Why ambitious Republicans might back impeach Trump moves – politicalbetting.com
With rallies and demonstrations, like the one in New York above, taking place in many US cities to demand that the president be impeached there are increasing reports that an attempt might be made during Trump’s final 12 days.
It may well be appealing for GOP Senators that Trump should be impeached and convicted so he cannot hold public office again.
They just want someone else to vote for it, as they cannot afford to annoy Trump's support in the GOP base if they want to be serious contenders for the GOP nomination in 2024
I cannot say I agree that it is 'hard to see no action being taken against the President'. I can see it, I just hope it is very unlikely.
It would be great if he could be prevented from holding office again, I just worry that as time goes on more of those so inclined will tell themselves it is not worth it, or was it really as bad as they thought in the initial aftermath, that legal cases will sort it all out.
CNN: House Democrats are currently planning to introduce articles of impeachment against President Trump as soon as Monday, according to multiple sources familiar with the matter.
That could set up a vote in the House early to the middle of next week. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi has not explicitly said when this will go to the floor.
Derrick Evans, a West Virginia state legislator who recorded himself storming the Capitol on Wednesday, faces criminal charges, US officials said.
Evans has been charged in a criminal complaint with entering restricted area and entering the US Capitol, said Ken Kohl, a top official in the US attorney’s office for Washington, DC.
I know it is the Villa kids and a strong Liverpool team but Liverpool have been a bit poor recently.
Poor value, imo.
Btw, the much touted tip on here that Trump wouldn't attend Biden's inauguration appears to have come in. Nobody has claimed the credit for it yet. I wondered whether you might like to do so as you receive so little acknowledgement of your many splendid suggestions, and never complain.
I cannot say I agree that it is 'hard to see no action being taken against the President'. I can see it, I just hope it is very unlikely.
It would be great if he could be prevented from holding office again, I just worry that as time goes on more of those so inclined will tell themselves it is not worth it, or was it really as bad as they thought in the initial aftermath, that legal cases will sort it all out.
He needs crushing so hard that nobody is ever remotely tempted to try to emulate him. We need a ww2 result, not a Treaty of Versailles.
Derrick Evans, a West Virginia state legislator who recorded himself storming the Capitol on Wednesday, faces criminal charges, US officials said.
Evans has been charged in a criminal complaint with entering restricted area and entering the US Capitol, said Ken Kohl, a top official in the US attorney’s office for Washington, DC.
I just cannot understand anyone who is stupid enough to record themselves committing a criminal offence.
I'd say impeachment is a 100% certainty, conviction by two thirds in the Senate unlikely.
Turds like Graham say convicting Trump won't allow the nation to heal.
There's no healing from an insurrection, you have to defeat it and give it nowhere to hide.
I noticed on Twitter earlier some people pointing some Confederates ultimately went onto work for the US Government (including the cabinet) after the end of the Civil War.
Comparing yourself to racist, slave owning secessionists probably isn't the best look.
I'd say impeachment is a 100% certainty, conviction by two thirds in the Senate unlikely.
Turds like Graham say convicting Trump won't allow the nation to heal.
They've tried the softly softly approach with the white supremacists since 1877 and it hasn't worked yet. Id recommend a bit more stick.
9 of the 11 states of the Old Confederacy voted for Trump even last year when he lost the US as a whole, the divisions of the civil war still linger even today
Derrick Evans, a West Virginia state legislator who recorded himself storming the Capitol on Wednesday, faces criminal charges, US officials said.
Evans has been charged in a criminal complaint with entering restricted area and entering the US Capitol, said Ken Kohl, a top official in the US attorney’s office for Washington, DC.
I just cannot understand anyone who is stupid enough to record themselves committing a criminal offence.
I mean, just - why?
I blame the schooling. I hope by the time you are done with them your students are not so dumb as to do such a thing when they inevitably commit crimes.
Derrick Evans, a West Virginia state legislator who recorded himself storming the Capitol on Wednesday, faces criminal charges, US officials said.
Evans has been charged in a criminal complaint with entering restricted area and entering the US Capitol, said Ken Kohl, a top official in the US attorney’s office for Washington, DC.
I just cannot understand anyone who is stupid enough to record themselves committing a criminal offence.
I mean, just - why?
They genuinely thought they'd be fêted for stopping the stealing of the election.
Derrick Evans, a West Virginia state legislator who recorded himself storming the Capitol on Wednesday, faces criminal charges, US officials said.
Evans has been charged in a criminal complaint with entering restricted area and entering the US Capitol, said Ken Kohl, a top official in the US attorney’s office for Washington, DC.
I just cannot understand anyone who is stupid enough to record themselves committing a criminal offence.
Derrick Evans, a West Virginia state legislator who recorded himself storming the Capitol on Wednesday, faces criminal charges, US officials said.
Evans has been charged in a criminal complaint with entering restricted area and entering the US Capitol, said Ken Kohl, a top official in the US attorney’s office for Washington, DC.
I just cannot understand anyone who is stupid enough to record themselves committing a criminal offence.
I mean, just - why?
I blame the schooling. I hope by the time you are done with them your students are not so dumb as to do such a thing when they inevitably commit crimes.
I’ve had to explain, slowly and distinctly and in words of one syllable, that you don’t joke to a police officer about carrying knives to kill people with.
Or at least, if you do you shouldn’t be surprised if you’re arrested.
Since then every lesson on law and order starts with, ‘never, ever get funny win the police.’
I cannot say I agree that it is 'hard to see no action being taken against the President'. I can see it, I just hope it is very unlikely.
It would be great if he could be prevented from holding office again, I just worry that as time goes on more of those so inclined will tell themselves it is not worth it, or was it really as bad as they thought in the initial aftermath, that legal cases will sort it all out.
He needs crushing so hard that nobody is ever remotely tempted to try to emulate him. We need a ww2 result, not a Treaty of Versailles.
Derrick Evans, a West Virginia state legislator who recorded himself storming the Capitol on Wednesday, faces criminal charges, US officials said.
Evans has been charged in a criminal complaint with entering restricted area and entering the US Capitol, said Ken Kohl, a top official in the US attorney’s office for Washington, DC.
I just cannot understand anyone who is stupid enough to record themselves committing a criminal offence.
I mean, just - why?
They were completely convinced they were going to take over the government and there was no sense of a criminal offence being committed once they were in charge. Blue Lives Matter meant the police were on their side, and the Commander In Chief would ensure the military did not interfere.
They were, on this occasion, more wrong than right. But just because it was a poorly orchestrated shitshow didn't make it any less intentional or conceptually dangerous.
These people are always 'You work for us' types, who simultaneously don't think anyone who does not share their view deserves to have an official work for them, or even both. Not that Graham isn't a slimeball.
Derrick Evans, a West Virginia state legislator who recorded himself storming the Capitol on Wednesday, faces criminal charges, US officials said.
Evans has been charged in a criminal complaint with entering restricted area and entering the US Capitol, said Ken Kohl, a top official in the US attorney’s office for Washington, DC.
I just cannot understand anyone who is stupid enough to record themselves committing a criminal offence.
I mean, just - why?
They thought they were going to win.
They were not anywhere near Washington (the person, not the place).
If they resembled anyone it was that idiot Antonio Tejero.
Derrick Evans, a West Virginia state legislator who recorded himself storming the Capitol on Wednesday, faces criminal charges, US officials said.
Evans has been charged in a criminal complaint with entering restricted area and entering the US Capitol, said Ken Kohl, a top official in the US attorney’s office for Washington, DC.
I just cannot understand anyone who is stupid enough to record themselves committing a criminal offence.
I mean, just - why?
Mass hysteria? Trump convinced them they were on the side of the angels, saving American democracy rather than launching a coup. That's why I'd favour pardoning the lot of them. What will probably happen is a bunch of idiots will be imprisoned and Trump will be pardoned.
Derrick Evans, a West Virginia state legislator who recorded himself storming the Capitol on Wednesday, faces criminal charges, US officials said.
Evans has been charged in a criminal complaint with entering restricted area and entering the US Capitol, said Ken Kohl, a top official in the US attorney’s office for Washington, DC.
I just cannot understand anyone who is stupid enough to record themselves committing a criminal offence.
I mean, just - why?
Remember these are people who think 306 EVs is fewer than 232 EVs.
Derrick Evans, a West Virginia state legislator who recorded himself storming the Capitol on Wednesday, faces criminal charges, US officials said.
Evans has been charged in a criminal complaint with entering restricted area and entering the US Capitol, said Ken Kohl, a top official in the US attorney’s office for Washington, DC.
I just cannot understand anyone who is stupid enough to record themselves committing a criminal offence.
I mean, just - why?
If there had been cameras people would have taken selfies at the storming of the bastille.
As it was, people apparently just slowed down sufficiently for people to paint portraits of the events, which must have been odd for the defenders.
Derrick Evans, a West Virginia state legislator who recorded himself storming the Capitol on Wednesday, faces criminal charges, US officials said.
Evans has been charged in a criminal complaint with entering restricted area and entering the US Capitol, said Ken Kohl, a top official in the US attorney’s office for Washington, DC.
I just cannot understand anyone who is stupid enough to record themselves committing a criminal offence.
I mean, just - why?
They genuinely thought they'd be fêted for stopping the stealing of the election.
Yes, exactly. People don't seem to appreciate the level of polarisation in America. Both sides think they are morally superior to the other.
IT used to be just the lefties that did that. They loftily sniffed at the Republican right as poor white trash, "flyover people", racist rednecks, and so on, meanwhile the right shrugged, hugged their guns, got on with their lives, generally ignored Washington (and often won elections anyway).
Now the right snarls at the left, just as viciously: to them the modern American left is traitorous, weird, cranky, effete, and actively trying to destroy freedom (and maybe succeeding).
When both sides claim complete moral superiority, and do it with anger, you have a recipe for something very nasty. And that is, also, why these people were happy to be recorded, or take selfies. They are not called the Proud Boys for nothing.
Derrick Evans, a West Virginia state legislator who recorded himself storming the Capitol on Wednesday, faces criminal charges, US officials said.
Evans has been charged in a criminal complaint with entering restricted area and entering the US Capitol, said Ken Kohl, a top official in the US attorney’s office for Washington, DC.
I just cannot understand anyone who is stupid enough to record themselves committing a criminal offence.
I mean, just - why?
They genuinely thought they'd be fêted for stopping the stealing of the election.
If it was here they'd probably still be unsuspecting of the trouble they were in upon hearing they would soon be serving at Her Majesty's pleasure. A monarch's pleasure sounds great, sign me up!
Derrick Evans, a West Virginia state legislator who recorded himself storming the Capitol on Wednesday, faces criminal charges, US officials said.
Evans has been charged in a criminal complaint with entering restricted area and entering the US Capitol, said Ken Kohl, a top official in the US attorney’s office for Washington, DC.
I just cannot understand anyone who is stupid enough to record themselves committing a criminal offence.
I mean, just - why?
They genuinely thought they'd be fêted for stopping the stealing of the election.
If it was here they'd probably still be unsuspecting of the trouble they were in upon hearing they would soon be serving at Her Majesty's pleasure. A monarch's pleasure sounds great, sign me up!
The Monarch that raised that degenerate Prince Randy Andy? Or the fornicator and adulterer Prince Charles?
Derrick Evans, a West Virginia state legislator who recorded himself storming the Capitol on Wednesday, faces criminal charges, US officials said.
Evans has been charged in a criminal complaint with entering restricted area and entering the US Capitol, said Ken Kohl, a top official in the US attorney’s office for Washington, DC.
I just cannot understand anyone who is stupid enough to record themselves committing a criminal offence.
I mean, just - why?
It's social media, innit. There was no way they'd let the most significant event of their lives pass without all the photos being shared with the world.
Derrick Evans, a West Virginia state legislator who recorded himself storming the Capitol on Wednesday, faces criminal charges, US officials said.
Evans has been charged in a criminal complaint with entering restricted area and entering the US Capitol, said Ken Kohl, a top official in the US attorney’s office for Washington, DC.
I just cannot understand anyone who is stupid enough to record themselves committing a criminal offence.
I mean, just - why?
They genuinely thought they'd be fêted for stopping the stealing of the election.
If it was here they'd probably still be unsuspecting of the trouble they were in upon hearing they would soon be serving at Her Majesty's pleasure. A monarch's pleasure sounds great, sign me up!
The Monarch that raised that degenerate Prince Randy Andy? Or the fornicator and adulterer Prince Charles?
Derrick Evans, a West Virginia state legislator who recorded himself storming the Capitol on Wednesday, faces criminal charges, US officials said.
Evans has been charged in a criminal complaint with entering restricted area and entering the US Capitol, said Ken Kohl, a top official in the US attorney’s office for Washington, DC.
I just cannot understand anyone who is stupid enough to record themselves committing a criminal offence.
I mean, just - why?
They genuinely thought they'd be fêted for stopping the stealing of the election.
The scary thing about America at the moment is that they are probably right as far as a very large minority of their fellow countrymen are concerned. There are millions of Americans who will see anyone who goes to jail for this as a martyr or a political prisoner.
But if proceedings for impeachment are started against Trump can they continue even after he has stopped officially being President? I am minded that all former Presidents are still referred to as President even after they are out of office.
My main question is whether they can carry on with the aim of preventing him standing again?
Salmond's aim is to provide enough evidence to the inquiry to damage Sturgeon so she fails to win a majority at Holyrood, then, after she is fatally wounded, he will make his move and topple her.
One of my sons went for a walk over xmas with 1 person - he now has covid
He lives alone and he doesn't seem too bad so that's something
Anecdata - but the B117 has been identified in Guernsey in an arrival who was quarantining with his family. He infected the rest of them.
I know someone who had Covid who did not infect anyone family members (and all were tested weekly so it is not a case of asymptomatic spread). It still is not clear just how and where this virus spreads.
It may well be appealing for GOP Senators that Trump should be impeached and convicted so he cannot hold public office again.
They just want someone else to vote for it, as they cannot afford to annoy Trump's support in the GOP base if they want to be serious contenders for the GOP nomination in 2024
One of my sons went for a walk over xmas with 1 person - he now has covid
He lives alone and he doesn't seem too bad so that's something
Anecdata - but the B117 has been identified in Guernsey in an arrival who was quarantining with his family. He infected the rest of them.
I know someone who had Covid who did not infect anyone family members (and all were tested weekly so it is not a case of asymptomatic spread). It still is not clear just how and where this virus spreads.
How long ago? The Guernsey CMO implied that the infection of a whole household from a single patient was uncommon.
These people are always 'You work for us' types, who simultaneously don't think anyone who does not share their view deserves to have an official work for them, or even both. Not that Graham isn't a slimeball.
That's nowhere near as bad as the videos of the BLM supporters haranguing Democratic politicians who failed to bend to their will.
One of my sons went for a walk over xmas with 1 person - he now has covid
He lives alone and he doesn't seem too bad so that's something
Anecdata - but the B117 has been identified in Guernsey in an arrival who was quarantining with his family. He infected the rest of them.
I know someone who had Covid who did not infect anyone family members (and all were tested weekly so it is not a case of asymptomatic spread). It still is not clear just how and where this virus spreads.
How long ago? The Guernsey CMO implied that the infection of a whole household from a single patient was uncommon.
Autumn. I hope the boffins are working on the question, are "superspreaders" people or behaviours or events?
I'm not aware of how impeachment works once a President leaves office - only 8 GOP Senators opposed the calling of the results but whether a third of the caucus would break ranks to back impeachment seems debatable.
There's a stronger argument for letting the clock run out on Trump and looking at his "indiscretions" (real or imagined) once he is out of the Oval Office.
Biden continues to impress by contrast.
If you want to read a revolution consuming itself, here's a good meal for you:
Basically, it's the GOP's fault. Well, that's the view of the ultra-loyalist and not the first time it's been the fault of the Party or the people. The question is whether these ultra-loyalist Trump supporters will continue to fight foe the soul of the GOP or whether they'll consider it beyond repair and head to other places - the Patriot Party or new similar movement.
We have the small matter of the 2022 elections - not the autumn contests but the primaries for those GOP congress seats and Senate seats up for election. Will we see challengers to both pro and anti-Trump GOP representatives? Given the variety of primary rules (registered GOP voters only or any voters), we could see some interesting contests.
Salmond's aim is to provide enough evidence to the inquiry to damage Sturgeon so she fails to win a majority at Holyrood, then, after she is fatally wounded, he will make his move and topple her.
This is phase 1 in Salmond's revenge
There is a weird disconnect between the SNP's sky high poll ratings and the party's inner turmoil. Surely Sturgeon ought to be untouchable even if it were proved?
Salmond's aim is to provide enough evidence to the inquiry to damage Sturgeon so she fails to win a majority at Holyrood, then, after she is fatally wounded, he will make his move and topple her.
This is phase 1 in Salmond's revenge
There is a weird disconnect between the SNP's sky high poll ratings and the party's inner turmoil. Surely Sturgeon ought to be untouchable even if it were proved?
One of my sons went for a walk over xmas with 1 person - he now has covid
He lives alone and he doesn't seem too bad so that's something
Anecdata - but the B117 has been identified in Guernsey in an arrival who was quarantining with his family. He infected the rest of them.
I know someone who had Covid who did not infect anyone family members (and all were tested weekly so it is not a case of asymptomatic spread). It still is not clear just how and where this virus spreads.
It's very clear how it spreads, it's just that there's a massive amount of randomness involved.
He seems very firm that Trump incited what happened, so I would hope his 'consideration' of any articles would be brief, then in favour, though I suppose someone could draft it very badly.
Derrick Evans, a West Virginia state legislator who recorded himself storming the Capitol on Wednesday, faces criminal charges, US officials said.
Evans has been charged in a criminal complaint with entering restricted area and entering the US Capitol, said Ken Kohl, a top official in the US attorney’s office for Washington, DC.
I just cannot understand anyone who is stupid enough to record themselves committing a criminal offence.
I mean, just - why?
Remember these are people who think 306 EVs is fewer than 232 EVs.
We can't be too superior as people over here have been arguing that 48%>52% for the last four years.
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Turds like Graham say convicting Trump won't allow the nation to heal.
They just want someone else to vote for it, as they cannot afford to annoy Trump's support in the GOP base if they want to be serious contenders for the GOP nomination in 2024
It would be great if he could be prevented from holding office again, I just worry that as time goes on more of those so inclined will tell themselves it is not worth it, or was it really as bad as they thought in the initial aftermath, that legal cases will sort it all out.
Amazing stat from the Guardian MBM from Peter Oh.
“James Milner is old enough - and perhaps versatile and hard-working enough - to be the entire Villa team’s dad. It’s men against boys out there!”
That could set up a vote in the House early to the middle of next week. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi has not explicitly said when this will go to the floor.
Evans has been charged in a criminal complaint with entering restricted area and entering the US Capitol, said Ken Kohl, a top official in the US attorney’s office for Washington, DC.
St Helena, not Elba.
I mean, just - why?
Comparing yourself to racist, slave owning secessionists probably isn't the best look.
https://twitter.com/dlippman/status/1347612365093826565
Or at least, if you do you shouldn’t be surprised if you’re arrested.
Since then every lesson on law and order starts with, ‘never, ever get funny win the police.’
They were, on this occasion, more wrong than right. But just because it was a poorly orchestrated shitshow didn't make it any less intentional or conceptually dangerous.
If they resembled anyone it was that idiot Antonio Tejero.
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1347636815394705409?s=20
As it was, people apparently just slowed down sufficiently for people to paint portraits of the events, which must have been odd for the defenders.
IT used to be just the lefties that did that. They loftily sniffed at the Republican right as poor white trash, "flyover people", racist rednecks, and so on, meanwhile the right shrugged, hugged their guns, got on with their lives, generally ignored Washington (and often won elections anyway).
Now the right snarls at the left, just as viciously: to them the modern American left is traitorous, weird, cranky, effete, and actively trying to destroy freedom (and maybe succeeding).
When both sides claim complete moral superiority, and do it with anger, you have a recipe for something very nasty. And that is, also, why these people were happy to be recorded, or take selfies. They are not called the Proud Boys for nothing.
https://twitter.com/IanMurrayMP/status/1347631161208659969?s=20
I'm not sure pleasure is what you'd experience.
AFTER YESTERDAYS EVENTS MEXICO HAVE SAID THEY WILL PAY FOR A WALL AND CANADA WANTS ONE TOO........
What a horrible week. Perhaps the worst week of my adult life, in terms of global politics and current affairs.
China crushes Hong Kong. America suffers a quasi-coup. Britain teeters on the edge of national disaster.
https://twitter.com/liamstack/status/1347625488785797121?s=20
America is, I fear, fecked.
He lives alone and he doesn't seem too bad so that's something
But if proceedings for impeachment are started against Trump can they continue even after he has stopped officially being President? I am minded that all former Presidents are still referred to as President even after they are out of office.
My main question is whether they can carry on with the aim of preventing him standing again?
Basically US looks close to going with a delayed second dose.
This is phase 1 in Salmond's revenge
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9127307/Marcus-Rashford-Heston-Blumenthal-Geri-Horner-star-BBCs-lockdown-learning.html
2nd round 49.5%
Ahahahahaha
Though it doesn't feel right me being older than a US Senator.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-55588750
Rob's mate finally got a top job.
Oh wait.
I'm not aware of how impeachment works once a President leaves office - only 8 GOP Senators opposed the calling of the results but whether a third of the caucus would break ranks to back impeachment seems debatable.
There's a stronger argument for letting the clock run out on Trump and looking at his "indiscretions" (real or imagined) once he is out of the Oval Office.
Biden continues to impress by contrast.
If you want to read a revolution consuming itself, here's a good meal for you:
https://amgreatness.com/2021/01/07/the-end/
Basically, it's the GOP's fault. Well, that's the view of the ultra-loyalist and not the first time it's been the fault of the Party or the people. The question is whether these ultra-loyalist Trump supporters will continue to fight foe the soul of the GOP or whether they'll consider it beyond repair and head to other places - the Patriot Party or new similar movement.
We have the small matter of the 2022 elections - not the autumn contests but the primaries for those GOP congress seats and Senate seats up for election. Will we see challengers to both pro and anti-Trump GOP representatives? Given the variety of primary rules (registered GOP voters only or any voters), we could see some interesting contests.
It is Attorneys General.