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  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    ydoethur said:

    He’s plagiarising bloody Disraeli now.

    "Who are these Zulus, who are these remarkable people who defeat our generals, convert our bishops and on this day have brought the end to a great dynasty ?"
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    Is this a prayer, or is it a sermon?
  • Have they shot him yet?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,774
    The first president who doesn't go along with all this religious nonsense is going to be a long time coming
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,706
    kle4 said:

    kjh said:

    Isn't it wierd that Donald was a far more interesting speaker yet most of what he said was a gibberish random selection of words.

    It's very hard to pull off - his energy and confidence being what they were he was a fascinating figure. The Trump children just don't cut the mustard, there's something just too self conscious about Donny junior for instance, like he's doing an act where his dad actually is that way.
    He is not a natural orator but I have never seen anyone work a crowd like he does. It’s symbiotic. He throws out some riffs and some come back multiplied 100 times. And then he builds on that dropping the rest. It’s more like stand up than a speech but in a world of sound bites it really works.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    Unintentional(?) trolling by the Beeb:

    ‘First speech is an optimistic call for national unity.’
  • Totally unexpectedly, Berniebros and Corbo worlds are getting exercised at rich liberals being chuffed and Trump being a cnut for not pardoning Assange.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,549
    edited January 2021
    Pardon me (ahem) for bringing this up right now, but do PBers think that Trumpsky's 11th-hour pardon of Steve Bannon has affected the odds in favor of Senate conviction on the current article of impeachment?

    My own guess is that it increases the probability.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    Interestingly, according to Dr. Saul David, the Zulu War of 1879 was the last pre-emptive war launched by the British until the Iraq War of 2003.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,691
    Hopeless black themes Trumpery.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    Totally unexpectedly, Berniebros and Corbo worlds are getting exercised at rich liberals being chuffed and Trump being a cnut for not pardoning Assange.

    I never understood why people thought he would pardon Assange. He was the President who was trying to arrest him, FFS - Obama was (foolishly, with hindsight) not bothered about him.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,342
    IanB2 said:

    The first president who doesn't go along with all this religious nonsense is going to be a long time coming

    Well. We've just said bye bye to the nearest they've had to an atheist in living memory.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,302
    edited January 2021

    Interestingly, according to Dr. Saul David, the Zulu War of 1879 was the last pre-emptive war launched by the British until the Iraq War of 2003.

    Suez?

    Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,706

    Totally unexpectedly, Berniebros and Corbo worlds are getting exercised at rich liberals being chuffed and Trump being a cnut for not pardoning Assange.

    Yes but what about Joe Exotic? The limo was warmed up.
  • Interestingly, according to Dr. Saul David, the Zulu War of 1879 was the last pre-emptive war launched by the British until the Iraq War of 2003.

    Suez?
  • Omnium said:

    ydoethur said:

    ping said:

    He’s a very average speaker

    He was getting a bit lost towards the end there. A few stumbles and a rambling conclusion.

    Also, of course, the oldest ever president as of this moment, a year older than Reagan.
    Lets face it, the speech was awful.
    That's what the pundits said at the time about the Gettysburg Address.
    Churchill's "finest hour" speech went down badly with the public. Many listeners thought he sounded drunk.

    The BBC could not broadcast it direct from the Commons so Churchill repeated it for the wireless later that evening, reading it with a cigar clamped in his mouth.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,926

    rcs1000 said:

    "democracy has prevailed"

    amen

    Echoing the words the democrats uttered in 2016, when they lost fair and square.

    Oh wait....
    Perhaps you would like to read this: https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/film-tv/news/a18754/barack-obama-speech-trump-victory-2016/

    THANK FUCK HE'S GONE.

    now, lock him up.

    ''healing''
    You do know that @Mary_Batty is not (a) American, or (b) a member of the Democratic Party, right?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,851
    It's a surprise that Jacob Rees Mogg has something in common with anyone normal
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,774
    dixiedean said:

    IanB2 said:

    The first president who doesn't go along with all this religious nonsense is going to be a long time coming

    Well. We've just said bye bye to the nearest they've had to an atheist in living memory.
    He wasn't what I ordered.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,077
    edited January 2021

    Have they shot him yet?

    no because

    image

    And if you believe that you will believe anything
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    kjh said:

    Isn't it wierd that Donald was a far more interesting speaker yet most of what he said was a gibberish random selection of words.

    It's very hard to pull off - his energy and confidence being what they were he was a fascinating figure. The Trump children just don't cut the mustard, there's something just too self conscious about Donny junior for instance, like he's doing an act where his dad actually is that way.
    He is not a natural orator but I have never seen anyone work a crowd like he does. It’s symbiotic. He throws out some riffs and some come back multiplied 100 times. And then he builds on that dropping the rest. It’s more like stand up than a speech but in a world of sound bites it really works.
    For Trump logic is out the window. I find it sad that so many fall for his s**t. If I were a teacher I'd try to give weekly the kids an article or speech to criticize.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,895

    The BBC could not broadcast it direct from the Commons so Churchill repeated it for the wireless later that evening, reading it with a cigar clamped in his mouth.

    There is a rumour that the recording was done by a standin
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    Interestingly, according to Dr. Saul David, the Zulu War of 1879 was the last pre-emptive war launched by the British until the Iraq War of 2003.

    Suez?

    Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran?
    The invasion of Russia in 1919?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555
    Roger said:

    It's a surprise that Jacob Rees Mogg has something in common with anyone normal
    JRM is a total arse.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639

    Interestingly, according to Dr. Saul David, the Zulu War of 1879 was the last pre-emptive war launched by the British until the Iraq War of 2003.

    Suez?

    Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran?
    Iceland. Faeroes? Norwegian landings.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555
    Biden did well. What a relief. One down. One to go.
  • ydoethur said:

    Interestingly, according to Dr. Saul David, the Zulu War of 1879 was the last pre-emptive war launched by the British until the Iraq War of 2003.

    Suez?

    Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran?
    The invasion of Russia in 1919?
    They were the two that came to mind straight away, I'm sure there's a few more.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639
    ydoethur said:

    Interestingly, according to Dr. Saul David, the Zulu War of 1879 was the last pre-emptive war launched by the British until the Iraq War of 2003.

    Suez?

    Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran?
    The invasion of Russia in 1919?
    And the attacks on Vichy France in 1940 onwards, do they count? Madagascar, Oran, etc.
  • dixiedean said:

    IanB2 said:

    The first president who doesn't go along with all this religious nonsense is going to be a long time coming

    Well. We've just said bye bye to the nearest they've had to an atheist in living memory.
    That remark is unfairly offensive (and visa versa) to atheists.

    Trumpsky is NOT an atheist. He is a devil worshiper, his god is Lord of the Flies.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639
    Jonathan said:

    Roger said:

    It's a surprise that Jacob Rees Mogg has something in common with anyone normal
    JRM is a total arse.
    I presume Roger knows about this story?

    https://www.prweekawards.com/finalists/beano-vs-jacob-rees-mogg/
  • eekeek Posts: 28,077
    Meanwhile China has announced a few sanctions against some Americans

    https://twitter.com/BreakingIEN/status/1351945688482017283
  • Scott_xP said:

    The BBC could not broadcast it direct from the Commons so Churchill repeated it for the wireless later that evening, reading it with a cigar clamped in his mouth.

    There is a rumour that the recording was done by a standin
    I've heard that an actor was used for some speeches but tbh I've not researched it other than once asking a big cheese at the Churchill Society (or some such) who said it was the PM.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Interestingly, according to Dr. Saul David, the Zulu War of 1879 was the last pre-emptive war launched by the British until the Iraq War of 2003.

    Suez?

    Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran?
    The invasion of Russia in 1919?
    And the attacks on Vichy France in 1940 onwards, do they count? Madagascar, Oran, etc.
    The Anglo Zanzibar war of 1896 springs to mind as well.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    eek said:

    Have they shot him yet?

    no because

    image

    And if you believe that you will believe anything
    OPERATION SHADOWPREZ

    Fucking hell.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947
    edited January 2021
    So, that was good. Now let the healing begin. Let's heal the bastards to the wall!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,873

    Now Trump has gone what are all the late night talks show in the US going to joke about? The writers might actually have to do some work, rather than rehash Orange Man bad every night.

    It did get tiresome. Much fun was had but Trump hate has its limits.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,827

    eek said:

    Have they shot him yet?

    no because

    image

    And if you believe that you will believe anything
    OPERATION SHADOWPREZ

    Fucking hell.
    Well it happened with Corbyn, CCHQ agent extraordinaire. (Sir Jeremey, GCMG as he is soon to be)
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994

    Interestingly, according to Dr. Saul David, the Zulu War of 1879 was the last pre-emptive war launched by the British until the Iraq War of 2003.

    Suez?

    Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran?
    I think his argument is that there are precedents for those.

    On the former, because Nasser nationalised British assets and on the latter within the purview of WWII because Reza Shah was considered friendly to Nazi Germany.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,314
    ydoethur said:

    Totally unexpectedly, Berniebros and Corbo worlds are getting exercised at rich liberals being chuffed and Trump being a cnut for not pardoning Assange.

    I never understood why people thought he would pardon Assange. He was the President who was trying to arrest him, FFS - Obama was (foolishly, with hindsight) not bothered about him.
    I had a friendly bet with a mate that Edward Snowden was going to get a pardon. Looks like that’s costing me a couple of beers next time I see him.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,359

    eek said:

    Have they shot him yet?

    no because

    image

    And if you believe that you will believe anything
    OPERATION SHADOWPREZ

    Fucking hell.
    Making the best of a very, very bad job.

    Nutters.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Interestingly, according to Dr. Saul David, the Zulu War of 1879 was the last pre-emptive war launched by the British until the Iraq War of 2003.

    Suez?

    Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran?
    The invasion of Russia in 1919?
    And the attacks on Vichy France in 1940 onwards, do they count? Madagascar, Oran, etc.
    Vichy France was aligned to Nazi Germany.

    You can read his argument here - I was surprised myself: http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/victorians/zulu_01.shtml
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,477

    Do we still have to refer to him with the honorary title of President Trump?

    Helmet is the preferred honorific.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,342

    dixiedean said:

    IanB2 said:

    The first president who doesn't go along with all this religious nonsense is going to be a long time coming

    Well. We've just said bye bye to the nearest they've had to an atheist in living memory.
    That remark is unfairly offensive (and visa versa) to atheists.

    Trumpsky is NOT an atheist. He is a devil worshiper, his god is Lord of the Flies.
    If I were pushed I would say Trump worships a God made in his own image.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    Pardon me (ahem) for bringing this up right now, but do PBers think that Trumpsky's 11th-hour pardon of Steve Bannon has affected the odds in favor of Senate conviction on the current article of impeachment?

    My own guess is that it increases the probability.

    Marginally, but not as much as a self-pardon or blanket pardon for his crime family or the Capitol insurrectionists.

    I think a lot will depend on how long it takes for the trial to proceed and what Trump/Bannon try to do. If there is any sign that they are serious about starting a spoiler party before the Senate votes, then we'd be looking at all or nearly all the GOP senators piling on.
  • I hope all the dignitaries had been vaccinated; that did not look a particularly Covid secure event to me there at the end.
  • Do we still have to refer to him with the honorary title of President Trump?

    Helmet is the preferred honorific.
    Or, simply, The Accused
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,477
    Omnium said:

    ydoethur said:

    ping said:

    He’s a very average speaker

    He was getting a bit lost towards the end there. A few stumbles and a rambling conclusion.

    Also, of course, the oldest ever president as of this moment, a year older than Reagan.
    Lets face it, the speech was awful.
    Our thoughts are with you at this difficult time.

  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,774
    edited January 2021

    dixiedean said:

    IanB2 said:

    The first president who doesn't go along with all this religious nonsense is going to be a long time coming

    Well. We've just said bye bye to the nearest they've had to an atheist in living memory.
    That remark is unfairly offensive (and visa versa) to atheists.

    Trumpsky is NOT an atheist. He is a devil worshiper, his god is Lord of the Flies.
    No atheist would have made all those judicial appointments

    Believing yourself to be god disqualifies you as an atheist, in any case.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    edited January 2021

    Omnium said:

    ydoethur said:

    ping said:

    He’s a very average speaker

    He was getting a bit lost towards the end there. A few stumbles and a rambling conclusion.

    Also, of course, the oldest ever president as of this moment, a year older than Reagan.
    Lets face it, the speech was awful.
    That's what the pundits said at the time about the Gettysburg Address.
    There was an interesting article a few months back, which I can't lay my hands right now, on from a journalist who attended a primary hustings somewhere in the Boondocks. Biden gave this excruciatingly bad speech. An old man, rambling, who totally lost his audience. He compared him sadly now with the sharp streetfighter politician that Biden had been when younger and completely wrote him off as a viable presidential candidate.

    Then he realised a few months later that Biden was still there, not only having survived the Democrat primary, but was on course to turf out the incumbent. He was still making these rambling speeches but they were part of Biden's offer for the presidency. He's consistent, he seems to believe his own message and they are the right words for the right time.

    So, I don't think this will be Gettysburg II. But it may do the job.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,637
    eek said:

    Meanwhile China has announced a few sanctions against some Americans

    https://twitter.com/BreakingIEN/status/1351945688482017283

    What sanctions are they imposing?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,477
    Roger said:

    It's a surprise that Jacob Rees Mogg has something in common with anyone normal
    Would you consider J-Lo normal?
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    eek said:

    Meanwhile China has announced a few sanctions against some Americans

    https://twitter.com/BreakingIEN/status/1351945688482017283

    Indeed. Xinhua News jubilant. For those who are rejoicing that Trump has gone, it must be gratifying to know that the leadership of a brutal, genocidal super-power is on your side!

  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    edited January 2021

    "We will lead not merely by the example of our power, but by the power of our example."

    Great line. We'll hold you to that one, Joe.

    © Bill Clinton, DNC 2008.

    Still a good line though.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,359

    Do we still have to refer to him with the honorary title of President Trump?

    Yes, although a conviction and censure by Congress might stop that courtesy.
    Good enough reason to convict.
  • eek said:

    Meanwhile China has announced a few sanctions against some Americans

    https://twitter.com/BreakingIEN/status/1351945688482017283

    Indeed. Xinhua News jubilant. For those who are rejoicing that Trump has gone, it must be gratifying to know that the leadership of a brutal, genocidal super-power is on your side!

    10 PRINT "denial"
    20 PRINT "anger" <---- YOU ARE HERE
    25 GOTO 10
    30 PRINT "bargaining"
    40 PRINT "depression"
    50 PRINT "acceptance"
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,774
    FF43 said:

    Omnium said:

    ydoethur said:

    ping said:

    He’s a very average speaker

    He was getting a bit lost towards the end there. A few stumbles and a rambling conclusion.

    Also, of course, the oldest ever president as of this moment, a year older than Reagan.
    Lets face it, the speech was awful.
    That's what the pundits said at the time about the Gettysburg Address.
    There was an interesting article a few months back, which I can't lay my hands right now, on from a journalist who attended a primary hustings somewhere in the Boondocks. Biden gave this excruciatingly bad speech. An old man, rambling, who totally lost his audience. He compared him sadly now with the sharp streetfighter politician that Biden had been and completely wrote him off as a viable presidential candidate.

    Then he realised a few months later that Biden was still there, not only having survived the Democrat primary, but was on course to turf out the incumbent. He was still making these rambling speeches but they were part of Biden's offer for the presidency. He's consistent, he seems to believe his own message and they are the right words for the right time.

    So, I don't think this will be Gettysburg II. But it may do the job.
    The Dems chose someone with no specific negatives, just some generalised ones that would shape up against Trump’s considerable tally in that department. They learned something from 2016, it seems.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,827

    eek said:

    Meanwhile China has announced a few sanctions against some Americans

    https://twitter.com/BreakingIEN/status/1351945688482017283

    Indeed. Xinhua News jubilant. For those who are rejoicing that Trump has gone, it must be gratifying to know that the leadership of a brutal, genocidal super-power is on your side!

    Completely meaningless gesture. Had they done it while they were still in office, on the other hand.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    Do we still have to refer to him with the honorary title of President Trump?

    Helmet is the preferred honorific.
    Or, simply, The Accused
    I misread that as ‘the Accursed,’ which made plenty of sense.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,320
    RobD said:

    eek said:

    Meanwhile China has announced a few sanctions against some Americans

    https://twitter.com/BreakingIEN/status/1351945688482017283

    Indeed. Xinhua News jubilant. For those who are rejoicing that Trump has gone, it must be gratifying to know that the leadership of a brutal, genocidal super-power is on your side!

    Completely meaningless gesture. Had they done it while they were still in office, on the other hand.
    It's a too clever by half attempt to play on divisions in the US.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Labour MP just rang, my wife took the call.

    Grr.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,637

    eek said:

    Meanwhile China has announced a few sanctions against some Americans

    https://twitter.com/BreakingIEN/status/1351945688482017283

    Indeed. Xinhua News jubilant. For those who are rejoicing that Trump has gone, it must be gratifying to know that the leadership of a brutal, genocidal super-power is on your side!

    Why whats Boris said!!!!!
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    kjh said:

    Isn't it wierd that Donald was a far more interesting speaker yet most of what he said was a gibberish random selection of words.

    It's very hard to pull off - his energy and confidence being what they were he was a fascinating figure. The Trump children just don't cut the mustard, there's something just too self conscious about Donny junior for instance, like he's doing an act where his dad actually is that way.
    He is not a natural orator but I have never seen anyone work a crowd like he does. It’s symbiotic. He throws out some riffs and some come back multiplied 100 times. And then he builds on that dropping the rest. It’s more like stand up than a speech but in a world of sound bites it really works.
    Trump is a decent speechmaker. Not in the Obama class, but he knows how to work an audience.

    Which makes him dangerous.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,873
    eek said:

    Have they shot him yet?

    no because

    image

    And if you believe that you will believe anything
    I deeply hope that among the craziest theories the ratio of people making it all up for fun and those who believe it is around 90-10.
  • dr_spyn said:

    Labour MP just rang, my wife took the call.

    Grr.

    Do you get a lot of nuisance calls?
  • Since this IS a betting website, what are the odds that the British government will NOT allow Trumpsky to enter the UK?
  • Well, it sounds like I'm in a minority, but I thought Biden's speech was absolutely splendid; not sure what more he could have said. Just the right tone, and enough substance to set an agenda for the future. And Kamala is just fab - she just looks so excited about her new job, which is refreshing.

    I remain baffled by the extent of the God thing, however, in the USA. Doesn't sit easily for me with being 'the most advanced nation on earth'.

    Most religious nations think they are the best on earth. Us atheists and agnostics are more likely to think, we are pretty good, but what about that lot over there?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639

    Well, it sounds like I'm in a minority, but I thought Biden's speech was absolutely splendid; not sure what more he could have said. Just the right tone, and enough substance to set an agenda for the future. And Kamala is just fab - she just looks so excited about her new job, which is refreshing.

    I remain baffled by the extent of the God thing, however, in the USA. Doesn't sit easily for me with being 'the most advanced nation on earth'.

    Also because of the notional separation of church and state.

    Mind, there is the whisker-beyond-late-mediaeval Henrician settlement in England. Imagine Mr Trump appointing the Bishops of Washington DC, San Francisco ...
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Interestingly, according to Dr. Saul David, the Zulu War of 1879 was the last pre-emptive war launched by the British until the Iraq War of 2003.

    Suez?

    Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran?
    The invasion of Russia in 1919?
    And the attacks on Vichy France in 1940 onwards, do they count? Madagascar, Oran, etc.
    The Anglo Zanzibar war of 1896 springs to mind as well.
    Surely the Zanzibaris started that by sailing their navy (all of it) into the path of a Royal Navy shell.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639

    Since this IS a betting website, what are the odds that the British government will NOT allow Trumpsky to enter the UK?

    You'll need to define the 'UK' bit for a start to avoid arguments. Also 'British government' - does the Scottish gmt count, if it doesn't let him into the airport or out of it? And 'entry'.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,774

    Well, it sounds like I'm in a minority, but I thought Biden's speech was absolutely splendid; not sure what more he could have said. Just the right tone, and enough substance to set an agenda for the future. And Kamala is just fab - she just looks so excited about her new job, which is refreshing.

    I remain baffled by the extent of the God thing, however, in the USA. Doesn't sit easily for me with being 'the most advanced nation on earth'.

    Go there and look at the state of the place, and you wouldn’t be suggesting they are the most advanced, except in regards of having perfected the art of getting so many citizens to work more hours than elsewhere in the west for modest pay in order to syphon off just enough federal revenue to support a very powerful military.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,926

    eek said:

    Meanwhile China has announced a few sanctions against some Americans

    https://twitter.com/BreakingIEN/status/1351945688482017283

    Indeed. Xinhua News jubilant. For those who are rejoicing that Trump has gone, it must be gratifying to know that the leadership of a brutal, genocidal super-power is on your side!

    1. Do you think America withdrawing from the TPP helped constrain China, or emboldened it?
    2. Do you think America unilaterally dropping all its punitive tariffs on China helped constrain China, or emboldened it?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639
    edited January 2021
    dr_spyn said:

    Labour MP just rang, my wife took the call.

    Grr.

    At missing it? Or at being phoned at all?

    BTW I owe you thanks for putting me onto that book on the aero engine race. Duly acquired for Xmas, looks very good. Beside bed now (for when the current book on wartime Standard Ships is finished).
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300

    dr_spyn said:

    Labour MP just rang, my wife took the call.

    Grr.

    Do you get a lot of nuisance calls?
    Made a pleasant change from Amazon Prime scams. At first I thought it was an polling firm, on the other end of the line. Range of questions on rating the handling of the pandemic, the Labour leadership, past voting intention, with a final reference to local elections. Was staggered when my wife told me who she had talking to.
  • eek said:

    Have they shot him yet?

    no because

    image

    And if you believe that you will believe anything
    OPERATION SHADOWPREZ

    Fucking hell.
    The gullibility of people never ceases to amaze, does it?
  • dr_spyn said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Labour MP just rang, my wife took the call.

    Grr.

    Do you get a lot of nuisance calls?
    Made a pleasant change from Amazon Prime scams. At first I thought it was an polling firm, on the other end of the line. Range of questions on rating the handling of the pandemic, the Labour leadership, past voting intention, with a final reference to local elections. Was staggered when my wife told me who she had talking to.
    What's the latest on the locals? Are they going ahead?
  • Have they shot him yet?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,873

    dr_spyn said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Labour MP just rang, my wife took the call.

    Grr.

    Do you get a lot of nuisance calls?
    Made a pleasant change from Amazon Prime scams. At first I thought it was an polling firm, on the other end of the line. Range of questions on rating the handling of the pandemic, the Labour leadership, past voting intention, with a final reference to local elections. Was staggered when my wife told me who she had talking to.
    What's the latest on the locals? Are they going ahead?
    Yes, but under review, so that probably = cancellation in a month (before candidaters are registered)
  • kle4 said:

    dr_spyn said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Labour MP just rang, my wife took the call.

    Grr.

    Do you get a lot of nuisance calls?
    Made a pleasant change from Amazon Prime scams. At first I thought it was an polling firm, on the other end of the line. Range of questions on rating the handling of the pandemic, the Labour leadership, past voting intention, with a final reference to local elections. Was staggered when my wife told me who she had talking to.
    What's the latest on the locals? Are they going ahead?
    Yes, but under review, so that probably = cancellation in a month (before candidaters are registered)
    Fuck. This is not good.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,873
    edited January 2021

    kle4 said:

    dr_spyn said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Labour MP just rang, my wife took the call.

    Grr.

    Do you get a lot of nuisance calls?
    Made a pleasant change from Amazon Prime scams. At first I thought it was an polling firm, on the other end of the line. Range of questions on rating the handling of the pandemic, the Labour leadership, past voting intention, with a final reference to local elections. Was staggered when my wife told me who she had talking to.
    What's the latest on the locals? Are they going ahead?
    Yes, but under review, so that probably = cancellation in a month (before candidaters are registered)
    Fuck. This is not good.
    I stress that is my interpretation of their statement of them being under review, given how many people want them delayed and how many others do not care if they are. The official word is is review, but they really want them to go ahead.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    IanB2 said:

    FF43 said:

    Omnium said:

    ydoethur said:

    ping said:

    He’s a very average speaker

    He was getting a bit lost towards the end there. A few stumbles and a rambling conclusion.

    Also, of course, the oldest ever president as of this moment, a year older than Reagan.
    Lets face it, the speech was awful.
    That's what the pundits said at the time about the Gettysburg Address.
    There was an interesting article a few months back, which I can't lay my hands right now, on from a journalist who attended a primary hustings somewhere in the Boondocks. Biden gave this excruciatingly bad speech. An old man, rambling, who totally lost his audience. He compared him sadly now with the sharp streetfighter politician that Biden had been and completely wrote him off as a viable presidential candidate.

    Then he realised a few months later that Biden was still there, not only having survived the Democrat primary, but was on course to turf out the incumbent. He was still making these rambling speeches but they were part of Biden's offer for the presidency. He's consistent, he seems to believe his own message and they are the right words for the right time.

    So, I don't think this will be Gettysburg II. But it may do the job.
    The Dems chose someone with no specific negatives, just some generalised ones that would shape up against Trump’s considerable tally in that department. They learned something from 2016, it seems.
    I think Biden could be better than just the "Not Trump" president. He seems to me to have a very clear vision of where he wants America to go politically, combined with a wiliness and sense of purpose that might deliver on that vision.

    We'll see. But I have some hope that Biden might be a good, maybe even great, president.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300

    dr_spyn said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Labour MP just rang, my wife took the call.

    Grr.

    Do you get a lot of nuisance calls?
    Made a pleasant change from Amazon Prime scams. At first I thought it was an polling firm, on the other end of the line. Range of questions on rating the handling of the pandemic, the Labour leadership, past voting intention, with a final reference to local elections. Was staggered when my wife told me who she had talking to.
    What's the latest on the locals? Are they going ahead?
    The Mail seems to think so, but I haven't seen anything to refute it yet.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9168471/Boris-Johnson-decides-local-elections-ahead-planned-6.html
  • "We will lead not merely by the example of our power, but by the power of our example."

    Great line. We'll hold you to that one, Joe.

    © Bill Clinton, DNC 2008.

    Still a good line though.
    Is he plagiarising again? This could be a good hobby for the next 4 years for keen political observers.
  • Have they shot him yet?

    Go soak yer head, and sober up.

    Such talk on THIS day is even more offensive than your usual low standard. You should be ashamed of yourself.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,114
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    dr_spyn said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Labour MP just rang, my wife took the call.

    Grr.

    Do you get a lot of nuisance calls?
    Made a pleasant change from Amazon Prime scams. At first I thought it was an polling firm, on the other end of the line. Range of questions on rating the handling of the pandemic, the Labour leadership, past voting intention, with a final reference to local elections. Was staggered when my wife told me who she had talking to.
    What's the latest on the locals? Are they going ahead?
    Yes, but under review, so that probably = cancellation in a month (before candidaters are registered)
    Fuck. This is not good.
    I stress that is my interpretation of their statement of them being under review, given how many people want them delayed and how many others do not care if they are. The official word is is review, but they really want them to go ahead.
    Papers today suggested May 6th is a goer. I will be most surprised, but very pleased, if that is the case:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/01/20/exc-english-local-elections-set-go-ahead-without-delay-may-6/
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,827

    Have they shot him yet?

    This is going to get tedious quite quickly.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,873
    FF43 said:

    IanB2 said:

    FF43 said:

    Omnium said:

    ydoethur said:

    ping said:

    He’s a very average speaker

    He was getting a bit lost towards the end there. A few stumbles and a rambling conclusion.

    Also, of course, the oldest ever president as of this moment, a year older than Reagan.
    Lets face it, the speech was awful.
    That's what the pundits said at the time about the Gettysburg Address.
    There was an interesting article a few months back, which I can't lay my hands right now, on from a journalist who attended a primary hustings somewhere in the Boondocks. Biden gave this excruciatingly bad speech. An old man, rambling, who totally lost his audience. He compared him sadly now with the sharp streetfighter politician that Biden had been and completely wrote him off as a viable presidential candidate.

    Then he realised a few months later that Biden was still there, not only having survived the Democrat primary, but was on course to turf out the incumbent. He was still making these rambling speeches but they were part of Biden's offer for the presidency. He's consistent, he seems to believe his own message and they are the right words for the right time.

    So, I don't think this will be Gettysburg II. But it may do the job.
    The Dems chose someone with no specific negatives, just some generalised ones that would shape up against Trump’s considerable tally in that department. They learned something from 2016, it seems.
    I think Biden could be better than just the "Not Trump" president. He seems to me to have a very clear vision of where he wants America to go politically, combined with a wiliness and sense of purpose that might deliver on that vision.

    We'll see. But I have some hope that Biden might be a good, maybe even great, president.
    He knows how things work inside and outside Congress, and he knows a lot of people think he won't last the whole term let alone have a second, and he knows margins are tight in Senate and House - hopefully he wants to move as quickly as he can to get concrete achievements on the table.
  • kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    dr_spyn said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Labour MP just rang, my wife took the call.

    Grr.

    Do you get a lot of nuisance calls?
    Made a pleasant change from Amazon Prime scams. At first I thought it was an polling firm, on the other end of the line. Range of questions on rating the handling of the pandemic, the Labour leadership, past voting intention, with a final reference to local elections. Was staggered when my wife told me who she had talking to.
    What's the latest on the locals? Are they going ahead?
    Yes, but under review, so that probably = cancellation in a month (before candidaters are registered)
    Fuck. This is not good.
    I stress that is my interpretation of their statement of them being under review, given how many people want them delayed and how many others do not care if they are. The official word is is review, but they really want them to go ahead.
    Ok. Thanks. I really hope they do go ahead.
  • "We will lead not merely by the example of our power, but by the power of our example."

    Great line. We'll hold you to that one, Joe.

    © Bill Clinton, DNC 2008.

    Still a good line though.
    Is he plagiarising again? This could be a good hobby for the next 4 years for keen political observers.
    At least he's not stealing his lines - and ideas - from Benito Mussolini. OR Vladimir Putin.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,774
    At least all the online chatter about armed insurrections in all fifty states seems to have come to nothing.

    Those YouTube videos of Trumpers going onto the no-fly list clearly did the trick.
  • Have they shot him yet?

    Go soak yer head, and sober up.

    Such talk on THIS day is even more offensive than your usual low standard. You should be ashamed of yourself.
    I'll stop now. I don't want the loons to kill him. But as there's a swathe of plots out there which they've had to investigate its hardly offensive to point that out.

    "Trump is the real President behind the scenes". I have no idea how you glue your country back together.
  • Top quality rewriting from the Daily Mail...

    Hopes that Britain's great Covid vaccine rollout is still on track were raised today as official data revealed the UK dished out 346,000 jabs yesterday following fears the NHS drive may have stalled.
  • Carnyx said:

    Since this IS a betting website, what are the odds that the British government will NOT allow Trumpsky to enter the UK?

    You'll need to define the 'UK' bit for a start to avoid arguments. Also 'British government' - does the Scottish gmt count, if it doesn't let him into the airport or out of it? And 'entry'.
    No I don't, since EVERYBODY on here knows exactly what I mean. Including you!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,774
    FF43 said:

    IanB2 said:

    FF43 said:

    Omnium said:

    ydoethur said:

    ping said:

    He’s a very average speaker

    He was getting a bit lost towards the end there. A few stumbles and a rambling conclusion.

    Also, of course, the oldest ever president as of this moment, a year older than Reagan.
    Lets face it, the speech was awful.
    That's what the pundits said at the time about the Gettysburg Address.
    There was an interesting article a few months back, which I can't lay my hands right now, on from a journalist who attended a primary hustings somewhere in the Boondocks. Biden gave this excruciatingly bad speech. An old man, rambling, who totally lost his audience. He compared him sadly now with the sharp streetfighter politician that Biden had been and completely wrote him off as a viable presidential candidate.

    Then he realised a few months later that Biden was still there, not only having survived the Democrat primary, but was on course to turf out the incumbent. He was still making these rambling speeches but they were part of Biden's offer for the presidency. He's consistent, he seems to believe his own message and they are the right words for the right time.

    So, I don't think this will be Gettysburg II. But it may do the job.
    The Dems chose someone with no specific negatives, just some generalised ones that would shape up against Trump’s considerable tally in that department. They learned something from 2016, it seems.
    I think Biden could be better than just the "Not Trump" president. He seems to me to have a very clear vision of where he wants America to go politically, combined with a wiliness and sense of purpose that might deliver on that vision.

    We'll see. But I have some hope that Biden might be a good, maybe even great, president.
    He has potential to be great in a Reagan sense, in that he focuses on doing the moody and appoints some capable people to do the real work.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,774
    New York (CNN Business): As of noon today, Donald Trump is entitled to an annual pension of $221,400 and perks worth far more than that.

    It's possible -- but not certain -- he could lose that if he's convicted in the upcoming Senate impeachment trial.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Carnyx said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Labour MP just rang, my wife took the call.

    Grr.

    At missing it? Or at being phoned at all?

    BTW I owe you thanks for putting me onto that book on the aero engine race. Duly acquired for Xmas, looks very good. Beside bed now (for when the current book on wartime Standard Ships is finished).
    I gather that book as gone into a third reprint. It is very good, though I wish my understanding of some of the physics was better. Callum Douglas has stated on his twitter feed that he has put up enlarged versions of some diagrams on his website.

    Re phone call, sounded as if the call was meant for my wife. Had seen something earlier about door to door canvassing being a non starter, but hadn't expected MP to do a canvassing call herself.

  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,314
    IanB2 said:

    Well, it sounds like I'm in a minority, but I thought Biden's speech was absolutely splendid; not sure what more he could have said. Just the right tone, and enough substance to set an agenda for the future. And Kamala is just fab - she just looks so excited about her new job, which is refreshing.

    I remain baffled by the extent of the God thing, however, in the USA. Doesn't sit easily for me with being 'the most advanced nation on earth'.

    Go there and look at the state of the place, and you wouldn’t be suggesting they are the most advanced, except in regards of having perfected the art of getting so many citizens to work more hours than elsewhere in the west for modest pay in order to syphon off just enough federal revenue to support a very powerful military.
    I wasn't claiming it was the most advanced nation on earth - it's what they claim. That's why I put it in quotes. I certainly don't think it is, and I raised the God thing to illustrate this. I'd also agree that the gross inequalities evident in a nation of such wealth pushes it a long way down on any league table of greatness.
  • Jon Sopel saying US vaccination going very slowly....wonder how he describes it across Europe?
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