If second wave Coronavirus has hit the USA in a sizeable way by early November, do we even end up having an election?
You could end up having some very unexpected state results, depending on the party affiliation of the governor and where the hotspots for infection were.
Also, in my line of work, people are starting to get pretty keen for the order to work from home to be announced.
And it never does.
Why not just implement it anyway, like several hundreds of other companies have done?
My wife works for Siemens.
They are (all) being told to work from home on Friday to field test remote working en masse and see how the business support systems need to adapt to sustain it.
If Italy could look back two weeks they would absolutely quarantine the country...for fucks sake...Italy today....dead people cannot be collected, and anyone over 60 is not being hospitalised.....we have a two week window to do the right thing.....and Liverpool are playing Madrid with a full stadium....
That is not true, the doctor who sadly died earlier in Italy was over 60 and hospitalised
Probably only if Trump is defeated, if Trump is re elected VP Pence will almost certainly be GOP nominee
The two post-Trump scenarios are very different - IF he serves two terms he can effectively anoint his successor (the parallel with Eisenhower passing on to Nixon may or may not be valid - as I recall, Eisenhower didn't think much of Nixon) and if Pence gets that endorsement he will be the nominee if he chooses to stand.
If Trump is defeated this year, what happens to the GOP? Does it move away from Trump populism to a more mainstream conservative position. Haley would be a runner but there would be others and the 2024 GOP primary field might start as crowded as the 2020 Democrat race.
The same question holds true here - as you rightly say, there are those who voted for Boris as distinct from the Conservative Party. Once a populist is no longer popular and is defeated or ousted what happens to the party the populist hijacked?
As an aside, the London Mayoral poll was disastrous for Siobhan Benita and disappointing for Shaun Bailey who has frankly made zero impact and trails Khan by a country mile facing a 2-1 defeat on second preferences.
To this observer, Bailey's response to every question seems to be to recruit more Police officers. He looks and sounds one dimensional - his only grace is Stewart is getting nowhere slowly.
It may be Khan will win outright on the first round and put Bailey out of his misery.
If the government was to announce an instant quarantine, what day of the week would be the best to call it?
(There’s no right or wrong answer AFAIK, but I thought Monday night which is presumably the night where most people are at home, back after long weekends, least busy night for evening events etc)
Horton is the loathsome twat who published a paper linking MMR to autism and refused to retract it for twelve years despite overwhelming evidence that it was fraudulent. He is a fool, a liar and also a noted and dogmatic left wing political activist. I wouldn’t trust him if he said Dominic Cummings was an idiot.
Edit - I find out he was also a supporter of Roy Meadow. He should have been struck off years ago for those two together. He clearly has no interest in science and no understanding of it.
Yeah, but, he said something I already agree with.
Like seriously. Where is the Bill Clinton or Obama type figure? Biden can barely finish a thought, and no that isnt just his stutter
I guess it shows how unusual these figures are.
Buttigieg tried but it seems he was one term too soon.
Kennedy is waiting in the wings.
Kennedy-Buttigieg 2024 v Pence in my view if Biden fails to beat Trump in November but I think Biden v Trump will be very close, maybe the closest election since Bush v Gore in 2000.
At the moment my closest guess is Biden picks up Pennsylvania and North Carolina but Trump holds Michigan, Wisconsin and Florida to win 270 to 268
I agree with that except for Michigan where Biden is 4.8% ahead of Trump on average. Biden wins 283 to 255.
Liverpool have just scored....this is possibly one of those seminal games of football...a bit like when Germany played England on Christmas Day during WW1 over the trenches....
I wonder how many extra fatalities will occur as a result of packing 60,000 in a stadium at this stage of the crisis
Also, in my line of work, people are starting to get pretty keen for the order to work from home to be announced.
And it never does.
Why not just implement it anyway, like several hundreds of other companies have done?
Ours have said that those who "feel it is necessary" may discuss options for working from home. It was said very much with an air of "you will be judged". What makes it more ridiculous is that we all regularly have worked from home previously on odd days or even during a week or so when it's been necessary. So it's just complete denial about the situation.
Absolutely ridiculous. A backwards attitude that unfairly places the onus on the employee.
If Italy could look back two weeks they would absolutely quarantine the country...for fucks sake...Italy today....dead people cannot be collected, and anyone over 60 is not being hospitalised.....we have a two week window to do the right thing.....and Liverpool are playing Madrid with a full stadium....
Over 2.2k cases in Spain, most of them in Madrid. Its just madness.
If the government was to announce an instant quarantine, what day of the week would be the best to call it?
(There’s no right or wrong answer AFAIK, but I thought Monday night which is presumably the night where most people are at home, back after long weekends, least busy night for evening events etc)
Agreed. Monday 16th March will be a key day.
Annoying as it's only five days before my Isle of Wight holiday.
If you do close schools to slow/stop the outbreak when do you open them again? When there's a vaccine? When there are 0 cases? That could be weeks or months. And if you reopen before either of those dont we just start the infection curve off all over again?
Horton is the loathsome twat who published a paper linking MMR to autism and refused to retract it for twelve years despite overwhelming evidence that it was fraudulent. He is a fool, a liar and also a noted and dogmatic left wing political activist. I wouldn’t trust him if he said Dominic Cummings was an idiot.
Edit - I find out he was also a supporter of Roy Meadow. He should have been struck off years ago for those two together. He clearly has no interest in science and no understanding of it.
Yeah, but, he said something I already agree with.
Maybe he did. He may even be right. But he would say it whether he was right or not and - here’s the killer punch - whether he believed it or not, if it would advance his chosen agenda, which as I have noted, is frequently politically inspired and anti-Tory.
Also, in my line of work, people are starting to get pretty keen for the order to work from home to be announced.
And it never does.
Why not just implement it anyway, like several hundreds of other companies have done?
Ours have said that those who "feel it is necessary" may discuss options for working from home. It was said very much with an air of "you will be judged". What makes it more ridiculous is that we all regularly have worked from home previously on odd days or even during a week or so when it's been necessary. So it's just complete denial about the situation.
Liverpool have just scored....this is possibly one of those seminal games of football...a bit like when Germany played England on Christmas Day during WW1 over the trenches....
I wonder how many extra fatalities will occur as a result of packing 60,000 in a stadium at this stage of the crisis
Also, in my line of work, people are starting to get pretty keen for the order to work from home to be announced.
And it never does.
Why not just implement it anyway, like several hundreds of other companies have done?
My wife works for Siemens.
They are (all) being told to work from home on Friday to field test remote working en masse and see how the business support systems need to adapt to sustain it.
That’s an eyeopener! Of all the companies that should be able to handle WFH I’d expect Siemens to. I’m stunned they don’t have the policy already.
Liverpool have just scored....this is possibly one of those seminal games of football...a bit like when Germany played England on Christmas Day during WW1 over the trenches....
I wonder how many extra fatalities will occur as a result of packing 60,000 in a stadium at this stage of the crisis
Think of how many cows died to make the half time pies.
If Italy could look back two weeks they would absolutely quarantine the country...for fucks sake...Italy today....dead people cannot be collected, and anyone over 60 is not being hospitalised.....we have a two week window to do the right thing.....and Liverpool are playing Madrid with a full stadium....
Italy was slow to quarantine the very concentrated cluster it has in the north (which we don’t have) but not the rest of the country (although one can question how much effort they are putting into it).
The object is to cut off social interaction at the point when the peak demand for health services - which lags by up to two weeks - is within the capacity of what you can provide.
Quite clearly they didn’t do this in Lombardy, and hospitals there are overwhelmed.
Our hospitals are a long way from that sort of pressure - most of them are as yet hardly troubled by actually treating seriously ill carriers.
Judging when to move is a balancing act - but moving too early is just as bad, as the object is to have a slice of the population infected before you close down interaction.
Then when quarantine is lifted, you allow the virus to start spreading from a lower base of active carriers, and with that slice of the population immune.
It’s a cycle we may have to repeat several times. Explaining the object is going to be difficult for politicians, as it tacitly admits that people will die.
Liverpool have just scored....this is possibly one of those seminal games of football...a bit like when Germany played England on Christmas Day during WW1 over the trenches....
I wonder how many extra fatalities will occur as a result of packing 60,000 in a stadium at this stage of the crisis
Think of how many cows died to make the half time pies.
Think of how many hops died to make the half time beer.
If the government was to announce an instant quarantine, what day of the week would be the best to call it?
(There’s no right or wrong answer AFAIK, but I thought Monday night which is presumably the night where most people are at home, back after long weekends, least busy night for evening events etc)
9pm Sunday, people are where they would be to start the working week and most are still up and around to find out about it.
Like seriously. Where is the Bill Clinton or Obama type figure? Biden can barely finish a thought, and no that isnt just his stutter
I guess it shows how unusual these figures are.
Buttigieg tried but it seems he was one term too soon.
Kennedy is waiting in the wings.
Kennedy-Buttigieg 2024 v Pence in my view if Biden fails to beat Trump in November but I think Biden v Trump will be very close, maybe the closest election since Bush v Gore in 2000.
At the moment my closest guess is Biden picks up Pennsylvania and North Carolina but Trump holds Michigan, Wisconsin and Florida to win 270 to 268
I agree with that except for Michigan where Biden is 4.8% ahead of Trump on average. Biden wins 283 to 255.
A renewed plunge in financial markets on Wednesday ended an 11-year bull market for the Dow Jones industrial average as the economic threat posed by the coronavirus outbreak came into stark relief.
Like seriously. Where is the Bill Clinton or Obama type figure? Biden can barely finish a thought, and no that isnt just his stutter
I guess it shows how unusual these figures are.
Buttigieg tried but it seems he was one term too soon.
Kennedy is waiting in the wings.
Kennedy-Buttigieg 2024 v Pence in my view if Biden fails to beat Trump in November but I think Biden v Trump will be very close, maybe the closest election since Bush v Gore in 2000.
At the moment my closest guess is Biden picks up Pennsylvania and North Carolina but Trump holds Michigan, Wisconsin and Florida to win 270 to 268
I agree with that except for Michigan where Biden is 4.8% ahead of Trump on average. Biden wins 283 to 255.
I think H thinks a spot of broth will cure this crisis......I think by November Trump will be gone, and the US may well be governed by some cabinet of national unity
Liverpool have just scored....this is possibly one of those seminal games of football...a bit like when Germany played England on Christmas Day during WW1 over the trenches....
I wonder how many extra fatalities will occur as a result of packing 60,000 in a stadium at this stage of the crisis
Think of how many cows died to make the half time pies.
Think of how many hops died to make the half time beer.
Think of how many polar bears died from the carbon required to make the concrete for the stadium.
I don't own a work laptop or work phone. We all use our own cars to get to work, 30 of us in the same building, 3 or 4 of us in the same office. Surely the risk is much higher for workers that use public transport to get to work and those in large office blocks in the middle of cities ?
Like seriously. Where is the Bill Clinton or Obama type figure? Biden can barely finish a thought, and no that isnt just his stutter
I guess it shows how unusual these figures are.
Buttigieg tried but it seems he was one term too soon.
Kennedy is waiting in the wings.
Kennedy-Buttigieg 2024 v Pence in my view if Biden fails to beat Trump in November but I think Biden v Trump will be very close, maybe the closest election since Bush v Gore in 2000.
At the moment my closest guess is Biden picks up Pennsylvania and North Carolina but Trump holds Michigan, Wisconsin and Florida to win 270 to 268
I agree with that except for Michigan where Biden is 4.8% ahead of Trump on average. Biden wins 283 to 255.
I think H thinks a spot of broth will cure this crisis......I think by November Trump will be gone, and the US may well be governed by some cabinet of national unity
Somebody doesn’t understand the US political system...
Probably only if Trump is defeated, if Trump is re elected VP Pence will almost certainly be GOP nominee
The two post-Trump scenarios are very different - IF he serves two terms he can effectively anoint his successor (the parallel with Eisenhower passing on to Nixon may or may not be valid - as I recall, Eisenhower didn't think much of Nixon) and if Pence gets that endorsement he will be the nominee if he chooses to stand.
If Trump is defeated this year, what happens to the GOP? Does it move away from Trump populism to a more mainstream conservative position. Haley would be a runner but there would be others and the 2024 GOP primary field might start as crowded as the 2020 Democrat race.
The same question holds true here - as you rightly say, there are those who voted for Boris as distinct from the Conservative Party. Once a populist is no longer popular and is defeated or ousted what happens to the party the populist hijacked?
As an aside, the London Mayoral poll was disastrous for Siobhan Benita and disappointing for Shaun Bailey who has frankly made zero impact and trails Khan by a country mile facing a 2-1 defeat on second preferences.
To this observer, Bailey's response to every question seems to be to recruit more Police officers. He looks and sounds one dimensional - his only grace is Stewart is getting nowhere slowly.
It may be Khan will win outright on the first round and put Bailey out of his misery.
If Trump keeps Pence on the ticket he will likely be heir in 2020 if he is re elected.
If Trump loses though moderates like Haley and Romney might have a better shot in 2024. Boris has already been re elected so a slightly different scenario.
Khan is going to win but he beats Stewart by less than Bailey in run off polling
Liverpool have just scored....this is possibly one of those seminal games of football...a bit like when Germany played England on Christmas Day during WW1 over the trenches....
I wonder how many extra fatalities will occur as a result of packing 60,000 in a stadium at this stage of the crisis
Think of how many cows died to make the half time pies.
Think of how many hops died to make the half time beer.
Think of how many polar bears died from the carbon required to make the concrete for the stadium.
Think of how many blades of grass died from all the running around on the pitch.
Liverpool have just scored....this is possibly one of those seminal games of football...a bit like when Germany played England on Christmas Day during WW1 over the trenches....
I wonder how many extra fatalities will occur as a result of packing 60,000 in a stadium at this stage of the crisis
Worth it to have a home crowd at Anfield
Sport is like many other activities an optional event, it shouldn’t be taking place it is not essential to the functioning of the world. It sends the wrong message to people that everything is normal. More fool those who have gone to the match but I feel sorry for those who will be ‘collateral damage’.
Also, in my line of work, people are starting to get pretty keen for the order to work from home to be announced.
And it never does.
Why not just implement it anyway, like several hundreds of other companies have done?
My wife works for Siemens.
They are (all) being told to work from home on Friday to field test remote working en masse and see how the business support systems need to adapt to sustain it.
That’s an eyeopener! Of all the companies that should be able to handle WFH I’d expect Siemens to. I’m stunned they don’t have the policy already.
The point seems to be that they can handle any one employee WFH on any given day, but might struggle if everyone did so on the same day (mumble mumble VPN connections mumble server load mumble RDS).
Hence the stress testing. Sounds sensible. We struggled last year when the office got closed due to a water leak, and everyone was trying to get on the VPN at once. IT increased capacity soon after in response.
If Italy could look back two weeks they would absolutely quarantine the country...for fucks sake...Italy today....dead people cannot be collected, and anyone over 60 is not being hospitalised.....we have a two week window to do the right thing.....and Liverpool are playing Madrid with a full stadium....
Over 2.2k cases in Spain, most of them in Madrid. Its just madness.
Good goal though.
Well I’ve passed on a ticket to Wales v Scotland on Saturday. A) I’m recovering from a, fortunately, totally normal cold, and I want to completely and utterly recover, I clearly do not not even possibly want cough and sniffle sat next to a stranger which would be horrendous for them. B Whatever the advice from officialdom we shall be exercising a heightened degree of “social distancing” as precautionary common sense at present amongst other things. More meals in, lots of scrubbing, short foreign trip coming up in a couple of weeks may get binned.
If Boris and Hancock were ignoring the advise I am damn sure the CMO would have something to say about it. This is just shit stirring of the worst order.
If the government was to announce an instant quarantine, what day of the week would be the best to call it?
(There’s no right or wrong answer AFAIK, but I thought Monday night which is presumably the night where most people are at home, back after long weekends, least busy night for evening events etc)
Agreed. Monday 16th March will be a key day.
Annoying as it's only five days before my Isle of Wight holiday.
That’s harsh. Hope you are able to take your holiday somehow. I think we might be further away - 23 March?
Liverpool have just scored....this is possibly one of those seminal games of football...a bit like when Germany played England on Christmas Day during WW1 over the trenches....
I wonder how many extra fatalities will occur as a result of packing 60,000 in a stadium at this stage of the crisis
Worth it to have a home crowd at Anfield
Sport is like many other activities an optional event, it shouldn’t be taking place it is not essential to the functioning of the world. It sends the wrong message to people that everything is normal. More fool those who have gone to the match but I feel sorry for those who will be ‘collateral damage’.
Heretic. Sport in Anfield isn't a matter of life or death, its more important than that.
I don't own a work laptop or work phone. We all use our own cars to get to work, 30 of us in the same building, 3 or 4 of us in the same office. Surely the risk is much higher for workers that use public transport to get to work and those in large office blocks in the middle of cities ?
Well yeah, it's a numbers game. The more people you encounter the greater the chance of infection m
If Italy could look back two weeks they would absolutely quarantine the country...for fucks sake...Italy today....dead people cannot be collected, and anyone over 60 is not being hospitalised.....we have a two week window to do the right thing.....and Liverpool are playing Madrid with a full stadium....
Over 2.2k cases in Spain, most of them in Madrid. Its just madness.
Good goal though.
Well I’ve passed on a ticket to Wales v Scotland on Saturday. A) I’m recovering from a, fortunately, totally normal cold, and I want to completely and utterly recover, I clearly do not not even possibly want cough and sniffle sat next to a stranger which would be horrendous for them. B Whatever the advice from officialdom we shall be exercising a heightened degree of “social distancing” as precautionary common sense at present amongst other things. More meals in, lots of scrubbing, short foreign trip coming up in a couple of weeks may get binned.
I've got a dinner in Edinburgh on Friday night which will involve an overnight stay. I am increasingly unsure its a good idea. The world is changing fast.
Liverpool have just scored....this is possibly one of those seminal games of football...a bit like when Germany played England on Christmas Day during WW1 over the trenches....
I wonder how many extra fatalities will occur as a result of packing 60,000 in a stadium at this stage of the crisis
Think of how many cows died to make the half time pies.
Think of how many hops died to make the half time beer.
Think of how many polar bears died from the carbon required to make the concrete for the stadium.
Think of how many blades of grass died from all the running around on the pitch.
We need to go for an extreme Malthusian approach - no breathing ever.
If the government was to announce an instant quarantine, what day of the week would be the best to call it?
(There’s no right or wrong answer AFAIK, but I thought Monday night which is presumably the night where most people are at home, back after long weekends, least busy night for evening events etc)
9pm Sunday, people are where they would be to start the working week and most are still up and around to find out about it.
I originally thought Sunday, but actually a lot of long weekends included Sunday night.
If Italy could look back two weeks they would absolutely quarantine the country...for fucks sake...Italy today....dead people cannot be collected, and anyone over 60 is not being hospitalised.....we have a two week window to do the right thing.....and Liverpool are playing Madrid with a full stadium....
Over 2.2k cases in Spain, most of them in Madrid. Its just madness.
Good goal though.
Well I’ve passed on a ticket to Wales v Scotland on Saturday. A) I’m recovering from a, fortunately, totally normal cold, and I want to completely and utterly recover, I clearly do not not even possibly want cough and sniffle sat next to a stranger which would be horrendous for them. B Whatever the advice from officialdom we shall be exercising a heightened degree of “social distancing” as precautionary common sense at present amongst other things. More meals in, lots of scrubbing, short foreign trip coming up in a couple of weeks may get binned.
I've got a dinner in Edinburgh on Friday night which will involve an overnight stay. I am increasingly unsure its a good idea. The world is changing fast.
Liverpool have just scored....this is possibly one of those seminal games of football...a bit like when Germany played England on Christmas Day during WW1 over the trenches....
I wonder how many extra fatalities will occur as a result of packing 60,000 in a stadium at this stage of the crisis
Think of how many cows died to make the half time pies.
Think of how many hops died to make the half time beer.
Think of how many polar bears died from the carbon required to make the concrete for the stadium.
The other day I was wondering whether swimming pools would be a good place to be. It turns out they are according to this:
"Due to the ongoing spread of novel coronavirus, there have been a number of calls to Swim England about whether it is safe to still go swimming. The Pool Water Treatment and Advisory Group (PWTAG) has been in contact with Public Health England regarding novel coronavirus. A spokesperson for PWTAG said: “Public health opinion is that it is generally safe to go swimming at this time. “Water and the chlorine within swimming pools will help to kill the virus."
Certain brands of bog roll sold out, some others plentiful at Sainsbury Aberdeen. Notes saying "certain sanitary products rationed to 5 per household" and "store pharmacy no longer has any face masks or sanitiser".
Heading back to London tomorrow...
Love the way we have normalised the use of the term bog roll on pb.
That's the posh term.
Arse wipe is my term of choice for "bathroom tissue".
Horton is the loathsome twat who published a paper linking MMR to autism and refused to retract it for twelve years despite overwhelming evidence that it was fraudulent. He is a fool, a liar and also a noted and dogmatic left wing political activist. I wouldn’t trust him if he said Dominic Cummings was an idiot.
Edit - I find out he was also a supporter of Roy Meadow. He should have been struck off years ago for those two together. He clearly has no interest in science and no understanding of it.
Yeah, but, he said something I already agree with.
I’ll say it again, in this situation you have to trust in our command and control process and our scientific advisers. They are the very best, and their plan will be credible (others might be too, but theirs won’t be “wrong”).
Feels like a bit of a change after COBR tomorrow, and then more as the legislation kicks in early next week.
Like seriously. Where is the Bill Clinton or Obama type figure? Biden can barely finish a thought, and no that isnt just his stutter
I guess it shows how unusual these figures are.
Buttigieg tried but it seems he was one term too soon.
Kennedy is waiting in the wings.
Kennedy-Buttigieg 2024 v Pence in my view if Biden fails to beat Trump in November but I think Biden v Trump will be very close, maybe the closest election since Bush v Gore in 2000.
At the moment my closest guess is Biden picks up Pennsylvania and North Carolina but Trump holds Michigan, Wisconsin and Florida to win 270 to 268
I agree with that except for Michigan where Biden is 4.8% ahead of Trump on average. Biden wins 283 to 255.
I think H thinks a spot of broth will cure this crisis......I think by November Trump will be gone, and the US may well be governed by some cabinet of national unity
Somebody doesn’t understand the US political system...
As someone who studied the US political system...I never thought it could allow someone like Trump as POTUS who flagrantly disregarded its checks and balances...now facing possibly the biggest internal crisis of its existence I cannot see how it could allow Trump to continue......
Seems inevitable. Summer even if it helps is a long time away. Ditto a vaccine.
Denmark just went into lockdown. They've got about 13x as many cases per capita as us and rapidly increasing, so makes sense. Norway is even worse so I guess won't be far behind.
Yeah right Polly you clearly know mch more than the CMO and the CSO - if only you hadn't been held back and forced to be a twitter troll because you're a woman.
Our surgery has an 8.00-10.00 am daily drop in service whereby you are triaged and can see a doctor with no prior appointment
Received text just now that this service is suspended and no one must come to the surgery without first having phoned, received triage and instructions given
In effect stopping all and sundry walking in.
Fully support this move, although I was going to call in at 8.00am tomorrrow over an ongoing health issue
Liverpool have just scored....this is possibly one of those seminal games of football...a bit like when Germany played England on Christmas Day during WW1 over the trenches....
I wonder how many extra fatalities will occur as a result of packing 60,000 in a stadium at this stage of the crisis
Think of how many cows died to make the half time pies.
Think of how many hops died to make the half time beer.
Think of how many polar bears died from the carbon required to make the concrete for the stadium.
Liverpool have just scored....this is possibly one of those seminal games of football...a bit like when Germany played England on Christmas Day during WW1 over the trenches....
I wonder how many extra fatalities will occur as a result of packing 60,000 in a stadium at this stage of the crisis
Worth it to have a home crowd at Anfield
Sport is like many other activities an optional event, it shouldn’t be taking place it is not essential to the functioning of the world. It sends the wrong message to people that everything is normal. More fool those who have gone to the match but I feel sorry for those who will be ‘collateral damage’.
Heretic. Sport in Anfield isn't a matter of life or death, its more important than that.
Liverpool has seen enough of the impact of poor decision making. This could prove to be another case but it really is only a game and irrelevant in the big picture.
I’ll say it again, in this situation you have to trust in our command and control process and our scientific advisers. They are the very best, and their plan will be credible (others might be too, but theirs won’t be “wrong”).
Feels like a bit of a change after COBR tomorrow, and then more as the legislation kicks in early next week.
That is why I am watching Liverpool play now with 60,000 spectators...
I’ll say it again, in this situation you have to trust in our command and control process and our scientific advisers. They are the very best, and their plan will be credible (others might be too, but theirs won’t be “wrong”).
Feels like a bit of a change after COBR tomorrow, and then more as the legislation kicks in early next week.
That is why I am watching Liverpool play now with 60,000 spectators...
Indeed, because the CMO explained why they're not shutting down stadia. Did you bother to listen to him before you went ranting online?
Seems inevitable. Summer even if it helps is a long time away. Ditto a vaccine.
Denmark just went into lockdown. They've got about 13x as many cases per capita as us and rapidly increasing, so makes sense. Norway is even worse so I guess won't be far behind.
I think you might find Denmark have been testing more.......
Horton is the loathsome twat who published a paper linking MMR to autism and refused to retract it for twelve years despite overwhelming evidence that it was fraudulent. He is a fool, a liar and also a noted and dogmatic left wing political activist. I wouldn’t trust him if he said Dominic Cummings was an idiot.
Edit - I find out he was also a supporter of Roy Meadow. He should have been struck off years ago for those two together. He clearly has no interest in science and no understanding of it.
Yeah, but, he said something I already agree with.
Lol -- join the dots mate..
Anyone who supported the statistical argument produced by Sir Roy Meadows -- as Richard Horton did -- is completely untrustworthy.
Liverpool have just scored....this is possibly one of those seminal games of football...a bit like when Germany played England on Christmas Day during WW1 over the trenches....
I wonder how many extra fatalities will occur as a result of packing 60,000 in a stadium at this stage of the crisis
Worth it to have a home crowd at Anfield
Sport is like many other activities an optional event, it shouldn’t be taking place it is not essential to the functioning of the world. It sends the wrong message to people that everything is normal. More fool those who have gone to the match but I feel sorry for those who will be ‘collateral damage’.
Heretic. Sport in Anfield isn't a matter of life or death, its more important than that.
Liverpool has seen enough of the impact of poor decision making. This could prove to be another case but it really is only a game and irrelevant in the big picture.
Its not only a game, its the Champions League. And there's no scientific reason to shut down stadia without shutting down far more besides it.
Liverpool have just scored....this is possibly one of those seminal games of football...a bit like when Germany played England on Christmas Day during WW1 over the trenches....
I wonder how many extra fatalities will occur as a result of packing 60,000 in a stadium at this stage of the crisis
Worth it to have a home crowd at Anfield
Sport is like many other activities an optional event, it shouldn’t be taking place it is not essential to the functioning of the world. It sends the wrong message to people that everything is normal. More fool those who have gone to the match but I feel sorry for those who will be ‘collateral damage’.
Heretic. Sport in Anfield isn't a matter of life or death, its more important than that.
Liverpool has seen enough of the impact of poor decision making. This could prove to be another case but it really is only a game and irrelevant in the big picture.
Its not only a game, its the Champions League. And there's no scientific reason to shut down stadia without shutting down far more besides it.
Why would you shut down footie when the tube is open ?
Liverpool have just scored....this is possibly one of those seminal games of football...a bit like when Germany played England on Christmas Day during WW1 over the trenches....
I wonder how many extra fatalities will occur as a result of packing 60,000 in a stadium at this stage of the crisis
Worth it to have a home crowd at Anfield
Sport is like many other activities an optional event, it shouldn’t be taking place it is not essential to the functioning of the world. It sends the wrong message to people that everything is normal. More fool those who have gone to the match but I feel sorry for those who will be ‘collateral damage’.
Heretic. Sport in Anfield isn't a matter of life or death, its more important than that.
Liverpool has seen enough of the impact of poor decision making. This could prove to be another case but it really is only a game and irrelevant in the big picture.
Its not only a game, its the Champions League. And there's no scientific reason to shut down stadia without shutting down far more besides it.
Why would you shut down footie when the tube is open ?
Because you're a fanatic populist trying to look tough while ignoring the science?
Like seriously. Where is the Bill Clinton or Obama type figure? Biden can barely finish a thought, and no that isnt just his stutter
I guess it shows how unusual these figures are.
Buttigieg tried but it seems he was one term too soon.
Kennedy is waiting in the wings.
Kennedy-Buttigieg 2024 v Pence in my view if Biden fails to beat Trump in November but I think Biden v Trump will be very close, maybe the closest election since Bush v Gore in 2000.
At the moment my closest guess is Biden picks up Pennsylvania and North Carolina but Trump holds Michigan, Wisconsin and Florida to win 270 to 268
I agree with that except for Michigan where Biden is 4.8% ahead of Trump on average. Biden wins 283 to 255.
Liverpool have just scored....this is possibly one of those seminal games of football...a bit like when Germany played England on Christmas Day during WW1 over the trenches....
I wonder how many extra fatalities will occur as a result of packing 60,000 in a stadium at this stage of the crisis
Worth it to have a home crowd at Anfield
Sport is like many other activities an optional event, it shouldn’t be taking place it is not essential to the functioning of the world. It sends the wrong message to people that everything is normal. More fool those who have gone to the match but I feel sorry for those who will be ‘collateral damage’.
Heretic. Sport in Anfield isn't a matter of life or death, its more important than that.
Liverpool has seen enough of the impact of poor decision making. This could prove to be another case but it really is only a game and irrelevant in the big picture.
Its not only a game, its the Champions League. And there's no scientific reason to shut down stadia without shutting down far more besides it.
Why would you shut down footie when the tube is open ?
Add in the (well reasoned) argument that they’d all go to the pub to watch it, and you’re more likely to pass on an illness in a crowded match day pub.
I assume the game theory types in Downing Street have factored in the day in which the newspapers scream and beg for lockdown?
The key thing to consider is how many undiagnosed cases of Coronavirus are in the UK.
The outbreak has doubled in the UK in the last 4 days. If it continues at the same rate then we can expect around 5,000 total cases in 14 days time.
If that is the case then we can guess there are 500 diagnosed and 4,500 undiagnosed cases right now. Is this enough to make a lockdown worthwhile of a population of 60 million?
Based on the Italians struggling to cope with 12,000 cases its suggest we should lock down soon (maybe the next day or 2)
Up until now I have been confident with the government response. This evening, I am now starting to have major doubts.
Why aren't oldies being locked down. If we believe outside events are ok, why are we still hosting things like gigs. Sticking 1000 people in a confined hot sweaty space where they jump up and down with one another, sounds a terrible idea.
Also the weird claim from Hannock that 15 mins within 1m of somebody who is showing symptoms is when you are in danger, when all the academic literature published so people infectious before symptoms show and that you need to give people a much wider berth.
If Italy could look back two weeks they would absolutely quarantine the country...for fucks sake...Italy today....dead people cannot be collected, and anyone over 60 is not being hospitalised.....we have a two week window to do the right thing.....and Liverpool are playing Madrid with a full stadium....
Over 2.2k cases in Spain, most of them in Madrid. Its just madness.
Good goal though.
Well I’ve passed on a ticket to Wales v Scotland on Saturday. A) I’m recovering from a, fortunately, totally normal cold, and I want to completely and utterly recover, I clearly do not not even possibly want cough and sniffle sat next to a stranger which would be horrendous for them. B Whatever the advice from officialdom we shall be exercising a heightened degree of “social distancing” as precautionary common sense at present amongst other things. More meals in, lots of scrubbing, short foreign trip coming up in a couple of weeks may get binned.
I've got a dinner in Edinburgh on Friday night which will involve an overnight stay. I am increasingly unsure its a good idea. The world is changing fast.
I had to go in to Edinburgh today and there was someone sat at a table in a coffee shop sniffling in to hankies, so I didn't stop for coffee. Even though Corona is unlikely, anyone that catches anything off them - NHS staff, police etc - will be excluded from work. I wish I could just self-isolate now. I am perplexed! Corona - get out!
Liverpool have just scored....this is possibly one of those seminal games of football...a bit like when Germany played England on Christmas Day during WW1 over the trenches....
I wonder how many extra fatalities will occur as a result of packing 60,000 in a stadium at this stage of the crisis
Worth it to have a home crowd at Anfield
Sport is like many other activities an optional event, it shouldn’t be taking place it is not essential to the functioning of the world. It sends the wrong message to people that everything is normal. More fool those who have gone to the match but I feel sorry for those who will be ‘collateral damage’.
Heretic. Sport in Anfield isn't a matter of life or death, its more important than that.
Liverpool has seen enough of the impact of poor decision making. This could prove to be another case but it really is only a game and irrelevant in the big picture.
Its not only a game, its the Champions League. And there's no scientific reason to shut down stadia without shutting down far more besides it.
Why would you shut down footie when the tube is open ?
Add in the (well reasoned) argument that they’d all go to the pub to watch it, and you’re more likely to pass on an illness in a crowded match day pub.
Liverpool have just scored....this is possibly one of those seminal games of football...a bit like when Germany played England on Christmas Day during WW1 over the trenches....
I wonder how many extra fatalities will occur as a result of packing 60,000 in a stadium at this stage of the crisis
Worth it to have a home crowd at Anfield
Sport is like many other activities an optional event, it shouldn’t be taking place it is not essential to the functioning of the world. It sends the wrong message to people that everything is normal. More fool those who have gone to the match but I feel sorry for those who will be ‘collateral damage’.
Heretic. Sport in Anfield isn't a matter of life or death, its more important than that.
Liverpool has seen enough of the impact of poor decision making. This could prove to be another case but it really is only a game and irrelevant in the big picture.
Its not only a game, its the Champions League. And there's no scientific reason to shut down stadia without shutting down far more besides it.
Why would you shut down footie when the tube is open ?
Add in the (well reasoned) argument that they’d all go to the pub to watch it, and you’re more likely to pass on an illness in a crowded match day pub.
Liverpool have just scored....this is possibly one of those seminal games of football...a bit like when Germany played England on Christmas Day during WW1 over the trenches....
I wonder how many extra fatalities will occur as a result of packing 60,000 in a stadium at this stage of the crisis
Worth it to have a home crowd at Anfield
Sport is like many other activities an optional event, it shouldn’t be taking place it is not essential to the functioning of the world. It sends the wrong message to people that everything is normal. More fool those who have gone to the match but I feel sorry for those who will be ‘collateral damage’.
Heretic. Sport in Anfield isn't a matter of life or death, its more important than that.
Liverpool has seen enough of the impact of poor decision making. This could prove to be another case but it really is only a game and irrelevant in the big picture.
Its not only a game, its the Champions League. And there's no scientific reason to shut down stadia without shutting down far more besides it.
Why would you shut down footie when the tube is open ?
They are playing a team from a city that has over 1200 active cases, I do believe away supporters are in the crowd. Madrid is close to total lockdown but it’s ok to play a game of football with x thousand of away supporters not just in the stadium but in the bars, airport, hotels etc throughout the city.
Ha. Don’t believe the spin. The day trumponomics came to town, sweeping away a hundred years of proud fiscal conservatism? The Trump party formerly known as the Conservatives. 🤣
Whoever wrote this garbled budget is a complete novice. Not an Iron Chancellor, an Intern Chancellor. You just don’t do the big splurge to meet election promises in first budget coming to power. This insane budget is so Labour 74, the landscape of lack of money and growth to commit clearly so 74, like the lessons aren’t there in history to learn from?
The IMF already got the kettle on. Two sugars is it Mr Sunak, or are you already sweet enough?
I assume the game theory types in Downing Street have factored in the day in which the newspapers scream and beg for lockdown?
The key thing to consider is how many undiagnosed cases of Coronavirus are in the UK.
The outbreak has doubled in the UK in the last 4 days. If it continues at the same rate then we can expect around 5,000 total cases in 14 days time.
If that is the case then we can guess there are 500 diagnosed and 4,500 undiagnosed cases right now. Is this enough to make a lockdown worthwhile of a population of 60 million?
Based on the Italians struggling to cope with 12,000 cases its suggest we should lock down soon (maybe the next day or 2)
Comparing countries is a bit moot - how many tests, why are tests being performed- are they testing close contact subjects etc, testing sick vs healthy subjects.
Well I think the problem is the population really weren't taking the existing lockdown seriously. Self certifying your reason to travel, bars / restaurants still open, etc, means lots of opportunities to find to go out.
Now they are making it so there is no good reason to go outside.
Liverpool have just scored....this is possibly one of those seminal games of football...a bit like when Germany played England on Christmas Day during WW1 over the trenches....
I wonder how many extra fatalities will occur as a result of packing 60,000 in a stadium at this stage of the crisis
Worth it to have a home crowd at Anfield
Sport is like many other activities an optional event, it shouldn’t be taking place it is not essential to the functioning of the world. It sends the wrong message to people that everything is normal. More fool those who have gone to the match but I feel sorry for those who will be ‘collateral damage’.
Heretic. Sport in Anfield isn't a matter of life or death, its more important than that.
Liverpool has seen enough of the impact of poor decision making. This could prove to be another case but it really is only a game and irrelevant in the big picture.
Its not only a game, its the Champions League. And there's no scientific reason to shut down stadia without shutting down far more besides it.
Conveniently ignoring the fact it has unnecessarily brought thousands of fans from the virus hotspot of Madrid into the UK. Idiot
Countries that are prepared will see a fatality rate of ~0.5% (South Korea) to 0.9% (rest of China).
Countries that are overwhelmed will have a fatality rate between ~3%-5%
Put in another way: Countries that act fast can reduce the number of deaths by ten. And that’s just counting the fatality rate. Acting fast also drastically reduces the cases, making this even more of a no-brainer."
Not a big fan of Horton personally. But I think it is useful to prick this idea of immutable scientific advice cast down by the... Gods.
There are clearly a range of views, interpretations and ultimately preferences on trading off costs and benefits. The government is taking one path, other countries, notably the East Asians, Israel, Saudi, UAE are taking a different path.
Managed decline? Lack of ambition? Faulty baseline assumptions?
I assume the game theory types in Downing Street have factored in the day in which the newspapers scream and beg for lockdown?
To be fair, that's quite astute psychology - much easier to implement and enforce draconian measures when the public are begging you for them than when they're still blasé resistant.
Today was the first time people at my work had gotten into an extended discussion about about the coronavirus. Concern without extravagant posturing was the general tone.
My team - juniors are relaxed. One of my directors is seriously scared (but just wanted to work from home because she’s been asking to for a year) while it’s business as usual for the officers.
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They are (all) being told to work from home on Friday to field test remote working en masse and see how the business support systems need to adapt to sustain it.
If Trump is defeated this year, what happens to the GOP? Does it move away from Trump populism to a more mainstream conservative position. Haley would be a runner but there would be others and the 2024 GOP primary field might start as crowded as the 2020 Democrat race.
The same question holds true here - as you rightly say, there are those who voted for Boris as distinct from the Conservative Party. Once a populist is no longer popular and is defeated or ousted what happens to the party the populist hijacked?
As an aside, the London Mayoral poll was disastrous for Siobhan Benita and disappointing for Shaun Bailey who has frankly made zero impact and trails Khan by a country mile facing a 2-1 defeat on second preferences.
To this observer, Bailey's response to every question seems to be to recruit more Police officers. He looks and sounds one dimensional - his only grace is Stewart is getting nowhere slowly.
It may be Khan will win outright on the first round and put Bailey out of his misery.
(There’s no right or wrong answer AFAIK, but I thought Monday night which is presumably the night where most people are at home, back after long weekends, least busy night for evening events etc)
I wonder how many extra fatalities will occur as a result of packing 60,000 in a stadium at this stage of the crisis
Good goal though.
Annoying as it's only five days before my Isle of Wight holiday.
Worse than saying nothing at all.
The object is to cut off social interaction at the point when the peak demand for health services - which lags by up to two weeks - is within the capacity of what you can provide.
Quite clearly they didn’t do this in Lombardy, and hospitals there are overwhelmed.
Our hospitals are a long way from that sort of pressure - most of them are as yet hardly troubled by actually treating seriously ill carriers.
Judging when to move is a balancing act - but moving too early is just as bad, as the object is to have a slice of the population infected before you close down interaction.
Then when quarantine is lifted, you allow the virus to start spreading from a lower base of active carriers, and with that slice of the population immune.
It’s a cycle we may have to repeat several times. Explaining the object is going to be difficult for politicians, as it tacitly admits that people will die.
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1237823663682064384
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca
A renewed plunge in financial markets on Wednesday ended an 11-year bull market for the Dow Jones industrial average as the economic threat posed by the coronavirus outbreak came into stark relief.
Surely the risk is much higher for workers that use public transport to get to work and those in large office blocks in the middle of cities ?
If Trump loses though moderates like Haley and Romney might have a better shot in 2024. Boris has already been re elected so a slightly different scenario.
Khan is going to win but he beats Stewart by less than Bailey in run off polling
Hence the stress testing. Sounds sensible. We struggled last year when the office got closed due to a water leak, and everyone was trying to get on the VPN at once. IT increased capacity soon after in response.
All commercial activities in Italy will be closed except for supermarkets, food and pharmacies.
Industries can stay open if they can guarantee some safety measures for workers.
Banks, post offices and transport will stay open.
All shops and restaurants apart from chemist and food shops will close throughout Italy
Tuesday is the busiest workday.
"Due to the ongoing spread of novel coronavirus, there have been a number of calls to Swim England about whether it is safe to still go swimming.
The Pool Water Treatment and Advisory Group (PWTAG) has been in contact with Public Health England regarding novel coronavirus.
A spokesperson for PWTAG said: “Public health opinion is that it is generally safe to go swimming at this time.
“Water and the chlorine within swimming pools will help to kill the virus."
https://www.swimming.org/swimengland/coronavirus-advice/
Dmail: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8100411/Number-UK-coronavirus-cases-soars-456.html
I assume the game theory types in Downing Street have factored in the day in which the newspapers scream and beg for lockdown?
Feels like a bit of a change after COBR tomorrow, and then more as the legislation kicks in early next week.
As someone who studied the US political system...I never thought it could allow someone like Trump as POTUS who flagrantly disregarded its checks and balances...now facing possibly the biggest internal crisis of its existence I cannot see how it could allow Trump to continue......
Denmark just went into lockdown. They've got about 13x as many cases per capita as us and rapidly increasing, so makes sense. Norway is even worse so I guess won't be far behind.
Received text just now that this service is suspended and no one must come to the surgery without first having phoned, received triage and instructions given
In effect stopping all and sundry walking in.
Fully support this move, although I was going to call in at 8.00am tomorrrow over an ongoing health issue
Especially in the matter of statistics.
https://www.ssi.dk/aktuelt/sygdomsudbrud/coronavirus
The outbreak has doubled in the UK in the last 4 days. If it continues at the same rate then we can expect around 5,000 total cases in 14 days time.
If that is the case then we can guess there are 500 diagnosed and 4,500 undiagnosed cases right now. Is this enough to make a lockdown worthwhile of a population of 60 million?
Based on the Italians struggling to cope with 12,000 cases its suggest we should lock down soon (maybe the next day or 2)
Why aren't oldies being locked down. If we believe outside events are ok, why are we still hosting things like gigs. Sticking 1000 people in a confined hot sweaty space where they jump up and down with one another, sounds a terrible idea.
Also the weird claim from Hannock that 15 mins within 1m of somebody who is showing symptoms is when you are in danger, when all the academic literature published so people infectious before symptoms show and that you need to give people a much wider berth.
Whoever wrote this garbled budget is a complete novice. Not an Iron Chancellor, an Intern Chancellor. You just don’t do the big splurge to meet election promises in first budget coming to power. This insane budget is so Labour 74, the landscape of lack of money and growth to commit clearly so 74, like the lessons aren’t there in history to learn from?
The IMF already got the kettle on. Two sugars is it Mr Sunak, or are you already sweet enough?
Apples with pears.
https://twitter.com/carlquintanilla/status/1237844289322811392
Now they are making it so there is no good reason to go outside.
Countries that are prepared will see a fatality rate of ~0.5% (South Korea) to 0.9% (rest of China).
Countries that are overwhelmed will have a fatality rate between ~3%-5%
Put in another way: Countries that act fast can reduce the number of deaths by ten. And that’s just counting the fatality rate. Acting fast also drastically reduces the cases, making this even more of a no-brainer."
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca
There are clearly a range of views, interpretations and ultimately preferences on trading off costs and benefits. The government is taking one path, other countries, notably the East Asians, Israel, Saudi, UAE are taking a different path.
Managed decline? Lack of ambition? Faulty baseline assumptions?
I fear so.