Some people are even bigger partisan bell-ends than you could ever imagine. Some clearly would literally be cheering on Hitler in the WWII, given some of his socialist policies.
And you compare that to the real grown-ups like Dougie Alexander who used to run the Labour Party.
In fairness, that seems just a little unlikely given Hitler attacked the unambiguously socialist USSR.
I will admit Oswald Mosley as an ex-Labour minister and John Beckett as an ex-Labour MP were dazzling exceptions.
The Communist Party of Great Britain (at least) was dead in favour of the Nazi-Soviet pact until, you know, the whole Operation Barbarossa thing. Until then it campaiged for peace, and described the war as the product of imperialism on both sides, in which the working class had no side to take
That’s one-third of the war. Admittedly the most difficult third.
Some people are even bigger partisan bell-ends than you could ever imagine. Some clearly would literally be cheering on Hitler in the WWII, given some of his socialist policies.
And you compare that to the real grown-ups like Dougie Alexander who used to run the Labour Party.
Alexander is a fanny among fannies, one of the most useless politicians ever to emanate from Scotland, apart from a long list that include Robertson , Murray , Brown , Galloway, ............. losing the will to live now I could be here for months.
Must be spring. Solar energy has topped 20% of supply for the first time in a while. Indeed, coupled with the strong winds, low demand and high water flows, nearly 60% of electricity is being generated from non-carbon or nuclear sources, helped somewhat by lowered demand.
62% if you include hydro and biomass. We are sending energy to France at the moment as well.
The bastards. They stay at home, they take all our energy...
Some people are even bigger partisan bell-ends than you could ever imagine. Some clearly would literally be cheering on Hitler in the WWII, given some of his socialist policies.
And you compare that to the real grown-ups like Dougie Alexander who used to run the Labour Party.
Alexander is a fanny among fannies, one of the most useless politicians ever to emanate from Scotland, apart from a long list that include Robertson , Murray , Brown , Galloway, ............. losing the will to live now I could be here for months.
You must be able to write your list of people who you think are ok on the back of a postage stamp.
Clear message today, stop being self centred tw@ts you inconsiderate arseholes who are hoarding food...
Message is one thing, let's have action. Nationwide limit of two purchases per item, strictly enforced shopping hours for older people and key workers, reserving delivery slots for older people and key workers etc...
Just telling the selfish c**** hey are selfish c**** won't solve the problem, they already know they are and don't care.
Question: my hairdresser closed yesterday - not because the government told them to, but voluntarily. Am I correct that they won`t be able to access the 80% of salary deal for the employees because they closed voluntarily?
I would think they will. Perhaps they closed BECAUSE of the package even?
I haven`t asked, but I suspect that is correct, i.e. they closed because of the deal thinking they would qualify. So, do you think that the gov package covers all businesses that voluntarily pause trading because of the virus? Any business?
There's a duty of care/health and safety aspect to consider. Just because you don't have to close doesn't mean there are not other very good reasons to do so.
Clear message today, stop being self centred tw@ts you inconsiderate arseholes who are hoarding food...
Message is one thing, let's have action. Nationwide limit of two purchases per item, strictly enforced shopping hours for older people and key workers, reserving delivery slots for older people and key workers etc...
Just telling the selfish c**** hey are selfish c**** won't solve the problem, they already know they are and don't care.
Clear message today, stop being self centred tw@ts you inconsiderate arseholes who are hoarding food...
Message is one thing, let's have action. Nationwide limit of two purchases per item, strictly enforced shopping hours for older people and key workers, reserving delivery slots for older people and key workers etc...
Just telling the selfish c**** hey are selfish c**** won't solve the problem, they already know they are and don't care.
Most things are already limited to three per customer I believe?
Question: my hairdresser closed yesterday - not because the government told them to, but voluntarily. Am I correct that they won`t be able to access the 80% of salary deal for the employees because they closed voluntarily?
I would think they will. Perhaps they closed BECAUSE of the package even?
I haven`t asked, but I suspect that is correct, i.e. they closed because of the deal thinking they would qualify. So, do you think that the gov package covers all businesses that voluntarily pause trading because of the virus? Any business?
There's a duty of care/health and safety aspect to consider. Just because you don't have to close doesn't mean there are not other very good reasons to do so.
I`ve been off line for a bit. Did we find out who JM1 is?
And when was the last time we heard from our resident doomsday merchant. I presume he hasn't got an internet access in his nuclear bomb shelter.
Oh, you suspect JM1 is SeanT?
No, just saying, we haven't heard from Mr Doomsday.
Presumably because, despite having spun us all the yarn of having had the virus, he is now holed up in some Cornish shack with his family petrified of still getting it.
I don`t understand being petrified of getting the virus, assuming you are under 70 and in good health. I`m not worried. Not even slightly.
(If I suddenly stop posting please disregard the above post.)
I don't know how old you are, but unless you are under 20 you should be very concerned. The rates of hospitalization of people even in their 40s is significant, the difference with them compared to the oldies is that with the correct treatment most will to make it through.
I`m 55 and fit as fuck
Makes little difference. Young fit people are getting hospitalised with serious pneumonia
According to the Italian Institute of Health's latest report over 99% of deaths in Italy are from people with one or more pre-existing conditions.
Fit people are not immune, but they are also very very unlikely to die.
The scaremongering in the media about this is more designed to get people to take isolation seriously than any likelihood of hordes of fit young people dying.
Are the EU really banning part of the Chancellors rescue package?
Interesting move.
What is this?
It seems to be a nonsense story briefed to the Times in order to stir up some anti-EU feeling.
Entirely predictable I'm afraid. The Brexit evangelists are nothing if not exhibitionists. They'll feel that the virus crisis has stolen their limelight and are desperate to be centre of attention again.
Then provide a link to denial of the story
If true it a devastating own goal and will see any support for the EU collapse
Dear oh dear.
Please provide the denial then the issue is dealt with
The story doesn't make sense in its own terms because it says that "selective tax advantages" will be allowed.
Selective tax advantages up to Eur 800K per company.
But Rishi's proposal is > Eur 800K for the biggest companies. (It is defined as selective because it only applies to some sectors)
So it is therefore outwith the rules, unless you limit the benefit to the big hotels and airlines.
It would be nice to see a link to this story, as I said before, I have the times hard copy and it isn't there.
Have we stopped to ask why we would want to give big companies and chains more than that in the first place? The crisis is for the little guy, right now.
Companies like BA and the railways can be nationalised, as an alternative.
Because if they go under it has a bigger impact on the economy.
Which large companies that it wouldn’t be possible to nationalise are about to go under despite a cash grant from the government of almost a £million?
Of course you could nationalise them. But that will take time, especially for public companies.
It's quicker and simpler to put the rules in place for everyone and move on.
Take for example a hotel company. Their revenues have dried up. The government is covering the cost of 80% of wages so they can keep staff on. But they still have landlords and there will be significant loans against the properties. So the government gives them a break on tax to prevent a knock on impact on the banks (because if the banks lock up then there are real problems)
I`ve been off line for a bit. Did we find out who JM1 is?
And when was the last time we heard from our resident doomsday merchant. I presume he hasn't got an internet access in his nuclear bomb shelter.
Oh, you suspect JM1 is SeanT?
No, just saying, we haven't heard from Mr Doomsday.
Presumably because, despite having spun us all the yarn of having had the virus, he is now holed up in some Cornish shack with his family petrified of still getting it.
I don`t understand being petrified of getting the virus, assuming you are under 70 and in good health. I`m not worried. Not even slightly.
(If I suddenly stop posting please disregard the above post.)
I don't know how old you are, but unless you are under 20 you should be very concerned. The rates of hospitalization of people even in their 40s is significant, the difference with them compared to the oldies is that with the correct treatment most will to make it through.
I`m 55 and fit as fuck
Makes little difference. Young fit people are getting hospitalised with serious pneumonia
According to the Italian Institute of Health's latest report over 99% of deaths in Italy are from people with one or more pre-existing conditions.
Fit people are not immune, but they are also very very unlikely to die.
The scaremongering in the media about this is more designed to get people to take isolation seriously than any likelihood of hordes of fit young people dying.
It isn't about just death, it is the numbers requiring hospitalisation. Even among the under 50s, it is significant. And if you need to be in hospital due to severe pneumonia, that is still really serious and can be life threatening without proper treatment....and if the system crashes more of these people won't get the required attention (or we have to let even more oldies die).
I haven't seen anyone mention this yet but, erm, millenials being asked to behave in order to save boomers and gammons might stick in the throat somewhat.
They might reasonably point out that the oldies screwed this country over with Brexit.
So the fact that most of them are so gracious is testament to what a fabulous generation they are. I mean it. The shits are the likes of Peter Hitchens and Piers Morgan.
What an idiot you are. Milleniums screwed themselves over Brexit by not bothering to vote. Stop trying to sow discord with your miserable dreary efforts to politicise everything.
Milleniums are a bunch of whining lazy no mark woke losers, wanting everything for nothing.
Do you like anyone?
Certainly not whining jessies of which the UK is full of. I long for the days when men were men and beer was 2 bob a pint.
Clear message today, stop being self centred tw@ts you inconsiderate arseholes who are hoarding food...
I think you'll find that most people on this forum have at least little more food stocked than they normally would. It's only human to buy a little more when you notice shortages. And if everyone buys a little more, it disrupts the supply chain and you get empty shelves. Rinse and repeat.
At some point, hopefully in the near future, the supermarkets will be able to keep the shelves filled for long enough to convince people that there is no shortage, and the cycle will be broken.
According to the Italian Institute of Health's latest report over 99% of deaths in Italy are from people with one or more pre-existing conditions.
Fit people are not immune, but they are also very very unlikely to die.
The scaremongering in the media about this is more designed to get people to take isolation seriously than any likelihood of hordes of fit young people dying.
The are only very very unlikely to die if the demand on the health service is within capacity. If the demand exceeds capacity it will be more like veryvery unlikely to die.
Some people are even bigger partisan bell-ends than you could ever imagine. Some clearly would literally be cheering on Hitler in the WWII, given some of his socialist policies.
And you compare that to the real grown-ups like Dougie Alexander who used to run the Labour Party.
Alexander is a fanny among fannies, one of the most useless politicians ever to emanate from Scotland, apart from a long list that include Robertson , Murray , Brown , Galloway, ............. losing the will to live now I could be here for months.
You must be able to write your list of people who you think are ok on the back of a postage stamp.
And dickhead question...well this one doctor says he thinks loss of smell might also be a symptom, what do you think?
FFS, that just confuses things even more. KISS, its a fever and an uncontrollable dry cough in basically everybody who shows symptoms. All the other stuff, yes it might help medical professionals diagnose this, but Dave sitting at home in his PJs feeling shit, doesn't help.
I`ve been off line for a bit. Did we find out who JM1 is?
And when was the last time we heard from our resident doomsday merchant. I presume he hasn't got an internet access in his nuclear bomb shelter.
Oh, you suspect JM1 is SeanT?
No, just saying, we haven't heard from Mr Doomsday.
Presumably because, despite having spun us all the yarn of having had the virus, he is now holed up in some Cornish shack with his family petrified of still getting it.
I don`t understand being petrified of getting the virus, assuming you are under 70 and in good health. I`m not worried. Not even slightly.
(If I suddenly stop posting please disregard the above post.)
I don't know how old you are, but unless you are under 20 you should be very concerned. The rates of hospitalization of people even in their 40s is significant, the difference with them compared to the oldies is that with the correct treatment most will to make it through.
I`m 55 and fit as fuck
Makes little difference. Young fit people are getting hospitalised with serious pneumonia
According to the Italian Institute of Health's latest report over 99% of deaths in Italy are from people with one or more pre-existing conditions.
Fit people are not immune, but they are also very very unlikely to die.
The scaremongering in the media about this is more designed to get people to take isolation seriously than any likelihood of hordes of fit young people dying.
That's not true about Italy. In fact reports are saying the opposite.
It's not scaremongering. But if it helps you to cling to the dying vestiges of normalcy bias I'm not going to debunk your myth.
It's coming folks and it's about to get a whole heap worse.
To be fair to Stelios (not a sentence I thought I would ever write) he quite EasyJet's board a decade ago and isn't involved in management. He's just a big shareholder.
edit: the CEO is also correct in that once the dividend has been approved by the AGM he needs a shareholder vote to waive it - it is very difficult and he legally can't stop it independently. There are a lot of companies suspending dividends and building balance sheets at the moment
The scaremongering in the media about this is more designed to get people to take isolation seriously than any likelihood of hordes of fit young people dying.
It isn't about just death, it is the numbers requiring hospitalisation. Even among the under 50s, it is significant. And if you need to be in hospital due to severe pneumonia, that is still really serious and can be life threatening without proper treatment....and if the system crashes more of these people won't get the required attention (or we have to let even more oldies die).
Yes, and ifwe fill the hospitals with people who don't quite die and gradually recover, it'll block them for all the people requiring urgent treatment for completely unrelated things. If you could guarantee that you'd just havea cough at home, it'd be a matter of choice whether you took risks or not. But,as Boris observed, you can't guarantee it.
I'd honestly love for the EU to start proceedings against the government for breaching state aid rules. I very much doubt they will though.
Why would you love that?
(Agreed that there is no chance of it.)
My guess is that he would love that because it would reveal the ugly truth about the EU.
In fact I can authoritatively confirm that "blowing a big hole in Richie's rescue plan" was only the first step, over the weekend we, the Fourth Reich, will indeed confiscate the Bank of England, take all your money and use it to fund the enforced resettlement of 135 million "migrants" (most of them CV infected) to Kent, Surrey and Buckinghamshire, to further our aim of race replacement of the British white working class. And there is f* all you can do about it.
Clear message today, stop being self centred tw@ts you inconsiderate arseholes who are hoarding food...
Message is one thing, let's have action. Nationwide limit of two purchases per item, strictly enforced shopping hours for older people and key workers, reserving delivery slots for older people and key workers etc...
Just telling the selfish c**** hey are selfish c**** won't solve the problem, they already know they are and don't care.
Most things are already limited to three per customer I believe?
Time to lower that limit and make it enforceable by government order. My sister went to get baby formula today and said some arsehole was arguing with the lady behind the till "oh it's only 4 items" holding everyone else up for ages. This is happening everywhere. Personally I'm in favour of a ration card per household, two purchases per item per week. That will teach the c****.
Clear message today, stop being self centred tw@ts you inconsiderate arseholes who are hoarding food...
Message is one thing, let's have action. Nationwide limit of two purchases per item, strictly enforced shopping hours for older people and key workers, reserving delivery slots for older people and key workers etc...
Just telling the selfish c**** hey are selfish c**** won't solve the problem, they already know they are and don't care.
Most things are already limited to three per customer I believe?
Well exactly. Those who have convinced themselves that the empty shelves are caused solely by a hoard of selfish twats simply haven't thought the situation through properly. Limiting purchases does little to solve the problem. It will sort itself out once the feedback cycle is broken, and suddenly the shelves will be full again, aside from things for which demand really has rocketed, like hand sanitizer.
I'd honestly love for the EU to start proceedings against the government for breaching state aid rules. I very much doubt they will though.
Why would you love that?
(Agreed that there is no chance of it.)
My guess is that he would love that because it would reveal the ugly truth about the EU.
In fact I can authoritatively confirm that "blowing a big hole in Richie's rescue plan" was only the first step, over the weekend we, the Fourth Reich, will indeed confiscate the Bank of England, take all your money and use it to fund the enforced resettlement of 135 million "migrants" (most of them CV infected) to Kent, Surrey and Buckinghamshire, to further our aim of race replacement of the British white working class. And there is f* all you can do about it.
Brilliant, just about sums up what your average Brexiteer on here thinks the EU is planning every waking minute of every day.
According to the Italian Institute of Health's latest report over 99% of deaths in Italy are from people with one or more pre-existing conditions.
Fit people are not immune, but they are also very very unlikely to die.
The scaremongering in the media about this is more designed to get people to take isolation seriously than any likelihood of hordes of fit young people dying.
The are only very very unlikely to die if the demand on the health service is within capacity. If the demand exceeds capacity it will be more like veryvery unlikely to die.
Wuhan was overwhelmed and still the fraction of deaths by age was not much different, so no.
(You can argue about the accuracy of the Chinese figures but the deaths of healthy young people are the least likely to be undercounted so if anything the Chinese figures are an upper bound)
To be fair to Stelios (not a sentence I thought I would ever write) he quite EasyJet's board a decade ago and isn't involved in management. He's just a big shareholder.
edit: the CEO is also correct in that once the dividend has been approved by the AGM he needs a shareholder vote to waive it - it is very difficult and he legally can't stop it independently. There are a lot of companies suspending dividends and building balance sheets at the moment
It's quite simple, if easyJet needs money then they can go and get £60m from their shareholders. Make any government support contingent on shareholder capital input. Or on the other hand, dilute Stelios completey if he doesn't comply. Leave him with 0.01%.
According to the Italian Institute of Health's latest report over 99% of deaths in Italy are from people with one or more pre-existing conditions.
Fit people are not immune, but they are also very very unlikely to die.
The scaremongering in the media about this is more designed to get people to take isolation seriously than any likelihood of hordes of fit young people dying.
The are only very very unlikely to die if the demand on the health service is within capacity. If the demand exceeds capacity it will be more like veryvery unlikely to die.
Wuhan was overwhelmed and still the fraction of deaths by age was not much different, so no.
I saw someone walking through the streets the other day with a nine-pack of toilet rolls, and I laughed at myself because my brain noticed it. I think it's just down to perceived scarcity. This is the new Tulip Bubble.
"Britain. A nation of shopfighters, presided over at a time of mortal peril by a newspaper columnist, who has for three decades moonlighted as his generation’s leading liar. Still, as the words clawed into the side of the plague pit probably once read, “We are where we are.” "
...
"The government’s crisis communications strategy could not be going worse if it was being led by the last speaker of a dead language, with Typhoid Mary on bass."
Clear message today, stop being self centred tw@ts you inconsiderate arseholes who are hoarding food...
Message is one thing, let's have action. Nationwide limit of two purchases per item, strictly enforced shopping hours for older people and key workers, reserving delivery slots for older people and key workers etc...
Just telling the selfish c**** hey are selfish c**** won't solve the problem, they already know they are and don't care.
Most things are already limited to three per customer I believe?
Time to lower that limit and make it enforceable by government order. My sister went to get baby formula today and said some arsehole was arguing with the lady behind the till "oh it's only 4 items" holding everyone else up for ages. This is happening everywhere. Personally I'm in favour of a ration card per household, two purchases per item per week. That will teach the c****.
Cattle prods for checkout operators, anyone that comes up with more than two of anything gets a quick prod, each item
According to the Italian Institute of Health's latest report over 99% of deaths in Italy are from people with one or more pre-existing conditions.
Fit people are not immune, but they are also very very unlikely to die.
The scaremongering in the media about this is more designed to get people to take isolation seriously than any likelihood of hordes of fit young people dying.
The are only very very unlikely to die if the demand on the health service is within capacity. If the demand exceeds capacity it will be more like veryvery unlikely to die.
Wuhan was overwhelmed and still the fraction of deaths by age was not much different, so no.
You believe the Chinese official figures...
See my edit, the fraction of young people dying in overstretched Italian hospitals is similar to the figures from Wuhan, so it seems like at least in this respect they are fairly accurate.
Clear message today, stop being self centred tw@ts you inconsiderate arseholes who are hoarding food...
Message is one thing, let's have action. Nationwide limit of two purchases per item, strictly enforced shopping hours for older people and key workers, reserving delivery slots for older people and key workers etc...
Just telling the selfish c**** hey are selfish c**** won't solve the problem, they already know they are and don't care.
Most things are already limited to three per customer I believe?
Time to lower that limit and make it enforceable by government order. My sister went to get baby formula today and said some arsehole was arguing with the lady behind the till "oh it's only 4 items" holding everyone else up for ages. This is happening everywhere. Personally I'm in favour of a ration card per household, two purchases per item per week. That will teach the c****.
Cattle prods for checkout operators, anyone that comes up with more than two of anything gets a quick prod, each item
"Britain. A nation of shopfighters, presided over at a time of mortal peril by a newspaper columnist, who has for three decades moonlighted as his generation’s leading liar. Still, as the words clawed into the side of the plague pit probably once read, “We are where we are.” "
...
"The government’s crisis communications strategy could not be going worse if it was being led by the last speaker of a dead language, with Typhoid Mary on bass."
Time and again this week I have been reminded of that great line from last year’s Chernobyl drama series. “When the truth offends, we lie and lie until we can no longer remember it is even there. But it is still there. Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later, that debt is paid.”
This whole thing could have second waves, and other countries getting their peaks later, and countries will want to limit movement for long after until it becomes part of the psyche. This morning I'm wondering which will be the first party to come up with a "progressive" low-immigration policy. People won't be moving about for a long time after this. You could come up with a Greta Thunberg argument or something that a smaller, more local world is more environmentally friendly.
If restricting the movement of people is the aim, focusing on reducing tourism and business travel would have more relevance.
And travel to visit family. But also, this is what pandemics do - they make people more anti-immigration. People are going to get used to controlling borders. One thing that's amusing me about all this is that people that were previously remainers have often been very vocal about shutting the country down and restricting movement, and going WHY haven't we closed all the schools and shut down all the flights YESTERDAY? This will impact our minds long-term I think. It's not about aims, it's about outcomes.
Restricting the kind of movement that spreads pandemics also means things like reducing commuting. Political borders and migration are a very minor aspect of it.
Do you think the long-term response in the USA will be restrictions on movement between states?
I'm not talking about the general public surviving a pandemic with long periods of lockdown and many deaths, getting their calculators out and working out their new moral aesthetics through accountancy. We're controlling our borders now, some of the demands for the most strict measures are coming from people who were most ardently Remain to the point of wanting a People's Vote, and psychologically fears of infection are linked to desire for lower immigration.
I'm not making a moral claim there as to whether it's a bad thing to want lower immigration because there's some psychological reasons behind it btw. I also think that after this, everyone will want a smaller simpler world. Which is maybe what people wanted when they voted for Brexit.
QUICK EDIT: For clarity, "No" to the thing about the states.
It's not immigration that has been spreading this virus; it's air travel and cruises.
It's not a point about rationality, it's about human psychology. Like the urge to ask the Prime Minister, personally, "Can I visit my mum on mothers day?" People are predictably nuts.
I'd honestly love for the EU to start proceedings against the government for breaching state aid rules. I very much doubt they will though.
Why would you love that?
(Agreed that there is no chance of it.)
My guess is that he would love that because it would reveal the ugly truth about the EU.
In fact I can authoritatively confirm that "blowing a big hole in Richie's rescue plan" was only the first step, over the weekend we, the Fourth Reich, will indeed confiscate the Bank of England, take all your money and use it to fund the enforced resettlement of 135 million "migrants" (most of them CV infected) to Kent, Surrey and Buckinghamshire, to further our aim of race replacement of the British white working class. And there is f* all you can do about it.
Brilliant, just about sums up what your average Brexiteer on here thinks the EU is planning every waking minute of every day.
Kind of sad that some of the UK's best journalists are currently unavailable because they have been pressed into service in government.
Just imagine what the bendy-banana guy would have made out of that opportunity.
I haven't seen anyone mention this yet but, erm, millenials being asked to behave in order to save boomers and gammons might stick in the throat somewhat.
They might reasonably point out that the oldies screwed this country over with Brexit.
So the fact that most of them are so gracious is testament to what a fabulous generation they are. I mean it. The shits are the likes of Peter Hitchens and Piers Morgan.
What an idiot you are. Milleniums screwed themselves over Brexit by not bothering to vote. Stop trying to sow discord with your miserable dreary efforts to politicise everything.
Clear message today, stop being self centred tw@ts you inconsiderate arseholes who are hoarding food...
I think you'll find that most people on this forum have at least little more food stocked than they normally would. It's only human to buy a little more when you notice shortages. And if everyone buys a little more, it disrupts the supply chain and you get empty shelves. Rinse and repeat.
At some point, hopefully in the near future, the supermarkets will be able to keep the shelves filled for long enough to convince people that there is no shortage, and the cycle will be broken.
At risk of bringing down the pb average, apart from a couple of tins of mackerel, I've no food at all, nor hand sanitiser come to that. Provided the fish and chip shop stays open, I should be OK.
Clear message today, stop being self centred tw@ts you inconsiderate arseholes who are hoarding food...
Message is one thing, let's have action. Nationwide limit of two purchases per item, strictly enforced shopping hours for older people and key workers, reserving delivery slots for older people and key workers etc...
Just telling the selfish c**** hey are selfish c**** won't solve the problem, they already know they are and don't care.
Most things are already limited to three per customer I believe?
Time to lower that limit and make it enforceable by government order. My sister went to get baby formula today and said some arsehole was arguing with the lady behind the till "oh it's only 4 items" holding everyone else up for ages. This is happening everywhere. Personally I'm in favour of a ration card per household, two purchases per item per week. That will teach the c****.
Cattle prods for checkout operators, anyone that comes up with more than two of anything gets a quick prod, each item
Clear message today, stop being self centred tw@ts you inconsiderate arseholes who are hoarding food...
Message is one thing, let's have action. Nationwide limit of two purchases per item, strictly enforced shopping hours for older people and key workers, reserving delivery slots for older people and key workers etc...
Just telling the selfish c**** hey are selfish c**** won't solve the problem, they already know they are and don't care.
Most things are already limited to three per customer I believe?
Time to lower that limit and make it enforceable by government order. My sister went to get baby formula today and said some arsehole was arguing with the lady behind the till "oh it's only 4 items" holding everyone else up for ages. This is happening everywhere. Personally I'm in favour of a ration card per household, two purchases per item per week. That will teach the c****.
Cattle prods for checkout operators, anyone that comes up with more than two of anything gets a quick prod, each item
Can't I buy a weeks supply of wine?
Lol. I think you’ll find that a lot of PB’ers have stocks much larger than that. Muchly.
Clear message today, stop being self centred tw@ts you inconsiderate arseholes who are hoarding food...
I think you'll find that most people on this forum have at least little more food stocked than they normally would. It's only human to buy a little more when you notice shortages. And if everyone buys a little more, it disrupts the supply chain and you get empty shelves. Rinse and repeat.
At some point, hopefully in the near future, the supermarkets will be able to keep the shelves filled for long enough to convince people that there is no shortage, and the cycle will be broken.
At risk of bringing down the pb average, apart from a couple of tins of mackerel, I've no food at all, nor hand sanitiser come to that. Provided the fish and chip shop stays open, I should be OK.
So just to be clear - if we go into total lockdown, you starve?
In response to @MattW’s question re pruning of forsythia.
1. Get some sharp clean secateurs so the cut is a clean one. You don’t want to be tearing at the twigs or branches.
2. No problem with pruning now - or you could wait until it’s finished flowering. The advantage of pruning now is that the stems with flowers you cut off can be put in the house to brighten it. The forsythia will still flower next year. It’s a tough old plant.
3. Lop off all the long extra stems that are sticking out. Then gradually cut down to the height and width you want. Aim to make it a rounded shape - a bit like a rounded arch - so that it looks pleasing to you and so as you pass it there aren’t bits sticking into you or catching. There is no magic to this - just step back every few minutes just to look at it form different angles.
4. The key to this is to remember that all plants will grow up to the light so if you leave the they will just reach for the sky. If untouched this ends up leaving you with lots of flowers at the top and bare branches at the bottom. So by cutting at the top and cutting the shoots heading skywards you force the plant to send out side shoots which will flower and it will look rounder and squatter and fatter so you get a burst of really bright yellow sunshine just where you want it.
5. Cut just above a flower or bud - a nice neat cut and sloping downwards. This minimises the possibility of any infection. Cut right down to the base any stems which look empty or straggly.
Plants are fine with pruning. It generally makes them stronger. Forsythia is as tough as old boots.
Thank-you.
I have inherited about 4 pairs of secateurs, so I will sally forth with one of those.
“Treat yourself like you would someone you're responsible for helping.” Jordan B. Peterson, 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos
Imagine the virus was particularly deadly to children. People would have stopped going to pubs, bars, work, using public transport a month ago. Rule 2 in Peterson’s book covers this
This whole thing could have second waves, and other countries getting their peaks later, and countries will want to limit movement for long after until it becomes part of the psyche. This morning I'm wondering which will be the first party to come up with a "progressive" low-immigration policy. People won't be moving about for a long time after this. You could come up with a Greta Thunberg argument or something that a smaller, more local world is more environmentally friendly.
If restricting the movement of people is the aim, focusing on reducing tourism and business travel would have more relevance.
And travel to visit family. But also, this is what pandemics do - they make people more anti-immigration. People are going to get used to controlling borders. One thing that's amusing me about all this is that people that were previously remainers have often been very vocal about shutting the country down and restricting movement, and going WHY haven't we closed all the schools and shut down all the flights YESTERDAY? This will impact our minds long-term I think. It's not about aims, it's about outcomes.
Restricting the kind of movement that spreads pandemics also means things like reducing commuting. Political borders and migration are a very minor aspect of it.
Do you think the long-term response in the USA will be restrictions on movement between states?
I'm not talking about the general public surviving a pandemic with long periods of lockdown and many deaths, getting their calculators out and working out their new moral aesthetics through accountancy. We're controlling our borders now, some of the demands for the most strict measures are coming from people who were most ardently Remain to the point of wanting a People's Vote, and psychologically fears of infection are linked to desire for lower immigration.
I'm not making a moral claim there as to whether it's a bad thing to want lower immigration because there's some psychological reasons behind it btw. I also think that after this, everyone will want a smaller simpler world. Which is maybe what people wanted when they voted for Brexit.
QUICK EDIT: For clarity, "No" to the thing about the states.
It's not immigration that has been spreading this virus; it's air travel and cruises.
Question: my hairdresser closed yesterday - not because the government told them to, but voluntarily. Am I correct that they won`t be able to access the 80% of salary deal for the employees because they closed voluntarily?
I would think they will. Perhaps they closed BECAUSE of the package even?
I haven`t asked, but I suspect that is correct, i.e. they closed because of the deal thinking they would qualify. So, do you think that the gov package covers all businesses that voluntarily pause trading because of the virus? Any business?
There's a duty of care/health and safety aspect to consider. Just because you don't have to close doesn't mean there are not other very good reasons to do so.
Initially hairdressers were exempt from the shutdown In Spain but the regions insisted That they be included. Home beauty treatment is allowed, I think. Providing appropriate safety measures are taken.
I haven`t asked, but I suspect that is correct, i.e. they closed because of the deal thinking they would qualify. So, do you think that the gov package covers all businesses that voluntarily pause trading because of the virus? Any business?
Yes, any business, that is my understanding.
Certify that you are placing an employee "on furlough" for 3 months as a consequence of the crisis and you will get the lower of 80% of salary or £7500 from the government.
Wide open to abuse, obviously, but I guess that is not a big concern right now.
Clear message today, stop being self centred tw@ts you inconsiderate arseholes who are hoarding food...
Message is one thing, let's have action. Nationwide limit of two purchases per item, strictly enforced shopping hours for older people and key workers, reserving delivery slots for older people and key workers etc...
Just telling the selfish c**** hey are selfish c**** won't solve the problem, they already know they are and don't care.
Most things are already limited to three per customer I believe?
Time to lower that limit and make it enforceable by government order. My sister went to get baby formula today and said some arsehole was arguing with the lady behind the till "oh it's only 4 items" holding everyone else up for ages. This is happening everywhere. Personally I'm in favour of a ration card per household, two purchases per item per week. That will teach the c****.
Cattle prods for checkout operators, anyone that comes up with more than two of anything gets a quick prod, each item
Can't I buy a weeks supply of wine?
84 bottles? Personal consumption for a week, huh?
The problem with keeping limits really low is that it will force trips and increase interaction.
Public information service. I phoned Virgin Media to cancel my Sky Sports package - they offered it free for 3 months. So 40 minutes of "hold" music saved me £30 a month.
Time and again this week I have been reminded of that great line from last year’s Chernobyl drama series. “When the truth offends, we lie and lie until we can no longer remember it is even there. But it is still there. Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later, that debt is paid.”
Or as the great Buddha said -
"Three things cannot long be hidden. The Sun, the Moon, and the Truth."
Clear message today, stop being self centred tw@ts you inconsiderate arseholes who are hoarding food...
Message is one thing, let's have action. Nationwide limit of two purchases per item, strictly enforced shopping hours for older people and key workers, reserving delivery slots for older people and key workers etc...
Just telling the selfish c**** hey are selfish c**** won't solve the problem, they already know they are and don't care.
Most things are already limited to three per customer I believe?
Time to lower that limit and make it enforceable by government order. My sister went to get baby formula today and said some arsehole was arguing with the lady behind the till "oh it's only 4 items" holding everyone else up for ages. This is happening everywhere. Personally I'm in favour of a ration card per household, two purchases per item per week. That will teach the c****.
Cattle prods for checkout operators, anyone that comes up with more than two of anything gets a quick prod, each item
Can't I buy a weeks supply of wine?
Lol. I think you’ll find that a lot of PB’ers have stocks much larger than that. Muchly.
Thankfully I have a beer52 subscription so I get 10 pretty nice beers delivered per month, I haven't opened the last few months worth as it was Xmas and then not Xmas and then I went on holiday. Means I've got about 40 beers in unopened boxes and another 20 or so left from previous ones. Winning.
Clear message today, stop being self centred tw@ts you inconsiderate arseholes who are hoarding food...
Message is one thing, let's have action. Nationwide limit of two purchases per item, strictly enforced shopping hours for older people and key workers, reserving delivery slots for older people and key workers etc...
Just telling the selfish c**** hey are selfish c**** won't solve the problem, they already know they are and don't care.
Most things are already limited to three per customer I believe?
Time to lower that limit and make it enforceable by government order. My sister went to get baby formula today and said some arsehole was arguing with the lady behind the till "oh it's only 4 items" holding everyone else up for ages. This is happening everywhere. Personally I'm in favour of a ration card per household, two purchases per item per week. That will teach the c****.
Cattle prods for checkout operators, anyone that comes up with more than two of anything gets a quick prod, each item
Can't I buy a weeks supply of wine?
84 bottles? Personal consumption for a week, huh?
The problem with keeping limits really low is that it will force trips and increase interaction.
So we have moved from a household of 2 to a household of 5 as my daughter returns from Liverpool Uni where she is doing her degree and my son and his girlfriend (who is Rumanian and therefore completely snookered) return from Cambridge where they are doing their Ph.Ds.
I went to Sainsbury's after the lunatics had been. The shop was not only empty of pasta, rice and flour but also of people.
They have a limit of 3 items on everything and 2 on certain in demand items. This is being taken to an extreme as my bunch of bananas was split and 3 returned to me and my carrots and parsnip also confiscated and limited to limit of 3.
It is going to be fun sharing that around 5 people.
Clear message today, stop being self centred tw@ts you inconsiderate arseholes who are hoarding food...
Message is one thing, let's have action. Nationwide limit of two purchases per item, strictly enforced shopping hours for older people and key workers, reserving delivery slots for older people and key workers etc...
Just telling the selfish c**** hey are selfish c**** won't solve the problem, they already know they are and don't care.
Most things are already limited to three per customer I believe?
Time to lower that limit and make it enforceable by government order. My sister went to get baby formula today and said some arsehole was arguing with the lady behind the till "oh it's only 4 items" holding everyone else up for ages. This is happening everywhere. Personally I'm in favour of a ration card per household, two purchases per item per week. That will teach the c****.
OK, Govt., hire a dozen actors, make them up to look not like themselves (or they will starve!), then have their images at the entrance to all supermarkets.
"These people are barred from ALL supermarkets and retailers for hoarding essential items. Anyone else trying to buy more than FOUR packets of any item will join them on this list. The Management"
According to the Italian Institute of Health's latest report over 99% of deaths in Italy are from people with one or more pre-existing conditions.
Fit people are not immune, but they are also very very unlikely to die.
The scaremongering in the media about this is more designed to get people to take isolation seriously than any likelihood of hordes of fit young people dying.
The are only very very unlikely to die if the demand on the health service is within capacity. If the demand exceeds capacity it will be more like veryvery unlikely to die.
Wuhan was overwhelmed and still the fraction of deaths by age was not much different, so no.
You believe the Chinese official figures...
See my edit, the fraction of young people dying in overstretched Italian hospitals is similar to the figures from Wuhan, so it seems like at least in this respect they are fairly accurate.
You aren't listening to people. Every bed patient A takes up potentially denies it to B, C, D - if they live, for even longer than if they die. Being a selfish twat doesn't cut it.
Clear message today, stop being self centred tw@ts you inconsiderate arseholes who are hoarding food...
Message is one thing, let's have action. Nationwide limit of two purchases per item, strictly enforced shopping hours for older people and key workers, reserving delivery slots for older people and key workers etc...
Just telling the selfish c**** hey are selfish c**** won't solve the problem, they already know they are and don't care.
Most things are already limited to three per customer I believe?
Time to lower that limit and make it enforceable by government order. My sister went to get baby formula today and said some arsehole was arguing with the lady behind the till "oh it's only 4 items" holding everyone else up for ages. This is happening everywhere. Personally I'm in favour of a ration card per household, two purchases per item per week. That will teach the c****.
Cattle prods for checkout operators, anyone that comes up with more than two of anything gets a quick prod, each item
Can't I buy a weeks supply of wine?
is two cases not enough, 3 1/2 bottles a day will keep you going till things get back to normal
Remember the good old days when we used to have soccer and rugby on Saturday afternoons and at this point 2.44pm we'd just be waiting for the kick offs.
Clear message today, stop being self centred tw@ts you inconsiderate arseholes who are hoarding food...
I think you'll find that most people on this forum have at least little more food stocked than they normally would. It's only human to buy a little more when you notice shortages. And if everyone buys a little more, it disrupts the supply chain and you get empty shelves. Rinse and repeat.
At some point, hopefully in the near future, the supermarkets will be able to keep the shelves filled for long enough to convince people that there is no shortage, and the cycle will be broken.
At risk of bringing down the pb average, apart from a couple of tins of mackerel, I've no food at all, nor hand sanitiser come to that. Provided the fish and chip shop stays open, I should be OK.
It'd be helpful if there was a consensus on what a reasonable stock is. I live alone and stocked up with 2 weeks' supply before the crisis took off, on the basis that if I needed to self-isolate for a fortnight that'd cover it, and otherwise I would just shop normally. But as I'm 70 I'm not really supposed to shop now, nor are the delivery schees working, and I don't expect anyone to make a special effort for me as I'm not ill.
So what do we collectively think is a fair share? 3 weeks' stock?
I haven`t asked, but I suspect that is correct, i.e. they closed because of the deal thinking they would qualify. So, do you think that the gov package covers all businesses that voluntarily pause trading because of the virus? Any business?
Yes, any business, that is my understanding.
Certify that you are placing an employee "on furlough" for 3 months as a consequence of the crisis and you will get the lower of 80% of salary or £7500 from the government.
Wide open to abuse, obviously, but I guess that is not a big concern right now.
No, the employees get the money, it is paid into the PAYE account by HMRC (negative income tax, basically). The company has no control over it. It's actually a difficult system to game or abuse as it's only for existing employees and it's paid via a very secure system.
This whole thing could have second waves, and other countries getting their peaks later, and countries will want to limit movement for long after until it becomes part of the psyche. This morning I'm wondering which will be the first party to come up with a "progressive" low-immigration policy. People won't be moving about for a long time after this. You could come up with a Greta Thunberg argument or something that a smaller, more local world is more environmentally friendly.
If restricting the movement of people is the aim, focusing on reducing tourism and business travel would have more relevance.
And travel to visit family. But also, this is what pandemics do - they make people more anti-immigration. People are going to get used to controlling borders. One thing that's amusing me about all this is that people that were previously remainers have often been very vocal about shutting the country down and restricting movement, and going WHY haven't we closed all the schools and shut down all the flights YESTERDAY? This will impact our minds long-term I think. It's not about aims, it's about outcomes.
Restricting the kind of movement that spreads pandemics also means things like reducing commuting. Political borders and migration are a very minor aspect of it.
Do you think the long-term response in the USA will be restrictions on movement between states?
I'm not talking about the general public surviving a pandemic with long periods of lockdown and many deaths, getting their calculators out and working out their new moral aesthetics through accountancy. We're controlling our borders now, some of the demands for the most strict measures are coming from people who were most ardently Remain to the point of wanting a People's Vote, and psychologically fears of infection are linked to desire for lower immigration.
I'm not making a moral claim there as to whether it's a bad thing to want lower immigration because there's some psychological reasons behind it btw. I also think that after this, everyone will want a smaller simpler world. Which is maybe what people wanted when they voted for Brexit.
QUICK EDIT: For clarity, "No" to the thing about the states.
It's not immigration that has been spreading this virus; it's air travel and cruises.
So we have moved from a household of 2 to a household of 5 as my daughter returns from Liverpool Uni where she is doing her degree and my son and his girlfriend (who is Rumanian and therefore completely snookered) return from Cambridge where they are doing their Ph.Ds.
I went to Sainsbury's after the lunatics had been. The shop was not only empty of pasta, rice and flour but also of people.
They have a limit of 3 items on everything and 2 on certain in demand items. This is being taken to an extreme as my bunch of bananas was split and 3 returned to me and my carrots and parsnip also confiscated and limited to limit of 3.
It is going to be fun sharing that around 5 people.
Bizarrely the shelves were heaving with bananas.
Would they have applied that to loose seeded goods?
I'd honestly love for the EU to start proceedings against the government for breaching state aid rules. I very much doubt they will though.
Why would you love that?
(Agreed that there is no chance of it.)
My guess is that he would love that because it would reveal the ugly truth about the EU.
In fact I can authoritatively confirm that "blowing a big hole in Richie's rescue plan" was only the first step, over the weekend we, the Fourth Reich, will indeed confiscate the Bank of England, take all your money and use it to fund the enforced resettlement of 135 million "migrants" (most of them CV infected) to Kent, Surrey and Buckinghamshire, to further our aim of race replacement of the British white working class. And there is f* all you can do about it.
Clear message today, stop being self centred tw@ts you inconsiderate arseholes who are hoarding food...
I think you'll find that most people on this forum have at least little more food stocked than they normally would. It's only human to buy a little more when you notice shortages. And if everyone buys a little more, it disrupts the supply chain and you get empty shelves. Rinse and repeat.
At some point, hopefully in the near future, the supermarkets will be able to keep the shelves filled for long enough to convince people that there is no shortage, and the cycle will be broken.
At risk of bringing down the pb average, apart from a couple of tins of mackerel, I've no food at all, nor hand sanitiser come to that. Provided the fish and chip shop stays open, I should be OK.
It'd be helpful if there was a consensus on what a reasonable stock is. I live alone and stocked up with 2 weeks' supply before the crisis took off, on the basis that if I needed to self-isolate for a fortnight that'd cover it, and otherwise I would just shop normally. But as I'm 70 I'm not really supposed to shop now, nor are the delivery schees working, and I don't expect anyone to make a special effort for me as I'm not ill.
So what do we collectively think is a fair share? 3 weeks' stock?
Surely, if you are sitting on your PC gaming all day, all you need to survive is a crate of Pringles, and another of beer?
Clear message today, stop being self centred tw@ts you inconsiderate arseholes who are hoarding food...
Message is one thing, let's have action. Nationwide limit of two purchases per item, strictly enforced shopping hours for older people and key workers, reserving delivery slots for older people and key workers etc...
Just telling the selfish c**** hey are selfish c**** won't solve the problem, they already know they are and don't care.
Most things are already limited to three per customer I believe?
Time to lower that limit and make it enforceable by government order. My sister went to get baby formula today and said some arsehole was arguing with the lady behind the till "oh it's only 4 items" holding everyone else up for ages. This is happening everywhere. Personally I'm in favour of a ration card per household, two purchases per item per week. That will teach the c****.
OK, Govt., hire a dozen actors, make them up to look not like themselves (or they will starve!), then have their images at the entrance to all supermarkets.
"These people are barred from ALL supermarkets and retailers for hoarding essential items. Anyone else trying to buy more than FOUR packets of any item will join them on this list. The Management"
So we have moved from a household of 2 to a household of 5 as my daughter returns from Liverpool Uni where she is doing her degree and my son and his girlfriend (who is Rumanian and therefore completely snookered) return from Cambridge where they are doing their Ph.Ds.
I went to Sainsbury's after the lunatics had been. The shop was not only empty of pasta, rice and flour but also of people.
They have a limit of 3 items on everything and 2 on certain in demand items. This is being taken to an extreme as my bunch of bananas was split and 3 returned to me and my carrots and parsnip also confiscated and limited to limit of 3.
It is going to be fun sharing that around 5 people.
Clear message today, stop being self centred tw@ts you inconsiderate arseholes who are hoarding food...
I think you'll find that most people on this forum have at least little more food stocked than they normally would. It's only human to buy a little more when you notice shortages. And if everyone buys a little more, it disrupts the supply chain and you get empty shelves. Rinse and repeat.
At some point, hopefully in the near future, the supermarkets will be able to keep the shelves filled for long enough to convince people that there is no shortage, and the cycle will be broken.
At risk of bringing down the pb average, apart from a couple of tins of mackerel, I've no food at all, nor hand sanitiser come to that. Provided the fish and chip shop stays open, I should be OK.
So just to be clear - if we go into total lockdown, you starve?
Yes. There was a mild scare yesterday with the restaurants closure but takeaways were spared. But paradoxically, total lockdown might lead to more secure food supplies.
I'd honestly love for the EU to start proceedings against the government for breaching state aid rules. I very much doubt they will though.
Why would you love that?
(Agreed that there is no chance of it.)
My guess is that he would love that because it would reveal the ugly truth about the EU.
In fact I can authoritatively confirm that "blowing a big hole in Richie's rescue plan" was only the first step, over the weekend we, the Fourth Reich, will indeed confiscate the Bank of England, take all your money and use it to fund the enforced resettlement of 135 million "migrants" (most of them CV infected) to Kent, Surrey and Buckinghamshire, to further our aim of race replacement of the British white working class. And there is f* all you can do about it.
I'd honestly love for the EU to start proceedings against the government for breaching state aid rules. I very much doubt they will though.
Why would you love that?
(Agreed that there is no chance of it.)
My guess is that he would love that because it would reveal the ugly truth about the EU.
In fact I can authoritatively confirm that "blowing a big hole in Richie's rescue plan" was only the first step, over the weekend we, the Fourth Reich, will indeed confiscate the Bank of England, take all your money and use it to fund the enforced resettlement of 135 million "migrants" (most of them CV infected) to Kent, Surrey and Buckinghamshire, to further our aim of race replacement of the British white working class. And there is f* all you can do about it.
So we have moved from a household of 2 to a household of 5 as my daughter returns from Liverpool Uni where she is doing her degree and my son and his girlfriend (who is Rumanian and therefore completely snookered) return from Cambridge where they are doing their Ph.Ds.
I went to Sainsbury's after the lunatics had been. The shop was not only empty of pasta, rice and flour but also of people.
They have a limit of 3 items on everything and 2 on certain in demand items. This is being taken to an extreme as my bunch of bananas was split and 3 returned to me and my carrots and parsnip also confiscated and limited to limit of 3.
It is going to be fun sharing that around 5 people.
Bizarrely the shelves were heaving with bananas.
Next time take all of them with you and check out separately.
Remember the good old days when we used to have soccer and rugby on Saturday afternoons and at this point 2.44pm we'd just be waiting for the kick offs.
Full marks for at least trying to make us see our current predicament in a more positive light.
According to the Italian Institute of Health's latest report over 99% of deaths in Italy are from people with one or more pre-existing conditions.
Fit people are not immune, but they are also very very unlikely to die.
The scaremongering in the media about this is more designed to get people to take isolation seriously than any likelihood of hordes of fit young people dying.
The are only very very unlikely to die if the demand on the health service is within capacity. If the demand exceeds capacity it will be more like veryvery unlikely to die.
Wuhan was overwhelmed and still the fraction of deaths by age was not much different, so no.
You believe the Chinese official figures...
See my edit, the fraction of young people dying in overstretched Italian hospitals is similar to the figures from Wuhan, so it seems like at least in this respect they are fairly accurate.
You aren't listening to people. Every bed patient A takes up potentially denies it to B, C, D - if they live, for even longer than if they die. Being a selfish twat doesn't cut it.
You clearly aren't reading what I'm saying. Where am I advocating people be 'selfish twats'?
Clear message today, stop being self centred tw@ts you inconsiderate arseholes who are hoarding food...
I think you'll find that most people on this forum have at least little more food stocked than they normally would. It's only human to buy a little more when you notice shortages. And if everyone buys a little more, it disrupts the supply chain and you get empty shelves. Rinse and repeat.
At some point, hopefully in the near future, the supermarkets will be able to keep the shelves filled for long enough to convince people that there is no shortage, and the cycle will be broken.
At risk of bringing down the pb average, apart from a couple of tins of mackerel, I've no food at all, nor hand sanitiser come to that. Provided the fish and chip shop stays open, I should be OK.
It'd be helpful if there was a consensus on what a reasonable stock is. I live alone and stocked up with 2 weeks' supply before the crisis took off, on the basis that if I needed to self-isolate for a fortnight that'd cover it, and otherwise I would just shop normally. But as I'm 70 I'm not really supposed to shop now, nor are the delivery schees working, and I don't expect anyone to make a special effort for me as I'm not ill.
So what do we collectively think is a fair share? 3 weeks' stock?
If it gets bad you would be safer with 1 months supply at least
I haven`t asked, but I suspect that is correct, i.e. they closed because of the deal thinking they would qualify. So, do you think that the gov package covers all businesses that voluntarily pause trading because of the virus? Any business?
Yes, any business, that is my understanding.
Certify that you are placing an employee "on furlough" for 3 months as a consequence of the crisis and you will get the lower of 80% of salary or £7500 from the government.
Wide open to abuse, obviously, but I guess that is not a big concern right now.
No, the employees get the money, it is paid into the PAYE account by HMRC (negative income tax, basically). The company has no control over it. It's actually a difficult system to game or abuse as it's only for existing employees and it's paid via a very secure system.
The only way to game it I could see is the employees keep on working and getting paid, and then split the extra with the employer.
But that would require no one (a) spilling the beans and (b) would show up on the next month's PAYE report
Remember the good old days when we used to have soccer and rugby on Saturday afternoons and at this point 2.44pm we'd just be waiting for the kick offs.
As a Dundee season ticketholder I'm finding my saturday's to be a lot more relaxed without the whole quiet desperation at 245pm sliding into the outraged desperation at 445pm.
Tenerife news. There was a woman in M&S yesterday just back from Tenerife because everything is locked down there. Apparently the authorities here don't care about people returning from hotspots abroad. Btw, why do M&S till staff insist on wasting time engaging shoppers in conversation? Is it a ploy to increase return visits by lonely customers?
Remember the good old days when we used to have soccer and rugby on Saturday afternoons and at this point 2.44pm we'd just be waiting for the kick offs.
Although, with some trepdiation if you are a Burnley fan.
Coronavirus: a fillip to your blood pressure......
Clear message today, stop being self centred tw@ts you inconsiderate arseholes who are hoarding food...
I think you'll find that most people on this forum have at least little more food stocked than they normally would. It's only human to buy a little more when you notice shortages. And if everyone buys a little more, it disrupts the supply chain and you get empty shelves. Rinse and repeat.
At some point, hopefully in the near future, the supermarkets will be able to keep the shelves filled for long enough to convince people that there is no shortage, and the cycle will be broken.
At risk of bringing down the pb average, apart from a couple of tins of mackerel, I've no food at all, nor hand sanitiser come to that. Provided the fish and chip shop stays open, I should be OK.
It'd be helpful if there was a consensus on what a reasonable stock is. I live alone and stocked up with 2 weeks' supply before the crisis took off, on the basis that if I needed to self-isolate for a fortnight that'd cover it, and otherwise I would just shop normally. But as I'm 70 I'm not really supposed to shop now, nor are the delivery schees working, and I don't expect anyone to make a special effort for me as I'm not ill.
So what do we collectively think is a fair share? 3 weeks' stock?
Personally, I don't think it is just about the volume of stock, it is shelf life, the types of food and flexibility.
I probably have 2 months worth of food, which one would imagine would mean my house looks like some crazy hoarder, but it really isn't, my fridge isn't even full. The freezer is and the cupboards are well stocked, but for example eating porridge for breakfast every day for 60 days, that really doesn't require 10,000 bags of the stuff.
I have a load of packets of dessert mix, where you just add the mix and a small amount of milk, and it makes a dessert in a mug. And jelly where you just add the hot water etc.
I think it depends if you are willing to eat a slightly more restricted basic set of foods.
We have a bunch of R5 commentators doing bugger all. They could just - you know, make stuff up! Pretendy commentaries. Some soundtrack of "oohs!" and "aaahs" and "who's the wanker in the black?". Who'd know? Even the pauses for VAR decisions would be entertaining....
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Just telling the selfish c**** hey are selfish c**** won't solve the problem, they already know they are and don't care.
Fit people are not immune, but they are also very very unlikely to die.
The scaremongering in the media about this is more designed to get people to take isolation seriously than any likelihood of hordes of fit young people dying.
It's quicker and simpler to put the rules in place for everyone and move on.
Take for example a hotel company. Their revenues have dried up. The government is covering the cost of 80% of wages so they can keep staff on. But they still have landlords and there will be significant loans against the properties. So the government gives them a break on tax to prevent a knock on impact on the banks (because if the banks lock up then there are real problems)
At some point, hopefully in the near future, the supermarkets will be able to keep the shelves filled for long enough to convince people that there is no shortage, and the cycle will be broken.
veryveryunlikely to die.FFS, that just confuses things even more. KISS, its a fever and an uncontrollable dry cough in basically everybody who shows symptoms. All the other stuff, yes it might help medical professionals diagnose this, but Dave sitting at home in his PJs feeling shit, doesn't help.
It's not scaremongering. But if it helps you to cling to the dying vestiges of normalcy bias I'm not going to debunk your myth.
It's coming folks and it's about to get a whole heap worse.
Sorry but it's the truth.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1241367239900778501?s=20
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1241367245143642113?s=20
May god bless America.....
edit: the CEO is also correct in that once the dividend has been approved by the AGM he needs a shareholder vote to waive it - it is very difficult and he legally can't stop it independently. There are a lot of companies suspending dividends and building balance sheets at the moment
In fact I can authoritatively confirm that "blowing a big hole in Richie's rescue plan" was only the first step, over the weekend we, the Fourth Reich, will indeed confiscate the Bank of England, take all your money and use it to fund the enforced resettlement of 135 million "migrants" (most of them CV infected) to Kent, Surrey and Buckinghamshire, to further our aim of race replacement of the British white working class.
And there is f* all you can do about it.
(You can argue about the accuracy of the Chinese figures but the deaths of healthy young people are the least likely to be undercounted so if anything the Chinese figures are an upper bound)
But this is going too far.
Coronavirus: Man proposes in Iceland
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-51987478
Just imagine what the bendy-banana guy would have made out of that opportunity.
I have inherited about 4 pairs of secateurs, so I will sally forth with one of those.
Jordan B. Peterson, 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos
Imagine the virus was particularly deadly to children. People would have stopped going to pubs, bars, work, using public transport a month ago. Rule 2 in Peterson’s book covers this
Certify that you are placing an employee "on furlough" for 3 months as a consequence of the crisis and you will get the lower of 80% of salary or £7500 from the government.
Wide open to abuse, obviously, but I guess that is not a big concern right now.
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1241310591677018112
I phoned Virgin Media to cancel my Sky Sports package - they offered it free for 3 months.
So 40 minutes of "hold" music saved me £30 a month.
"Three things cannot long be hidden. The Sun, the Moon, and the Truth."
Ummm, Ummm, Ummm ...
I went to Sainsbury's after the lunatics had been. The shop was not only empty of pasta, rice and flour but also of people.
They have a limit of 3 items on everything and 2 on certain in demand items. This is being taken to an extreme as my bunch of bananas was split and 3 returned to me and my carrots and parsnip also confiscated and limited to limit of 3.
It is going to be fun sharing that around 5 people.
Bizarrely the shelves were heaving with bananas.
"These people are barred from ALL supermarkets and retailers for hoarding essential items. Anyone else trying to buy more than FOUR packets of any item will join them on this list. The Management"
So what do we collectively think is a fair share? 3 weeks' stock?
If so, can we all agree that’s nuts?
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But that would require no one (a) spilling the beans and (b) would show up on the next month's PAYE report
Coronavirus: a fillip to your blood pressure......
I probably have 2 months worth of food, which one would imagine would mean my house looks like some crazy hoarder, but it really isn't, my fridge isn't even full. The freezer is and the cupboards are well stocked, but for example eating porridge for breakfast every day for 60 days, that really doesn't require 10,000 bags of the stuff.
I have a load of packets of dessert mix, where you just add the mix and a small amount of milk, and it makes a dessert in a mug. And jelly where you just add the hot water etc.
I think it depends if you are willing to eat a slightly more restricted basic set of foods.