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  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    First!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,225
    IanB2 said:

    First!

    That's the best time to be infected.

    Downhill all the way after that. :smile:
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139
    edited March 2020
    Boris has a net favourable rating of +43% with Leavers and -59% with Remainers.

    Starmer has a net favourable rating of +6%, Long Bailey of -18% and Nandy of +1%.

    Starmer is most favoured by Remainers on +29% followed by Labour voters on +27%. Starmer is least favoured by Leavers on -13%, followed by Tory voters on -8%


    https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/boris-johnsons-honeymoon-slips
  • BJ sucks right?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    DJIA off over 2000 pts :o.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited March 2020
    Experts are predicting a hotter-than-normal spring as temperatures could climb to a 23C next month.
  • Trump needs to do something to reverse that - and fast.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    "Having a gradual decline in overall favourability following an election outcome isn’t unsurprising."

    Is that correct use of a double negative?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119

    Trump needs to do something to reverse that - and fast.

    Every time he opens his mouth he makes it worse. His address last night showed a scared man without a clue what to do, the exact opposite of what you want in a leader.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,436

    Experts are predicting a hotter-than-normal spring as temperatures could climb to a 23C next month.

    Is that experts or "experts"?
  • FPT

    Not exactly news but Trump's an arse isn't he?

    What a pity that he set the DOW as the measure of how great a president he is.
    The thing that scares me, even more so than covid-19, is if Trump loses in November, he's not going to go quietly he is?

    He might end up salting the ground so badly, even more damaging than when the Rome salted Carthage.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    edited March 2020

    Trump needs to do something to reverse that - and fast.

    His resignation would probably add 3000 Pts instantly
  • HYUFD said:

    Boris has a net favourable rating of +43% with Leavers and -59% with Remainers.

    Starmer has a net favourable rating of +6%, Long Bailey of -18% and Nandy of +1%.

    Starmer is most favoured by Remainers on +29% followed by Labour voters on +27%. Starmer is least favoured by Leavers on -13%, followed by Tory voters on -8%


    https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/boris-johnsons-honeymoon-slips

    In terms of Starmer, there are huge numbers of don't knows so his numbers have scope to improve or decline sharply when voters get to know him better.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139
    edited March 2020

    Experts are predicting a hotter-than-normal spring as temperatures could climb to a 23C next month.

    Could cut Covid19 cases then in a month
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,837

    FPT

    Not exactly news but Trump's an arse isn't he?

    What a pity that he set the DOW as the measure of how great a president he is.
    The thing that scares me, even more so than covid-19, is if Trump loses in November, he's not going to go quietly he is?

    He might end up salting the ground so badly, even more damaging than when the Rome salted Carthage.
    Elections would be too risky from a public health perspective so its delayed until 2028. Or need to be held electronically securely via TrumpVote.com (TM).
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    FPT

    IanB2 said:

    Whoever it was that was going to start buying below FTSE 5400.....

    Thats me! I have closed some of my spread option sells so getting longer gradually. I think fair value closer to 6000.

    Dow feels way too high compared to FTSE now.
    A relatively safe trading position right now might be to buy a point on the FTSE and sell half a point on the Dow
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    "Having a gradual decline in overall favourability following an election outcome isn’t unsurprising."

    Is that correct use of a double negative?

    If what he is trying to say is that's it's no surprise, then no.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Anyhow, laters
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,837

    Pulpstar said:

    DJIA off over 2000 pts :o.

    On the plus side, I can stop worrying about breaching the pension lifetime allowance.
    Will anyone think of the impact on pension advisors and inheritance tax planners?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139

    Pulpstar said:

    DJIA off over 2000 pts :o.

    On the plus side, I can stop worrying about breaching the pension lifetime allowance.
    Will anyone think of the impact on pension advisors and inheritance tax planners?
    For most people with assets under £1 million their estate will not be liable for inheritance tax
  • What will cause the most Consternation and Uproar?

    Shagger announces schools to close in line with everyone else?
    Shagger announces schools are staying open, stuff upper lip and all that?
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    alex_ said:

    Trump needs to do something to reverse that - and fast.

    His resignation would probably add 3000 Pts instantly
    This is where we get to see who's really in charge, the president or the lizard people. Now that he's costing rich people real money, do they have the power to get rid of him?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119

    twitter.com/georgebowden/status/1238103312597213184

    Its a good job there wasn't twitter during WWII....
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Of all the countries in Europe the U.K. (well England certainly) seems to be the only one following a plan and sticking to it. Hope it’s a good one!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    HYUFD said:

    Boris has a net favourable rating of +43% with Leavers and -59% with Remainers.

    Starmer has a net favourable rating of +6%, Long Bailey of -18% and Nandy of +1%.

    Starmer is most favoured by Remainers on +29% followed by Labour voters on +27%. Starmer is least favoured by Leavers on -13%, followed by Tory voters on -8%


    https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/boris-johnsons-honeymoon-slips

    71% of housewives in East Lancashire and 81% in Hertfordshire expressed an interest in the concept of exotic ice-creams.

    Only 8% in Hertfordshire and 14% in Lancashire expressed positive hostility, whilst 5% expressed latent hostility.

    In Hertfordshire, 96% of the 50% who formed 20% of consumer spending were in favour.

    0.6% told us where we could put our exotic ice creams.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,225

    "Having a gradual decline in overall favourability following an election outcome isn’t unsurprising."

    Is that correct use of a double negative?

    "Isn't unsurprising" ?
    No.

    Should be "is unsurprising", or isn't surprising.

    But we know what was meant anyway.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862

    Pulpstar said:

    DJIA off over 2000 pts :o.

    On the plus side, I can stop worrying about breaching the pension lifetime allowance.
    Will anyone think of the impact on pension advisors and inheritance tax planners?
    Maybe you can apply to the fund for businesses affected by the virus announced yesterday?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139

    HYUFD said:

    Boris has a net favourable rating of +43% with Leavers and -59% with Remainers.

    Starmer has a net favourable rating of +6%, Long Bailey of -18% and Nandy of +1%.

    Starmer is most favoured by Remainers on +29% followed by Labour voters on +27%. Starmer is least favoured by Leavers on -13%, followed by Tory voters on -8%


    https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/boris-johnsons-honeymoon-slips

    In terms of Starmer, there are huge numbers of don't knows so his numbers have scope to improve or decline sharply when voters get to know him better.
    The Remainer Leaver divide will though almost certainly stay, the former like him, the latter don't, the reverse for Boris
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    So we should get the updated stats on how many cases there are in the UK soon.

    For those who claim we're tracking Italy "days behind" we should see ~671 cases in today's update. I don't think we will.

    UK yesterday 460
    Italy 26/2 445
    Italy 27/2 650
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    Numbers are late again, never a good sign.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,837
    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    DJIA off over 2000 pts :o.

    On the plus side, I can stop worrying about breaching the pension lifetime allowance.
    Will anyone think of the impact on pension advisors and inheritance tax planners?
    For most people with assets under £1 million their estate will not be liable for inheritance tax
    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    DJIA off over 2000 pts :o.

    On the plus side, I can stop worrying about breaching the pension lifetime allowance.
    Will anyone think of the impact on pension advisors and inheritance tax planners?
    For most people with assets under £1 million their estate will not be liable for inheritance tax
    Of course. And sadly most over £10m find a way to ensure their estate is not liable for it either.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,225

    FPT

    Not exactly news but Trump's an arse isn't he?

    What a pity that he set the DOW as the measure of how great a president he is.
    The thing that scares me, even more so than covid-19, is if Trump loses in November, he's not going to go quietly he is?

    He might end up salting the ground so badly, even more damaging than when the Rome salted Carthage.
    That is where the 25th might just come in after all...
  • Scotland up to 60 cases from 34 yesterday.
  • So we should get the updated stats on how many cases there are in the UK soon.

    For those who claim we're tracking Italy "days behind" we should see ~671 cases in today's update. I don't think we will.

    UK yesterday 460
    Italy 26/2 445
    Italy 27/2 650

    I would guess around 550 today
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139

    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    DJIA off over 2000 pts :o.

    On the plus side, I can stop worrying about breaching the pension lifetime allowance.
    Will anyone think of the impact on pension advisors and inheritance tax planners?
    For most people with assets under £1 million their estate will not be liable for inheritance tax
    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    DJIA off over 2000 pts :o.

    On the plus side, I can stop worrying about breaching the pension lifetime allowance.
    Will anyone think of the impact on pension advisors and inheritance tax planners?
    For most people with assets under £1 million their estate will not be liable for inheritance tax
    Of course. And sadly most over £10m find a way to ensure their estate is not liable for it either.
    Nothing wrong with careful tax planning
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    Trading suspended, apparently.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    HYUFD said:

    Boris has a net favourable rating of +43% with Leavers and -59% with Remainers.

    Starmer has a net favourable rating of +6%, Long Bailey of -18% and Nandy of +1%.

    Starmer is most favoured by Remainers on +29% followed by Labour voters on +27%. Starmer is least favoured by Leavers on -13%, followed by Tory voters on -8%


    https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/boris-johnsons-honeymoon-slips

    71% of housewives in East Lancashire and 81% in Hertfordshire expressed an interest in the concept of exotic ice-creams.

    Only 8% in Hertfordshire and 14% in Lancashire expressed positive hostility, whilst 5% expressed latent hostility.

    In Hertfordshire, 96% of the 50% who formed 20% of consumer spending were in favour.

    0.6% told us where we could put our exotic ice creams.
    I didn't get where I am today without knowing where that came from..
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,036

    Experts are predicting a hotter-than-normal spring as temperatures could climb to a 23C next month.

    The malaria season will start early then.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,837
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    DJIA off over 2000 pts :o.

    On the plus side, I can stop worrying about breaching the pension lifetime allowance.
    Will anyone think of the impact on pension advisors and inheritance tax planners?
    For most people with assets under £1 million their estate will not be liable for inheritance tax
    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    DJIA off over 2000 pts :o.

    On the plus side, I can stop worrying about breaching the pension lifetime allowance.
    Will anyone think of the impact on pension advisors and inheritance tax planners?
    For most people with assets under £1 million their estate will not be liable for inheritance tax
    Of course. And sadly most over £10m find a way to ensure their estate is not liable for it either.
    Nothing wrong with careful tax planning
    No the individuals are acting rationally, no issue with them. Plenty wrong with govts allowing people to avoid paying their fair share intended by the legislation leaving poorer people to cover it. Close the loopholes and optouts.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862

    Scotland up to 60 cases from 34 yesterday.

    Good points from Nicola that even if events over 500 don't actually spread the virus much they put additional pressure on front line services, notably ambulances and police. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-51851341

    Really hard to argue with that.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139
    edited March 2020

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    DJIA off over 2000 pts :o.

    On the plus side, I can stop worrying about breaching the pension lifetime allowance.
    Will anyone think of the impact on pension advisors and inheritance tax planners?
    For most people with assets under £1 million their estate will not be liable for inheritance tax
    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    DJIA off over 2000 pts :o.

    On the plus side, I can stop worrying about breaching the pension lifetime allowance.
    Will anyone think of the impact on pension advisors and inheritance tax planners?
    For most people with assets under £1 million their estate will not be liable for inheritance tax
    Of course. And sadly most over £10m find a way to ensure their estate is not liable for it either.
    Nothing wrong with careful tax planning
    No the individuals are acting rationally, no issue with them. Plenty wrong with govts allowing people to avoid paying their fair share intended by the legislation leaving poorer people to cover it. Close the loopholes and optouts.
    Those with fewer assets now pay no IHT at all, it is a tax targeted at the rich
  • Nigelb said:

    FPT

    Not exactly news but Trump's an arse isn't he?

    What a pity that he set the DOW as the measure of how great a president he is.
    The thing that scares me, even more so than covid-19, is if Trump loses in November, he's not going to go quietly he is?

    He might end up salting the ground so badly, even more damaging than when the Rome salted Carthage.
    That is where the 25th might just come in after all...
    That requires testicular fortitude which I expect Trump’s cabinet to lack.

    They are the equivalent of political catamites.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226
    Betting post -

    Sanders is now the SAME price (55) for both Nominee and POTUS.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,837
    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    DJIA off over 2000 pts :o.

    On the plus side, I can stop worrying about breaching the pension lifetime allowance.
    Will anyone think of the impact on pension advisors and inheritance tax planners?
    Maybe you can apply to the fund for businesses affected by the virus announced yesterday?
    I am neither! Our business should hopefully benefit a little from the small business grant and increased employment allowance though. Still going to be a tough year as it will for most.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,264

    What will cause the most Consternation and Uproar?

    Shagger announces schools to close in line with everyone else?
    Shagger announces schools are staying open, stuff upper lip and all that?

    This, perhaps, explains his drop in popularity. On the one hand those who think he should ignore the "flu" and carry on as normal. On the other hand those who believe he should have closed down the entire country last Monday. A scientifically informed, cautious response has few supporters, apparently.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Comment on “if Ireland is closing schools shouldn’t UK”

    https://twitter.com/tomchivers/status/1238100017614905347?s=21
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,999
    JM1 said:

    24 new positives in Scotland (60 vs 36 the day previously). But note that the number of processed tests has increased markedly, from 82 to 576. There were 9 positives out of the 82 so, as a proportion, the fraction of positive results has actually declined. So this increase in numbers should be read in that context perhaps?

    Shetland a hot spot..

    https://twitter.com/BlackIslePMD/status/1238103003963547651?s=20
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226
    Pulpstar said:

    DJIA off over 2000 pts :o.

    Might need to revise my "20,000 before 30,000" to "15,000 before 25,000".

    !!
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,837
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    DJIA off over 2000 pts :o.

    On the plus side, I can stop worrying about breaching the pension lifetime allowance.
    Will anyone think of the impact on pension advisors and inheritance tax planners?
    For most people with assets under £1 million their estate will not be liable for inheritance tax
    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    DJIA off over 2000 pts :o.

    On the plus side, I can stop worrying about breaching the pension lifetime allowance.
    Will anyone think of the impact on pension advisors and inheritance tax planners?
    For most people with assets under £1 million their estate will not be liable for inheritance tax
    Of course. And sadly most over £10m find a way to ensure their estate is not liable for it either.
    Nothing wrong with careful tax planning
    No the individuals are acting rationally, no issue with them. Plenty wrong with govts allowing people to avoid paying their fair share intended by the legislation leaving poorer people to cover it. Close the loopholes and optouts.
    Those with fewer assets now pay no IHT at all, it is a tax targeted at the rich
    How much did the Gerald Grosvenors estate pay on his £616,418,184? £0

    It might be targeted but the targets are not very worried by your aim!
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,264
    JM1 said:

    24 new positives in Scotland (60 vs 36 the day previously). But note that the number of processed tests has increased markedly, from 82 to 576. There were 9 positives out of the 82 so, as a proportion, the fraction of positive results has actually declined. So this increase in numbers should be read in that context perhaps?

    Yes. But more to the point, who were selected for testing? Contacts of existing cases or random individuals with a cough? This would account for any variability. It's the unknown factor behind all the stats so far.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862
    Is this season coming to an end? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51856906

    3 Leicester players join Van Dijk in self imposed isolation.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    kinabalu said:

    Betting post -

    Sanders is now the SAME price (55) for both Nominee and POTUS.

    It is absolutely bizarre to me that GOP and DEMs are now both at evens. The Dems got out to 2.68 in February.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    DavidL said:

    Is this season coming to an end? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51856906

    3 Leicester players join Van Dijk in self imposed isolation.

    What a shame if Liverpool don't win the league ;-)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,225

    Nigelb said:

    FPT

    Not exactly news but Trump's an arse isn't he?

    What a pity that he set the DOW as the measure of how great a president he is.
    The thing that scares me, even more so than covid-19, is if Trump loses in November, he's not going to go quietly he is?

    He might end up salting the ground so badly, even more damaging than when the Rome salted Carthage.
    That is where the 25th might just come in after all...
    That requires testicular fortitude which I expect Trump’s cabinet to lack.

    They are the equivalent of political catamites.
    Though they might, just, rediscover their gonads should he lose.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862

    DavidL said:

    Is this season coming to an end? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51856906

    3 Leicester players join Van Dijk in self imposed isolation.

    What a shame if Liverpool don't win the league ;-)
    Tragic.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,908
    JM1 said:

    24 new positives in Scotland (60 vs 36 the day previously). But note that the number of processed tests has increased markedly, from 82 to 576. There were 9 positives out of the 82 so, as a proportion, the fraction of positive results has actually declined. So this increase in numbers should be read in that context perhaps?

    5 million Scots having more new cases than 1.4 billion Chinese.
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    edited March 2020
    At least a few things are clearer today than they were yesterday.

    There are a range of strategies. Different experts have different views. Those citing experts and denigrating individuals on here taking a different view because they don't align with the experts were clearly wrong.

    Now the question is who are the best experts? Well our experts are taking quite a different strategy to the East Asians and now to many of our Western neighbours. They might be right, they might be wrong.

    But they are definitely, brave Minister.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    DavidL said:

    Is this season coming to an end? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51856906

    3 Leicester players join Van Dijk in self imposed isolation.

    What a shame if Liverpool don't win the league ;-)
    If the season ends surely Liverpool have won it. Be farcical not to recognise that.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119

    DavidL said:

    Is this season coming to an end? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51856906

    3 Leicester players join Van Dijk in self imposed isolation.

    What a shame if Liverpool don't win the league ;-)
    If the season ends surely Liverpool have won it. Be farcical not to recognise that.
    No no, we will have to start again next season. All results are null and void, only fair.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139
    edited March 2020

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    DJIA off over 2000 pts :o.

    On the plus side, I can stop worrying about breaching the pension lifetime allowance.
    Will anyone think of the impact on pension advisors and inheritance tax planners?
    For most people with assets under £1 million their estate will not be liable for inheritance tax
    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    DJIA off over 2000 pts :o.

    On the plus side, I can stop worrying about breaching the pension lifetime allowance.
    Will anyone think of the impact on pension advisors and inheritance tax planners?
    For most people with assets under £1 million their estate will not be liable for inheritance tax
    Of course. And sadly most over £10m find a way to ensure their estate is not liable for it either.
    Nothing wrong with careful tax planning
    No the individuals are acting rationally, no issue with them. Plenty wrong with govts allowing people to avoid paying their fair share intended by the legislation leaving poorer people to cover it. Close the loopholes and optouts.
    Those with fewer assets now pay no IHT at all, it is a tax targeted at the rich
    How much did the Gerald Grosvenors estate pay on his £616,418,184? £0

    It might be targeted but the targets are not very worried by your aim!
    The Grosvenor Estate is still subject to a periodic charge as a trust but as a Tory I believe in keeping taxes low
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    At least a few things are clearer today than they were yesterday.

    There are range of strategies. Different experts have different views. Those citing experts and denigrating individuals on here taking a different view because they don't align with the experts were clearly wrong.

    Now the question is who are the best experts? Well our experts are taking quite a different strategy to the East Asians and now to many of our Western neighbours. They might be right, they might be wrong.

    But they are definitely, brave Minister.

    That's not necessarily accurate.

    Our experts have said there will be a time when they need to make decisions that other nations have made, but its not yet.

    Given the UK is testing more than other nations are and having thus fewer "wild" cases than nations are it is entirely possible the time has come for other nations but not us yet.
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    “What the government should have been doing over these last weeks, which they’ve thrown away, is to encourage neighbourhoods, communities, supported by the local public health directors and a joined-up NHS.

    “They should have been encouraging people to have their own family plans about how they will maintain the family show on the road, who will be taking the kids to school, how do you entertain them in the Easter holidays? They should have been much clearer, sooner, about making it clear that people shouldn’t be travelling so they could cancel their holidays and get their money back on the insurance.

    “They haven’t done any of that. Who’s going to look after elderly people – stop them having to go out, do their shopping for them? People should have been doing that planning – they should have been pointed in that direction by the government. There’s been no discussion about that at all.”

    Funnily enough that is what I have been doing with my family and my parents.

    Maybe it would have been helpful if the rest of the country had been having these conversations too? Weeks ago perhaps..
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,225

    Comment on “if Ireland is closing schools shouldn’t UK”

    https://twitter.com/tomchivers/status/1238100017614905347?s=21

    But by the time you can tell whether it's a sensible precaution or an overreaction, it's too late.
    In any event, Easter is coming up, so if you want a relatively low cost month of school closure, there's only a week or so to make up your mind.
  • ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,843
    HYUFD said:

    Experts are predicting a hotter-than-normal spring as temperatures could climb to a 23C next month.

    Could cut Covid19 cases then in a month
    Global warming coming along to save us!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119

    HYUFD said:

    Experts are predicting a hotter-than-normal spring as temperatures could climb to a 23C next month.

    Could cut Covid19 cases then in a month
    Global warming coming along to save us!
    Don't tell Greta...
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,805

    DavidL said:

    Is this season coming to an end? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51856906

    3 Leicester players join Van Dijk in self imposed isolation.

    What a shame if Liverpool don't win the league ;-)
    If the season ends surely Liverpool have won it. Be farcical not to recognise that.
    If they are the rules Philip, bit like elections under FPTP, got to accept the rules :)
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,773
    HYUFD said:
    Corbyn's ears have just pricked up...
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264

    So we should get the updated stats on how many cases there are in the UK soon.

    For those who claim we're tracking Italy "days behind" we should see ~671 cases in today's update. I don't think we will.

    UK yesterday 460
    Italy 26/2 445
    Italy 27/2 650

    I would guess around 550 today
    Only 60 in England?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,225
    WHO says risk of infection appears to be high at small gatherings in indoor venues
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/12/cinemas-and-pubs-in-uk-remain-open-amid-coronavirus-concerns
    ...“We are operating on the basic assumption that the home is a primary place where transmission has been occurring, but something else we are also really picking up on is that in places where ventilation is poor, or if there is ventilation but a lack of proper filtration, then that can also be seriously bad,” Nabarro told the Guardian on Thursday.

    He was speaking before a meeting of the government’s Cobra emergency committee, where ministers are expected to agree to move into the “delay” stage of its coronavirus strategy. This involves social distancing measures, such as restricting public gatherings and issuing more widespread advice to stay at home.

    Nabarro stressed that information on how the virus was spreading was more circumstantial, and data was based on the still-evolving situations in countries such as China, South Korea and Iran, but he said that, after the home, transmission appeared to often be taking place indoors where people were gathered around tables.

    “We are coming across stories where people, for example, have been sitting around a table in a restaurant or bar, where they are closer than 2 metres, spend quite a bit of time in each other’s company and the amount of time that passes is not clear. That appears to be the next commonest place where infections are taking place.

    “That is why restaurants, pubs and churches – churches in particular because of physical closeness – are of interest.”...


    (Quite a few schools would meet this description, too.)
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,837
    And Trumps!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited March 2020
    Massive jump in positives, but also big jump in tests. Now running at about 6% positive rate.
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123

    At least a few things are clearer today than they were yesterday.

    There are range of strategies. Different experts have different views. Those citing experts and denigrating individuals on here taking a different view because they don't align with the experts were clearly wrong.

    Now the question is who are the best experts? Well our experts are taking quite a different strategy to the East Asians and now to many of our Western neighbours. They might be right, they might be wrong.

    But they are definitely, brave Minister.

    That's not necessarily accurate.

    Our experts have said there will be a time when they need to make decisions that other nations have made, but its not yet.

    Given the UK is testing more than other nations are and having thus fewer "wild" cases than nations are it is entirely possible the time has come for other nations but not us yet.
    No I don't think so.

    I think what is clear now is there are two fundamentally different approaches. The first approach is to stomp this out at source. The second approach is to accept it is inevitable and manage it. We are going for the latter. Others are going for the former.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    edited March 2020
    Date - Tests - Positive - % Positive

    06/03/2020 -- 2,255 -- 48 -- 2.1%
    07/03/2020 -- 1,122 -- 43 -- 3.8%
    08/03/2020 -- 2,053 -- 67 -- 3.3%
    09/03/2020 -- 1,447 -- 46 -- 3.2%
    10/03/2020 -- 1,301 -- 54 -- 4.2%
    11/03/2020 -- 1,215 -- 83 -- 6.8%
    12/03/2020 -- 2,238 -- 134 -- 6.0%

  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    At least a few things are clearer today than they were yesterday.

    There are range of strategies. Different experts have different views. Those citing experts and denigrating individuals on here taking a different view because they don't align with the experts were clearly wrong.

    Now the question is who are the best experts? Well our experts are taking quite a different strategy to the East Asians and now to many of our Western neighbours. They might be right, they might be wrong.

    But they are definitely, brave Minister.

    That's not necessarily accurate.

    Our experts have said there will be a time when they need to make decisions that other nations have made, but its not yet.

    Given the UK is testing more than other nations are and having thus fewer "wild" cases than nations are it is entirely possible the time has come for other nations but not us yet.
    No I don't think so.

    I think what is clear now is there are two fundamentally different approaches. The first approach is to stomp this out at source. The second approach is to accept it is inevitable and manage it. We are going for the latter. Others are going for the former.
    I disagree. With all our testing we're doing more than other countries in Europe to stomp this out at source.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    tlg86 said:

    Date - Tests - Positive - % Positive

    06/03/2020 2,255 48 2.1%
    07/03/2020 1,122 43 3.8%
    08/03/2020 2,053 67 3.3%
    09/03/2020 1,447 46 3.2%
    10/03/2020 1,301 54 4.2%
    11/03/2020 1,215 83 6.8%
    12/03/2020 2,238 134 6.0%

    This is clearly why the egg heads are still doing the keep calm and wash hands. I bloody hope they are right.
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123

    At least a few things are clearer today than they were yesterday.

    There are range of strategies. Different experts have different views. Those citing experts and denigrating individuals on here taking a different view because they don't align with the experts were clearly wrong.

    Now the question is who are the best experts? Well our experts are taking quite a different strategy to the East Asians and now to many of our Western neighbours. They might be right, they might be wrong.

    But they are definitely, brave Minister.

    That's not necessarily accurate.

    Our experts have said there will be a time when they need to make decisions that other nations have made, but its not yet.

    Given the UK is testing more than other nations are and having thus fewer "wild" cases than nations are it is entirely possible the time has come for other nations but not us yet.
    No I don't think so.

    I think what is clear now is there are two fundamentally different approaches. The first approach is to stomp this out at source. The second approach is to accept it is inevitable and manage it. We are going for the latter. Others are going for the former.
    I disagree. With all our testing we're doing more than other countries in Europe to stomp this out at source.
    So why have we allowed flights in from Italy (just a few days ago) and Spain (ongoing).

    Round and round we go.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,436

    What will cause the most Consternation and Uproar?

    Shagger announces schools to close in line with everyone else?
    Shagger announces schools are staying open, stuff upper lip and all that?

    This, perhaps, explains his drop in popularity. On the one hand those who think he should ignore the "flu" and carry on as normal. On the other hand those who believe he should have closed down the entire country last Monday. A scientifically informed, cautious response has few supporters, apparently.
    Such caricature is unhelpful. I would like the government to have taken some additional, modest and sensible steps to contain the virus.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,167
    edited March 2020
    No new Covid-19 deaths in the UK since yesterday morning, or perhaps the day before, if yesterday's announcement was I think from a UK man abroad.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    For attention of TSE...no longer do you have to put up with shitty IoS.

    Run Android On An iPhone..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXeQVZA40-0
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    134 new UK cases. The ramp is well under way.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119

    No new Covid-19 deaths in the UK since yesterday morning.

    The death announcements normally come in the evening.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    The BoJo is incoming in a few minutes to give us all an update.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    At least a few things are clearer today than they were yesterday.

    There are range of strategies. Different experts have different views. Those citing experts and denigrating individuals on here taking a different view because they don't align with the experts were clearly wrong.

    Now the question is who are the best experts? Well our experts are taking quite a different strategy to the East Asians and now to many of our Western neighbours. They might be right, they might be wrong.

    But they are definitely, brave Minister.

    That's not necessarily accurate.

    Our experts have said there will be a time when they need to make decisions that other nations have made, but its not yet.

    Given the UK is testing more than other nations are and having thus fewer "wild" cases than nations are it is entirely possible the time has come for other nations but not us yet.
    No I don't think so.

    I think what is clear now is there are two fundamentally different approaches. The first approach is to stomp this out at source. The second approach is to accept it is inevitable and manage it. We are going for the latter. Others are going for the former.
    I disagree. With all our testing we're doing more than other countries in Europe to stomp this out at source.
    So why have we allowed flights in from Italy (just a few days ago) and Spain (ongoing).

    Round and round we go.
    Because we aren't going insane.

    We are telling people who come home from Italy to self-isolate for 14 days.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,837

    What will cause the most Consternation and Uproar?

    Shagger announces schools to close in line with everyone else?
    Shagger announces schools are staying open, stuff upper lip and all that?

    This, perhaps, explains his drop in popularity. On the one hand those who think he should ignore the "flu" and carry on as normal. On the other hand those who believe he should have closed down the entire country last Monday. A scientifically informed, cautious response has few supporters, apparently.
    Such caricature is unhelpful. I would like the government to have taken some additional, modest and sensible steps to contain the virus.
    How are you calculating the cost of those steps on the NHS pressure next winter to consider the whole picture? What models do you have? Based on which previous epidemics? How have you factored in NHS staffing levels?

    The team making the decisions has done all those steps and hundreds more.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    edited March 2020
    Coronavirus latest news: 590 cases in total as two more UK fatalities takes death toll to 10

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-uk-cases-deaths-numbers-covid-19-latest-live/

    One 89, one in 60s, both serious other illnesses.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,019

    No new Covid-19 deaths in the UK since yesterday morning.

    Two in London - according to the Telegraph
  • 2 dead in Ldn according to Sky News
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,167
    edited March 2020
    OK not good news.

    Any mention of whereabouts in London ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,225

    What will cause the most Consternation and Uproar?

    Shagger announces schools to close in line with everyone else?
    Shagger announces schools are staying open, stuff upper lip and all that?

    This, perhaps, explains his drop in popularity. On the one hand those who think he should ignore the "flu" and carry on as normal. On the other hand those who believe he should have closed down the entire country last Monday. A scientifically informed, cautious response has few supporters, apparently.
    Such caricature is unhelpful. I would like the government to have taken some additional, modest and sensible steps to contain the virus.
    How are you calculating the cost of those steps on the NHS pressure next winter to consider the whole picture? What models do you have? Based on which previous epidemics? How have you factored in NHS staffing levels?

    The team making the decisions has done all those steps and hundreds more.
    What utter balls.
    They have no idea how this will turn out by next winter.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    If the football season is brought to an early close, how will that work for promotion and relegation?

    Asking as a Norwich City fan.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    3 Leicester City players isolated as COVID19 suspects. Shit gets real...
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,837
    Nigelb said:

    What will cause the most Consternation and Uproar?

    Shagger announces schools to close in line with everyone else?
    Shagger announces schools are staying open, stuff upper lip and all that?

    This, perhaps, explains his drop in popularity. On the one hand those who think he should ignore the "flu" and carry on as normal. On the other hand those who believe he should have closed down the entire country last Monday. A scientifically informed, cautious response has few supporters, apparently.
    Such caricature is unhelpful. I would like the government to have taken some additional, modest and sensible steps to contain the virus.
    How are you calculating the cost of those steps on the NHS pressure next winter to consider the whole picture? What models do you have? Based on which previous epidemics? How have you factored in NHS staffing levels?

    The team making the decisions has done all those steps and hundreds more.
    What utter balls.
    They have no idea how this will turn out by next winter.
    Of course they dont know. It is their job to predict.
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