Where’s the full video Ms Butler? twitter.com/guardiannews/status/1293608926399864832?s=20
Since Dawn Butler's "full video" could not possibly show the police looking up the wrong registration number, what's your point?
My point is she Tweeted that she’d “recorded everything” then only released 1 minute of an 8 minute recording. The Police should release their body cam footage so we get the whole picture.
The police case is they stopped the car after the registration lookup error. If they claimed the car was careering all over the road, or had a funky smell from the window, there might be value but they are not claiming that.
A full video might show the police as unfailingly polite and apologetic or that Butler and her mate were abusive or uncooperative but even if all that were true, it would not address the reason of why the car was stopped in the first place. That is the crucial question and the rest is just a smokescreen.
It was a BMW. It will be as simple as that; not that the police can admit to that.
With blacked-out windows, as the police have already said.
If the tinted/blacked out windows broke the law then the rozzers would have issued a prohibition notice? Did they? If not why not? Oh because they were legal.
I only ask as someone who drives a vehicle with tinted windows.
They were not stopped because of the tinted windows - as you know - but the tinted windows meant they couldn’t see the occupants to “racially profile” them, as Ms Butler claims in her edited video.
If Biden does win, both the UK and the USA will likely be heading back to sensible centrist-style Government again, assuming Keir takes over in 2024
I assume you're talking Keir taking over as head of the V&A or something like that.
This govt is centrist.
Labour policy at present is STILL further to the left (most especially culturally) than at any point in my memory, the Corbyn interregnum aside.
This Government is not centrist.
It really is - it has secured more seats than any Govt since Blair's, and any Tory Govt since Thatcher.
The left like to think they're centrist; but they're not. Nor was the Cameron govt.
The Govt line on economics (steady taxation, increase public spending and grow economy) and cultural issues (tough on violent crime, enforced rules on immigration, no self identification of gender and not assuaging Marxist organisations by eg taking the knee) chimes with the public mood.
This Government is not centrist. It is more right wing than Cameron was accept on economics where they have done a bit of leftie populist pitching.
I'd say it was more populist right, than centrist.
Its more leftist than centrist just not left enough for you.
Definitely not left enough for me of course but even Labour likely isn't left wing enough for me in principle. But I get that most people aren't as left wing as me. Unlike some more of the nutty left I accept that and I'd rather have an electable Labour Party than forever opposition.
Still, this does not change my view that this Government is not centrist and it's definitely not leftist.
It certainly isn't right wing in anyway shape or form. Name a single right wing thing it has done?
Immigration policy is where I'd start.
The new post-EU immigration system is considerably more merit-based, and considerably less racist than the previous system.
We've also guaranteed safe passage for those in Hong Kong who wish to escape the Chinese who reneged on the deal they signed in 1997, and continue to offer asylum to people from around the word escaping persecution.
That doesn't sound particularly "right-wing", or do you only count our view on those escaping the horrors of France and Belgium?
Oh not this again, the EU FOM system was not racist.
What other term do you use for a system that systematically favours people coming from overwhelmingly white countries, over countries dominated by ethnic minorities?
If FoM was introduced now, along with tight restrictions on non-EU immigration, assorted lefties would be screaming that it was racist.
I wouldn't be proclaiming it was racist.
It didn't have to favour people from one country or the other, the UK Government chose to discriminate based on that fact.
The UK government did indeed make those choices in the past, and now the system is changing.
The old system was massively more favorable to those from EU countries and discriminated against those from non-EU countries.
The new system is merit-based, it doesn't care where you're from, and is therefore by definition less racist.
It's not "less racist", the old system wasn't racist to start with. That is the issue I contend with.
Unfortunately the new system excludes us from joining EEA which is a complete misstep for our economy especially with what is going on.
If you introduced today a system that favored EU immigration and cut non-EU immigration, every minority campaign group in the country would be accusing the PM of being explicitly racist, would see large demonstrations in the streets and the government in court under the various human rights legislation.
Remember that the only things that count are the effect on actual numbers from the policy (more whites, fewer non-whites) irrespective of the reasons or motivation of government, and whether the minority groups believed it was racist, such is the way that human rights legislation has been framed and interpreted over the years.
If Biden does win, both the UK and the USA will likely be heading back to sensible centrist-style Government again, assuming Keir takes over in 2024
I assume you're talking Keir taking over as head of the V&A or something like that.
This govt is centrist.
Labour policy at present is STILL further to the left (most especially culturally) than at any point in my memory, the Corbyn interregnum aside.
This Government is not centrist.
It really is - it has secured more seats than any Govt since Blair's, and any Tory Govt since Thatcher.
The left like to think they're centrist; but they're not. Nor was the Cameron govt.
The Govt line on economics (steady taxation, increase public spending and grow economy) and cultural issues (tough on violent crime, enforced rules on immigration, no self identification of gender and not assuaging Marxist organisations by eg taking the knee) chimes with the public mood.
This Government is not centrist. It is more right wing than Cameron was accept on economics where they have done a bit of leftie populist pitching.
I'd say it was more populist right, than centrist.
Its more leftist than centrist just not left enough for you.
Definitely not left enough for me of course but even Labour likely isn't left wing enough for me in principle. But I get that most people aren't as left wing as me. Unlike some more of the nutty left I accept that and I'd rather have an electable Labour Party than forever opposition.
Still, this does not change my view that this Government is not centrist and it's definitely not leftist.
It certainly isn't right wing in anyway shape or form. Name a single right wing thing it has done?
Immigration policy is where I'd start.
The new post-EU immigration system is considerably more merit-based, and considerably less racist than the previous system.
We've also guaranteed safe passage for those in Hong Kong who wish to escape the Chinese who reneged on the deal they signed in 1997, and continue to offer asylum to people from around the word escaping persecution.
That doesn't sound particularly "right-wing", or do you only count our view on those escaping the horrors of France and Belgium?
Oh not this again, the EU FOM system was not racist.
What other term do you use for a system that systematically favours people coming from overwhelmingly white countries, over countries dominated by ethnic minorities?
If FoM was introduced now, along with tight restrictions on non-EU immigration, assorted lefties would be screaming that it was racist.
I wouldn't be proclaiming it was racist.
It didn't have to favour people from one country or the other, the UK Government chose to discriminate based on that fact.
The UK government did indeed make those choices in the past, and now the system is changing.
The old system was massively more favorable to those from EU countries and discriminated against those from non-EU countries.
The new system is merit-based, it doesn't care where you're from, and is therefore by definition less racist.
It's not "less racist", the old system wasn't racist to start with. That is the issue I contend with.
Unfortunately the new system excludes us from joining EEA which is a complete misstep for our economy especially with what is going on.
If you introduced today a system that favored EU immigration and cut non-EU immigration, every minority campaign group in the country would be accusing the PM of being explicitly racist, would see large demonstrations in the streets and the government in court under the various human rights legislation.
Remember that the only things that count are the effect on actual numbers from the policy (more whites, fewer non-whites) irrespective of the reasons or motivation of government, and whether the minority groups believed it was racist, such is the way that human rights legislation has been framed and interpreted over the years.
The government recently lost a case on passenger screenings where it was ruled it was racist because it was based on a list of countries.
Can somebody explain how Johnson will be running on a hard Brexit ticket in 2024. Aren't we ending the transition period this December, is HYUFD implying we're going to delay ending it? Can't see that going down too well with Tory voters
He will be running on a ticket of staying out of the single market and customs union and controlling our own borders by retaining the new points system not returning to free movement and doing our own trade deals
Relying on the SNP is dangerous, we know Johnson will turn up the coalition of chaos rhetoric.
Keir needs to be as anti-SNP as possible.
This is totally right.
There is now no path to a Labour government that includes the SNP. And break up of the Union would be the most disastrous moment in British Socialism's history.
Any Tory PM presiding over the Union's demise would have to resign. BUT his successor would almost certainly be returned with a greater proportion of seats in the subsequent Parliament.
Why? Juncker did not resign when the UK voted to Leave the EU.
Boris would not resign either but would win the 2024 election comfortably on a platform of hard Brexit and a tough stance on negotiations with the SNP if he granted indyref2 and Scots voted Yes.
Without SNP support or large numbers of Scottish Labour seats Starmer needs a 1997 style swing to become PM
For some reason I have to keep telling you this, but: you do realise that Brexit has already happened? There is no “hard Brexit” platform to run on in 2024, because Brexit would have happened many years ago, and we’ll already be 3 years into our glorious new trading relationship.
Which out of the single market and customs union would mean border posts at Berwick and tariffs on Scottish exports to England
The border post would be at Lamberton Toll, as anyone who knows the geography at all could tell you.
Which is not what has happened. Do you prefer being able to run down the government because of the England figures being worse than the other uk nations? At least now the numbers can be fairly compared.
This isn't or shouldn't be a macabre popularity or virility contest. No one has "won", we have all lost and it doesn't matter whether you think the death toll is 40,000 or 60,000, really, it doesn't.
Every death is a tragedy - as a wise man once said "we're all someone's daughter, we're all someone's son".
MY brother tested positive for the fourth time yesterday - the medics treating him now think a low white blood cell count is stopping him fighting off the virus. He is having his flat deep cleaned and "fogged" but at least they are taking an interest now. He can't work or visit his children at present.
There are many thousands of people who are and will continue to suffer long-term medical problems from this virus and if all we have are lines on charts and graphs, excel spreadsheets and a "my country's got fewer dead than yours" mentality, I'm saddened.
The dead deserve better, the suffering deserve better.
Gosh that is awful to hear @stodge - haven't heard much about people not being able to clear themselves of the virus, but he can't be alone. Shocking virus.
In Italy there was a man who had at least 13 positive tests. At least because at the time of the article (end of June) he was waiting the outcome of the 14th test. He was at his 87th day in hospital.
Can somebody explain how Johnson will be running on a hard Brexit ticket in 2024. Aren't we ending the transition period this December, is HYUFD implying we're going to delay ending it? Can't see that going down too well with Tory voters
He will be running on a ticket of staying out of the single market and customs union and controlling our own borders by retaining the new points system not returning to free movement and doing our own trade deals
Labour may very well be running on the same ticket. That wont be “hard Brexit” that will be “status quo”.
Only a factor of four out. Why hasn't the dashboard been updated?
I'm not so sure about the 28 day cut off. Derek Draper, for example, has been in ICU since March 30 and may yet die - of Covid, presumably. I'm sure there are others who are not minor celebrities, but no idea how many. By contrast, not many ex-Covid sufferers have been subsequently run over by buses, despite what some on here claim.
Where’s the full video Ms Butler? twitter.com/guardiannews/status/1293608926399864832?s=20
Since Dawn Butler's "full video" could not possibly show the police looking up the wrong registration number, what's your point?
My point is she Tweeted that she’d “recorded everything” then only released 1 minute of an 8 minute recording. The Police should release their body cam footage so we get the whole picture.
The police case is they stopped the car after the registration lookup error. If they claimed the car was careering all over the road, or had a funky smell from the window, there might be value but they are not claiming that.
A full video might show the police as unfailingly polite and apologetic or that Butler and her mate were abusive or uncooperative but even if all that were true, it would not address the reason of why the car was stopped in the first place. That is the crucial question and the rest is just a smokescreen.
It was a BMW. It will be as simple as that; not that the police can admit to that.
With blacked-out windows, as the police have already said.
Which meant they couldn’t racially profile the occupants as they couldn’t see them.
Correct, which goes against the MP's story that they were racially profiled by the police.
As opposed to driving the only fancy car in a sh!tty neighborhood where the only fancy cars are driven by drug dealers, which is the more likely explanation we'll never hear.
Where’s the full video Ms Butler? twitter.com/guardiannews/status/1293608926399864832?s=20
Since Dawn Butler's "full video" could not possibly show the police looking up the wrong registration number, what's your point?
My point is she Tweeted that she’d “recorded everything” then only released 1 minute of an 8 minute recording. The Police should release their body cam footage so we get the whole picture.
The police case is they stopped the car after the registration lookup error. If they claimed the car was careering all over the road, or had a funky smell from the window, there might be value but they are not claiming that.
A full video might show the police as unfailingly polite and apologetic or that Butler and her mate were abusive or uncooperative but even if all that were true, it would not address the reason of why the car was stopped in the first place. That is the crucial question and the rest is just a smokescreen.
It was a BMW. It will be as simple as that; not that the police can admit to that.
With blacked-out windows, as the police have already said.
If the tinted/blacked out windows broke the law then the rozzers would have issued a prohibition notice? Did they? If not why not? Oh because they were legal.
I only ask as someone who drives a vehicle with tinted windows.
Cars with tinted windows draw the attention of the police as I guess they are more likely to be dodgy. People might not like that but I don't see it as being an different to when I used to always get stopped going into away games. Unfortunately for me I just look like trouble (I'm not). Not that stewards in England actually do a proper search, unlike the Italians...
Can somebody explain how Johnson will be running on a hard Brexit ticket in 2024. Aren't we ending the transition period this December, is HYUFD implying we're going to delay ending it? Can't see that going down too well with Tory voters
I don't know, but it could be something like this;
1. The Deal this autumn is a "give the UK utter freedom that it freely chooses not to use" type. Not an extension, no siree. But as long as we shadow EU rules and freely bung them a few hundred mill per week, they agree not to have any border paperwork. Because it's the paperwork that will make the system fall over. (Crudely, we trade immigration control for any say at all in EU rules).
2. 2024 becomes about the Mandate for True Liberation, Using The Freedom To Diverge And Implement Brilliant Deals. Whereas Boring Old Starmer wants to keep us in Boring Old Following Rules We Have No Say In. And the sky didn't fall in in 2021, did it?
Totes shameless, but I do think that the government needs to keep Brexit's final state abstract and in peril for as long as possible.
There's even a self-isolation hotline he could have called.
You can tell Remainers even when they are talking about something entirely different (like this). Their comments/tweets always have this petulant, whiney, narcissistic, personally entitled and recently affronted quality.
They probably sound like this when they are discussing breakfast. Ghastly wankers.
It occurs to me these Remainers are the modern equivalent of "Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells". Whatever subject has alerted them, their mental response is comically predictable in tone and attitude.
Only a factor of four out. Why hasn't the dashboard been updated?
I'm not so sure about the 28 day cut off. Derek Draper, for example, has been in ICU since March 30 and may yet die - of Covid, presumably. I'm sure there are others who are not minor celebrities, but no idea how many. By contrast, not many ex-Covid sufferers have been subsequently run over by buses, despite what some on here claim.
I wonder how many of those cases there are relative to bus accidents etc. Of course, the gold standard will be excess deaths, but this change brings it into line with many other countries.
Relying on the SNP is dangerous, we know Johnson will turn up the coalition of chaos rhetoric.
Keir needs to be as anti-SNP as possible.
This is totally right.
There is now no path to a Labour government that includes the SNP. And break up of the Union would be the most disastrous moment in British Socialism's history.
Any Tory PM presiding over the Union's demise would have to resign. BUT his successor would almost certainly be returned with a greater proportion of seats in the subsequent Parliament.
Why? Juncker did not resign when the UK voted to Leave the EU.
Boris would not resign either but would win the 2024 election comfortably on a platform of hard Brexit and a tough stance on negotiations with the SNP if he granted indyref2 and Scots voted Yes.
Without SNP support or large numbers of Scottish Labour seats Starmer needs a 1997 style swing to become PM
Of course Boris would have to resign. Just as Cameron admitted (after the event) that he would have resigned over a YES vote. Just as Cameron actually did resign after Brexit.
You cannot preside over a catastrophically lost and epochally important referendum and still continue in power. Boris would be instant toast. Especially when everyone could say: It was in your power to refuse a referendum, why did you grant it?
Juncker allowed the UK to have an EU referendum and when it voted Leave stayed and ensured no easy trade deal for the UK, Boris would do the same with the SNP.
Cameron was an English gentleman with a sense of honour, Boris is a duplicituous, ruthless opportunist, plus his base will want him to stay
"Coronavirus: England death count review reduces UK toll by 5,000
A review of how deaths from coronavirus are counted in England has reduced the UK death toll by more than 5,000, to 41,329, the government has announced.
And figures for deaths in England for the most recent week of data - 18 to 24 July - will drop by 75%, from 442 to 111."
Only a factor of four out. Why hasn't the dashboard been updated?
I'm not so sure about the 28 day cut off. Derek Draper, for example, has been in ICU since March 30 and may yet die - of Covid, presumably. I'm sure there are others who are not minor celebrities, but no idea how many. By contrast, not many ex-Covid sufferers have been subsequently run over by buses, despite what some on here claim.
The Derek Draper story sounds particularly horrible, and there's likely dozens more like him in ICUs around the country that we don't know about.
Relying on the SNP is dangerous, we know Johnson will turn up the coalition of chaos rhetoric.
Keir needs to be as anti-SNP as possible.
This is totally right.
There is now no path to a Labour government that includes the SNP. And break up of the Union would be the most disastrous moment in British Socialism's history.
Any Tory PM presiding over the Union's demise would have to resign. BUT his successor would almost certainly be returned with a greater proportion of seats in the subsequent Parliament.
Why? Juncker did not resign when the UK voted to Leave the EU.
Boris would not resign either but would win the 2024 election comfortably on a platform of hard Brexit and a tough stance on negotiations with the SNP if he granted indyref2 and Scots voted Yes.
Without SNP support or large numbers of Scottish Labour seats Starmer needs a 1997 style swing to become PM
Of course Boris would have to resign. Just as Cameron admitted (after the event) that he would have resigned over a YES vote. Just as Cameron actually did resign after Brexit.
You cannot preside over a catastrophically lost and epochally important referendum and still continue in power. Boris would be instant toast. Especially when everyone could say: It was in your power to refuse a referendum, why did you grant it?
Juncker allowed the UK to have an EU referendum and when it voted Leave stayed and ensured no easy trade deal for the UK, Boris would do the same with the SNP.
Cameron was an English gentleman with a sense of honour, Boris is a duplicituous, ruthless opportunist, plus his base will want him to stay
"English"? British. Please get your messaging from CCHQ correct.
Amazing how many Americans don't want to live in a democracy.
A lot of the Right in America are quite open about being republicans and not democrats (with a small first letter on both). They would be quite on board with formally limiting the franchise to just those that they deem worthy of it. Which of course always includes themselves.
There's even a self-isolation hotline he could have called.
You can tell Remainers even when they are talking about something entirely different (like this). Their comments/tweets always have this petulant, whiney, narcissistic, personally entitled and recently affronted quality.
They probably sound like this when they are discussing breakfast. Ghastly wankers.
It occurs to me these Remainers are the modern equivalent of "Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells". Whatever subject has alerted them, their mental response is comically predictable in tone and attitude.
Relying on the SNP is dangerous, we know Johnson will turn up the coalition of chaos rhetoric.
Keir needs to be as anti-SNP as possible.
This is totally right.
There is now no path to a Labour government that includes the SNP. And break up of the Union would be the most disastrous moment in British Socialism's history.
Any Tory PM presiding over the Union's demise would have to resign. BUT his successor would almost certainly be returned with a greater proportion of seats in the subsequent Parliament.
Why? Juncker did not resign when the UK voted to Leave the EU.
Boris would not resign either but would win the 2024 election comfortably on a platform of hard Brexit and a tough stance on negotiations with the SNP if he granted indyref2 and Scots voted Yes.
Without SNP support or large numbers of Scottish Labour seats Starmer needs a 1997 style swing to become PM
Of course Boris would have to resign. Just as Cameron admitted (after the event) that he would have resigned over a YES vote. Just as Cameron actually did resign after Brexit.
You cannot preside over a catastrophically lost and epochally important referendum and still continue in power. Boris would be instant toast. Especially when everyone could say: It was in your power to refuse a referendum, why did you grant it?
Juncker allowed the UK to have an EU referendum and when it voted Leave stayed and ensured no easy trade deal for the UK, Boris would do the same with the SNP.
Cameron was an English gentleman with a sense of honour, Boris is a duplicituous, ruthless opportunist, plus his base will want him to stay
"English"? British. Please get your messaging from CCHQ correct.
Only a factor of four out. Why hasn't the dashboard been updated?
Either because the Government is plain straightforward useless; or it wants to report deliberately inflated death figures in order to keep on frightening people, which it thinks will have a positive effect on suppressing the virus.
Relying on the SNP is dangerous, we know Johnson will turn up the coalition of chaos rhetoric.
Keir needs to be as anti-SNP as possible.
This is totally right.
There is now no path to a Labour government that includes the SNP. And break up of the Union would be the most disastrous moment in British Socialism's history.
Any Tory PM presiding over the Union's demise would have to resign. BUT his successor would almost certainly be returned with a greater proportion of seats in the subsequent Parliament.
Why? Juncker did not resign when the UK voted to Leave the EU.
Boris would not resign either but would win the 2024 election comfortably on a platform of hard Brexit and a tough stance on negotiations with the SNP if he granted indyref2 and Scots voted Yes.
Without SNP support or large numbers of Scottish Labour seats Starmer needs a 1997 style swing to become PM
Of course Boris would have to resign. Just as Cameron admitted (after the event) that he would have resigned over a YES vote. Just as Cameron actually did resign after Brexit.
You cannot preside over a catastrophically lost and epochally important referendum and still continue in power. Boris would be instant toast. Especially when everyone could say: It was in your power to refuse a referendum, why did you grant it?
Juncker allowed the UK to have an EU referendum and when it voted Leave stayed and ensured no easy trade deal for the UK, Boris would do the same with the SNP.
Cameron was an English gentleman with a sense of honour, Boris is a duplicituous, ruthless opportunist, plus his base will want him to stay
"English"? British. Please get your messaging from CCHQ correct.
The last few days in London have felt distinctly odd. Like we have crossed some weather Rubicon.
I've been here for even hotter days (tho all these are close to the record), but this last week feels like a climatic step change. I don't know why. But it does.
Amazing how many Americans don't want to live in a democracy.
My Trump-supporting friend in Florida is quite explicit in his disdain for democracy.
You would think he would make it 95 or 97 every so often wouldn't you. Has anyone actually challenged him on where this regular 96% comes from?
I would imagine it is 96% of a steadily diminshing Party, as those that don't like him just leave. Would be interesting to see the GOP membership numbers since he was elected.
Can somebody explain how Johnson will be running on a hard Brexit ticket in 2024. Aren't we ending the transition period this December, is HYUFD implying we're going to delay ending it? Can't see that going down too well with Tory voters
He will be running on a ticket of staying out of the single market and customs union and controlling our own borders by retaining the new points system not returning to free movement and doing our own trade deals
Labour may very well be running on the same ticket. That wont be “hard Brexit” that will be “status quo”.
If Starmer ruled out returning to the single market and customs union he would lose Remainers back to the LDs
You have to remember, a lot of Scots suffer in the sun, so their idea of what is just right is different. I love the chilly morning haar [fog and mist off the North Sea].
The last few days in London have felt distinctly odd. Like we have crossed some weather Rubicon.
I've been here for even hotter days (tho all these are close to the record), but this last week feels like a climatic step change. I don't know why. But it does.
I've been in St Andrews where the temperature maxed out at about 18 degrees. Very pleasant.
I doubt London has experienced weather like this - a week of sustained VERY high temps - for many centuries. The medieval warm period? Roman times, when they grew vines in Yorkshire?
Relying on the SNP is dangerous, we know Johnson will turn up the coalition of chaos rhetoric.
Keir needs to be as anti-SNP as possible.
This is totally right.
There is now no path to a Labour government that includes the SNP. And break up of the Union would be the most disastrous moment in British Socialism's history.
Any Tory PM presiding over the Union's demise would have to resign. BUT his successor would almost certainly be returned with a greater proportion of seats in the subsequent Parliament.
Why? Juncker did not resign when the UK voted to Leave the EU.
Boris would not resign either but would win the 2024 election comfortably on a platform of hard Brexit and a tough stance on negotiations with the SNP if he granted indyref2 and Scots voted Yes.
Without SNP support or large numbers of Scottish Labour seats Starmer needs a 1997 style swing to become PM
Of course Boris would have to resign. Just as Cameron admitted (after the event) that he would have resigned over a YES vote. Just as Cameron actually did resign after Brexit.
You cannot preside over a catastrophically lost and epochally important referendum and still continue in power. Boris would be instant toast. Especially when everyone could say: It was in your power to refuse a referendum, why did you grant it?
Juncker allowed the UK to have an EU referendum and when it voted Leave stayed and ensured no easy trade deal for the UK, Boris would do the same with the SNP.
Cameron was an English gentleman with a sense of honour, Boris is a duplicituous, ruthless opportunist, plus his base will want him to stay
"English"? British. Please get your messaging from CCHQ correct.
You have to remember, a lot of Scots suffer in the sun, so their idea of what is just right is different. I love the chilly morning haar [fog and mist off the North Sea].
When I lived in Berwick the haar would roll in over the golf course and sometimes stay for days or even weeks. It was not pleasant
The last few days in London have felt distinctly odd. Like we have crossed some weather Rubicon.
I've been here for even hotter days (tho all these are close to the record), but this last week feels like a climatic step change. I don't know why. But it does.
I've been in St Andrews where the temperature maxed out at about 18 degrees. Very pleasant.
Our rate has dropped below Spain's with the revised figures.
Great Johnson can now get a gold star to stick on his achievement chart.
Meanwhile the US has passed Vatican City and Oman in population-adjusted case rates and now sits eighth in the world. The only country of any size that is higher is Chile.
You have to remember, a lot of Scots suffer in the sun, so their idea of what is just right is different. I love the chilly morning haar [fog and mist off the North Sea].
Do a lot of Scots really suffer in the sun? Really?
I have loads of Scottish relatives, friends, colleagues. They generally despise Scottish weather, especially the lack of reliable summers of any sort.
Most of them love the country in many other ways, some are ardent Nats! But the weather and the midges: those they could do without.
Only a factor of four out. Why hasn't the dashboard been updated?
I'm not so sure about the 28 day cut off. Derek Draper, for example, has been in ICU since March 30 and may yet die - of Covid, presumably. I'm sure there are others who are not minor celebrities, but no idea how many. By contrast, not many ex-Covid sufferers have been subsequently run over by buses, despite what some on here claim.
The Derek Draper story sounds particularly horrible, and there's likely dozens more like him in ICUs around the country that we don't know about.
"8. Does this methodology not mean that deaths will be undercounted from now on? No. We are conscious that due to the unstable nature of the disease, applying a time limitation could potentially miss COVID-19 deaths, hence all cases with COVID-19- reported on their death registration will be included regardless of their time to death from the initial infection date."
Only a factor of four out. Why hasn't the dashboard been updated?
I'm not so sure about the 28 day cut off. Derek Draper, for example, has been in ICU since March 30 and may yet die - of Covid, presumably. I'm sure there are others who are not minor celebrities, but no idea how many. By contrast, not many ex-Covid sufferers have been subsequently run over by buses, despite what some on here claim.
The Derek Draper story sounds particularly horrible, and there's likely dozens more like him in ICUs around the country that we don't know about.
It is horrible, but there probably aren't that many very long term Covid patients in ICUs. The total number still requiring ventilator beds is only about 70 at present.
The 28 day cut off is a fudge, to save PHE making the effort to gather truly accurate statistics, but it's certainly an improvement on the previous situation. We should also bear in mind that it's quite possible (especially given the very advanced age profile of Covid victims) that there will be a lot more people who will have died with, but not of, Covid-19 within a month of testing positive than there will be people who have died of Covid-19, but more than a month after testing positive.
The last few days in London have felt distinctly odd. Like we have crossed some weather Rubicon.
I've been here for even hotter days (tho all these are close to the record), but this last week feels like a climatic step change. I don't know why. But it does.
Is it the length and relentlessness? English tradition is two hot days and a thunderstorm that breaks the heat. We've had six days, six nights and no particular letup. And all those *&##$%?! thunderstorms this afternoon went to the west of London, not the east.
You have to remember, a lot of Scots suffer in the sun, so their idea of what is just right is different. I love the chilly morning haar [fog and mist off the North Sea].
Do a lot of Scots really suffer in the sun? Really?
I have loads of Scottish relatives, friends, colleagues. They generally despise Scottish weather, especially the lack of reliable summers of any sort.
Most of them love the country in many other ways, some are ardent Nats! But the weather and the midges: those they could do without.
The pale skinned ones with freckles do, for sure.
Edit: and as time goes on, people will appreciate having full reservoirs more and more. I certainly do.
"To an extent, @PHE_uk reporting has been comical but many people have been genuinely distressed, wrongly believing reports of continuing high numbers of deaths from Coronavirus each day."
I`ve been commenting about this on PB.com for weeks now. The government is simply doing an appalling job at getting across how quickly and consistently infections/hospitalisations/deaths have fallen. I know they are battling the media, inc the BBC, who seem determined to paint negative pictures, but I am genuinely baffled as to how the government can be so bad at this.
Are they trying to keep people scared? I may rewatch Adam Curtis`s "The power of Nightmares" documentary because it`s ringing a bell.
You have to remember, a lot of Scots suffer in the sun, so their idea of what is just right is different. I love the chilly morning haar [fog and mist off the North Sea].
On a cold day a similar survey on if its too cold would definitely highlight a north south difference with no self respecting northerner admitting it was too cold.
You have to remember, a lot of Scots suffer in the sun, so their idea of what is just right is different. I love the chilly morning haar [fog and mist off the North Sea].
When I lived in Berwick the haar would roll in over the golf course and sometimes stay for days or even weeks. It was not pleasant
I know the golf course well! We'll just have to differ.
The raw figures are grim. Britain has the worst overall COVID-19 death toll in Europe, with more than 46,000 dead according to official figures
Which goes to the wider point of the incompetence of much of the machinery of the British state.
I think the ONS general deaths stats publication has been fantastic. I know the ONS were getting grief about GDP this morning, but the deaths stats release is top notch.
On the one hand I'm concerned that it took so long for someone to ask the question as to why the number of deaths weren't falling to the levels seen elsewhere. But on the other hand hopefully that means they were focussing on the job in hand rather than questioning the stats.
The last few days in London have felt distinctly odd. Like we have crossed some weather Rubicon.
I've been here for even hotter days (tho all these are close to the record), but this last week feels like a climatic step change. I don't know why. But it does.
Is it the length and relentlessness? English tradition is two hot days and a thunderstorm that breaks the heat. We've had six days, six nights and no particular letup. And all those *&##$%?! thunderstorms this afternoon went to the west of London, not the east.
You have to remember, a lot of Scots suffer in the sun, so their idea of what is just right is different. I love the chilly morning haar [fog and mist off the North Sea].
When I lived in Berwick the haar would roll in over the golf course and sometimes stay for days or even weeks. It was not pleasant
Much rather that than this filthy stinking heat. You can't escape it and can't do anything in it but suffer and long for it to be over.
Scotland definitely gets the best end of the weather deal in Britain, even the really rainy bits out West.
The last few days in London have felt distinctly odd. Like we have crossed some weather Rubicon.
I've been here for even hotter days (tho all these are close to the record), but this last week feels like a climatic step change. I don't know why. But it does.
Is it the length and relentlessness? English tradition is two hot days and a thunderstorm that breaks the heat. We've had six days, six nights and no particular letup. And all those *&##$%?! thunderstorms this afternoon went to the west of London, not the east.
Yes it's the relentlessness. This is like being in Madrid in high summer. It is still ongoing. I am sitting in my study, the storms boomed but never arrived, at 8.30pm it is 27C, the sky is clear, and if anything it "feels" warmer.
And this comes after the driest, warmest, sunniest Spring on record.
You know, I begin to wonder if there is something to this whole "climate change" malarkey, which some hyper-aware young people have been recently talking about, as I understand it.
Relying on the SNP is dangerous, we know Johnson will turn up the coalition of chaos rhetoric.
Keir needs to be as anti-SNP as possible.
This is totally right.
There is now no path to a Labour government that includes the SNP. And break up of the Union would be the most disastrous moment in British Socialism's history.
Any Tory PM presiding over the Union's demise would have to resign. BUT his successor would almost certainly be returned with a greater proportion of seats in the subsequent Parliament.
Why? Juncker did not resign when the UK voted to Leave the EU.
Boris would not resign either but would win the 2024 election comfortably on a platform of hard Brexit and a tough stance on negotiations with the SNP if he granted indyref2 and Scots voted Yes.
Without SNP support or large numbers of Scottish Labour seats Starmer needs a 1997 style swing to become PM
Of course Boris would have to resign. Just as Cameron admitted (after the event) that he would have resigned over a YES vote. Just as Cameron actually did resign after Brexit.
You cannot preside over a catastrophically lost and epochally important referendum and still continue in power. Boris would be instant toast. Especially when everyone could say: It was in your power to refuse a referendum, why did you grant it?
Juncker allowed the UK to have an EU referendum and when it voted Leave stayed and ensured no easy trade deal for the UK, Boris would do the same with the SNP.
Cameron was an English gentleman with a sense of honour, Boris is a duplicituous, ruthless opportunist, plus his base will want him to stay
"English"? British. Please get your messaging from CCHQ correct.
You have to remember, a lot of Scots suffer in the sun, so their idea of what is just right is different. I love the chilly morning haar [fog and mist off the North Sea].
Do a lot of Scots really suffer in the sun? Really?
I have loads of Scottish relatives, friends, colleagues. They generally despise Scottish weather, especially the lack of reliable summers of any sort.
Most of them love the country in many other ways, some are ardent Nats! But the weather and the midges: those they could do without.
The pale skinned ones with freckles do, for sure.
Edit: and as time goes on, people will appreciate having full reservoirs more and more. I certainly do.
My Scottish rellies are all Celts like me - pale skin and freckles - and they continuously whinge about Scottish weather, despite being Scottish patriots.
You have to remember, a lot of Scots suffer in the sun, so their idea of what is just right is different. I love the chilly morning haar [fog and mist off the North Sea].
When I lived in Berwick the haar would roll in over the golf course and sometimes stay for days or even weeks. It was not pleasant
I know the golf course well! We'll just have to differ.
It was 9 holes when I lived there and believe you me we did not like the haar
You have to remember, a lot of Scots suffer in the sun, so their idea of what is just right is different. I love the chilly morning haar [fog and mist off the North Sea].
When I lived in Berwick the haar would roll in over the golf course and sometimes stay for days or even weeks. It was not pleasant
Much rather that than this filthy stinking heat. You can't escape it and can't do anything in it but suffer and long for it to be over.
Scotland definitely gets the best end of the weather deal in Britain, even the really rainy bits out West.
You have to remember, a lot of Scots suffer in the sun, so their idea of what is just right is different. I love the chilly morning haar [fog and mist off the North Sea].
When I lived in Berwick the haar would roll in over the golf course and sometimes stay for days or even weeks. It was not pleasant
Much rather that than this filthy stinking heat. You can't escape it and can't do anything in it but suffer and long for it to be over.
Scotland definitely gets the best end of the weather deal in Britain, even the really rainy bits out West.
I agree with you on almost everything Black Rook - but we differ on this. More hot weather please!
Only a factor of four out. Why hasn't the dashboard been updated?
I'm not so sure about the 28 day cut off. Derek Draper, for example, has been in ICU since March 30 and may yet die - of Covid, presumably. I'm sure there are others who are not minor celebrities, but no idea how many. By contrast, not many ex-Covid sufferers have been subsequently run over by buses, despite what some on here claim.
My suspicion most of the difference will in care homes. Many will have tested positive in March and April, not died of Covid, but have now passed, naturally, of something else. The run over by a bus is a redutco al absurdio (no idea if that’s spelled correctly) to show the issue with the method. No method is perfect, no method is really right, and as others have said this awful viruses is causing massive distress. It still needs a sensible approach to be taken to data, not least within one nation.
You have to remember, a lot of Scots suffer in the sun, so their idea of what is just right is different. I love the chilly morning haar [fog and mist off the North Sea].
Do a lot of Scots really suffer in the sun? Really?
I have loads of Scottish relatives, friends, colleagues. They generally despise Scottish weather, especially the lack of reliable summers of any sort.
Most of them love the country in many other ways, some are ardent Nats! But the weather and the midges: those they could do without.
The pale skinned ones with freckles do, for sure.
Edit: and as time goes on, people will appreciate having full reservoirs more and more. I certainly do.
My Scottish rellies are all Celts like me - pale skin and freckles - and they continuously whinge about Scottish weather, despite being Scottish patriots.
Only a factor of four out. Why hasn't the dashboard been updated?
I'm not so sure about the 28 day cut off. Derek Draper, for example, has been in ICU since March 30 and may yet die - of Covid, presumably. I'm sure there are others who are not minor celebrities, but no idea how many. By contrast, not many ex-Covid sufferers have been subsequently run over by buses, despite what some on here claim.
My suspicion most of the difference will in care homes. Many will have tested positive in March and April, not died of Covid, but have now passed, naturally, of something else. The run over by a bus is a redutco al absurdio (no idea if that’s spelled correctly) to show the issue with the method. No method is perfect, no method is really right, and as others have said this awful viruses is causing massive distress. It still needs a sensible approach to be taken to data, not least within one nation.
As I`ve said before, the death figures are flawed and, of course, we can never know how many infections there have been - the statistic to pay attention to is the number of hospitalisations due to covid.
You have to remember, a lot of Scots suffer in the sun, so their idea of what is just right is different. I love the chilly morning haar [fog and mist off the North Sea].
When I lived in Berwick the haar would roll in over the golf course and sometimes stay for days or even weeks. It was not pleasant
Much rather that than this filthy stinking heat. You can't escape it and can't do anything in it but suffer and long for it to be over.
Scotland definitely gets the best end of the weather deal in Britain, even the really rainy bits out West.
That's...... an unusual take
I'm actually finding that I've adapted to this weather.
Lighter clothing, smaller stride, seeking out the shady side of the street. Today I managed to compose two resident surveys and have a nice state subsidised lunch (al fresco) in addition to a day's work.
You have to remember, a lot of Scots suffer in the sun, so their idea of what is just right is different. I love the chilly morning haar [fog and mist off the North Sea].
When I lived in Berwick the haar would roll in over the golf course and sometimes stay for days or even weeks. It was not pleasant
Much rather that than this filthy stinking heat. You can't escape it and can't do anything in it but suffer and long for it to be over.
Scotland definitely gets the best end of the weather deal in Britain, even the really rainy bits out West.
That's...... an unusual take
I'm actually finding that I've adapted to this weather.
Lighter clothing, smaller stride, seeking out the shady side of the street. Today I managed to compose two resident surveys and have a nice state subsidised lunch (al fresco) in addition to a day's work.
Oh and a Canadian whiskey with A LOT of ice just before bed works a treat for me!
The last few days in London have felt distinctly odd. Like we have crossed some weather Rubicon.
I've been here for even hotter days (tho all these are close to the record), but this last week feels like a climatic step change. I don't know why. But it does.
Is it the length and relentlessness? English tradition is two hot days and a thunderstorm that breaks the heat. We've had six days, six nights and no particular letup. And all those *&##$%?! thunderstorms this afternoon went to the west of London, not the east.
The last few days in London have felt distinctly odd. Like we have crossed some weather Rubicon.
I've been here for even hotter days (tho all these are close to the record), but this last week feels like a climatic step change. I don't know why. But it does.
Is it the length and relentlessness? English tradition is two hot days and a thunderstorm that breaks the heat. We've had six days, six nights and no particular letup. And all those *&##$%?! thunderstorms this afternoon went to the west of London, not the east.
Yes it's the relentlessness. This is like being in Madrid in high summer. It is still ongoing. I am sitting in my study, the storms boomed but never arrived, at 8.30pm it is 27C, the sky is clear, and if anything it "feels" warmer.
And this comes after the driest, warmest, sunniest Spring on record.
You know, I begin to wonder if there is something to this whole "climate change" malarkey, which some hyper-aware young people have been recently talking about, as I understand it.
A lot of it is about getting the lifestyle right. I lived in Seville for a while, and the temptation to paint my house white, install window shutters, plant a bajillion geraniums and make the street 90% narrower is hard to resist right now.
Oh, and sleep every afternoon and spend August in a cottage by the coast. (Not that I managed either of those at the time).
The last few days in London have felt distinctly odd. Like we have crossed some weather Rubicon.
I've been here for even hotter days (tho all these are close to the record), but this last week feels like a climatic step change. I don't know why. But it does.
Is it the length and relentlessness? English tradition is two hot days and a thunderstorm that breaks the heat. We've had six days, six nights and no particular letup. And all those *&##$%?! thunderstorms this afternoon went to the west of London, not the east.
Yes it's the relentlessness. This is like being in Madrid in high summer. It is still ongoing. I am sitting in my study, the storms boomed but never arrived, at 8.30pm it is 27C, the sky is clear, and if anything it "feels" warmer.
And this comes after the driest, warmest, sunniest Spring on record.
You know, I begin to wonder if there is something to this whole "climate change" malarkey, which some hyper-aware young people have been recently talking about, as I understand it.
A lot of it is about getting the lifestyle right. I lived in Seville for a while, and the temptation to paint my house white, install window shutters, plant a bajillion geraniums and make the street 90% narrower is hard to resist right now.
Oh, and sleep every afternoon and spend August in a cottage by the coast. (Not that I managed either of those at the time).
Agreed! I was in London a couple of years ago during a similar heatwave. Supper at Le Pont de la Tour on a Sunday night in this weather was just sublime.
The last few days in London have felt distinctly odd. Like we have crossed some weather Rubicon.
I've been here for even hotter days (tho all these are close to the record), but this last week feels like a climatic step change. I don't know why. But it does.
Is it the length and relentlessness? English tradition is two hot days and a thunderstorm that breaks the heat. We've had six days, six nights and no particular letup. And all those *&##$%?! thunderstorms this afternoon went to the west of London, not the east.
Yes it's the relentlessness. This is like being in Madrid in high summer. It is still ongoing. I am sitting in my study, the storms boomed but never arrived, at 8.30pm it is 27C, the sky is clear, and if anything it "feels" warmer.
And this comes after the driest, warmest, sunniest Spring on record.
You know, I begin to wonder if there is something to this whole "climate change" malarkey, which some hyper-aware young people have been recently talking about, as I understand it.
A lot of it is about getting the lifestyle right. I lived in Seville for a while, and the temptation to paint my house white, install window shutters, plant a bajillion geraniums and make the street 90% narrower is hard to resist right now.
Oh, and sleep every afternoon and spend August in a cottage by the coast. (Not that I managed either of those at the time).
27 feels like 29 at the moment, dramatic thunderstorms last night with little rain. No change indicated in the next ten days.
You have to remember, a lot of Scots suffer in the sun, so their idea of what is just right is different. I love the chilly morning haar [fog and mist off the North Sea].
When I lived in Berwick the haar would roll in over the golf course and sometimes stay for days or even weeks. It was not pleasant
Much rather that than this filthy stinking heat. You can't escape it and can't do anything in it but suffer and long for it to be over.
Scotland definitely gets the best end of the weather deal in Britain, even the really rainy bits out West.
That's...... an unusual take
I'm actually finding that I've adapted to this weather.
Lighter clothing, smaller stride, seeking out the shady side of the street. Today I managed to compose two resident surveys and have a nice state subsidised lunch (al fresco) in addition to a day's work.
Likewise. I have finally worked out how to get a cool draught through the house (sash windows at north and south all open, but blinds down).
I eat little. I seek shade outside but I do go outside. Cold drinks aplenty. Endless water.
And I do love the warmth in general. It feels opulent, generous, rich. It makes you more carefree. And the London girls wear such tiny garments, it sometimes distracts me from my axolotls.
That makes a massive difference to the current response, if 5,000 of the past 6,000 deaths are affected by the revisions.
Of course, the national news tonight will lead on three deaths and six injuries in a freak accident in the bad weather - numbers which are totally insignificant in the grand scheme of things.
"To an extent, @PHE_uk reporting has been comical but many people have been genuinely distressed, wrongly believing reports of continuing high numbers of deaths from Coronavirus each day."
I`ve been commenting about this on PB.com for weeks now. The government is simply doing an appalling job at getting across how quickly and consistently infections/hospitalisations/deaths have fallen. I know they are battling the media, inc the BBC, who seem determined to paint negative pictures, but I am genuinely baffled as to how the government can be so bad at this.
Are they trying to keep people scared? I may rewatch Adam Curtis`s "The power of Nightmares" documentary because it`s ringing a bell.
The possibility that it's a deliberate strategy to scare should not be discounted. Firstly, it'll help to persuade the already very anxious part of the population - which includes a lot of elderly people and a significant minority of shielders - to keep voluntarily self-isolating. The longer they keep behaving as if it's still April, the less risk there is of them ending up in hospital, with Covid or anything else (if they develop other problems and end up dying at home without bothering anybody then this doesn't put pressure on the NHS, of course.)
Secondly, it makes it that much easier to persuade as much as possible of the remainder of the population to swallow widespread masking and other restrictions, if they still think that the illness is widespread (as distinct from almost absent in most of the country.)
I doubt London has experienced weather like this - a week of sustained VERY high temps - for many centuries. The medieval warm period? Roman times, when they grew vines in Yorkshire?
My dad was a student in London in 1961. I'll have to ask him if he remembers hot weather that year.
That's a predictably grim thread, and almost certainly accurate (Sam F knows his stuff).
If it's relatively strong students in relatively weak institutions with large cohorts being marked down a lot, that'll be students in FE colleges (which tend to be a bit of a Red Wall type of place phenomenon) stitched up.
"Nearly 10 per cent of coronavirus deaths reported by Public Health England (PHE) were not related to Covid-19, the body has admitted.
The Department of Health has been urgently reviewing the way it records deaths after Oxford University noticed in July that former coronavirus patients were being included in mortality figures even if they had recovered and died of something else.
On Wednesday the true extent of the problem emerged, when PHE published a report showing that 3,664 people who had been included in 40,160 English coronavirus deaths did not have Covid-19 on their death certificate."
You have to remember, a lot of Scots suffer in the sun, so their idea of what is just right is different. I love the chilly morning haar [fog and mist off the North Sea].
When I lived in Berwick the haar would roll in over the golf course and sometimes stay for days or even weeks. It was not pleasant
Much rather that than this filthy stinking heat. You can't escape it and can't do anything in it but suffer and long for it to be over.
Scotland definitely gets the best end of the weather deal in Britain, even the really rainy bits out West.
That's...... an unusual take
I'm actually finding that I've adapted to this weather.
Lighter clothing, smaller stride, seeking out the shady side of the street. Today I managed to compose two resident surveys and have a nice state subsidised lunch (al fresco) in addition to a day's work.
Likewise. I have finally worked out how to get a cool draught through the house (sash windows at north and south all open, but blinds down).
I eat little. I seek shade outside but I do go outside. Cold drinks aplenty. Endless water.
And I do love the warmth in general. It feels opulent, generous, rich. It makes you more carefree. And the London girls wear such tiny garments, it sometimes distracts me from my axolotls.
Today was different. I noticed on my midday walk to the fish and chip shop the roads were quieter; people in the park were sitting under trees rather than playing or exercising; no-one was gardening. I imagine after so many days, and more importantly nights, folk are exhausted.
I doubt London has experienced weather like this - a week of sustained VERY high temps - for many centuries. The medieval warm period? Roman times, when they grew vines in Yorkshire?
"Nearly 10 per cent of coronavirus deaths reported by Public Health England (PHE) were not related to Covid-19, the body has admitted.
The Department of Health has been urgently reviewing the way it records deaths after Oxford University noticed in July that former coronavirus patients were being included in mortality figures even if they had recovered and died of something else.
On Wednesday the true extent of the problem emerged, when PHE published a report showing that 3,664 people who had been included in 40,160 English coronavirus deaths did not have Covid-19 on their death certificate."
You have to remember, a lot of Scots suffer in the sun, so their idea of what is just right is different. I love the chilly morning haar [fog and mist off the North Sea].
When I lived in Berwick the haar would roll in over the golf course and sometimes stay for days or even weeks. It was not pleasant
Much rather that than this filthy stinking heat. You can't escape it and can't do anything in it but suffer and long for it to be over.
Scotland definitely gets the best end of the weather deal in Britain, even the really rainy bits out West.
I agree with you on almost everything Black Rook - but we differ on this. More hot weather please!
Oh good God no, roll on September please. Really, if you want to swelter all the time then move to Andalucia, or perhaps Togo. 30+ during the day and 20 in the middle of the night is too bloody much.
Ideally it would be nice if it were pleasantly warm during the day and cool at night (and Spring was marvellous,) but offered the choice between the current sweat fest and a dreich November day in Fife, I'd take the latter. Every time.
This could be interesting if spread to all of Spain
Galicia will ban smoking on terraces or on the street from tomorrow if there is no social distance. This was explained by the president of the Xunta, Alberto Núñez Feijóo, after the meeting with the clinical committee of experts in the prevention of COVID-19. The order in the Galician community will be published in the Official Gazette of Galicia (DOG) on the afternoon of this Wednesday, after the pertinent consultations, and will affect the entire community.
There's even a self-isolation hotline he could have called.
You can tell Remainers even when they are talking about something entirely different (like this). Their comments/tweets always have this petulant, whiney, narcissistic, personally entitled and recently affronted quality.
They probably sound like this when they are discussing breakfast. Ghastly wankers.
It occurs to me these Remainers are the modern equivalent of "Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells". Whatever subject has alerted them, their mental response is comically predictable in tone and attitude.
You must be bored trying to wind people up.
Was it that bloke Eadric or that bloke Byronic who claimed to have voted Remain? They were certainly both petulant, whiny & narcissistic.
The sooner Scotland gets to control its own destiny and pay its own bills the better.
Yes, but in what currency?
A Scottish Pound makes the most sense to me. Like the Irish had pre-Euro.
What they call it is pretty much irrelevant. The important thing is who stands behind it.
The Scottish treasury, yet another halfwit who does not understand how countries run and thinks only Scotland in the whole world cannot have a treasury. How thick can you be , our share of all the loot from Bank of UK will be deposited in our new Treasury and we will run just like the 200 or so other countries in the world run, FFS think before you write such crap.
You want a large share of the UK’s IOUs?
That’s generous of you.
We will pay our share when the UK pays off some its debt - when will that be?
It can only be considered as compensation, and the overriding principle is that you don’t make a profit out of that.
Even some of the ONS stats on excess deaths are possibly misleading - they’ve highlighted reductions in care homes (and hospitals) but deaths at home remaining stubbornly high. This could be due to increased heart attacks, strokes etc, but it could equally be
1) more people wfh with capacity to care for elderly relatives 2) reluctance to put elderly relatives in care homes (with 1 making not doing so more of an option).
I doubt London has experienced weather like this - a week of sustained VERY high temps - for many centuries. The medieval warm period? Roman times, when they grew vines in Yorkshire?
My dad was a student in London in 1961. I'll have to ask him if he remembers hot weather that year.
From this it appears it was end June into early July. But the rest of that summer sounds typically British.
"Nearly 10 per cent of coronavirus deaths reported by Public Health England (PHE) were not related to Covid-19, the body has admitted.
The Department of Health has been urgently reviewing the way it records deaths after Oxford University noticed in July that former coronavirus patients were being included in mortality figures even if they had recovered and died of something else.
On Wednesday the true extent of the problem emerged, when PHE published a report showing that 3,664 people who had been included in 40,160 English coronavirus deaths did not have Covid-19 on their death certificate."
Only a factor of four out. Why hasn't the dashboard been updated?
I'm not so sure about the 28 day cut off. Derek Draper, for example, has been in ICU since March 30 and may yet die - of Covid, presumably. I'm sure there are others who are not minor celebrities, but no idea how many. By contrast, not many ex-Covid sufferers have been subsequently run over by buses, despite what some on here claim.
Yes, I hope Mr Draper makes a full recovery, but if he succumbed then it should be recorded as covid, alongside deaths such as Dr Pathak:
This could be interesting if spread to all of Spain
Galicia will ban smoking on terraces or on the street from tomorrow if there is no social distance. This was explained by the president of the Xunta, Alberto Núñez Feijóo, after the meeting with the clinical committee of experts in the prevention of COVID-19. The order in the Galician community will be published in the Official Gazette of Galicia (DOG) on the afternoon of this Wednesday, after the pertinent consultations, and will affect the entire community.
That's a predictably grim thread, and almost certainly accurate (Sam F knows his stuff).
If it's relatively strong students in relatively weak institutions with large cohorts being marked down a lot, that'll be students in FE colleges (which tend to be a bit of a Red Wall type of place phenomenon) stitched up.
This fiasco ain't over.
It was going to be a complete mess from the moment the exams were cancelled. All of the grades are guesses, and those guesses are bound to enrage everybody who gets a worse guess than they were expecting.
I don't think anyone knows what further fudges might be on the way to appease the enraged, but ultimately a lot of students are bound to lose out - and the only effective recourse may, in the end, be resits (if you can call actually sitting the exam for the first time a resit, but you know what I mean.)
The sooner Scotland gets to control its own destiny and pay its own bills the better.
Yes, but in what currency?
Scottish pounds you halfwit , as per our existing currency.
Backed by which central bank?
It's own central bank just like most countries in the world, which central bank supports Belgium , Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden , Norway , Iceland , and on and on . What in tiny English minds makes them think Scotland is the only country unable to have its own currency and run its own treasury
Isn't that the European Central Bank?
Not in Denmark’s case - and they gave the International vultures/short sellers a bloody nose a few years back.
Where’s the full video Ms Butler? twitter.com/guardiannews/status/1293608926399864832?s=20
Since Dawn Butler's "full video" could not possibly show the police looking up the wrong registration number, what's your point?
My point is she Tweeted that she’d “recorded everything” then only released 1 minute of an 8 minute recording. The Police should release their body cam footage so we get the whole picture.
The police case is they stopped the car after the registration lookup error. If they claimed the car was careering all over the road, or had a funky smell from the window, there might be value but they are not claiming that.
A full video might show the police as unfailingly polite and apologetic or that Butler and her mate were abusive or uncooperative but even if all that were true, it would not address the reason of why the car was stopped in the first place. That is the crucial question and the rest is just a smokescreen.
It was a BMW. It will be as simple as that; not that the police can admit to that.
With blacked-out windows, as the police have already said.
If the tinted/blacked out windows broke the law then the rozzers would have issued a prohibition notice? Did they? If not why not? Oh because they were legal.
I only ask as someone who drives a vehicle with tinted windows.
They were not stopped because of the tinted windows - as you know - but the tinted windows meant they couldn’t see the occupants to “racially profile” them, as Ms Butler claims in her edited video.
Oh come of it, British cops are infamous for saying BMWs are 'Black Man's Wheels', vehicles that often come with tinted windows as standard.
This could be interesting if spread to all of Spain
Galicia will ban smoking on terraces or on the street from tomorrow if there is no social distance. This was explained by the president of the Xunta, Alberto Núñez Feijóo, after the meeting with the clinical committee of experts in the prevention of COVID-19. The order in the Galician community will be published in the Official Gazette of Galicia (DOG) on the afternoon of this Wednesday, after the pertinent consultations, and will affect the entire community.
FFS how nanny can you get Spain?
As I said it will make for interesting debate, some will leap on it with delight as anti smokers, most will ignore this as a step too far. I gave up 18 months ago but would not support this.
Where’s the full video Ms Butler? twitter.com/guardiannews/status/1293608926399864832?s=20
Since Dawn Butler's "full video" could not possibly show the police looking up the wrong registration number, what's your point?
My point is she Tweeted that she’d “recorded everything” then only released 1 minute of an 8 minute recording. The Police should release their body cam footage so we get the whole picture.
The police case is they stopped the car after the registration lookup error. If they claimed the car was careering all over the road, or had a funky smell from the window, there might be value but they are not claiming that.
A full video might show the police as unfailingly polite and apologetic or that Butler and her mate were abusive or uncooperative but even if all that were true, it would not address the reason of why the car was stopped in the first place. That is the crucial question and the rest is just a smokescreen.
It was a BMW. It will be as simple as that; not that the police can admit to that.
With blacked-out windows, as the police have already said.
If the tinted/blacked out windows broke the law then the rozzers would have issued a prohibition notice? Did they? If not why not? Oh because they were legal.
I only ask as someone who drives a vehicle with tinted windows.
They were not stopped because of the tinted windows - as you know - but the tinted windows meant they couldn’t see the occupants to “racially profile” them, as Ms Butler claims in her edited video.
Rear windows. Neither illegal, nor obscuring the occupants.
You have to remember, a lot of Scots suffer in the sun, so their idea of what is just right is different. I love the chilly morning haar [fog and mist off the North Sea].
When I lived in Berwick the haar would roll in over the golf course and sometimes stay for days or even weeks. It was not pleasant
Much rather that than this filthy stinking heat. You can't escape it and can't do anything in it but suffer and long for it to be over.
Scotland definitely gets the best end of the weather deal in Britain, even the really rainy bits out West.
I agree with you on almost everything Black Rook - but we differ on this. More hot weather please!
Oh good God no, roll on September please. Really, if you want to swelter all the time then move to Andalucia, or perhaps Togo. 30+ during the day and 20 in the middle of the night is too bloody much.
Ideally it would be nice if it were pleasantly warm during the day and cool at night (and Spring was marvellous,) but offered the choice between the current sweat fest and a dreich November day in Fife, I'd take the latter. Every time.
I find I need a good hot summer (especially in August) to enjoy the Autumn. I love Autumn (all that colour ,decay and milder weather with a nice chill - I am a bit of a goth) but do need a hot summer to fully appreciate it . So happy it has been really hot this week and happy when it gets cooler and into my favourite season (Cannot understand people who prefer other seasons to Autumn) Fav seasons in order
Autumn Winter Summer Spring (all too nice and fluffy and left wingish imho!)
Where’s the full video Ms Butler? twitter.com/guardiannews/status/1293608926399864832?s=20
Since Dawn Butler's "full video" could not possibly show the police looking up the wrong registration number, what's your point?
My point is she Tweeted that she’d “recorded everything” then only released 1 minute of an 8 minute recording. The Police should release their body cam footage so we get the whole picture.
The police case is they stopped the car after the registration lookup error. If they claimed the car was careering all over the road, or had a funky smell from the window, there might be value but they are not claiming that.
A full video might show the police as unfailingly polite and apologetic or that Butler and her mate were abusive or uncooperative but even if all that were true, it would not address the reason of why the car was stopped in the first place. That is the crucial question and the rest is just a smokescreen.
It was a BMW. It will be as simple as that; not that the police can admit to that.
With blacked-out windows, as the police have already said.
If the tinted/blacked out windows broke the law then the rozzers would have issued a prohibition notice? Did they? If not why not? Oh because they were legal.
I only ask as someone who drives a vehicle with tinted windows.
They were not stopped because of the tinted windows - as you know - but the tinted windows meant they couldn’t see the occupants to “racially profile” them, as Ms Butler claims in her edited video.
Rear windows. Neither illegal, nor obscuring the occupants.
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Remember that the only things that count are the effect on actual numbers from the policy (more whites, fewer non-whites) irrespective of the reasons or motivation of government, and whether the minority groups believed it was racist, such is the way that human rights legislation has been framed and interpreted over the years.
https://news.sky.com/story/uks-racist-visa-screening-system-scrapped-by-government-after-legal-challenge-12042318
Campaigners argued the tool was "racist" and "discriminatory" for filtering applicants based on nationality.
The border post would be at Lamberton Toll, as anyone who knows the geography at all could tell you.
As opposed to driving the only fancy car in a sh!tty neighborhood where the only fancy cars are driven by drug dealers, which is the more likely explanation we'll never hear.
1. The Deal this autumn is a "give the UK utter freedom that it freely chooses not to use" type. Not an extension, no siree. But as long as we shadow EU rules and freely bung them a few hundred mill per week, they agree not to have any border paperwork. Because it's the paperwork that will make the system fall over. (Crudely, we trade immigration control for any say at all in EU rules).
2. 2024 becomes about the Mandate for True Liberation, Using The Freedom To Diverge And Implement Brilliant Deals. Whereas Boring Old Starmer wants to keep us in Boring Old Following Rules We Have No Say In. And the sky didn't fall in in 2021, did it?
Totes shameless, but I do think that the government needs to keep Brexit's final state abstract and in peril for as long as possible.
They probably sound like this when they are discussing breakfast. Ghastly wankers.
It occurs to me these Remainers are the modern equivalent of "Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells". Whatever subject has alerted them, their mental response is comically predictable in tone and attitude.
The Met Office said temperatures surpassed 34C in the city for the sixth day in a row - the first time that has happened since at least 1961."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53756412
Cameron was an English gentleman with a sense of honour, Boris is a duplicituous, ruthless opportunist, plus his base will want him to stay
https://twitter.com/Jeremy_Hunt/status/1293449700947963906?s=20
A review of how deaths from coronavirus are counted in England has reduced the UK death toll by more than 5,000, to 41,329, the government has announced.
And figures for deaths in England for the most recent week of data - 18 to 24 July - will drop by 75%, from 442 to 111."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53722711
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26082372
The raw figures are grim. Britain has the worst overall COVID-19 death toll in Europe, with more than 46,000 dead according to official figures
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1293581159658659845?s=20
Temperature yesterday in Glasgow: overcast, 23C
Temperature yesterday in London: burning sun, 35C
I've been here for even hotter days (tho all these are close to the record), but this last week feels like a climatic step change. I don't know why. But it does.
I doubt London has experienced weather like this - a week of sustained VERY high temps - for many centuries. The medieval warm period? Roman times, when they grew vines in Yorkshire?
The fact he was born in New York and is a tiny fraction Turk does not change that
I have loads of Scottish relatives, friends, colleagues. They generally despise Scottish weather, especially the lack of reliable summers of any sort.
Most of them love the country in many other ways, some are ardent Nats! But the weather and the midges: those they could do without.
https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1293209057222963201
"8. Does this methodology not mean that deaths will be undercounted from now on?
No. We are conscious that due to the unstable nature of the disease, applying a time limitation could potentially miss COVID-19 deaths, hence all cases with COVID-19- reported on their death registration will be included regardless of their time to death from the initial infection date."
My bold
The 28 day cut off is a fudge, to save PHE making the effort to gather truly accurate statistics, but it's certainly an improvement on the previous situation. We should also bear in mind that it's quite possible (especially given the very advanced age profile of Covid victims) that there will be a lot more people who will have died with, but not of, Covid-19 within a month of testing positive than there will be people who have died of Covid-19, but more than a month after testing positive.
Edit: and as time goes on, people will appreciate having full reservoirs more and more. I certainly do.
"To an extent, @PHE_uk reporting has been comical but many people have been genuinely distressed, wrongly believing reports of continuing high numbers of deaths from Coronavirus each day."
I`ve been commenting about this on PB.com for weeks now. The government is simply doing an appalling job at getting across how quickly and consistently infections/hospitalisations/deaths have fallen. I know they are battling the media, inc the BBC, who seem determined to paint negative pictures, but I am genuinely baffled as to how the government can be so bad at this.
Are they trying to keep people scared? I may rewatch Adam Curtis`s "The power of Nightmares" documentary because it`s ringing a bell.
On the one hand I'm concerned that it took so long for someone to ask the question as to why the number of deaths weren't falling to the levels seen elsewhere. But on the other hand hopefully that means they were focussing on the job in hand rather than questioning the stats.
https://www.lightningmaps.org/?lang=en
the storms are currently hitting the Welsh borders with a special shout-out for Birmingham
Scotland definitely gets the best end of the weather deal in Britain, even the really rainy bits out West.
And this comes after the driest, warmest, sunniest Spring on record.
You know, I begin to wonder if there is something to this whole "climate change" malarkey, which some hyper-aware young people have been recently talking about, as I understand it.
Maybe my family are just moaners.
refers - 16:02 or so onwards.
https://www.netweather.tv/live-weather/radar
Lighter clothing, smaller stride, seeking out the shady side of the street. Today I managed to compose two resident surveys and have a nice state subsidised lunch (al fresco) in addition to a day's work.
Oh, and sleep every afternoon and spend August in a cottage by the coast. (Not that I managed either of those at the time).
I eat little. I seek shade outside but I do go outside. Cold drinks aplenty. Endless water.
And I do love the warmth in general. It feels opulent, generous, rich. It makes you more carefree. And the London girls wear such tiny garments, it sometimes distracts me from my axolotls.
Of course, the national news tonight will lead on three deaths and six injuries in a freak accident in the bad weather - numbers which are totally insignificant in the grand scheme of things.
Secondly, it makes it that much easier to persuade as much as possible of the remainder of the population to swallow widespread masking and other restrictions, if they still think that the illness is widespread (as distinct from almost absent in most of the country.)
If it's relatively strong students in relatively weak institutions with large cohorts being marked down a lot, that'll be students in FE colleges (which tend to be a bit of a Red Wall type of place phenomenon) stitched up.
This fiasco ain't over.
The Department of Health has been urgently reviewing the way it records deaths after Oxford University noticed in July that former coronavirus patients were being included in mortality figures even if they had recovered and died of something else.
On Wednesday the true extent of the problem emerged, when PHE published a report showing that 3,664 people who had been included in 40,160 English coronavirus deaths did not have Covid-19 on their death certificate."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-contact-tracing-spain-second-wave-cases/
Ideally it would be nice if it were pleasantly warm during the day and cool at night (and Spring was marvellous,) but offered the choice between the current sweat fest and a dreich November day in Fife, I'd take the latter. Every time.
Galicia will ban smoking on terraces or on the street from tomorrow if there is no social distance. This was explained by the president of the Xunta, Alberto Núñez Feijóo, after the meeting with the clinical committee of experts in the prevention of COVID-19. The order in the Galician community will be published in the Official Gazette of Galicia (DOG) on the afternoon of this Wednesday, after the pertinent consultations, and will affect the entire community.
They were certainly both petulant, whiny & narcissistic.
It can only be considered as compensation, and the overriding principle is that you don’t make a profit out of that.
1) more people wfh with capacity to care for elderly relatives
2) reluctance to put elderly relatives in care homes (with 1 making not doing so more of an option).
Hence increase in elderly people dying at home.
http://www.london-weather.eu/article.101.html
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jul/28/clapped-out-of-icu-dead-days-later-secondary-impact-of-covid-19-stroke-clots-coronavirus
I haven't seen the details of the new methodology, but surely this should count?
It seems the heat is making people tetchy on PB. Chill guys and gals!
FFS how nanny can you get Spain?
I don't think anyone knows what further fudges might be on the way to appease the enraged, but ultimately a lot of students are bound to lose out - and the only effective recourse may, in the end, be resits (if you can call actually sitting the exam for the first time a resit, but you know what I mean.)
Check out the recent comments by Danny Rose.
Neither illegal, nor obscuring the occupants.
Fav seasons in order
Autumn
Winter
Summer
Spring (all too nice and fluffy and left wingish imho!)