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Outdoor gyms, playgrounds, cinemas, museums, galleries, theme parks, arcades, libraries, social clubs and community centres can reopen “if they can do so safely” from 4 JulyPM Boris Johnson sets out further easing of lockdown in EnglandLatest: https://t.co/TNnmnYWvkC pic.twitter.com/I9lciOqFwG

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  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Two pints of lager and a packet of crisps please.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    The key question is, how many people will change their behaviour. I doubt I'll do anything difference. I certainly don't fancy going to a pub.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,118
    Not opening indoor gyms seems very sensible. The gym sector though will be f##ked and I imagine many gym bunnies quite pissed.
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758
    Ave_it said:

    Two pints of lager and a packet of crisps please.

    Let's be having your real name then!
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,681
    edited June 2020
    Ave_it said:

    Two pints of lager and a packet of crisps please.

    You'll need an app for that...

    Shame that the best pubs are the ones out of mobile range.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139
    edited June 2020
    https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1275407664382689280?s=20 too.

    https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1275399937178697729?s=20

    https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1275396539565957120?s=20

    So lockdown effectively ends on 4th July with the exception of going to gyms, nightclubs or swimming pools, though you still need to keep at least 1 metres from others outside your household and will be encouraged still to WFH if you can
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487
    tlg86 said:

    The key question is, how many people will change their behaviour. I doubt I'll do anything difference. I certainly don't fancy going to a pub.

    I do.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    NorthofStoke said:

    Ave_it said:

    Two pints of lager and a packet of crisps please.

    Let's be having your real name then!
    Yes. Its Layla Moran*

    * this statement may or may not be correct
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    eadric said:

    American cases are surging, and have been for some time, especially in the South.

    And yet, deaths are still gently but steadily declining.

    I know "death" is a lagging indicator, but still. I am starting to wonder if the virus simply weakens, after a while. Or there is a hidden reservoir of healthy resistance.

    I think people become much more cautious and are aware of the risks.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487
    I suspect if Theresa May were still Prime Minister hairdressers would feature in this announcement.

    You can limit entrants to a salon, make mask wearing and temperature checks compulsory, and require hairdressers themselves to wear shields.

    Basically, just as nurses do in the NHS. If they want to charge more for the risk, so be it.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,999
    Fpt
    Casino_Royale said:


    Or, in your case, an orange man.

    I know one of your barely informed Scotch hobbyhorses is use of the term 'Loyalist'. I'm sad to report that it appears now to be almost universally accepted by the Scottish media. Time for you to write some stiff letters, though I'd suggest avoiding green ink if only to avoid confusion.

    https://tinyurl.com/y7eg7dkj
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590
    NorthofStoke said:

    Ave_it said:

    Two pints of lager and a packet of crisps please.

    Let's be having your real name then!
    Mrs Chris Huhne.
  • matthiasfromhamburgmatthiasfromhamburg Posts: 957
    eadric said:

    American cases are surging, and have been for some time, especially in the South.

    And yet, deaths are still gently but steadily declining.

    I know "death" is a lagging indicator, but still. I am starting to wonder if the virus simply weakens, after a while. Or there is a hidden reservoir of healthy resistance.

    Yes, it's the "dark matter" that we Germans sprinkle over our breakfast müsli every morning to cheat the Grim Reaper. The narrative of death lagging the disease is merely fake news.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    MikeSmithson said:

    eadric said:

    American cases are surging, and have been for some time, especially in the South.

    And yet, deaths are still gently but steadily declining.

    I know "death" is a lagging indicator, but still. I am starting to wonder if the virus simply weakens, after a while. Or there is a hidden reservoir of healthy resistance.

    I think people become much more cautious and are aware of the risks.
    Apart from attendees of Trump rallies, of course.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Fpt

    Casino_Royale said:


    Or, in your case, an orange man.

    I know one of your barely informed Scotch hobbyhorses is use of the term 'Loyalist'. I'm sad to report that it appears now to be almost universally accepted by the Scottish media. Time for you to write some stiff letters, though I'd suggest avoiding green ink if only to avoid confusion.

    https://tinyurl.com/y7eg7dkj
    Nope, that's your language.

    And I've pulled you up on it many times.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,707
    Casino_Royale said:

    I suspect if Theresa May were still Prime Minister hairdressers would feature in this announcement.

    You can limit entrants to a salon, make mask wearing and temperature checks compulsory, and require hairdressers themselves to wear shields.

    Basically, just as nurses do in the NHS. If they want to charge more for the risk, so be it.

    Hairdressers were mentioned in the BBC alert I got.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    MikeSmithson said:

    eadric said:

    American cases are surging, and have been for some time, especially in the South.

    And yet, deaths are still gently but steadily declining.

    I know "death" is a lagging indicator, but still. I am starting to wonder if the virus simply weakens, after a while. Or there is a hidden reservoir of healthy resistance.

    I think people become much more cautious and are aware of the risks.
    I have spoken with two people who I see regularly for beers. One is 70+ and the other is shielding. Neither will be rushing back to the pub.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Casino_Royale said:

    I suspect if Theresa May were still Prime Minister hairdressers would feature in this announcement.

    You can limit entrants to a salon, make mask wearing and temperature checks compulsory, and require hairdressers themselves to wear shields.

    Basically, just as nurses do in the NHS. If they want to charge more for the risk, so be it.

    They are opening.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,222
    Burgon makes Johnson look like a statesman, let alone Starmer.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    edited June 2020
    HYUFD said:

    So lockdown effectively ends on 4th July with the exception of going to gyms, nightclubs or swimming pools, though you still need to keep at least 1 metres from others outside your household and will be encouraged still to WFH if you can

    What's the technique for hairdressers to follow the 1m + guideline?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,222
    Ave_it said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    eadric said:

    American cases are surging, and have been for some time, especially in the South.

    And yet, deaths are still gently but steadily declining.

    I know "death" is a lagging indicator, but still. I am starting to wonder if the virus simply weakens, after a while. Or there is a hidden reservoir of healthy resistance.

    I think people become much more cautious and are aware of the risks.
    I have spoken with two people who I see regularly for beers. One is 70+ and the other is shielding. Neither will be rushing back to the pub.
    Which likely answers Sean's question about the apparent lower death rates in the US.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:



    So lockdown effectively ends on 4th July with the exception of going to gyms, nightclubs or swimming pools, though you still need to keep at least 1 metres from others outside your household and will be encouraged still to WFH if you can

    What's the technique for hairdressers to follow the 1m + guideline?
    Face shields, wasn't it?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,999
    Casino_Royale said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Fpt

    Casino_Royale said:


    Or, in your case, an orange man.

    I know one of your barely informed Scotch hobbyhorses is use of the term 'Loyalist'. I'm sad to report that it appears now to be almost universally accepted by the Scottish media. Time for you to write some stiff letters, though I'd suggest avoiding green ink if only to avoid confusion.

    https://tinyurl.com/y7eg7dkj
    Nope, that's your language.

    And I've pulled you up on it many times.
    Checks notes.

    Also the language of the BBC, Daily Mail, The Sun, Daily Record, The Scotsman, The Herald etc.

    I'll downgrade you to completely uninformed shall I?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487
    williamglenn said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    I suspect if Theresa May were still Prime Minister hairdressers would feature in this announcement.

    You can limit entrants to a salon, make mask wearing and temperature checks compulsory, and require hairdressers themselves to wear shields.

    Basically, just as nurses do in the NHS. If they want to charge more for the risk, so be it.

    Hairdressers were mentioned in the BBC alert I got.
    Apologies. My bad.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,999
    eadric said:

    Ave_it said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    eadric said:

    American cases are surging, and have been for some time, especially in the South.

    And yet, deaths are still gently but steadily declining.

    I know "death" is a lagging indicator, but still. I am starting to wonder if the virus simply weakens, after a while. Or there is a hidden reservoir of healthy resistance.

    I think people become much more cautious and are aware of the risks.
    I have spoken with two people who I see regularly for beers. One is 70+ and the other is shielding. Neither will be rushing back to the pub.
    Under 30s are gagging for it, tho
    What about the pub?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    As for Djoko, what's the problem?

    As long as he doesn't go and hug his great-grandmother (and even if he does, he and she would be aware of the risk) - he and the fellow competitors at that tournament are in the essentially zero risk category.

    Why shouldn't they play tennis together?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    TOPPING said:

    As for Djoko, what's the problem?

    As long as he doesn't go and hug his great-grandmother (and even if he does, he and she would be aware of the risk) - he and the fellow competitors at that tournament are in the essentially zero risk category.

    Why shouldn't they play tennis together?

    Because of the people who are asymptomatic and go on to hug their great-grandmother, perhaps? :p
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    https://twitter.com/Paul1Singh/status/1275387513423740931?s=20
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139
    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    So lockdown effectively ends on 4th July with the exception of going to gyms, nightclubs or swimming pools, though you still need to keep at least 1 metres from others outside your household and will be encouraged still to WFH if you can

    What's the technique for hairdressers to follow the 1m + guideline?
    Facemasks
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    Casino_Royale said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Fpt

    Casino_Royale said:


    Or, in your case, an orange man.

    I know one of your barely informed Scotch hobbyhorses is use of the term 'Loyalist'. I'm sad to report that it appears now to be almost universally accepted by the Scottish media. Time for you to write some stiff letters, though I'd suggest avoiding green ink if only to avoid confusion.

    https://tinyurl.com/y7eg7dkj
    Nope, that's your language.

    And I've pulled you up on it many times.
    What's so wrong with it that it needs you to police its use?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    The bloke winning my Fantasy Premier League is winning the whole thing!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Fpt

    Casino_Royale said:


    Or, in your case, an orange man.

    I know one of your barely informed Scotch hobbyhorses is use of the term 'Loyalist'. I'm sad to report that it appears now to be almost universally accepted by the Scottish media. Time for you to write some stiff letters, though I'd suggest avoiding green ink if only to avoid confusion.

    https://tinyurl.com/y7eg7dkj
    Nope, that's your language.

    And I've pulled you up on it many times.
    Checks notes.

    Also the language of the BBC, Daily Mail, The Sun, Daily Record, The Scotsman, The Herald etc.

    I'll downgrade you to completely uninformed shall I?
    You happily conflate Unionist and Loyalist freely, because it suits your agenda.

    It's the only way you can rationalise your bitter world view.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    eadric said:

    American cases are surging, and have been for some time, especially in the South.

    And yet, deaths are still gently but steadily declining.

    I know "death" is a lagging indicator, but still. I am starting to wonder if the virus simply weakens, after a while. Or there is a hidden reservoir of healthy resistance.

    Great news that after so long, finally you have found the ‘on’ button for your brain.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487
    Dura_Ace said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Fpt

    Casino_Royale said:


    Or, in your case, an orange man.

    I know one of your barely informed Scotch hobbyhorses is use of the term 'Loyalist'. I'm sad to report that it appears now to be almost universally accepted by the Scottish media. Time for you to write some stiff letters, though I'd suggest avoiding green ink if only to avoid confusion.

    https://tinyurl.com/y7eg7dkj
    Nope, that's your language.

    And I've pulled you up on it many times.
    What's so wrong with it that it needs you to police its use?
    I don't think importing sectarian language from NI into the debate on the future of Scotland's place in the Union is healthy.

    In fact, I think it's rather nasty.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,466
    eadric said:

    American cases are surging, and have been for some time, especially in the South.

    And yet, deaths are still gently but steadily declining.

    I know "death" is a lagging indicator, but still. I am starting to wonder if the virus simply weakens, after a while. Or there is a hidden reservoir of healthy resistance.

    The odd medic keeps popping up saying that they think the virus is less good at killing than it was a couple of months ago. Must be possible, as some viruses have been known to reduce in potency with time. Yet another really difficult to answer question!
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    edited June 2020
    eadric said:

    American cases are surging, and have been for some time, especially in the South.

    And yet, deaths are still gently but steadily declining.

    I know "death" is a lagging indicator, but still. I am starting to wonder if the virus simply weakens, after a while. Or there is a hidden reservoir of healthy resistance.

    Wasn’t there a paper from Italy a week or two back suggesting that the virus was losing its severity overall? It was claimed that fewer new cases were developing into critical illness than before. That would be fit the common outcome of viruses evolving to have less severity over time as severity produces more mitigation efforts which reduces its ability to spread.

    The question is, at what level of severity expressed as percentage of cases likely to suffer hospitalisation, death or long-term incapacity does the economic impact of mitigation become more harmful than letting the virus run its course?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487
    eadric said:

    Re the previous thread's discussion of "offensive" Christian images: the amazing thing about the original tweet is that the tweeter is the infamous white guy who pretended to be black, to get ahead in identity politics/punditry

    Even though he has been exposed as a total fraud, it has worked for him. He has 1m Twitter followers

    Imagine telling yourself 20 years ago that in two decades we will have a worldwide discussion forum angrily debating whether we should remove all images of Jesus and the Blessed Virgin, tear down all statues and smash all windows, because they embody white supremacy, and that debate will be led by a white man who rose to fame my pretending he was black and many people believed him even though he is clearly white.

    Right now, it's one of the best ways to get attention from both sides.

    If you're a narcissist, why wouldn't you give it a go?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,805
    Betting Post

    FPT:
    F1: backed a special on Hamilton to get a podium in the first 8 races of the season at 4.5 (Ladbrokes).

    Now, that's probably badly worded, but if it's correct that's ridiculous value. However, even if it it means at every race, that happened last year.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    eadric said:

    Nigelb said:

    Ave_it said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    eadric said:

    American cases are surging, and have been for some time, especially in the South.

    And yet, deaths are still gently but steadily declining.

    I know "death" is a lagging indicator, but still. I am starting to wonder if the virus simply weakens, after a while. Or there is a hidden reservoir of healthy resistance.

    I think people become much more cautious and are aware of the risks.
    I have spoken with two people who I see regularly for beers. One is 70+ and the other is shielding. Neither will be rushing back to the pub.
    Which likely answers Sean's question about the apparent lower death rates in the US.
    Sigh. I am not SeanT.
    Is that what you are going to say when you go to the pub?! :lol:
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,222
    eadric said:

    Nigelb said:

    Ave_it said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    eadric said:

    American cases are surging, and have been for some time, especially in the South.

    And yet, deaths are still gently but steadily declining.

    I know "death" is a lagging indicator, but still. I am starting to wonder if the virus simply weakens, after a while. Or there is a hidden reservoir of healthy resistance.

    I think people become much more cautious and are aware of the risks.
    I have spoken with two people who I see regularly for beers. One is 70+ and the other is shielding. Neither will be rushing back to the pub.
    Which likely answers Sean's question about the apparent lower death rates in the US.
    Sigh. I am not SeanT.
    Did I say you were ?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    isam said:

    The bloke winning my Fantasy Premier League is winning the whole thing!

    Yeah, but he's not in the PB league. I see that Aaron is last; I guess MPs don't have time to waste on fantasy football!
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868
    eadric said:

    Re the previous thread's discussion of "offensive" Christian images: the amazing thing about the original tweet is that the tweeter is the infamous white guy who pretended to be black, to get ahead in identity politics/punditry

    Even though he has been exposed as a total fraud, it has worked for him. He has 1m Twitter followers

    Imagine telling yourself 20 years ago that in two decades we will have a worldwide discussion forum angrily debating whether we should remove all images of Jesus and the Blessed Virgin, tear down all statues and smash all windows, because they embody white supremacy, and that debate will be led by a white man who rose to fame my pretending he was black and many people believed him even though he is clearly white.

    His defence was quite funny, saying that the person listed as his father on his birth certificate wasn't actually his father.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    MaxPB said:

    eadric said:

    Re the previous thread's discussion of "offensive" Christian images: the amazing thing about the original tweet is that the tweeter is the infamous white guy who pretended to be black, to get ahead in identity politics/punditry

    Even though he has been exposed as a total fraud, it has worked for him. He has 1m Twitter followers

    Imagine telling yourself 20 years ago that in two decades we will have a worldwide discussion forum angrily debating whether we should remove all images of Jesus and the Blessed Virgin, tear down all statues and smash all windows, because they embody white supremacy, and that debate will be led by a white man who rose to fame my pretending he was black and many people believed him even though he is clearly white.

    His defence was quite funny, saying that the person listed as his father on his birth certificate wasn't actually his father.
    Nicking Jesus’s own argument to defend a challenge like that is serious trolling.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,999
    Dura_Ace said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Fpt

    Casino_Royale said:


    Or, in your case, an orange man.

    I know one of your barely informed Scotch hobbyhorses is use of the term 'Loyalist'. I'm sad to report that it appears now to be almost universally accepted by the Scottish media. Time for you to write some stiff letters, though I'd suggest avoiding green ink if only to avoid confusion.

    https://tinyurl.com/y7eg7dkj
    Nope, that's your language.

    And I've pulled you up on it many times.
    What's so wrong with it that it needs you to police its use?
    Liberty loving apostles of free speech WILL NOT be obstructed in their aim of censoring the speech of other people! In fact they might need to get Toby Young involved.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,482
    edited June 2020
    Casino_Royale said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Fpt

    Casino_Royale said:


    Or, in your case, an orange man.

    I know one of your barely informed Scotch hobbyhorses is use of the term 'Loyalist'. I'm sad to report that it appears now to be almost universally accepted by the Scottish media. Time for you to write some stiff letters, though I'd suggest avoiding green ink if only to avoid confusion.

    https://tinyurl.com/y7eg7dkj
    Nope, that's your language.

    And I've pulled you up on it many times.
    Checks notes.

    Also the language of the BBC, Daily Mail, The Sun, Daily Record, The Scotsman, The Herald etc.

    I'll downgrade you to completely uninformed shall I?
    You happily conflate Unionist and Loyalist freely, because it suits your agenda.

    It's the only way you can rationalise your bitter world view.
    TUD is one of the sensible nats we have here, but there's are certain dark place you must nurture to be a nationalist. You have to keep perceiving insult, subjugation, dismissiveness, you have to magnify differences and gloss over commonalities. If you stopped doing all that stuff, you'd stop caring about 'the cause'.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,264
    MaxPB said:

    eadric said:

    Re the previous thread's discussion of "offensive" Christian images: the amazing thing about the original tweet is that the tweeter is the infamous white guy who pretended to be black, to get ahead in identity politics/punditry

    Even though he has been exposed as a total fraud, it has worked for him. He has 1m Twitter followers

    Imagine telling yourself 20 years ago that in two decades we will have a worldwide discussion forum angrily debating whether we should remove all images of Jesus and the Blessed Virgin, tear down all statues and smash all windows, because they embody white supremacy, and that debate will be led by a white man who rose to fame my pretending he was black and many people believed him even though he is clearly white.

    His defence was quite funny, saying that the person listed as his father on his birth certificate wasn't actually his father.
    It's a defence anyone could use, but only by defaming their mother.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862
    My daughter and her entire team have just been paid off by Tesco's who seem to have decided that they need fewer people to cope with home deliveries. Quite a few jobs lost.

    She's pretty gutted. It was only ever going to be a stepping stone for her but it has kept her busy and put some money in the bank. Even lockdowns had some upsides.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,060
    OT: Pakistan tour of England looking doubtful now :(

    https://twitter.com/cricbuzz/status/1275417902049406976?s=20
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,222
    rpjs said:

    eadric said:

    American cases are surging, and have been for some time, especially in the South.

    And yet, deaths are still gently but steadily declining.

    I know "death" is a lagging indicator, but still. I am starting to wonder if the virus simply weakens, after a while. Or there is a hidden reservoir of healthy resistance.

    Wasn’t there a paper from Italy a week or two back suggesting that the virus was losing its severity overall? It was claimed that fewer new cases were developing into critical illness than before. That would be fit the common outcome of viruses evolving to have less severity over time as severity produces more mitigation efforts which reduces its ability to spread.

    The question is, at what level of severity expressed as percentage of cases likely to suffer hospitalisation, death or long-term incapacity does the economic impact of mitigation become more harmful than letting the virus run its course?
    There are so many confounding factors that it's impossible for now to demonstrate that the virus has changed its effects in any way at all.
    (And 'over time' begs an huge question, as does 'severity produces more mitigation effects'.)
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    So lockdown effectively ends on 4th July with the exception of going to gyms, nightclubs or swimming pools, though you still need to keep at least 1 metres from others outside your household and will be encouraged still to WFH if you can

    What's the technique for hairdressers to follow the 1m + guideline?
    Selfie stick
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Betting Post

    FPT:
    F1: backed a special on Hamilton to get a podium in the first 8 races of the season at 4.5 (Ladbrokes).

    Now, that's probably badly worded, but if it's correct that's ridiculous value. However, even if it it means at every race, that happened last year.

    It definitely means at every race. No bet.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,482
    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    So lockdown effectively ends on 4th July with the exception of going to gyms, nightclubs or swimming pools, though you still need to keep at least 1 metres from others outside your household and will be encouraged still to WFH if you can

    What's the technique for hairdressers to follow the 1m + guideline?
    Selfie stick
    And use of a strimmer.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,707
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Fpt

    Casino_Royale said:


    Or, in your case, an orange man.

    I know one of your barely informed Scotch hobbyhorses is use of the term 'Loyalist'. I'm sad to report that it appears now to be almost universally accepted by the Scottish media. Time for you to write some stiff letters, though I'd suggest avoiding green ink if only to avoid confusion.

    https://tinyurl.com/y7eg7dkj
    Nope, that's your language.

    And I've pulled you up on it many times.
    Checks notes.

    Also the language of the BBC, Daily Mail, The Sun, Daily Record, The Scotsman, The Herald etc.

    I'll downgrade you to completely uninformed shall I?
    You happily conflate Unionist and Loyalist freely, because it suits your agenda.

    It's the only way you can rationalise your bitter world view.
    TUD is one of the sensible nats we have here, but there's are certain dark place you must nurture to be a nationalist. You have to keep perceiving insult, subjugation, dismissiveness, you have to magnify differences and gloss over commonalities. If you stopped doing all that stuff, you'd stop caring about 'the cause'.
    Is that why you're a nationalist?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139
    eadric said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    eadric said:

    Re the previous thread's discussion of "offensive" Christian images: the amazing thing about the original tweet is that the tweeter is the infamous white guy who pretended to be black, to get ahead in identity politics/punditry

    Even though he has been exposed as a total fraud, it has worked for him. He has 1m Twitter followers

    Imagine telling yourself 20 years ago that in two decades we will have a worldwide discussion forum angrily debating whether we should remove all images of Jesus and the Blessed Virgin, tear down all statues and smash all windows, because they embody white supremacy, and that debate will be led by a white man who rose to fame my pretending he was black and many people believed him even though he is clearly white.

    Right now, it's one of the best ways to get attention from both sides.

    If you're a narcissist, why wouldn't you give it a go?
    This is why iconoclastic political convulsions are so dangerous: the pioneers at the frontline have to be evermore outrageous to maintain their first-rank status, so you go from guillotining the French king, to guillotining all French nobles to guillotining absolutely anyone who is denounced by anyone else, until the guillotiners themselves get the chop.

    Similarly, we have gone from toppling one slave trader statue in Bristol to banning sitcoms and movies, removing windows and murals, defacing depictions of national heroes, and now a suggestion that we literally smash Christian icons - IN ABOUT THREE WEEKS.

    It will burn out, of course. But it could get nasty interim

    And Trump has responded today

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1275379758021390336?s=20
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862
    CatMan said:

    OT: Pakistan tour of England looking doubtful now :(

    https://twitter.com/cricbuzz/status/1275417902049406976?s=20

    Why? Their entire team will probably have immunity.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    DavidL said:

    My daughter and her entire team have just been paid off by Tesco's who seem to have decided that they need fewer people to cope with home deliveries. Quite a few jobs lost.

    She's pretty gutted. It was only ever going to be a stepping stone for her but it has kept her busy and put some money in the bank. Even lockdowns had some upsides.

    My son had been doing a similar thing at another store chain.

    He was on a zero hours contract but had been verbally promised a permanent contract with guaranteed hours.

    Then he ended up having an operation and 3 weeks recovery - so they let him go.

    He is philosophical, I am less so.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    RobD said:

    TOPPING said:

    As for Djoko, what's the problem?

    As long as he doesn't go and hug his great-grandmother (and even if he does, he and she would be aware of the risk) - he and the fellow competitors at that tournament are in the essentially zero risk category.

    Why shouldn't they play tennis together?

    Because of the people who are asymptomatic and go on to hug their great-grandmother, perhaps? :p
    I have just played in a tennis tournament and been in close proximity to many others. I'd better be careful...

    No?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    eadric said:

    Nigelb said:

    eadric said:

    Nigelb said:

    Ave_it said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    eadric said:

    American cases are surging, and have been for some time, especially in the South.

    And yet, deaths are still gently but steadily declining.

    I know "death" is a lagging indicator, but still. I am starting to wonder if the virus simply weakens, after a while. Or there is a hidden reservoir of healthy resistance.

    I think people become much more cautious and are aware of the risks.
    I have spoken with two people who I see regularly for beers. One is 70+ and the other is shielding. Neither will be rushing back to the pub.
    Which likely answers Sean's question about the apparent lower death rates in the US.
    Sigh. I am not SeanT.
    Did I say you were ?
    You implied it, and, to be honest, it is getting boring. Trying to identify or misidentify people on a site who clearly prefer to be anonymous is simply bad manners, and it puts people off contributing in the end. Stop, please. Thanks
    Best advice to anyone seeking to remain anonymous is to stop reposting those posts that identify you with transparently false denials.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,118
    BBC News - Blackpool Airport suspends banner flights
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53152212
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    eadric said:

    Nigelb said:

    Ave_it said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    eadric said:

    American cases are surging, and have been for some time, especially in the South.

    And yet, deaths are still gently but steadily declining.

    I know "death" is a lagging indicator, but still. I am starting to wonder if the virus simply weakens, after a while. Or there is a hidden reservoir of healthy resistance.

    I think people become much more cautious and are aware of the risks.
    I have spoken with two people who I see regularly for beers. One is 70+ and the other is shielding. Neither will be rushing back to the pub.
    Which likely answers Sean's question about the apparent lower death rates in the US.
    Sigh. I am not SeanT.
    You do both appear to be married to the same woman from the evidence presented. 20something Corbynista, etc.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226
    eadric said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    eadric said:

    Re the previous thread's discussion of "offensive" Christian images: the amazing thing about the original tweet is that the tweeter is the infamous white guy who pretended to be black, to get ahead in identity politics/punditry

    Even though he has been exposed as a total fraud, it has worked for him. He has 1m Twitter followers

    Imagine telling yourself 20 years ago that in two decades we will have a worldwide discussion forum angrily debating whether we should remove all images of Jesus and the Blessed Virgin, tear down all statues and smash all windows, because they embody white supremacy, and that debate will be led by a white man who rose to fame my pretending he was black and many people believed him even though he is clearly white.

    Right now, it's one of the best ways to get attention from both sides.

    If you're a narcissist, why wouldn't you give it a go?
    This is why iconoclastic political convulsions are so dangerous: the pioneers at the frontline have to be evermore outrageous to maintain their first-rank status, so you go from guillotining the French king, to guillotining all French nobles to guillotining absolutely anyone who is denounced by anyone else, until the guillotiners themselves get the chop.

    Similarly, we have gone from toppling one slave trader statue in Bristol to banning sitcoms and movies, removing windows and murals, defacing depictions of national heroes, and now a suggestion that we literally smash Christian icons - IN ABOUT THREE WEEKS.

    It will burn out, of course. But it could get nasty interim
    Here's a very confident prediction from me -

    The "revolution" will go considerably further on Twitter and Facebook and in the animated extrapolation of internet chatrooms than it will in the more prosaic arena of the physical world.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    eadric said:

    Ave_it said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    eadric said:

    American cases are surging, and have been for some time, especially in the South.

    And yet, deaths are still gently but steadily declining.

    I know "death" is a lagging indicator, but still. I am starting to wonder if the virus simply weakens, after a while. Or there is a hidden reservoir of healthy resistance.

    I think people become much more cautious and are aware of the risks.
    I have spoken with two people who I see regularly for beers. One is 70+ and the other is shielding. Neither will be rushing back to the pub.
    Under 30s are gagging for it, tho
    2 mates in their late 50's are gagging for it.

    One son is gagging for it , but he has a different rationale - drinkers pay his bills :-)
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    re - identities

    tim, meanwhile, is spinning in his twitter feed...
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    BBC News - Blackpool Airport suspends banner flights
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53152212

    Free speech as long as you agree with us.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862
    Floater said:

    DavidL said:

    My daughter and her entire team have just been paid off by Tesco's who seem to have decided that they need fewer people to cope with home deliveries. Quite a few jobs lost.

    She's pretty gutted. It was only ever going to be a stepping stone for her but it has kept her busy and put some money in the bank. Even lockdowns had some upsides.

    My son had been doing a similar thing at another store chain.

    He was on a zero hours contract but had been verbally promised a permanent contract with guaranteed hours.

    Then he ended up having an operation and 3 weeks recovery - so they let him go.

    He is philosophical, I am less so.
    Yes, the job market is a pretty tough place to be at the moment, especially at the bottom end.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    edited June 2020
    eadric said:

    IanB2 said:

    eadric said:

    Nigelb said:

    eadric said:

    Nigelb said:

    Ave_it said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    eadric said:

    American cases are surging, and have been for some time, especially in the South.

    And yet, deaths are still gently but steadily declining.

    I know "death" is a lagging indicator, but still. I am starting to wonder if the virus simply weakens, after a while. Or there is a hidden reservoir of healthy resistance.

    I think people become much more cautious and are aware of the risks.
    I have spoken with two people who I see regularly for beers. One is 70+ and the other is shielding. Neither will be rushing back to the pub.
    Which likely answers Sean's question about the apparent lower death rates in the US.
    Sigh. I am not SeanT.
    Did I say you were ?
    You implied it, and, to be honest, it is getting boring. Trying to identify or misidentify people on a site who clearly prefer to be anonymous is simply bad manners, and it puts people off contributing in the end. Stop, please. Thanks
    Best advice to anyone seeking to remain anonymous is to stop reposting those posts that identify you with transparently false denials.
    Whatever. I asked nicely. Please stop now. Thanks
    People will stop challenging you if you stop denying (and hence reposting) the obvious. Just ignore it, like they told you at school.

    Further relevant advice would be:

    - stick to discussing the politics, not your personal life
    - respect social norms and avoid using aspired for anonymity to post crap up on the net.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    TOPPING said:

    re - identities

    tim, meanwhile, is spinning in his twitter feed...

    Who is he hating today? tories, women or trots?
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    Casino_Royale said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Fpt

    Casino_Royale said:


    Or, in your case, an orange man.

    I know one of your barely informed Scotch hobbyhorses is use of the term 'Loyalist'. I'm sad to report that it appears now to be almost universally accepted by the Scottish media. Time for you to write some stiff letters, though I'd suggest avoiding green ink if only to avoid confusion.

    https://tinyurl.com/y7eg7dkj
    Nope, that's your language.

    And I've pulled you up on it many times.
    What's so wrong with it that it needs you to police its use?
    I don't think importing sectarian language from NI into the debate on the future of Scotland's place in the Union is healthy.

    In fact, I think it's rather nasty.
    It's not a recent import from the Six Counties. It's been in Scottish political argot for well over a century.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,999
    eadric said:

    Nigelb said:

    eadric said:

    Nigelb said:

    Ave_it said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    eadric said:

    American cases are surging, and have been for some time, especially in the South.

    And yet, deaths are still gently but steadily declining.

    I know "death" is a lagging indicator, but still. I am starting to wonder if the virus simply weakens, after a while. Or there is a hidden reservoir of healthy resistance.

    I think people become much more cautious and are aware of the risks.
    I have spoken with two people who I see regularly for beers. One is 70+ and the other is shielding. Neither will be rushing back to the pub.
    Which likely answers Sean's question about the apparent lower death rates in the US.
    Sigh. I am not SeanT.
    Did I say you were ?
    You implied it, and, to be honest, it is getting boring. Trying to identify or misidentify people on a site who clearly prefer to be anonymous is simply bad manners, and it puts people off contributing in the end. Stop, please. Thanks
    The evidence suggests it definitely doesn't stop people contributing, quite the reverse.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    So lockdown effectively ends on 4th July with the exception of going to gyms, nightclubs or swimming pools, though you still need to keep at least 1 metres from others outside your household and will be encouraged still to WFH if you can

    What's the technique for hairdressers to follow the 1m + guideline?
    Selfie stick
    And use of a strimmer.
    That would work. Or the long handled shears you can get to trim the edge of lawns
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    eadric said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    eadric said:

    Nigelb said:

    Ave_it said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    eadric said:

    American cases are surging, and have been for some time, especially in the South.

    And yet, deaths are still gently but steadily declining.

    I know "death" is a lagging indicator, but still. I am starting to wonder if the virus simply weakens, after a while. Or there is a hidden reservoir of healthy resistance.

    I think people become much more cautious and are aware of the risks.
    I have spoken with two people who I see regularly for beers. One is 70+ and the other is shielding. Neither will be rushing back to the pub.
    Which likely answers Sean's question about the apparent lower death rates in the US.
    Sigh. I am not SeanT.
    You do both appear to be married to the same woman from the evidence presented. 20something Corbynista, etc.
    Fair enough, you are entitled to your thesis, I am merely and politely asking people to desist, as anonymity for contributors is valued on sites like these, and I doubt TSE and OGH want this site to become known for doxxing, misidentifying, and so forth.

    Please stop. Thanks.
    yeah and tim would agree with you 110%.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Dura_Ace said:

    eadric said:

    Nigelb said:

    Ave_it said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    eadric said:

    American cases are surging, and have been for some time, especially in the South.

    And yet, deaths are still gently but steadily declining.

    I know "death" is a lagging indicator, but still. I am starting to wonder if the virus simply weakens, after a while. Or there is a hidden reservoir of healthy resistance.

    I think people become much more cautious and are aware of the risks.
    I have spoken with two people who I see regularly for beers. One is 70+ and the other is shielding. Neither will be rushing back to the pub.
    Which likely answers Sean's question about the apparent lower death rates in the US.
    Sigh. I am not SeanT.
    You do both appear to be married to the same woman from the evidence presented. 20something Corbynista, etc.
    Both change their minds in a heart beat and are prone to depression and panic

    Both seem to visit the same foreign locales at the same time

    All just coincidences of course.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,466
    Dura_Ace said:

    eadric said:

    Nigelb said:

    Ave_it said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    eadric said:

    American cases are surging, and have been for some time, especially in the South.

    And yet, deaths are still gently but steadily declining.

    I know "death" is a lagging indicator, but still. I am starting to wonder if the virus simply weakens, after a while. Or there is a hidden reservoir of healthy resistance.

    I think people become much more cautious and are aware of the risks.
    I have spoken with two people who I see regularly for beers. One is 70+ and the other is shielding. Neither will be rushing back to the pub.
    Which likely answers Sean's question about the apparent lower death rates in the US.
    Sigh. I am not SeanT.
    You do both appear to be married to the same woman from the evidence presented. 20something Corbynista, etc.
    There must be loads of those! I thought all 20 year old were Corbynistas? :)
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226
    eadric said:

    HYUFD said:

    eadric said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    eadric said:

    Re the previous thread's discussion of "offensive" Christian images: the amazing thing about the original tweet is that the tweeter is the infamous white guy who pretended to be black, to get ahead in identity politics/punditry

    Even though he has been exposed as a total fraud, it has worked for him. He has 1m Twitter followers

    Imagine telling yourself 20 years ago that in two decades we will have a worldwide discussion forum angrily debating whether we should remove all images of Jesus and the Blessed Virgin, tear down all statues and smash all windows, because they embody white supremacy, and that debate will be led by a white man who rose to fame my pretending he was black and many people believed him even though he is clearly white.

    Right now, it's one of the best ways to get attention from both sides.

    If you're a narcissist, why wouldn't you give it a go?
    This is why iconoclastic political convulsions are so dangerous: the pioneers at the frontline have to be evermore outrageous to maintain their first-rank status, so you go from guillotining the French king, to guillotining all French nobles to guillotining absolutely anyone who is denounced by anyone else, until the guillotiners themselves get the chop.

    Similarly, we have gone from toppling one slave trader statue in Bristol to banning sitcoms and movies, removing windows and murals, defacing depictions of national heroes, and now a suggestion that we literally smash Christian icons - IN ABOUT THREE WEEKS.

    It will burn out, of course. But it could get nasty interim

    And Trump has responded today

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1275379758021390336?s=20
    His grammar is so bad: "arrest anyone... with up to 10 years in prison"

    Also I am not sure how many of these statues & monuments are Federal property, so it may just be a kind of patriotic virtue-signalling. Might work, nonetheless
    It definitely IS virtue signalling (if one allows the sentiments as a virtue). And if it isn't there's a problem - since he appears to be dispensing with the trial stage and going straight for the 10 years of stir. This would be an astonishingly radical reform that surely needs Congress to sign off on at the very least.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    edited June 2020
    eadric said:

    IanB2 said:

    eadric said:

    IanB2 said:

    eadric said:

    Nigelb said:

    eadric said:

    Nigelb said:

    Ave_it said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    eadric said:

    American cases are surging, and have been for some time, especially in the South.

    And yet, deaths are still gently but steadily declining.

    I know "death" is a lagging indicator, but still. I am starting to wonder if the virus simply weakens, after a while. Or there is a hidden reservoir of healthy resistance.

    I think people become much more cautious and are aware of the risks.
    I have spoken with two people who I see regularly for beers. One is 70+ and the other is shielding. Neither will be rushing back to the pub.
    Which likely answers Sean's question about the apparent lower death rates in the US.
    Sigh. I am not SeanT.
    Did I say you were ?
    You implied it, and, to be honest, it is getting boring. Trying to identify or misidentify people on a site who clearly prefer to be anonymous is simply bad manners, and it puts people off contributing in the end. Stop, please. Thanks
    Best advice to anyone seeking to remain anonymous is to stop reposting those posts that identify you with transparently false denials.
    Whatever. I asked nicely. Please stop now. Thanks
    People will stop challenging you if you stop denying (and hence reposting) the obvious. Just ignore it, like they told you at school.
    I am not SeanT. Now please stop. Thanks.
    PB’ers prefer posters who are honest or, failing that, silent.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,405
    eadric said:

    IanB2 said:

    eadric said:

    IanB2 said:

    eadric said:

    Nigelb said:

    eadric said:

    Nigelb said:

    Ave_it said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    eadric said:

    American cases are surging, and have been for some time, especially in the South.

    And yet, deaths are still gently but steadily declining.

    I know "death" is a lagging indicator, but still. I am starting to wonder if the virus simply weakens, after a while. Or there is a hidden reservoir of healthy resistance.

    I think people become much more cautious and are aware of the risks.
    I have spoken with two people who I see regularly for beers. One is 70+ and the other is shielding. Neither will be rushing back to the pub.
    Which likely answers Sean's question about the apparent lower death rates in the US.
    Sigh. I am not SeanT.
    Did I say you were ?
    You implied it, and, to be honest, it is getting boring. Trying to identify or misidentify people on a site who clearly prefer to be anonymous is simply bad manners, and it puts people off contributing in the end. Stop, please. Thanks
    Best advice to anyone seeking to remain anonymous is to stop reposting those posts that identify you with transparently false denials.
    Whatever. I asked nicely. Please stop now. Thanks
    People will stop challenging you if you stop denying (and hence reposting) the obvious. Just ignore it, like they told you at school.
    I am not SeanT. Now please stop. Thanks.
    So why did SeanT make a brief appearance while your account was banned and disappeared on your return?
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    I miss SeanT :lol:
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,118
    edited June 2020
    I notice Hollywood is busy with its double standards in the culture war. Last year, Kevin Hart got thrown under the bus for a dodgy tweet, but they are busy protecting Jimmy Kimmel over his use of black face character, repeated use of the n word and laughing at story of sexual exploitation.

    And of course they will preach to the rest of the world how bigoted and racist everybody else is...
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,902
    The LibDem leadership contest looks interesting. Three very different candidates offering different directions:

    Lalya "don't slap me" Morgan wants to tack to the left of what she assumes will be a pretty centrist Labour Party. Even if they were that would put the LibDems way off to the left. And as I suspect Starmer isn't as centre line as imagined then its a loooong way left. I like Layla, but she assaulted her partner and has a glorious air of odd about her.

    Wera Hobhouse. Ex-Rochdale (marks off at the start) wants a clean break from the Coalition years and restart as a centre left party. Lots of pro-EU pro-PR stuff. Red meat to the Social Democrat wing of the party but the least convincing leadership candidate you can imagine

    Ed Davey. Took on the Tories and won. Offers vision experience and leadership, and wants to spend £lots on a green revolution to "build back better" after the pandemic. For me the most convincing of the three by a long way - using the coalition as a selling point makes sense. 'All the good things done in government? Done by the LibDems. All the bad things? That was the Tories and think how bad it would have been if we hadn't been there to fight them'

    I'm certainly back in the LibDem camp now that my mental challenges from lockdown are behind me. Question is do I wait and see who wins the contest (not worth it if Vera Carboard Box wins) or rejoin to vote for Davey?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226
    Ave_it said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    eadric said:

    American cases are surging, and have been for some time, especially in the South.

    And yet, deaths are still gently but steadily declining.

    I know "death" is a lagging indicator, but still. I am starting to wonder if the virus simply weakens, after a while. Or there is a hidden reservoir of healthy resistance.

    I think people become much more cautious and are aware of the risks.
    I have spoken with two people who I see regularly for beers. One is 70+ and the other is shielding. Neither will be rushing back to the pub.
    Where does that leave you then? Looking for a game of cribbage?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    https://twitter.com/jasonomahony/status/1275329522720743424?s=20
    https://twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/1275414066039832578?s=20
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226
    TOPPING said:

    RobD said:

    TOPPING said:

    As for Djoko, what's the problem?

    As long as he doesn't go and hug his great-grandmother (and even if he does, he and she would be aware of the risk) - he and the fellow competitors at that tournament are in the essentially zero risk category.

    Why shouldn't they play tennis together?

    Because of the people who are asymptomatic and go on to hug their great-grandmother, perhaps? :p
    I have just played in a tennis tournament and been in close proximity to many others. I'd better be careful...

    No?
    Hope you didn't play Novak?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,118
    edited June 2020
    I see after 3 shooting in da CHOP, the useless seattle mayor has decided that perhaps they should reclaim the area from the local warlords.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,482
    edited June 2020
    williamglenn said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Fpt

    Casino_Royale said:


    Or, in your case, an orange man.

    I know one of your barely informed Scotch hobbyhorses is use of the term 'Loyalist'. I'm sad to report that it appears now to be almost universally accepted by the Scottish media. Time for you to write some stiff letters, though I'd suggest avoiding green ink if only to avoid confusion.

    https://tinyurl.com/y7eg7dkj
    Nope, that's your language.

    And I've pulled you up on it many times.
    Checks notes.

    Also the language of the BBC, Daily Mail, The Sun, Daily Record, The Scotsman, The Herald etc.

    I'll downgrade you to completely uninformed shall I?
    You happily conflate Unionist and Loyalist freely, because it suits your agenda.

    It's the only way you can rationalise your bitter world view.
    TUD is one of the sensible nats we have here, but there's are certain dark place you must nurture to be a nationalist. You have to keep perceiving insult, subjugation, dismissiveness, you have to magnify differences and gloss over commonalities. If you stopped doing all that stuff, you'd stop caring about 'the cause'.
    Is that why you're a nationalist?
    I'm not a nationalist. I love continental Europe, lived there for three months, think Jean Claude Juncker is great. I wish the EU success if that's the way they want to go - I don't want to see its destruction (unless the population of the EU decides it's not what they want). I am European. I don't feel any less so now than I did before. Not all Leavers feel this way, but many more do than anyone gives credit for.

    As someone with a fair bit of experience of Scottish nationalism, I have never met any Scottish nationalist who wants England to succeed, post separation. That's not to say they're all bigots, of course they're not, most are wonderful people and a few I would count as good friends. But all, to a greater or lesser extent, have issues with England and the English, and these issues won't be resolved by independence, because it's an external solution to an internal problem.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    kinabalu said:

    Ave_it said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    eadric said:

    American cases are surging, and have been for some time, especially in the South.

    And yet, deaths are still gently but steadily declining.

    I know "death" is a lagging indicator, but still. I am starting to wonder if the virus simply weakens, after a while. Or there is a hidden reservoir of healthy resistance.

    I think people become much more cautious and are aware of the risks.
    I have spoken with two people who I see regularly for beers. One is 70+ and the other is shielding. Neither will be rushing back to the pub.
    Where does that leave you then? Looking for a game of cribbage?
    :lol:

    Fortunately I have other friends who will go to the pub. And the ones referred to previously will return - in due course.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    RobD said:

    TOPPING said:

    As for Djoko, what's the problem?

    As long as he doesn't go and hug his great-grandmother (and even if he does, he and she would be aware of the risk) - he and the fellow competitors at that tournament are in the essentially zero risk category.

    Why shouldn't they play tennis together?

    Because of the people who are asymptomatic and go on to hug their great-grandmother, perhaps? :p
    I have just played in a tennis tournament and been in close proximity to many others. I'd better be careful...

    No?
    Hope you didn't play Novak?
    Thrashed him. He couldn't cope with my infamous "pat ball" technique.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,653
    Brave call to reopen campsites. The shared spaces - toilets and wash fascilities especially - look guaranteed to be coronavirus hotspots.

    Looks like I'll be going to Cornwall in August, though. I wonder how the locals will react to the influx. There have been a lot of reports that they don't want anyone there.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status/1275423435997536257?s=20

    This is daft. It will miss 100% of those who have been infected during transit. It's been described as "Corona Theatre" and nothing to do with actually suppressing the disease.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    SouthamObserver said:

    Brave call to reopen campsites. The shared spaces - toilets and wash fascilities especially - look guaranteed to be coronavirus hotspots.

    Looks like I'll be going to Cornwall in August, though. I wonder how the locals will react to the influx. There have been a lot of reports that they don't want anyone there.

    Noted earlier.

    "STAY AWAY" to "COME ALL YE" is a tricky manoeuvre.

    @eek too I think is going or maybe not.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    As if WagGate wasn't providing enough demand for popcorn:

    https://twitter.com/KieranPAndrews/status/1275321109592883200?s=20
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,482
    eadric said:

    Nigelb said:

    eadric said:

    Nigelb said:

    Ave_it said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    eadric said:

    American cases are surging, and have been for some time, especially in the South.

    And yet, deaths are still gently but steadily declining.

    I know "death" is a lagging indicator, but still. I am starting to wonder if the virus simply weakens, after a while. Or there is a hidden reservoir of healthy resistance.

    I think people become much more cautious and are aware of the risks.
    I have spoken with two people who I see regularly for beers. One is 70+ and the other is shielding. Neither will be rushing back to the pub.
    Which likely answers Sean's question about the apparent lower death rates in the US.
    Sigh. I am not SeanT.
    Did I say you were ?
    You implied it, and, to be honest, it is getting boring. Trying to identify or misidentify people on a site who clearly prefer to be anonymous is simply bad manners, and it puts people off contributing in the end. Stop, please. Thanks
    Eadric isn't the one to make a stand on. You've practically owned up to Eadric - I thought you had. Mysticrose, some people still believe.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    RochdalePioneers said:

    The LibDem leadership contest looks interesting. Three very different candidates offering different directions:

    Lalya "don't slap me" Morgan wants to tack to the left of what she assumes will be a pretty centrist Labour Party. Even if they were that would put the LibDems way off to the left. And as I suspect Starmer isn't as centre line as imagined then its a loooong way left. I like Layla, but she assaulted her partner and has a glorious air of odd about her.

    Wera Hobhouse. Ex-Rochdale (marks off at the start) wants a clean break from the Coalition years and restart as a centre left party. Lots of pro-EU pro-PR stuff. Red meat to the Social Democrat wing of the party but the least convincing leadership candidate you can imagine

    Ed Davey. Took on the Tories and won. Offers vision experience and leadership, and wants to spend £lots on a green revolution to "build back better" after the pandemic. For me the most convincing of the three by a long way - using the coalition as a selling point makes sense. 'All the good things done in government? Done by the LibDems. All the bad things? That was the Tories and think how bad it would have been if we hadn't been there to fight them'

    I'm certainly back in the LibDem camp now that my mental challenges from lockdown are behind me. Question is do I wait and see who wins the contest (not worth it if Vera Carboard Box wins) or rejoin to vote for Davey?

    One wonders whether you are toying with returning to the LibDems simply because Labour wasn’t as overjoyed with your membership reapplication as you might have anticipated?

    Carry on like this and you won’t be welcome anywhere. The cost to a party of a defection is always higher than the benefit of one extra member.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,885
    edited June 2020
    Dura_Ace said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Fpt

    Casino_Royale said:


    Or, in your case, an orange man.

    I know one of your barely informed Scotch hobbyhorses is use of the term 'Loyalist'. I'm sad to report that it appears now to be almost universally accepted by the Scottish media. Time for you to write some stiff letters, though I'd suggest avoiding green ink if only to avoid confusion.

    https://tinyurl.com/y7eg7dkj
    Nope, that's your language.

    And I've pulled you up on it many times.
    What's so wrong with it that it needs you to police its use?
    I don't think importing sectarian language from NI into the debate on the future of Scotland's place in the Union is healthy.

    In fact, I think it's rather nasty.
    It's not a recent import from the Six Counties. It's been in Scottish political argot for well over a century.
    Indeed. Loyal Orange Lodge and all that. Complaining about it is a bit like blaming SNP supporters in the 2020s for importing those Gaelic (Scots and Irish respectively, IIRC) political objurgations "Whig" and "Tory".

    Also - there is a useful distinction between Unionists more generally and the Loyalists.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    edited June 2020
    eadric said:

    IanB2 said:

    eadric said:

    IanB2 said:

    eadric said:

    IanB2 said:

    eadric said:

    Nigelb said:

    eadric said:

    Nigelb said:

    Ave_it said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    eadric said:

    American cases are surging, and have been for some time, especially in the South.

    And yet, deaths are still gently but steadily declining.

    I know "death" is a lagging indicator, but still. I am starting to wonder if the virus simply weakens, after a while. Or there is a hidden reservoir of healthy resistance.

    I think people become much more cautious and are aware of the risks.
    I have spoken with two people who I see regularly for beers. One is 70+ and the other is shielding. Neither will be rushing back to the pub.
    Which likely answers Sean's question about the apparent lower death rates in the US.
    Sigh. I am not SeanT.
    Did I say you were ?
    You implied it, and, to be honest, it is getting boring. Trying to identify or misidentify people on a site who clearly prefer to be anonymous is simply bad manners, and it puts people off contributing in the end. Stop, please. Thanks
    Best advice to anyone seeking to remain anonymous is to stop reposting those posts that identify you with transparently false denials.
    Whatever. I asked nicely. Please stop now. Thanks
    People will stop challenging you if you stop denying (and hence reposting) the obvious. Just ignore it, like they told you at school.
    I am not SeanT. Now please stop. Thanks.
    PB’ers prefer posters who are honest or, failing that, silent.
    I must have missed the bit where you set up politicalbetting.com and established all the rules, and also the moment when you established a secret telepathic link to all the commenters so you could know what they all think at any given moment.

    If you want to knock yourself out, you pompous old bladder, why not have a poll of the commenters and lurkers, and see if they want people to cease commenting and remain silent, if they can't reveal their identities?
    Totally agree here. Can you join me in agreeing that all those who do out peoples' identities on PB as complete and utter c**ts?

    TIA
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,999
    edited June 2020
    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/jasonomahony/status/1275329522720743424?s=20
    https://twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/1275414066039832578?s=20

    https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1275033835152068609?s=20

    It would appear that all that bad stuff is now the ONLY way Trump can win. It's going to be horrific.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,118
    SouthamObserver said:

    Brave call to reopen campsites. The shared spaces - toilets and wash fascilities especially - look guaranteed to be coronavirus hotspots.

    Looks like I'll be going to Cornwall in August, though. I wonder how the locals will react to the influx. There have been a lot of reports that they don't want anyone there.

    I am happy to forego a summer vacation this year.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    eadric said:

    IanB2 said:

    eadric said:

    IanB2 said:

    eadric said:

    IanB2 said:

    eadric said:

    Nigelb said:

    eadric said:

    Nigelb said:

    Ave_it said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    eadric said:

    American cases are surging, and have been for some time, especially in the South.

    And yet, deaths are still gently but steadily declining.

    I know "death" is a lagging indicator, but still. I am starting to wonder if the virus simply weakens, after a while. Or there is a hidden reservoir of healthy resistance.

    I think people become much more cautious and are aware of the risks.
    I have spoken with two people who I see regularly for beers. One is 70+ and the other is shielding. Neither will be rushing back to the pub.
    Which likely answers Sean's question about the apparent lower death rates in the US.
    Sigh. I am not SeanT.
    Did I say you were ?
    You implied it, and, to be honest, it is getting boring. Trying to identify or misidentify people on a site who clearly prefer to be anonymous is simply bad manners, and it puts people off contributing in the end. Stop, please. Thanks
    Best advice to anyone seeking to remain anonymous is to stop reposting those posts that identify you with transparently false denials.
    Whatever. I asked nicely. Please stop now. Thanks
    People will stop challenging you if you stop denying (and hence reposting) the obvious. Just ignore it, like they told you at school.
    I am not SeanT. Now please stop. Thanks.
    PB’ers prefer posters who are honest or, failing that, silent.
    I must have missed the bit where you set up politicalbetting.com and established all the rules, and also the moment when you established a secret telepathic link to all the commenters so you could know what they all think at any given moment.

    If you want to knock yourself out, you pompous old bladder, why not have a poll of the commenters and lurkers, and see if they want people to cease commenting and remain silent, if they can't reveal their identities?

    Last week a fellow PB’er unprompted PM’d me the story of how you came to change your account name and why you are so keen to stay anonymous. So, crediting him with a truthful account, I have a tad more sympathy for you now than I would have done simply reading the endless crap you post up on this site.

    But - if his account is true - I remain surprised at how little effort you seem to make to help yourself.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,118
    So hands up, who is going to miss Prof Peston taking 5 minutes to ask a dumb question that is factually incorrect....
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Is it a "U-turn" when Nicola does it, or is that only Boris?

    https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1275423556587921413?s=20
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