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  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Scott_xP said:
    I find it very difficult to belief that his "scientific advisers" are offering advice on the basis of "saving Christmas".
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639

    alex_ said:

    Scott_xP said:
    "National" lockdown. What does that mean exactly? Just England presumably.
    Can't see Wales being too keen to go along with it. Given the entire point of their 'early action' on a "short circuit breaker" was to avoid a longer lockdown.
    Gives Drakeford a chance to extend his lockdown - with special 'non essential shopping' rules of course.

    And Sturgeon can have 'lockdown+' with bonus SNP totalitarian measures.
    Drakeford said today that from the 9th November new covid rules will apply throughout Wales so it is de facto extension of the firebreak to Wales as a whole
    Yes the 'new rules' will suspend all indoor contacts between households except where one is living alone who can 'bubble up' (or as they say in Belgium be a 'cuddle contact') with another household. Applying the rule which applied in the regional Welsh lockdowns pre the 'firebreak' to the whole country.

    The 'cyfnod atal byr' will actually no longer be a 'short suspension break'...
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    LadyG said:

    Carnyx said:

    LadyG said:

    Carnyx said:

    LadyG said:

    Autumnwatch:

    White Tailed Sea Eagles are now firmly embedded as nesting birds in the Isle of Wight. In England. For the first time in England since 1780

    YAY!

    Excellent news. I saw the first chicks being habituated back on the Isle of Rum in, I think, the late 1970s or 1980s and admired the adulkts like flying barn doors on the Isle of Eigg in the 1990s.
    They're not saying. But is is wonderful. I too saw them in the Hebrides a few years ago. The idea they might soon be flying free over much of Britain is glorious.

    And it is easily do-able. Red Kites (themselves magnificent birds) are now EVERYWHERE in the Chilterns and along the M4 (and they are spreading).

    I have seen wild boar prints in Sussex. I love the rewilding of the nation. Beavers in Devon! Bring back the wolf in Scotland and Cumbria!
    PS And lynx too (actually more doable than wolf, I understand).
    Yes I see almost no problem with lynx. They are zero threat to humans. If they take a sheep or two, compensate the farmers, because the tourist income will totally outweigh their loss. Large parts of Scotland, northern/western England, Wales, could easily support a few lynx. And how exciting would that be? A genuine big cat in Britain
    Already there. There really are too many credible Bodmin and Dartmoor sightings to be disbelieved - i have heard first hand from a sane Devon farmer how he saw a black panther kind of thing, close up and in good light.
    Wouldn't such things need a breeding population to be sustainable ?

    Have more than one ever been seen at the same time ?
    Depends. Lions live in packs, leopards are highly solitary. So only spotting singletons would not prove the absence of a breeding population. Plus it is quite conceivable they are escapes or dumpings, either not breeding at all or only for a generation or two.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    2020 is bleak.
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 2,221

    LadyG said:

    This Lockdown will last until Feb or March, with a temporary/partial suspension over Christmas

    We are headed for the worst of times

    If that's tried throughout Europe I would expect some countries to disintegrate.

    Not sure which though.
    I don't see how it can be avoided. Every time they lift the lockdowns - during the northern winter - cases will explode very quickly. Not least because R0 will barely be below 1, due to schools and unis saying open. So it won't take much to get R soaring once more.

    It it the reasonable worst case scenario, becoming reality, as I warned you all about 8 months ago. We can expect 100,000+ dead in the UK, plus many many more negative consequences re mental health and so on.

    Good luck, PB-ers, good luck.



  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    alex_ said:

    Scott_xP said:
    And some projections not showing a 'spike', presumably...
    How on earth can they know there will be a big spike around xmas eve?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226
    rcs1000 said:

    The Dow isn't on anyone's side: the markets are just waking up to the fact that the Coronavirus is going to be causing a double dip recession.
    The markets are falling due to fear of Joe Biden's socialist revolution.

    I suppose Trump could try that one.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Scott_xP said:
    Tweet has a mistake, having added “non” to the info in the article.

    Regardless, Spectre’s just released latest view isn’t nearly as gloomy.
  • Scott_xP said:
    That'll be Boris 'there'll not be another national lockdown' Johnson would it?

    Has he got the Cabinet behind him on this, because I'm pretty sure he hasn't got his backbenchers.
    I assume that’s why he’s offering to keep schools, colleges and universities open, which MPs seem to be keen on, despite Secondaries and above having high infection rates.
    Students seem to have been the main source of this next phase of the plague from where I'm sitting.
    Opening up university halls was utter folly.

    I see weekly data of regional infections in school settings, and upper secondary (Year 9 and above) and FE colleges have very high transmission rates. That’s why Drakeford closed them in Wales.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935

    alex_ said:

    Scott_xP said:
    And some projections not showing a 'spike', presumably...
    How on earth can they know there will be a big spike around xmas eve?
    Yeah. Not around Boxing day, or Christmas day, but Christmas eve. Sounds like bollocks to me.
  • alex_ said:

    Scott_xP said:
    "National" lockdown. What does that mean exactly? Just England presumably.
    Hasn't Boris asked for a meeting with all the first ministers
    "A summit to save Christmas". What an utterly ridiculous idea. Not a summit to save lives. Nor a summit to save the economy. Nor even a summit to strike a balance between the two. But a summit to save bloody Christmas! Just for a few short term headlines. As ever. Who feckin cares?

    And hospitals are apparently on the verge of being 'overwhelmed'. What were the bloody Nightingales for? That was the whole point of them!
    Many people are obsessed with the seemingly trivial. Especially when it involves them having a good time.

    So people obsess about foreign holidays and people obsess about Christmas.

    And then politicians pander to them.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,717

    The covid news from universities has gone quiet.

    Do we know what infection percentage various accommodation blocks reached while they were locked down ?

    The numbers in Leicester Uni are not bad, updated daily here:

    https://le.ac.uk/coronavirus/data-statistics?dm_i=I8Y,72T63,1G5ZIW,SL9NV,1

    Unfortunately a couple were in Medical Students, but apparently we are fine as all wearing PPE. So that's OK then...
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 2,221
    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:
    That seems awfully specific given that it is still a few months away.
    Christmas is about 7-8 weeks away, not "a few months"
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    LadyG said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:
    That seems awfully specific given that it is still a few months away.
    Christmas is about 7-8 weeks away, not "a few months"
    Eh, two is almost a few ;) Are you suggesting their models are precise enough to predict the peak to within a day that far out? I don't think so.
  • LadyG said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:
    That seems awfully specific given that it is still a few months away.
    Christmas is about 7-8 weeks away, not "a few months"
    Only two shopping months till Christmas!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    LadyG said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:
    That seems awfully specific given that it is still a few months away.
    Christmas is about 7-8 weeks away, not "a few months"
    These plans seem designed to move such a spike to mid January instead.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226
    LadyG said:

    kinabalu said:

    LadyG said:

    Ok, because of the kerfuffle I ran the cartoon past a professional cartoonist, who incidentally hadn't seen it before and wasn't aware of the AS concerns.

    We concluded it's a good cartoon cartoon idea, but the execution is poor (no pun intended). The main trouble is that Starmer is unrecognisable. He looks more like Cameron! What's more, he's been made to look effete. The reason for this is unclear, and doesn't seem to serve any comedic or political purpose. (Corbyn is also a poor likeness but that matters less.)

    This is a shame because the idea of Starmer decapitating metaphorically his adversary is a strong one, especially as real beheadings are very much in the news.

    Is it anti-semitic? Not in a million years. There's no Jewish trope here, and no caricature that could be interpreted as such.

    Like Foxy says, "The implication that the Jews wanted an innocent man's head on a plate."

    So that's NOT anti-semitic? Sorry, but think you are wrong here. Trouble is not crap drawing but rather loaded, coded message.
    Also, this cartoonist was "unaware of the anti-Semitic issue" and this is when he, or she, is judging a cartoon, which is all about a politician cashiered for anti-Semitism?

    That's utterly ridiculous. Anti-Semitism is THE central issue here, it is the reason for the cartoon's existence. So if you are unaware of that you can't have any opinion on the image, as you are clueless of the vital context.
    You are so sharp at spotting antisemitism on the left. Quite exceptionally talented in this regard.
    Ta
    lol
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,717

    2020 is bleak.

    Could be worse. Wait for next year...

    Its being so cheerful wot keeps me going.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,410

    2020 is bleak.

    Just wait for 2021...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    Foxy said:

    2020 is bleak.

    Could be worse. Wait for next year...

    Its being so cheerful wot keeps me going.
    Always darkest before the dawn.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    RobD said:

    alex_ said:

    Scott_xP said:
    And some projections not showing a 'spike', presumably...
    How on earth can they know there will be a big spike around xmas eve?
    Yeah. Not around Boxing day, or Christmas day, but Christmas eve. Sounds like bollocks to me.
    Briefing from a "senior downing street source".

    So, Rasputin again then.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639

    LadyG said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:
    That seems awfully specific given that it is still a few months away.
    Christmas is about 7-8 weeks away, not "a few months"
    Only two shopping months till Christmas!
    Looks like only 4 non essential shopping days to Christmas! (0 in Wales)
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Wonder how the Muslim population feels about "saving Christmas"? Given they're presumably about to be locked down for Diwali to save it.
  • Scott_xP said:
    A big spike of deaths around Christmas Eve would require a big spike of infections in the first week of December.

    That seems an unusually precise projection.

    And why specifically Christmas Eve not Christmas Day ?
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 2,221
    Deaths are a lagging indicator, part 5023

    France today recorded nearly 50,000 new cases, and 550 new deaths. Heading back to the levels of Spring
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 2,221
    alex_ said:

    LadyG said:

    LadyG said:

    This Lockdown will last until Feb or March, with a temporary/partial suspension over Christmas

    We are headed for the worst of times

    If that's tried throughout Europe I would expect some countries to disintegrate.

    Not sure which though.
    I don't see how it can be avoided. Every time they lift the lockdowns - during the northern winter - cases will explode very quickly. Not least because R0 will barely be below 1, due to schools and unis saying open. So it won't take much to get R soaring once more.

    It it the reasonable worst case scenario, becoming reality, as I warned you all about 8 months ago. We can expect 100,000+ dead in the UK, plus many many more negative consequences re mental health and so on.

    Good luck, PB-ers, good luck.



    But you only joined the site in June?
    I have already confessed that I used to post under the name "Martin Day". Please do not press me any more
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226

    2020 is bleak.

    That will change on Tuesday. Clouds lifting, sun breaking through, heavenly choir of angels ...
  • alex_ said:

    Scott_xP said:
    And some projections not showing a 'spike', presumably...
    I doubt these 'projections' actually exist beyond someone extrapolating to infinity on excel.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    alex_ said:

    Wonder how the Muslim population feels about "saving Christmas"? Given they're presumably about to be locked down for Diwali to save it.

    Yes, perhaps the motivation should be finding a long-term solution.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    edited October 2020
    RobD said:

    alex_ said:

    Scott_xP said:
    And some projections not showing a 'spike', presumably...
    How on earth can they know there will be a big spike around xmas eve?
    Yeah. Not around Boxing day, or Christmas day, but Christmas eve. Sounds like bollocks to me.
    Might not be utter bollocks to say that deaths in general will spike in week that Xmas eve falls. They did in 2019, at 11.9K except for another spike to 14K in mid January. I checked quickly.

  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,259

    LadyG said:

    This Lockdown will last until Feb or March, with a temporary/partial suspension over Christmas

    We are headed for the worst of times

    If that's tried throughout Europe I would expect some countries to disintegrate.

    Not sure which though.
    Belgium? It has been close previously
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,381

    2020 is bleak.

    Have you foreseen Tuesday's result then? I was hoping for a glimmer of light.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    alex_ said:

    Wonder how the Muslim population feels about "saving Christmas"? Given they're presumably about to be locked down for Diwali to save it.

    What has Diwali got to do with muslims?
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    edited October 2020

    alex_ said:

    Wonder how the Muslim population feels about "saving Christmas"? Given they're presumably about to be locked down for Diwali to save it.

    What has Diwali got to do with muslims?
    Oops. Sorry. Hindus.
  • alex_ said:

    Wonder how the Muslim population feels about "saving Christmas"? Given they're presumably about to be locked down for Diwali to save it.

    Muslims don't observe Diwali.

    I'll let you into a little secret, Muslims love Christmas.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    RobD said:

    alex_ said:

    Wonder how the Muslim population feels about "saving Christmas"? Given they're presumably about to be locked down for Diwali to save it.

    Yes, perhaps the motivation should be finding a long-term solution.
    Doubt Muslims would give a stuff. iirc Diwali is a Hindu thing.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468

    alex_ said:

    Wonder how the Muslim population feels about "saving Christmas"? Given they're presumably about to be locked down for Diwali to save it.

    Muslims don't observe Diwali.

    I'll let you into a little secret, Muslims love Christmas.
    Jews love Christmas too. >:)
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,720
    RobD said:

    alex_ said:

    Scott_xP said:
    And some projections not showing a 'spike', presumably...
    How on earth can they know there will be a big spike around xmas eve?
    Yeah. Not around Boxing day, or Christmas day, but Christmas eve. Sounds like bollocks to me.
    Bearded old men covered in soot.

  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468

    twitter.com/paulmotty/status/1322304047852982272

    Not Rasmussen so can be ignored.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,717
    alex_ said:

    Wonder how the Muslim population feels about "saving Christmas"? Given they're presumably about to be locked down for Diwali to save it.

    I expect it is the Hindus that are more bothered about Diwali.

    Though both Hindus and Muslims in my dept seem to enjoy Christmas in my dept, al least judging by attendance at our departmental Christmas party.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    Scott_xP said:
    "Some people are going around saying there'll be a national lockdown next week. I just want to say that I am absolutely convinced that is the wrong thing to do and we wont be announcing it next week."

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    What overall turnout are we expecting?

    2016 was 60.2% according to Wiki. If this is year's increases to 64% that would be the highest since before universal suffrage.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,381
    Scott_xP said:
    It's not all silver linings. Ian Lavery has threated to quit the Labour Party.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468

    2020 is bleak.

    You are mistaken I think

    https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1212679425629859840
    I think that might be my favourite tweet of all time. Cracks me up every time I see it.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,720
    edited October 2020
    alex_ said:

    Wonder how the Muslim population feels about "saving Christmas"? Given they're presumably about to be locked down for Diwali to save it.

    They wouldn't mind. No skin off their noses. Hindus, Sikhs and Jains otoh ..

    edit: others got there first.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766

    Scott_xP said:
    A big spike of deaths around Christmas Eve would require a big spike of infections in the first week of December.

    That seems an unusually precise projection.

    And why specifically Christmas Eve not Christmas Day ?
    Nobody records any deaths on Christmas Day?
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Anyone think it's a coincidence that there's a US Presidential election next week?
  • alex_ said:

    Anyone think it's a coincidence that there's a US Presidential election next week?

    No.
  • alex_ said:

    Wonder how the Muslim population feels about "saving Christmas"? Given they're presumably about to be locked down for Diwali to save it.

    Muslims don't observe Diwali.

    I'll let you into a little secret, Muslims love Christmas.
    There is nothing wrong with acknowledging Christmas is the biggest holiday/family period in the UK. Its built around bank holidays, shopping, presents, family, new year, as much as, if not more than Christianity.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    Total world stock market chaos next week with the COVID chaos - especially if the basement man wins!!
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    So, do the pubs, restaurants and shops stock up for next week or not?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    Hate the way this government leaks such significant news to the press.
  • Damn, I've got a table booked at the Ritz (currently one of the very best restaurants in London IMO) the week after next.
  • So we are having a not national, national, 6 week, not a circuit breaker, Tier 4, not a lockdown, lockdown....
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766

    Scott_xP said:
    Just a guess but... is it because the government is completely fucking inept?
    They are way beyond on that level now.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468

    alex_ said:

    Wonder how the Muslim population feels about "saving Christmas"? Given they're presumably about to be locked down for Diwali to save it.

    Muslims don't observe Diwali.

    I'll let you into a little secret, Muslims love Christmas.
    There is nothing wrong with acknowledging Christmas is the biggest holiday/family period in the UK. Its built around bank holidays, shopping, presents, family, new year, as much as, if not more than Christianity.
    Yup. Christmas has nothing to do with Christianity for the vast majority of the population. It's a secular holiday really.
  • valleyboyvalleyboy Posts: 606

    Scott_xP said:
    It's not all silver linings. Ian Lavery has threated to quit the Labour Party.
    Arguably that is a silver lining. 😀
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    Two day massive piss up across those parts of UK which haven't had their pubs closed this weekend then?

    Another blinder from the briefers of Downing Street.

  • Scott_xP said:
    At leasr not doing their usual nonsense of announcing Wednesday for implementation the next Monday, so people go on yet another final weekend on the lash.
  • Damn, I've got a table booked at the Ritz (currently one of the very best restaurants in London IMO) the week after next.

    I had a three night stay at The Ritz and dinner in the palm court restaurant for night booked for this July, which didn't happen, it has been booked for next July.

    Fingers crossed it happens next year.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,259
    Foxy said:

    alex_ said:

    Wonder how the Muslim population feels about "saving Christmas"? Given they're presumably about to be locked down for Diwali to save it.

    I expect it is the Hindus that are more bothered about Diwali.

    Though both Hindus and Muslims in my dept seem to enjoy Christmas in my dept, al least judging by attendance at our departmental Christmas party.
    I once went to Goa about the time they exhibited St Francis Xavier. Apparently Hindus turned out in numbers.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,381

    alex_ said:

    Wonder how the Muslim population feels about "saving Christmas"? Given they're presumably about to be locked down for Diwali to save it.

    Muslims don't observe Diwali.

    I'll let you into a little secret, Muslims love Christmas.
    There is nothing wrong with acknowledging Christmas is the biggest holiday/family period in the UK. Its built around bank holidays, shopping, presents, family, new year, as much as, if not more than Christianity.
    Christmas Day, the day we all celebrate the birth of Santa Claus.

    (Homer Simpson)
  • Scott_xP said:
    At leasr not doing their usual nonsense of announcing Wednesday for implementation the next Monday, so people go on yet another final weekend on the lash.
    Err is tomorrow not the start of the final weekend on the lash?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695

    Scott_xP said:
    It's not all silver linings. Ian Lavery has threated to quit the Labour Party.
    SKS will just have to grit his teeth and bear the loss.
  • As to 'saving Christmas' all the excess eating and drinking which goes with it is the last thing we need.
  • So we are having a not national, national, 6 week, not a circuit breaker, Tier 4, not a lockdown, lockdown....

    It's not a national lockdown, it's a home nation lockdown.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    Scott_xP said:
    Maybe the Speaker will have something to say about it next week?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695

    So we are having a not national, national, 6 week, not a circuit breaker, Tier 4, not a lockdown, lockdown....

    It's not a national lockdown, it's a home nation lockdown.
    You know they are going to call it something else... Level code Red 1a (part b) or somesuch.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Presumably Govt ministers will be all over the airwaves this weekend denying that there are any such plans.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,103
    edited October 2020

    Scott_xP said:
    At leasr not doing their usual nonsense of announcing Wednesday for implementation the next Monday, so people go on yet another final weekend on the lash.
    Err is tomorrow not the start of the final weekend on the lash?
    I was being sarcastic. When will they learn. You have to decide, announce, implement, not brief vaguely, wait several days, announce, wait several days, implement.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,381

    So we are having a not national, national, 6 week, not a circuit breaker, Tier 4, not a lockdown, lockdown....

    It's not a national lockdown, it's a home nation lockdown.
    You know they are going to call it something else... Level code Red 1a (part b) or somesuch.
    What about a Wales+ lockdown and put all the blame on Drakeford and Gething. Works for me.
  • So we are having a not national, national, 6 week, not a circuit breaker, Tier 4, not a lockdown, lockdown....

    It's not a national lockdown, it's a home nation lockdown.
    You know they are going to call it something else... Level code Red 1a (part b) or somesuch.
    Call it Operation Dynamo or Operation Catapult.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695

    As to 'saving Christmas' all the excess eating and drinking which goes with it is the last thing we need.

    Watch out Ebenezer, Marley's ghost will be after you.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    Scott_xP said:
    Jen still trying to get data out of the public NHS which we all fund through our taxes I see.

    It's a f*cking disgrace that there is secrecy about this.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,908
    The expenses scandal revealed the mild-crookedness of many MPs, COVID-19 has revealed a large number of the members of parliament to be innumerate, lacking even basic scientific knowledge, and incapable of extrapolation and planning. To put it bluntly I would guess that at least half of all MPs are essentially useless.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,720
    Roy_G_Biv said:

    alex_ said:

    Wonder how the Muslim population feels about "saving Christmas"? Given they're presumably about to be locked down for Diwali to save it.

    Muslims don't observe Diwali.

    I'll let you into a little secret, Muslims love Christmas.
    There is nothing wrong with acknowledging Christmas is the biggest holiday/family period in the UK. Its built around bank holidays, shopping, presents, family, new year, as much as, if not more than Christianity.
    Yup. Christmas has nothing to do with Christianity for the vast majority of the population. It's a secular holiday really.
    How very dare you. The Christmas tree, Father Christmas, kissing under the mistletoe. It's all right there in the bible.
    Is it ok to dream of a ..... Christmas?

  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Scott_xP said:
    How close were they to capacity in the Spring? London had nearly 5,000 at the peak and weren't (quite) overwhelmed. Currently 830.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Boris Johnson to announce that myrrh is excluded from essential shopping item. Visits to see a hungry child in a manger excluded from FCO essential travel advice.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,381

    So we are having a not national, national, 6 week, not a circuit breaker, Tier 4, not a lockdown, lockdown....

    It's not a national lockdown, it's a home nation lockdown.
    You know they are going to call it something else... Level code Red 1a (part b) or somesuch.
    Call it Operation Dynamo or Operation Catapult.
    Operation world-beating lockdown?
  • This is going to delay the delivery of iPhone 12 Pro Max isn't it?

    If it does, then Boris needs to go.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695

    Scott_xP said:
    Maybe the Speaker will have something to say about it next week?
    Maybe quite a large number of Tory MPs will too. But presumably Labour will support the Tories implementing SKS's policy.
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