Ok, because of the kerfuffle I ran the cartoon past a professional cartoonist, who incidentally hadn't seen it before and wasn't aware of the AS concerns.
We concluded it's a good cartoon cartoon idea, but the execution is poor (no pun intended). The main trouble is that Starmer is unrecognisable. He looks more like Cameron! What's more, he's been made to look effete. The reason for this is unclear, and doesn't seem to serve any comedic or political purpose. (Corbyn is also a poor likeness but that matters less.)
This is a shame because the idea of Starmer decapitating metaphorically his adversary is a strong one, especially as real beheadings are very much in the news.
Is it anti-semitic? Not in a million years. There's no Jewish trope here, and no caricature that could be interpreted as such.
The problem is that Bell has previous. Therefore I'm assuming that he's on Jezza's side and very much means to cause offence.
Actually Bell fell foul of the Jezbollah, and they came after him. Can't remember why. He failed some Purity Test.
Anyone got any strong feelings about the SC Senate race? Would love to see Graham get bounced, but am a bit unwilling to risk any funds on it...
Despite being vastly outspent and badly on the defensive I think Graham will cling on. Although a sign of nervousness is that he's pulled out of the final debate.
Is a change or evolving in policy automatically a u-turn? I suppose it can be, though I wish u-turning was implicitly negative, this making any change seem like weakness, and therefore making people reluctant to do it even when they should.
Ok, because of the kerfuffle I ran the cartoon past a professional cartoonist, who incidentally hadn't seen it before and wasn't aware of the AS concerns.
We concluded it's a good cartoon cartoon idea, but the execution is poor (no pun intended). The main trouble is that Starmer is unrecognisable. He looks more like Cameron! What's more, he's been made to look effete. The reason for this is unclear, and doesn't seem to serve any comedic or political purpose. (Corbyn is also a poor likeness but that matters less.)
This is a shame because the idea of Starmer decapitating metaphorically his adversary is a strong one, especially as real beheadings are very much in the news.
Is it anti-semitic? Not in a million years. There's no Jewish trope here, and no caricature that could be interpreted as such.
The problem is that Bell has previous. Therefore I'm assuming that he's on Jezza's side and very much means to cause offence.
Actually Bell fell foul of the Jezbollah, and they came after him. Can't remember why. He failed some Purity Test.
Stock markets looking a bit sickly this evening. Particularly the US, which has furthest to fall.
Yep. Been a tough week for my stocks, but am sticking to them. Fairly defensive position, and I think Asia will recover quite well, and EZ figures not too bad for Q3.
EZ figures not too bad?
Germany is now reporting 18,653 cases today. The second worst day yet, I believe (yesterday was THE worst). And they don't test as much as others.
I read the thread and have still no idea what is supposed to be so offensive about it.
The implication that the Jews wanted an innocent man's head on a plate.
Simple as that.
I can see that, for a Corbynite, the imagery works; the brave innocent prophet beheaded by the weak "leader" to satisfy the indulged and kinky niece. It's a tempting image to use, and in some ways a powerful one.
But it can't help get tangled up with some of the original antisemitic tropes, and when the presenting issue is antisemitism, it's crass to even think about going there. That's why creatives need editors.
What is Steve Bell's status at the Grauniad? He's been there since the days of Thatch, hasn't he? Is he basically like Matt at the Telegraph; his departure is literally unthinkable?
Ok, because of the kerfuffle I ran the cartoon past a professional cartoonist, who incidentally hadn't seen it before and wasn't aware of the AS concerns.
We concluded it's a good cartoon cartoon idea, but the execution is poor (no pun intended). The main trouble is that Starmer is unrecognisable. He looks more like Cameron! What's more, he's been made to look effete. The reason for this is unclear, and doesn't seem to serve any comedic or political purpose. (Corbyn is also a poor likeness but that matters less.)
This is a shame because the idea of Starmer decapitating metaphorically his adversary is a strong one, especially as real beheadings are very much in the news.
Is it anti-semitic? Not in a million years. There's no Jewish trope here, and no caricature that could be interpreted as such.
The problem is that Bell has previous. Therefore I'm assuming that he's on Jezza's side and very much means to cause offence.
Actually Bell fell foul of the Jezbollah, and they came after him. Can't remember why. He failed some Purity Test.
That's an excellent thread at explaining it better than I did.
The thing is for all the people saying they're not sure it's anti-Semitic because they didn't get the reference ... Well Bell did get the reference. Bell knew what he was doing. He was deliberately portraying Corbyn as the John the Baptist sacrificed improperly. He was deliberately downplaying the EHRC report etc. And the Guardian printed it deliberately. Whether others get the reference or not.
It's a cartoon. I don't think it's very funny. It's in bad taste at best, and anti-semitic at worst. I suspect the Guardian editor should have pulled it before publication.
But I'm not sure that we can get quite so queasy about it when, as far as I can tell, the majority of us (PB or UK) defended the absolute right of Charlie Hebdo to publish their cartoons, which others certainly found offensive.
The Guardian have the absolute right to publish offensive cartoons too. Whether as a supposedly antiracist newspaper they should ... And especially whether they should on the day the EHRC reported into anti-Semitism is another matter.
If the Guardian wants to be anti-Semitic that is their right. If the Guardian wants to play down anti-Semitism that is their right. But let's not here any more from the Guardian about the evils of racism if so.
I don't really want to get embroiled in this - but.... It's a cartoon. Satire. By your logic, the journalists at Charlie Hebdo must be Islamophobic, and can henceforth never be anti-racist. Anti-racists are allowed to take the piss as well, you know.
And it may be anti-semitic, it may not be. I can't read Steve Bell's mind. Your certainty about this is as logical as some people's absolute certainty as to the accuracy of Trafalgar polls, for example. Are you ever capable of some self-doubt, or are you really always right?
I read the thread and have still no idea what is supposed to be so offensive about it.
The implication that the Jews wanted an innocent man's head on a plate.
Simple as that.
I can see that, for a Corbynite, the imagery works; the brave innocent prophet beheaded by the weak "leader" to satisfy the indulged and kinky niece. It's a tempting image to use, and in some ways a powerful one.
But it can't help get tangled up with some of the original antisemitic tropes, and when the presenting issue is antisemitism, it's crass to even think about going there. That's why creatives need editors.
What is Steve Bell's status at the Grauniad? He's been there since the days of Thatch, hasn't he? Is he basically like Matt at the Telegraph; his departure is literally unthinkable?
Stock markets looking a bit sickly this evening. Particularly the US, which has furthest to fall.
Yep. Been a tough week for my stocks, but am sticking to them. Fairly defensive position, and I think Asia will recover quite well, and EZ figures not too bad for Q3.
EZ figures not too bad?
Germany is now reporting 18,653 cases today. The second worst day yet, I believe (yesterday was THE worst). And they don't test as much as others.
Looks like the US may record more than 100,000 new cases today.
I seem to record, your Ladyship, that you reckoned deaths there would not exceed 175,000. My estimate was 200,000. Don't think either of us win any prizes.
Is a change or evolving in policy automatically a u-turn? I suppose it can be, though I wish u-turning was implicitly negative, this making any change seem like weakness, and therefore making people reluctant to do it even when they should.
Well, the story is that BoZo refused a National lockdown when SAGE requested it. The cartoon posted upthread is 6 weeks old.
Now the story is everyone else in Europe is locking down, BoZo is isolated, so now he wants to do it, which might be an acceptable change in position, except he now can't announce it because his backbenchers won't let him, which makes him weak...
Is a change or evolving in policy automatically a u-turn? I suppose it can be, though I wish u-turning was implicitly negative, this making any change seem like weakness, and therefore making people reluctant to do it even when they should.
Anyone got any strong feelings about the SC Senate race? Would love to see Graham get bounced, but am a bit unwilling to risk any funds on it...
Despite being vastly outspent and badly on the defensive I think Graham will cling on. Although a sign of nervousness is that he's pulled out of the final debate.
Thanks - I know he’s been begging for money all over the place, but that’s my feeling too. Shame, as he richly deserves to get punted.
Anyone got any strong feelings about the SC Senate race? Would love to see Graham get bounced, but am a bit unwilling to risk any funds on it...
Despite being vastly outspent and badly on the defensive I think Graham will cling on. Although a sign of nervousness is that he's pulled out of the final debate.
Another chicken move, like his buddy Perdue next door in Georgia.
And this schmuck used to be John McCain's sidekick. Interesting that Mini-Me lacks even a smidgeon of JMcC's fortitude.
That's an excellent thread at explaining it better than I did.
The thing is for all the people saying they're not sure it's anti-Semitic because they didn't get the reference ... Well Bell did get the reference. Bell knew what he was doing. He was deliberately portraying Corbyn as the John the Baptist sacrificed improperly. He was deliberately downplaying the EHRC report etc. And the Guardian printed it deliberately. Whether others get the reference or not.
It's a cartoon. I don't think it's very funny. It's in bad taste at best, and anti-semitic at worst. I suspect the Guardian editor should have pulled it before publication.
But I'm not sure that we can get quite so queasy about it when, as far as I can tell, the majority of us (PB or UK) defended the absolute right of Charlie Hebdo to publish their cartoons, which others certainly found offensive.
If i had a fiver for every time the Guardian editor let a Steve Bell cartoon through that was both unfunny and offensive...
Cracking cartoon. The story is in the universal human myth kitty, so it's no good any particular religion trying to claim offence-taking rights.
And a wowzer of a message. Salome was the epitome of mindless, sleazy, people-pleasing evil - turning on her dad in a strip show in order to procure a murder just to please her mum - mum being presumably being one or both of the Blairites and the Jews. Golly.
It is nuts to think that this is SKS's defeat of militant moment, or that he won it. The militant thing would not in 1m years have inspired that cartoon.
If the Government and scientists are going to continue to brief that the "real" figures are much worse than the figures which are being published daily, and don't look anything like as bad as what they are saying, shouldn't they change their publishing strategy? we have the govt simulataneously saying that R has come from 1.3-1.5 to 1.2-1.4 to (now) 1.1-1.3 in a matter of weeks but somehow it's going to meet some impenetrable barrier that means really everything is getting much worse?
What was all the stuff about R in London being 2.86 yesterday - is that REALLY the reality? The published figures don't suggest that, and certainly the hospitalisations don't (yet).
Didn't they claim that new infections in London were doubling every 3.3 days ?
Which is a quadrupling every week.
There's zero evidence of that on the daily published data.
The various studies of the virus are showing that the real infection rate is growing far faster than the rate recorded by the main testing program.
They are working out the real infection rate by testing a random sample of the population and then applying poll style adjustments to make sure the results are representative.
So they're saying that their testing samples are right and that the over 300k official tests per day are wrong ?
So where are all these extra cases ?
And do they give an estimate of the number of asymptomatic cases ?
I'm just confused as to why the testing data barely seems to be picking it up at all. Something that isn't, incidentally happening in other countries - look at what has happened in Italy over the last couple of weeks for example.
The problem with the ONS vs testing data is that depending on your viewpoint it could be both scary or reassuring. Because the ONS data is always 2 weeks old so one point of view is that the testing is rapidly diverging and current numbers are very hidden. The other is that the ONS model projections are failing to recognise that things are slowing down - something which is evidenced by the testing data.
The ONS isn't projecting from a model - they are estimating infections from a sample, then applying standard polling style corrections for the sample of people. Think ICM for COVID.
The 300K of COVID tests a day are testing those who are obviously sick, and these around them.
It's worth remembering that estimates of the asymptomatic cases go up to 80%.
Perhaps mildly interesting to note that although copying Carvaggio (the cartoon's title is "After Carvaggio"), Bell doesn't include the executioner (presumably the EHRC?) or Herodias (whoever the Jezzites think SKSalome is working for?) from the original..
Is a change or evolving in policy automatically a u-turn? I suppose it can be, though I wish u-turning was implicitly negative, this making any change seem like weakness, and therefore making people reluctant to do it even when they should.
Tier 3 was not enough then?
Almost like Andy Burnham was spot on when he was saying the government had no evidence that tier 3 would help and would not destroy the local economy.
As soon as London gets to the verge of tier 3 we get national lockdown and proper financial support for affected businesses, several weeks and months too late for those in the north.
If the Government and scientists are going to continue to brief that the "real" figures are much worse than the figures which are being published daily, and don't look anything like as bad as what they are saying, shouldn't they change their publishing strategy? we have the govt simulataneously saying that R has come from 1.3-1.5 to 1.2-1.4 to (now) 1.1-1.3 in a matter of weeks but somehow it's going to meet some impenetrable barrier that means really everything is getting much worse?
What was all the stuff about R in London being 2.86 yesterday - is that REALLY the reality? The published figures don't suggest that, and certainly the hospitalisations don't (yet).
The REACT study from Imperial looks wrong, at least in comparison to the ONS gold standard study. On the impenetrable barrier, the R looks like it is falling but at the same time it doesn't look like it is going to fall below 1 under the current national and regional measures. We would have seen the cases in tier 2 and 3 areas begin to drop by now, paradoxically banning indoor socialising in venues in the winter may have driven socialising into front rooms increasing the overall infection rate.
@Malmesbury, to answer your question from the previous topic. I no longer think the testing programme is picking up a high enough proportion of infections compared to the real infection rate. I'm not sure that we can reliably calculate the R from the case data, at least not on a very granular level, it may still be ok for regions and nationally.
That's an excellent thread at explaining it better than I did.
The thing is for all the people saying they're not sure it's anti-Semitic because they didn't get the reference ... Well Bell did get the reference. Bell knew what he was doing. He was deliberately portraying Corbyn as the John the Baptist sacrificed improperly. He was deliberately downplaying the EHRC report etc. And the Guardian printed it deliberately. Whether others get the reference or not.
It's a cartoon. I don't think it's very funny. It's in bad taste at best, and anti-semitic at worst. I suspect the Guardian editor should have pulled it before publication.
But I'm not sure that we can get quite so queasy about it when, as far as I can tell, the majority of us (PB or UK) defended the absolute right of Charlie Hebdo to publish their cartoons, which others certainly found offensive.
If i had a fiver for every time the Guardian editor let a Steve Bell cartoon through that was both unfunny and offensive...
Cracking cartoon. The story is in the universal human myth kitty, so it's no good any particular religion trying to claim offence-taking rights.
And a wowzer of a message. Salome was the epitome of mindless, sleazy, people-pleasing evil - turning on her dad in a strip show in order to procure a murder just to please her mum - mum being presumably being one or both of the Blairites and the Jews. Golly.
It is nuts to think that this is SKS's defeat of militant moment, or that he won it. The militant thing would not in 1m years have inspired that cartoon.
Step-dad, no? EDIT Yes, and half-uncle. That's a saucy story.
Emerson are having what they call a Superpoll Sunday and are going to be releasing 14 new polls .
They have in this election been mostly showing smaller Biden leads than the other higher rated pollsters.
They are a well respected pollster so should be interesting. as I recall they had the race pretty level in FL, GA and interestingly in PA too when they polled before but had similar large leads for Biden in WI and MI I think. Dont' think they have polled some states for some time so will be interesting to see what they have on Sunday.
I read the thread and have still no idea what is supposed to be so offensive about it.
The implication that the Jews wanted an innocent man's head on a plate.
Simple as that.
I can see that, for a Corbynite, the imagery works; the brave innocent prophet beheaded by the weak "leader" to satisfy the indulged and kinky niece. It's a tempting image to use, and in some ways a powerful one.
But it can't help get tangled up with some of the original antisemitic tropes, and when the presenting issue is antisemitism, it's crass to even think about going there. That's why creatives need editors.
What is Steve Bell's status at the Grauniad? He's been there since the days of Thatch, hasn't he? Is he basically like Matt at the Telegraph; his departure is literally unthinkable?
Matt is one of the very few things that might persuade me to by a copy of the Telegraph (the crossword being the other: I’m not bright enough to do the Times). Bell is one of the reasons I wouldn’t buy a copy of the Guardian.
Ok, because of the kerfuffle I ran the cartoon past a professional cartoonist, who incidentally hadn't seen it before and wasn't aware of the AS concerns.
We concluded it's a good cartoon cartoon idea, but the execution is poor (no pun intended). The main trouble is that Starmer is unrecognisable. He looks more like Cameron! What's more, he's been made to look effete. The reason for this is unclear, and doesn't seem to serve any comedic or political purpose. (Corbyn is also a poor likeness but that matters less.)
This is a shame because the idea of Starmer decapitating metaphorically his adversary is a strong one, especially as real beheadings are very much in the news.
Is it anti-semitic? Not in a million years. There's no Jewish trope here, and no caricature that could be interpreted as such.
Like Foxy says, "The implication that the Jews wanted an innocent man's head on a plate."
So that's NOT anti-semitic? Sorry, but think you are wrong here. Trouble is not crap drawing but rather loaded, coded message.
Success in that it was timed to lockdown when Fleet Street/ London required a lockdown and was relaxed when Fleet Street / London required it relaxing.
Success in that it was timed to lockdown when Fleet Street/ London required a lockdown and was relaxed when Fleet Street / London required it relaxing.
Not as much of a success elsewhere.
Lockdown was and still is a disaster for London. Large swathes of the central city never reopened. And, now, they may never reopen as we know them.
Is a change or evolving in policy automatically a u-turn? I suppose it can be, though I wish u-turning was implicitly negative, this making any change seem like weakness, and therefore making people reluctant to do it even when they should.
Well, the story is that BoZo refused a National lockdown when SAGE requested it. The cartoon posted upthread is 6 weeks old.
Now the story is everyone else in Europe is locking down, BoZo is isolated, so now he wants to do it, which might be an acceptable change in position, except he now can't announce it because his backbenchers won't let him, which makes him weak...
He's been weak since he blew his entire honeymoon capital on saving Cummo.
We might as well be steering the ship ourselves, for all the value he is adding.
That's an excellent thread at explaining it better than I did.
The thing is for all the people saying they're not sure it's anti-Semitic because they didn't get the reference ... Well Bell did get the reference. Bell knew what he was doing. He was deliberately portraying Corbyn as the John the Baptist sacrificed improperly. He was deliberately downplaying the EHRC report etc. And the Guardian printed it deliberately. Whether others get the reference or not.
It's a cartoon. I don't think it's very funny. It's in bad taste at best, and anti-semitic at worst. I suspect the Guardian editor should have pulled it before publication.
But I'm not sure that we can get quite so queasy about it when, as far as I can tell, the majority of us (PB or UK) defended the absolute right of Charlie Hebdo to publish their cartoons, which others certainly found offensive.
If i had a fiver for every time the Guardian editor let a Steve Bell cartoon through that was both unfunny and offensive...
Cracking cartoon. The story is in the universal human myth kitty, so it's no good any particular religion trying to claim offence-taking rights.
And a wowzer of a message. Salome was the epitome of mindless, sleazy, people-pleasing evil - turning on her dad in a strip show in order to procure a murder just to please her mum - mum being presumably being one or both of the Blairites and the Jews. Golly.
It is nuts to think that this is SKS's defeat of militant moment, or that he won it. The militant thing would not in 1m years have inspired that cartoon.
Step-dad, no? EDIT Yes, and half-uncle. That's a saucy story.
Success in that it was timed to lockdown when Fleet Street/ London required a lockdown and was relaxed when Fleet Street / London required it relaxing.
Not as much of a success elsewhere.
Lockdown was and still is a disaster for London. Large swathes of the central city never reopened. And, now, they may never reopen as we know them.
and obviously far worse for those areas with tighter restrictions for far longer in much poorer parts of the country to start with.
If the Government and scientists are going to continue to brief that the "real" figures are much worse than the figures which are being published daily, and don't look anything like as bad as what they are saying, shouldn't they change their publishing strategy? we have the govt simulataneously saying that R has come from 1.3-1.5 to 1.2-1.4 to (now) 1.1-1.3 in a matter of weeks but somehow it's going to meet some impenetrable barrier that means really everything is getting much worse?
What was all the stuff about R in London being 2.86 yesterday - is that REALLY the reality? The published figures don't suggest that, and certainly the hospitalisations don't (yet).
Didn't they claim that new infections in London were doubling every 3.3 days ?
Which is a quadrupling every week.
There's zero evidence of that on the daily published data.
The various studies of the virus are showing that the real infection rate is growing far faster than the rate recorded by the main testing program.
They are working out the real infection rate by testing a random sample of the population and then applying poll style adjustments to make sure the results are representative.
So they're saying that their testing samples are right and that the over 300k official tests per day are wrong ?
So where are all these extra cases ?
And do they give an estimate of the number of asymptomatic cases ?
I'm just confused as to why the testing data barely seems to be picking it up at all. Something that isn't, incidentally happening in other countries - look at what has happened in Italy over the last couple of weeks for example.
The problem with the ONS vs testing data is that depending on your viewpoint it could be both scary or reassuring. Because the ONS data is always 2 weeks old so one point of view is that the testing is rapidly diverging and current numbers are very hidden. The other is that the ONS model projections are failing to recognise that things are slowing down - something which is evidenced by the testing data.
The ONS isn't projecting from a model - they are estimating infections from a sample, then applying standard polling style corrections for the sample of people. Think ICM for COVID.
The 300K of COVID tests a day are testing those who are obviously sick, and these around them.
It's worth remembering that estimates of the asymptomatic cases go up to 80%.
The asymptomatic number is the vital one.
If 80% are asymptomatic then herd immunity is the only sensible strategy.
Is a change or evolving in policy automatically a u-turn? I suppose it can be, though I wish u-turning was implicitly negative, this making any change seem like weakness, and therefore making people reluctant to do it even when they should.
Well, the story is that BoZo refused a National lockdown when SAGE requested it. The cartoon posted upthread is 6 weeks old.
Now the story is everyone else in Europe is locking down, BoZo is isolated, so now he wants to do it, which might be an acceptable change in position, except he now can't announce it because his backbenchers won't let him, which makes him weak...
He's been weak since he blew his entire honeymoon capital on saving Cummo.
We might as well be steering the ship ourselves, for all the value he is adding.
I read the thread and have still no idea what is supposed to be so offensive about it.
The implication that the Jews wanted an innocent man's head on a plate.
Simple as that.
I can see that, for a Corbynite, the imagery works; the brave innocent prophet beheaded by the weak "leader" to satisfy the indulged and kinky niece. It's a tempting image to use, and in some ways a powerful one.
But it can't help get tangled up with some of the original antisemitic tropes, and when the presenting issue is antisemitism, it's crass to even think about going there. That's why creatives need editors.
What is Steve Bell's status at the Grauniad? He's been there since the days of Thatch, hasn't he? Is he basically like Matt at the Telegraph; his departure is literally unthinkable?
Matt is one of the very few things that might persuade me to by a copy of the Telegraph (the crossword being the other: I’m not bright enough to do the Times). Bell is one of the reasons I wouldn’t buy a copy of the Guardian.
Ok, because of the kerfuffle I ran the cartoon past a professional cartoonist, who incidentally hadn't seen it before and wasn't aware of the AS concerns.
We concluded it's a good cartoon cartoon idea, but the execution is poor (no pun intended). The main trouble is that Starmer is unrecognisable. He looks more like Cameron! What's more, he's been made to look effete. The reason for this is unclear, and doesn't seem to serve any comedic or political purpose. (Corbyn is also a poor likeness but that matters less.)
This is a shame because the idea of Starmer decapitating metaphorically his adversary is a strong one, especially as real beheadings are very much in the news.
Is it anti-semitic? Not in a million years. There's no Jewish trope here, and no caricature that could be interpreted as such.
Like Foxy says, "The implication that the Jews wanted an innocent man's head on a plate."
So that's NOT anti-semitic? Sorry, but think you are wrong here. Trouble is not crap drawing but rather loaded, coded message.
Also, this cartoonist was "unaware of the anti-Semitic issue" and this is when he, or she, is judging a cartoon, which is all about a politician cashiered for anti-Semitism?
That's utterly ridiculous. Anti-Semitism is THE central issue here, it is the reason for the cartoon's existence. So if you are unaware of that you can't have any opinion on the image, as you are clueless of the vital context.
Stock markets looking a bit sickly this evening. Particularly the US, which has furthest to fall.
Yep. Been a tough week for my stocks, but am sticking to them. Fairly defensive position, and I think Asia will recover quite well, and EZ figures not too bad for Q3.
EZ figures not too bad?
Germany is now reporting 18,653 cases today. The second worst day yet, I believe (yesterday was THE worst). And they don't test as much as others.
That's an excellent thread at explaining it better than I did.
The thing is for all the people saying they're not sure it's anti-Semitic because they didn't get the reference ... Well Bell did get the reference. Bell knew what he was doing. He was deliberately portraying Corbyn as the John the Baptist sacrificed improperly. He was deliberately downplaying the EHRC report etc. And the Guardian printed it deliberately. Whether others get the reference or not.
It's a cartoon. I don't think it's very funny. It's in bad taste at best, and anti-semitic at worst. I suspect the Guardian editor should have pulled it before publication.
But I'm not sure that we can get quite so queasy about it when, as far as I can tell, the majority of us (PB or UK) defended the absolute right of Charlie Hebdo to publish their cartoons, which others certainly found offensive.
If i had a fiver for every time the Guardian editor let a Steve Bell cartoon through that was both unfunny and offensive...
Cracking cartoon. The story is in the universal human myth kitty, so it's no good any particular religion trying to claim offence-taking rights.
And a wowzer of a message. Salome was the epitome of mindless, sleazy, people-pleasing evil - turning on her dad in a strip show in order to procure a murder just to please her mum - mum being presumably being one or both of the Blairites and the Jews. Golly.
It is nuts to think that this is SKS's defeat of militant moment, or that he won it. The militant thing would not in 1m years have inspired that cartoon.
Step-dad, no? EDIT Yes, and half-uncle. That's a saucy story.
Yes, sorry.
It's really very confusing. If I'm following it right, her step-father, father and grandfather were all brothers, and so half-uncles to her mother Herodias, who was daughter of Aristobulus, and married his brothers Herod II (father of Salome) and Herod Antipas (stepfather of Salome)
I read the thread and have still no idea what is supposed to be so offensive about it.
The implication that the Jews wanted an innocent man's head on a plate.
Simple as that.
I can see that, for a Corbynite, the imagery works; the brave innocent prophet beheaded by the weak "leader" to satisfy the indulged and kinky niece. It's a tempting image to use, and in some ways a powerful one.
But it can't help get tangled up with some of the original antisemitic tropes, and when the presenting issue is antisemitism, it's crass to even think about going there. That's why creatives need editors.
What is Steve Bell's status at the Grauniad? He's been there since the days of Thatch, hasn't he? Is he basically like Matt at the Telegraph; his departure is literally unthinkable?
Matt is one of the very few things that might persuade me to by a copy of the Telegraph (the crossword being the other: I’m not bright enough to do the Times). Bell is one of the reasons I wouldn’t buy a copy of the Guardian.
The Telegraph still has Alex, doesn't it?
I still haven't forgiven him for leaving the Independent.
Success in that it was timed to lockdown when Fleet Street/ London required a lockdown and was relaxed when Fleet Street / London required it relaxing.
Not as much of a success elsewhere.
Lockdown was and still is a disaster for London. Large swathes of the central city never reopened. And, now, they may never reopen as we know them.
and obviously far worse for those areas with tighter restrictions for far longer in much poorer parts of the country to start with.
Yes, indeed.
However in terms of the Exchequer the complete closure of much of central London is more pressing, as London provides a quarter of the nation's tax-take.
I walked down Charlotte Street about 3 weeks ago (before any new lockdown). It was desolate, 90% shuttered. No one there. And this is usually one of the most vibrant streets in our great capital, chocka with lovely independent restaurants, bars, vinotecas, shops, pubs.
It is tragic, and the tragedy is worsening. So the idea that the lockdown is being run for the benefit of London is utterly absurd.
Doctors in the Belgian city of Liège have been asked to keep working even if they have coronavirus amid a surge in cases and hospital admissions.
About a quarter of medical staff there are reportedly off sick with Covid-19.
Now 10 hospitals have requested that staff who have tested positive but do not have symptoms keep working.
The head of the Belgian Association of Medical Unions told the BBC they had no choice if they were to prevent the hospital system collapsing within days.
Stock markets looking a bit sickly this evening. Particularly the US, which has furthest to fall.
Yep. Been a tough week for my stocks, but am sticking to them. Fairly defensive position, and I think Asia will recover quite well, and EZ figures not too bad for Q3.
EZ figures not too bad?
Germany is now reporting 18,653 cases today. The second worst day yet, I believe (yesterday was THE worst). And they don't test as much as others.
Fair enough, but I think we are going to see an extremely nasty double dip. Because the 2nd wave is worse, across eastern and central Europe, now, as much as western Europe, and it is finally attacking Germany.
You are a brave man to have money in shares. Tho fuck knows where one should put money.
I read the thread and have still no idea what is supposed to be so offensive about it.
The implication that the Jews wanted an innocent man's head on a plate.
Simple as that.
I can see that, for a Corbynite, the imagery works; the brave innocent prophet beheaded by the weak "leader" to satisfy the indulged and kinky niece. It's a tempting image to use, and in some ways a powerful one.
But it can't help get tangled up with some of the original antisemitic tropes, and when the presenting issue is antisemitism, it's crass to even think about going there. That's why creatives need editors.
What is Steve Bell's status at the Grauniad? He's been there since the days of Thatch, hasn't he? Is he basically like Matt at the Telegraph; his departure is literally unthinkable?
Matt is one of the very few things that might persuade me to by a copy of the Telegraph (the crossword being the other: I’m not bright enough to do the Times). Bell is one of the reasons I wouldn’t buy a copy of the Guardian.
The Telegraph still has Alex, doesn't it?
I still haven't forgiven him for leaving the Independent.
Stock markets looking a bit sickly this evening. Particularly the US, which has furthest to fall.
Yep. Been a tough week for my stocks, but am sticking to them. Fairly defensive position, and I think Asia will recover quite well, and EZ figures not too bad for Q3.
EZ figures not too bad?
Germany is now reporting 18,653 cases today. The second worst day yet, I believe (yesterday was THE worst). And they don't test as much as others.
Ok, because of the kerfuffle I ran the cartoon past a professional cartoonist, who incidentally hadn't seen it before and wasn't aware of the AS concerns.
We concluded it's a good cartoon cartoon idea, but the execution is poor (no pun intended). The main trouble is that Starmer is unrecognisable. He looks more like Cameron! What's more, he's been made to look effete. The reason for this is unclear, and doesn't seem to serve any comedic or political purpose. (Corbyn is also a poor likeness but that matters less.)
This is a shame because the idea of Starmer decapitating metaphorically his adversary is a strong one, especially as real beheadings are very much in the news.
Is it anti-semitic? Not in a million years. There's no Jewish trope here, and no caricature that could be interpreted as such.
Like Foxy says, "The implication that the Jews wanted an innocent man's head on a plate."
So that's NOT anti-semitic? Sorry, but think you are wrong here. Trouble is not crap drawing but rather loaded, coded message.
Also, this cartoonist was "unaware of the anti-Semitic issue" and this is when he, or she, is judging a cartoon, which is all about a politician cashiered for anti-Semitism?
That's utterly ridiculous. Anti-Semitism is THE central issue here, it is the reason for the cartoon's existence. So if you are unaware of that you can't have any opinion on the image, as you are clueless of the vital context.
This is all a bit circular though. If Bell believes Corbyn was a saintly, holy fool quite innocent of antisemitism and too pure of heart to recognise it in others - and there are people who believe that, and Bell may be one of them - then arguably the cartoon is fair enough, because the worse anti-semitism is the worse trumped-up charges of antisemitism are.
What is really interesting is that Bell hates SKS almost as much as he hated Thatcher, and that the Guardian published this. The idea that Kier has masterfully lanced a militant like boil, so full speed ahead for the sunlit uplands, is laughable.
England Lockdown2 will probably start Fri 6 Nov or more likely Fri 13 Nov and will run for a month ie to the following Sun 6 Dec or Sun 13 Dec. Anything less than a month won't achieve its objectives.
It will be 'Tier 4' with no pubs, restaurants or non-essential retail but with at least partial school opening.
It will be billed as time-limited to the month and the government will offer some social distancing relaxation over Christmas as a 'carrot' to encourage compliance.
Stock markets looking a bit sickly this evening. Particularly the US, which has furthest to fall.
Yep. Been a tough week for my stocks, but am sticking to them. Fairly defensive position, and I think Asia will recover quite well, and EZ figures not too bad for Q3.
EZ figures not too bad?
Germany is now reporting 18,653 cases today. The second worst day yet, I believe (yesterday was THE worst). And they don't test as much as others.
Fair enough, but I think we are going to see an extremely nasty double dip. Because the 2nd wave is worse, across eastern and central Europe, now, as much as western Europe, and it is finally attacking Germany.
You are a brave man to have money in shares. Tho fuck knows where one should put money.
Mostly in resilient defensive stocks unlikely to be seriously adversely affected by covid. No airlines, or retail businesses. Down about 5% on the week, but should recover.
Success in that it was timed to lockdown when Fleet Street/ London required a lockdown and was relaxed when Fleet Street / London required it relaxing.
Not as much of a success elsewhere.
Lockdown was and still is a disaster for London. Large swathes of the central city never reopened. And, now, they may never reopen as we know them.
and obviously far worse for those areas with tighter restrictions for far longer in much poorer parts of the country to start with.
Yes, indeed.
However in terms of the Exchequer the complete closure of much of central London is more pressing, as London provides a quarter of the nation's tax-take.
I walked down Charlotte Street about 3 weeks ago (before any new lockdown). It was desolate, 90% shuttered. No one there. And this is usually one of the most vibrant streets in our great capital, chocka with lovely independent restaurants, bars, vinotecas, shops, pubs.
It is tragic, and the tragedy is worsening. So the idea that the lockdown is being run for the benefit of London is utterly absurd.
Indeed
We already know whatever the affect on London will be is far more important than anywhere else and policy is therefore suited to deal with that.
It's why the current centralised nation is falling apart with outrage growing all over the place.
In an earlier post, I erroneously said that African American turnout was down in North Carolina in 2020.
That was incorrect.
In 2016, White turnout was 71% and African American was 64%, a seven point gap.
Right now, African American turnout is 51%, while White is 55%. This is a closing of the gap, relative to 2016.
However, African Americans are not turning out in the same numbers that they did in 2008, when Obama won the state. In that year AA turnout of 73% exceeded White turnout of 71%.
Ok, because of the kerfuffle I ran the cartoon past a professional cartoonist, who incidentally hadn't seen it before and wasn't aware of the AS concerns.
We concluded it's a good cartoon cartoon idea, but the execution is poor (no pun intended). The main trouble is that Starmer is unrecognisable. He looks more like Cameron! What's more, he's been made to look effete. The reason for this is unclear, and doesn't seem to serve any comedic or political purpose. (Corbyn is also a poor likeness but that matters less.)
This is a shame because the idea of Starmer decapitating metaphorically his adversary is a strong one, especially as real beheadings are very much in the news.
Is it anti-semitic? Not in a million years. There's no Jewish trope here, and no caricature that could be interpreted as such.
Like Foxy says, "The implication that the Jews wanted an innocent man's head on a plate."
So that's NOT anti-semitic? Sorry, but think you are wrong here. Trouble is not crap drawing but rather loaded, coded message.
Also, this cartoonist was "unaware of the anti-Semitic issue" and this is when he, or she, is judging a cartoon, which is all about a politician cashiered for anti-Semitism?
That's utterly ridiculous. Anti-Semitism is THE central issue here, it is the reason for the cartoon's existence. So if you are unaware of that you can't have any opinion on the image, as you are clueless of the vital context.
This is all a bit circular though. If Bell believes Corbyn was a saintly, holy fool quite innocent of antisemitism and too pure of heart to recognise it in others - and there are people who believe that, and Bell may be one of them - then arguably the cartoon is fair enough, because the worse anti-semitism is the worse trumped-up charges of antisemitism are.
What is really interesting is that Bell hates SKS almost as much as he hated Thatcher, and that the Guardian published this. The idea that Kier has masterfully lanced a militant like boil, so full speed ahead for the sunlit uplands, is laughable.
What is truly striking here is that
1. Steve Bell has a history of allegedly racist/anti-Semitic cartoons
and
2. He was supposedly leaving the Guardian because of this
Yet they have kept him? Perhaps they did a focus-group and discovered that 19 of their remaining 37 readers, mostly in Luton and Bradford, are outright anti-Semites, so he's popular
Ok, because of the kerfuffle I ran the cartoon past a professional cartoonist, who incidentally hadn't seen it before and wasn't aware of the AS concerns.
We concluded it's a good cartoon cartoon idea, but the execution is poor (no pun intended). The main trouble is that Starmer is unrecognisable. He looks more like Cameron! What's more, he's been made to look effete. The reason for this is unclear, and doesn't seem to serve any comedic or political purpose. (Corbyn is also a poor likeness but that matters less.)
This is a shame because the idea of Starmer decapitating metaphorically his adversary is a strong one, especially as real beheadings are very much in the news.
Is it anti-semitic? Not in a million years. There's no Jewish trope here, and no caricature that could be interpreted as such.
Like Foxy says, "The implication that the Jews wanted an innocent man's head on a plate."
So that's NOT anti-semitic? Sorry, but think you are wrong here. Trouble is not crap drawing but rather loaded, coded message.
But there is no implication in the cartoon that it is Jews wanting the head on a platter. It is Starmer, looking remarkably like Cameron for some reason.
Was Salome Jewish? Was Jewishness germane to the original story? It's all a bit far-fetched.
Stock markets looking a bit sickly this evening. Particularly the US, which has furthest to fall.
Yep. Been a tough week for my stocks, but am sticking to them. Fairly defensive position, and I think Asia will recover quite well, and EZ figures not too bad for Q3.
EZ figures not too bad?
Germany is now reporting 18,653 cases today. The second worst day yet, I believe (yesterday was THE worst). And they don't test as much as others.
Fair enough, but I think we are going to see an extremely nasty double dip. Because the 2nd wave is worse, across eastern and central Europe, now, as much as western Europe, and it is finally attacking Germany.
You are a brave man to have money in shares. Tho fuck knows where one should put money.
Both the Eurozone and the US are slipping back into recession. It'll be worse in Europe (and in the colder parts of the US), but surprisingly liveable in places like Los Angeles, where bars are restaurants spill out onto the streets year round, and the beach is pleasant, even on New Year's day.
Ok, because of the kerfuffle I ran the cartoon past a professional cartoonist, who incidentally hadn't seen it before and wasn't aware of the AS concerns.
We concluded it's a good cartoon cartoon idea, but the execution is poor (no pun intended). The main trouble is that Starmer is unrecognisable. He looks more like Cameron! What's more, he's been made to look effete. The reason for this is unclear, and doesn't seem to serve any comedic or political purpose. (Corbyn is also a poor likeness but that matters less.)
This is a shame because the idea of Starmer decapitating metaphorically his adversary is a strong one, especially as real beheadings are very much in the news.
Is it anti-semitic? Not in a million years. There's no Jewish trope here, and no caricature that could be interpreted as such.
Like Foxy says, "The implication that the Jews wanted an innocent man's head on a plate."
So that's NOT anti-semitic? Sorry, but think you are wrong here. Trouble is not crap drawing but rather loaded, coded message.
Also, this cartoonist was "unaware of the anti-Semitic issue" and this is when he, or she, is judging a cartoon, which is all about a politician cashiered for anti-Semitism?
That's utterly ridiculous. Anti-Semitism is THE central issue here, it is the reason for the cartoon's existence. So if you are unaware of that you can't have any opinion on the image, as you are clueless of the vital context.
This is all a bit circular though. If Bell believes Corbyn was a saintly, holy fool quite innocent of antisemitism and too pure of heart to recognise it in others - and there are people who believe that, and Bell may be one of them - then arguably the cartoon is fair enough, because the worse anti-semitism is the worse trumped-up charges of antisemitism are.
What is really interesting is that Bell hates SKS almost as much as he hated Thatcher, and that the Guardian published this. The idea that Kier has masterfully lanced a militant like boil, so full speed ahead for the sunlit uplands, is laughable.
What is truly striking here is that
1. Steve Bell has a history of allegedly racist/anti-Semitic cartoons
and
2. He was supposedly leaving the Guardian because of this
Yet they have kept him? Perhaps they did a focus-group and discovered that 19 of their remaining 37 readers, mostly in Luton and Bradford, are outright anti-Semites, so he's popular
England Lockdown2 will probably start Fri 6 Nov or more likely Fri 13 Nov and will run for a month ie to the following Sun 6 Dec or Sun 13 Dec. Anything less than a month won't achieve its objectives.
It will be 'Tier 4' with no pubs, restaurants or non-essential retail but with at least partial school opening.
It will be billed as time-limited to the month and the government will offer some social distancing relaxation over Christmas as a 'carrot' to encourage compliance.
Ok, because of the kerfuffle I ran the cartoon past a professional cartoonist, who incidentally hadn't seen it before and wasn't aware of the AS concerns.
We concluded it's a good cartoon cartoon idea, but the execution is poor (no pun intended). The main trouble is that Starmer is unrecognisable. He looks more like Cameron! What's more, he's been made to look effete. The reason for this is unclear, and doesn't seem to serve any comedic or political purpose. (Corbyn is also a poor likeness but that matters less.)
This is a shame because the idea of Starmer decapitating metaphorically his adversary is a strong one, especially as real beheadings are very much in the news.
Is it anti-semitic? Not in a million years. There's no Jewish trope here, and no caricature that could be interpreted as such.
Like Foxy says, "The implication that the Jews wanted an innocent man's head on a plate."
So that's NOT anti-semitic? Sorry, but think you are wrong here. Trouble is not crap drawing but rather loaded, coded message.
Also, this cartoonist was "unaware of the anti-Semitic issue" and this is when he, or she, is judging a cartoon, which is all about a politician cashiered for anti-Semitism?
That's utterly ridiculous. Anti-Semitism is THE central issue here, it is the reason for the cartoon's existence. So if you are unaware of that you can't have any opinion on the image, as you are clueless of the vital context.
Quite. IF the issue had been the removal of a politco for something NOT related to anti-semitism, then what PtP says would make sense. But that is NOT the case here.
Reminds me of a famous remark made by David Lloyd George in reference to a rival within the Liberal Party:
"When they circumcised Herbert Samuels, they threw away the wrong bit."
Which is pretty funny, esp. for Americans for whom (male) circumcision is commonplace regardless of religion, and has been for a long time.
BUT the anti-semitism behind DLG's remark re: a Jewish politico, in context of early-20th Britain, is unmistakable.
Stock markets looking a bit sickly this evening. Particularly the US, which has furthest to fall.
Yep. Been a tough week for my stocks, but am sticking to them. Fairly defensive position, and I think Asia will recover quite well, and EZ figures not too bad for Q3.
EZ figures not too bad?
Germany is now reporting 18,653 cases today. The second worst day yet, I believe (yesterday was THE worst). And they don't test as much as others.
Fair enough, but I think we are going to see an extremely nasty double dip. Because the 2nd wave is worse, across eastern and central Europe, now, as much as western Europe, and it is finally attacking Germany.
You are a brave man to have money in shares. Tho fuck knows where one should put money.
Both the Eurozone and the US are slipping back into recession. It'll be worse in Europe (and in the colder parts of the US), but surprisingly liveable in places like Los Angeles, where bars are restaurants spill out onto the streets year round, and the beach is pleasant, even on New Year's day.
England Lockdown2 will probably start Fri 6 Nov or more likely Fri 13 Nov and will run for a month ie to the following Sun 6 Dec or Sun 13 Dec. Anything less than a month won't achieve its objectives.
It will be 'Tier 4' with no pubs, restaurants or non-essential retail but with at least partial school opening.
It will be billed as time-limited to the month and the government will offer some social distancing relaxation over Christmas as a 'carrot' to encourage compliance.
Which will completely undo any benefit of t4
Probably. So we will probably have state ordered 'Dry January' ie a repeat from mid Jan (when the cases have gone up again) to mid Feb.
Ok, because of the kerfuffle I ran the cartoon past a professional cartoonist, who incidentally hadn't seen it before and wasn't aware of the AS concerns.
We concluded it's a good cartoon cartoon idea, but the execution is poor (no pun intended). The main trouble is that Starmer is unrecognisable. He looks more like Cameron! What's more, he's been made to look effete. The reason for this is unclear, and doesn't seem to serve any comedic or political purpose. (Corbyn is also a poor likeness but that matters less.)
This is a shame because the idea of Starmer decapitating metaphorically his adversary is a strong one, especially as real beheadings are very much in the news.
Is it anti-semitic? Not in a million years. There's no Jewish trope here, and no caricature that could be interpreted as such.
Like Foxy says, "The implication that the Jews wanted an innocent man's head on a plate."
So that's NOT anti-semitic? Sorry, but think you are wrong here. Trouble is not crap drawing but rather loaded, coded message.
But there is no implication in the cartoon that it is Jews wanting the head on a platter. It is Starmer, looking remarkably like Cameron for some reason.
Was Salome Jewish? Was Jewishness germane to the original story? It's all a bit far-fetched.
Mate, the story first appears in the fucking Bible. You know "the Bible"? It has a lot of Jewish input.
Both the Eurozone and the US are slipping back into recession. It'll be worse in Europe (and in the colder parts of the US), but surprisingly liveable in places like Los Angeles, where bars are restaurants spill out onto the streets year round, and the beach is pleasant, even on New Year's day.
LA may be decent on New Year's Day but I much prefer Palm Springs for New Year.
Ok, because of the kerfuffle I ran the cartoon past a professional cartoonist, who incidentally hadn't seen it before and wasn't aware of the AS concerns.
We concluded it's a good cartoon cartoon idea, but the execution is poor (no pun intended). The main trouble is that Starmer is unrecognisable. He looks more like Cameron! What's more, he's been made to look effete. The reason for this is unclear, and doesn't seem to serve any comedic or political purpose. (Corbyn is also a poor likeness but that matters less.)
This is a shame because the idea of Starmer decapitating metaphorically his adversary is a strong one, especially as real beheadings are very much in the news.
Is it anti-semitic? Not in a million years. There's no Jewish trope here, and no caricature that could be interpreted as such.
Like Foxy says, "The implication that the Jews wanted an innocent man's head on a plate."
So that's NOT anti-semitic? Sorry, but think you are wrong here. Trouble is not crap drawing but rather loaded, coded message.
But there is no implication in the cartoon that it is Jews wanting the head on a platter. It is Starmer, looking remarkably like Cameron for some reason.
Was Salome Jewish? Was Jewishness germane to the original story? It's all a bit far-fetched.
Jews and anti-Semitism as an issue is rather germane to the whole issue of why Corbyn has been sacked are they not?
England Lockdown2 will probably start Fri 6 Nov or more likely Fri 13 Nov and will run for a month ie to the following Sun 6 Dec or Sun 13 Dec. Anything less than a month won't achieve its objectives.
It will be 'Tier 4' with no pubs, restaurants or non-essential retail but with at least partial school opening.
It will be billed as time-limited to the month and the government will offer some social distancing relaxation over Christmas as a 'carrot' to encourage compliance.
Which will completely undo any benefit of t4
Probably. So we will probably have state ordered 'Dry January' ie a repeat from mid Jan (when the cases have gone up again) to mid Feb.
Doesn't it make sense to tell the population we are moving into a 6+4 approach until there is a vaccine.
6 weeks of totally open economy.
4 weeks of total (Spanish style) lockdown (coincided with school holidays).
Gives business a chance to plan and everyone understands what to expect.
Ok, because of the kerfuffle I ran the cartoon past a professional cartoonist, who incidentally hadn't seen it before and wasn't aware of the AS concerns.
We concluded it's a good cartoon cartoon idea, but the execution is poor (no pun intended). The main trouble is that Starmer is unrecognisable. He looks more like Cameron! What's more, he's been made to look effete. The reason for this is unclear, and doesn't seem to serve any comedic or political purpose. (Corbyn is also a poor likeness but that matters less.)
This is a shame because the idea of Starmer decapitating metaphorically his adversary is a strong one, especially as real beheadings are very much in the news.
Is it anti-semitic? Not in a million years. There's no Jewish trope here, and no caricature that could be interpreted as such.
Like Foxy says, "The implication that the Jews wanted an innocent man's head on a plate."
So that's NOT anti-semitic? Sorry, but think you are wrong here. Trouble is not crap drawing but rather loaded, coded message.
Not getting involved in this one, except to point out pedantically that John the Baptist was undoubtedly Jewish and the genuine article and Herod Antipas was not, being among other things of Edomite descent. That Guardian bloke is a terrible cartoonist anyway.
Success in that it was timed to lockdown when Fleet Street/ London required a lockdown and was relaxed when Fleet Street / London required it relaxing.
Not as much of a success elsewhere.
Lockdown was and still is a disaster for London. Large swathes of the central city never reopened. And, now, they may never reopen as we know them.
and obviously far worse for those areas with tighter restrictions for far longer in much poorer parts of the country to start with.
Yes, indeed.
However in terms of the Exchequer the complete closure of much of central London is more pressing, as London provides a quarter of the nation's tax-take.
I walked down Charlotte Street about 3 weeks ago (before any new lockdown). It was desolate, 90% shuttered. No one there. And this is usually one of the most vibrant streets in our great capital, chocka with lovely independent restaurants, bars, vinotecas, shops, pubs.
It is tragic, and the tragedy is worsening. So the idea that the lockdown is being run for the benefit of London is utterly absurd.
I can safely say that the lockdown didn't result in the closure of any vinotecas round our way.
If the Government and scientists are going to continue to brief that the "real" figures are much worse than the figures which are being published daily, and don't look anything like as bad as what they are saying, shouldn't they change their publishing strategy? we have the govt simulataneously saying that R has come from 1.3-1.5 to 1.2-1.4 to (now) 1.1-1.3 in a matter of weeks but somehow it's going to meet some impenetrable barrier that means really everything is getting much worse?
What was all the stuff about R in London being 2.86 yesterday - is that REALLY the reality? The published figures don't suggest that, and certainly the hospitalisations don't (yet).
Didn't they claim that new infections in London were doubling every 3.3 days ?
Which is a quadrupling every week.
There's zero evidence of that on the daily published data.
The various studies of the virus are showing that the real infection rate is growing far faster than the rate recorded by the main testing program.
They are working out the real infection rate by testing a random sample of the population and then applying poll style adjustments to make sure the results are representative.
So they're saying that their testing samples are right and that the over 300k official tests per day are wrong ?
So where are all these extra cases ?
And do they give an estimate of the number of asymptomatic cases ?
I'm just confused as to why the testing data barely seems to be picking it up at all. Something that isn't, incidentally happening in other countries - look at what has happened in Italy over the last couple of weeks for example.
The problem with the ONS vs testing data is that depending on your viewpoint it could be both scary or reassuring. Because the ONS data is always 2 weeks old so one point of view is that the testing is rapidly diverging and current numbers are very hidden. The other is that the ONS model projections are failing to recognise that things are slowing down - something which is evidenced by the testing data.
The ONS isn't projecting from a model - they are estimating infections from a sample, then applying standard polling style corrections for the sample of people. Think ICM for COVID.
The 300K of COVID tests a day are testing those who are obviously sick, and these around them.
It's worth remembering that estimates of the asymptomatic cases go up to 80%.
You misunderstand. I know how the ONS get their data. My point is that the ONS data is two weeks old. So people make projections forward from it to today.
Both the Eurozone and the US are slipping back into recession. It'll be worse in Europe (and in the colder parts of the US), but surprisingly liveable in places like Los Angeles, where bars are restaurants spill out onto the streets year round, and the beach is pleasant, even on New Year's day.
LA may be decent on New Year's Day but I much prefer Palm Springs for New Year.
Palm Springs is sadly much declined. Ten years ago it was on its way to being California's first properly Mediterranean city. Walkable downtown, cycles everywhere, a glorious climate, bars and restaurants all al fresco and lovely and yay.
The same problems of drugs and homelessness have assailed it as elsewhere in California. The rich retreat to gated communities, and villas with pools, like the late Romans before the Vandals won.
Ok, because of the kerfuffle I ran the cartoon past a professional cartoonist, who incidentally hadn't seen it before and wasn't aware of the AS concerns.
We concluded it's a good cartoon cartoon idea, but the execution is poor (no pun intended). The main trouble is that Starmer is unrecognisable. He looks more like Cameron! What's more, he's been made to look effete. The reason for this is unclear, and doesn't seem to serve any comedic or political purpose. (Corbyn is also a poor likeness but that matters less.)
This is a shame because the idea of Starmer decapitating metaphorically his adversary is a strong one, especially as real beheadings are very much in the news.
Is it anti-semitic? Not in a million years. There's no Jewish trope here, and no caricature that could be interpreted as such.
Like Foxy says, "The implication that the Jews wanted an innocent man's head on a plate."
So that's NOT anti-semitic? Sorry, but think you are wrong here. Trouble is not crap drawing but rather loaded, coded message.
But there is no implication in the cartoon that it is Jews wanting the head on a platter. It is Starmer, looking remarkably like Cameron for some reason.
Was Salome Jewish? Was Jewishness germane to the original story? It's all a bit far-fetched.
Mate, the story first appears in the fucking Bible. You know "the Bible"? It has a lot of Jewish input.
Ok, because of the kerfuffle I ran the cartoon past a professional cartoonist, who incidentally hadn't seen it before and wasn't aware of the AS concerns.
We concluded it's a good cartoon cartoon idea, but the execution is poor (no pun intended). The main trouble is that Starmer is unrecognisable. He looks more like Cameron! What's more, he's been made to look effete. The reason for this is unclear, and doesn't seem to serve any comedic or political purpose. (Corbyn is also a poor likeness but that matters less.)
This is a shame because the idea of Starmer decapitating metaphorically his adversary is a strong one, especially as real beheadings are very much in the news.
Is it anti-semitic? Not in a million years. There's no Jewish trope here, and no caricature that could be interpreted as such.
Like Foxy says, "The implication that the Jews wanted an innocent man's head on a plate."
So that's NOT anti-semitic? Sorry, but think you are wrong here. Trouble is not crap drawing but rather loaded, coded message.
But there is no implication in the cartoon that it is Jews wanting the head on a platter. It is Starmer, looking remarkably like Cameron for some reason.
Was Salome Jewish? Was Jewishness germane to the original story? It's all a bit far-fetched.
Mate, the story first appears in the fucking Bible. You know "the Bible"? It has a lot of Jewish input.
So weren't all the principals 'Jewish', for whatever it's worth? Not sure what your point is.
All I'm saying is I didn't see this as an AS cartoon and when I showed it to a professional cartoonist (who had previously been oblivious to the kerfuffle) the response was same as mine (plus a few comments on its general quality or lack of it.)
Ok, because of the kerfuffle I ran the cartoon past a professional cartoonist, who incidentally hadn't seen it before and wasn't aware of the AS concerns.
We concluded it's a good cartoon cartoon idea, but the execution is poor (no pun intended). The main trouble is that Starmer is unrecognisable. He looks more like Cameron! What's more, he's been made to look effete. The reason for this is unclear, and doesn't seem to serve any comedic or political purpose. (Corbyn is also a poor likeness but that matters less.)
This is a shame because the idea of Starmer decapitating metaphorically his adversary is a strong one, especially as real beheadings are very much in the news.
Is it anti-semitic? Not in a million years. There's no Jewish trope here, and no caricature that could be interpreted as such.
Like Foxy says, "The implication that the Jews wanted an innocent man's head on a plate."
So that's NOT anti-semitic? Sorry, but think you are wrong here. Trouble is not crap drawing but rather loaded, coded message.
But there is no implication in the cartoon that it is Jews wanting the head on a platter. It is Starmer, looking remarkably like Cameron for some reason.
Was Salome Jewish? Was Jewishness germane to the original story? It's all a bit far-fetched.
I was not aware of the biblical story or the artwork, but now knowing the background it seems far fetched to disassociate jewishness from the original story, even if it is accepted no intent in the cartoon.
Ok, because of the kerfuffle I ran the cartoon past a professional cartoonist, who incidentally hadn't seen it before and wasn't aware of the AS concerns.
We concluded it's a good cartoon cartoon idea, but the execution is poor (no pun intended). The main trouble is that Starmer is unrecognisable. He looks more like Cameron! What's more, he's been made to look effete. The reason for this is unclear, and doesn't seem to serve any comedic or political purpose. (Corbyn is also a poor likeness but that matters less.)
This is a shame because the idea of Starmer decapitating metaphorically his adversary is a strong one, especially as real beheadings are very much in the news.
Is it anti-semitic? Not in a million years. There's no Jewish trope here, and no caricature that could be interpreted as such.
Like Foxy says, "The implication that the Jews wanted an innocent man's head on a plate."
So that's NOT anti-semitic? Sorry, but think you are wrong here. Trouble is not crap drawing but rather loaded, coded message.
But there is no implication in the cartoon that it is Jews wanting the head on a platter. It is Starmer, looking remarkably like Cameron for some reason.
Was Salome Jewish? Was Jewishness germane to the original story? It's all a bit far-fetched.
I was not aware of the biblical story or the artwork, but now knowing the background it seems far fetched to disassociate jewishness from the original story, even if it is accepted no intent in the cartoon.
That's the thing, you may have not been aware of the artwork but he did and he names the artist in the text on his cartoon too. So it was a deliberate link.
On a day dominated by talk about anti-Semitism that is the cartoon that was done in response. 🤔
538 has Trump drifting down to a 10% chance now I see.
IIRC he they had him as a 28% chance going into the 2016 election.
They're still overstating his chances.
They've certainly put them higher than most, although I would think they have it about right. PA and Florida are not entirely clear yet, so it could at a pinch be a rerun of 2016 but I don't see it somehow.
England Lockdown2 will probably start Fri 6 Nov or more likely Fri 13 Nov and will run for a month ie to the following Sun 6 Dec or Sun 13 Dec. Anything less than a month won't achieve its objectives.
It will be 'Tier 4' with no pubs, restaurants or non-essential retail but with at least partial school opening.
It will be billed as time-limited to the month and the government will offer some social distancing relaxation over Christmas as a 'carrot' to encourage compliance.
The idea that policy on tackling Covid in England/the UK should be being driven by ability to mix at Christmas is one of the most ridiculous things going on. What's the point in shutting everything down, destroying jobs and businesses, just so we can have a 3 day knees up and a massive hangover in the new year? If ever this was an idea being driven by the Press...
Ok, because of the kerfuffle I ran the cartoon past a professional cartoonist, who incidentally hadn't seen it before and wasn't aware of the AS concerns.
We concluded it's a good cartoon cartoon idea, but the execution is poor (no pun intended). The main trouble is that Starmer is unrecognisable. He looks more like Cameron! What's more, he's been made to look effete. The reason for this is unclear, and doesn't seem to serve any comedic or political purpose. (Corbyn is also a poor likeness but that matters less.)
This is a shame because the idea of Starmer decapitating metaphorically his adversary is a strong one, especially as real beheadings are very much in the news.
Is it anti-semitic? Not in a million years. There's no Jewish trope here, and no caricature that could be interpreted as such.
Like Foxy says, "The implication that the Jews wanted an innocent man's head on a plate."
So that's NOT anti-semitic? Sorry, but think you are wrong here. Trouble is not crap drawing but rather loaded, coded message.
But there is no implication in the cartoon that it is Jews wanting the head on a platter. It is Starmer, looking remarkably like Cameron for some reason.
Was Salome Jewish? Was Jewishness germane to the original story? It's all a bit far-fetched.
Mate, the story first appears in the fucking Bible. You know "the Bible"? It has a lot of Jewish input.
Ok, because of the kerfuffle I ran the cartoon past a professional cartoonist, who incidentally hadn't seen it before and wasn't aware of the AS concerns.
We concluded it's a good cartoon cartoon idea, but the execution is poor (no pun intended). The main trouble is that Starmer is unrecognisable. He looks more like Cameron! What's more, he's been made to look effete. The reason for this is unclear, and doesn't seem to serve any comedic or political purpose. (Corbyn is also a poor likeness but that matters less.)
This is a shame because the idea of Starmer decapitating metaphorically his adversary is a strong one, especially as real beheadings are very much in the news.
Is it anti-semitic? Not in a million years. There's no Jewish trope here, and no caricature that could be interpreted as such.
Like Foxy says, "The implication that the Jews wanted an innocent man's head on a plate."
So that's NOT anti-semitic? Sorry, but think you are wrong here. Trouble is not crap drawing but rather loaded, coded message.
But there is no implication in the cartoon that it is Jews wanting the head on a platter. It is Starmer, looking remarkably like Cameron for some reason.
Was Salome Jewish? Was Jewishness germane to the original story? It's all a bit far-fetched.
Mate, the story first appears in the fucking Bible. You know "the Bible"? It has a lot of Jewish input.
So weren't all the principals 'Jewish', for whatever it's worth? Not sure what your point is.
All I'm saying is I didn't see this as an AS cartoon and when I showed it to a professional cartoonist (who had previously been oblivious to the kerfuffle) the response was same as mine (plus a few comments on its general quality or lack of it.)
Problem?
Sigh,
Let's just put it this way, As a professional newt painter, if I did a painting of a naked barely-legal newt during a period of alarm about shameful young newt-abuse, I would hope a decent editor would take me aside and say "Not today, LadyG, not today"
The fact that Bell drew this is not surprising (let's be kind and say: he loves to provoke); a sensible editor should have winced immediately and said NO. Why didn't they? Either they intended to annoy. agitate and further poison the atmosphere (great, thanks Guardian) or they are just dim.
Ok, because of the kerfuffle I ran the cartoon past a professional cartoonist, who incidentally hadn't seen it before and wasn't aware of the AS concerns.
We concluded it's a good cartoon cartoon idea, but the execution is poor (no pun intended). The main trouble is that Starmer is unrecognisable. He looks more like Cameron! What's more, he's been made to look effete. The reason for this is unclear, and doesn't seem to serve any comedic or political purpose. (Corbyn is also a poor likeness but that matters less.)
This is a shame because the idea of Starmer decapitating metaphorically his adversary is a strong one, especially as real beheadings are very much in the news.
Is it anti-semitic? Not in a million years. There's no Jewish trope here, and no caricature that could be interpreted as such.
Like Foxy says, "The implication that the Jews wanted an innocent man's head on a plate."
So that's NOT anti-semitic? Sorry, but think you are wrong here. Trouble is not crap drawing but rather loaded, coded message.
Also, this cartoonist was "unaware of the anti-Semitic issue" and this is when he, or she, is judging a cartoon, which is all about a politician cashiered for anti-Semitism?
That's utterly ridiculous. Anti-Semitism is THE central issue here, it is the reason for the cartoon's existence. So if you are unaware of that you can't have any opinion on the image, as you are clueless of the vital context.
Aren't we praising the French for publishing religiously offensive cartoons?
Both the Eurozone and the US are slipping back into recession. It'll be worse in Europe (and in the colder parts of the US), but surprisingly liveable in places like Los Angeles, where bars are restaurants spill out onto the streets year round, and the beach is pleasant, even on New Year's day.
LA may be decent on New Year's Day but I much prefer Palm Springs for New Year.
Palm Springs is sadly much declined. Ten years ago it was on its way to being California's first properly Mediterranean city. Walkable downtown, cycles everywhere, a glorious climate, bars and restaurants all al fresco and lovely and yay.
The same problems of drugs and homelessness have assailed it as elsewhere in California. The rich retreat to gated communities, and villas with pools, like the late Romans before the Vandals won.
Ok, because of the kerfuffle I ran the cartoon past a professional cartoonist, who incidentally hadn't seen it before and wasn't aware of the AS concerns.
We concluded it's a good cartoon cartoon idea, but the execution is poor (no pun intended). The main trouble is that Starmer is unrecognisable. He looks more like Cameron! What's more, he's been made to look effete. The reason for this is unclear, and doesn't seem to serve any comedic or political purpose. (Corbyn is also a poor likeness but that matters less.)
This is a shame because the idea of Starmer decapitating metaphorically his adversary is a strong one, especially as real beheadings are very much in the news.
Is it anti-semitic? Not in a million years. There's no Jewish trope here, and no caricature that could be interpreted as such.
Like Foxy says, "The implication that the Jews wanted an innocent man's head on a plate."
So that's NOT anti-semitic? Sorry, but think you are wrong here. Trouble is not crap drawing but rather loaded, coded message.
But there is no implication in the cartoon that it is Jews wanting the head on a platter. It is Starmer, looking remarkably like Cameron for some reason.
Was Salome Jewish? Was Jewishness germane to the original story? It's all a bit far-fetched.
Jews and anti-Semitism as an issue is rather germane to the whole issue of why Corbyn has been sacked are they not?
Yes, but there is nothing in the cartoon itself about Jews or AS. If you want ot make it AS, you have to bring that to the cartoon yourself. It's not there, in the work itself.
Ok, because of the kerfuffle I ran the cartoon past a professional cartoonist, who incidentally hadn't seen it before and wasn't aware of the AS concerns.
We concluded it's a good cartoon cartoon idea, but the execution is poor (no pun intended). The main trouble is that Starmer is unrecognisable. He looks more like Cameron! What's more, he's been made to look effete. The reason for this is unclear, and doesn't seem to serve any comedic or political purpose. (Corbyn is also a poor likeness but that matters less.)
This is a shame because the idea of Starmer decapitating metaphorically his adversary is a strong one, especially as real beheadings are very much in the news.
Is it anti-semitic? Not in a million years. There's no Jewish trope here, and no caricature that could be interpreted as such.
Like Foxy says, "The implication that the Jews wanted an innocent man's head on a plate."
So that's NOT anti-semitic? Sorry, but think you are wrong here. Trouble is not crap drawing but rather loaded, coded message.
But there is no implication in the cartoon that it is Jews wanting the head on a platter. It is Starmer, looking remarkably like Cameron for some reason.
Was Salome Jewish? Was Jewishness germane to the original story? It's all a bit far-fetched.
By "original story" assume you mean one in the Bible. Which centers on the execution of the man who first proclaimed Jesus the Messiah - a message ill-received by the Jewish religious establishment of that day.
Ok, because of the kerfuffle I ran the cartoon past a professional cartoonist, who incidentally hadn't seen it before and wasn't aware of the AS concerns.
We concluded it's a good cartoon cartoon idea, but the execution is poor (no pun intended). The main trouble is that Starmer is unrecognisable. He looks more like Cameron! What's more, he's been made to look effete. The reason for this is unclear, and doesn't seem to serve any comedic or political purpose. (Corbyn is also a poor likeness but that matters less.)
This is a shame because the idea of Starmer decapitating metaphorically his adversary is a strong one, especially as real beheadings are very much in the news.
Is it anti-semitic? Not in a million years. There's no Jewish trope here, and no caricature that could be interpreted as such.
Like Foxy says, "The implication that the Jews wanted an innocent man's head on a plate."
So that's NOT anti-semitic? Sorry, but think you are wrong here. Trouble is not crap drawing but rather loaded, coded message.
But there is no implication in the cartoon that it is Jews wanting the head on a platter. It is Starmer, looking remarkably like Cameron for some reason.
Was Salome Jewish? Was Jewishness germane to the original story? It's all a bit far-fetched.
Mate, the story first appears in the fucking Bible. You know "the Bible"? It has a lot of Jewish input.
Ok, because of the kerfuffle I ran the cartoon past a professional cartoonist, who incidentally hadn't seen it before and wasn't aware of the AS concerns.
We concluded it's a good cartoon cartoon idea, but the execution is poor (no pun intended). The main trouble is that Starmer is unrecognisable. He looks more like Cameron! What's more, he's been made to look effete. The reason for this is unclear, and doesn't seem to serve any comedic or political purpose. (Corbyn is also a poor likeness but that matters less.)
This is a shame because the idea of Starmer decapitating metaphorically his adversary is a strong one, especially as real beheadings are very much in the news.
Is it anti-semitic? Not in a million years. There's no Jewish trope here, and no caricature that could be interpreted as such.
Like Foxy says, "The implication that the Jews wanted an innocent man's head on a plate."
So that's NOT anti-semitic? Sorry, but think you are wrong here. Trouble is not crap drawing but rather loaded, coded message.
But there is no implication in the cartoon that it is Jews wanting the head on a platter. It is Starmer, looking remarkably like Cameron for some reason.
Was Salome Jewish? Was Jewishness germane to the original story? It's all a bit far-fetched.
Mate, the story first appears in the fucking Bible. You know "the Bible"? It has a lot of Jewish input.
So weren't all the principals 'Jewish', for whatever it's worth? Not sure what your point is.
All I'm saying is I didn't see this as an AS cartoon and when I showed it to a professional cartoonist (who had previously been oblivious to the kerfuffle) the response was same as mine (plus a few comments on its general quality or lack of it.)
Problem?
Sigh,
Let's just put it this way, As a professional newt painter, if I did a painting of a naked barely-legal newt during a period of alarm about shameful young newt-abuse, I would hope a decent editor would take me aside and say "Not today, LadyG, not today"
The fact that Bell drew this is not surprising (let's be kind and say: he loves to provoke); a sensible editor should have winced immediately and said NO. Why didn't they? Either they intended to annoy. agitate and further poison the atmosphere (great, thanks Guardian) or they are just dim.
It's a view.
You get back to your newts and I'll get back to the US Elections.
Not so much the MP for Bury North as one of the MPs the North will bury next time.
If that was Scotland there'd be a huge Britnat media offensive in favour of starving schoolchildren (I mean, actually depriving them further). I saw the office of Ian Murray which was reportedly vandalised bu nasty nats - just the one Yes sticker 1 inch across, plus the standard Edinburgh cooncil estate ned Toi graffiti with a felt tip pen which occurs on everything from waste bins to tortoise breeding facilities.
I'll be very suprised if this isn't spun as mass intimidation and vandalism.
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Germany is now reporting 18,653 cases today. The second worst day yet, I believe (yesterday was THE worst). And they don't test as much as others.
I can see that, for a Corbynite, the imagery works; the brave innocent prophet beheaded by the weak "leader" to satisfy the indulged and kinky niece. It's a tempting image to use, and in some ways a powerful one.
But it can't help get tangled up with some of the original antisemitic tropes, and when the presenting issue is antisemitism, it's crass to even think about going there. That's why creatives need editors.
What is Steve Bell's status at the Grauniad? He's been there since the days of Thatch, hasn't he? Is he basically like Matt at the Telegraph; his departure is literally unthinkable?
And it may be anti-semitic, it may not be. I can't read Steve Bell's mind. Your certainty about this is as logical as some people's absolute certainty as to the accuracy of Trafalgar polls, for example. Are you ever capable of some self-doubt, or are you really always right?
France
301020 49,215
231020 42,032
161020 25,086
091020 20,339
021020 12,148
Germany
301020 18,653 - not sure if this is complete yet
231020 13,476
161020 7,976
091020 4,964
021020 2,833
Italy
301020 31,084
231020 19,139
161020 10,010
091020 5,372
021020 2,498
Poland
301020 21,629
231020 13,632
161020 7,705
091020 4,739
021020 2,292
Spain
301020 25,595
231020 15,034
161020 16,170
091020 12,891
021020 10,539
UK
301020 24,405
231020 20,530
161020 15,650
091020 13,863
021020 11,754
Data from worldometer.
I seem to record, your Ladyship, that you reckoned deaths there would not exceed 175,000. My estimate was 200,000. Don't think either of us win any prizes.
It's probably also referencing that David Isaac the chair of EHRC is Jewish as are Starmer's wife and children.
Now the story is everyone else in Europe is locking down, BoZo is isolated, so now he wants to do it, which might be an acceptable change in position, except he now can't announce it because his backbenchers won't let him, which makes him weak...
And this schmuck used to be John McCain's sidekick. Interesting that Mini-Me lacks even a smidgeon of JMcC's fortitude.
And a wowzer of a message. Salome was the epitome of mindless, sleazy, people-pleasing evil - turning on her dad in a strip show in order to procure a murder just to please her mum - mum being presumably being one or both of the Blairites and the Jews. Golly.
It is nuts to think that this is SKS's defeat of militant moment, or that he won it. The militant thing would not in 1m years have inspired that cartoon.
The 300K of COVID tests a day are testing those who are obviously sick, and these around them.
It's worth remembering that estimates of the asymptomatic cases go up to 80%.
As soon as London gets to the verge of tier 3 we get national lockdown and proper financial support for affected businesses, several weeks and months too late for those in the north.
@Malmesbury, to answer your question from the previous topic. I no longer think the testing programme is picking up a high enough proportion of infections compared to the real infection rate. I'm not sure that we can reliably calculate the R from the case data, at least not on a very granular level, it may still be ok for regions and nationally.
France 20%
Germany ???
Italy 24%
Poland 28%
Spain 13%
UK 7%
By comparison Belgium is 31% and Czech Republic 34%.
So that's NOT anti-semitic? Sorry, but think you are wrong here. Trouble is not crap drawing but rather loaded, coded message.
Not as much of a success elsewhere.
We might as well be steering the ship ourselves, for all the value he is adding.
If 80% are asymptomatic then herd immunity is the only sensible strategy.
That's utterly ridiculous. Anti-Semitism is THE central issue here, it is the reason for the cartoon's existence. So if you are unaware of that you can't have any opinion on the image, as you are clueless of the vital context.
It is nasty, it could be seen as offensive, and ill timed, but tomorrow it will be fit for lining bird cages.
As The Iron Duke said, publish and be damned.
And can you imagine the uproar in this country if Little Johnny couldn't get a test ?
We had a brief taste of that in mid September.
https://twitter.com/Breaking24Seven/status/1322117830934974465?s=19
However in terms of the Exchequer the complete closure of much of central London is more pressing, as London provides a quarter of the nation's tax-take.
I walked down Charlotte Street about 3 weeks ago (before any new lockdown). It was desolate, 90% shuttered. No one there. And this is usually one of the most vibrant streets in our great capital, chocka with lovely independent restaurants, bars, vinotecas, shops, pubs.
It is tragic, and the tragedy is worsening. So the idea that the lockdown is being run for the benefit of London is utterly absurd.
Doctors in the Belgian city of Liège have been asked to keep working even if they have coronavirus amid a surge in cases and hospital admissions.
About a quarter of medical staff there are reportedly off sick with Covid-19.
Now 10 hospitals have requested that staff who have tested positive but do not have symptoms keep working.
The head of the Belgian Association of Medical Unions told the BBC they had no choice if they were to prevent the hospital system collapsing within days.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54688846
You are a brave man to have money in shares. Tho fuck knows where one should put money.
https://twitter.com/EricLevitz/status/1322245799682711553?s=19
What is really interesting is that Bell hates SKS almost as much as he hated Thatcher, and that the Guardian published this. The idea that Kier has masterfully lanced a militant like boil, so full speed ahead for the sunlit uplands, is laughable.
England Lockdown2 will probably start Fri 6 Nov or more likely Fri 13 Nov and will run for a month ie to the following Sun 6 Dec or Sun 13 Dec. Anything less than a month won't achieve its objectives.
It will be 'Tier 4' with no pubs, restaurants or non-essential retail but with at least partial school opening.
It will be billed as time-limited to the month and the government will offer some social distancing relaxation over Christmas as a 'carrot' to encourage compliance.
We already know whatever the affect on London will be is far more important than anywhere else and policy is therefore suited to deal with that.
It's why the current centralised nation is falling apart with outrage growing all over the place.
That was incorrect.
In 2016, White turnout was 71% and African American was 64%, a seven point gap.
Right now, African American turnout is 51%, while White is 55%. This is a closing of the gap, relative to 2016.
However, African Americans are not turning out in the same numbers that they did in 2008, when Obama won the state. In that year AA turnout of 73% exceeded White turnout of 71%.
1. Steve Bell has a history of allegedly racist/anti-Semitic cartoons
and
2. He was supposedly leaving the Guardian because of this
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/controversial-cartoonist-steve-bell-to-leave-the-guardian-1.501690
Yet they have kept him? Perhaps they did a focus-group and discovered that 19 of their remaining 37 readers, mostly in Luton and Bradford, are outright anti-Semites, so he's popular
Was Salome Jewish? Was Jewishness germane to the original story? It's all a bit far-fetched.
More likely Islington.
Reminds me of a famous remark made by David Lloyd George in reference to a rival within the Liberal Party:
"When they circumcised Herbert Samuels, they threw away the wrong bit."
Which is pretty funny, esp. for Americans for whom (male) circumcision is commonplace regardless of religion, and has been for a long time.
BUT the anti-semitism behind DLG's remark re: a Jewish politico, in context of early-20th Britain, is unmistakable.
6 weeks of totally open economy.
4 weeks of total (Spanish style) lockdown (coincided with school holidays).
Gives business a chance to plan and everyone understands what to expect.
Greggs was shut for a while, mind.
The same problems of drugs and homelessness have assailed it as elsewhere in California. The rich retreat to gated communities, and villas with pools, like the late Romans before the Vandals won.
It is a damn shame.
IIRC he they had him as a 28% chance going into the 2016 election.
All I'm saying is I didn't see this as an AS cartoon and when I showed it to a professional cartoonist (who had previously been oblivious to the kerfuffle) the response was same as mine (plus a few comments on its general quality or lack of it.)
Problem?
On a day dominated by talk about anti-Semitism that is the cartoon that was done in response. 🤔
Let's just put it this way, As a professional newt painter, if I did a painting of a naked barely-legal newt during a period of alarm about shameful young newt-abuse, I would hope a decent editor would take me aside and say "Not today, LadyG, not today"
The fact that Bell drew this is not surprising (let's be kind and say: he loves to provoke); a sensible editor should have winced immediately and said NO. Why didn't they? Either they intended to annoy. agitate and further poison the atmosphere (great, thanks Guardian) or they are just dim.
https://twitter.com/mybury/status/1322243413153062912
You get back to your newts and I'll get back to the US Elections.
I'll be very suprised if this isn't spun as mass intimidation and vandalism.
White Tailed Sea Eagles are now firmly embedded as nesting birds in the Isle of Wight. In England. For the first time in England since 1780
YAY!