I think Trump is political goner, and possibly a mortal goner (RIP - I hope I am wrong, he may be a bastard but every man's death diminishes me)
WTF does that mean? Biden must also be at severe risk.
2020 is just superb entertainment, however insane
I hope Biden is ok but I fear he actually might be at significant risk. He also does not look like the most robust man to me (same with Trump).
Kudos to those who took the Pence bet. Even if it does not come off, it will have been proven to have been a smart move.
Re Trump, whatever you think of the man, no one should wish for someone else's death.
Not Pol Pot's or Mussolini's?
No one should express the wish for someone else's death. However it is reasonable to point out that there is a major advantage if Trump loses this election by being dead or seriously incapacitated rather than just being outvoted, which is the potential buggering about between November and January it saves the USA from (which would have the potential to cost more than just the one life).
Do you really think Trump is the equivalent of Pol Pot? Really?
I can (just about) see why people might see him as a Mussolini.
Do you think if people came on here talking about Jeremy Corbyn being the reincarnation of Stalin, that would be acceptable?
Don't be stupid. You said nobody should wish for anyone's death. I pointed out that was wrong. I didn't say therefore it is ok to wish for Donald Trump's death. Which I don't, incidentally, but I am happy to point out the advantages it would entail. And what on earth is the problem with calling that pig Corbyn a reincarnation of Stalin?
CNN now reporting that he will be spending at least several days in the hospital. Again that isn't do a couple of tests, check his blood pressure, etc.
I think Trump is political goner, and possibly a mortal goner (RIP - I hope I am wrong, he may be a bastard but every man's death diminishes me)
WTF does that mean? Biden must also be at severe risk.
2020 is just superb entertainment, however insane
I hope Biden is ok but I fear he actually might be at significant risk. He also does not look like the most robust man to me (same with Trump).
Kudos to those who took the Pence bet. Even if it does not come off, it will have been proven to have been a smart move.
Re Trump, whatever you think of the man, no one should wish for someone else's death.
Not Pol Pot's or Mussolini's?
No one should express the wish for someone else's death. However it is reasonable to point out that there is a major advantage if Trump loses this election by being dead or seriously incapacitated rather than just being outvoted, which is the potential buggering about between November and January it saves the USA from (which would have the potential to cost more than just the one life).
Do you really think Trump is the equivalent of Pol Pot? Really?
I can (just about) see why people might see him as a Mussolini.
Do you think if people came on here talking about Jeremy Corbyn being the reincarnation of Stalin, that would be acceptable?
Don't be stupid. You said nobody should wish for anyone's death. I pointed out that was wrong. I didn't say therefore it is ok to wish for Donald Trump's death. Which I don't, incidentally, but I am happy to point out the advantages it would entail. And what on earth is the problem with calling that pig Corbyn a reincarnation of Stalin?
Forgive my lack of knowledge but what is the effect of a BF suspension as I have no knowledge of betting
It pisses us all off
Sorry about that
I think the serious answer to your original question BigG is that when BF suspend markets it makes us very twitchy and looking at their market void rules pretty damn sharpish. Secondly, from a principled point: why are they arbitrarily denying us the chance to continue betting on the particular market when it would be perfectly legal to carry on doing so?
Edit: I just re-read your original question and I think you misinterpreted my flippant response - I wasn`t criticising you!!
So if both Pence and Trump were to become temporarily (not permanently) incapacitated, who acts as President?
Nancy Pelosi. Yes really.
Isn't that just if they die?
No ITU on a ventilator would be enough
Theoretically but there's no formal definition.
If the President doesn't declare himself incapacitated then someone else authorised to do so would need to via the 25th Amendment. That's essentially either a supermajority of Congress or a majority of Trump's own Cabinet including the Veep.
Evangelicals in the US must be having mixed feelings tonight, ostensibly praying for Trump but also secretly knowing that in the event of his death Pence would take over and they would have one of their own in the White House
But would non evangelicals who like Trump be as willing to come out for the establishment Pence?
I think Trump is political goner, and possibly a mortal goner (RIP - I hope I am wrong, he may be a bastard but every man's death diminishes me)
WTF does that mean? Biden must also be at severe risk.
2020 is just superb entertainment, however insane
I hope Biden is ok but I fear he actually might be at significant risk. He also does not look like the most robust man to me (same with Trump).
Kudos to those who took the Pence bet. Even if it does not come off, it will have been proven to have been a smart move.
Re Trump, whatever you think of the man, no one should wish for someone else's death.
Not Pol Pot's or Mussolini's?
No one should express the wish for someone else's death. However it is reasonable to point out that there is a major advantage if Trump loses this election by being dead or seriously incapacitated rather than just being outvoted, which is the potential buggering about between November and January it saves the USA from (which would have the potential to cost more than just the one life).
Do you really think Trump is the equivalent of Pol Pot? Really?
I can (just about) see why people might see him as a Mussolini.
Do you think if people came on here talking about Jeremy Corbyn being the reincarnation of Stalin, that would be acceptable?
Fwiw, I've always seen him as a Mussolini. Not a Hitler, and definitely not a Pol Pot, but Il Duce? Si Senor! Glad I'm not the only one to think so.
Forgive my lack of knowledge but what is the effect of a BF suspension as I have no knowledge of betting
It pisses us all off
Sorry about that
I think the serious answer to your original question BigG is that when BF suspend markets it makes us very twitchy and looking at their market void rules pretty damn sharpish. Secondly, from a principled point: why are they arbitrarily denying us the chance to continue betting on the particular market when it would be perfectly legal to carry on doing so?
Earlier BF said they suspended to allow unmatched bets to be cancelled.
I think Trump is political goner, and possibly a mortal goner (RIP - I hope I am wrong, he may be a bastard but every man's death diminishes me)
WTF does that mean? Biden must also be at severe risk.
2020 is just superb entertainment, however insane
I hope Biden is ok but I fear he actually might be at significant risk. He also does not look like the most robust man to me (same with Trump).
Kudos to those who took the Pence bet. Even if it does not come off, it will have been proven to have been a smart move.
Re Trump, whatever you think of the man, no one should wish for someone else's death.
Not Pol Pot's or Mussolini's?
No one should express the wish for someone else's death. However it is reasonable to point out that there is a major advantage if Trump loses this election by being dead or seriously incapacitated rather than just being outvoted, which is the potential buggering about between November and January it saves the USA from (which would have the potential to cost more than just the one life).
Do you really think Trump is the equivalent of Pol Pot? Really?
I can (just about) see why people might see him as a Mussolini.
Do you think if people came on here talking about Jeremy Corbyn being the reincarnation of Stalin, that would be acceptable?
Don't be stupid. You said nobody should wish for anyone's death. I pointed out that was wrong. I didn't say therefore it is ok to wish for Donald Trump's death. Which I don't, incidentally, but I am happy to point out the advantages it would entail. And what on earth is the problem with calling that pig Corbyn a reincarnation of Stalin?
Told you they did.
No, I didn't say that, I said I was ok with other people saying it. I myself would put the antisemitic fuckpig closer to the Mr Bean end of the spectrum.
I presume the GE doesn't get postponed even if Trump is incapacitated? And if he dies? Is it Pence on the ticket?
Nothing postpones the election, it is set in stone.
If he dies then the Trump/Pence ticket becomes a Pence/unknown ticket.
Not necessarily (but probably). See tomorrow.
Actually, the bigger problem is if he dies after the election (or so close to it that the RNC can't nominate an alternative candidate).
Haven’t hundreds of thousands of people already (likely) voted for Trump?
Technically, all they've done is vote for members of the Electoral College (though they may be pledged and legally bound to vote for to Trump depending on state law - but whether states can constitutionally do that is also a grey area).
Again, its another thing I am always surprised by, just how shit the masks some VIP have. You would presume at the very least they had properly fitted N95 ones.
Forgive my lack of knowledge but what is the effect of a BF suspension as I have no knowledge of betting
It pisses us all off
Sorry about that
I think the serious answer to your original question BigG is that when BF suspend markets it makes us very twitchy and looking at their market void rules pretty damn sharpish. Secondly, from a principled point: why are they arbitrarily denying us the chance to continue betting on the particular market when it would be perfectly legal to carry on doing so?
Edit: I just re-read your original question and I think you misinterpreted my flippant response - I wasn`t criticising you!!
Its fair to say if you are being treated with essentially experimental treatments tested on hundreds, and your wife possibly isn't using these treatments, they are worried.
The lack of a video address/tweeting suggested something was up
Carting him to hospital makes sense
His risk factor is far higher than hers. The experimental treatment in itself doesn’t really tell you all that much (on its own), as it’s intended to be given to patients before their condition becomes serious.
The statement that it was, to paraphrase slightly "infused without incident" was eyebrow rasing.
I think Trump is political goner, and possibly a mortal goner (RIP - I hope I am wrong, he may be a bastard but every man's death diminishes me)
WTF does that mean? Biden must also be at severe risk.
2020 is just superb entertainment, however insane
I hope Biden is ok but I fear he actually might be at significant risk. He also does not look like the most robust man to me (same with Trump).
Kudos to those who took the Pence bet. Even if it does not come off, it will have been proven to have been a smart move.
Re Trump, whatever you think of the man, no one should wish for someone else's death.
Not Pol Pot's or Mussolini's?
No one should express the wish for someone else's death. However it is reasonable to point out that there is a major advantage if Trump loses this election by being dead or seriously incapacitated rather than just being outvoted, which is the potential buggering about between November and January it saves the USA from (which would have the potential to cost more than just the one life).
Do you really think Trump is the equivalent of Pol Pot? Really?
I can (just about) see why people might see him as a Mussolini.
Do you think if people came on here talking about Jeremy Corbyn being the reincarnation of Stalin, that would be acceptable?
Fwiw, I've always seen him as a Mussolini. Not a Hitler, and definitely not a Pol Pot, but Il Duce? Si Senor! Glad I'm not the only one to think so.
I can't really imagine him wearing a Black Shirt. Wouldn't go down too well with the red tie.
I presume the GE doesn't get postponed even if Trump is incapacitated? And if he dies? Is it Pence on the ticket?
Nothing postpones the election, it is set in stone.
If he dies then the Trump/Pence ticket becomes a Pence/unknown ticket.
Not necessarily (but probably). See tomorrow.
Actually, the bigger problem is if he dies after the election (or so close to it that the RNC can't nominate an alternative candidate).
Haven’t hundreds of thousands of people already (likely) voted for Trump?
Technically, all they've done is vote for members of the Electoral College (though they may be pledged and legally bound to vote for to Trump depending on state law - but whether states can constitutionally do that is also a grey area).
When it comes to cliches, when I see someone promising to fight for me every day (a sentiment you see all the way down to local politicians) it just makes me think 'Jeez, I can be demanding but you can take day off now and then, I don't need you fighting every day'.
I missed the 800/1, but took some of the 400 when the market reopened
My £2 at 800/1 is begining to look in very poor taste.
I had £3 at 410 before realising I`d made a mistake (I think). Pelosi could be Next President but the market rules say: "next President of the United States of America as a result of the 2020 presidential election". Pelosi will not be contesting the election will she - so our bets cannot win. I don`t think.
Blimey. This has all the hallmarks of Boris situation... he's not that sick etc. until he suddenly is...
Feeling a little dirty i took those Pence bets at 80/1 earlier.
I'm on at 220. From March. In a plague year you need insurance.
Yes, I did it when I thought Trump would rather step down for poor health than lose bigly. The virus wasn't a big deal when I made the bets but it has been insurance for that too. Wish I'd topped up.
CNN are quite mental at time...."why didn't he make a statement, why didn't he answer questions"...the man has a deadly contagious disease and obviously doctors are concerned about his condition, and you think he should stand there and do a press conference or get into a shouting match over the sound of the helicopter blades?
Evangelicals in the US must be having mixed feelings tonight, ostensibly praying for Trump but also secretly knowing that in the event of his death Pence would take over and they would have one of their own in the White House
But would non evangelicals who like Trump be as willing to come out for the establishment Pence?
I think he would get a pass because he would be seen as having being loyal to Trump and, also, because of the fears about what a Democrat Presidency would mean in the culture wars.
Personally, I would be less inclined to vote for Pence than Trump. You are far more likely to get a Handmaiden's Tale situation with Pence than you would have ever have gotten with Trump.
I missed the 800/1, but took some of the 400 when the market reopened
No blue tick there. I don't believe that one.
You don't? Whyever not? There'll be a playbook for just such a situation as this. And it won't have been written by a Party hack. If the President is incapacitated Pelosi is next in line. If Pence then has a heart attack or some such (and it is 2020 after all), they'll need Pelosi to be ready.
Tomorrow’s Times looks like it has a good story about a vaccine...
Good as in “good news”?
Yes.
Splash is: Hopes grow for a vaccine
Looked up the page. NHS Lothian was trialling drive through sites for the flu jab and my experience was very positive. They had a mad rush the first day but people waited a max of 90 minutes, which isn’t horrible.
So if both Pence and Trump were to become temporarily (not permanently) incapacitated, who acts as President?
Nancy Pelosi.
Although that provision of the Act might well be unconstitutional. Just saying.
Who will cast the deciding vote in the Supreme court in that case..
It may not need a casting vote. The Constitution grants Congress the power to define which "Officer" shall act as president in the absence of both a President and VP. But 'Officer' is usually taken to mean '... of the United States' - i.e. holding an office with national scope - which rules out Congressional office.
Evangelicals in the US must be having mixed feelings tonight, ostensibly praying for Trump but also secretly knowing that in the event of his death Pence would take over and they would have one of their own in the White House
But would non evangelicals who like Trump be as willing to come out for the establishment Pence?
I think he would get a pass because he would be seen as having being loyal to Trump and, also, because of the fears about what a Democrat Presidency would mean in the culture wars.
Personally, I would be less inclined to vote for Pence than Trump. You are far more likely to get a Handmaiden's Tale situation with Pence than you would have ever have gotten with Trump.
It's not so much that I don't think he would get a pass, I just wondered about his ability to fire up the passions of the non-evangelicals.
I think Trump is political goner, and possibly a mortal goner (RIP - I hope I am wrong, he may be a bastard but every man's death diminishes me)
WTF does that mean? Biden must also be at severe risk.
2020 is just superb entertainment, however insane
I hope Biden is ok but I fear he actually might be at significant risk. He also does not look like the most robust man to me (same with Trump).
Kudos to those who took the Pence bet. Even if it does not come off, it will have been proven to have been a smart move.
Re Trump, whatever you think of the man, no one should wish for someone else's death.
Not Pol Pot's or Mussolini's?
No one should express the wish for someone else's death. However it is reasonable to point out that there is a major advantage if Trump loses this election by being dead or seriously incapacitated rather than just being outvoted, which is the potential buggering about between November and January it saves the USA from (which would have the potential to cost more than just the one life).
Do you really think Trump is the equivalent of Pol Pot? Really?
I can (just about) see why people might see him as a Mussolini.
Do you think if people came on here talking about Jeremy Corbyn being the reincarnation of Stalin, that would be acceptable?
I would say that if you are looking for a comparison for Trump - Peron, maybe?
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I’ve been down the boozer, masks, table service, last orders called at 9.30. Crazy bonk.
Sad.
Night all.
Where are your morals?
What on earth is a mild fever re covid
Edit: I just re-read your original question and I think you misinterpreted my flippant response - I wasn`t criticising you!!
I missed the 800/1, but took some of the 400 when the market reopened
No idea whether they usually do that.
Splash is: Hopes grow for a vaccine
Even normal Trump insiders being kept in the dark.
Our thoughts are with you big man.
Could have taken some profits. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola_virus_disease_treatment_research
Would make an Ivanka presidency more likely at some point. The martyr's daughter etc.
He's not walking wounded.
They managed to get him on the chopper out of the view of cameras it seems. Seems serious.
Personally, I would be less inclined to vote for Pence than Trump. You are far more likely to get a Handmaiden's Tale situation with Pence than you would have ever have gotten with Trump.
If the President is incapacitated Pelosi is next in line. If Pence then has a heart attack or some such (and it is 2020 after all), they'll need Pelosi to be ready.
https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/3044110#Comment_3044110
From earlier today!