The plod are just stupid to get involved with the banner thing. It just giving more airtime to the idiots behind it and maytr status. Everybody would have been better just ignoring in the way tv has a policy to ignore streakers and you rarely get them these days.
"No crime has been committed" probably isn't true in this instance.
There are a great many laws and regulations regarding aviation, especially combined with COVID laws, that could have been breached here.
For stupid dumb racists, the people who have pulled this stunt have apparently been quite clever.
How was this an essential trip under lockdown regulations?
It was an advertising company who took a contract to fly this message, it wasn't 3 lads hopping in plane and doing it, so essential journey is irrelevant.
I can't see how they will have done anything wrong, no different to companies who have taken "led by donkeys" ad work for billboards during covid crisis.
Its distasteful but doesnt need to be investigated by the police regardless of whether there may have been a technical breach, nor does it need life bans from the clubs. A ban of 2-5 years feels proportionate for acting against the interests of the club. Maybe 5 years reduced to 2 if they agree to go on an anti racism course.
Dems down to 1.62, boy did I read this market wrong.
Me too.
The movement is probably in reaction to the Harris poll putting Biden 12 ahead. Harris is a pretty flaky pollster but usually leans Trump.
Unelectable - literally. The imbecility is increasingly front and centre now. He can't spoof enough voters this time. The outcome is certain it's only the margin to be decided. My strong sense is big. Very big. The biggest.
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Ben Bradley is saying what many people think, unlike the liberal elites posting on here, including many Brexiteers. It is quite amusing, as someone who voted remain, to see this play itself out.
Nobody doubts it's what many people think. People think all sorts of drivel. People are like that.
Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People About Race Becoming BY MICHELLE OBAMA Natives Race & Class in the ruins of the Empire Sapiens Me and White Supremacy
Ive only read Sapiens and thoroughly recommend it. So 3 books specifically about race, 1 by the most popular black lady in the world, and the fifth about the history and future of all human kind.
Makes my point.
Sapiens is good. Homo Deus isn't anything like as good.
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Ben Bradley is saying what many people think, unlike the liberal elites posting on here, including many Brexiteers. It is quite amusing, as someone who voted remain, to see this play itself out.
Nobody doubts it's what many people think. People think all sorts of drivel. People are like that.
Remember this? “Never Again for Anyone” - the left’s “All Lives Matter”?
It was the same attempted hijacking and delegitimising of a cause by saying it was exclusionary. Quite rightly people called out as anti Semitic those who wanted to rebrand Holocaust Memorial Day, which commemorates an overwhelmingly Jewish tragedy, as a generic “Genocide Memorial Day“ (including Corbyn) and exactly the same thing is happening here. It’s a specific issue that is demanding a specific response. Many many issues are “valid and important”, including those Mr Bradley highlights, but it takes a special type of tone deaf to say people should stop campaigning about something simply because they are not talking about something else.
"No crime has been committed" probably isn't true in this instance.
There are a great many laws and regulations regarding aviation, especially combined with COVID laws, that could have been breached here.
This your libertarian streak at play here?
No. I didn't write these laws.
I didn't say there actions should be legal or shouldn't be legal. I am guessing that a law may have been broken (whether I like that or not is moot - something I think should be legal is still illegal even if I dislike the law).
Your post had a disapproving, I follow the rules feel about it.
I'm sorry I didn't mean it that was, though I do follow the rules. I was just nitpicking that when someone said there was no crime committed it may not have been the case - saying "White lives matter" certainly isn't illegal but there's lots of laws and regulations that could have been breached regarding aviation etc plus COVID (though someone's subsequently answered that one).
Dems down to 1.62, boy did I read this market wrong.
Me too.
The movement is probably in reaction to the Harris poll putting Biden 12 ahead. Harris is a pretty flaky pollster but usually leans Trump.
Unelectable - literally. The imbecility is increasingly front and centre now. He can't spoof enough voters this time. The outcome is certain it's only the margin to be decided. My strong sense is big. Very big. The biggest.
There is the issue of voter suppression on overdrive though. If it were just about Trump he would have no chance, much there are huge numbers of GOP candidates on the down tickets who stand to lose out as well...
Insert that comedians tweet about how the authorities will react.
If you arrest a racist for having an offensive wife, what is that?
1) Comedy? 2) Police brutality? 3) All of the above
The problems that Mr Kodogo had with Constable Savage worked as comedy because the joke skewered a taboo truth. Breaking taboo is a core part of comedy, as is exposing a truth.
Similarly the Fawlty Towers episode. Even in the mid Seventies the language used by the Major was not to be spoken, nor were we supposed to be mean to the Germans. Transgression is key to the joke, but also why much comedy dates so badly.
This is interesting - and would be particularly so if the finding can be replicated.
Intrafamilial Exposure to SARS-CoV-2 Induces Cellular Immune Response without Seroconversion https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.21.20132449v1 ... In the background of the current COVID-19 pandemic, serological tests are being used to assess past infection and immunity against SARS-CoV-2. This knowledge is paramount to determine the transmission dynamics of SARS-CoV-2 through the post pandemic period. Several individuals belonging to households with an index COVID-19 patient, reported symptoms of COVID-19 but discrepant serology results. Methods. Here we investigated the humoral and cellular immune responses against SARS-CoV-2 in seven families, including nine index patients and eight contacts, who had evidence of serological discordances within the households. Ten unexposed healthy donors were enrolled as controls. Results. All index patients recovered from a mild COVID-19. They all developed anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies and a significant T cell response detectable up to 69 days after symptom onset. Six of the eight contacts reported COVID-19 symptoms within 1 to 7 days after the index patients but all were SARS-CoV-2 seronegative. Six out of eight contacts developed a SARS-CoV-2-specific T cell response against structural and/or accessory proteins that lasts up to 80 days post symptom onset suggesting a past SARS-CoV-2 infection. Conclusion. Exposure to SARS-CoV-2 can induce virus-specific T cell responses without seroconversion. T cell responses may be more sensitive indicators of SARS-Co-V-2 exposure than antibodies. Our results indicate that epidemiological data relying only on the detection of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies may lead to a substantial underestimation of prior exposure to the virus..
Is it clear that all pubs in England can open from 4th July? There had been suggestions that only those with garden areas etc would be permiited to do so initially.
Yes, you order by app at your table if indoors
The app is not compulsory, first, because not everyone has a smartphone and, second, because - as here - the broadband is simply insufficient to allow it to work. So someone will have to come to your table to take an order, get it ready and bring it back. That will inevitably slow down the service.
My sister's pub is almost certain to close down as it is essentially a music venue dependent on getting a decent crowd into a small space and so cannot function if there is any kind of social distancing. It's a real shame. They put their hearts and souls into building it up into a viable business.
Yep - it's just really, really bad luck. And the brewery has no incentive to help as they can make a shedload of money by converting it into flats that they can sell for a fortune in that part of London. You put everything you have into creating a business, get a level of success and then see it all fall to pieces through no fault of your own. Luckily, they are at an age where they can probably retire and my sister also has a Kumon franchise that is proving resilient. But this was a passion and it's almost certainly done for.
“You put everything you have into creating a business, get a level of success and then see it all fall to pieces through no fault of your own.”
I see the media thing now is now to scream about 1m...1m....we went with 2m, which was larger than any other country, now we are moving to what the WHO advise and many other countries followed from the beginning.
If we stuck to 2m and all the pubs went bust, they would screaming (and have done) why aren't we following WHO.
Does anyone have any pub visit stats?
I know I'm not the target for pubs, what with me being a good Muslim boy and all, but for my younger staff visiting the pub is anachronistic as using dial up internet.
I bet they go to clubs and music venues though and many of these will disappear. Theatres are closing down too.
At this rate we’ll be alive, healthy and have fuck all to do or places to go to. We’ll die of boredom and misery and loneliness instead.
I do worry what da yuff are going to get up to. Idle hands and all that.
One of the thing that has surprised me, the lack of surprise pregnancies of couples living together during lockdown.
Or we might see an uptick when couples who haven't seen each for three months get to meet up again.
Coronaboomers!
I mistook that for Coronaboners......
Time for an eye test.......
☺ - that's probably better and more literally true.
But kind of worrying that TSE wants to arrange an assignation...
My turn to misread. I thought that said ‘assassination.’
I was wondering whether it had finally been confirmed that Cummings takes it with pineapple...
Dr. Anthony Fauci, the government's top infectious disease expert, told a House committee on Tuesday he believes "it will be when and not if" there will be a COVID-19 vaccine and that he remains "cautiously optimistic" that some will be ready at the end of the year.
I see today it was also suggested that it probably wouldn’t work very well with older people whose immune systems are weaker.
This is interesting - and would be particularly so if the finding can be replicated.
Intrafamilial Exposure to SARS-CoV-2 Induces Cellular Immune Response without Seroconversion https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.21.20132449v1 ... In the background of the current COVID-19 pandemic, serological tests are being used to assess past infection and immunity against SARS-CoV-2. This knowledge is paramount to determine the transmission dynamics of SARS-CoV-2 through the post pandemic period. Several individuals belonging to households with an index COVID-19 patient, reported symptoms of COVID-19 but discrepant serology results. Methods. Here we investigated the humoral and cellular immune responses against SARS-CoV-2 in seven families, including nine index patients and eight contacts, who had evidence of serological discordances within the households. Ten unexposed healthy donors were enrolled as controls. Results. All index patients recovered from a mild COVID-19. They all developed anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies and a significant T cell response detectable up to 69 days after symptom onset. Six of the eight contacts reported COVID-19 symptoms within 1 to 7 days after the index patients but all were SARS-CoV-2 seronegative. Six out of eight contacts developed a SARS-CoV-2-specific T cell response against structural and/or accessory proteins that lasts up to 80 days post symptom onset suggesting a past SARS-CoV-2 infection. Conclusion. Exposure to SARS-CoV-2 can induce virus-specific T cell responses without seroconversion. T cell responses may be more sensitive indicators of SARS-Co-V-2 exposure than antibodies. Our results indicate that epidemiological data relying only on the detection of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies may lead to a substantial underestimation of prior exposure to the virus..
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Ben Bradley is saying what many people think, unlike the liberal elites posting on here, including many Brexiteers. It is quite amusing, as someone who voted remain, to see this play itself out.
Nobody doubts it's what many people think. People think all sorts of drivel. People are like that.
Remember this? “Never Again for Anyone” - the left’s “All Lives Matter”?
It was the same attempted hijacking and delegitimising of a cause by saying it was exclusionary. Quite rightly people called out as anti Semitic those who wanted to rebrand Holocaust Memorial Day, which commemorates an overwhelmingly Jewish tragedy, as a generic “Genocide Memorial Day“ (including Corbyn) and exactly the same thing is happening here. It’s a specific issue that is demanding a specific response. Many many issues are “valid and important”, including those Mr Bradley highlights, but it takes a special type of tone deaf to say people should stop campaigning about something simply because they are not talking about something else.
I don't but - yes - similarly pathetic and also a tell.
And those blokes who make a big song and dance about there not being an "International Men's Day". Oh dear.
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Ben Bradley is saying what many people think, unlike the liberal elites posting on here, including many Brexiteers. It is quite amusing, as someone who voted remain, to see this play itself out.
Nobody doubts it's what many people think. People think all sorts of drivel. People are like that.
Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People About Race Becoming BY MICHELLE OBAMA Natives Race & Class in the ruins of the Empire Sapiens Me and White Supremacy
Ive only read Sapiens and thoroughly recommend it. So 3 books specifically about race, 1 by the most popular black lady in the world, and the fifth about the history and future of all human kind.
Makes my point.
Sapiens is good. Homo Deus isn't anything like as good.
I liked them both, but as home deus is about the future its inevitably going to be more subjective and likely to be incorrect.
As it should be. If the US appears on any kind of exemption to quarantine in the UK then we may as well not bother with it.
I’ve said for a while that the object is probably to exclude the Americas and it will be Europe, Australasia and parts of Asia that will quickly be exempted
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Ben Bradley is saying what many people think, unlike the liberal elites posting on here, including many Brexiteers. It is quite amusing, as someone who voted remain, to see this play itself out.
Nobody doubts it's what many people think. People think all sorts of drivel. People are like that.
Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People About Race Becoming BY MICHELLE OBAMA Natives Race & Class in the ruins of the Empire Sapiens Me and White Supremacy
Ive only read Sapiens and thoroughly recommend it. So 3 books specifically about race, 1 by the most popular black lady in the world, and the fifth about the history and future of all human kind.
Makes my point.
Sapiens is good. Homo Deus isn't anything like as good.
Are you going to give "Why I'm No Longer Talking To White People About Race" a go?
This is interesting - and would be particularly so if the finding can be replicated.
Intrafamilial Exposure to SARS-CoV-2 Induces Cellular Immune Response without Seroconversion https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.21.20132449v1 ... In the background of the current COVID-19 pandemic, serological tests are being used to assess past infection and immunity against SARS-CoV-2. This knowledge is paramount to determine the transmission dynamics of SARS-CoV-2 through the post pandemic period. Several individuals belonging to households with an index COVID-19 patient, reported symptoms of COVID-19 but discrepant serology results. Methods. Here we investigated the humoral and cellular immune responses against SARS-CoV-2 in seven families, including nine index patients and eight contacts, who had evidence of serological discordances within the households. Ten unexposed healthy donors were enrolled as controls. Results. All index patients recovered from a mild COVID-19. They all developed anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies and a significant T cell response detectable up to 69 days after symptom onset. Six of the eight contacts reported COVID-19 symptoms within 1 to 7 days after the index patients but all were SARS-CoV-2 seronegative. Six out of eight contacts developed a SARS-CoV-2-specific T cell response against structural and/or accessory proteins that lasts up to 80 days post symptom onset suggesting a past SARS-CoV-2 infection. Conclusion. Exposure to SARS-CoV-2 can induce virus-specific T cell responses without seroconversion. T cell responses may be more sensitive indicators of SARS-Co-V-2 exposure than antibodies. Our results indicate that epidemiological data relying only on the detection of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies may lead to a substantial underestimation of prior exposure to the virus..
That's my theory. Innate immunity often deals with the virus before acquired immunity (and anti-bodies) kick in.
This is interesting - and would be particularly so if the finding can be replicated.
Intrafamilial Exposure to SARS-CoV-2 Induces Cellular Immune Response without Seroconversion https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.21.20132449v1 ... In the background of the current COVID-19 pandemic, serological tests are being used to assess past infection and immunity against SARS-CoV-2. This knowledge is paramount to determine the transmission dynamics of SARS-CoV-2 through the post pandemic period. Several individuals belonging to households with an index COVID-19 patient, reported symptoms of COVID-19 but discrepant serology results. Methods. Here we investigated the humoral and cellular immune responses against SARS-CoV-2 in seven families, including nine index patients and eight contacts, who had evidence of serological discordances within the households. Ten unexposed healthy donors were enrolled as controls. Results. All index patients recovered from a mild COVID-19. They all developed anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies and a significant T cell response detectable up to 69 days after symptom onset. Six of the eight contacts reported COVID-19 symptoms within 1 to 7 days after the index patients but all were SARS-CoV-2 seronegative. Six out of eight contacts developed a SARS-CoV-2-specific T cell response against structural and/or accessory proteins that lasts up to 80 days post symptom onset suggesting a past SARS-CoV-2 infection. Conclusion. Exposure to SARS-CoV-2 can induce virus-specific T cell responses without seroconversion. T cell responses may be more sensitive indicators of SARS-Co-V-2 exposure than antibodies. Our results indicate that epidemiological data relying only on the detection of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies may lead to a substantial underestimation of prior exposure to the virus..
Within my Trust there have been a number of staff who swabbed antigen positive, but did not get a detectable antibody response on the Abbott test.
This is interesting - and would be particularly so if the finding can be replicated.
Intrafamilial Exposure to SARS-CoV-2 Induces Cellular Immune Response without Seroconversion https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.21.20132449v1 ... In the background of the current COVID-19 pandemic, serological tests are being used to assess past infection and immunity against SARS-CoV-2. This knowledge is paramount to determine the transmission dynamics of SARS-CoV-2 through the post pandemic period. Several individuals belonging to households with an index COVID-19 patient, reported symptoms of COVID-19 but discrepant serology results. Methods. Here we investigated the humoral and cellular immune responses against SARS-CoV-2 in seven families, including nine index patients and eight contacts, who had evidence of serological discordances within the households. Ten unexposed healthy donors were enrolled as controls. Results. All index patients recovered from a mild COVID-19. They all developed anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies and a significant T cell response detectable up to 69 days after symptom onset. Six of the eight contacts reported COVID-19 symptoms within 1 to 7 days after the index patients but all were SARS-CoV-2 seronegative. Six out of eight contacts developed a SARS-CoV-2-specific T cell response against structural and/or accessory proteins that lasts up to 80 days post symptom onset suggesting a past SARS-CoV-2 infection. Conclusion. Exposure to SARS-CoV-2 can induce virus-specific T cell responses without seroconversion. T cell responses may be more sensitive indicators of SARS-Co-V-2 exposure than antibodies. Our results indicate that epidemiological data relying only on the detection of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies may lead to a substantial underestimation of prior exposure to the virus..
Within my Trust there have been a number of staff who swabbed antigen positive, but did not get a detectable antibody response on the Abbott test.
One way or another we are going to find out eventually that more people are immune, have resistance, or have already had it than the handful of antibody studies suggest.
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Ben Bradley is saying what many people think, unlike the liberal elites posting on here, including many Brexiteers. It is quite amusing, as someone who voted remain, to see this play itself out.
Nobody doubts it's what many people think. People think all sorts of drivel. People are like that.
Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People About Race Becoming BY MICHELLE OBAMA Natives Race & Class in the ruins of the Empire Sapiens Me and White Supremacy
Ive only read Sapiens and thoroughly recommend it. So 3 books specifically about race, 1 by the most popular black lady in the world, and the fifth about the history and future of all human kind.
Makes my point.
Sapiens is good. Homo Deus isn't anything like as good.
Are you going to give "Why I'm No Longer Talking To White People About Race" a go?
It's meant to be quite powerful.
Akala's "Natives" is worth a read, though a bit patchy and polemical at times. Good on the intersection, and relations between race and class.
BRUSSELS — European Union countries rushing to revive their economies and reopen their borders after months of coronavirus restrictions are prepared to block Americans from entering because the United States has failed to control the scourge, according to draft lists of acceptable travelers seen by The New York Times.
That prospect, which would lump American visitors in with Russians and Brazilians as unwelcome, is a stinging blow to American prestige in the world and a repudiation of President Trump’s handling of the virus in the United States, which has more than 2.3 million cases and upward of 120,000 deaths, more than any other country....
Despite the disruptions caused by such a ban, European officials involved in the talks said it was highly unlikely an exception would be made for the United States. They said that the criteria for creating the list of acceptable countries had been deliberately kept as scientific and nonpolitical as possible.
Is it clear that all pubs in England can open from 4th July? There had been suggestions that only those with garden areas etc would be permiited to do so initially.
Yes, you order by app at your table if indoors
The app is not compulsory, first, because not everyone has a smartphone and, second, because - as here - the broadband is simply insufficient to allow it to work. So someone will have to come to your table to take an order, get it ready and bring it back. That will inevitably slow down the service.
My sister's pub is almost certain to close down as it is essentially a music venue dependent on getting a decent crowd into a small space and so cannot function if there is any kind of social distancing. It's a real shame. They put their hearts and souls into building it up into a viable business.
Yep - it's just really, really bad luck. And the brewery has no incentive to help as they can make a shedload of money by converting it into flats that they can sell for a fortune in that part of London. You put everything you have into creating a business, get a level of success and then see it all fall to pieces through no fault of your own. Luckily, they are at an age where they can probably retire and my sister also has a Kumon franchise that is proving resilient. But this was a passion and it's almost certainly done for.
“You put everything you have into creating a business, get a level of success and then see it all fall to pieces through no fault of your own.”
I see the media thing now is now to scream about 1m...1m....we went with 2m, which was larger than any other country, now we are moving to what the WHO advise and many other countries followed from the beginning.
If we stuck to 2m and all the pubs went bust, they would screaming (and have done) why aren't we following WHO.
Does anyone have any pub visit stats?
I know I'm not the target for pubs, what with me being a good Muslim boy and all, but for my younger staff visiting the pub is anachronistic as using dial up internet.
I bet they go to clubs and music venues though and many of these will disappear. Theatres are closing down too.
At this rate we’ll be alive, healthy and have fuck all to do or places to go to. We’ll die of boredom and misery and loneliness instead.
I do worry what da yuff are going to get up to. Idle hands and all that.
One of the thing that has surprised me, the lack of surprise pregnancies of couples living together during lockdown.
Or we might see an uptick when couples who haven't seen each for three months get to meet up again.
Coronaboomers!
I mistook that for Coronaboners......
Time for an eye test.......
☺ - that's probably better and more literally true.
But kind of worrying that TSE wants to arrange an assignation...
My turn to misread. I thought that said ‘assassination.’
I was wondering whether it had finally been confirmed that Cummings takes it with pineapple...
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Ben Bradley is saying what many people think, unlike the liberal elites posting on here, including many Brexiteers. It is quite amusing, as someone who voted remain, to see this play itself out.
Nobody doubts it's what many people think. People think all sorts of drivel. People are like that.
Remember this? “Never Again for Anyone” - the left’s “All Lives Matter”?
It was the same attempted hijacking and delegitimising of a cause by saying it was exclusionary. Quite rightly people called out as anti Semitic those who wanted to rebrand Holocaust Memorial Day, which commemorates an overwhelmingly Jewish tragedy, as a generic “Genocide Memorial Day“ (including Corbyn) and exactly the same thing is happening here. It’s a specific issue that is demanding a specific response. Many many issues are “valid and important”, including those Mr Bradley highlights, but it takes a special type of tone deaf to say people should stop campaigning about something simply because they are not talking about something else.
I don't but - yes - similarly pathetic and also a tell.
And those blokes who make a big song and dance about there not being an "International Men's Day". Oh dear.
“Save the Whales!” “No, Save all Aquatic Mammals!” “Why are we not talking about all the endangered mammals on Earth?” “It’s unhelpful and divisive to restrict the campaign to mammals...”
This is interesting - and would be particularly so if the finding can be replicated.
Intrafamilial Exposure to SARS-CoV-2 Induces Cellular Immune Response without Seroconversion https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.21.20132449v1 ... In the background of the current COVID-19 pandemic, serological tests are being used to assess past infection and immunity against SARS-CoV-2. This knowledge is paramount to determine the transmission dynamics of SARS-CoV-2 through the post pandemic period. Several individuals belonging to households with an index COVID-19 patient, reported symptoms of COVID-19 but discrepant serology results. Methods. Here we investigated the humoral and cellular immune responses against SARS-CoV-2 in seven families, including nine index patients and eight contacts, who had evidence of serological discordances within the households. Ten unexposed healthy donors were enrolled as controls. Results. All index patients recovered from a mild COVID-19. They all developed anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies and a significant T cell response detectable up to 69 days after symptom onset. Six of the eight contacts reported COVID-19 symptoms within 1 to 7 days after the index patients but all were SARS-CoV-2 seronegative. Six out of eight contacts developed a SARS-CoV-2-specific T cell response against structural and/or accessory proteins that lasts up to 80 days post symptom onset suggesting a past SARS-CoV-2 infection. Conclusion. Exposure to SARS-CoV-2 can induce virus-specific T cell responses without seroconversion. T cell responses may be more sensitive indicators of SARS-Co-V-2 exposure than antibodies. Our results indicate that epidemiological data relying only on the detection of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies may lead to a substantial underestimation of prior exposure to the virus..
That's my theory. Innate immunity often deals with the virus before acquired immunity (and anti-bodies) kick in.
Possibly. A few comments, with the caveat that I have had a beer before reading it.
1) The article mentions controls in the abstract, but I couldn't see this reported in the results.
2) This is the Abbott antibody test, as used in my Trust, but it is quite time sensitive. It often takes 4 weeks to get detectable antibodies.
3) It does look as if the cellular immunity is to a different antigen to the antibodies.
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Ben Bradley is saying what many people think, unlike the liberal elites posting on here, including many Brexiteers. It is quite amusing, as someone who voted remain, to see this play itself out.
Nobody doubts it's what many people think. People think all sorts of drivel. People are like that.
Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People About Race Becoming BY MICHELLE OBAMA Natives Race & Class in the ruins of the Empire Sapiens Me and White Supremacy
Ive only read Sapiens and thoroughly recommend it. So 3 books specifically about race, 1 by the most popular black lady in the world, and the fifth about the history and future of all human kind.
Given that the entire thing kicked off because, in the US, it was made very clear and explicit that black lives mattered far less (if they mattered even at all) to the authorities than did white lives
I'm not sure this is true actually, seen plenty of videos of similiar policing measures directed against white people from the USA that were used against Floyd.
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Ben Bradley is saying what many people think, unlike the liberal elites posting on here, including many Brexiteers. It is quite amusing, as someone who voted remain, to see this play itself out.
Nobody doubts it's what many people think. People think all sorts of drivel. People are like that.
Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People About Race Becoming BY MICHELLE OBAMA Natives Race & Class in the ruins of the Empire Sapiens Me and White Supremacy
Ive only read Sapiens and thoroughly recommend it. So 3 books specifically about race, 1 by the most popular black lady in the world, and the fifth about the history and future of all human kind.
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Ben Bradley is saying what many people think, unlike the liberal elites posting on here, including many Brexiteers. It is quite amusing, as someone who voted remain, to see this play itself out.
Ben Bradley should know better. The spirit of Terry Dicks lives on in the Conservative Party.
You liberal elites just don't get it.
Let's look at his record.
He had to make an apology to Jeremy Corbyn for accusing him of selling secrets to Communist spies.
His response to the Free Meals for Children over the summer row was to demand restrictions to stop parents abusing the largesse.
Shortly after that, he resigned as a PPS to spend more time with his family.
Now he's waded into another controversial issue which needs to be defused not enflamed.
If his whip isn't changing the password on every social media account the man has at this very minute, something has gone horribly wrong.
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Ben Bradley is saying what many people think, unlike the liberal elites posting on here, including many Brexiteers. It is quite amusing, as someone who voted remain, to see this play itself out.
Nobody doubts it's what many people think. People think all sorts of drivel. People are like that.
Remember this? “Never Again for Anyone” - the left’s “All Lives Matter”?
It was the same attempted hijacking and delegitimising of a cause by saying it was exclusionary. Quite rightly people called out as anti Semitic those who wanted to rebrand Holocaust Memorial Day, which commemorates an overwhelmingly Jewish tragedy, as a generic “Genocide Memorial Day“ (including Corbyn) and exactly the same thing is happening here. It’s a specific issue that is demanding a specific response. Many many issues are “valid and important”, including those Mr Bradley highlights, but it takes a special type of tone deaf to say people should stop campaigning about something simply because they are not talking about something else.
I don't but - yes - similarly pathetic and also a tell.
And those blokes who make a big song and dance about there not being an "International Men's Day". Oh dear.
What's wrong with a banner saying "White Lives Matter"?
Given that the entire thing kicked off because, in the US, it was made very clear and explicit that black lives mattered far less (if they mattered even at all) to the authorities than did white lives and that the “Black Lives Matter” slogan was originated to emphasise that this was wrong (and even in this country, as @Casino_Royale ’s excellent thread brought out), we have problems underlining that quite a few people see black lives as mattering less than white lives), it does smack of outright rejection that anyone should quarrel with that unacceptable and unpleasant state of affairs. Almost a slapdown for having the temerity to not just accept it.
White lives certainly matter in the US, and to a greater level than do black lives. Sloganising “White Lives Matter” just gets a “well, yes, we know.”
At best it comes across as “but what about meeeeeee!” from Dudley Dursley when Harry finally gets given something.
Hacked off club cricketers won't be showing their appreciation for Boris anytime soon. You can tell the decision was made by politicians always keen to neck a few but rarely seen on sports fields
Hacked off club cricketers won't be showing their appreciation for Boris anytime soon. You can tell the decision was made by politicians always keen to neck a few but rarely seen on sports fields
I am guessing the problem with cricket is all the gobbing on the ball and passing it from fielder to to fielder as you return it to the bowler.
Should just allow suncream and sand paper to be used instead.
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Ben Bradley is saying what many people think, unlike the liberal elites posting on here, including many Brexiteers. It is quite amusing, as someone who voted remain, to see this play itself out.
Nobody doubts it's what many people think. People think all sorts of drivel. People are like that.
Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People About Race Becoming BY MICHELLE OBAMA Natives Race & Class in the ruins of the Empire Sapiens Me and White Supremacy
Ive only read Sapiens and thoroughly recommend it. So 3 books specifically about race, 1 by the most popular black lady in the world, and the fifth about the history and future of all human kind.
Makes my point.
Most bought isn't the same as most read.
And my library proves it.
This is most read rather than most bought - guessing they calculate that from kindles but dont know. Most bought has 4/5 books specifically about race, including the 3 in most read, the fifth is about feminism.
The future is going to have people with better understanding of these issues than we have today.
Hacked off club cricketers won't be showing their appreciation for Boris anytime soon. You can tell the decision was made by politicians always keen to neck a few but rarely seen on sports fields
I am guessing the problem with cricket is all the gobbing on the ball and passing it from fielder to to fielder as you return it to the bowler.
Should just allow suncream and sand paper to be used instead.
I suspect the average cricketer, watching one of the best summers weather wise pass them by, is very frustrated. It is far from clear there is any significant risk if the usual care and measures are taken and the sport is played outside after all. Probably more risk in the boozer afterwards.
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Ben Bradley is saying what many people think, unlike the liberal elites posting on here, including many Brexiteers. It is quite amusing, as someone who voted remain, to see this play itself out.
Nobody doubts it's what many people think. People think all sorts of drivel. People are like that.
Remember this? “Never Again for Anyone” - the left’s “All Lives Matter”?
It was the same attempted hijacking and delegitimising of a cause by saying it was exclusionary. Quite rightly people called out as anti Semitic those who wanted to rebrand Holocaust Memorial Day, which commemorates an overwhelmingly Jewish tragedy, as a generic “Genocide Memorial Day“ (including Corbyn) and exactly the same thing is happening here. It’s a specific issue that is demanding a specific response. Many many issues are “valid and important”, including those Mr Bradley highlights, but it takes a special type of tone deaf to say people should stop campaigning about something simply because they are not talking about something else.
I don't but - yes - similarly pathetic and also a tell.
And those blokes who make a big song and dance about there not being an "International Men's Day". Oh dear.
Hacked off club cricketers won't be showing their appreciation for Boris anytime soon. You can tell the decision was made by politicians always keen to neck a few but rarely seen on sports fields
I am guessing the problem with cricket is all the gobbing on the ball and passing it from fielder to to fielder as you return it to the bowler.
Should just allow suncream and sand paper to be used instead.
I suspect the average cricketer, watching one of the best summers weather wise pass them by, is very frustrated. It is far from clear there is any significant risk if the usual care and measures are taken and the sport is played outside after all. Probably more risk in the boozer afterwards.
Although i was sort of joking, i do wonder if you said don't throw the ball between lots of players on the way back to the bowler and perhaps say only bowler can shine it and allow use of a say a water spray rather than spitting.
I would imagine other than that, the risks would be minimal.
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Ben Bradley is saying what many people think, unlike the liberal elites posting on here, including many Brexiteers. It is quite amusing, as someone who voted remain, to see this play itself out.
Ben Bradley should know better. The spirit of Terry Dicks lives on in the Conservative Party.
You liberal elites just don't get it.
Let's look at his record.
He had to make an apology to Jeremy Corbyn for accusing him of selling secrets to Communist spies.
His response to the Free Meals for Children over the summer row was to demand restrictions to stop parents abusing the largesse.
Shortly after that, he resigned as a PPS to spend more time with his family.
Now he's waded into another controversial issue which needs to be defused not enflamed.
If his whip isn't changing the password on every social media account the man has at this very minute, something has gone horribly wrong.
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Ben Bradley is saying what many people think, unlike the liberal elites posting on here, including many Brexiteers. It is quite amusing, as someone who voted remain, to see this play itself out.
Ben Bradley should know better. The spirit of Terry Dicks lives on in the Conservative Party.
You liberal elites just don't get it.
Let's look at his record.
He had to make an apology to Jeremy Corbyn for accusing him of selling secrets to Communist spies.
His response to the Free Meals for Children over the summer row was to demand restrictions to stop parents abusing the largesse.
Shortly after that, he resigned as a PPS to spend more time with his family.
Now he's waded into another controversial issue which needs to be defused not enflamed.
If his whip isn't changing the password on every social media account the man has at this very minute, something has gone horribly wrong.
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Ben Bradley is saying what many people think, unlike the liberal elites posting on here, including many Brexiteers. It is quite amusing, as someone who voted remain, to see this play itself out.
Ben Bradley should know better. The spirit of Terry Dicks lives on in the Conservative Party.
You liberal elites just don't get it.
Let's look at his record.
He had to make an apology to Jeremy Corbyn for accusing him of selling secrets to Communist spies.
His response to the Free Meals for Children over the summer row was to demand restrictions to stop parents abusing the largesse.
Shortly after that, he resigned as a PPS to spend more time with his family.
Now he's waded into another controversial issue which needs to be defused not enflamed.
If his whip isn't changing the password on every social media account the man has at this very minute, something has gone horribly wrong.
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Ben Bradley is saying what many people think, unlike the liberal elites posting on here, including many Brexiteers. It is quite amusing, as someone who voted remain, to see this play itself out.
Ben Bradley should know better. The spirit of Terry Dicks lives on in the Conservative Party.
You liberal elites just don't get it.
Let's look at his record.
He had to make an apology to Jeremy Corbyn for accusing him of selling secrets to Communist spies.
His response to the Free Meals for Children over the summer row was to demand restrictions to stop parents abusing the largesse.
Shortly after that, he resigned as a PPS to spend more time with his family.
Now he's waded into another controversial issue which needs to be defused not enflamed.
If his whip isn't changing the password on every social media account the man has at this very minute, something has gone horribly wrong.
Hacked off club cricketers won't be showing their appreciation for Boris anytime soon. You can tell the decision was made by politicians always keen to neck a few but rarely seen on sports fields
I am guessing the problem with cricket is all the gobbing on the ball and passing it from fielder to to fielder as you return it to the bowler.
Should just allow suncream and sand paper to be used instead.
I believe the laws have already been adjusted somewhere along those lines; definitely no gobbing. And you’re allowed to substitute a player showing Covid symptoms....
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Ben Bradley is saying what many people think, unlike the liberal elites posting on here, including many Brexiteers. It is quite amusing, as someone who voted remain, to see this play itself out.
Ben Bradley should know better. The spirit of Terry Dicks lives on in the Conservative Party.
You liberal elites just don't get it.
Let's look at his record.
He had to make an apology to Jeremy Corbyn for accusing him of selling secrets to Communist spies.
His response to the Free Meals for Children over the summer row was to demand restrictions to stop parents abusing the largesse.
Shortly after that, he resigned as a PPS to spend more time with his family.
Now he's waded into another controversial issue which needs to be defused not enflamed.
If his whip isn't changing the password on every social media account the man has at this very minute, something has gone horribly wrong.
"No crime has been committed" probably isn't true in this instance.
There are a great many laws and regulations regarding aviation, especially combined with COVID laws, that could have been breached here.
If someone makes a complaint the police always investigate - it's a journalistic trick to make something out of it. If I allege that someone on this blog is an ace murderers, the police will (briefly0 check out whether I have reasons for saying so and whether they are plausible.
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Ben Bradley is saying what many people think, unlike the liberal elites posting on here, including many Brexiteers. It is quite amusing, as someone who voted remain, to see this play itself out.
Nobody doubts it's what many people think. People think all sorts of drivel. People are like that.
Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People About Race Becoming BY MICHELLE OBAMA Natives Race & Class in the ruins of the Empire Sapiens Me and White Supremacy
Ive only read Sapiens and thoroughly recommend it. So 3 books specifically about race, 1 by the most popular black lady in the world, and the fifth about the history and future of all human kind.
Makes my point.
Sapiens is good. Homo Deus isn't anything like as good.
Are you going to give "Why I'm No Longer Talking To White People About Race" a go?
It's meant to be quite powerful.
Yes. I'm happy to read books and articles where the authors don't share my politics.
I hope you will also give "The Madness of Crowds" a go too.
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Ben Bradley is saying what many people think, unlike the liberal elites posting on here, including many Brexiteers. It is quite amusing, as someone who voted remain, to see this play itself out.
Ben Bradley should know better. The spirit of Terry Dicks lives on in the Conservative Party.
You liberal elites just don't get it.
Let's look at his record.
He had to make an apology to Jeremy Corbyn for accusing him of selling secrets to Communist spies.
His response to the Free Meals for Children over the summer row was to demand restrictions to stop parents abusing the largesse.
Shortly after that, he resigned as a PPS to spend more time with his family.
Now he's waded into another controversial issue which needs to be defused not enflamed.
If his whip isn't changing the password on every social media account the man has at this very minute, something has gone horribly wrong.
Has anyone else ever seen such a big increase in their party's vote share ?
And this in Mansfield - a notorious shithole not some demographically gentrifying landscape prettifying place like Bassetlaw or Bolsover.
Ben Bradley must be a contender for electoral titan of this age, no of ANY age.
Nah, they should just shut him up - he clearly doesn't know anything about what the people of Mansfield want...
My first thought was to compare him with Andrew Rosindell. To be fair to Ben Bradley, his numbers blow Rosser's out of the water;
2001: +11.4% 2005: +6.1%
Not too shabby, you might think. And Andrew R is undoubtedly good at going round the constituency, making himself known to all and sundry and being Romford's MP. And unashamed populism undoubtedly strikes a chord.
But.
His political career has gone basically nowhere. Opposition Whip, Shadow Junior Home Office Minister in 2007, that's been it. The last cause he was famous for championing was that BBC One should play "God Save The Queen" at closedown.
The potential problem is this. Actions that might gain that individual MP support in their constituency- from name recognition, if nothing else- might put off more voters from voting for that party elsewhere. Either because the comments are nasty (Boris agrees to be magnanimous about food, but I've got to have my say and say something a bit mean) or stupid (Jezza is a commie agent). What's in their personal interest as a local MP isn't in the overall interest of the party nationwide.
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Ben Bradley is saying what many people think, unlike the liberal elites posting on here, including many Brexiteers. It is quite amusing, as someone who voted remain, to see this play itself out.
Ben Bradley should know better. The spirit of Terry Dicks lives on in the Conservative Party.
You liberal elites just don't get it.
Let's look at his record.
He had to make an apology to Jeremy Corbyn for accusing him of selling secrets to Communist spies.
His response to the Free Meals for Children over the summer row was to demand restrictions to stop parents abusing the largesse.
Shortly after that, he resigned as a PPS to spend more time with his family.
Now he's waded into another controversial issue which needs to be defused not enflamed.
If his whip isn't changing the password on every social media account the man has at this very minute, something has gone horribly wrong.
Forgive me if I've not been following this correctly, but why can't cricket players just be tested the day before, isolate till they get the all clear, and play, and do this before every match? It's not expensive within the broader context?
What's wrong with a banner saying "White Lives Matter"?
Given that the entire thing kicked off because, in the US, it was made very clear and explicit that black lives mattered far less (if they mattered even at all) to the authorities than did white lives and that the “Black Lives Matter” slogan was originated to emphasise that this was wrong (and even in this country, as @Casino_Royale ’s excellent thread brought out), we have problems underlining that quite a few people see black lives as mattering less than white lives), it does smack of outright rejection that anyone should quarrel with that unacceptable and unpleasant state of affairs. Almost a slapdown for having the temerity to not just accept it.
White lives certainly matter in the US, and to a greater level than do black lives. Sloganising “White Lives Matter” just gets a “well, yes, we know.”
At best it comes across as “but what about meeeeeee!” from Dudley Dursley when Harry finally gets given something.
I'm not sure the statistics show that's true.
Since 2000, 62 people have been killed by or died due to the actions of the UK police (not including road accidents)
Of those 7 were terrorists actively engaged in an act of terror at the time of their killing. Of the remaining 55, 18 were BAME and 37 were white.
If the police were killing people strictly in proportion to the ethnic makeup of the UK those numbers would have been 12 BAME and 43 white.
So there is a small bias in the numbers towards killing of BAME over whites by police.
But the point is that the numbers are so small anyway - less than 3 people a year over the last 20 years - that I am not sure you can draw any conclusions from the numbers. Certainly not that there is some sort of institutional bias in the system that causes more BAME deaths than white deaths.
Now this is all very morbid but the point is that in the US there is a very clear issue with blacks being killed in disproportionate numbers compare to whites. That is the whole point of BLM and that is why they are right to be marching and should be supported. I am not sure you can reasonably make the same argument about the UK.
Do you think he's a bit bitter that the second wave hasn't happened
I'm no fan, but this time I tend to agree. Given the scale of damage that's been caused to the economy, I don't think that the UK government had any real alternative but to lift the lockdown substantially at this point. But lifting it to this extent?
Pubs are the sort of indoor venue where spread seems most likely with too many people likely to throw caution to the wind under the influence. Outdoors easing maybe, but indoors? It seems to be too much of a risk on a day when the number of daily Covid deaths reached a high for the last fortnight, reminding us that we are still far behind other European nations in the extent of our recovery from the virus. Much better for the government to have announced a limited further package of grant support very specifically targeted to tide pubs and their suppliers over for another month (together with other businesses still not permitted to reopen.) That might indeed be a better option for pubs if it turns out that most customers still refuse to drink inside out of caution.
The cost to the government of some further targeted grant support to selected businesses would be small beer (sorry!) by comparison to what's already been spent and the risk of further costs if the virus is given a chance to come back.
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Ben Bradley is saying what many people think, unlike the liberal elites posting on here, including many Brexiteers. It is quite amusing, as someone who voted remain, to see this play itself out.
Nobody doubts it's what many people think. People think all sorts of drivel. People are like that.
Remember this? “Never Again for Anyone” - the left’s “All Lives Matter”?
It was the same attempted hijacking and delegitimising of a cause by saying it was exclusionary. Quite rightly people called out as anti Semitic those who wanted to rebrand Holocaust Memorial Day, which commemorates an overwhelmingly Jewish tragedy, as a generic “Genocide Memorial Day“ (including Corbyn) and exactly the same thing is happening here. It’s a specific issue that is demanding a specific response. Many many issues are “valid and important”, including those Mr Bradley highlights, but it takes a special type of tone deaf to say people should stop campaigning about something simply because they are not talking about something else.
I don't but - yes - similarly pathetic and also a tell.
And those blokes who make a big song and dance about there not being an "International Men's Day". Oh dear.
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Ben Bradley is saying what many people think, unlike the liberal elites posting on here, including many Brexiteers. It is quite amusing, as someone who voted remain, to see this play itself out.
Nobody doubts it's what many people think. People think all sorts of drivel. People are like that.
Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People About Race Becoming BY MICHELLE OBAMA Natives Race & Class in the ruins of the Empire Sapiens Me and White Supremacy
Ive only read Sapiens and thoroughly recommend it. So 3 books specifically about race, 1 by the most popular black lady in the world, and the fifth about the history and future of all human kind.
Makes my point.
Sapiens is good. Homo Deus isn't anything like as good.
Are you going to give "Why I'm No Longer Talking To White People About Race" a go?
It's meant to be quite powerful.
Yes. I'm happy to read books and articles where the authors don't share my politics.
I hope you will also give "The Madness of Crowds" a go too.
Alright. Although I'm being pretty poor with books atm - especially given I don't work.
Apropos of nothing, here are some updates to the Oxford English Dictionary from 2013:
Credentialism: 'belief in or reliance on formal qualifications (esp. academic degrees) as the best measure of a person’s ability, intelligence, status, etc.’
Judgmentalism: ‘the quality of being judgemental; overly critical or moralistic behaviour.’
Chilling effect: 'a discouraging or deterring effect on the exercise of individual rights caused by a fear of legal action.'
And further on: "Therefore, not all ‘new’ words in the OED are actually new; many are extremely old. One such word which enters the dictionary in this update is sillytonian, a contemptuous term for a silly or gullible person which was apparently used only during the early 18th century."
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Ben Bradley is saying what many people think, unlike the liberal elites posting on here, including many Brexiteers. It is quite amusing, as someone who voted remain, to see this play itself out.
Ben Bradley should know better. The spirit of Terry Dicks lives on in the Conservative Party.
You liberal elites just don't get it.
Let's look at his record.
He had to make an apology to Jeremy Corbyn for accusing him of selling secrets to Communist spies.
His response to the Free Meals for Children over the summer row was to demand restrictions to stop parents abusing the largesse.
Shortly after that, he resigned as a PPS to spend more time with his family.
Now he's waded into another controversial issue which needs to be defused not enflamed.
If his whip isn't changing the password on every social media account the man has at this very minute, something has gone horribly wrong.
The Sage report is pretty clear. The only really effective interventions are not meeting at all, two metre distancing and cleaning hygiene. Masks, screens etc and shortening the time of interaction have some benefits, but not to the same degree.
Do you think he's a bit bitter that the second wave hasn't happened
I'm no fan, but this time I tend to agree. Given the scale of damage that's been caused to the economy, I don't think that the UK government had any real alternative but to lift the lockdown substantially at this point. But lifting it to this extent?
Pubs are the sort of indoor venue where spread seems most likely with too many people likely to throw caution to the wind under the influence. Outdoors easing maybe, but indoors? It seems to be too much of a risk on a day when the number of daily Covid deaths reached a high for the last fortnight, reminding us that we are still far behind other European nations in the extent of our recovery from the virus. Much better for the government to have announced a limited further package of grant support very specifically targeted to tide pubs and their suppliers over for another month (together with other businesses still not permitted to reopen.) That might indeed be a better option for pubs if it turns out that most customers still refuse to drink inside out of caution.
The cost to the government of some further targeted grant support to selected businesses would be small beer (sorry!) by comparison to what's already been spent and the risk of further costs if the virus is given a chance to come back.
I'll let you discuss with Cyclefree the logistics of pubs
But there were 171 deaths reported today, Tuesday last week it was 233, the week before it was 286 and the week before that 324.
Given that new infections are also trending down the number of deaths should keep falling for at least another week.
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Ben Bradley is saying what many people think, unlike the liberal elites posting on here, including many Brexiteers. It is quite amusing, as someone who voted remain, to see this play itself out.
Ben Bradley should know better. The spirit of Terry Dicks lives on in the Conservative Party.
You liberal elites just don't get it.
Let's look at his record.
He had to make an apology to Jeremy Corbyn for accusing him of selling secrets to Communist spies.
His response to the Free Meals for Children over the summer row was to demand restrictions to stop parents abusing the largesse.
Shortly after that, he resigned as a PPS to spend more time with his family.
Now he's waded into another controversial issue which needs to be defused not enflamed.
If his whip isn't changing the password on every social media account the man has at this very minute, something has gone horribly wrong.
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Ben Bradley is saying what many people think, unlike the liberal elites posting on here, including many Brexiteers. It is quite amusing, as someone who voted remain, to see this play itself out.
Ben Bradley should know better. The spirit of Terry Dicks lives on in the Conservative Party.
You liberal elites just don't get it.
Let's look at his record.
He had to make an apology to Jeremy Corbyn for accusing him of selling secrets to Communist spies.
His response to the Free Meals for Children over the summer row was to demand restrictions to stop parents abusing the largesse.
Shortly after that, he resigned as a PPS to spend more time with his family.
Now he's waded into another controversial issue which needs to be defused not enflamed.
If his whip isn't changing the password on every social media account the man has at this very minute, something has gone horribly wrong.
"No crime has been committed" probably isn't true in this instance.
There are a great many laws and regulations regarding aviation, especially combined with COVID laws, that could have been breached here.
If someone makes a complaint the police always investigate - it's a journalistic trick to make something out of it. If I allege that someone on this blog is an ace murderers, the police will (briefly0 check out whether I have reasons for saying so and whether they are plausible.
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Ben Bradley is saying what many people think, unlike the liberal elites posting on here, including many Brexiteers. It is quite amusing, as someone who voted remain, to see this play itself out.
Nobody doubts it's what many people think. People think all sorts of drivel. People are like that.
Remember this? “Never Again for Anyone” - the left’s “All Lives Matter”?
It was the same attempted hijacking and delegitimising of a cause by saying it was exclusionary. Quite rightly people called out as anti Semitic those who wanted to rebrand Holocaust Memorial Day, which commemorates an overwhelmingly Jewish tragedy, as a generic “Genocide Memorial Day“ (including Corbyn) and exactly the same thing is happening here. It’s a specific issue that is demanding a specific response. Many many issues are “valid and important”, including those Mr Bradley highlights, but it takes a special type of tone deaf to say people should stop campaigning about something simply because they are not talking about something else.
I don't but - yes - similarly pathetic and also a tell.
And those blokes who make a big song and dance about there not being an "International Men's Day". Oh dear.
19th November
Yes so I gather. The gripe must therefore be that it's not big enough. Which since I've never heard of it is maybe true!
"The problem is this: if a basic statement of truth like “1+1=2” is completely indifferent to the location in which it is uttered, if it remains true whether you like it or not, if it stays true no matter whether the majority of the population decide they like it or not, then universal truth can begin to look like the perfect expression of colonialism.
You may think this is madness, and, of course, it is. But nonetheless, the reason some say that science and maths require decolonising is not because there have been too many white people teaching it, but for the much deeper reason that the very concept of science has an inbuilt resistance to the idea that African science may be a different kind of thing, and come up with different conclusions, to European science."
The Sage report is pretty clear. The only really effective interventions are not meeting at all, two metre distancing and cleaning hygiene. Masks, screens etc and shortening the time of interaction have some benefits, but not to the same degree.
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Ben Bradley is saying what many people think, unlike the liberal elites posting on here, including many Brexiteers. It is quite amusing, as someone who voted remain, to see this play itself out.
Nobody doubts it's what many people think. People think all sorts of drivel. People are like that.
Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People About Race Becoming BY MICHELLE OBAMA Natives Race & Class in the ruins of the Empire Sapiens Me and White Supremacy
Ive only read Sapiens and thoroughly recommend it. So 3 books specifically about race, 1 by the most popular black lady in the world, and the fifth about the history and future of all human kind.
Makes my point.
Most bought isn't the same as most read.
And my library proves it.
This is most read rather than most bought - guessing they calculate that from kindles but dont know. Most bought has 4/5 books specifically about race, including the 3 in most read, the fifth is about feminism.
The future is going to have people with better understanding of these issues than we have today.
The Sage report is pretty clear. The only really effective interventions are not meeting at all, two metre distancing and cleaning hygiene. Masks, screens etc and shortening the time of interaction have some benefits, but not to the same degree.
"The problem is this: if a basic statement of truth like “1+1=2” is completely indifferent to the location in which it is uttered, if it remains true whether you like it or not, if it stays true no matter whether the majority of the population decide they like it or not, then universal truth can begin to look like the perfect expression of colonialism.
You may think this is madness, and, of course, it is. But nonetheless, the reason some say that science and maths require decolonising is not because there have been too many white people teaching it, but for the much deeper reason that the very concept of science has an inbuilt resistance to the idea that African science may be a different kind of thing, and come up with different conclusions, to European science."
"Woke, then, is the reductio ad absurdum of the whole nominalist programme. Woke obsesses about language because, from the nominalist perspective, language is all that there is."
Comments
1) Comedy?
2) Police brutality?
3) All of the above
https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/42381/never-again-for-anyone-initiative
It was the same attempted hijacking and delegitimising of a cause by saying it was exclusionary. Quite rightly people called out as anti Semitic those who wanted to rebrand Holocaust Memorial Day, which commemorates an overwhelmingly Jewish tragedy, as a generic “Genocide Memorial Day“ (including Corbyn) and exactly the same thing is happening here. It’s a specific issue that is demanding a specific response. Many many issues are “valid and important”, including those Mr Bradley highlights, but it takes a special type of tone deaf to say people should stop campaigning about something simply because they are not talking about something else.
Similarly the Fawlty Towers episode. Even in the mid Seventies the language used by the Major was not to be spoken, nor were we supposed to be mean to the Germans. Transgression is key to the joke, but also why much comedy dates so badly.
Intrafamilial Exposure to SARS-CoV-2 Induces Cellular Immune Response without Seroconversion
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.21.20132449v1
... In the background of the current COVID-19 pandemic, serological tests are being used to assess past infection and immunity against SARS-CoV-2. This knowledge is paramount to determine the transmission dynamics of SARS-CoV-2 through the post pandemic period. Several individuals belonging to households with an index COVID-19 patient, reported symptoms of COVID-19 but discrepant serology results. Methods. Here we investigated the humoral and cellular immune responses against SARS-CoV-2 in seven families, including nine index patients and eight contacts, who had evidence of serological discordances within the households. Ten unexposed healthy donors were enrolled as controls. Results. All index patients recovered from a mild COVID-19. They all developed anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies and a significant T cell response detectable up to 69 days after symptom onset. Six of the eight contacts reported COVID-19 symptoms within 1 to 7 days after the index patients but all were SARS-CoV-2 seronegative. Six out of eight contacts developed a SARS-CoV-2-specific T cell response against structural and/or accessory proteins that lasts up to 80 days post symptom onset suggesting a past SARS-CoV-2 infection. Conclusion. Exposure to SARS-CoV-2 can induce virus-specific T cell responses without seroconversion. T cell responses may be more sensitive indicators of SARS-Co-V-2 exposure than antibodies. Our results indicate that epidemiological data relying only on the detection of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies may lead to a substantial underestimation of prior exposure to the virus..
I was wondering whether it had finally been confirmed that Cummings takes it with pineapple...
And those blokes who make a big song and dance about there not being an "International Men's Day". Oh dear.
It's meant to be quite powerful.
BRUSSELS — European Union countries rushing to revive their economies and reopen their borders after months of coronavirus restrictions are prepared to block Americans from entering because the United States has failed to control the scourge, according to draft lists of acceptable travelers seen by The New York Times.
That prospect, which would lump American visitors in with Russians and Brazilians as unwelcome, is a stinging blow to American prestige in the world and a repudiation of President Trump’s handling of the virus in the United States, which has more than 2.3 million cases and upward of 120,000 deaths, more than any other country....
Despite the disruptions caused by such a ban, European officials involved in the talks said it was highly unlikely an exception would be made for the United States. They said that the criteria for creating the list of acceptable countries had been deliberately kept as scientific and nonpolitical as possible.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/23/world/europe/coronavirus-EU-American-travel-ban.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share
Oh and a 7.4 Earthquake in Mexico too
“No, Save all Aquatic Mammals!”
“Why are we not talking about all the endangered mammals on Earth?”
“It’s unhelpful and divisive to restrict the campaign to mammals...”
1) The article mentions controls in the abstract, but I couldn't see this reported in the results.
2) This is the Abbott antibody test, as used in my Trust, but it is quite time sensitive. It often takes 4 weeks to get detectable antibodies.
3) It does look as if the cellular immunity is to a different antigen to the antibodies.
And my library proves it.
Assume it's some amateur diddy, if it's 77th Brigade the British state is buggered.
Lot more flights over my house today.
Maids have been dumped outside a Beirut embassy, amid an ongoing economic crisis in Lebanon, heightened by the coronavirus pandemic.
Lebanon’s economy is collapsing with the country’s currency losing 70% of its value in the past six months.
Now many of the country’s middle class claim they can no longer afford to pay their domestic maids.
More than 100 Ethiopian migrant workers have been dumped outside their embassy in the capital in recent days.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-53031803/ethiopian-maids-dumped-outside-beirut-embassy
Now imagine if it was happening in Israel instead - do we think there might be a different reaction ?
https://twitter.com/EconUS/status/1275524304252342273?s=09
2019 Con +17.3%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansfield_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
Nobody is forcing you to go to the pub or cinema if you don't want to.
Should just allow suncream and sand paper to be used instead.
The future is going to have people with better understanding of these issues than we have today.
If he wants to start a blog then the First Amendment gives him the right to say whatever he wants.
Twitter can say that threatening violence as he did is against their rules though.
After all he's done so previously.
I would imagine other than that, the risks would be minimal.
And this in Mansfield - a notorious shithole not some demographically gentrifying landscape prettifying place like Bassetlaw or Bolsover.
Ben Bradley must be a contender for electoral titan of this age, no of ANY age.
And you’re allowed to substitute a player showing Covid symptoms....
I hope you will also give "The Madness of Crowds" a go too.
2001: +11.4%
2005: +6.1%
Not too shabby, you might think. And Andrew R is undoubtedly good at going round the constituency, making himself known to all and sundry and being Romford's MP. And unashamed populism undoubtedly strikes a chord.
But.
His political career has gone basically nowhere. Opposition Whip, Shadow Junior Home Office Minister in 2007, that's been it. The last cause he was famous for championing was that BBC One should play "God Save The Queen" at closedown.
The potential problem is this. Actions that might gain that individual MP support in their constituency- from name recognition, if nothing else- might put off more voters from voting for that party elsewhere. Either because the comments are nasty (Boris agrees to be magnanimous about food, but I've got to have my say and say something a bit mean) or stupid (Jezza is a commie agent). What's in their personal interest as a local MP isn't in the overall interest of the party nationwide.
And that's what Whips are for.
A century of Labour MPs and Labour councils and Mansfield is the place everyone for fifty miles looks down on.
Of those 7 were terrorists actively engaged in an act of terror at the time of their killing. Of the remaining 55, 18 were BAME and 37 were white.
If the police were killing people strictly in proportion to the ethnic makeup of the UK those numbers would have been 12 BAME and 43 white.
So there is a small bias in the numbers towards killing of BAME over whites by police.
But the point is that the numbers are so small anyway - less than 3 people a year over the last 20 years - that I am not sure you can draw any conclusions from the numbers. Certainly not that there is some sort of institutional bias in the system that causes more BAME deaths than white deaths.
Now this is all very morbid but the point is that in the US there is a very clear issue with blacks being killed in disproportionate numbers compare to whites. That is the whole point of BLM and that is why they are right to be marching and should be supported. I am not sure you can reasonably make the same argument about the UK.
Pubs are the sort of indoor venue where spread seems most likely with too many people likely to throw caution to the wind under the influence. Outdoors easing maybe, but indoors? It seems to be too much of a risk on a day when the number of daily Covid deaths reached a high for the last fortnight, reminding us that we are still far behind other European nations in the extent of our recovery from the virus. Much better for the government to have announced a limited further package of grant support very specifically targeted to tide pubs and their suppliers over for another month (together with other businesses still not permitted to reopen.) That might indeed be a better option for pubs if it turns out that most customers still refuse to drink inside out of caution.
The cost to the government of some further targeted grant support to selected businesses would be small beer (sorry!) by comparison to what's already been spent and the risk of further costs if the virus is given a chance to come back.
I will email Philip Davies.
It is the weekend after this coming weekend.
Presumably this is only because NHSX has completely failed to deliver a working app.
I rather liked the verb “betrump” meaning “to cheat or deceive” 😀
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/rouzybouzy-wlonk-and-sillytonian-language-experts-uncover-lost-english-words-ideal-for-modern-life-a3635421.html?amp
But there were 171 deaths reported today, Tuesday last week it was 233, the week before it was 286 and the week before that 324.
Given that new infections are also trending down the number of deaths should keep falling for at least another week.
You may think this is madness, and, of course, it is. But nonetheless, the reason some say that science and maths require decolonising is not because there have been too many white people teaching it, but for the much deeper reason that the very concept of science has an inbuilt resistance to the idea that African science may be a different kind of thing, and come up with different conclusions, to European science."
https://unherd.com/2020/06/the-danger-of-human-categories/
But is it separately, sequentially or simultaneously ?