns currrently scanning stars twitter feeds for anything they can throw at them.
    Guido does this with politicians, but I think there is some value in that as it tends to reveal what these people are like.

    I’m not fussed what a medium pace bowler said 9 years ago. I know it’s a cliche, but seam bowlers aren’t the sharpest tools in the box. Just look at the Sky commentary box. Michael Holding is the token fast bowler.
    I am not sure what you say when you are 16, and trying to appear something you are not in front of your peers and a social environment which is often pretty toxic on many levels, tells anyone much about the person you are as a fully matured adult.
    Guido doesn’t tend to do it to 16 year olds!

    Quite what age it becomes more telling, I’m not sure. Maybe 25? I guess that lets Sultana off the hook as I think she was 22 when she was posting nasty stuff.
    Once you are an adult things will naturally take on a different level of seriousness, but I'd have thought the key would have been whether it is reflected by actions and words since then.

    That's what is silly about the Robinson punishment, as there was some talk about him needing to essentially go away and think about who he is and so on, but unless stuff emerges in the intervening period from when he was 18 and now, he doesn't have anything to think on, as he's already apologised. If they turn up a bunch more stuff, sure, that puts a different spin on it, but he won't learn anything from a suspension based on the old stuff, as he's already learned a lesson in that he doesn't tweet stuff like that anymore.
    kle4 said:

    tlg86 said:

    TimT said:

    tlg86 said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Another racist tweet posted by a current England player has emerged, hours after Ollie Robinson was suspended from international cricket while an investigation into offensive tweets he posted in 2012 and 2013 is conducted.

    Wisden.com have chosen to obscure the identity of the player, who had yet to turn 16 at the time. The screenshotted post, with identifying details blanked out, is below."

    https://wisden.com/stories/news-stories/another-racist-tweet-posted-by-current-england-player-emerges

    Under 16?

    Some people need to get a fucking grip and not be trawling through decades old Tweets by children looking for something to take offence to.

    I'm all for BLM, taking a knee, anti-racism etc. But this sort of thing is just pathetic - and creepy too.
    No wonder some cricketers have been deleting their twitter accounts. Under 16, a school child.

    There must be interns currrently scanning stars twitter feeds for anything they can throw at them.
    Guido does this with politicians, but I think there is some value in that as it tends to reveal what these people are like.

    I’m not fussed what a medium pace bowler said 9 years ago. I know it’s a cliche, but seam bowlers aren’t the sharpest tools in the box. Just look at the Sky commentary box. Michael Holding is the token fast bowler.
    I am not sure what you say when you are 16, and trying to appear something you are not in front of your peers and a social environment which is often pretty toxic on many levels, tells anyone much about the person you are as a fully matured adult.
    Guido doesn’t tend to do it to 16 year olds!

    Quite what age it becomes more telling, I’m not sure. Maybe 25? I guess that lets Sultana off the hook as I think she was 22 when she was posting nasty stuff.
    Once you are an adult things will naturally take on a different level of seriousness, but I'd have thought the key would have been whether it is reflected by actions and words since then.

    That's what is silly about the Robinson punishment, as there was some talk about him needing to essentially go away and think about who he is and so on, but unless stuff emerges in the intervening period from when he was 18 and now, he doesn't have anything to think on, as he's already apologised. If they turn up a bunch more stuff, sure, that puts a different spin on it, but he won't learn anything from a suspension based on the old stuff, as he's already learned a lesson in that he doesn't tweet stuff like that anymore.
    Which point surely applies to Ross Peltier, the ex-Green candidate in B+S, too.
    Some stuff said many years ago. None AFAIAA in recent years. And he's only 29 now.
    I fear this what was once said Online will hang over this generation in the way having been spliff keen hung over mine. But with far more hard evidence.
    Until, eventually, a truce is called., because it affects a critical mass in senior positions.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518

    DougSeal said:

    Sadiq Khan is backing a full opening up on 21 June after speaking daily to health officials.

    Interesting.

    Given his submariner tendencies, that must mean either that he knows it's on and wants to grab a little credit for when it happens, or he knows it's off and wants to deflect blame if London gets locked down because of Blackburn...
    Why would he have to deflect blame in the latter case?
    In the sense of being able to say 'Look, I was on the record arguing that we should open up on time but the Government went against me on this because of cases in other parts of the country'. He's been alternating between pro- and anti-lockdown throughout, so he’ll want to get his positioning right this time.

    So I'm not sure if Sadiq’s intervention is good or bad news; but at least he’s correct this time, in my view.
    It’s got to be good news I think, not least because he’s breaking ranks from some of the nonsense the Parliamentary Labour Party are coming out with. Useful also that he cites “having spoken to health officials on the ground” in contrast to the second and third hand speculation used by Starmer, Ashcroft, Nandy et al
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,030

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    @BealeLab

    “ Recent case data indeed not looking good, it would be folly to open up on 21 June. Were it not for variant delta (first detected in India), there would be no problem in fully opening domestic economy. Wouldn’t even be a serious debate. But here we are… again…”

    There’s. No. Way. 21. June. Will. Happen.

    June 21st will happen.
    In the most literal sense of the date following the 20th, yes it will happen, but there cannot be any chance now of a full reopening of the economy,
    My work has a scheduled return to the office for the 5th of July, we've modified that to say only people who have been double jabbed will return to the office, everyone else has to wait until 10 days after their second jab.

    I suspect the government will operate on those lines.
    So antivaxxers get to WFH? Jammy buggers.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,080
    edited June 2021
    Holding on sky needs putting out to pasture like Botham...his analysis is basically well when I played I just bowled quick.....i don't understand what they are trying to do in the modern game, why not just bowl fast....and no idea who these players are.
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