Cheers. That was where I was trying. I guess it's down to 55 now, so I have a little while longer to wait.
Thanks anyway.
It's a GREAT feeling when you get the booking. FINALLY there is real light at the end of this fucking long tunnel, which now appears a lot shorter. In four weeks' time I will be largely protected from this hideous disease, and I will also be protecting my friends and family
I can do four weeks. I can hack that. One month to freedom
I wonder if it is this mood boost which is driving the Tories' soaring polling.
One of my first reactions to getting the booking was Well done the government (and well done the NHS). My attitude towards Boris and Co has not been exactly positive of late, as my comments have shown, but now I have something to be thankful for: because the UK government, for all its terrible errors, really nailed the vaccination drive, when other countries did not
I can see how this would lead to a surge in support for HMG, given that 20 million+ people have been through this same mood-booster.
I can ay my mood has been hugely lifted - and I wasn't aware of feeling in any way down
I read my confirmatory email about 10 times. Smiling each time. I guess this rams home how much a year of imprisonment and fear has jailed us emotionally
Ah, I was just going by what Leon implied earlier.
You ignore that and push through. It worked for me. Got an appointment in seconds. Indeed I had a luxurious choice of jabbing centres, from Marylebone to Bloomsbury to the new Francis Crick Institute. I chose the last because it's an impressive building but I've never been inside
Life is returning!
I've just got mine done there literally one hour ago. Left arm upper, administered by a quietly charismatic young woman who oozed low key professionalism. Nothing dramatic about it. No fireworks at all. Didn't even have to take my tweed cap off. I nevertheless felt a sense of occasion, I truly did. What a result. It's been emotional and it's almost over.
You wore a hat.... indoors..?
Moderator - is there an appropriate punishment that can be levelled?
The Republican figure can be summed up as the people who most wanted slow and dangerous herd immunity through mass infections refusing instant and safe herd immunity via a vaccine. Contrarianism doesn't really pay when it comes to medical science.
To independent people, a state vaccine means you are on the list. They know you. They know you take vaccines. When the next vaccine comes long in six months, they want you to take it. If you don;t, they will want to know why.
Interesting. Did you develop these paranoid delusions before or after taking a vaccine?
I haven;t taken a vaccine, my family haven't and I won't be taking one while the government is driving the whole thing. When I can get a vaccine on privately and confidentially, I may take one.
That will be my decision. Not Matt Hancock's. You want him to run your life for you, that is your affair.
So you're not willing to take a safe and effective jab now in order to get us out of lockdown and put an end to the pandemic?
Thanks for finally making your position clear.
There are conservatives in America who are not demanding you take a vaccine to get you out of lockdown. That is the kind of conservative I will be voting for in Britain . If I can find one.
I didn't know we had an Anti-Vax Simpleton Party in this country. I suppose you could always start one yourself.
It's such an odd thing to come into contact with one of the 5% of actual hardcore anti-vaxxers that doesn't post BTL on the Telegraph of Express.
Dura Ace is antivax as well. Which is really odd as he seems of a scientific bent, and is obviously smart
Intelligence is not correlated with anti-vaxxery, perhaps it is inversely correlated. Smart people are more likely to be paranoid? Hmm....
It's not down to Dura Ace being anti-vax. He's just a typical Leeds United fan - arrogantly thinks his body is able to fight anyone, anything, anywhere, any time.
I blame Don Revie.
Sounds like a Jack Russell terrier; something for which to blame the clergy.
It's a touch early to blame the clergy. Collectively they've sat on their hands for only 500 years of Sundays.
Originally bred by the Rev. J. Russell.
Who went to the same school I did. Although he was a few years ahead of me.
The only remotely famous people who went to my school were Freddie Laker and Milo Yiannopoulos.
I'm sorry to have to admit that Peter Bone went to the school which I did. However, it was after I did, so clearly standards had slipped!
Sir Joshua Reynolds is the only other alum whose name might be known widely
The Republican figure can be summed up as the people who most wanted slow and dangerous herd immunity through mass infections refusing instant and safe herd immunity via a vaccine. Contrarianism doesn't really pay when it comes to medical science.
To independent people, a state vaccine means you are on the list. They know you. They know you take vaccines. When the next vaccine comes long in six months, they want you to take it. If you don;t, they will want to know why.
Interesting. Did you develop these paranoid delusions before or after taking a vaccine?
I haven;t taken a vaccine, my family haven't and I won't be taking one while the government is driving the whole thing. When I can get a vaccine on privately and confidentially, I may take one.
That will be my decision. Not Matt Hancock's. You want him to run your life for you, that is your affair.
So you're not willing to take a safe and effective jab now in order to get us out of lockdown and put an end to the pandemic?
Thanks for finally making your position clear.
There are conservatives in America who are not demanding you take a vaccine to get you out of lockdown. That is the kind of conservative I will be voting for in Britain . If I can find one.
I didn't know we had an Anti-Vax Simpleton Party in this country. I suppose you could always start one yourself.
It's such an odd thing to come into contact with one of the 5% of actual hardcore anti-vaxxers that doesn't post BTL on the Telegraph of Express.
Dura Ace is antivax as well. Which is really odd as he seems of a scientific bent, and is obviously smart
Intelligence is not correlated with anti-vaxxery, perhaps it is inversely correlated. Smart people are more likely to be paranoid? Hmm....
It's not down to Dura Ace being anti-vax. He's just a typical Leeds United fan - arrogantly thinks his body is able to fight anyone, anything, anywhere, any time.
I blame Don Revie.
Sounds like a Jack Russell terrier; something for which to blame the clergy.
It's a touch early to blame the clergy. Collectively they've sat on their hands for only 500 years of Sundays.
Originally bred by the Rev. J. Russell.
Who went to the same school I did. Although he was a few years ahead of me.
The Republican figure can be summed up as the people who most wanted slow and dangerous herd immunity through mass infections refusing instant and safe herd immunity via a vaccine. Contrarianism doesn't really pay when it comes to medical science.
To independent people, a state vaccine means you are on the list. They know you. They know you take vaccines. When the next vaccine comes long in six months, they want you to take it. If you don;t, they will want to know why.
Interesting. Did you develop these paranoid delusions before or after taking a vaccine?
I haven;t taken a vaccine, my family haven't and I won't be taking one while the government is driving the whole thing. When I can get a vaccine on privately and confidentially, I may take one.
That will be my decision. Not Matt Hancock's. You want him to run your life for you, that is your affair.
So you're not willing to take a safe and effective jab now in order to get us out of lockdown and put an end to the pandemic?
Thanks for finally making your position clear.
There are conservatives in America who are not demanding you take a vaccine to get you out of lockdown. That is the kind of conservative I will be voting for in Britain . If I can find one.
I didn't know we had an Anti-Vax Simpleton Party in this country. I suppose you could always start one yourself.
It's such an odd thing to come into contact with one of the 5% of actual hardcore anti-vaxxers that doesn't post BTL on the Telegraph of Express.
Dura Ace is antivax as well. Which is really odd as he seems of a scientific bent, and is obviously smart
Intelligence is not correlated with anti-vaxxery, perhaps it is inversely correlated. Smart people are more likely to be paranoid? Hmm....
It's not down to Dura Ace being anti-vax. He's just a typical Leeds United fan - arrogantly thinks his body is able to fight anyone, anything, anywhere, any time.
I blame Don Revie.
Sounds like a Jack Russell terrier; something for which to blame the clergy.
It's a touch early to blame the clergy. Collectively they've sat on their hands for only 500 years of Sundays.
Originally bred by the Rev. J. Russell.
Who went to the same school I did. Although he was a few years ahead of me.
The only remotely famous people who went to my school were Freddie Laker and Milo Yiannopoulos.
I'm sorry to have to admit that Peter Bone went to the school which I did. However, it was after I did, so clearly standards had slipped!
Ah, I was just going by what Leon implied earlier.
You ignore that and push through. It worked for me. Got an appointment in seconds. Indeed I had a luxurious choice of jabbing centres, from Marylebone to Bloomsbury to the new Francis Crick Institute. I chose the last because it's an impressive building but I've never been inside
Life is returning!
I've just got mine done there literally one hour ago. Left arm upper, administered by a quietly charismatic young woman who oozed low key professionalism. Nothing dramatic about it. No fireworks at all. Didn't even have to take my tweed cap off. I nevertheless felt a sense of occasion, I truly did. What a result. It's been emotional and it's almost over.
You wore a hat.... indoors..?
Moderator - is there an appropriate punishment that can be levelled?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56281064 An NHS England letter sent to GPs in mid-February says people who have "ever had an emergency asthma admission" to hospital fall into priority group six, which is currently being vaccinated.
Sonja Chenier, 47, from Colchester, has had three hospital admissions in the past 15 years and takes multiple medications daily for her asthma.
Her GP surgery told her she wasn't eligible for the vaccine yet because her hospital admissions weren't in the past year, and so "it wasn't relevant". She was told to expect a call for a vaccine along with her age group in around June.
So her GP i) Isn't following official advice ii) Thinks G40-49 will be done in June rather than May (Which is after G50-59).
It's really not on and one has to wonder if @Gallowgate GP is using a similar interpretation of official advice.
The Republican figure can be summed up as the people who most wanted slow and dangerous herd immunity through mass infections refusing instant and safe herd immunity via a vaccine. Contrarianism doesn't really pay when it comes to medical science.
To independent people, a state vaccine means you are on the list. They know you. They know you take vaccines. When the next vaccine comes long in six months, they want you to take it. If you don;t, they will want to know why.
Interesting. Did you develop these paranoid delusions before or after taking a vaccine?
I haven;t taken a vaccine, my family haven't and I won't be taking one while the government is driving the whole thing. When I can get a vaccine on privately and confidentially, I may take one.
That will be my decision. Not Matt Hancock's. You want him to run your life for you, that is your affair.
So you're not willing to take a safe and effective jab now in order to get us out of lockdown and put an end to the pandemic?
Thanks for finally making your position clear.
There are conservatives in America who are not demanding you take a vaccine to get you out of lockdown. That is the kind of conservative I will be voting for in Britain . If I can find one.
I didn't know we had an Anti-Vax Simpleton Party in this country. I suppose you could always start one yourself.
It's such an odd thing to come into contact with one of the 5% of actual hardcore anti-vaxxers that doesn't post BTL on the Telegraph of Express.
Dura Ace is antivax as well. Which is really odd as he seems of a scientific bent, and is obviously smart
Intelligence is not correlated with anti-vaxxery, perhaps it is inversely correlated. Smart people are more likely to be paranoid? Hmm....
It's not down to Dura Ace being anti-vax. He's just a typical Leeds United fan - arrogantly thinks his body is able to fight anyone, anything, anywhere, any time.
I blame Don Revie.
Sounds like a Jack Russell terrier; something for which to blame the clergy.
It's a touch early to blame the clergy. Collectively they've sat on their hands for only 500 years of Sundays.
Originally bred by the Rev. J. Russell.
Who went to the same school I did. Although he was a few years ahead of me.
Blundell's?
Plympton Grammar. Established in 1671 by local philanthropist Eliza Hele. Samuel Reynolds was an early headmaster and Joshua Reynolds was born in the school house.
Unfortunately Mr and Mrs Murrell's behaviour has allowed Mr Salmond to paint himself as the victim of a grievous conspiracy against an incorruptible, morally upright citizen. A jury agreed with him, but...
Ah, I was just going by what Leon implied earlier.
You ignore that and push through. It worked for me. Got an appointment in seconds. Indeed I had a luxurious choice of jabbing centres, from Marylebone to Bloomsbury to the new Francis Crick Institute. I chose the last because it's an impressive building but I've never been inside
Life is returning!
I've just got mine done there literally one hour ago. Left arm upper, administered by a quietly charismatic young woman who oozed low key professionalism. Nothing dramatic about it. No fireworks at all. Didn't even have to take my tweed cap off. I nevertheless felt a sense of occasion, I truly did. What a result. It's been emotional and it's almost over.
You wore a hat.... indoors..?
Moderator - is there an appropriate punishment that can be levelled?
So group 8 can now book their vaccines online and I’m (Group 6) still waiting for my GP to pull their finger out with mine ffs
Why cant you just use the website?
It doesn’t let you if you’re in Group 6. It only filters by age I think...
Strange - my wife booked on the website fine and she's group 6, so presumably something about GP's sending the NHS numbers of people through to NHS central database or whatever it is...
So group 8 can now book their vaccines online and I’m (Group 6) still waiting for my GP to pull their finger out with mine ffs
Why cant you just use the website?
It doesn’t let you if you’re in Group 6. It only filters by age I think...
Strange - my wife booked on the website fine and she's group 6, so presumably something about GP's sending the NHS numbers of people through to NHS central database or whatever it is...
I think some GPs are more on top of it than others.
Its a good few days ahead with schools and universities opening next week . Its a slight pity that the reason for elation on here from most seems to be because they are getting jabbed rather than kids being allowed to be educated again but that probably reflects the selfishness of people on politicalbetting and perhaps in wider society. Personally I will get a jab when its my turn (I am 51 so should not be long) but I cant say I will feel much when I do or obsess about when it will happen as I doubt I am much at risk from it and I personally have lived a large part of my expansive life compared to kids and young adults . Its those that i am happy for next week not some 60 year old that now can book a holiday but want to stop non vaccinated people from joining him on it
GP says “Group 6 is a large category and we’re still going through it”. They confirmed Group 6 is being handled separately to the other categories which are being handled directly by NHS England.
Really begs the question what the point of Group 6 being where it is in the priority list to be honest.
Unfortunately Mr and Mrs Murrell's behaviour has allowed Mr Salmond to paint himself as the victim of a grievous conspiracy against an incorruptible, morally upright citizen. A jury agreed with him, but...
GP says “Group 6 is a large category and we’re still going through it”. They confirmed Group 6 is being handled separately to the other categories which are being handled directly by NHS England.
Really begs the question what the point of Group 6 being where it is in the priority list to be honest.
Hmm, I expect it'll get you in quicker than your age group (G12 ?) but not as fast as perhaps G7. Should have been called "Stream B" or some such.
Ah, I was just going by what Leon implied earlier.
You ignore that and push through. It worked for me. Got an appointment in seconds. Indeed I had a luxurious choice of jabbing centres, from Marylebone to Bloomsbury to the new Francis Crick Institute. I chose the last because it's an impressive building but I've never been inside
Life is returning!
I've just got mine done there literally one hour ago. Left arm upper, administered by a quietly charismatic young woman who oozed low key professionalism. Nothing dramatic about it. No fireworks at all. Didn't even have to take my tweed cap off. I nevertheless felt a sense of occasion, I truly did. What a result. It's been emotional and it's almost over.
You were allowed to keep your cloth cap on? Were you allowed to take your whippet in with you too?
Its a good few days ahead with schools and universities opening next week . Its a slight pity that the reason for elation on here from most seems to be because they are getting jabbed rather than kids being allowed to be educated again but that probably reflects the selfishness of people on politicalbetting and perhaps in wider society. Personally I will get a jab when its my turn (I am 51 so should not be long) but I cant say I will feel much when I do or obsess about when it will happen as I doubt I am much at risk from it and I personally have lived a large part of my expansive life compared to kids and young adults . Its those that i am happy for next week not some 60 year old that now can book a holiday but want to stop non vaccinated people from joining him on it
Or, we can be happy at both??
I am. I am very glad my daughter is going to school on Monday. It's good news
However, I am even more delighted that I am getting vaxxed next Friday, partly for purely selfish reasons - I don't want to die, but also because it means I cannot infect anyone else, esp those I love, but mainly, I reckon, because it's not until you get your own vaccination appointment that you personally feel this thing is coming to an end. Yes, I've seen the good numbers, but they are numbers. THIS is real, and happening to me.
And for that: thankyou God, the NHS, and Her Majesty's Government, and I am not sure I have ever thanked all three of those, in one go, before
GP says “Group 6 is a large category and we’re still going through it”. They confirmed Group 6 is being handled separately to the other categories which are being handled directly by NHS England.
Really begs the question what the point of Group 6 being where it is in the priority list to be honest.
i think There is a help line you could call to book - 119 I think
GP says “Group 6 is a large category and we’re still going through it”. They confirmed Group 6 is being handled separately to the other categories which are being handled directly by NHS England.
Really begs the question what the point of Group 6 being where it is in the priority list to be honest.
Hmm, I expect it'll get you in quicker than your age group (G12 ?) but not as fast as perhaps G7. Should have been called "Stream B" or some such.
Well if those under 60 can now book online that means G8 are now being done...
GP says “Group 6 is a large category and we’re still going through it”. They confirmed Group 6 is being handled separately to the other categories which are being handled directly by NHS England.
Really begs the question what the point of Group 6 being where it is in the priority list to be honest.
i think There is a help line you could call to book - 119 I think
Just to say here in Essex I have had a 28 yo son vaccinated (high risk due to medical conditions) and..... an 18 yo whose sole reason for being called in was he has Aspergers.
Apparently there’s 2,000 group 6s just at my practice. But what I don’t understand is if they know the number, why cant they just batch export the NHS numbers to NHS England to be handled by the central database
The Republican figure can be summed up as the people who most wanted slow and dangerous herd immunity through mass infections refusing instant and safe herd immunity via a vaccine. Contrarianism doesn't really pay when it comes to medical science.
To independent people, a state vaccine means you are on the list. They know you. They know you take vaccines. When the next vaccine comes long in six months, they want you to take it. If you don;t, they will want to know why.
Interesting. Did you develop these paranoid delusions before or after taking a vaccine?
I haven;t taken a vaccine, my family haven't and I won't be taking one while the government is driving the whole thing. When I can get a vaccine on privately and confidentially, I may take one.
That will be my decision. Not Matt Hancock's. You want him to run your life for you, that is your affair.
So you're not willing to take a safe and effective jab now in order to get us out of lockdown and put an end to the pandemic?
Thanks for finally making your position clear.
There are conservatives in America who are not demanding you take a vaccine to get you out of lockdown. That is the kind of conservative I will be voting for in Britain . If I can find one.
I didn't know we had an Anti-Vax Simpleton Party in this country. I suppose you could always start one yourself.
Read my posts. I am not anti-vaccine. I am anti lockdown. By all means take a vaccine. They are safe and lovely and they work really, really well. I would never try to dissaude someone from taking a vaccine.
So you aren't anti-vaxxer but you're not taking the vaccine? Schrödinger's anti-vaxxer?
read my posts. I may take the vaccine when I get it from a private medical source, in my own time.
Totally up to you. I'm not one to get too animated about vaccine refusers since we'll get enough macro immunity from the willing to kill the pandemic. Also part of the joy of getting back to normal is that it will be normal, and normal does not entail getting hyper concerned about what medication other people are on.
I nevertheless do not get you. Not that you don't see it as a public duty, whereas most do, I get that. You are not a publicly spirited person and do not claim to be. So that's bang on brand. And who's to say when an action becomes a duty anyway? People have differing views on this. It's a tricky area.
What I don't get is why you - as a 'me me me' person - don't want a vaccine asap for YOURSELF. This can be a very nasty disease if you catch it. Huge amounts of money and time have been invested in order to manufacture the protection. It's safe, it all but eliminates your PERSONAL covid risk, and it's free of charge. Costs you nothing at all.
Yet you pass. This is irrational judged by your own profile. You're not a softhead who thinks it will be used to track you. You don't believe all that shit. So it just makes no sense to pass. You're looking a gift horse in the mouth. Only a dummy does that, which you aren't. Dummies don't get to be as successful as you are in life.
So here's my conclusion. I think you are either lying for effect (and will get it) or you are sulking about things not going the way you'd like them to and are reacting with some truculent self-harm. Bit like when Trump lost you started saying the GOP will never ever win again and it's all over for America as we know it. I'm losing so I'm not playing anymore. It's all just stupid and I can't be bothered. With US elections. With the vaccine.
I think it's one of those. I won't say which since I have it as about a 50/50.
No charge for that piece of bespoke psychoanalysis. I considered it my duty and in any case quite enjoyed it.
Apparently there’s 2,000 group 6s just at my practice. But what I don’t understand is if they know the number, why cant they just batch export the NHS numbers to NHS England to be handled by the central database
They want there £13.50 a jab or whatever it is they get!
Apparently there’s 2,000 group 6s just at my practice. But what I don’t understand is if they know the number, why cant they just batch export the NHS numbers to NHS England to be handled by the central database
You, unfortunately, have much to learn about (problems with) data flows in the NHS
(I've been pleasantly surprised at how well everything has been working, so far)
I really struggle to come to terms with what a UK government has done since March last year.
It seems to me the lockdown response is a wildly disproportionate response to the problem being addressed and it scares me that questioning the impact of the policy on the economy, on the young, on our individual freedoms or suggesting an alternative approach (e.g. Sweden) is given such short shrift or indeed ridiculed.
That the UK government has seen fit to terrify the populace into acquiescence makes me question their motives, which these days would have me labelled a conspiracy theorist. While I marvel at the brilliance of the vaccine scientists, expressing concerns about the speed of vaccine development and approval has one castigated as an 'anti-vaxxer'. I'm not, of course, and I will have the vaccine when offered but I won't be joyful or relieved or proud or forever grateful to 'our wonderful NHS'. No, I'll have it because it's the only way out of this nightmare but I also want the government to know that I'm really not impressed with being treated as a naughty schoolchild through all of this.
I'm very uncomfortable with the idea of being manipulated by its 'behavioral psychologists' and I worry about the lack of diversity of opinion among the governments scientific advisors. The power these unaccountable people have is truly worrying.
So, what's the government up to? Is it simply doing it's best having made a political decision that one death to COVID is too many? Probably ... but why take that approach with COVID in the first place? Did they simply panic back in March last year? Are they too proud to change tack? Probably.
But what now? Can we ever go back to they way things were? No, I don't think so. COVID has proved that we can be cowed into submission if we are frightened enough and if we are thrown the odd sweetie to keep us distracted ... Netflix, Premier League, take-away McDonalds. Any future government that wants to achieve some policy objective (climate change anyone) knows the playbook now and that makes me genuinely fearful for the future of our country.
GP says “Group 6 is a large category and we’re still going through it”. They confirmed Group 6 is being handled separately to the other categories which are being handled directly by NHS England.
Really begs the question what the point of Group 6 being where it is in the priority list to be honest.
i think There is a help line you could call to book - 119 I think
Just to say here in Essex I have had a 28 yo son vaccinated (high risk due to medical conditions) and..... an 18 yo whose sole reason for being called in was he has Aspergers.
It is quite surprising how many people I interact with under 40 who have had their first jab. Is there a calculation of how much double counting there is between the 1-9 groups and phase 2?
GP says “Group 6 is a large category and we’re still going through it”. They confirmed Group 6 is being handled separately to the other categories which are being handled directly by NHS England.
Really begs the question what the point of Group 6 being where it is in the priority list to be honest.
i think There is a help line you could call to book - 119 I think
Just to say here in Essex I have had a 28 yo son vaccinated (high risk due to medical conditions) and..... an 18 yo whose sole reason for being called in was he has Aspergers.
My eldest 21 with Aspergers will be done on Monday. Ironically, as the one most likely to die from it, the best I can now do is bronze medal in my family of 4.
Its a good few days ahead with schools and universities opening next week . Its a slight pity that the reason for elation on here from most seems to be because they are getting jabbed rather than kids being allowed to be educated again but that probably reflects the selfishness of people on politicalbetting and perhaps in wider society. Personally I will get a jab when its my turn (I am 51 so should not be long) but I cant say I will feel much when I do or obsess about when it will happen as I doubt I am much at risk from it and I personally have lived a large part of my expansive life compared to kids and young adults . Its those that i am happy for next week not some 60 year old that now can book a holiday but want to stop non vaccinated people from joining him on it
Bigger picture.
Every person who gets vaccinated now is helping to further fray the link between cases and hospitalisations - more and more beyond how it has already frayed with the vaccinations to date.
They mean that when the Government take a look at the data three weeks after schools go back, they're less and less likely to worry if cases do go up (as hospitalisations are less and less likely to go up with them) and therefore less and less likely to u-turn on either schools opening or further pushing the roadmap forwards.
He is doing it the proper way, as they publish each document it gets clearer and clearer.
Wow so JM (Judith McKinnon) stated on oath she couldn’t remember the meeting ?!? They can’t rest on pleadings that ‘we know to be untrue’!!? What on earth goes on in the government
Its a good few days ahead with schools and universities opening next week . Its a slight pity that the reason for elation on here from most seems to be because they are getting jabbed rather than kids being allowed to be educated again but that probably reflects the selfishness of people on politicalbetting and perhaps in wider society. Personally I will get a jab when its my turn (I am 51 so should not be long) but I cant say I will feel much when I do or obsess about when it will happen as I doubt I am much at risk from it and I personally have lived a large part of my expansive life compared to kids and young adults . Its those that i am happy for next week not some 60 year old that now can book a holiday but want to stop non vaccinated people from joining him on it
Or, we can be happy at both??
I am. I am very glad my daughter is going to school on Monday. It's good news
However, I am even more delighted that I am getting vaxxed next Friday, partly for purely selfish reasons - I don't want to die, but also because it means I cannot infect anyone else, esp those I love, but mainly, I reckon, because it's not until you get your own vaccination appointment that you personally feel this thing is coming to an end. Yes, I've seen the good numbers, but they are numbers. THIS is real, and happening to me.
And for that: thankyou God, the NHS, and Her Majesty's Government, and I am not sure I have ever thanked all three of those, in one go, before
Offtopic (and I may regret starting a theological debate) but if you thank God for the vaccine, do you also blame God for the virus?
I'm agnostic and I'm happy to let people go with the non-interventionist free-will interpretation of God (not to blame for virus, not credited for vaccine), but it seems inconsistent to me if the answer is 'no'.
Apparently there’s 2,000 group 6s just at my practice. But what I don’t understand is if they know the number, why cant they just batch export the NHS numbers to NHS England to be handled by the central database
They want there £13.50 a jab or whatever it is they get!
Many on here might be surprised at how mercenary some GP's can be.
Ah, I was just going by what Leon implied earlier.
You ignore that and push through. It worked for me. Got an appointment in seconds. Indeed I had a luxurious choice of jabbing centres, from Marylebone to Bloomsbury to the new Francis Crick Institute. I chose the last because it's an impressive building but I've never been inside
Life is returning!
I've just got mine done there literally one hour ago. Left arm upper, administered by a quietly charismatic young woman who oozed low key professionalism. Nothing dramatic about it. No fireworks at all. Didn't even have to take my tweed cap off. I nevertheless felt a sense of occasion, I truly did. What a result. It's been emotional and it's almost over.
That's wonderful, although how one 'oozes' low key professionalism I have no idea.
Yes. Low key professionalism is quite common but very few ooze it. That's the point.
In August 2007 Cameron led Brown 42-31 on "Who has got the most personality?" (IPSOS-MORI), Starmer trails Boris by 42 points (67-25) in their latest survey (Sep 2020)
Ah, I was just going by what Leon implied earlier.
You ignore that and push through. It worked for me. Got an appointment in seconds. Indeed I had a luxurious choice of jabbing centres, from Marylebone to Bloomsbury to the new Francis Crick Institute. I chose the last because it's an impressive building but I've never been inside
Life is returning!
I've just got mine done there literally one hour ago. Left arm upper, administered by a quietly charismatic young woman who oozed low key professionalism. Nothing dramatic about it. No fireworks at all. Didn't even have to take my tweed cap off. I nevertheless felt a sense of occasion, I truly did. What a result. It's been emotional and it's almost over.
Congratulations! If in two weeks you're on here with Union Jacks in your avatar telling us that Maggie wasn't all bad really, we'll know that the jab's working as intended...
That is one side effect that I would find very hard to tolerate.
GP says “Group 6 is a large category and we’re still going through it”. They confirmed Group 6 is being handled separately to the other categories which are being handled directly by NHS England.
Really begs the question what the point of Group 6 being where it is in the priority list to be honest.
I'm in Group 6 (carer, rather than vulnerable) and am being done tomorrow.
If I hadn't gently reminded the GP when carting one of the cared for to an appointment I suspect I'd have been missed off. They sat on the form which told them I was a carer for about 8 months without processing it. I've actually been doing the job for years without telling them formally but thought I'd better register last year because I guessed that there might be a vaccine priority list.
I think this pandemic has revealed that there is very much a postcode lottery when it comes to GPs. Some have not been terribly efficient. The speed of the overall vaccine programme has hidden this to some extent, but it is definitely an issue.
Do keep hassling them.
On another note, for those with booked appointments - be prepared to get even more paranoid in the days prior to your jab. After all, it would be daft to catch the lurgy with only a few days to go...
Where in the Salmond timeline is 17 December 2018? How much longer did the case go on after Roddy Dunlop QC & Co described it as "ploughing on regardless"?
Collapsed in January I believe but he was saying ever more vehemently from October that it was getting dodgier and dodgier
Nicola Sturgeon received legal advice that her Government would lose in court to Alex Salmond months before blowing £692,000 fighting his judicial review.
Scotland’s most senior lawyer Roddy Dunlop QC was asked for an opinion on the former first minister’s challenge to a sexual harassment probe in October 2018, the Sunday Mail understands.
Sources have confirmed his response was that the former SNP leader would be likely to win. But the Scottish Government rejected the advice on October 31 and forged ahead with the case – before conceding in January 2019 at a huge cost to taxpayers.
The city's heavily pro-Beijing electoral committee would get new powers over the parliament, or Legislative Council (LegCo).
It's kind of incredible that the Chinese government felt the need to change what was already an electoral system heavily rigged in favour of the pro-Beijing camp.
With only half the members of the territory's mini parliament directly elected, and the other half installed by political allies, why the change?
Now, after the coming electoral "rebuild" is ushered in... there won't be even the pretence of democratic elections in Hong Kong.
An election committee - controlled by Beijing - will not only screen all candidates standing in elections, but also directly appoint "a large proportion" of the Legislative Council.
It will be almost impossible for any candidate advocating democratic change to be elected to office - and that's the way China's senior leadership likes it.
In all seriousness, why even bother with elections at this point? They aren't fooliing anyone, and they know they are't fooling anyone, so why the pretence?
Ah, I was just going by what Leon implied earlier.
You ignore that and push through. It worked for me. Got an appointment in seconds. Indeed I had a luxurious choice of jabbing centres, from Marylebone to Bloomsbury to the new Francis Crick Institute. I chose the last because it's an impressive building but I've never been inside
Life is returning!
I've just got mine done there literally one hour ago. Left arm upper, administered by a quietly charismatic young woman who oozed low key professionalism. Nothing dramatic about it. No fireworks at all. Didn't even have to take my tweed cap off. I nevertheless felt a sense of occasion, I truly did. What a result. It's been emotional and it's almost over.
You wore a hat.... indoors..?
Moderator - is there an appropriate punishment that can be levelled?
Yes, I know. Poor show. But my hair is of a length and state that simply cannot be revealed in public.
Apparently there’s 2,000 group 6s just at my practice. But what I don’t understand is if they know the number, why cant they just batch export the NHS numbers to NHS England to be handled by the central database
They want there £13.50 a jab or whatever it is they get!
Apologies, I had to deal with a courier, which meant I couldn't remedy the egregious there/their typo within the allotted six minutes timeline.
*goes to collect birch twigs for the self-flagellation....*
He is doing it the proper way, as they publish each document it gets clearer and clearer.
Wow so JM (Judith McKinnon) stated on oath she couldn’t remember the meeting ?!? They can’t rest on pleadings that ‘we know to be untrue’!!? What on earth goes on in the government
How the F does the SG survive this. It is now slam dunk. Everything Salmond said was right. I don't understand. There is no longer any ambiguity here.
Have been, er, busy today so missed the @contrarian shenanigans.
Whatever the merits of his position, I continually find it interesting if not disappointing that there is such instant animosity and dismissal of his views. He is entitled not to want a jab because that's the country we live in. Or used to.
How we all laughed and pointed fingers when the Chinese announced that people wouldn't be allowed to leave HK and lo and behold our govt is making us fill out forms before we go abroad to see if we are going when it's not allowed. Just ponder that. Today we can't go to see our dying parents at home. By law.
Ponder also the year of unprecedented restrictions of liberty, the damage done to so many physically, psychologically and economically by the govt.
Now, there are good reasons for all of it. But for PB, that group of independent, free-thinking types, the falling in behind the government's every move has been an eye-opener.
Everyone has their red lines. @contrarian has his and others have theirs. Some had theirs tested the other day when it was mooted that restrictions would be based on cases and lockdown wouldn't end until these were low. In the end the govt has now set a date when all restrictions will be lifted. But if it hadn't, then that would have been cheered by many on here also.
Ah, I was just going by what Leon implied earlier.
You ignore that and push through. It worked for me. Got an appointment in seconds. Indeed I had a luxurious choice of jabbing centres, from Marylebone to Bloomsbury to the new Francis Crick Institute. I chose the last because it's an impressive building but I've never been inside
Life is returning!
I've just got mine done there literally one hour ago. Left arm upper, administered by a quietly charismatic young woman who oozed low key professionalism. Nothing dramatic about it. No fireworks at all. Didn't even have to take my tweed cap off. I nevertheless felt a sense of occasion, I truly did. What a result. It's been emotional and it's almost over.
Well done. As well as being pleased that you're now developing antibodies, you have done something slightly brave for the rest of us. So you're emotional reaction is quite justified. Every story I hear like this makes me a little bit emotional. People bravely doing something public spirited to bring the end closer. Pleased you managed to carry it out in style.
Have been, er, busy today so missed the @contrarian shenanigans.
Whatever the merits of his position, I continually find it interesting if not disappointing that there is such instant animosity and dismissal of his views.
How we all laughed and pointed fingers when the Chinese announced that people wouldn't be allowed to leave HK and lo and behold our govt is making us fill out forms before we go abroad to see if we are going when it's not allowed. Just ponder that. Today we can't go to see our dying parents at home. By law.
Ponder also the year of unprecedented restrictions of liberty, the damage done to so many physically, psychologically and economically by the govt.
Now, there are good reasons for all of it. But for PB, that group of independent, free-thinking types, the falling in behind the government's every move has been an eye-opener.
Everyone has their red lines. @contrarian has his and others have theirs. Some had theirs tested the other day when it was mooted that restrictions would be based on cases and lockdown wouldn't end until these were low. In the end the govt has now set a date when all restrictions will be lifted. But if it hadn't, then that would have been cheered by many on here also.
I have explicitly said I believe his choice is fair. If he's not harming anyone else, go for it.
Still quite odd, however, for the reasons kinabalu sketches. But that is not a criticism just an opinion
Have been, er, busy today so missed the @contrarian shenanigans.
Whatever the merits of his position, I continually find it interesting if not disappointing that there is such instant animosity and dismissal of his views. He is entitled not to want a jab because that's the country we live in. Or used to.
How we all laughed and pointed fingers when the Chinese announced that people wouldn't be allowed to leave HK and lo and behold our govt is making us fill out forms before we go abroad to see if we are going when it's not allowed. Just ponder that. Today we can't go to see our dying parents at home. By law.
Ponder also the year of unprecedented restrictions of liberty, the damage done to so many physically, psychologically and economically by the govt.
Now, there are good reasons for all of it. But for PB, that group of independent, free-thinking types, the falling in behind the government's every move has been an eye-opener.
Everyone has their red lines. @contrarian has his and others have theirs. Some had theirs tested the other day when it was mooted that restrictions would be based on cases and lockdown wouldn't end until these were low. In the end the govt has now set a date when all restrictions will be lifted. But if it hadn't, then that would have been cheered by many on here also.
You write that, but isn't it much more likely to be a phone app ?
Harry and Meghan say they left the royal family because they had so much to offer the world, so much they could say. But apparently all they have to talk about is themselves
Even if that is an unfair summary, certainly they appear to get a lot more attention about talking about themselves or other royals rather than the things they are presumably interested in.
German states seem to have decided that rising case numbers can be managed - the calculation seems to be that death and hospitalisation rates won't jump because the most vulnerable are being vaccinated and treatments are improving. Hospitals and ICU never looked like being overwhelmed, and people are fed up with the damage done to lives business and education, so there will be a gradual easing of lockdown measures rather than tightening, no matter that case numbers are rising. I'm not sure this is wise but it's understandable. Meanwhile lots of lives could probably be saved by concentrating on getting a first vaccine dose to as many people as possible and worrying about booster shots later.
Have been, er, busy today so missed the @contrarian shenanigans.
Whatever the merits of his position, I continually find it interesting if not disappointing that there is such instant animosity and dismissal of his views. He is entitled not to want a jab because that's the country we live in. Or used to.
How we all laughed and pointed fingers when the Chinese announced that people wouldn't be allowed to leave HK and lo and behold our govt is making us fill out forms before we go abroad to see if we are going when it's not allowed. Just ponder that. Today we can't go to see our dying parents at home. By law.
Ponder also the year of unprecedented restrictions of liberty, the damage done to so many physically, psychologically and economically by the govt.
Now, there are good reasons for all of it. But for PB, that group of independent, free-thinking types, the falling in behind the government's every move has been an eye-opener.
Everyone has their red lines. @contrarian has his and others have theirs. Some had theirs tested the other day when it was mooted that restrictions would be based on cases and lockdown wouldn't end until these were low. In the end the govt has now set a date when all restrictions will be lifted. But if it hadn't, then that would have been cheered by many on here also.
You write that, but isn't it much more likely to be a phone app ?
It's a fine for leaving the country for the wrong reasons.
Its a good few days ahead with schools and universities opening next week . Its a slight pity that the reason for elation on here from most seems to be because they are getting jabbed rather than kids being allowed to be educated again but that probably reflects the selfishness of people on politicalbetting and perhaps in wider society. Personally I will get a jab when its my turn (I am 51 so should not be long) but I cant say I will feel much when I do or obsess about when it will happen as I doubt I am much at risk from it and I personally have lived a large part of my expansive life compared to kids and young adults . Its those that i am happy for next week not some 60 year old that now can book a holiday but want to stop non vaccinated people from joining him on it
Or, we can be happy at both??
I am. I am very glad my daughter is going to school on Monday. It's good news
However, I am even more delighted that I am getting vaxxed next Friday, partly for purely selfish reasons - I don't want to die, but also because it means I cannot infect anyone else, esp those I love, but mainly, I reckon, because it's not until you get your own vaccination appointment that you personally feel this thing is coming to an end. Yes, I've seen the good numbers, but they are numbers. THIS is real, and happening to me.
And for that: thankyou God, the NHS, and Her Majesty's Government, and I am not sure I have ever thanked all three of those, in one go, before
Offtopic (and I may regret starting a theological debate) but if you thank God for the vaccine, do you also blame God for the virus?
I'm agnostic and I'm happy to let people go with the non-interventionist free-will interpretation of God (not to blame for virus, not credited for vaccine), but it seems inconsistent to me if the answer is 'no'.
Whilst not wishing to get into is GOD good ,bad or just flawed debate (or if he even exists) I do think the real people to thank for the vaccine (scientists , even god forbid, Big Pharma, distribution workers and of course jabbers) will get less proportionate credit than they deserve in a society that is obsessed not by the boring but competent but by crap like is Meghan Markle a bully or bullied? etc . I am sure we will still give the vast amount of gongs to people who dont deserve it but are good at kicking a ball or saying a soundbite or tweet or climbing a greasy career pole .
Have been, er, busy today so missed the @contrarian shenanigans.
Whatever the merits of his position, I continually find it interesting if not disappointing that there is such instant animosity and dismissal of his views.
How we all laughed and pointed fingers when the Chinese announced that people wouldn't be allowed to leave HK and lo and behold our govt is making us fill out forms before we go abroad to see if we are going when it's not allowed. Just ponder that. Today we can't go to see our dying parents at home. By law.
Ponder also the year of unprecedented restrictions of liberty, the damage done to so many physically, psychologically and economically by the govt.
Now, there are good reasons for all of it. But for PB, that group of independent, free-thinking types, the falling in behind the government's every move has been an eye-opener.
Everyone has their red lines. @contrarian has his and others have theirs. Some had theirs tested the other day when it was mooted that restrictions would be based on cases and lockdown wouldn't end until these were low. In the end the govt has now set a date when all restrictions will be lifted. But if it hadn't, then that would have been cheered by many on here also.
I have explicitly said I believe his choice is fair. If he's not harming anyone else, go for it.
Still quite odd, however, for the reasons kinabalu sketches. But that is not a criticism just an opinion
He says he will get the jab in his own time if it's not govt-related.
Perhaps he is sick to death and has had enough of the government regulating every single element of our lives including when we can walk outside our front door and who we can sleep with for the past year.
Ah, I was just going by what Leon implied earlier.
You ignore that and push through. It worked for me. Got an appointment in seconds. Indeed I had a luxurious choice of jabbing centres, from Marylebone to Bloomsbury to the new Francis Crick Institute. I chose the last because it's an impressive building but I've never been inside
Life is returning!
I've just got mine done there literally one hour ago. Left arm upper, administered by a quietly charismatic young woman who oozed low key professionalism. Nothing dramatic about it. No fireworks at all. Didn't even have to take my tweed cap off. I nevertheless felt a sense of occasion, I truly did. What a result. It's been emotional and it's almost over.
So you didn't donate your dose to the EU then?
I didn't, Max, as it turned out. And it was the Oxford one too, so I had to banish all thoughts of President Emmanuel Macron of France as I sat there waiting.
He is doing it the proper way, as they publish each document it gets clearer and clearer.
Wow so JM (Judith McKinnon) stated on oath she couldn’t remember the meeting ?!? They can’t rest on pleadings that ‘we know to be untrue’!!? What on earth goes on in the government
It is quite impressive to not remember the meeting, rather than not remember the details of the meeting.
Also, seems a bit concerning that the lawyer had to remind them again about apparent vs actual bias.
Have been, er, busy today so missed the @contrarian shenanigans.
Whatever the merits of his position, I continually find it interesting if not disappointing that there is such instant animosity and dismissal of his views.
How we all laughed and pointed fingers when the Chinese announced that people wouldn't be allowed to leave HK and lo and behold our govt is making us fill out forms before we go abroad to see if we are going when it's not allowed. Just ponder that. Today we can't go to see our dying parents at home. By law.
Ponder also the year of unprecedented restrictions of liberty, the damage done to so many physically, psychologically and economically by the govt.
Now, there are good reasons for all of it. But for PB, that group of independent, free-thinking types, the falling in behind the government's every move has been an eye-opener.
Everyone has their red lines. @contrarian has his and others have theirs. Some had theirs tested the other day when it was mooted that restrictions would be based on cases and lockdown wouldn't end until these were low. In the end the govt has now set a date when all restrictions will be lifted. But if it hadn't, then that would have been cheered by many on here also.
I have explicitly said I believe his choice is fair. If he's not harming anyone else, go for it.
Still quite odd, however, for the reasons kinabalu sketches. But that is not a criticism just an opinion
He says he will get the jab in his own time if it's not govt-related.
Perhaps he is sick to death and has had enough of the government regulating every single element of our lives including when we can walk outside our front door and who we can sleep with for the past year.
German states seem to have decided that rising case numbers can be managed - the calculation seems to be that death and hospitalisation rates won't jump because the most vulnerable are being vaccinated and treatments are improving. Hospitals and ICU never looked like being overwhelmed, and people are fed up with the damage done to lives business and education, so there will be a gradual easing of lockdown measures rather than tightening, no matter that case numbers are rising. I'm not sure this is wise but it's understandable. Meanwhile lots of lives could probably be saved by concentrating on getting a first vaccine dose to as many people as possible and worrying about booster shots later.
GP says “Group 6 is a large category and we’re still going through it”. They confirmed Group 6 is being handled separately to the other categories which are being handled directly by NHS England.
Really begs the question what the point of Group 6 being where it is in the priority list to be honest.
I'm in Group 6 (carer, rather than vulnerable) and am being done tomorrow.
If I hadn't gently reminded the GP when carting one of the cared for to an appointment I suspect I'd have been missed off. They sat on the form which told them I was a carer for about 8 months without processing it. I've actually been doing the job for years without telling them formally but thought I'd better register last year because I guessed that there might be a vaccine priority list.
I think this pandemic has revealed that there is very much a postcode lottery when it comes to GPs. Some have not been terribly efficient. The speed of the overall vaccine programme has hidden this to some extent, but it is definitely an issue.
Do keep hassling them.
On another note, for those with booked appointments - be prepared to get even more paranoid in the days prior to your jab. After all, it would be daft to catch the lurgy with only a few days to go...
My surgery is known to be light years ahead of the others in the area. When we moved in to this house and signed up with them, our neighbours were incredulous. "How the HELL did you wangle that?" The surgery have since admitted they rather cocked-up in taking us on by saying we can't have home visits, but we'll live with that for now anyway.
Have been, er, busy today so missed the @contrarian shenanigans.
Whatever the merits of his position, I continually find it interesting if not disappointing that there is such instant animosity and dismissal of his views.
How we all laughed and pointed fingers when the Chinese announced that people wouldn't be allowed to leave HK and lo and behold our govt is making us fill out forms before we go abroad to see if we are going when it's not allowed. Just ponder that. Today we can't go to see our dying parents at home. By law.
Ponder also the year of unprecedented restrictions of liberty, the damage done to so many physically, psychologically and economically by the govt.
Now, there are good reasons for all of it. But for PB, that group of independent, free-thinking types, the falling in behind the government's every move has been an eye-opener.
Everyone has their red lines. @contrarian has his and others have theirs. Some had theirs tested the other day when it was mooted that restrictions would be based on cases and lockdown wouldn't end until these were low. In the end the govt has now set a date when all restrictions will be lifted. But if it hadn't, then that would have been cheered by many on here also.
I have explicitly said I believe his choice is fair. If he's not harming anyone else, go for it.
Still quite odd, however, for the reasons kinabalu sketches. But that is not a criticism just an opinion
He says he will get the jab in his own time if it's not govt-related.
Perhaps he is sick to death and has had enough of the government regulating every single element of our lives including when we can walk outside our front door and who we can sleep with for the past year.
Well it is a very odd way of drawing the line to not do what the government suggests, bearing in mind it is not mandating the jab. And when he is whigning about lockdown all the time and thus relying on everyone else to follow government suggestion and provision, so that he does not have to.
He doesn't want to have 'the government' do it, fine, regardless of whether that makes sense in terms of it, you know, protecting him. But enough of this playing the hero as though its a moral failing of others to, non bindingly, decide that with all else we entrust in government, they can know if we've had a jab.
Harry and Meghan say they left the royal family because they had so much to offer the world, so much they could say. But apparently all they have to talk about is themselves
Even if that is an unfair summary, certainly they appear to get a lot more attention about talking about themselves or other royals rather than the things they are presumably interested in.
Prediction: they are going to end up massively unpopular. Always famous, but really disliked by many, as his boyish charm disappears, and her beauty fades. Because that is what they are trading in now. The Bitcoin of celebrity.
I think the Gov'ts experience with Group 6 in phase 1 is why they've gone strictly by age for phase 2.
There were similar issues with Group 2 health workers, particularly the self-employed. Age is something the NHS knows only too well. Name? Date of Birth? That's what they ask.
Have been, er, busy today so missed the @contrarian shenanigans.
Whatever the merits of his position, I continually find it interesting if not disappointing that there is such instant animosity and dismissal of his views. He is entitled not to want a jab because that's the country we live in. Or used to.
How we all laughed and pointed fingers when the Chinese announced that people wouldn't be allowed to leave HK and lo and behold our govt is making us fill out forms before we go abroad to see if we are going when it's not allowed. Just ponder that. Today we can't go to see our dying parents at home. By law.
Ponder also the year of unprecedented restrictions of liberty, the damage done to so many physically, psychologically and economically by the govt.
Now, there are good reasons for all of it. But for PB, that group of independent, free-thinking types, the falling in behind the government's every move has been an eye-opener.
Everyone has their red lines. @contrarian has his and others have theirs. Some had theirs tested the other day when it was mooted that restrictions would be based on cases and lockdown wouldn't end until these were low. In the end the govt has now set a date when all restrictions will be lifted. But if it hadn't, then that would have been cheered by many on here also.
You write that, but isn't it much more likely to be a phone app ?
But the weird thing is he isn't against having the jab, he's against having the NHS give it to him. So he's not anti-vax, just anti NHS, presumably because data or something. Up to him, sure, but I believe we all have a role to play in keeping others safe, and the extension of this is get the vaccine when offered.
Have been, er, busy today so missed the @contrarian shenanigans.
Whatever the merits of his position, I continually find it interesting if not disappointing that there is such instant animosity and dismissal of his views. He is entitled not to want a jab because that's the country we live in. Or used to.
How we all laughed and pointed fingers when the Chinese announced that people wouldn't be allowed to leave HK and lo and behold our govt is making us fill out forms before we go abroad to see if we are going when it's not allowed. Just ponder that. Today we can't go to see our dying parents at home. By law.
Ponder also the year of unprecedented restrictions of liberty, the damage done to so many physically, psychologically and economically by the govt.
Now, there are good reasons for all of it. But for PB, that group of independent, free-thinking types, the falling in behind the government's every move has been an eye-opener.
Everyone has their red lines. @contrarian has his and others have theirs. Some had theirs tested the other day when it was mooted that restrictions would be based on cases and lockdown wouldn't end until these were low. In the end the govt has now set a date when all restrictions will be lifted. But if it hadn't, then that would have been cheered by many on here also.
You write that, but isn't it much more likely to be a phone app ?
It's a fine for leaving the country for the wrong reasons.
I remember Farage mooching about the "Government demanding 'papers' when in fact it would likely be an ID card that was needed. I get the feeling that forms/papers are used by people wanting to mentally invoke the Ordnungspolizei trope.
Ah, I was just going by what Leon implied earlier.
You ignore that and push through. It worked for me. Got an appointment in seconds. Indeed I had a luxurious choice of jabbing centres, from Marylebone to Bloomsbury to the new Francis Crick Institute. I chose the last because it's an impressive building but I've never been inside
Life is returning!
I've just got mine done there literally one hour ago. Left arm upper, administered by a quietly charismatic young woman who oozed low key professionalism. Nothing dramatic about it. No fireworks at all. Didn't even have to take my tweed cap off. I nevertheless felt a sense of occasion, I truly did. What a result. It's been emotional and it's almost over.
"charismatic young woman who oozed" will be the one Leon wants.....
Only if he likes low key professionalism. I do, but that's just me.
He is doing it the proper way, as they publish each document it gets clearer and clearer.
Wow so JM (Judith McKinnon) stated on oath she couldn’t remember the meeting ?!? They can’t rest on pleadings that ‘we know to be untrue’!!? What on earth goes on in the government
How the F does the SG survive this. It is now slam dunk. Everything Salmond said was right. I don't understand. There is no longer any ambiguity here.
It never mattered if Salmond was entirely right or not. It mattered whether the SNP would care if he was entirely right or not. Unless they looked like they would suffer electorally, why would they care?
Standard governing party entitlement, seen the world over if they can get away with it.
Ah, I was just going by what Leon implied earlier.
You ignore that and push through. It worked for me. Got an appointment in seconds. Indeed I had a luxurious choice of jabbing centres, from Marylebone to Bloomsbury to the new Francis Crick Institute. I chose the last because it's an impressive building but I've never been inside
Life is returning!
I've just got mine done there literally one hour ago. Left arm upper, administered by a quietly charismatic young woman who oozed low key professionalism. Nothing dramatic about it. No fireworks at all. Didn't even have to take my tweed cap off. I nevertheless felt a sense of occasion, I truly did. What a result. It's been emotional and it's almost over.
"charismatic young woman who oozed" will be the one Leon wants.....
Only if he likes low key professionalism. I do, but that's just me.
I'm actually going to say: "Can I have the girl that oozes"?
I see the video clip of the 50 ways tonnot answer /claim no knowledge of/couldn't remember.. from the evidence of the First Minister is doing the rounds. I have received it at least 5 times so far.... its difficult not to concede that she was being shifty evasive...
I'm still half convinced he is happy about that because it can be used to show people he is not some always slick politician, that he is human and awkward too.
I think the Gov'ts experience with Group 6 in phase 1 is why they've gone strictly by age for phase 2.
Yes, it's clear that any complexity more than age is very difficult to organise. Even with this where they have the data within the NHS wrt medical records there's too much complexity. Now add in contacting everyone under 50 and asking them what their job is or contacting companies and asking for employment information and getting employee consent for data sharing etc...
Ah, I was just going by what Leon implied earlier.
You ignore that and push through. It worked for me. Got an appointment in seconds. Indeed I had a luxurious choice of jabbing centres, from Marylebone to Bloomsbury to the new Francis Crick Institute. I chose the last because it's an impressive building but I've never been inside
Life is returning!
I've just got mine done there literally one hour ago. Left arm upper, administered by a quietly charismatic young woman who oozed low key professionalism. Nothing dramatic about it. No fireworks at all. Didn't even have to take my tweed cap off. I nevertheless felt a sense of occasion, I truly did. What a result. It's been emotional and it's almost over.
You were allowed to keep your cloth cap on? Were you allowed to take your whippet in with you too?
My cloth cap is more Brideshead Ryder than Andy Capp - I like to imagine.
So group 8 can now book their vaccines online and I’m (Group 6) still waiting for my GP to pull their finger out with mine ffs
Why cant you just use the website?
It doesn’t let you if you’re in Group 6. It only filters by age I think...
Strange - my wife booked on the website fine and she's group 6, so presumably something about GP's sending the NHS numbers of people through to NHS central database or whatever it is...
I think some GPs are more on top of it than others.
Ah, I was just going by what Leon implied earlier.
You ignore that and push through. It worked for me. Got an appointment in seconds. Indeed I had a luxurious choice of jabbing centres, from Marylebone to Bloomsbury to the new Francis Crick Institute. I chose the last because it's an impressive building but I've never been inside
Life is returning!
I've just got mine done there literally one hour ago. Left arm upper, administered by a quietly charismatic young woman who oozed low key professionalism. Nothing dramatic about it. No fireworks at all. Didn't even have to take my tweed cap off. I nevertheless felt a sense of occasion, I truly did. What a result. It's been emotional and it's almost over.
"charismatic young woman who oozed" will be the one Leon wants.....
Mt clinic was coordinated by a freelancing beautician...
Its a good few days ahead with schools and universities opening next week . Its a slight pity that the reason for elation on here from most seems to be because they are getting jabbed rather than kids being allowed to be educated again but that probably reflects the selfishness of people on politicalbetting and perhaps in wider society. Personally I will get a jab when its my turn (I am 51 so should not be long) but I cant say I will feel much when I do or obsess about when it will happen as I doubt I am much at risk from it and I personally have lived a large part of my expansive life compared to kids and young adults . Its those that i am happy for next week not some 60 year old that now can book a holiday but want to stop non vaccinated people from joining him on it
Or, we can be happy at both??
I am. I am very glad my daughter is going to school on Monday. It's good news
However, I am even more delighted that I am getting vaxxed next Friday, partly for purely selfish reasons - I don't want to die, but also because it means I cannot infect anyone else, esp those I love, but mainly, I reckon, because it's not until you get your own vaccination appointment that you personally feel this thing is coming to an end. Yes, I've seen the good numbers, but they are numbers. THIS is real, and happening to me.
And for that: thankyou God, the NHS, and Her Majesty's Government, and I am not sure I have ever thanked all three of those, in one go, before
Offtopic (and I may regret starting a theological debate) but if you thank God for the vaccine, do you also blame God for the virus?
I'm agnostic and I'm happy to let people go with the non-interventionist free-will interpretation of God (not to blame for virus, not credited for vaccine), but it seems inconsistent to me if the answer is 'no'.
Whilst not wishing to get into is GOD good ,bad or just flawed debate (or if he even exists) I do think the real people to thank for the vaccine (scientists , even god forbid, Big Pharma, distribution workers and of course jabbers) will get less proportionate credit than they deserve in a society that is obsessed not by the boring but competent but by crap like is Meghan Markle a bully or bullied? etc . I am sure we will still give the vast amount of gongs to people who dont deserve it but are good at kicking a ball or saying a soundbite or tweet or climbing a greasy career pole .
I think the Gov'ts experience with Group 6 in phase 1 is why they've gone strictly by age for phase 2.
Yes, it's clear that any complexity more than age is very difficult to organise. Even with this where they have the data within the NHS wrt medical records there's too much complexity. Now add in contacting everyone under 50 and asking them what their job is or contacting companies and asking for employment information and getting employee consent for data sharing etc...
It's a complete non-starter.
The special pleading from various professions too... a headache the Gov't can do without.
Harry and Meghan say they left the royal family because they had so much to offer the world, so much they could say. But apparently all they have to talk about is themselves
Even if that is an unfair summary, certainly they appear to get a lot more attention about talking about themselves or other royals rather than the things they are presumably interested in.
Prediction: they are going to end up massively unpopular. Always famous, but really disliked by many, as his boyish charm disappears, and her beauty fades. Because that is what they are trading in now. The Bitcoin of celebrity.
That would be a shame, but I just can't see what the endgame here is for them - their status is because they are royals, and while there'll always be a market for 'the royals who slag off/speak the truth about the other royals', that's pretty exhausing and surely not what they want to spend their time on for decades to come? And that they want attention at all means they don't wish to just sit back and enjoy their wealth and family, so what's the next move?
Ah, I was just going by what Leon implied earlier.
You ignore that and push through. It worked for me. Got an appointment in seconds. Indeed I had a luxurious choice of jabbing centres, from Marylebone to Bloomsbury to the new Francis Crick Institute. I chose the last because it's an impressive building but I've never been inside
Life is returning!
I've just got mine done there literally one hour ago. Left arm upper, administered by a quietly charismatic young woman who oozed low key professionalism. Nothing dramatic about it. No fireworks at all. Didn't even have to take my tweed cap off. I nevertheless felt a sense of occasion, I truly did. What a result. It's been emotional and it's almost over.
So you didn't donate your dose to the EU then?
I didn't, Max, as it turned out. And it was the Oxford one too, so I had to banish all thoughts of President Emmanuel Macron of France as I sat there waiting.
Harry and Meghan say they left the royal family because they had so much to offer the world, so much they could say. But apparently all they have to talk about is themselves
Even if that is an unfair summary, certainly they appear to get a lot more attention about talking about themselves or other royals rather than the things they are presumably interested in.
Prediction: they are going to end up massively unpopular. Always famous, but really disliked by many, as his boyish charm disappears, and her beauty fades. Because that is what they are trading in now. The Bitcoin of celebrity.
That would be a shame, but I just can't see what the endgame here is for them - their status is because they are royals, and while there'll always be a market for 'the royals who slag off/speak the truth about the other royals', that's pretty exhausing and surely not what they want to spend their time on for decades to come? And that they want attention at all means they don't wish to just sit back and enjoy their wealth and family, so what's the next move?
Ah, I was just going by what Leon implied earlier.
You ignore that and push through. It worked for me. Got an appointment in seconds. Indeed I had a luxurious choice of jabbing centres, from Marylebone to Bloomsbury to the new Francis Crick Institute. I chose the last because it's an impressive building but I've never been inside
Life is returning!
I've just got mine done there literally one hour ago. Left arm upper, administered by a quietly charismatic young woman who oozed low key professionalism. Nothing dramatic about it. No fireworks at all. Didn't even have to take my tweed cap off. I nevertheless felt a sense of occasion, I truly did. What a result. It's been emotional and it's almost over.
You wore a hat.... indoors..?
Moderator - is there an appropriate punishment that can be levelled?
Yes, I know. Poor show. But my hair is of a length and state that simply cannot be revealed in public.
Have been, er, busy today so missed the @contrarian shenanigans.
Whatever the merits of his position, I continually find it interesting if not disappointing that there is such instant animosity and dismissal of his views.
How we all laughed and pointed fingers when the Chinese announced that people wouldn't be allowed to leave HK and lo and behold our govt is making us fill out forms before we go abroad to see if we are going when it's not allowed. Just ponder that. Today we can't go to see our dying parents at home. By law.
Ponder also the year of unprecedented restrictions of liberty, the damage done to so many physically, psychologically and economically by the govt.
Now, there are good reasons for all of it. But for PB, that group of independent, free-thinking types, the falling in behind the government's every move has been an eye-opener.
Everyone has their red lines. @contrarian has his and others have theirs. Some had theirs tested the other day when it was mooted that restrictions would be based on cases and lockdown wouldn't end until these were low. In the end the govt has now set a date when all restrictions will be lifted. But if it hadn't, then that would have been cheered by many on here also.
I have explicitly said I believe his choice is fair. If he's not harming anyone else, go for it.
Still quite odd, however, for the reasons kinabalu sketches. But that is not a criticism just an opinion
He says he will get the jab in his own time if it's not govt-related.
Perhaps he is sick to death and has had enough of the government regulating every single element of our lives including when we can walk outside our front door and who we can sleep with for the past year.
hear hear
That's the logic of a literal child. I don't like this one thing, so I will reject this other thing even though it helps me.
There are a lot of things to push back on in relation to the laws and restrictions we have had imposed (notably vaccines are not one of those impositions). How does petulantly refusing a vaccine sooner because it comes from the government achieve that?
Frankly it would make more sense to be an anti-vaxxer than be 'I'm for a vaccine, just not right now thanks, but also hurry up and remove all the restrictions, so no one else do what I am doing'.
Harry and Meghan say they left the royal family because they had so much to offer the world, so much they could say. But apparently all they have to talk about is themselves
Even if that is an unfair summary, certainly they appear to get a lot more attention about talking about themselves or other royals rather than the things they are presumably interested in.
Prediction: they are going to end up massively unpopular. Always famous, but really disliked by many, as his boyish charm disappears, and her beauty fades. Because that is what they are trading in now. The Bitcoin of celebrity.
That would be a shame, but I just can't see what the endgame here is for them - their status is because they are royals, and while there'll always be a market for 'the royals who slag off/speak the truth about the other royals', that's pretty exhausing and surely not what they want to spend their time on for decades to come? And that they want attention at all means they don't wish to just sit back and enjoy their wealth and family, so what's the next move?
Who cares
Evidently lots of people since it will be all over the news whatever they do. May as well go with the flow.
Harry and Meghan say they left the royal family because they had so much to offer the world, so much they could say. But apparently all they have to talk about is themselves
Even if that is an unfair summary, certainly they appear to get a lot more attention about talking about themselves or other royals rather than the things they are presumably interested in.
Prediction: they are going to end up massively unpopular. Always famous, but really disliked by many, as his boyish charm disappears, and her beauty fades. Because that is what they are trading in now. The Bitcoin of celebrity.
They are currently slightly protected by lockdowns. She is going to hate being on the standard tabloid “get a snap of her sunbathing” list. So is he. And as for the kids....
The Royal Family can pull in favours they now can’t.
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An NHS England letter sent to GPs in mid-February says people who have "ever had an emergency asthma admission" to hospital fall into priority group six, which is currently being vaccinated.
Sonja Chenier, 47, from Colchester, has had three hospital admissions in the past 15 years and takes multiple medications daily for her asthma.
Her GP surgery told her she wasn't eligible for the vaccine yet because her hospital admissions weren't in the past year, and so "it wasn't relevant". She was told to expect a call for a vaccine along with her age group in around June.
So her GP
i) Isn't following official advice
ii) Thinks G40-49 will be done in June rather than May (Which is after G50-59).
It's really not on and one has to wonder if @Gallowgate GP is using a similar interpretation of official advice.
Really begs the question what the point of Group 6 being where it is in the priority list to be honest.
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1367875088662605826
https://twitter.com/ColSMal/status/1367873502414569474?s=20
https://twitter.com/bnhw_/status/1367864926954524681?s=19
https://twitter.com/Paul1Singh/status/1367875544189140993?s=20
I am. I am very glad my daughter is going to school on Monday. It's good news
However, I am even more delighted that I am getting vaxxed next Friday, partly for purely selfish reasons - I don't want to die, but also because it means I cannot infect anyone else, esp those I love, but mainly, I reckon, because it's not until you get your own vaccination appointment that you personally feel this thing is coming to an end. Yes, I've seen the good numbers, but they are numbers. THIS is real, and happening to me.
And for that: thankyou God, the NHS, and Her Majesty's Government, and I am not sure I have ever thanked all three of those, in one go, before
There is a help line you could call to book - 119 I think
I nevertheless do not get you. Not that you don't see it as a public duty, whereas most do, I get that. You are not a publicly spirited person and do not claim to be. So that's bang on brand. And who's to say when an action becomes a duty anyway? People have differing views on this. It's a tricky area.
What I don't get is why you - as a 'me me me' person - don't want a vaccine asap for YOURSELF. This can be a very nasty disease if you catch it. Huge amounts of money and time have been invested in order to manufacture the protection. It's safe, it all but eliminates your PERSONAL covid risk, and it's free of charge. Costs you nothing at all.
Yet you pass. This is irrational judged by your own profile. You're not a softhead who thinks it will be used to track you. You don't believe all that shit. So it just makes no sense to pass. You're looking a gift horse in the mouth. Only a dummy does that, which you aren't. Dummies don't get to be as successful as you are in life.
So here's my conclusion. I think you are either lying for effect (and will get it) or you are sulking about things not going the way you'd like them to and are reacting with some truculent self-harm. Bit like when Trump lost you started saying the GOP will never ever win again and it's all over for America as we know it. I'm losing so I'm not playing anymore. It's all just stupid and I can't be bothered. With US elections. With the vaccine.
I think it's one of those. I won't say which since I have it as about a 50/50.
No charge for that piece of bespoke psychoanalysis. I considered it my duty and in any case quite enjoyed it.
(I've been pleasantly surprised at how well everything has been working, so far)
I really struggle to come to terms with what a UK government has done since March last year.
It seems to me the lockdown response is a wildly disproportionate response to the problem being addressed and it scares me that questioning the impact of the policy on the economy, on the young, on our individual freedoms or suggesting an alternative approach (e.g. Sweden) is given such short shrift or indeed ridiculed.
That the UK government has seen fit to terrify the populace into acquiescence makes me question their motives, which these days would have me labelled a conspiracy theorist. While I marvel at the brilliance of the vaccine scientists, expressing concerns about the speed of vaccine development and approval has one castigated as an 'anti-vaxxer'. I'm not, of course, and I will have the vaccine when offered but I won't be joyful or relieved or proud or forever grateful to 'our wonderful NHS'. No, I'll have it because it's the only way out of this nightmare but I also want the government to know that I'm really not impressed with being treated as a naughty schoolchild through all of this.
I'm very uncomfortable with the idea of being manipulated by its 'behavioral psychologists' and I worry about the lack of diversity of opinion among the governments scientific advisors. The power these unaccountable people have is truly worrying.
So, what's the government up to? Is it simply doing it's best having made a political decision that one death to COVID is too many? Probably ... but why take that approach with COVID in the first place? Did they simply panic back in March last year? Are they too proud to change tack? Probably.
But what now? Can we ever go back to they way things were? No, I don't think so. COVID has proved that we can be cowed into submission if we are frightened enough and if we are thrown the odd sweetie to keep us distracted ... Netflix, Premier League, take-away McDonalds. Any future government that wants to achieve some policy objective (climate change anyone) knows the playbook now and that makes me genuinely fearful for the future of our country.
Ironically, as the one most likely to die from it, the best I can now do is bronze medal in my family of 4.
Every person who gets vaccinated now is helping to further fray the link between cases and hospitalisations - more and more beyond how it has already frayed with the vaccinations to date.
They mean that when the Government take a look at the data three weeks after schools go back, they're less and less likely to worry if cases do go up (as hospitalisations are less and less likely to go up with them) and therefore less and less likely to u-turn on either schools opening or further pushing the roadmap forwards.
Wow so JM (Judith McKinnon) stated on oath she couldn’t remember the meeting ?!?
They can’t rest on pleadings that ‘we know to be untrue’!!?
What on earth goes on in the government
I'm agnostic and I'm happy to let people go with the non-interventionist free-will interpretation of God (not to blame for virus, not credited for vaccine), but it seems inconsistent to me if the answer is 'no'.
That is the difference.
https://twitter.com/iainmartin1/status/1367546498523742211?s=20
If I hadn't gently reminded the GP when carting one of the cared for to an appointment I suspect I'd have been missed off. They sat on the form which told them I was a carer for about 8 months without processing it. I've actually been doing the job for years without telling them formally but thought I'd better register last year because I guessed that there might be a vaccine priority list.
I think this pandemic has revealed that there is very much a postcode lottery when it comes to GPs. Some have not been terribly efficient. The speed of the overall vaccine programme has hidden this to some extent, but it is definitely an issue.
Do keep hassling them.
On another note, for those with booked appointments - be prepared to get even more paranoid in the days prior to your jab. After all, it would be daft to catch the lurgy with only a few days to go...
Nicola Sturgeon received legal advice that her Government would lose in court to Alex Salmond months before blowing £692,000 fighting his judicial review.
Scotland’s most senior lawyer Roddy Dunlop QC was asked for an opinion on the former first minister’s challenge to a sexual harassment probe in October 2018, the Sunday Mail understands.
Sources have confirmed his response was that the former SNP leader would be likely to win. But the Scottish Government rejected the advice on October 31 and forged ahead with the case – before conceding in January 2019 at a huge cost to taxpayers.
The city's heavily pro-Beijing electoral committee would get new powers over the parliament, or Legislative Council (LegCo).
It's kind of incredible that the Chinese government felt the need to change what was already an electoral system heavily rigged in favour of the pro-Beijing camp.
With only half the members of the territory's mini parliament directly elected, and the other half installed by political allies, why the change?
Now, after the coming electoral "rebuild" is ushered in... there won't be even the pretence of democratic elections in Hong Kong.
An election committee - controlled by Beijing - will not only screen all candidates standing in elections, but also directly appoint "a large proportion" of the Legislative Council.
It will be almost impossible for any candidate advocating democratic change to be elected to office - and that's the way China's senior leadership likes it.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-56264117
In all seriousness, why even bother with elections at this point? They aren't fooliing anyone, and they know they are't fooling anyone, so why the pretence?
https://twitter.com/megynkelly/status/1367879121041301507?s=20
*goes to collect birch twigs for the self-flagellation....*
Whatever the merits of his position, I continually find it interesting if not disappointing that there is such instant animosity and dismissal of his views. He is entitled not to want a jab because that's the country we live in. Or used to.
How we all laughed and pointed fingers when the Chinese announced that people wouldn't be allowed to leave HK and lo and behold our govt is making us fill out forms before we go abroad to see if we are going when it's not allowed. Just ponder that. Today we can't go to see our dying parents at home. By law.
Ponder also the year of unprecedented restrictions of liberty, the damage done to so many physically, psychologically and economically by the govt.
Now, there are good reasons for all of it. But for PB, that group of independent, free-thinking types, the falling in behind the government's every move has been an eye-opener.
Everyone has their red lines. @contrarian has his and others have theirs. Some had theirs tested the other day when it was mooted that restrictions would be based on cases and lockdown wouldn't end until these were low. In the end the govt has now set a date when all restrictions will be lifted. But if it hadn't, then that would have been cheered by many on here also.
Still quite odd, however, for the reasons kinabalu sketches. But that is not a criticism just an opinion
Even if that is an unfair summary, certainly they appear to get a lot more attention about talking about themselves or other royals rather than the things they are presumably interested in.
I'm not sure this is wise but it's understandable.
Meanwhile lots of lives could probably be saved by concentrating on getting a first vaccine dose to as many people as possible and worrying about booster shots later.
Perhaps he is sick to death and has had enough of the government regulating every single element of our lives including when we can walk outside our front door and who we can sleep with for the past year.
https://twitter.com/BrunoBrussels/status/1367880918338306048?s=20
https://twitter.com/BrunoBrussels/status/1367880921123352576?s=20
https://twitter.com/BrunoBrussels/status/1367880922838798347?s=20
https://twitter.com/BrunoBrussels/status/1367880929880981507?s=20
Also, seems a bit concerning that the lawyer had to remind them again about apparent vs actual bias.
Save lives while minimising damage otherwise.
He doesn't want to have 'the government' do it, fine, regardless of whether that makes sense in terms of it, you know, protecting him. But enough of this playing the hero as though its a moral failing of others to, non bindingly, decide that with all else we entrust in government, they can know if we've had a jab.
Age is something the NHS knows only too well. Name? Date of Birth?
That's what they ask.
I get the feeling that forms/papers are used by people wanting to mentally invoke the Ordnungspolizei trope.
Standard governing party entitlement, seen the world over if they can get away with it.
It's a complete non-starter.
He just said 2 weeks, UoB study shows you are 80% covered against hospitalisations.
You know everybody will now take it that being careful for 2 weeks is more than enough. a weeks enough right....
Prof Penfold message last week was far better, a month, you need at least a month...
There are a lot of things to push back on in relation to the laws and restrictions we have had imposed (notably vaccines are not one of those impositions). How does petulantly refusing a vaccine sooner because it comes from the government achieve that?
Frankly it would make more sense to be an anti-vaxxer than be 'I'm for a vaccine, just not right now thanks, but also hurry up and remove all the restrictions, so no one else do what I am doing'.
The Royal Family can pull in favours they now can’t.