No vaccine or massive break through and we are all f##ked.
Routine testing. Those that test negative can go about their daily business, while sporadic outbreaks can be picked up quickly. But you need to keep/get the epidemic under control first, hence the requirement for an immediate and comprehensive lockdown.
Asian countries called this right, I believe. They had the experience of SARS
I guess you're not including China in that? I mean, they did try to cover it up to begin with.
I do include China. They were understandably caught out by being first, but once they realised what was going on, they appear to be textbook.
I'm sorry, but had they not tried to cover this up, then we might not be in such a mess.
Obviously I think the West should have gone in to full-on collective panic mode in January, but the globe trotting elite are so powerful, we can't stop them flying all around the world.
I think I am going to leave this site for at least a couple of weeks. So much is uncertain about the data and outcomes at this stage, and yet so many on this site seem to be able to speak with moral outrage at the decisions of our public health officials who are working around the clock on an extraordinarily difficult and complex set of problems for which there are no good or right answers.
I refuse to believe that those officials are either evil or heartless or incompetent, which are assumptions underlying many of the comments on here.
No vaccine or massive break through and we are all f##ked.
I've heard chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine (a relatively cheap and widely available anti-malaria drug) is looking quite promising as a treatment in clinical trials so that might be something while we wait for a vaccine...
Hence why private sales of those were banned a week or so back.
Fucking hell. This is a nightmare. This is a world war calamity.
Imagine if we had a decisive government that had done what was needed before it was too late.
Sadly, it became too late many weeks ago - and it really needed a global shutdown of air travel. The last few days has been about which form of disaster we'd like.
I’m not arguing whether the experts are wrong, but the way the information is being presented is poor, and causing unnecessary confusion.
Watch Macron simply tell people how it is. Watch Boris and Trump waffle.
I doubt many are listening to Boris as much as Whitty and Vallance and I for one am so pleased they are in charge of this advice, which is endorsed by Sturgeon, Drakeford and Foster
So if you are critical I assume you are going to attack the nations first ministers as well as Boris
I think I am going to leave this site for at least a couple of weeks. So much is uncertain about the data and outcomes at this stage, and yet so many on this site seem to be able to speak with moral outrage at the decisions of our public health officials who are working around the clock on an extraordinarily difficult and complex set of problems for which there are no good or right answers.
I refuse to believe that those officials are either evil or heartless or incompetent, which are assumptions underlying many of the comments on here.
Please do not give in to the keyboard warriors
As an antidote to the view that this site is full of moral outrage loons, this morning I posted a message about not being able to get a delivery of food and being a full time carer.
I have had several offers of help if people are in the same area.
Well at least I now have less capital to pay for future care home needs, another area that will come back and bite the government as savings take a hammering.
Unfortunately due to the mortality rate amongst over 70s and especially over 80s there will be rather fewer needing social care going forward
That is truly a disgusting comment. Shame on you
It was a statement of fact prefaced by the word 'unfortunately'
It is simply disgusting and shames you for stating it
There are many of us in the highest risk category doing all we can to isolate ourselves and prevent becoming a burden on the NHS and your insensitivity reflects a seriously unsympathetic attitude to the elderly and life itself
You need to think before you spout such ill considered comments
We all need to be kinder and understanding.
You have a big lesson to learn
Look BigG, my father is recently recovering from cancer and over 70 and self isolating.
He is also in the at risk category but you can sugar coat it as much as you like but you cannot get away from the fact what I said was a statement of fact even if an undesirable one (though most over 70s and over 80s should survive on the positive side they will be more at risk on the negative side).
It is clear that the modellers here think you need many months lockdown.
Yep.
I guess the idea is they initially say 'it's just for two weeks' and then break the news gently that it is for X months, where X is a number that drives me to drink.
I’m not arguing whether the experts are wrong, but the way the information is being presented is poor, and causing unnecessary confusion.
Watch Macron simply tell people how it is. Watch Boris and Trump waffle.
I don't think they're waffling, I think that's harsh, they're saying it as it is.
What do you think is waffling?
Macron: “This is what we’re doing, these are the steps taken to mitigate the damage.”
Johnson: “oh umm, maybe don’t socialise” “what about businesses that will go bust?” “🤷♂️“
You do yourself no favours, as the advice was far stronger than that. You are correct that more needs to be said about what will be done to help businesses.
I think I am going to leave this site for at least a couple of weeks. So much is uncertain about the data and outcomes at this stage, and yet so many on this site seem to be able to speak with moral outrage at the decisions of our public health officials who are working around the clock on an extraordinarily difficult and complex set of problems for which there are no good or right answers.
I refuse to believe that those officials are either evil or heartless or incompetent, which are assumptions underlying many of the comments on here.
Please do not give in to the keyboard warriors
As an antidote to the view that this site is full of moral outrage loons, this morning I posted a message about not being able to get a delivery of food and being a full time carer.
I have had several offers of help if people are in the same area.
I’m not arguing whether the experts are wrong, but the way the information is being presented is poor, and causing unnecessary confusion.
Watch Macron simply tell people how it is. Watch Boris and Trump waffle.
I don't think they're waffling, I think that's harsh, they're saying it as it is.
What do you think is waffling?
Macron: “This is what we’re doing, these are the steps taken to mitigate the damage.”
Johnson: “oh umm, maybe don’t socialise” “what about businesses that will go bust?” “🤷♂️“
You do yourself no favours, as the advice was far stronger than that. You are correct that more needs to be said about what will be done to help businesses.
Well its clearly the message is not getting through as no-one I have spoken to offline knows what the hell they are supposed to be doing or not doing.
Historically both first and last day were counted. So 14 days from now would be “after 15 days” since today is the first day and tomorrow the second day.
Well at least I now have less capital to pay for future care home needs, another area that will come back and bite the government as savings take a hammering.
Unfortunately due to the mortality rate amongst over 70s and especially over 80s there will be rather fewer needing social care going forward
That is truly a disgusting comment. Shame on you
It was a statement of fact prefaced by the word 'unfortunately'
It is simply disgusting and shames you for stating it
There are many of us in the highest risk category doing all we can to isolate ourselves and prevent becoming a burden on the NHS and your insensitivity reflects a seriously unsympathetic attitude to the elderly and life itself
You need to think before you spout such ill considered comments
We all need to be kinder and understanding.
You have a big lesson to learn
? HYUFD was merely stating an undeniable truth.
There`s enough garbage on this forum from some posters without criticising the truth.
I’m not arguing whether the experts are wrong, but the way the information is being presented is poor, and causing unnecessary confusion.
Watch Macron simply tell people how it is. Watch Boris and Trump waffle.
I don't think they're waffling, I think that's harsh, they're saying it as it is.
What do you think is waffling?
Macron: “This is what we’re doing, these are the steps taken to mitigate the damage.”
Johnson: “oh umm, maybe don’t socialise” “what about businesses that will go bust?” “🤷♂️“
You do yourself no favours, as the advice was far stronger than that. You are correct that more needs to be said about what will be done to help businesses.
Well its clearly the message is not getting through as no-one I have spoken to offline knows what the hell they are supposed to be doing or not doing.
Did they watch it? It was pretty clear they want you to reduce social interaction. They aren't banning you from doing it, primarily because people should be responsible, and second it would be a huge drain on resources to enforce it.
Well at least I now have less capital to pay for future care home needs, another area that will come back and bite the government as savings take a hammering.
Unfortunately due to the mortality rate amongst over 70s and especially over 80s there will be rather fewer needing social care going forward
That is truly a disgusting comment. Shame on you
It was a statement of fact prefaced by the word 'unfortunately'
It is simply disgusting and shames you for stating it
There are many of us in the highest risk category doing all we can to isolate ourselves and prevent becoming a burden on the NHS and your insensitivity reflects a seriously unsympathetic attitude to the elderly and life itself
You need to think before you spout such ill considered comments
It is clear that the modellers here think you need many months lockdown.
Yep.
I guess the idea is they initially say 'it's just for two weeks' and then break the news gently that it is for X months, where X is a number that drives me to drink.
I’m on day three and I have to drive for drink everyday! It’s, as yet not too bad, realized last night we’d broken the law by having a couple of friends round for drinks. So we might have to do sundown drinks on skype in future.
I’m not arguing whether the experts are wrong, but the way the information is being presented is poor, and causing unnecessary confusion.
Watch Macron simply tell people how it is. Watch Boris and Trump waffle.
I don't think they're waffling, I think that's harsh, they're saying it as it is.
What do you think is waffling?
Macron: “This is what we’re doing, these are the steps taken to mitigate the damage.”
Johnson: “oh umm, maybe don’t socialise” “what about businesses that will go bust?” “🤷♂️“
You do yourself no favours, as the advice was far stronger than that. You are correct that more needs to be said about what will be done to help businesses.
Well its clearly the message is not getting through as no-one I have spoken to offline knows what the hell they are supposed to be doing or not doing.
The press conference was fine. What the government need to do is fire up the same approach they had for the GE and just repeat the mantras over and over again.
They did will initially with wash your hands stuff, but now they need all ministers all over the media with 4-5 very clear points.
Also, the media need to shut up about "edge cases" as it really just muddies the water.
It is clear that the modellers here think you need many months lockdown.
Yep.
I guess the idea is they initially say 'it's just for two weeks' and then break the news gently that it is for X months, where X is a number that drives me to drink.
On the plus side, if we are going to be effectively locked down for the next year, I have had a tech / business idea I have been wanting to develop, looks like I will have plenty of time to work on it....although not sure there will necessarily be a functioning economy by the time I have it ready.
Also, always talked about picking up learning foreign languages again.
I’m not arguing whether the experts are wrong, but the way the information is being presented is poor, and causing unnecessary confusion.
Watch Macron simply tell people how it is. Watch Boris and Trump waffle.
I don't think they're waffling, I think that's harsh, they're saying it as it is.
What do you think is waffling?
Macron: “This is what we’re doing, these are the steps taken to mitigate the damage.”
Johnson: “oh umm, maybe don’t socialise” “what about businesses that will go bust?” “🤷♂️“
You do yourself no favours, as the advice was far stronger than that. You are correct that more needs to be said about what will be done to help businesses.
Well its clearly the message is not getting through as no-one I have spoken to offline knows what the hell they are supposed to be doing or not doing.
Did they watch it? It was pretty clear they want you to reduce social interaction. They aren't banning you from doing it, primarily because people should be responsible, and second it would be a huge drain on resources to enforce it.
What the hell does “reduce social interaction” mean?
I’m not arguing whether the experts are wrong, but the way the information is being presented is poor, and causing unnecessary confusion.
Watch Macron simply tell people how it is. Watch Boris and Trump waffle.
I don't think they're waffling, I think that's harsh, they're saying it as it is.
What do you think is waffling?
Macron: “This is what we’re doing, these are the steps taken to mitigate the damage.”
Johnson: “oh umm, maybe don’t socialise” “what about businesses that will go bust?” “🤷♂️“
You do yourself no favours, as the advice was far stronger than that. You are correct that more needs to be said about what will be done to help businesses.
Well its clearly the message is not getting through as no-one I have spoken to offline knows what the hell they are supposed to be doing or not doing.
Did they watch it? It was pretty clear they want you to reduce social interaction. They aren't banning you from doing it, primarily because people should be responsible, and second it would be a huge drain on resources to enforce it.
What the hell does “reduce social interaction” mean?
I’m not arguing whether the experts are wrong, but the way the information is being presented is poor, and causing unnecessary confusion.
Watch Macron simply tell people how it is. Watch Boris and Trump waffle.
I don't think they're waffling, I think that's harsh, they're saying it as it is.
What do you think is waffling?
Macron: “This is what we’re doing, these are the steps taken to mitigate the damage.”
Johnson: “oh umm, maybe don’t socialise” “what about businesses that will go bust?” “🤷♂️“
You do yourself no favours, as the advice was far stronger than that. You are correct that more needs to be said about what will be done to help businesses.
Well its clearly the message is not getting through as no-one I have spoken to offline knows what the hell they are supposed to be doing or not doing.
Did they watch it? It was pretty clear they want you to reduce social interaction. They aren't banning you from doing it, primarily because people should be responsible, and second it would be a huge drain on resources to enforce it.
It’s amazing how many more people will comply when it is a legal requirement, plus a few high profile prosecutions and you get 95% compliance.
I’m not arguing whether the experts are wrong, but the way the information is being presented is poor, and causing unnecessary confusion.
Watch Macron simply tell people how it is. Watch Boris and Trump waffle.
I don't think they're waffling, I think that's harsh, they're saying it as it is.
What do you think is waffling?
Macron: “This is what we’re doing, these are the steps taken to mitigate the damage.”
Johnson: “oh umm, maybe don’t socialise” “what about businesses that will go bust?” “🤷♂️“
You do yourself no favours, as the advice was far stronger than that. You are correct that more needs to be said about what will be done to help businesses.
Well its clearly the message is not getting through as no-one I have spoken to offline knows what the hell they are supposed to be doing or not doing.
Did they watch it? It was pretty clear they want you to reduce social interaction. They aren't banning you from doing it, primarily because people should be responsible, and second it would be a huge drain on resources to enforce it.
What the hell does “reduce social interaction” mean?
It means they're recommending against unnecessary social gatherings and expecting the British public to think and be responsible.
Historically both first and last day were counted. So 14 days from now would be “after 15 days” since today is the first day and tomorrow the second day.
It was a joke...there is a British comedian who is well known in France called Paul Taylor who does a good bit about it.
I’m not arguing whether the experts are wrong, but the way the information is being presented is poor, and causing unnecessary confusion.
Watch Macron simply tell people how it is. Watch Boris and Trump waffle.
I don't think they're waffling, I think that's harsh, they're saying it as it is.
What do you think is waffling?
Macron: “This is what we’re doing, these are the steps taken to mitigate the damage.”
Johnson: “oh umm, maybe don’t socialise” “what about businesses that will go bust?” “🤷♂️“
You do yourself no favours, as the advice was far stronger than that. You are correct that more needs to be said about what will be done to help businesses.
Well its clearly the message is not getting through as no-one I have spoken to offline knows what the hell they are supposed to be doing or not doing.
Did they watch it? It was pretty clear they want you to reduce social interaction. They aren't banning you from doing it, primarily because people should be responsible, and second it would be a huge drain on resources to enforce it.
What the hell does “reduce social interaction” mean?
I’m not arguing whether the experts are wrong, but the way the information is being presented is poor, and causing unnecessary confusion.
Watch Macron simply tell people how it is. Watch Boris and Trump waffle.
I don't think they're waffling, I think that's harsh, they're saying it as it is.
What do you think is waffling?
Macron: “This is what we’re doing, these are the steps taken to mitigate the damage.”
Johnson: “oh umm, maybe don’t socialise” “what about businesses that will go bust?” “🤷♂️“
You do yourself no favours, as the advice was far stronger than that. You are correct that more needs to be said about what will be done to help businesses.
Well its clearly the message is not getting through as no-one I have spoken to offline knows what the hell they are supposed to be doing or not doing.
Did they watch it? It was pretty clear they want you to reduce social interaction. They aren't banning you from doing it, primarily because people should be responsible, and second it would be a huge drain on resources to enforce it.
It’s amazing how many more people will comply when it is a legal requirement, plus a few high profile prosecutions and you get 95% compliance.
Depends what the compliance rate is when it's voluntary. You might not need to go that far.
I’m not arguing whether the experts are wrong, but the way the information is being presented is poor, and causing unnecessary confusion.
Watch Macron simply tell people how it is. Watch Boris and Trump waffle.
I don't think they're waffling, I think that's harsh, they're saying it as it is.
What do you think is waffling?
Macron: “This is what we’re doing, these are the steps taken to mitigate the damage.”
Johnson: “oh umm, maybe don’t socialise” “what about businesses that will go bust?” “🤷♂️“
You do yourself no favours, as the advice was far stronger than that. You are correct that more needs to be said about what will be done to help businesses.
Well its clearly the message is not getting through as no-one I have spoken to offline knows what the hell they are supposed to be doing or not doing.
Did they watch it? It was pretty clear they want you to reduce social interaction. They aren't banning you from doing it, primarily because people should be responsible, and second it would be a huge drain on resources to enforce it.
What the hell does “reduce social interaction” mean?
Seriously? Not socialising with other people.
So you’ve made the leap from ‘reduce’ to ‘none’. Do you not see the problem here?
It does seem like the PBers who were sceptical of the government’s position last week have been proved right (that’s not me - I was neutral)
I take no great satisfaction from that. We perhaps wasted a week, and at the speed this thing is moving, that is not insignificant, but these are not easy calls - especially when you don’t have the particular information infrastructure of a Taiwan or Korea.
There are some grounds for optimism - a cheap and reliable blood test for antibodies to the virus would give us a far better idea of numbers, and also which people are now probably safe from it, having been infected and recovered. The percentage of asymptomatic infected is the biggest single uncertainty.
I’m not arguing whether the experts are wrong, but the way the information is being presented is poor, and causing unnecessary confusion.
Watch Macron simply tell people how it is. Watch Boris and Trump waffle.
I don't think they're waffling, I think that's harsh, they're saying it as it is.
What do you think is waffling?
Macron: “This is what we’re doing, these are the steps taken to mitigate the damage.”
Johnson: “oh umm, maybe don’t socialise” “what about businesses that will go bust?” “🤷♂️“
You do yourself no favours, as the advice was far stronger than that. You are correct that more needs to be said about what will be done to help businesses.
Well its clearly the message is not getting through as no-one I have spoken to offline knows what the hell they are supposed to be doing or not doing.
Did they watch it? It was pretty clear they want you to reduce social interaction. They aren't banning you from doing it, primarily because people should be responsible, and second it would be a huge drain on resources to enforce it.
What the hell does “reduce social interaction” mean?
I’m not arguing whether the experts are wrong, but the way the information is being presented is poor, and causing unnecessary confusion.
Watch Macron simply tell people how it is. Watch Boris and Trump waffle.
I don't think they're waffling, I think that's harsh, they're saying it as it is.
What do you think is waffling?
Macron: “This is what we’re doing, these are the steps taken to mitigate the damage.”
Johnson: “oh umm, maybe don’t socialise” “what about businesses that will go bust?” “🤷♂️“
You do yourself no favours, as the advice was far stronger than that. You are correct that more needs to be said about what will be done to help businesses.
Well its clearly the message is not getting through as no-one I have spoken to offline knows what the hell they are supposed to be doing or not doing.
Did they watch it? It was pretty clear they want you to reduce social interaction. They aren't banning you from doing it, primarily because people should be responsible, and second it would be a huge drain on resources to enforce it.
It’s amazing how many more people will comply when it is a legal requirement, plus a few high profile prosecutions and you get 95% compliance.
It's amazing how many people will comply when you treat people like adults. Prosecutions at this stage are an unnecessary waste of resources, we're not a nation of toddlers.
I’m not arguing whether the experts are wrong, but the way the information is being presented is poor, and causing unnecessary confusion.
Watch Macron simply tell people how it is. Watch Boris and Trump waffle.
I don't think they're waffling, I think that's harsh, they're saying it as it is.
What do you think is waffling?
Macron: “This is what we’re doing, these are the steps taken to mitigate the damage.”
Johnson: “oh umm, maybe don’t socialise” “what about businesses that will go bust?” “🤷♂️“
You do yourself no favours, as the advice was far stronger than that. You are correct that more needs to be said about what will be done to help businesses.
Well its clearly the message is not getting through as no-one I have spoken to offline knows what the hell they are supposed to be doing or not doing.
Did they watch it? It was pretty clear they want you to reduce social interaction. They aren't banning you from doing it, primarily because people should be responsible, and second it would be a huge drain on resources to enforce it.
What the hell does “reduce social interaction” mean?
Seriously? Not socialising with other people.
So you’ve made the leap from ‘reduce’ to ‘none’. Do you not see the problem here?
Only if socialising is your only social interaction. I don't socialise with the checkout attendant, for example.
I’m not arguing whether the experts are wrong, but the way the information is being presented is poor, and causing unnecessary confusion.
Watch Macron simply tell people how it is. Watch Boris and Trump waffle.
I don't think they're waffling, I think that's harsh, they're saying it as it is.
What do you think is waffling?
Macron: “This is what we’re doing, these are the steps taken to mitigate the damage.”
Johnson: “oh umm, maybe don’t socialise” “what about businesses that will go bust?” “🤷♂️“
You do yourself no favours, as the advice was far stronger than that. You are correct that more needs to be said about what will be done to help businesses.
Well its clearly the message is not getting through as no-one I have spoken to offline knows what the hell they are supposed to be doing or not doing.
Did they watch it? It was pretty clear they want you to reduce social interaction. They aren't banning you from doing it, primarily because people should be responsible, and second it would be a huge drain on resources to enforce it.
What the hell does “reduce social interaction” mean?
Come on man, you aren't a dummy.
Well considering there’s been 3 different interpretations on here of that exact statement in the past 5 minutes...
Fucking hell. This is a nightmare. This is a world war calamity.
Imagine if we had a decisive government that had done what was needed before it was too late.
Sadly, it became too late many weeks ago - and it really needed a global shutdown of air travel. The last few days has been about which form of disaster we'd like.
I’m not arguing whether the experts are wrong, but the way the information is being presented is poor, and causing unnecessary confusion.
Watch Macron simply tell people how it is. Watch Boris and Trump waffle.
I don't think they're waffling, I think that's harsh, they're saying it as it is.
What do you think is waffling?
Macron: “This is what we’re doing, these are the steps taken to mitigate the damage.”
Johnson: “oh umm, maybe don’t socialise” “what about businesses that will go bust?” “🤷♂️“
You do yourself no favours, as the advice was far stronger than that. You are correct that more needs to be said about what will be done to help businesses.
Well its clearly the message is not getting through as no-one I have spoken to offline knows what the hell they are supposed to be doing or not doing.
Did they watch it? It was pretty clear they want you to reduce social interaction. They aren't banning you from doing it, primarily because people should be responsible, and second it would be a huge drain on resources to enforce it.
What the hell does “reduce social interaction” mean?
Seriously? Not socialising with other people.
I think the government have to give it a few days, see if people are taking it seriously. If it looks like a significant number are taking the piss, then they'll have to get tough.
I’m not arguing whether the experts are wrong, but the way the information is being presented is poor, and causing unnecessary confusion.
Watch Macron simply tell people how it is. Watch Boris and Trump waffle.
I don't think they're waffling, I think that's harsh, they're saying it as it is.
What do you think is waffling?
Macron: “This is what we’re doing, these are the steps taken to mitigate the damage.”
Johnson: “oh umm, maybe don’t socialise” “what about businesses that will go bust?” “🤷♂️“
You do yourself no favours, as the advice was far stronger than that. You are correct that more needs to be said about what will be done to help businesses.
Well its clearly the message is not getting through as no-one I have spoken to offline knows what the hell they are supposed to be doing or not doing.
Did they watch it? It was pretty clear they want you to reduce social interaction. They aren't banning you from doing it, primarily because people should be responsible, and second it would be a huge drain on resources to enforce it.
What the hell does “reduce social interaction” mean?
Come on man, you aren't a dummy.
Well considering there’s been 3 different interpretations on here of that exact statement in the past 5 minutes...
But it is quite obvious what the intent of the advice is. They aren't exactly advising you to have more parties are they?
I’m not arguing whether the experts are wrong, but the way the information is being presented is poor, and causing unnecessary confusion.
Watch Macron simply tell people how it is. Watch Boris and Trump waffle.
I don't think they're waffling, I think that's harsh, they're saying it as it is.
What do you think is waffling?
Macron: “This is what we’re doing, these are the steps taken to mitigate the damage.”
Johnson: “oh umm, maybe don’t socialise” “what about businesses that will go bust?” “🤷♂️“
You do yourself no favours, as the advice was far stronger than that. You are correct that more needs to be said about what will be done to help businesses.
Well its clearly the message is not getting through as no-one I have spoken to offline knows what the hell they are supposed to be doing or not doing.
Did they watch it? It was pretty clear they want you to reduce social interaction. They aren't banning you from doing it, primarily because people should be responsible, and second it would be a huge drain on resources to enforce it.
What the hell does “reduce social interaction” mean?
Seriously? Not socialising with other people.
So you’ve made the leap from ‘reduce’ to ‘none’. Do you not see the problem here?
Only if socialising is your only social interaction. I don't socialise with the checkout attendant, for example.
I’m not arguing whether the experts are wrong, but the way the information is being presented is poor, and causing unnecessary confusion.
Watch Macron simply tell people how it is. Watch Boris and Trump waffle.
I don't think they're waffling, I think that's harsh, they're saying it as it is.
What do you think is waffling?
Macron: “This is what we’re doing, these are the steps taken to mitigate the damage.”
Johnson: “oh umm, maybe don’t socialise” “what about businesses that will go bust?” “🤷♂️“
You do yourself no favours, as the advice was far stronger than that. You are correct that more needs to be said about what will be done to help businesses.
I think that’s fair comment by Rob actually. The advice as given in the press conference itself was pretty clear, and pretty strong. The media’s presentation of it at 1800hours was a bit rushed and muddy. But, that might improve by 2200. My friends still think it’s fine to hold a big house party. I have made bearish noises, but I don’t have the heart to go further. I think the penny will drop by morning.
I’m not arguing whether the experts are wrong, but the way the information is being presented is poor, and causing unnecessary confusion.
Watch Macron simply tell people how it is. Watch Boris and Trump waffle.
I don't think they're waffling, I think that's harsh, they're saying it as it is.
What do you think is waffling?
Macron: “This is what we’re doing, these are the steps taken to mitigate the damage.”
Johnson: “oh umm, maybe don’t socialise” “what about businesses that will go bust?” “🤷♂️“
You do yourself no favours, as the advice was far stronger than that. You are correct that more needs to be said about what will be done to help businesses.
Well its clearly the message is not getting through as no-one I have spoken to offline knows what the hell they are supposed to be doing or not doing.
Did they watch it? It was pretty clear they want you to reduce social interaction. They aren't banning you from doing it, primarily because people should be responsible, and second it would be a huge drain on resources to enforce it.
What the hell does “reduce social interaction” mean?
To be honest I cannot see how anyone has a problem understanding that
I’m not arguing whether the experts are wrong, but the way the information is being presented is poor, and causing unnecessary confusion.
Watch Macron simply tell people how it is. Watch Boris and Trump waffle.
I don't think they're waffling, I think that's harsh, they're saying it as it is.
What do you think is waffling?
Macron: “This is what we’re doing, these are the steps taken to mitigate the damage.”
Johnson: “oh umm, maybe don’t socialise” “what about businesses that will go bust?” “🤷♂️“
You do yourself no favours, as the advice was far stronger than that. You are correct that more needs to be said about what will be done to help businesses.
Well its clearly the message is not getting through as no-one I have spoken to offline knows what the hell they are supposed to be doing or not doing.
Did they watch it? It was pretty clear they want you to reduce social interaction. They aren't banning you from doing it, primarily because people should be responsible, and second it would be a huge drain on resources to enforce it.
What the hell does “reduce social interaction” mean?
Seriously? Not socialising with other people.
So you’ve made the leap from ‘reduce’ to ‘none’. Do you not see the problem here?
Only if socialising is your only social interaction. I don't socialise with the checkout attendant, for example.
No vaccine or massive break through and we are all f##ked.
Routine testing. Those that test negative can go about their daily business, while sporadic outbreaks can be picked up quickly. But you need to keep/get the epidemic under control first, hence the requirement for an immediate and comprehensive lockdown.
Asian countries called this right, I believe. They had the experience of SARS
People on Twitter who pointed out the success of Taiwan were ignored or criticised. Still, better late than never. Maybe Cummings reads Twitter.
No vaccine or massive break through and we are all f##ked.
I've heard chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine (a relatively cheap and widely available anti-malaria drug) is looking quite promising as a treatment in clinical trials so that might be something while we wait for a vaccine...
Hence why private sales of those were banned a week or so back.
That RA drug also sounds promising as a cure,
Neither that or chloroquine are cures. They may have efficacy in lessening the most severe symptoms - the extent of that is currently unknown.
I’m not arguing whether the experts are wrong, but the way the information is being presented is poor, and causing unnecessary confusion.
Watch Macron simply tell people how it is. Watch Boris and Trump waffle.
I don't think they're waffling, I think that's harsh, they're saying it as it is.
What do you think is waffling?
Macron: “This is what we’re doing, these are the steps taken to mitigate the damage.”
Johnson: “oh umm, maybe don’t socialise” “what about businesses that will go bust?” “🤷♂️“
You do yourself no favours, as the advice was far stronger than that. You are correct that more needs to be said about what will be done to help businesses.
Well its clearly the message is not getting through as no-one I have spoken to offline knows what the hell they are supposed to be doing or not doing.
Did they watch it? It was pretty clear they want you to reduce social interaction. They aren't banning you from doing it, primarily because people should be responsible, and second it would be a huge drain on resources to enforce it.
It’s amazing how many more people will comply when it is a legal requirement, plus a few high profile prosecutions and you get 95% compliance.
It's amazing how many people will comply when you treat people like adults. Prosecutions at this stage are an unnecessary waste of resources, we're not a nation of toddlers.
I’m afraid many of you are the same people who panic buy, steal hand sanitizer from hospitals etc etc
I’m not arguing whether the experts are wrong, but the way the information is being presented is poor, and causing unnecessary confusion.
Watch Macron simply tell people how it is. Watch Boris and Trump waffle.
I don't think they're waffling, I think that's harsh, they're saying it as it is.
What do you think is waffling?
Macron: “This is what we’re doing, these are the steps taken to mitigate the damage.”
Johnson: “oh umm, maybe don’t socialise” “what about businesses that will go bust?” “🤷♂️“
You do yourself no favours, as the advice was far stronger than that. You are correct that more needs to be said about what will be done to help businesses.
Well its clearly the message is not getting through as no-one I have spoken to offline knows what the hell they are supposed to be doing or not doing.
Did they watch it? It was pretty clear they want you to reduce social interaction. They aren't banning you from doing it, primarily because people should be responsible, and second it would be a huge drain on resources to enforce it.
What the hell does “reduce social interaction” mean?
To be honest I cannot see how anyone has a problem understanding that
Well answer my question then:
Does it mean reduce, or does it mean zero social interaction outside those who live within your home?
I’m not arguing whether the experts are wrong, but the way the information is being presented is poor, and causing unnecessary confusion.
Watch Macron simply tell people how it is. Watch Boris and Trump waffle.
I don't think they're waffling, I think that's harsh, they're saying it as it is.
What do you think is waffling?
Macron: “This is what we’re doing, these are the steps taken to mitigate the damage.”
Johnson: “oh umm, maybe don’t socialise” “what about businesses that will go bust?” “🤷♂️“
You do yourself no favours, as the advice was far stronger than that. You are correct that more needs to be said about what will be done to help businesses.
Well its clearly the message is not getting through as no-one I have spoken to offline knows what the hell they are supposed to be doing or not doing.
Did they watch it? It was pretty clear they want you to reduce social interaction. They aren't banning you from doing it, primarily because people should be responsible, and second it would be a huge drain on resources to enforce it.
What the hell does “reduce social interaction” mean?
Come on man, you aren't a dummy.
Well considering there’s been 3 different interpretations on here of that exact statement in the past 5 minutes...
No there's been 3 different people explaining the obvious to a pedantic fool who does not want to see the obvious.
I’m not arguing whether the experts are wrong, but the way the information is being presented is poor, and causing unnecessary confusion.
Watch Macron simply tell people how it is. Watch Boris and Trump waffle.
I don't think they're waffling, I think that's harsh, they're saying it as it is.
What do you think is waffling?
Macron: “This is what we’re doing, these are the steps taken to mitigate the damage.”
Johnson: “oh umm, maybe don’t socialise” “what about businesses that will go bust?” “🤷♂️“
You do yourself no favours, as the advice was far stronger than that. You are correct that more needs to be said about what will be done to help businesses.
I think that’s fair comment by Rob actually. The advice as given in the press conference itself was pretty clear, and pretty strong. The media’s presentation of it at 1800hours was a bit rushed and muddy. But, that might improve by 2200. My friends still think it’s fine to hold a big house party. I have made bearish noises, but I don’t have the heart to go further. I think the penny will drop by morning.
The press conference was fine. The media aren't doing their part and the government need to deploy the same sort approach as during the GE, wall to wall consistent message raising 4-5 key points. And the media have to stop this ridiculous what about a 69 year old marathon runner who tuns 70 in 3 weeks, will he be locked up if he refuses to isolate?
I’m not arguing whether the experts are wrong, but the way the information is being presented is poor, and causing unnecessary confusion.
Watch Macron simply tell people how it is. Watch Boris and Trump waffle.
I don't think they're waffling, I think that's harsh, they're saying it as it is.
What do you think is waffling?
Macron: “This is what we’re doing, these are the steps taken to mitigate the damage.”
Johnson: “oh umm, maybe don’t socialise” “what about businesses that will go bust?” “🤷♂️“
You do yourself no favours, as the advice was far stronger than that. You are correct that more needs to be said about what will be done to help businesses.
Well its clearly the message is not getting through as no-one I have spoken to offline knows what the hell they are supposed to be doing or not doing.
Did they watch it? It was pretty clear they want you to reduce social interaction. They aren't banning you from doing it, primarily because people should be responsible, and second it would be a huge drain on resources to enforce it.
What the hell does “reduce social interaction” mean?
To be honest I cannot see how anyone has a problem understanding that
Well answer my question then:
Does it mean reduce, or does it mean zero social interaction outside those who live within your home?
That's a decision for you. The government are advising you stop all unnecessary interaction, but ultimately you are responsible for making that decision.
I’m not arguing whether the experts are wrong, but the way the information is being presented is poor, and causing unnecessary confusion.
Watch Macron simply tell people how it is. Watch Boris and Trump waffle.
I don't think they're waffling, I think that's harsh, they're saying it as it is.
What do you think is waffling?
Macron: “This is what we’re doing, these are the steps taken to mitigate the damage.”
Johnson: “oh umm, maybe don’t socialise” “what about businesses that will go bust?” “🤷♂️“
You do yourself no favours, as the advice was far stronger than that. You are correct that more needs to be said about what will be done to help businesses.
Well its clearly the message is not getting through as no-one I have spoken to offline knows what the hell they are supposed to be doing or not doing.
Did they watch it? It was pretty clear they want you to reduce social interaction. They aren't banning you from doing it, primarily because people should be responsible, and second it would be a huge drain on resources to enforce it.
What the hell does “reduce social interaction” mean?
To be honest I cannot see how anyone has a problem understanding that
Well answer my question then:
Does it mean reduce, or does it mean zero social interaction outside those who live within your home?
It means reduce, its not a ban. Avoid unnecessary social interactions but treating the public as sentient thinking grown ups.
I’m not arguing whether the experts are wrong, but the way the information is being presented is poor, and causing unnecessary confusion.
Watch Macron simply tell people how it is. Watch Boris and Trump waffle.
I don't think they're waffling, I think that's harsh, they're saying it as it is.
What do you think is waffling?
Macron: “This is what we’re doing, these are the steps taken to mitigate the damage.”
Johnson: “oh umm, maybe don’t socialise” “what about businesses that will go bust?” “🤷♂️“
You do yourself no favours, as the advice was far stronger than that. You are correct that more needs to be said about what will be done to help businesses.
Well its clearly the message is not getting through as no-one I have spoken to offline knows what the hell they are supposed to be doing or not doing.
Did they watch it? It was pretty clear they want you to reduce social interaction. They aren't banning you from doing it, primarily because people should be responsible, and second it would be a huge drain on resources to enforce it.
What the hell does “reduce social interaction” mean?
Come on man, you aren't a dummy.
Well considering there’s been 3 different interpretations on here of that exact statement in the past 5 minutes...
No there's been 3 different people explaining the obvious to a pedantic fool who does not want to see the obvious.
Don’t act surprised when people don’t do as you expect. I’m merely expressing common confusion between my friends and family.
Well at least I now have less capital to pay for future care home needs, another area that will come back and bite the government as savings take a hammering.
Unfortunately due to the mortality rate amongst over 70s and especially over 80s there will be rather fewer needing social care going forward
That is truly a disgusting comment. Shame on you
Anyone who says that Jeremy Corbyn will have to self isolate is the best thing about Corona Virus forfeits the right to take the high moral ground imo
I’m not arguing whether the experts are wrong, but the way the information is being presented is poor, and causing unnecessary confusion.
Watch Macron simply tell people how it is. Watch Boris and Trump waffle.
I don't think they're waffling, I think that's harsh, they're saying it as it is.
What do you think is waffling?
Macron: “This is what we’re doing, these are the steps taken to mitigate the damage.”
Johnson: “oh umm, maybe don’t socialise” “what about businesses that will go bust?” “🤷♂️“
You do yourself no favours, as the advice was far stronger than that. You are correct that more needs to be said about what will be done to help businesses.
Well its clearly the message is not getting through as no-one I have spoken to offline knows what the hell they are supposed to be doing or not doing.
Did they watch it? It was pretty clear they want you to reduce social interaction. They aren't banning you from doing it, primarily because people should be responsible, and second it would be a huge drain on resources to enforce it.
What the hell does “reduce social interaction” mean?
To be honest I cannot see how anyone has a problem understanding that
Well answer my question then:
Does it mean reduce, or does it mean zero social interaction outside those who live within your home?
It means reduce, its not a ban. Avoid unnecessary social interactions but treating the public as sentient thinking grown ups.
I’m not arguing whether the experts are wrong, but the way the information is being presented is poor, and causing unnecessary confusion.
Watch Macron simply tell people how it is. Watch Boris and Trump waffle.
I don't think they're waffling, I think that's harsh, they're saying it as it is.
What do you think is waffling?
Macron: “This is what we’re doing, these are the steps taken to mitigate the damage.”
Johnson: “oh umm, maybe don’t socialise” “what about businesses that will go bust?” “🤷♂️“
You do yourself no favours, as the advice was far stronger than that. You are correct that more needs to be said about what will be done to help businesses.
Well its clearly the message is not getting through as no-one I have spoken to offline knows what the hell they are supposed to be doing or not doing.
Did they watch it? It was pretty clear they want you to reduce social interaction. They aren't banning you from doing it, primarily because people should be responsible, and second it would be a huge drain on resources to enforce it.
What the hell does “reduce social interaction” mean?
To be honest I cannot see how anyone has a problem understanding that
Well answer my question then:
Does it mean reduce, or does it mean zero social interaction outside those who live within your home?
It means reduce, its not a ban. Avoid unnecessary social interactions but treating the public as sentient thinking grown ups.
What is a “necessary” social interaction?
Does the government have to tell you exactly how to run your life or something? You have to make a judgement yourself on this. A necessary interaction might be buying groceries, or visiting someone who is on their deathbed. It's not going for a piss up down the pub.
I’m not arguing whether the experts are wrong, but the way the information is being presented is poor, and causing unnecessary confusion.
Watch Macron simply tell people how it is. Watch Boris and Trump waffle.
I don't think they're waffling, I think that's harsh, they're saying it as it is.
What do you think is waffling?
Macron: “This is what we’re doing, these are the steps taken to mitigate the damage.”
Johnson: “oh umm, maybe don’t socialise” “what about businesses that will go bust?” “🤷♂️“
You do yourself no favours, as the advice was far stronger than that. You are correct that more needs to be said about what will be done to help businesses.
Well its clearly the message is not getting through as no-one I have spoken to offline knows what the hell they are supposed to be doing or not doing.
The press conference was fine. What the government need to do is fire up the same approach they had for the GE and just repeat the mantras over and over again.
They did will initially with wash your hands stuff, but now they need all ministers all over the media with 4-5 very clear points.
Also, the media need to shut up about "edge cases" as it really just muddies the water.
The media will do what they do. An effective communications effort would solve most of that. (The Taiwanese vice president appeared every day on TV right at the start of the outbreak for a couple of weeks. He does have the advantage of being an epidemiologist, though.)
I’m not arguing whether the experts are wrong, but the way the information is being presented is poor, and causing unnecessary confusion.
Watch Macron simply tell people how it is. Watch Boris and Trump waffle.
I don't think they're waffling, I think that's harsh, they're saying it as it is.
What do you think is waffling?
Macron: “This is what we’re doing, these are the steps taken to mitigate the damage.”
Johnson: “oh umm, maybe don’t socialise” “what about businesses that will go bust?” “🤷♂️“
You do yourself no favours, as the advice was far stronger than that. You are correct that more needs to be said about what will be done to help businesses.
Well its clearly the message is not getting through as no-one I have spoken to offline knows what the hell they are supposed to be doing or not doing.
Did they watch it? It was pretty clear they want you to reduce social interaction. They aren't banning you from doing it, primarily because people should be responsible, and second it would be a huge drain on resources to enforce it.
What the hell does “reduce social interaction” mean?
I’m not arguing whether the experts are wrong, but the way the information is being presented is poor, and causing unnecessary confusion.
Watch Macron simply tell people how it is. Watch Boris and Trump waffle.
I don't think they're waffling, I think that's harsh, they're saying it as it is.
What do you think is waffling?
Macron: “This is what we’re doing, these are the steps taken to mitigate the damage.”
Johnson: “oh umm, maybe don’t socialise” “what about businesses that will go bust?” “🤷♂️“
You do yourself no favours, as the advice was far stronger than that. You are correct that more needs to be said about what will be done to help businesses.
I think that’s fair comment by Rob actually. The advice as given in the press conference itself was pretty clear, and pretty strong. The media’s presentation of it at 1800hours was a bit rushed and muddy. But, that might improve by 2200. My friends still think it’s fine to hold a big house party. I have made bearish noises, but I don’t have the heart to go further. I think the penny will drop by morning.
The press conference was fine. The media aren't doing their part and the government need to deploy the same sort approach as during the GE, wall to wall consistent message raising 4-5 key points. And the media have to stop this ridiculous what about a 69 year old marathon runner who tuns 70 in 3 weeks, will he be locked up if he refuses to isolate?
Probably, your immune system isn't completely coterminus with your cardiovascular system. I mean s/he'll have a better prognosis than an unfit 69 or 70 year old but their cell dna is still 70 yrs old.
I’m not arguing whether the experts are wrong, but the way the information is being presented is poor, and causing unnecessary confusion.
Watch Macron simply tell people how it is. Watch Boris and Trump waffle.
I don't think they're waffling, I think that's harsh, they're saying it as it is.
What do you think is waffling?
Macron: “This is what we’re doing, these are the steps taken to mitigate the damage.”
Johnson: “oh umm, maybe don’t socialise” “what about businesses that will go bust?” “🤷♂️“
You do yourself no favours, as the advice was far stronger than that. You are correct that more needs to be said about what will be done to help businesses.
Well its clearly the message is not getting through as no-one I have spoken to offline knows what the hell they are supposed to be doing or not doing.
Did they watch it? It was pretty clear they want you to reduce social interaction. They aren't banning you from doing it, primarily because people should be responsible, and second it would be a huge drain on resources to enforce it.
What the hell does “reduce social interaction” mean?
To be honest I cannot see how anyone has a problem understanding that
Well answer my question then:
Does it mean reduce, or does it mean zero social interaction outside those who live within your home?
It means reduce, its not a ban. Avoid unnecessary social interactions but treating the public as sentient thinking grown ups.
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Obviously I think the West should have gone in to full-on collective panic mode in January, but the globe trotting elite are so powerful, we can't stop them flying all around the world.
Macron says “war” - and people are swooning...
Watch Macron simply tell people how it is. Watch Boris and Trump waffle.
What on earth has happened to the format of Vanilla?
What do you suggest?
It doesn't bear thinking about though.
What do you think is waffling?
https://twitter.com/peston/status/1239639759259140098
So if you are critical I assume you are going to attack the nations first ministers as well as Boris
I have had several offers of help if people are in the same area.
Humbling.
Johnson: “oh umm, maybe don’t socialise” “what about businesses that will go bust?” “🤷♂️“
He is also in the at risk category but you can sugar coat it as much as you like but you cannot get away from the fact what I said was a statement of fact even if an undesirable one (though most over 70s and over 80s should survive on the positive side they will be more at risk on the negative side).
I guess the idea is they initially say 'it's just for two weeks' and then break the news gently that it is for X months, where X is a number that drives me to drink.
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There`s enough garbage on this forum from some posters without criticising the truth.
He was right.
30b stimulus is also an irrelevance.
They did will initially with wash your hands stuff, but now they need all ministers all over the media with 4-5 very clear points.
Also, the media need to shut up about "edge cases" as it really just muddies the water.
For God's sake put Biden in quarantine now for six months.
Also, always talked about picking up learning foreign languages again.
We perhaps wasted a week, and at the speed this thing is moving, that is not insignificant, but these are not easy calls - especially when you don’t have the particular information infrastructure of a Taiwan or Korea.
There are some grounds for optimism - a cheap and reliable blood test for antibodies to the virus would give us a far better idea of numbers, and also which people are now probably safe from it, having been infected and recovered. The percentage of asymptomatic infected is the biggest single uncertainty.
We are going to do a China and we may need to do it for 18 months.
Does it mean reduce, or does it mean zero social interaction outside those who live within your home?
I'm not sure these infectious disease models take into account general equilibrium.
"stop ALL 'non-essential' social contact for 12 weeks"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8117911/Boris-Johnson-grilled-experts-warn-lack-coronavirus-testing.html
If you have to go to work, go, if not work from home. And no going to the pub, cafe, having people round for no reason, etc.
An effective communications effort would solve most of that.
(The Taiwanese vice president appeared every day on TV right at the start of the outbreak for a couple of weeks. He does have the advantage of being an epidemiologist, though.)
I see your cat now has an avatar on PB. Presumably he is frontrunner for the new Minister of Virus Defence job?
I mean s/he'll have a better prognosis than an unfit 69 or 70 year old but their cell dna is still 70 yrs old.
This has sent me straight back into the pits of despair and depression.