But if proceedings for impeachment are started against Trump can they continue even after he has stopped officially being President? I am minded that all former Presidents are still referred to as President even after they are out of office.
My main question is whether they can carry on with the aim of preventing him standing again?
Nobody knows, as the question has never arisen.
I would have said the likeliest answer is no, because once a President leaves office they become ordinary citizens and therefore subject to the usual court system. But I’ve seen it argued otherwise.
I'm not aware of how impeachment works once a President leaves office - only 8 GOP Senators opposed the calling of the results but whether a third of the caucus would break ranks to back impeachment seems debatable.
There's a stronger argument for letting the clock run out on Trump and looking at his "indiscretions" (real or imagined) once he is out of the Oval Office.
I'm sure that is what most will do, but there are apparently distinct advantages to not just letting the clock run out. At least make a stab at it now.
I am sure I am about to regret asking, but can anyone explain to me the internal feud of the SNP in simple terms?
Salmond is a sex pest.
Sturgeon shopped him.
Salmond has not forgiven her.
But she only shopped him because he was wanting to restand as an MSP after losing his Westminster seat in 2017.
I’m not sure the ‘why’ matters. It’s the ‘shopped’ that he’s narked about.
Truthfully, to say the least it doesn’t show either of them in a flattering light, but given the paucity of opposition i can’t see it having much electoral impact.
It's well known that shouting 'USA' entitles you to do anything you want at all times. We don't have an equivalent because of our monarchical oppression. And really, who needs to be able to hear what the captain of an airplane might have to say?
Those returning from drunken stag nights just need to chant the same thing and they will stop being upbraided too.
Another difficult day with an awful figure of deaths and another worryingly high number of cases.
Here in London Sadiq Khan's proclamation of a "major incident" had us all panicking though about as much as similar announcements in Surrey and East & West Sussex on Wednesday.
The key differences to this observer between now and March/April are the continuation of work on construction sites. These sites employ a lot of people not just on the sites themselves but as subbies and suppliers so that's a whole sector still operating which shut down in the spring.
My local cafe is still open albeit for takeaway only and the owner is now dead against anyone waiting inside for their food - methinks someone had a word. Nonetheless, he'll still do a decent Full English even if waiting outside on a cold January day isn't comfortable.
Ah Mindy again. I'm beginning to wonder if there was part of me that was secretly hoping to see her man the barricades in the bikini and semi-automatic rifle pose from her profile pic.
Derrick Evans, a West Virginia state legislator who recorded himself storming the Capitol on Wednesday, faces criminal charges, US officials said.
Evans has been charged in a criminal complaint with entering restricted area and entering the US Capitol, said Ken Kohl, a top official in the US attorney’s office for Washington, DC.
I just cannot understand anyone who is stupid enough to record themselves committing a criminal offence.
I mean, just - why?
Representative Evans is now claiming he was there as "media" though strangely he removed his self-coverage from his social media.
Note that his criminal actions have been condemned by Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV), Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (R-WV), Gov. Jim Justice (R-WV), the Republican Speaker of the WV State House of Delegates (to which Evans currently belongs)
The referee tonight is Craig Pawson. I asked my dad what he thought of him and he said 'He's poor, son'. I said 'I know, but what do you think of him?'. It was then that my dad then initiated proceedings to disown me.
Chris Whitty to front warning ads as UK Covid deaths hit new daily peak
Amid growing concern in government over compliance with lockdown rules, Chris Whitty will be the face of adverts on radio, TV and social media from Friday evening. Urging people to behave as cautiously as if they are already infected, he said: “Covid-19, especially the new variant, is spreading quickly across the country. This puts many people at risk of serious disease and is placing a lot of pressure on our NHS.”
I think they should have made all the Z-List celeb that have been abroad for "business", to do the campaigns for free....don't be a dick like me, stay in your house.
Derrick Evans, a West Virginia state legislator who recorded himself storming the Capitol on Wednesday, faces criminal charges, US officials said.
Evans has been charged in a criminal complaint with entering restricted area and entering the US Capitol, said Ken Kohl, a top official in the US attorney’s office for Washington, DC.
I just cannot understand anyone who is stupid enough to record themselves committing a criminal offence.
I mean, just - why?
Representative Evans is now claiming he was there as "media" though strangely he removed his self-coverage from his social media.
Note that his criminal actions have been condemned by Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV), Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (R-WV), Gov. Jim Justice (R-WV), the Republican Speaker of the WV State House of Delegates (to which Evans currently belongs)
FBI Special Agent Michael Casper : In thirteen years with the Bureau, I've discovered that there's no amount of money, manpower or knowledge that can equal the person you're looking for being stupid.
President Josiah Bartlet : God, well... Some of the stupidest criminals in the world are working right here in America. I've always been very proud of that.
What a horrible week. Perhaps the worst week of my adult life, in terms of global politics and current affairs.
China crushes Hong Kong. America suffers a quasi-coup. Britain teeters on the edge of national disaster.
In fact, the clouds are beginning to lift.
Fact that Lindsay Graham is target for heckling is NOT surprising, he's a prime target from across the political spectrum as a total hypocrite 24/7, 365+1 for leap year. Does NOT mean that the sky is falling.
Trumpsky has beaten himself in a way that no body else ever could.
(CNN) The US may have its own version of a more transmissible coronavirus and that might be helping fuel the already aggressive spread of the virus, the White House coronavirus task force said in its latest report to states this week. Reports sent by the task force to states dated January 3 warned of the possibility of a "USA variant" of Covid-19.
"This fall/winter surge has been at nearly twice the rate of rise of cases as the spring and summer surges. This acceleration suggests there may be a USA variant that has evolved here, in addition to the UK variant that is already spreading in our communities and may be 50% more transmissible," reports obtained by CNN said, calling for "aggressive mitigation ... to match a much more aggressive virus."
Derrick Evans, a West Virginia state legislator who recorded himself storming the Capitol on Wednesday, faces criminal charges, US officials said.
Evans has been charged in a criminal complaint with entering restricted area and entering the US Capitol, said Ken Kohl, a top official in the US attorney’s office for Washington, DC.
I just cannot understand anyone who is stupid enough to record themselves committing a criminal offence.
I mean, just - why?
Representative Evans is now claiming he was there as "media" though strangely he removed his self-coverage from his social media.
Note that his criminal actions have been condemned by Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV), Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (R-WV), Gov. Jim Justice (R-WV), the Republican Speaker of the WV State House of Delegates (to which Evans currently belongs)
FBI Special Agent Michael Casper : In thirteen years with the Bureau, I've discovered that there's no amount of money, manpower or knowledge that can equal the person you're looking for being stupid.
President Josiah Bartlet : God, well... Some of the stupidest criminals in the world are working right here in America. I've always been very proud of that.
I wonder how Elizabeth from Bowie, MD is getting on with her complaint against the riot organiser for the way she was treated when she tried to enter the capitol?
Ah Mindy again. I'm beginning to wonder if there was part of me that was secretly hoping to see her man the barricades in the bikini and semi-automatic rifle pose from her profile pic.
This and the heckling of Little Lindsay are proof that NOT all of the mob who stormed the Capitol came by bus. Many flew in and are now flying out.
Pity the poor flight crews AND fellow passengers who must endure this scum.
(CNN) The US may have its own version of a more transmissible coronavirus and that might be helping fuel the already aggressive spread of the virus, the White House coronavirus task force said in its latest report to states this week. Reports sent by the task force to states dated January 3 warned of the possibility of a "USA variant" of Covid-19.
"This fall/winter surge has been at nearly twice the rate of rise of cases as the spring and summer surges. This acceleration suggests there may be a USA variant that has evolved here, in addition to the UK variant that is already spreading in our communities and may be 50% more transmissible," reports obtained by CNN said, calling for "aggressive mitigation ... to match a much more aggressive virus."
The US mutant version of course will be bigger than every bodies else mutant versions....and extremely loud....you will hear it coming a mile off.
I am sure I am about to regret asking, but can anyone explain to me the internal feud of the SNP in simple terms?
Salmond is a sex pest.
Sturgeon shopped him.
Salmond has not forgiven her.
But she only shopped him because he was wanting to restand as an MSP after losing his Westminster seat in 2017.
I’m not sure the ‘why’ matters. It’s the ‘shopped’ that he’s narked about.
Truthfully, to say the least it doesn’t show either of them in a flattering light, but given the paucity of opposition i can’t see it having much electoral impact.
The thing that would be deeply damaging to Sturgeon is if she'd known about the allegations for a decade before shopping Salmond.
It would put a very different light on things.
Let it not be failed to be said though that Salmond, as well as being a sex pest, is a grade A idiot. I can't think of anyone who has fallen faster in my eyes than him.
Just seen the new Chris Witty ad....I don't think it is very good. What we really need is something like those AIDs ads. Instead we get Chris going this new variant is bad, stay home, wash your hands.
Chris Whitty to front warning ads as UK Covid deaths hit new daily peak
Amid growing concern in government over compliance with lockdown rules, Chris Whitty will be the face of adverts on radio, TV and social media from Friday evening. Urging people to behave as cautiously as if they are already infected, he said: “Covid-19, especially the new variant, is spreading quickly across the country. This puts many people at risk of serious disease and is placing a lot of pressure on our NHS.”
I think they should have made all the Z-List celeb that have been abroad for "business", to do the campaigns for free....don't be a dick like me, stay in your house.
What they need is really high profile fines and even arrests. Put the fear of God in the good people of Britain. Piers Morgan in prison. That kinda thing
I am sure I am about to regret asking, but can anyone explain to me the internal feud of the SNP in simple terms?
Salmond is a sex pest.
Sturgeon shopped him.
Salmond has not forgiven her.
But she only shopped him because he was wanting to restand as an MSP after losing his Westminster seat in 2017.
I’m not sure the ‘why’ matters. It’s the ‘shopped’ that he’s narked about.
Truthfully, to say the least it doesn’t show either of them in a flattering light, but given the paucity of opposition i can’t see it having much electoral impact.
The thing that would be deeply damaging to Sturgeon is if she'd known about the allegations for a decade before shopping Salmond.
It would put a very different light on things.
Let it not be failed to be said though that Salmond, as well as being a sex pest, is a grade A idiot. I can't think of anyone who has fallen faster in my eyes than him.
Does he still have a hardcore fanclub amongst the Nits? I know a number of them quietly despise Sturgeon (cf malcomg's characteristically gentle descriptions of her). Is Eck a Prince across the Water for some?
I am sure I am about to regret asking, but can anyone explain to me the internal feud of the SNP in simple terms?
Salmond is a sex pest.
Sturgeon shopped him.
Salmond has not forgiven her.
But she only shopped him because he was wanting to restand as an MSP after losing his Westminster seat in 2017.
I’m not sure the ‘why’ matters. It’s the ‘shopped’ that he’s narked about.
Truthfully, to say the least it doesn’t show either of them in a flattering light, but given the paucity of opposition i can’t see it having much electoral impact.
The thing that would be deeply damaging to Sturgeon is if she'd known about the allegations for a decade before shopping Salmond.
It would put a very different light on things.
Let it not be failed to be said though that Salmond, as well as being a sex pest, is a grade A idiot. I can't think of anyone who has fallen faster in my eyes than him.
Does he still have a hardcore fanclub amongst the Nits? I know a number of them quietly despise Sturgeon (cf malcomg's characteristically gentle descriptions of her). Is Eck a Prince across the Water for some?
You're confusing SNP members with Yes voters generally. Not the same thing by any means.
While The Strawbs were being tongue in cheek, that is a superb song for the Seventies zeitgeist. It was only when things went too far in the Winter of Discontent, that the unions became quite so unpopular.
To be fair, that was an excellent statement by Trump whether through gritted teeth or not.
Had that been the tone of his Presidency, he'd have been re-elected comfortably indeed bigly.
It's not an excellent statement if his character, history and actions make them patently self serving rather than indicative of any sincere wish for healing an unity. Words cannot simply be divorced from context.
If he said 'All you need is love' those would be nice words, but it would not be an excellent statement coming from him. Particularly when all his other words show his desire is the very opposite of healing and unity.
The words are fine, but as a statement they are not, from him.
I'm really not sure this stuff is wise. Eventually Republicans will retake power and they will have an urge for revenge on social media giants acting as state censors for Biden.
Democrats are acting as if they won the election by a landslide and they have nearly all of America on their side, against a tiny seditious minority.
The polls, unfortunately, show this is not the case.
America is headed for even greater polarisation - and conflict. Maybe it is inevitable.
It's like Brexit, but with 7 billion semi automatic machine guns.
I am sure I am about to regret asking, but can anyone explain to me the internal feud of the SNP in simple terms?
Salmond is a sex pest.
Sturgeon shopped him.
Salmond has not forgiven her.
But she only shopped him because he was wanting to restand as an MSP after losing his Westminster seat in 2017.
I’m not sure the ‘why’ matters. It’s the ‘shopped’ that he’s narked about.
Truthfully, to say the least it doesn’t show either of them in a flattering light, but given the paucity of opposition i can’t see it having much electoral impact.
The thing that would be deeply damaging to Sturgeon is if she'd known about the allegations for a decade before shopping Salmond.
It would put a very different light on things.
Let it not be failed to be said though that Salmond, as well as being a sex pest, is a grade A idiot. I can't think of anyone who has fallen faster in my eyes than him.
Does he still have a hardcore fanclub amongst the Nits? I know a number of them quietly despise Sturgeon (cf malcomg's characteristically gentle descriptions of her). Is Eck a Prince across the Water for some?
You're confusing SNP members with Yes voters generally. Not the same thing by any means.
OK, how about..... does he still have a hardcore fanclub amongst Yes voters?
Democrats are acting as if they won the election by a landslide and they have nearly all of America on their side, against a tiny seditious minority.
Biden isn't.
As for the actions of twitter et al not being wise, the thing is many of these examples do appear to be blatant violations of their policies, so leaving them up would be pandering to them because of their politics, so they are kind of caught here.
I'm really not sure this stuff is wise. Eventually Republicans will retake power and they will have an urge for revenge on social media giants acting as state censors for Biden.
Democrats are acting as if they won the election by a landslide and they have nearly all of America on their side, against a tiny seditious minority.
The polls, unfortunately, show this is not the case.
America is headed for even greater polarisation - and conflict. Maybe it is inevitable.
It's like Brexit, but with 7 billion semi automatic machine guns.
The Republicans who will take power some day will NOT be interested in seeking revenge for the likes of Flynn & Sidney Powell, let alone Trumpsky.
The majority of people who just voted to re-elect Trumpsky do NOT support his inciting a mob to attack the Capitol of the United States.
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I would have said the likeliest answer is no, because once a President leaves office they become ordinary citizens and therefore subject to the usual court system. But I’ve seen it argued otherwise.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/06/can-former-presidents-be-impeached/
Eck's pals think Nippy is going to blow their next one big chance.
https://twitter.com/willchamberlain/status/1347639551683145740
Sturgeon shopped him.
Salmond has not forgiven her.
Also there's lashings transphobia and Salmond not realising he is yesterday's man.
There isn't a simple summary.
https://twitter.com/iheartmindy/status/1347630575159570442
Truthfully, to say the least it doesn’t show either of them in a flattering light, but given the paucity of opposition i can’t see it having much electoral impact.
https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/1347641078556594178
Those returning from drunken stag nights just need to chant the same thing and they will stop being upbraided too.
Here in London Sadiq Khan's proclamation of a "major incident" had us all panicking though about as much as similar announcements in Surrey and East & West Sussex on Wednesday.
The key differences to this observer between now and March/April are the continuation of work on construction sites. These sites employ a lot of people not just on the sites themselves but as subbies and suppliers so that's a whole sector still operating which shut down in the spring.
My local cafe is still open albeit for takeaway only and the owner is now dead against anyone waiting inside for their food - methinks someone had a word. Nonetheless, he'll still do a decent Full English even if waiting outside on a cold January day isn't comfortable.
ETA 4-1 down.
You fantasising about HYUFD getting his truncheon out, Alistair was talking about Joanne Cherry riding Alex Salmond's tiger earlier on.
Kelvin Hopkins was suspended by the party in 2017 after a Labour activist, Ava Etemadzadeh, accused him of inappropriate physical contact.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-55588756
U-S-A! U-S-A! Yup, that works.
U-K! U-K! Doesn't quite cut it somehow. U-N-K?
Note that his criminal actions have been condemned by Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV), Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (R-WV), Gov. Jim Justice (R-WV), the Republican Speaker of the WV State House of Delegates (to which Evans currently belongs)
Amid growing concern in government over compliance with lockdown rules, Chris Whitty will be the face of adverts on radio, TV and social media from Friday evening. Urging people to behave as cautiously as if they are already infected, he said: “Covid-19, especially the new variant, is spreading quickly across the country. This puts many people at risk of serious disease and is placing a lot of pressure on our NHS.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/08/uk-covid-deaths-reach-new-daily-peak-and-set-to-stay-there-a-month
I think they should have made all the Z-List celeb that have been abroad for "business", to do the campaigns for free....don't be a dick like me, stay in your house.
Shortage of AZ currently
https://www.tobyperkins.org.uk/2021/01/08/update-following-discussions-regarding-vaccinations-in-chesterfield-and-derbyshire/
https://twitter.com/gerryhassan/status/1347653269838032896?s=21
President Josiah Bartlet : God, well... Some of the stupidest criminals in the world are working right here in America. I've always been very proud of that.
Fact that Lindsay Graham is target for heckling is NOT surprising, he's a prime target from across the political spectrum as a total hypocrite 24/7, 365+1 for leap year. Does NOT mean that the sky is falling.
Trumpsky has beaten himself in a way that no body else ever could.
"This fall/winter surge has been at nearly twice the rate of rise of cases as the spring and summer surges. This acceleration suggests there may be a USA variant that has evolved here, in addition to the UK variant that is already spreading in our communities and may be 50% more transmissible," reports obtained by CNN said, calling for "aggressive mitigation ... to match a much more aggressive virus."
Sympathies, anyway
*not in an inappropriate touching way.
Pity the poor flight crews AND fellow passengers who must endure this scum.
I was thinking Strawbs 'Part of the Union':
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdOCWUgwiWs
It would put a very different light on things.
Let it not be failed to be said though that Salmond, as well as being a sex pest, is a grade A idiot. I can't think of anyone who has fallen faster in my eyes than him.
https://twitter.com/girlsreallyrule/status/1347618682969747457
The 'Tiger' I was talking about was the sweaty, writhing, seething mass of UDI seekers. She's riding them.
https://twitter.com/ged0407/status/1347655933795725312
Good night.
Edit: Minus the sorry, of course.
Can't heal properly until the infection is removed anyway.
https://twitter.com/TelePolitics/status/1347658578748968961
https://twitter.com/amandionair/status/1347656893943214082?s=21
Had that been the tone of his Presidency, he'd have been re-elected comfortably indeed bigly.
If he said 'All you need is love' those would be nice words, but it would not be an excellent statement coming from him. Particularly when all his other words show his desire is the very opposite of healing and unity.
The words are fine, but as a statement they are not, from him.
Democrats are acting as if they won the election by a landslide and they have nearly all of America on their side, against a tiny seditious minority.
The polls, unfortunately, show this is not the case.
America is headed for even greater polarisation - and conflict. Maybe it is inevitable.
It's like Brexit, but with 7 billion semi automatic machine guns.
As for the actions of twitter et al not being wise, the thing is many of these examples do appear to be blatant violations of their policies, so leaving them up would be pandering to them because of their politics, so they are kind of caught here.
The majority of people who just voted to re-elect Trumpsky do NOT support his inciting a mob to attack the Capitol of the United States.