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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Backed pence at 90 a couple of minutes ago, he's down to 75. Lay him off?
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    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    = "We're going to cave-in but we'll never admit it."
    I really do not care as long as a deal is agreed
    Probably why you and I would make poor negotiators. If they do cave in that may well be worth criticising if they are particularly shameless about it - everyone sells their side afterwards, I don't begrudge that - but it will be weird if, once again, we were told they actually wanted no deal and they prove otherwise by doing one. Even if that is a substandard deal which they caved in to get, if they get one it would once again show that the idea particular people involved wanted no deal would be wrong.

    But I won't count chickens on this one until they hatch.
    The point was made earlier. Ursula van der Leyen and supporting staff will explain something to Boris, and be nice to him. Frost will desperately try to stop but Boris will be flattered and sign.

    After Christmas Boris will realise he's been thoroughly shafted, but there's his signature at the bottom of the document!
    That all may be true, in fact I can believe it easily particularly since he has now already in effect admitted his last deal was no good (or, most charitably, so easily misused), but is irrelevant to the point that if he signs, for whatever reason and even if it is a bad deal and even if he realises later that is so, then it shows he did want a deal as claimed.
    Indeed; I agree with your last point, but is a bad deal better than no deal. I can't remember where we are in that cycle!
    If NE Scots fisherman are thrown under a bus, metaphorically speaking, that could leave Boris in trouble. Although I think on the Daily Express would care very much.

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    = "We're going to cave-in but we'll never admit it."
    I really do not care as long as a deal is agreed
    Probably why you and I would make poor negotiators. If they do cave in that may well be worth criticising if they are particularly shameless about it - everyone sells their side afterwards, I don't begrudge that - but it will be weird if, once again, we were told they actually wanted no deal and they prove otherwise by doing one. Even if that is a substandard deal which they caved in to get, if they get one it would once again show that the idea particular people involved wanted no deal would be wrong.

    But I won't count chickens on this one until they hatch.
    The point was made earlier. Ursula van der Leyen and supporting staff will explain something to Boris, and be nice to him. Frost will desperately try to stop but Boris will be flattered and sign.

    After Christmas Boris will realise he's been thoroughly shafted, but there's his signature at the bottom of the document!
    That all may be true, in fact I can believe it easily particularly since he has now already in effect admitted his last deal was no good (or, most charitably, so easily misused), but is irrelevant to the point that if he signs, for whatever reason and even if it is a bad deal and even if he realises later that is so, then it shows he did want a deal as claimed.
    Indeed; I agree with your last point, but is a bad deal better than no deal. I can't remember where we are in that cycle!
    If NE Scots fisherman are thrown under a bus, metaphorically speaking, that could leave Boris in trouble. Although I think on the Daily Express would care very much.
    I think we're at the position where it's recognised that No Deal is a problem (because the systems aren't remotely ready and there are 3 months to go) but it's not recognised that the Desired Deal is also a problem (because the systems aren't remotely ready and there are 3 months to go).
    Yes, it's going to be mayhem either way (unless there's another extension). The only question is the magnitude and duration of said mayhem.
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    kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 3,963

    eek said:

    Now my opinion of Northumbria university has never been high but even so this takes some doing

    https://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/1312049616997752836

    I'm impressed they could get 770 students tested. Did they have to drive them hundreds of miles?
    Barnard Castle is only 40 miles away!
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,783
    My strong impression is that the EU is sticking to its negotiating plan, while the UK doesn't actually have a plan. If there is going to be a deal. The UK will need to accept what the EU wants on State Aid and governance, and remove the IMB provisions, while the fish will be a haggle (possibly slightly advantageous to them, if the other stuff goes the EU way).

    This will go right to the wire I suspect.
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    StockyStocky Posts: 9,736
    2.92 Trump 2.72 GOP
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    isamisam Posts: 40,988
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,618
    Alistair said:

    Backed pence at 90 a couple of minutes ago, he's down to 75. Lay him off?

    Think it could come in further, it's essentially a bet on Trump's medical condition. Pence has already tested negative.
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    Alistair said:

    Yup, all the Betfair markets are up but all unmatched money was cancelled.

    Sigh.

    That's actually fair enough. Let people repost their unmatched bets if they want to but the matched ones stand presumably.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    Alistair said:

    dixiedean said:

    6,968 new positive cases...awaiting the scripters to publish the correct charts.

    According to what I can see the split is: Wales 462, Scotland 775, NI 934(!), England 4,797
    Yes, those are the figures I see. Per 100,000 that's:
    England 9
    Scotland 14
    Wales 15
    Northern Ireland 49

    Of course, it's Johnson that's bungling it. For what it's worth, I think a daily rate of 9 is problematic enough, but there's a reality/perception disconnect here.
    But that England 9 is a bit of an irrelevance. What is the figure for North of Sheffield say?
    I suspect higher than Scotland or Wales.
    This second wave is a regional outbreak.
    Also, as I understand it, there are fewer people per 100,000 in hospital in Scotland compared to England.
    Oh, okay. So that would suggest that testing is identifying a greater proportion of cases in Scotland. Maybe the ONS survey was on the optimistic side.
    Except isn't it the case that the ONS and Imperial surveys are based on random sampling, so should not reflect the relative efficiency or otherwise of testing laboratories or track and trace systems in different parts of the country?
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    AP: Biden has been tested and is awaiting the result. Reported >40 minutes ago.

    https://twitter.com/JonLemire/status/1312047861425680386
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,322
    Betfair back. Trump opens 2.94.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,988
    edited October 2020
    No no no! It's Whitty and Vallance's implied disaster chart that has scared us all into not catching Covid! 4D Chess and all that

    Whereas cases shooting up as per their graph would have made them even more clever


    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1311997238076465152?s=20
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,060
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I guess the big questions are:

    (1) Who does President Pence pick as his VP? One of the Trump children, or does he go for someone like Marco Rubio?
    (2) And who will Kamala Harris select as her running mate? Someone from the Midwest, presumably, perhaps Sherrod Brown?

    Are you talking about the 2020 election?
    If both candidates were to croak in the next two weeks, then surely Pence and Harris would need to announce their VP picks.
    No way, can't get them on the ticket now anyway. Better to get them through either a lame duck session for the GOP or go for senate confirmation for the Dems. Announcing now before the election will just put voters off.
    I'm not sure I agree. The electoral college, IIRC, has separate roll calls or the Presidency and the Vice-Presidency. So, there would be no need for the Senate to get involved in either case.

    There are also laws against faithless electors in some States, so it makes sense for there to be an official Vice Presidential candidate in place before the election - even if ballots have been printed.
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,088
    eek said:

    Now my opinion of Northumbria university has never been high but even so this takes some doing

    https://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/1312049616997752836

    👀
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    StockyStocky Posts: 9,736
    edited October 2020
    Edit
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,060
    MaxPB said:

    It really does seem as though the R in England has begun to stabilise. The Imperial and ONS data looks correct.

    Which is actually great. We've not locked down (nationally) but we have R around 1.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,322
    Stocky said:

    Biden 1.57.

    Why have BF suspended and then reopened I wonder?

    Officially -

    "The Betfair Exchange suspended betting on the US election for a brief period on Friday (October 2) in order to protect customers with unmatched bets in the market. Those bets have now been cancelled and the market re-opened at 16:30."
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,424

    Alistair said:

    dixiedean said:

    6,968 new positive cases...awaiting the scripters to publish the correct charts.

    According to what I can see the split is: Wales 462, Scotland 775, NI 934(!), England 4,797
    Yes, those are the figures I see. Per 100,000 that's:
    England 9
    Scotland 14
    Wales 15
    Northern Ireland 49

    Of course, it's Johnson that's bungling it. For what it's worth, I think a daily rate of 9 is problematic enough, but there's a reality/perception disconnect here.
    But that England 9 is a bit of an irrelevance. What is the figure for North of Sheffield say?
    I suspect higher than Scotland or Wales.
    This second wave is a regional outbreak.
    Also, as I understand it, there are fewer people per 100,000 in hospital in Scotland compared to England.
    Oh, okay. So that would suggest that testing is identifying a greater proportion of cases in Scotland. Maybe the ONS survey was on the optimistic side.
    Except isn't it the case that the ONS and Imperial surveys are based on random sampling, so should not reflect the relative efficiency or otherwise of testing laboratories or track and trace systems in different parts of the country?
    Yes, but the ONS survey has wide error bars.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,618
    edited October 2020
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I guess the big questions are:

    (1) Who does President Pence pick as his VP? One of the Trump children, or does he go for someone like Marco Rubio?
    (2) And who will Kamala Harris select as her running mate? Someone from the Midwest, presumably, perhaps Sherrod Brown?

    Are you talking about the 2020 election?
    If both candidates were to croak in the next two weeks, then surely Pence and Harris would need to announce their VP picks.
    No way, can't get them on the ticket now anyway. Better to get them through either a lame duck session for the GOP or go for senate confirmation for the Dems. Announcing now before the election will just put voters off.
    I'm not sure I agree. The electoral college, IIRC, has separate roll calls or the Presidency and the Vice-Presidency. So, there would be no need for the Senate to get involved in either case.

    There are also laws against faithless electors in some States, so it makes sense for there to be an official Vice Presidential candidate in place before the election - even if ballots have been printed.
    They aren't going to ask random EC members to vote on it, at least the senate has democratic legitimacy, even a lame duck session.

    The point I was making is that the ticket is already set, the ballots are printed EC voters may not be able to vote for anyone else.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,989
    isam said:

    No no no! It's Whitty and Vallance's implied disaster chart that has scared us all into not catching Covid! 4D Chess and all that

    Whereas cases shooting up as per their graph would have made them even more clever


    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1311997238076465152?s=20

    Why would it? They clearly said at the beginning it shows how quickly things can get out of control, and that it was not a projection. Additional measures came in, and the scenario didn't come to pass.
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    isam said:

    No no no! It's Whitty and Vallance's implied disaster chart that has scared us all into not catching Covid! 4D Chess and all that

    Whereas cases shooting up as per their graph would have made them even more clever


    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1311997238076465152?s=20

    Hodges is an idiot. What part of "if we do nothing and it continues to double" do these idiots opposing what was done not understand?

    I can respect a philosophical idea of saying that it is better to let it run wild amongst the youth and not panic, but the bad science of people like Hodges is what really gets to me.
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    sladeslade Posts: 1,940
    Independent Woodbridge wins the Orkney election with 60% of the vote. She is the daughter of the former councillor who died.
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    edited October 2020
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I guess the big questions are:

    (1) Who does President Pence pick as his VP? One of the Trump children, or does he go for someone like Marco Rubio?
    (2) And who will Kamala Harris select as her running mate? Someone from the Midwest, presumably, perhaps Sherrod Brown?

    Are you talking about the 2020 election?
    If both candidates were to croak in the next two weeks, then surely Pence and Harris would need to announce their VP picks.
    No way, can't get them on the ticket now anyway. Better to get them through either a lame duck session for the GOP or go for senate confirmation for the Dems. Announcing now before the election will just put voters off.
    I'm not sure I agree. The electoral college, IIRC, has separate roll calls or the Presidency and the Vice-Presidency. So, there would be no need for the Senate to get involved in either case.

    There are also laws against faithless electors in some States, so it makes sense for there to be an official Vice Presidential candidate in place before the election - even if ballots have been printed.
    It's up to the parties to instruct their Electors who to vote for if either slot in the ticket falls vacant before the EC votes. There have been two cases where a VP candidate has died before the EC vote, one just before the popular vote (1912), one after (1872). In both cases the deceased was on the losing ticket so the party did not bother to nominate a replacement, and the Electors for that party were free to vote for whomever they wanted for VP.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,327
    RobD said:

    isam said:

    No no no! It's Whitty and Vallance's implied disaster chart that has scared us all into not catching Covid! 4D Chess and all that

    Whereas cases shooting up as per their graph would have made them even more clever


    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1311997238076465152?s=20

    Why would it? They clearly said at the beginning it shows how quickly things can get out of control, and that it was not a projection. Additional measures came in, and the scenario didn't come to pass.
    They knew people wouldn't take in the details. They would just see the graph and be scared. It was outrageous imho.
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,088
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    It really does seem as though the R in England has begun to stabilise. The Imperial and ONS data looks correct.

    Which is actually great. We've not locked down (nationally) but we have R around 1.
    I mean, very nearly 1/4 of the population of England are currently under some form of "lockdown".
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,618
    Nigelb said:
    That's a disaster. Very bad news for everyone there.
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    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I guess the big questions are:

    (1) Who does President Pence pick as his VP? One of the Trump children, or does he go for someone like Marco Rubio?
    (2) And who will Kamala Harris select as her running mate? Someone from the Midwest, presumably, perhaps Sherrod Brown?

    Are you talking about the 2020 election?
    If both candidates were to croak in the next two weeks, then surely Pence and Harris would need to announce their VP picks.
    No way, can't get them on the ticket now anyway. Better to get them through either a lame duck session for the GOP or go for senate confirmation for the Dems. Announcing now before the election will just put voters off.
    I'm not sure I agree. The electoral college, IIRC, has separate roll calls or the Presidency and the Vice-Presidency. So, there would be no need for the Senate to get involved in either case.

    There are also laws against faithless electors in some States, so it makes sense for there to be an official Vice Presidential candidate in place before the election - even if ballots have been printed.
    They aren't going to ask random EC members to vote on it, at least the senate has democratic legitimacy, even a lame duck session.

    The point I was making is that the ticket is already set, the ballots are printed EC voters may not be able to vote for anyone else.
    Lets say hypothetically that Trump died, Pence said he was going to run in Trump's place and named say Guilliani as his running mate then in the event the Trump/Pence ballot won then it would be reasonable for pledged EC members to vote Pence/Guilliani instead.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,327
    Paula_S said:

    AP: Biden has been tested and is awaiting the result. Reported >40 minutes ago.

    https://twitter.com/JonLemire/status/1312047861425680386

    2020 aint done with us yet.

    I have a very bad feeling on this one.
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,088
    If I was Trump (and Biden) I would have been having a daily coronavirus test regardless.
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    Paula_S said:

    AP: Biden has been tested and is awaiting the result. Reported >40 minutes ago.

    https://twitter.com/JonLemire/status/1312047861425680386

    2020 aint done with us yet.

    I have a very bad feeling on this one.
    Considering he shared the stage with Trump for 90 minutes on Tuesday, even if he tests negative today it doesn't mean he won't test positive next week.
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,004
    Alistair said:

    Paula_S said:

    The Betfair market has reopened.
    Pence is at 60.

    They have opened up fresh. There is no money in them.
    That's fair to punters who couldn't get out when it was suspended.
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,424
    In other news, for the first time this year, the year-to-date average Central England Temperature is below the annual record high. Brrr.

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcet/cet_info_mean.html
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Hmm, looking at my next President book, if Sherrod Brown or Bloomberg could somehow engineer themselves into winning the whole shebang then that would be great.
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,004
    Alistair said:

    Yup, all the Betfair markets are up but all unmatched money was cancelled.

    Sigh.

    Trump not finishing his first term is still suspended.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    It really does seem as though the R in England has begun to stabilise. The Imperial and ONS data looks correct.

    Which is actually great. We've not locked down (nationally) but we have R around 1.
    That's certainly what the numbers would suggest - which implies that things are either levelling off everywhere, or cases are in decline again in many leafy parts but still rising in urban areas, especially up North.

    Meanwhile, we have the odd phenomenon of disproportionately high hospitalisations in Wales, versus low figures in Scotland. I'm assuming that Wales is getting hit hard because the bulk of the population lives in that band between Swansea and Newport, which has a not wholly dissimilar socio-economic profile to the major conurbations of Northern England. Scotland could simply be handling the pandemic better, or it could be a little bit behind England and Wales in this particular phase of it, in the same fashion as England and Wales turned out to be behind France. We shall know soon enough.
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    MangoMango Posts: 1,013

    Quite looking forward to the start of what could be the last series of HIGNFY tonight. Might, of course, be saved because it went some way to improving Johnson's career.

    Although he doesn't seem to 'do' gratitude. Revenge, yes.

    If it wants to be extended then finding a way to be funny again and less full of itself would be better. HIGNFY used to be hilarious, in recent years not so much.
    I'm guessing you found it hilarious between 1997 and 2010, sporadically funny until 2015, and then not funny at all (except maybe when May was PM).
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    MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    Paula_S said:

    AP: Biden has been tested and is awaiting the result. Reported >40 minutes ago.

    https://twitter.com/JonLemire/status/1312047861425680386

    2020 aint done with us yet.

    I have a very bad feeling on this one.
    I fear you might be right. I hope Biden is ok and has not been infected.
    Alistair said:

    Hmm, looking at my next President book, if Sherrod Brown or Bloomberg could somehow engineer themselves into winning the whole shebang then that would be great.

    I had a couple of quid on Brown.
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    glwglw Posts: 9,554

    isam said:

    No no no! It's Whitty and Vallance's implied disaster chart that has scared us all into not catching Covid! 4D Chess and all that

    Whereas cases shooting up as per their graph would have made them even more clever


    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1311997238076465152?s=20

    Hodges is an idiot.
    It's not just Hodges, there are apparently millions of idiots in this country.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,797
    Stocky said:

    Alistair said:

    Yup, all the Betfair markets are up but all unmatched money was cancelled.

    Sigh.

    Why does that matter?
    I might be being unfair to him, but it suggests that Alistair might be disappointed at the lack of open positions left by mug punters who haven't reacted to the news ?
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,322

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    No no no! It's Whitty and Vallance's implied disaster chart that has scared us all into not catching Covid! 4D Chess and all that

    Whereas cases shooting up as per their graph would have made them even more clever


    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1311997238076465152?s=20

    Why would it? They clearly said at the beginning it shows how quickly things can get out of control, and that it was not a projection. Additional measures came in, and the scenario didn't come to pass.
    They knew people wouldn't take in the details. They would just see the graph and be scared. It was outrageous imho.
    The aim was to puncture complacency, I think. A restatement of "Stay Alert. Control The Virus".
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    StockyStocky Posts: 9,736
    Nigelb said:

    Stocky said:

    Alistair said:

    Yup, all the Betfair markets are up but all unmatched money was cancelled.

    Sigh.

    Why does that matter?
    I might be being unfair to him, but it suggests that Alistair might be disappointed at the lack of open positions left by mug punters who haven't reacted to the news ?
    Oh, I see. Respect.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,797
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,797
    kinabalu said:

    Stocky said:

    Biden 1.57.

    Why have BF suspended and then reopened I wonder?

    Officially -

    "The Betfair Exchange suspended betting on the US election for a brief period on Friday (October 2) in order to protect customers with unmatched bets in the market. Those bets have now been cancelled and the market re-opened at 16:30."
    Not unreasonable.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,797
    MaxPB said:

    Nigelb said:
    That's a disaster. Very bad news for everyone there.
    Yes, it's bad news indeed.
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,135
    Mango said:

    Quite looking forward to the start of what could be the last series of HIGNFY tonight. Might, of course, be saved because it went some way to improving Johnson's career.

    Although he doesn't seem to 'do' gratitude. Revenge, yes.

    If it wants to be extended then finding a way to be funny again and less full of itself would be better. HIGNFY used to be hilarious, in recent years not so much.
    I'm guessing you found it hilarious between 1997 and 2010, sporadically funny until 2015, and then not funny at all (except maybe when May was PM).
    No HIGNFY has been objectively crap for the last decade at least.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,138
    Hotel manager fined £10,000 by police after hosting a funeral attended by 200 people in Solihull

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-54387536
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Stocky said:

    Nigelb said:

    Stocky said:

    Alistair said:

    Yup, all the Betfair markets are up but all unmatched money was cancelled.

    Sigh.

    Why does that matter?
    I might be being unfair to him, but it suggests that Alistair might be disappointed at the lack of open positions left by mug punters who haven't reacted to the news ?
    Oh, I see. Respect.
    That plus I panicked a little when I saw all my green pre-supsension cashout positions had turned blood red.

    Then I realised what the situation was and calmed down.
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    Mango said:

    Quite looking forward to the start of what could be the last series of HIGNFY tonight. Might, of course, be saved because it went some way to improving Johnson's career.

    Although he doesn't seem to 'do' gratitude. Revenge, yes.

    If it wants to be extended then finding a way to be funny again and less full of itself would be better. HIGNFY used to be hilarious, in recent years not so much.
    I'm guessing you found it hilarious between 1997 and 2010, sporadically funny until 2015, and then not funny at all (except maybe when May was PM).
    It started going downhill before 2010. After Deayton left it lost a bit of the chemistry, the guest hosts for the first couple of seasons after that worked but it really started to get tired quite a while ago.
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,088
    I see my university is riddled with plague. 💩
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,327
    Nigelb said:
    It's almost as if they didn't know there was a plague happening.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,566

    Alistair said:

    dixiedean said:

    6,968 new positive cases...awaiting the scripters to publish the correct charts.

    According to what I can see the split is: Wales 462, Scotland 775, NI 934(!), England 4,797
    Yes, those are the figures I see. Per 100,000 that's:
    England 9
    Scotland 14
    Wales 15
    Northern Ireland 49

    Of course, it's Johnson that's bungling it. For what it's worth, I think a daily rate of 9 is problematic enough, but there's a reality/perception disconnect here.
    But that England 9 is a bit of an irrelevance. What is the figure for North of Sheffield say?
    I suspect higher than Scotland or Wales.
    This second wave is a regional outbreak.
    Also, as I understand it, there are fewer people per 100,000 in hospital in Scotland compared to England.
    Oh, okay. So that would suggest that testing is identifying a greater proportion of cases in Scotland. Maybe the ONS survey was on the optimistic side.
    Except isn't it the case that the ONS and Imperial surveys are based on random sampling, so should not reflect the relative efficiency or otherwise of testing laboratories or track and trace systems in different parts of the country?
    They are - that is why they are so valuable. Polling for the virus, as it were, complete with controls and methodology to eliminate biases in the samples.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,996
    Biden negative for now.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,918
    Sky News: Trump weighs 17.5 stones.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,918

    Mango said:

    Quite looking forward to the start of what could be the last series of HIGNFY tonight. Might, of course, be saved because it went some way to improving Johnson's career.

    Although he doesn't seem to 'do' gratitude. Revenge, yes.

    If it wants to be extended then finding a way to be funny again and less full of itself would be better. HIGNFY used to be hilarious, in recent years not so much.
    I'm guessing you found it hilarious between 1997 and 2010, sporadically funny until 2015, and then not funny at all (except maybe when May was PM).
    No HIGNFY has been objectively crap for the last decade at least.
    The show was best between 1990 and about 2005 IMO.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,996
    Andy_JS said:

    Sky News: Trump weighs 17.5 stones.

    Similar to the PM.
    Though maybe 8 inches taller?
    And quite a bit older.
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    Andy_JS said:

    Sky News: Trump weighs 17.5 stones.

    Seems about right. Same as Johnson was, though he's a few inches taller than Johnson.
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,135
    Biden tests negative.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,618

    I see my university is riddled with plague. 💩

    Not the end of the world, hope you're safe though!
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,419
    CNN: As the days go by, especially if the President does not develop serious complications from Covid-19, there will be increasing discussion of his recklessness amid a crisis that has killed more than 200,000 Americans. His conduct not only endangered himself and those around him. It is causing uproar around a presidential election -- the most important symbol of American democracy. The President has become the third of a trio of world leaders who were cavalier about the virus, apparently for political reasons, to get infected.
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,424
    Scott_xP said:
    It sometimes happens for contracts to test negative on the first test and positive a few days later, depending on how long the virus has had to incubate.

    I'm still nervous for Biden.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,327

    Biden tests negative.

    Thank the Lord.
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    OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,307

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    It really does seem as though the R in England has begun to stabilise. The Imperial and ONS data looks correct.

    Which is actually great. We've not locked down (nationally) but we have R around 1.
    That's certainly what the numbers would suggest - which implies that things are either levelling off everywhere, or cases are in decline again in many leafy parts but still rising in urban areas, especially up North.

    Meanwhile, we have the odd phenomenon of disproportionately high hospitalisations in Wales, versus low figures in Scotland. I'm assuming that Wales is getting hit hard because the bulk of the population lives in that band between Swansea and Newport, which has a not wholly dissimilar socio-economic profile to the major conurbations of Northern England. Scotland could simply be handling the pandemic better, or it could be a little bit behind England and Wales in this particular phase of it, in the same fashion as England and Wales turned out to be behind France. We shall know soon enough.
    Lots of our more recent cases are halls outbreaks. We're still seeing increases in hospitalisation though which isn't great, honestly.
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    Andy_JS said:

    Mango said:

    Quite looking forward to the start of what could be the last series of HIGNFY tonight. Might, of course, be saved because it went some way to improving Johnson's career.

    Although he doesn't seem to 'do' gratitude. Revenge, yes.

    If it wants to be extended then finding a way to be funny again and less full of itself would be better. HIGNFY used to be hilarious, in recent years not so much.
    I'm guessing you found it hilarious between 1997 and 2010, sporadically funny until 2015, and then not funny at all (except maybe when May was PM).
    No HIGNFY has been objectively crap for the last decade at least.
    The show was best between 1990 and about 2005 IMO.
    100% agreed.

    Should have been axed about a year or two after Deayton left IMO. Now its just very stale.
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,341
    Nigelb said:
    Now Barrett getting COVID could be a true game changer - would presumably mean she could not be confirmed before the election
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    OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,307
    kinabalu said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    No no no! It's Whitty and Vallance's implied disaster chart that has scared us all into not catching Covid! 4D Chess and all that

    Whereas cases shooting up as per their graph would have made them even more clever


    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1311997238076465152?s=20

    Why would it? They clearly said at the beginning it shows how quickly things can get out of control, and that it was not a projection. Additional measures came in, and the scenario didn't come to pass.
    They knew people wouldn't take in the details. They would just see the graph and be scared. It was outrageous imho.
    The aim was to puncture complacency, I think. A restatement of "Stay Alert. Control The Virus".
    This reminds me of studying the Y2K stuff in my engineering classes. Y2K could potentially have been a serious problem, especially in banking. But we spent lots of money fixing it and nothing much happened, so lots of people whined about "wHy DiD wE spENd So MucH moNEy oN ThiS". Fair play to the government if these restrictions have blunted the R number. And I don't say that about this shower of chucklefucks very often.
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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Nigelb said:

    MaxPB said:

    Nigelb said:
    That's a disaster. Very bad news for everyone there.
    Yes, it's bad news indeed.
    It’s not total lockdown

    Back in Madrid, the Madrid Hostelería association regrets the "imminent" closure of the premises at 11 pm due to the new measures approved, as there were "thousands of reservations" planned for today: "We do not understand how it has been possible to proceed with such an immediate closure, with just hours, and there are thousands of reservations for tonight, which can mean more than 8 million euros just today ", says the president of the association, Juan José Blardony

    It’s mainly travel restrictions and limiting night time socializing, still to be challenged in the courts.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,327

    Scott_xP said:
    It sometimes happens for contracts to test negative on the first test and positive a few days later, depending on how long the virus has had to incubate.

    I'm still nervous for Biden.
    True, but can we just enjoy 24 hours of hope that 2020 isn't going to get even worse please before his next test?
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,797
    nichomar said:

    Nigelb said:

    MaxPB said:

    Nigelb said:
    That's a disaster. Very bad news for everyone there.
    Yes, it's bad news indeed.
    It’s not total lockdown

    Back in Madrid, the Madrid Hostelería association regrets the "imminent" closure of the premises at 11 pm due to the new measures approved, as there were "thousands of reservations" planned for today: "We do not understand how it has been possible to proceed with such an immediate closure, with just hours, and there are thousands of reservations for tonight, which can mean more than 8 million euros just today ", says the president of the association, Juan José Blardony

    It’s mainly travel restrictions and limiting night time socializing, still to be challenged in the courts.
    OK, thanks.
    11pm...
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,060
    isam said:

    No no no! It's Whitty and Vallance's implied disaster chart that has scared us all into not catching Covid! 4D Chess and all that

    Whereas cases shooting up as per their graph would have made them even more clever


    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1311997238076465152?s=20

    Doesn't this show that the measures the government has introduced have been successful at slowing the growth of the virus?

    The difficulty with this virus is that one never gets a chance to test counterfactuals.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,327
    Ms. Harris [VP candidate] was tested on Thursday for the coronavirus and her test was negative, according to a Harris aide.

    NYTimes blog
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    eekeek Posts: 25,020
    edited October 2020

    I see my university is riddled with plague. 💩

    You mean the Poly - a place so stupid that the name City University of Newcastle upon Tyne got as far as logos being designed before they picked a different name.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,999
    edited October 2020

    isam said:

    No no no! It's Whitty and Vallance's implied disaster chart that has scared us all into not catching Covid! 4D Chess and all that

    Whereas cases shooting up as per their graph would have made them even more clever


    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1311997238076465152?s=20

    Hodges is an idiot. What part of "if we do nothing and it continues to double" do these idiots opposing what was done not understand?

    I can respect a philosophical idea of saying that it is better to let it run wild amongst the youth and not panic, but the bad science of people like Hodges is what really gets to me.
    I find that Hodges speaks more sense than people give him credit for, at times, but I simply cannot understand what point he thinks he is making there.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,999
    isam said:
    In recent days he certainly has added a new dimension to his 'Brexit Hard Man' self image.
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,004
    YouGov today:

    "Asked today, almost one in five Brits (18%) say they have a list of enemies, either written down or in their head"

    Unbelievable! How sad for them.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,311
    isam said:

    No no no! It's Whitty and Vallance's implied disaster chart that has scared us all into not catching Covid! 4D Chess and all that

    Whereas cases shooting up as per their graph would have made them even more clever


    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1311997238076465152?s=20

    Hodges' mother had the measure of him when she called him an idiot earlier this year.
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    Paula_SPaula_S Posts: 6
    edited October 2020

    Biden tests negative.

    Are you sure about that? People seem to be misinterpreting Mike Memoli's tweet, thinking he means Joe Biden rather than Chris Coons:

    https://twitter.com/mikememoli/status/1312024444509073410
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,999
    edited October 2020
    RobD said:

    isam said:

    No no no! It's Whitty and Vallance's implied disaster chart that has scared us all into not catching Covid! 4D Chess and all that

    Whereas cases shooting up as per their graph would have made them even more clever


    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1311997238076465152?s=20

    Why would it? They clearly said at the beginning it shows how quickly things can get out of control, and that it was not a projection. Additional measures came in, and the scenario didn't come to pass.
    The great thing that people can fall back on in such cases, is claim their confusion about so simple a point shows that the message was confusing, and so shift the line of attack even when they are wrong.

    It's one of the tools of the trade, along with finding even one example of a policy not working or causing difficulties, thus proving it must be useless in its entirety.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,322
    Andy_JS said:

    Sky News: Trump weighs 17.5 stones.

    Hope this will be a daily update from them. Transparency is important here.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,419
    Nigelb said:

    nichomar said:

    Nigelb said:

    MaxPB said:

    Nigelb said:
    That's a disaster. Very bad news for everyone there.
    Yes, it's bad news indeed.
    It’s not total lockdown

    Back in Madrid, the Madrid Hostelería association regrets the "imminent" closure of the premises at 11 pm due to the new measures approved, as there were "thousands of reservations" planned for today: "We do not understand how it has been possible to proceed with such an immediate closure, with just hours, and there are thousands of reservations for tonight, which can mean more than 8 million euros just today ", says the president of the association, Juan José Blardony

    It’s mainly travel restrictions and limiting night time socializing, still to be challenged in the courts.
    OK, thanks.
    11pm...
    11pm in Madrid is like 8pm anywhere else
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,797

    Nigelb said:
    Now Barrett getting COVID could be a true game changer - would presumably mean she could not be confirmed before the election
    In any event, ought to be isolating for a fortnight.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,988
    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    No no no! It's Whitty and Vallance's implied disaster chart that has scared us all into not catching Covid! 4D Chess and all that

    Whereas cases shooting up as per their graph would have made them even more clever


    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1311997238076465152?s=20

    Doesn't this show that the measures the government has introduced have been successful at slowing the growth of the virus?

    The difficulty with this virus is that one never gets a chance to test counterfactuals.
    I don't know if it does or not, as per your second sentence. I think your second sentence disproves the claim in the first?
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,004
    My book

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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 33,146

    Now Barrett getting COVID could be a true game changer - would presumably mean she could not be confirmed before the election

    https://twitter.com/londonvinjamuri/status/1312070278869069825
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,322

    Andy_JS said:

    Sky News: Trump weighs 17.5 stones.

    Seems about right. Same as Johnson was, though he's a few inches taller than Johnson.
    Johnson wasn't 17.5 stones pre-virus, was he? That's hefty for a short man.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,419
    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Sky News: Trump weighs 17.5 stones.

    Hope this will be a daily update from them. Transparency is important here.
    Are you expecting wild fluctuations in his weight, then?
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    Paula_SPaula_S Posts: 6
    edited October 2020
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,322
    IanB2 said:

    CNN: As the days go by, especially if the President does not develop serious complications from Covid-19, there will be increasing discussion of his recklessness amid a crisis that has killed more than 200,000 Americans. His conduct not only endangered himself and those around him. It is causing uproar around a presidential election -- the most important symbol of American democracy. The President has become the third of a trio of world leaders who were cavalier about the virus, apparently for political reasons, to get infected.

    Hmm. I wonder. I would rather this was not happening. It's throwing uncertainty into something - TrumpToast on 3/11 - that imo was just about written.
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