"Who are these Zulus, who are these remarkable people who defeat our generals, convert our bishops and on this day have brought the end to a great dynasty ?"
Isn't it wierd that Donald was a far more interesting speaker yet most of what he said was a gibberish random selection of words.
It's very hard to pull off - his energy and confidence being what they were he was a fascinating figure. The Trump children just don't cut the mustard, there's something just too self conscious about Donny junior for instance, like he's doing an act where his dad actually is that way.
He is not a natural orator but I have never seen anyone work a crowd like he does. It’s symbiotic. He throws out some riffs and some come back multiplied 100 times. And then he builds on that dropping the rest. It’s more like stand up than a speech but in a world of sound bites it really works.
Totally unexpectedly, Berniebros and Corbo worlds are getting exercised at rich liberals being chuffed and Trump being a cnut for not pardoning Assange.
Pardon me (ahem) for bringing this up right now, but do PBers think that Trumpsky's 11th-hour pardon of Steve Bannon has affected the odds in favor of Senate conviction on the current article of impeachment?
My own guess is that it increases the probability.
Totally unexpectedly, Berniebros and Corbo worlds are getting exercised at rich liberals being chuffed and Trump being a cnut for not pardoning Assange.
I never understood why people thought he would pardon Assange. He was the President who was trying to arrest him, FFS - Obama was (foolishly, with hindsight) not bothered about him.
Totally unexpectedly, Berniebros and Corbo worlds are getting exercised at rich liberals being chuffed and Trump being a cnut for not pardoning Assange.
Yes but what about Joe Exotic? The limo was warmed up.
He was getting a bit lost towards the end there. A few stumbles and a rambling conclusion.
Also, of course, the oldest ever president as of this moment, a year older than Reagan.
Lets face it, the speech was awful.
That's what the pundits said at the time about the Gettysburg Address.
Churchill's "finest hour" speech went down badly with the public. Many listeners thought he sounded drunk.
The BBC could not broadcast it direct from the Commons so Churchill repeated it for the wireless later that evening, reading it with a cigar clamped in his mouth.
Isn't it wierd that Donald was a far more interesting speaker yet most of what he said was a gibberish random selection of words.
It's very hard to pull off - his energy and confidence being what they were he was a fascinating figure. The Trump children just don't cut the mustard, there's something just too self conscious about Donny junior for instance, like he's doing an act where his dad actually is that way.
He is not a natural orator but I have never seen anyone work a crowd like he does. It’s symbiotic. He throws out some riffs and some come back multiplied 100 times. And then he builds on that dropping the rest. It’s more like stand up than a speech but in a world of sound bites it really works.
For Trump logic is out the window. I find it sad that so many fall for his s**t. If I were a teacher I'd try to give weekly the kids an article or speech to criticize.
The BBC could not broadcast it direct from the Commons so Churchill repeated it for the wireless later that evening, reading it with a cigar clamped in his mouth.
There is a rumour that the recording was done by a standin
The BBC could not broadcast it direct from the Commons so Churchill repeated it for the wireless later that evening, reading it with a cigar clamped in his mouth.
There is a rumour that the recording was done by a standin
I've heard that an actor was used for some speeches but tbh I've not researched it other than once asking a big cheese at the Churchill Society (or some such) who said it was the PM.
Now Trump has gone what are all the late night talks show in the US going to joke about? The writers might actually have to do some work, rather than rehash Orange Man bad every night.
It did get tiresome. Much fun was had but Trump hate has its limits.
Interestingly, according to Dr. Saul David, the Zulu War of 1879 was the last pre-emptive war launched by the British until the Iraq War of 2003.
Suez?
Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran?
I think his argument is that there are precedents for those.
On the former, because Nasser nationalised British assets and on the latter within the purview of WWII because Reza Shah was considered friendly to Nazi Germany.
Totally unexpectedly, Berniebros and Corbo worlds are getting exercised at rich liberals being chuffed and Trump being a cnut for not pardoning Assange.
I never understood why people thought he would pardon Assange. He was the President who was trying to arrest him, FFS - Obama was (foolishly, with hindsight) not bothered about him.
I had a friendly bet with a mate that Edward Snowden was going to get a pardon. Looks like that’s costing me a couple of beers next time I see him.
Pardon me (ahem) for bringing this up right now, but do PBers think that Trumpsky's 11th-hour pardon of Steve Bannon has affected the odds in favor of Senate conviction on the current article of impeachment?
My own guess is that it increases the probability.
Marginally, but not as much as a self-pardon or blanket pardon for his crime family or the Capitol insurrectionists.
I think a lot will depend on how long it takes for the trial to proceed and what Trump/Bannon try to do. If there is any sign that they are serious about starting a spoiler party before the Senate votes, then we'd be looking at all or nearly all the GOP senators piling on.
He was getting a bit lost towards the end there. A few stumbles and a rambling conclusion.
Also, of course, the oldest ever president as of this moment, a year older than Reagan.
Lets face it, the speech was awful.
That's what the pundits said at the time about the Gettysburg Address.
There was an interesting article a few months back, which I can't lay my hands right now, on from a journalist who attended a primary hustings somewhere in the Boondocks. Biden gave this excruciatingly bad speech. An old man, rambling, who totally lost his audience. He compared him sadly now with the sharp streetfighter politician that Biden had been when younger and completely wrote him off as a viable presidential candidate.
Then he realised a few months later that Biden was still there, not only having survived the Democrat primary, but was on course to turf out the incumbent. He was still making these rambling speeches but they were part of Biden's offer for the presidency. He's consistent, he seems to believe his own message and they are the right words for the right time.
So, I don't think this will be Gettysburg II. But it may do the job.
Indeed. Xinhua News jubilant. For those who are rejoicing that Trump has gone, it must be gratifying to know that the leadership of a brutal, genocidal super-power is on your side!
Indeed. Xinhua News jubilant. For those who are rejoicing that Trump has gone, it must be gratifying to know that the leadership of a brutal, genocidal super-power is on your side!
10 PRINT "denial" 20 PRINT "anger" <---- YOU ARE HERE 25 GOTO 10 30 PRINT "bargaining" 40 PRINT "depression" 50 PRINT "acceptance"
He was getting a bit lost towards the end there. A few stumbles and a rambling conclusion.
Also, of course, the oldest ever president as of this moment, a year older than Reagan.
Lets face it, the speech was awful.
That's what the pundits said at the time about the Gettysburg Address.
There was an interesting article a few months back, which I can't lay my hands right now, on from a journalist who attended a primary hustings somewhere in the Boondocks. Biden gave this excruciatingly bad speech. An old man, rambling, who totally lost his audience. He compared him sadly now with the sharp streetfighter politician that Biden had been and completely wrote him off as a viable presidential candidate.
Then he realised a few months later that Biden was still there, not only having survived the Democrat primary, but was on course to turf out the incumbent. He was still making these rambling speeches but they were part of Biden's offer for the presidency. He's consistent, he seems to believe his own message and they are the right words for the right time.
So, I don't think this will be Gettysburg II. But it may do the job.
The Dems chose someone with no specific negatives, just some generalised ones that would shape up against Trump’s considerable tally in that department. They learned something from 2016, it seems.
Indeed. Xinhua News jubilant. For those who are rejoicing that Trump has gone, it must be gratifying to know that the leadership of a brutal, genocidal super-power is on your side!
Completely meaningless gesture. Had they done it while they were still in office, on the other hand.
Well, it sounds like I'm in a minority, but I thought Biden's speech was absolutely splendid; not sure what more he could have said. Just the right tone, and enough substance to set an agenda for the future. And Kamala is just fab - she just looks so excited about her new job, which is refreshing.
I remain baffled by the extent of the God thing, however, in the USA. Doesn't sit easily for me with being 'the most advanced nation on earth'.
Indeed. Xinhua News jubilant. For those who are rejoicing that Trump has gone, it must be gratifying to know that the leadership of a brutal, genocidal super-power is on your side!
Completely meaningless gesture. Had they done it while they were still in office, on the other hand.
It's a too clever by half attempt to play on divisions in the US.
Indeed. Xinhua News jubilant. For those who are rejoicing that Trump has gone, it must be gratifying to know that the leadership of a brutal, genocidal super-power is on your side!
Isn't it wierd that Donald was a far more interesting speaker yet most of what he said was a gibberish random selection of words.
It's very hard to pull off - his energy and confidence being what they were he was a fascinating figure. The Trump children just don't cut the mustard, there's something just too self conscious about Donny junior for instance, like he's doing an act where his dad actually is that way.
He is not a natural orator but I have never seen anyone work a crowd like he does. It’s symbiotic. He throws out some riffs and some come back multiplied 100 times. And then he builds on that dropping the rest. It’s more like stand up than a speech but in a world of sound bites it really works.
Trump is a decent speechmaker. Not in the Obama class, but he knows how to work an audience.
Well, it sounds like I'm in a minority, but I thought Biden's speech was absolutely splendid; not sure what more he could have said. Just the right tone, and enough substance to set an agenda for the future. And Kamala is just fab - she just looks so excited about her new job, which is refreshing.
I remain baffled by the extent of the God thing, however, in the USA. Doesn't sit easily for me with being 'the most advanced nation on earth'.
Most religious nations think they are the best on earth. Us atheists and agnostics are more likely to think, we are pretty good, but what about that lot over there?
Well, it sounds like I'm in a minority, but I thought Biden's speech was absolutely splendid; not sure what more he could have said. Just the right tone, and enough substance to set an agenda for the future. And Kamala is just fab - she just looks so excited about her new job, which is refreshing.
I remain baffled by the extent of the God thing, however, in the USA. Doesn't sit easily for me with being 'the most advanced nation on earth'.
Also because of the notional separation of church and state.
Mind, there is the whisker-beyond-late-mediaeval Henrician settlement in England. Imagine Mr Trump appointing the Bishops of Washington DC, San Francisco ...
Since this IS a betting website, what are the odds that the British government will NOT allow Trumpsky to enter the UK?
You'll need to define the 'UK' bit for a start to avoid arguments. Also 'British government' - does the Scottish gmt count, if it doesn't let him into the airport or out of it? And 'entry'.
Well, it sounds like I'm in a minority, but I thought Biden's speech was absolutely splendid; not sure what more he could have said. Just the right tone, and enough substance to set an agenda for the future. And Kamala is just fab - she just looks so excited about her new job, which is refreshing.
I remain baffled by the extent of the God thing, however, in the USA. Doesn't sit easily for me with being 'the most advanced nation on earth'.
Go there and look at the state of the place, and you wouldn’t be suggesting they are the most advanced, except in regards of having perfected the art of getting so many citizens to work more hours than elsewhere in the west for modest pay in order to syphon off just enough federal revenue to support a very powerful military.
Indeed. Xinhua News jubilant. For those who are rejoicing that Trump has gone, it must be gratifying to know that the leadership of a brutal, genocidal super-power is on your side!
1. Do you think America withdrawing from the TPP helped constrain China, or emboldened it? 2. Do you think America unilaterally dropping all its punitive tariffs on China helped constrain China, or emboldened it?
Well, it sounds like I'm in a minority, but I thought Biden's speech was absolutely splendid; not sure what more he could have said. Just the right tone, and enough substance to set an agenda for the future. And Kamala is just fab - she just looks so excited about her new job, which is refreshing.
I remain baffled by the extent of the God thing, however, in the USA. Doesn't sit easily for me with being 'the most advanced nation on earth'.
Have a listen to the speech Biden delivered at the 2016 DNC - it was the best one given that year, including Obama's. If he'd been the candidate last time around, Trump would probably have never had a first term.
BTW I owe you thanks for putting me onto that book on the aero engine race. Duly acquired for Xmas, looks very good. Beside bed now (for when the current book on wartime Standard Ships is finished).
Made a pleasant change from Amazon Prime scams. At first I thought it was an polling firm, on the other end of the line. Range of questions on rating the handling of the pandemic, the Labour leadership, past voting intention, with a final reference to local elections. Was staggered when my wife told me who she had talking to.
Made a pleasant change from Amazon Prime scams. At first I thought it was an polling firm, on the other end of the line. Range of questions on rating the handling of the pandemic, the Labour leadership, past voting intention, with a final reference to local elections. Was staggered when my wife told me who she had talking to.
What's the latest on the locals? Are they going ahead?
Made a pleasant change from Amazon Prime scams. At first I thought it was an polling firm, on the other end of the line. Range of questions on rating the handling of the pandemic, the Labour leadership, past voting intention, with a final reference to local elections. Was staggered when my wife told me who she had talking to.
What's the latest on the locals? Are they going ahead?
Yes, but under review, so that probably = cancellation in a month (before candidaters are registered)
Made a pleasant change from Amazon Prime scams. At first I thought it was an polling firm, on the other end of the line. Range of questions on rating the handling of the pandemic, the Labour leadership, past voting intention, with a final reference to local elections. Was staggered when my wife told me who she had talking to.
What's the latest on the locals? Are they going ahead?
Yes, but under review, so that probably = cancellation in a month (before candidaters are registered)
Made a pleasant change from Amazon Prime scams. At first I thought it was an polling firm, on the other end of the line. Range of questions on rating the handling of the pandemic, the Labour leadership, past voting intention, with a final reference to local elections. Was staggered when my wife told me who she had talking to.
What's the latest on the locals? Are they going ahead?
Yes, but under review, so that probably = cancellation in a month (before candidaters are registered)
Fuck. This is not good.
I stress that is my interpretation of their statement of them being under review, given how many people want them delayed and how many others do not care if they are. The official word is is review, but they really want them to go ahead.
He was getting a bit lost towards the end there. A few stumbles and a rambling conclusion.
Also, of course, the oldest ever president as of this moment, a year older than Reagan.
Lets face it, the speech was awful.
That's what the pundits said at the time about the Gettysburg Address.
There was an interesting article a few months back, which I can't lay my hands right now, on from a journalist who attended a primary hustings somewhere in the Boondocks. Biden gave this excruciatingly bad speech. An old man, rambling, who totally lost his audience. He compared him sadly now with the sharp streetfighter politician that Biden had been and completely wrote him off as a viable presidential candidate.
Then he realised a few months later that Biden was still there, not only having survived the Democrat primary, but was on course to turf out the incumbent. He was still making these rambling speeches but they were part of Biden's offer for the presidency. He's consistent, he seems to believe his own message and they are the right words for the right time.
So, I don't think this will be Gettysburg II. But it may do the job.
The Dems chose someone with no specific negatives, just some generalised ones that would shape up against Trump’s considerable tally in that department. They learned something from 2016, it seems.
I think Biden could be better than just the "Not Trump" president. He seems to me to have a very clear vision of where he wants America to go politically, combined with a wiliness and sense of purpose that might deliver on that vision.
We'll see. But I have some hope that Biden might be a good, maybe even great, president.
Made a pleasant change from Amazon Prime scams. At first I thought it was an polling firm, on the other end of the line. Range of questions on rating the handling of the pandemic, the Labour leadership, past voting intention, with a final reference to local elections. Was staggered when my wife told me who she had talking to.
What's the latest on the locals? Are they going ahead?
The Mail seems to think so, but I haven't seen anything to refute it yet.
Made a pleasant change from Amazon Prime scams. At first I thought it was an polling firm, on the other end of the line. Range of questions on rating the handling of the pandemic, the Labour leadership, past voting intention, with a final reference to local elections. Was staggered when my wife told me who she had talking to.
What's the latest on the locals? Are they going ahead?
Yes, but under review, so that probably = cancellation in a month (before candidaters are registered)
Fuck. This is not good.
I stress that is my interpretation of their statement of them being under review, given how many people want them delayed and how many others do not care if they are. The official word is is review, but they really want them to go ahead.
Papers today suggested May 6th is a goer. I will be most surprised, but very pleased, if that is the case:
He was getting a bit lost towards the end there. A few stumbles and a rambling conclusion.
Also, of course, the oldest ever president as of this moment, a year older than Reagan.
Lets face it, the speech was awful.
That's what the pundits said at the time about the Gettysburg Address.
There was an interesting article a few months back, which I can't lay my hands right now, on from a journalist who attended a primary hustings somewhere in the Boondocks. Biden gave this excruciatingly bad speech. An old man, rambling, who totally lost his audience. He compared him sadly now with the sharp streetfighter politician that Biden had been and completely wrote him off as a viable presidential candidate.
Then he realised a few months later that Biden was still there, not only having survived the Democrat primary, but was on course to turf out the incumbent. He was still making these rambling speeches but they were part of Biden's offer for the presidency. He's consistent, he seems to believe his own message and they are the right words for the right time.
So, I don't think this will be Gettysburg II. But it may do the job.
The Dems chose someone with no specific negatives, just some generalised ones that would shape up against Trump’s considerable tally in that department. They learned something from 2016, it seems.
I think Biden could be better than just the "Not Trump" president. He seems to me to have a very clear vision of where he wants America to go politically, combined with a wiliness and sense of purpose that might deliver on that vision.
We'll see. But I have some hope that Biden might be a good, maybe even great, president.
He knows how things work inside and outside Congress, and he knows a lot of people think he won't last the whole term let alone have a second, and he knows margins are tight in Senate and House - hopefully he wants to move as quickly as he can to get concrete achievements on the table.
Made a pleasant change from Amazon Prime scams. At first I thought it was an polling firm, on the other end of the line. Range of questions on rating the handling of the pandemic, the Labour leadership, past voting intention, with a final reference to local elections. Was staggered when my wife told me who she had talking to.
What's the latest on the locals? Are they going ahead?
Yes, but under review, so that probably = cancellation in a month (before candidaters are registered)
Fuck. This is not good.
I stress that is my interpretation of their statement of them being under review, given how many people want them delayed and how many others do not care if they are. The official word is is review, but they really want them to go ahead.
Such talk on THIS day is even more offensive than your usual low standard. You should be ashamed of yourself.
I'll stop now. I don't want the loons to kill him. But as there's a swathe of plots out there which they've had to investigate its hardly offensive to point that out.
"Trump is the real President behind the scenes". I have no idea how you glue your country back together.
Hopes that Britain's great Covid vaccine rollout is still on track were raised today as official data revealed the UK dished out 346,000 jabs yesterday following fears the NHS drive may have stalled.
Since this IS a betting website, what are the odds that the British government will NOT allow Trumpsky to enter the UK?
You'll need to define the 'UK' bit for a start to avoid arguments. Also 'British government' - does the Scottish gmt count, if it doesn't let him into the airport or out of it? And 'entry'.
No I don't, since EVERYBODY on here knows exactly what I mean. Including you!
He was getting a bit lost towards the end there. A few stumbles and a rambling conclusion.
Also, of course, the oldest ever president as of this moment, a year older than Reagan.
Lets face it, the speech was awful.
That's what the pundits said at the time about the Gettysburg Address.
There was an interesting article a few months back, which I can't lay my hands right now, on from a journalist who attended a primary hustings somewhere in the Boondocks. Biden gave this excruciatingly bad speech. An old man, rambling, who totally lost his audience. He compared him sadly now with the sharp streetfighter politician that Biden had been and completely wrote him off as a viable presidential candidate.
Then he realised a few months later that Biden was still there, not only having survived the Democrat primary, but was on course to turf out the incumbent. He was still making these rambling speeches but they were part of Biden's offer for the presidency. He's consistent, he seems to believe his own message and they are the right words for the right time.
So, I don't think this will be Gettysburg II. But it may do the job.
The Dems chose someone with no specific negatives, just some generalised ones that would shape up against Trump’s considerable tally in that department. They learned something from 2016, it seems.
I think Biden could be better than just the "Not Trump" president. He seems to me to have a very clear vision of where he wants America to go politically, combined with a wiliness and sense of purpose that might deliver on that vision.
We'll see. But I have some hope that Biden might be a good, maybe even great, president.
He has potential to be great in a Reagan sense, in that he focuses on doing the moody and appoints some capable people to do the real work.
BTW I owe you thanks for putting me onto that book on the aero engine race. Duly acquired for Xmas, looks very good. Beside bed now (for when the current book on wartime Standard Ships is finished).
I gather that book as gone into a third reprint. It is very good, though I wish my understanding of some of the physics was better. Callum Douglas has stated on his twitter feed that he has put up enlarged versions of some diagrams on his website.
Re phone call, sounded as if the call was meant for my wife. Had seen something earlier about door to door canvassing being a non starter, but hadn't expected MP to do a canvassing call herself.
Well, it sounds like I'm in a minority, but I thought Biden's speech was absolutely splendid; not sure what more he could have said. Just the right tone, and enough substance to set an agenda for the future. And Kamala is just fab - she just looks so excited about her new job, which is refreshing.
I remain baffled by the extent of the God thing, however, in the USA. Doesn't sit easily for me with being 'the most advanced nation on earth'.
Go there and look at the state of the place, and you wouldn’t be suggesting they are the most advanced, except in regards of having perfected the art of getting so many citizens to work more hours than elsewhere in the west for modest pay in order to syphon off just enough federal revenue to support a very powerful military.
I wasn't claiming it was the most advanced nation on earth - it's what they claim. That's why I put it in quotes. I certainly don't think it is, and I raised the God thing to illustrate this. I'd also agree that the gross inequalities evident in a nation of such wealth pushes it a long way down on any league table of greatness.
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‘First speech is an optimistic call for national unity.’
My own guess is that it increases the probability.
Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran?
The BBC could not broadcast it direct from the Commons so Churchill repeated it for the wireless later that evening, reading it with a cigar clamped in his mouth.
And if you believe that you will believe anything
Trumpsky is NOT an atheist. He is a devil worshiper, his god is Lord of the Flies.
https://www.prweekawards.com/finalists/beano-vs-jacob-rees-mogg/
https://twitter.com/BreakingIEN/status/1351945688482017283
Fucking hell.
On the former, because Nasser nationalised British assets and on the latter within the purview of WWII because Reza Shah was considered friendly to Nazi Germany.
Nutters.
You can read his argument here - I was surprised myself: http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/victorians/zulu_01.shtml
I think a lot will depend on how long it takes for the trial to proceed and what Trump/Bannon try to do. If there is any sign that they are serious about starting a spoiler party before the Senate votes, then we'd be looking at all or nearly all the GOP senators piling on.
Believing yourself to be god disqualifies you as an atheist, in any case.
Then he realised a few months later that Biden was still there, not only having survived the Democrat primary, but was on course to turf out the incumbent. He was still making these rambling speeches but they were part of Biden's offer for the presidency. He's consistent, he seems to believe his own message and they are the right words for the right time.
So, I don't think this will be Gettysburg II. But it may do the job.
Still a good line though.
20 PRINT "anger" <---- YOU ARE HERE
25 GOTO 10
30 PRINT "bargaining"
40 PRINT "depression"
50 PRINT "acceptance"
I remain baffled by the extent of the God thing, however, in the USA. Doesn't sit easily for me with being 'the most advanced nation on earth'.
Grr.
Which makes him dangerous.
Mind, there is the whisker-beyond-late-mediaeval Henrician settlement in England. Imagine Mr Trump appointing the Bishops of Washington DC, San Francisco ...
2. Do you think America unilaterally dropping all its punitive tariffs on China helped constrain China, or emboldened it?
BTW I owe you thanks for putting me onto that book on the aero engine race. Duly acquired for Xmas, looks very good. Beside bed now (for when the current book on wartime Standard Ships is finished).
We'll see. But I have some hope that Biden might be a good, maybe even great, president.
https://inews.co.uk/news/world/covid-vaccine-israel-vaccination-roll-out-transmissibility-programme-palestine-834999?ITO=msn
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9168471/Boris-Johnson-decides-local-elections-ahead-planned-6.html
Such talk on THIS day is even more offensive than your usual low standard. You should be ashamed of yourself.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/01/20/exc-english-local-elections-set-go-ahead-without-delay-may-6/
Those YouTube videos of Trumpers going onto the no-fly list clearly did the trick.
"Trump is the real President behind the scenes". I have no idea how you glue your country back together.
Hopes that Britain's great Covid vaccine rollout is still on track were raised today as official data revealed the UK dished out 346,000 jabs yesterday following fears the NHS drive may have stalled.
It's possible -- but not certain -- he could lose that if he's convicted in the upcoming Senate impeachment trial.
Re phone call, sounded as if the call was meant for my wife. Had seen something earlier about door to door canvassing being a non starter, but hadn't expected MP to do a canvassing call herself.