Robert Moore on ITV news says if Trump goes on a ventilator s25 of the constitution will be invoked and the formal powers of the Presidency temporarily passed to VP Pence
Makes sense. People got into an absolutely ridiculous flap when Boris was out of action and we don't even have that kind of presidential system so legally it wasn't a problem, so for them such a formal move would be necessary.
Yes the Queen still remained UK Head of State when Boris was on a ventilator, advised by the Cabinet, if Trump goes on a ventilator however there would be no acting US Head of State until Pence temporarily assumes the office.
When Reagan was shot and underwent surgery VP Bush temporarily assumed presidential powers for that period, when JFK was assassinated LBJ took the oath of office in the plane carrying his coffin back to DC
The White House has confirmed that the president will go to Walter Reed medical center and stay there for “the next few days.”
The full White House statement:
“President Trump remains in good spirits, has mild symptoms, and has been working throughout the day. Out of an abundance of caution, and at the recommendation of his physician and medical experts, the President will be working from the presidential offices at Walter Reed for the next few days. President Trump appreciates the outpouring of support for both he and the First Lady.”
Love the phrase “abundance of caution”. Senator Lee used just that phrase, as the video emerged of him hugging people at the White House.
Sopel saying that there's already a fully equipped medical centre in the WH, so...
Yep. You don't use a helicopter for a mild case or tests. Not even for POTUS.
Doesn't he pretty much always travel by Marine One?
You'd be right there, using a chopper is practical
It is but its not really designed to be secretive is it? Cameras are surely bound to catch pictures of him shortly and how he looks getting into the chopper - and is he walking or in a wheelchair etc?
I do remember one of Trump's physicians said back in 2017 that Trump was in peak physical health, and it was fake news to say Trump was overweight and obese.
Not a record you really want, to be honest. Though it seems he went on to a good career.
Hence, John Ashcroft became the first ever U.S. Senate candidate, incumbent or otherwise, to be defeated by a dead person.
It says the dead man's widow was appointed to the seat in his stead, which I feel is something I've see occur on various american TV shows over the years for posts big and small. I can see appointing to fill a vacancy can be difficult, but it seems strange to me to appoint the spouses of the deceased. There's no guarantee they will have any political acumen and they might not share all the views of their dearly departed or the local party machinery. And when it comes to the exercise of political power over the people it seems an odd place to let sympathy override any other factors.
Its fair to say if you are being treated with essentially experimental treatments tested on hundreds, and your wife possibly isn't using these treatments, they are worried.
The lack of a video address/tweeting suggested something was up
Carting him to hospital makes sense
His risk factor is far higher than hers. The experimental treatment in itself doesn’t really tell you all that much (on its own), as it’s intended to be given to patients before their condition becomes serious.
The statement that it was, to paraphrase slightly "infused without incident" was eyebrow rasing.
I do remember one of Trump's physicians said back in 2017 that Trump was in peak physical health, and it was fake news to say Trump was overweight and obese.
Was that the one that said Trump could live to be 200 years old?
I do remember one of Trump's physicians said back in 2017 that Trump was in peak physical health, and it was fake news to say Trump was overweight and obese.
His doc said earlier that Trump has no co-morbidities. That hes a fat bloke, never mind that.
I think Trump is political goner, and possibly a mortal goner (RIP - I hope I am wrong, he may be a bastard but every man's death diminishes me)
WTF does that mean? Biden must also be at severe risk.
2020 is just superb entertainment, however insane
I hope Biden is ok but I fear he actually might be at significant risk. He also does not look like the most robust man to me (same with Trump).
Kudos to those who took the Pence bet. Even if it does not come off, it will have been proven to have been a smart move.
Re Trump, whatever you think of the man, no one should wish for someone else's death.
Not Pol Pot's or Mussolini's?
No one should express the wish for someone else's death. However it is reasonable to point out that there is a major advantage if Trump loses this election by being dead or seriously incapacitated rather than just being outvoted, which is the potential buggering about between November and January it saves the USA from (which would have the potential to cost more than just the one life).
Given that nobody believes any statements coming out of the White House any more, at least an outcome of all this might be to insist on improved standards for White House briefings?
I presume the GE doesn't get postponed even if Trump is incapacitated? And if he dies? Is it Pence on the ticket?
I've read a learned opinion on this matter published via the Washington Post website. The suggestion is that, should Trump win but expire before the Electoral College has a chance to convene - either before or shortly after the general election - then the Republican National Committee would recommend a replacement, and it is highly likely that the Republican delegates in the Electoral College would back that person (though if this happened at very short notice I imagine the Republican electors would simply nominate Pence.)
The only likely complication would be if the RNC were divided and more than one rival candidate emerged, in which case there might be no outright winner in the College and the President would have to be elected by the House instead.
So if both Pence and Trump were to become temporarily (not permanently) incapacitated, who acts as President?
Nancy Pelosi. Yes really.
Isn't that just if they die?
Die or become judged to be incapacitated. If Trump were to go on a ventillator then tradition is to hand powers to the Veep.
Once that's happened, there'd be immense pressure not to see anything happen to Pence or acknowledge it as being serious given who would be next in line.
Its fair to say if you are being treated with essentially experimental treatments tested on hundreds, and your wife possibly isn't using these treatments, they are worried.
The lack of a video address/tweeting suggested something was up
Carting him to hospital makes sense
His risk factor is far higher than hers. The experimental treatment in itself doesn’t really tell you all that much (on its own), as it’s intended to be given to patients before their condition becomes serious.
The statement that it was, to paraphrase slightly "infused without incident" was eyebrow rasing.
I presume the GE doesn't get postponed even if Trump is incapacitated? And if he dies? Is it Pence on the ticket?
I've read a learned opinion on this matter published via the Washington Post website. The suggestion is that, should Trump win but expire before the Electoral College has a chance to convene - either before or shortly after the general election - then the Republican National Committee would recommend a replacement, and it is highly likely that the Republican delegates in the Electoral College would back that person (though if this happened at very short notice I imagine the Republican electors would simply nominate Pence.)
The only likely complication would be if the RNC were divided and more than one rival candidate emerged, in which case there might be no outright winner in the College and the President would have to be elected by the House instead.
According to Betfair's rules the market is settled "according to the candidate that has the most projected Electoral College votes won at the 2020 presidential election. Any subsequent events such as a ‘faithless elector’ will have no effect on the settlement of this market."
So if Trump's name is on the ballot as the presidential candidate, wouldn't he be the winner by Betfair's rules even if it's Pence who is eventually sworn in?
I think Trump is political goner, and possibly a mortal goner (RIP - I hope I am wrong, he may be a bastard but every man's death diminishes me)
WTF does that mean? Biden must also be at severe risk.
2020 is just superb entertainment, however insane
I hope Biden is ok but I fear he actually might be at significant risk. He also does not look like the most robust man to me (same with Trump).
Kudos to those who took the Pence bet. Even if it does not come off, it will have been proven to have been a smart move.
Re Trump, whatever you think of the man, no one should wish for someone else's death.
Not Pol Pot's or Mussolini's?
No one should express the wish for someone else's death. However it is reasonable to point out that there is a major advantage if Trump loses this election by being dead or seriously incapacitated rather than just being outvoted, which is the potential buggering about between November and January it saves the USA from (which would have the potential to cost more than just the one life).
Do you really think Trump is the equivalent of Pol Pot? Really?
I can (just about) see why people might see him as a Mussolini.
Do you think if people came on here talking about Jeremy Corbyn being the reincarnation of Stalin, that would be acceptable?
Its fair to say if you are being treated with essentially experimental treatments tested on hundreds, and your wife possibly isn't using these treatments, they are worried.
The lack of a video address/tweeting suggested something was up
Carting him to hospital makes sense
His risk factor is far higher than hers. The experimental treatment in itself doesn’t really tell you all that much (on its own), as it’s intended to be given to patients before their condition becomes serious.
The statement that it was, to paraphrase slightly "infused without incident" was eyebrow rasing.
Evangelicals in the US must be having mixed feelings tonight, ostensibly praying for Trump but also secretly knowing that in the event of his death Pence would take over and they would have one of their own in the White House
I presume the GE doesn't get postponed even if Trump is incapacitated? And if he dies? Is it Pence on the ticket?
Nothing postpones the election, it is set in stone.
If he dies then the Trump/Pence ticket becomes a Pence/unknown ticket.
Not necessarily (but probably). See tomorrow.
Actually, the bigger problem is if he dies after the election (or so close to it that the RNC can't nominate an alternative candidate).
Haven’t hundreds of thousands of people already (likely) voted for Trump?
Yes, BUT the effect of voting for the Republican candidate, should that individual obtain a majority in any given state (or district in Maine and Nebraska,) is to return a Republican delegate or delegates to the Electoral College. If they convene in circumstances where the Republican candidate has actually died then they are free to vote how they please (technically, in states where there is legislation to prohibit faithless electors, it's arguable that the delegates would still be obliged to vote for the dead candidate, but in practice one questions whether this would be enforced.)
Evangelicals in the US must be having mixed feelings tonight, ostensibly praying for Trump but also secretly knowing that in the event of his death Pence would take over and they would have one their own in the White House
Its fair to say if you are being treated with essentially experimental treatments tested on hundreds, and your wife possibly isn't using these treatments, they are worried.
The lack of a video address/tweeting suggested something was up
Carting him to hospital makes sense
His risk factor is far higher than hers. The experimental treatment in itself doesn’t really tell you all that much (on its own), as it’s intended to be given to patients before their condition becomes serious.
The statement that it was, to paraphrase slightly "infused without incident" was eyebrow rasing.
That not what CNN are saying. They say the press pack are waiting on the South Lawn and waiting to see if they will be able to ask questions.
I'm assuming the WH Is not stupid in knowing that, if Marine One is on the lawn, it's going to be in full sight of the press pack. So I am kind of wondering whether he is going to come out walking and actually say something.
Regeneron must be praying that their treatment didn’t put him in hospital. Not a great look at the next shareholder meeting to accidentally kill the US President.
I think Trump is political goner, and possibly a mortal goner (RIP - I hope I am wrong, he may be a bastard but every man's death diminishes me)
WTF does that mean? Biden must also be at severe risk.
2020 is just superb entertainment, however insane
I hope Biden is ok but I fear he actually might be at significant risk. He also does not look like the most robust man to me (same with Trump).
Kudos to those who took the Pence bet. Even if it does not come off, it will have been proven to have been a smart move.
Re Trump, whatever you think of the man, no one should wish for someone else's death.
Not Pol Pot's or Mussolini's?
No one should express the wish for someone else's death. However it is reasonable to point out that there is a major advantage if Trump loses this election by being dead or seriously incapacitated rather than just being outvoted, which is the potential buggering about between November and January it saves the USA from (which would have the potential to cost more than just the one life).
Do you really think Trump is the equivalent of Pol Pot? Really?
I can (just about) see why people might see him as a Mussolini.
Do you think if people came on here talking about Jeremy Corbyn being the reincarnation of Stalin, that would be acceptable?
So if both Pence and Trump were to become temporarily (not permanently) incapacitated, who acts as President?
Nancy Pelosi. Yes really.
Isn't that just if they die?
No ITU on a ventilator would be enough
Theoretically but there's no formal definition.
If the President doesn't declare himself incapacitated then someone else authorised to do so would need to via the 25th Amendment. That's essentially either a supermajority of Congress or a majority of Trump's own Cabinet including the Veep.
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When Reagan was shot and underwent surgery VP Bush temporarily assumed presidential powers for that period, when JFK was assassinated LBJ took the oath of office in the plane carrying his coffin back to DC
Senator Lee used just that phrase, as the video emerged of him hugging people at the White House.
Shifting him by air transfer to hospital is quite a move. Perhaps he reacted badly to the antibody infusion.
Kudos to those who took the Pence bet. Even if it does not come off, it will have been proven to have been a smart move.
Re Trump, whatever you think of the man, no one should wish for someone else's death.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_United_States_Senate_election_in_Missouri
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54396670
Hillary Clinton has no path to the Whitehouse.
Hence, John Ashcroft became the first ever U.S. Senate candidate, incumbent or otherwise, to be defeated by a dead person.
It says the dead man's widow was appointed to the seat in his stead, which I feel is something I've see occur on various american TV shows over the years for posts big and small. I can see appointing to fill a vacancy can be difficult, but it seems strange to me to appoint the spouses of the deceased. There's no guarantee they will have any political acumen and they might not share all the views of their dearly departed or the local party machinery. And when it comes to the exercise of political power over the people it seems an odd place to let sympathy override any other factors.
If he dies then the Trump/Pence ticket becomes a Pence/unknown ticket.
Who was expecting an incident?
Yes really.
No one should express the wish for someone else's death. However it is reasonable to point out that there is a major advantage if Trump loses this election by being dead or seriously incapacitated rather than just being outvoted, which is the potential buggering about between November and January it saves the USA from (which would have the potential to cost more than just the one life).
Beyond the Isle of Skye,
I dreamed a dead man won a fight,
And that dead man was I
Actually, the bigger problem is if he dies after the election (or so close to it that the RNC can't nominate an alternative candidate).
She will need the cabinet to confirm that POTUS and VPOTUS are unable to discharge their duties.
The only likely complication would be if the RNC were divided and more than one rival candidate emerged, in which case there might be no outright winner in the College and the President would have to be elected by the House instead.
Hoorah.
https://www.businessinsider.com/chinese-propaganda-mocks-trump-covid-19-positive-2020-10?utm_campaign=sf-bi-main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&r=US&IR=T
Once that's happened, there'd be immense pressure not to see anything happen to Pence or acknowledge it as being serious given who would be next in line.
In case GOP Senators weren't able to make the vote.
Feeling a little dirty i took those Pence bets at 80/1 earlier.
https://twitter.com/ZekeEmanuel/status/1312139711427735552
As is this:
https://twitter.com/K_G_Andersen/status/1312140835861917696
So if Trump's name is on the ballot as the presidential candidate, wouldn't he be the winner by Betfair's rules even if it's Pence who is eventually sworn in?
I can (just about) see why people might see him as a Mussolini.
Do you think if people came on here talking about Jeremy Corbyn being the reincarnation of Stalin, that would be acceptable?
He said he was not obese
https://twitter.com/BetfairCS/status/1312150353366794240
If the President doesn't declare himself incapacitated then someone else authorised to do so would need to via the 25th Amendment. That's essentially either a supermajority of Congress or a majority of Trump's own Cabinet including the Veep.