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  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    eadric said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I do hope Boris hasn’t got meetings with any nonagenarians planned...

    Every Wednesday with Her Majesty.
    Surely Liz is going to locked away now for the next 6 months. And Prince Philip, he is already in terrible health.
    Yes can't be long before they fly them up to Balmoral?
    Balmy climate and an island.
    Being a small island is no protection - Guernsey has a case (import from Tenerife) with no doubt more to follow.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,128
    Pulpstar said:

    Midnightometer

    V Good for Sanders - N Dakota instantly called for him, Mississippi and Missouri no calls

    Good for Sanders Insta call ND, no call MO, MS called for Biden

    Average - MS called for Biden, no call ND, no call on MO

    What I expect (And poor for Sanders) : MO instantly called, MS instantly called, ND no call

    Concede instantly time : ND called for Biden.

    So average on the midnightometer. MS looks massive for Biden mind
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    eadric said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I do hope Boris hasn’t got meetings with any nonagenarians planned...

    Every Wednesday with Her Majesty.
    Surely Liz is going to locked away now for the next 6 months. And Prince Philip, he is already in terrible health.
    Yes can't be long before they fly them up to Balmoral?
    Balmy climate and an island.
    Being a small island is no protection - Guernsey has a case (import from Tenerife) with no doubt more to follow.
    and Jersey

    https://www.itv.com/news/channel/2020-03-10/first-case-of-coronavirus-confirmed-in-jersey/
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,513
    The figures show Norway has more cases than the UK. Is that credible, or is it because their testing regime is better than ours?

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Some interesting "Hot Spots" - Devon & Torbay - 20 cases, Cornwall 4:

    https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,671
    Andy_JS said:

    The figures show Norway has more cases than the UK. Is that credible, or is it because their testing regime is better than ours?

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    Going skiing is clearly a big problem....
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422

    eadric said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I do hope Boris hasn’t got meetings with any nonagenarians planned...

    Every Wednesday with Her Majesty.
    Surely Liz is going to locked away now for the next 6 months. And Prince Philip, he is already in terrible health.
    Yes can't be long before they fly them up to Balmoral?
    Balmy climate and an island.
    Being a small island is no protection - Guernsey has a case (import from Tenerife) with no doubt more to follow.
    Talking of which, the Guernsey government has put together a self help guide on self isolation:

    https://gov.gg/selfisolate
  • Wow, Sanders is taking an absolute pasting from African American voters, sinking since NC.

    Moves like missing Selma, and bottling out of the Flint speech not playing too well.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,267
    edited March 2020
    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter. com/Politics_Polls/status/1237529209678868481?s=20

    https://twitter. com/Politics_Polls/status/1237531124848414720?s=20

    V bad night for Sanders by the looks of it.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,286
    Chameleon said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter. com/Politics_Polls/status/1237529209678868481?s=20

    https://twitter. com/Politics_Polls/status/1237531124848414720?s=20

    V bad night for Sanders by the looks of it.
    Though Michigan 1% in

    Sanders 51%
    Biden 46%

    https://edition.cnn.com/election/2020/state/michigan
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Andy_JS said:

    The figures show Norway has more cases than the UK. Is that credible, or is it because their testing regime is better than ours?

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    Local press suggests a lower figure (but still high per capita):

    https://www.thelocal.no/20200310/coronavirus-cases-in-norway-at-192-as-first-patients-admitted-to-hospital
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,719

    GIN1138 said:

    I do hope Boris hasn’t got meetings with any nonagenarians planned...

    Every Wednesday with Her Majesty.
    Surely Liz is going to locked away now for the next 6 months. And Prince Philip, he is already in terrible health.
    Yes can't be long before they fly them up to Balmoral?
    I think if they did succumb, we won't hear about it. I think it will be covered up for as long as possible, as it will just have people come out onto the streets.
    I assume HM and HRH are being kept in isolation pods at this moment. :p
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,671
    RobD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I do hope Boris hasn’t got meetings with any nonagenarians planned...

    Every Wednesday with Her Majesty.
    Surely Liz is going to locked away now for the next 6 months. And Prince Philip, he is already in terrible health.
    Yes can't be long before they fly them up to Balmoral?
    I think if they did succumb, we won't hear about it. I think it will be covered up for as long as possible, as it will just have people come out onto the streets.
    I assume HM and HRH are being kept in isolation pods at this moment. :p
    In those things you go Zorbing in.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,286
    Biden now back ahead in Michigan 49% to 47% for Sanders

    https://edition.cnn.com/election/2020/state/michigan
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,286
    Sanders retakes the lead with 4% in from Michigan

    Sanders 49%
    Biden 46%

    https://edition.cnn.com/election/2020/state/michigan
  • Seeing some commentators calling Michigan for Biden, and if that's even a narrow Biden win, Sanders' race is over.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,286
  • MonkeysMonkeys Posts: 820


    Do health warnings have any effect on smokers ?

    I mean you have to be pretty determined and/or addicted and/or stupid to smoke now.

    This is an interesting question and I believe the evidence base is still patchy on exactly why smokers choose to quit (at that particular moment in time). Especially complicated by the fact many smokers consistently claim they want to quit (though they may just be telling researchers what they want to hear!) but do not actually attempt to do so.

    In what little research I've seen on this (there's far more out there on how to quit successfully than on how to trigger smokers to initiate an attempt at cessation) it seems the abstract possibility of poor health in the future was less strong a driver than a more concrete health event like being given a diagnosis of poor health by a doctor. Which makes a lot of psychological sense; if you've smoked for a while already, why not, in the former case, decide "I'll give up, just not today, maybe later this year" or similar? And then naturally, whichever day you're in is not the day you're going to quit... Whereas the latter case suggests, if you're going to quit at all, then right now is the time to do so. Would the possibility of an imminent pandemic be sufficiently concrete and undeferrable to cause anyone to quit? Dunno. Don't even know if there's relevant research out there. Neither health promotion nor psychology lies near my specialist area I'm afraid.

    There is a separate ethical argument that people deserve to be told - those people who possess this information should make an active effort to convey it to them - what steps they can take to improve their chances of survival in a pandemic. Which they may, quite likely, ignore entirely, but at least they were informed.

    (There's also a more draconian ethical argument that, since smoking is now slightly more dangerous than we previously knew, and smokers' capacity to make free, informed decisions about cigarette use is limited by their addictive nature, the government should introduce further restrictions on the sale of tobacco. This is the kind of line that TMay might have bought but I'd be surprised if BoJo did! Though if tobacco sin taxes do get hiked up, I wonder if we'll hear this reasoning/excuse.)
    We'll be at the point soon where homeless people will be lighting up Partagas as the relative difference between them and Lambert and Butler or whatever people smoke now won't be that much.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,267
    Biden with a 10% lead before Detroit even starts. This is going to be crushing.
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749
    TGOHF666 said:
    What’s interesting here is the length of time for results both neg and positive. Brother and family of work colleague back from Italy 9 days since tested still waiting for result
  • Multiple sources calling Michigan for Biden. Sanders is getting hammered.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,669
    edited March 2020
    If Sanders can get a win or two, and even if he can't, the next debate event will be dominated by healthcare. He won't give up the fight easily and will use the next debate as a national health platform.

    That may be influential on what Biden, or his replacement , does later in the year.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,267
    edited March 2020
    Sanders struggling to beat Bloomberg in Missouri so far...
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749

    Seeing some commentators calling Michigan for Biden, and if that's even a narrow Biden win, Sanders' race is over.

    I enlarged you avatar, because I suddenly thought it’s not the guy from elo I thought it was
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,128

    Multiple sources calling Michigan for Biden. Sanders is getting hammered.

    Sanders is behind without Wayne county. Big win for Joe
  • Once Detroit gets counted, this could look very bleak for Sanders.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,286

    Once Detroit gets counted, this could look very bleak for Sanders.

    Though not necessarily for Trump in the state

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1237216654242635777?s=20
  • Barbra Streisand has endorsed Joe Biden, and I officially declare this race to be over.
  • Game over Bernie....looks like a crushing night
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,769

    Barbra Streisand has endorsed Joe Biden, and I officially declare this race to be over.

    Why didn't she do that 6 months ago and save everyone a lot of bother
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,751
    Oh for fuck’s sake - Chris Grayling to be Chair of the Intelligence Committee!!

    Please tell me this isn’t true.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,769
    HYUFD said:

    Once Detroit gets counted, this could look very bleak for Sanders.

    Though not necessarily for Trump in the state

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1237216654242635777?s=20
    Outside cherry-picked polls Biden and Sanders both poll the same against Trump.
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/mi/michigan_trump_vs_biden-6761.html
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/mi/michigan_trump_vs_sanders-6768.html
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,719
    Cyclefree said:

    Oh for fuck’s sake - Chris Grayling to be Chair of the Intelligence Committee!!

    Please tell me this isn’t true.

    Maybe too much civilian oversight is a bad thing? ;)
  • Sanders is getting beaten like a ginger stepchild, here. Is he going to drag this all the way to the DNC again?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,286

    HYUFD said:

    Once Detroit gets counted, this could look very bleak for Sanders.

    Though not necessarily for Trump in the state

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1237216654242635777?s=20
    Outside cherry-picked polls Biden and Sanders both poll the same against Trump.
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/mi/michigan_trump_vs_biden-6761.html
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/mi/michigan_trump_vs_sanders-6768.html
    That is the latest Michigan general election poll
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749
    Does anyone else feel the press (and ITN early evening news) like reporting the top end of government predictions health service has to plan for as though that’s the certainty to happen? Reminds me of previous health scares British press went to town on.

    Early 90s, Mad Cow Disease. All over the media for weeks in an attempt to scare us shitless. If you missed it, started harmless enough in local media laughing at cows stumbling along. What, are they drunk. No their brains turned into sponge. And enough of these cows have been slipped into the food chain now we have all eaten some. As heartbreaking stories of mothers nursing their twenty year olds who had been bubbly and well till diagnosis, as the brain now turns to sponge and dribbling gibberish death fill the papers, government minister stuffing beef into his kids mouthsin public to save farming industry. I’m not making this up.

    Also 90s, was it 94, Flesh Eating Space Bug. Oh boy the press loved reporting a spike in these cases you could have been fooled into thinking we were on verge of a pandemic. a severe disease of sudden onset that spreads rapidly. ... Typically, the infection enters the body through a break in the skin such as a cut or burn. One minute you had a sore throat next your arm is gone, the flesh eaten away, or it’s knawing rapidly through your neck or head. Technically not a flesh eating virus, nor a pandemic, and nor did it come from space. It actually comes from the oysters you had as starter. Amusingly the tabloids still like a bit of space bug from time to time.

    No example tops these two?
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,267
    Sanders at serious risk of only being viable in a few districts in Mississippi.
  • Sanders is getting beaten like a ginger stepchild, here. Is he going to drag this all the way to the DNC again?

    He should use this to make a roaring rallying cry for healthcare at the next debate and then bow out.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    edited March 2020
    Cyclefree said:

    Oh for fuck’s sake - Chris Grayling to be Chair of the Intelligence Committee!!

    Please tell me this isn’t true.

    Don't the MPs on the Committee elect the chair - so technically only membership of the committee is within Johnson's gift? If Committee members feel strongly enough about it, they can choose someone else. We've already had our first Tory rebellion....

    EDIT - its all MPs:

    A secret ballot using the alternative vote system is used to elect committee chairs, and all MPs (irrespective of party) have a vote on every chair. Despite the introduction of elections for committee chairs in 2010, it is common for many candidates to stand unopposed, somewhat undermining the principle of election and suggesting the choice of committee chair is left to internal party politics.

    In 2017, the chair of 17 committees was not contested, up from 11 in 2015. Both SNP chairs (Angus MacNeil for international trade and Pete Wishart for Scottish affairs) were elected unopposed


    https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/election-select-committees

    Key will be to get another Tory to stand.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,769
    egg said:

    Reminds me of previous health scares British press went to town on.

    Do you ever watch news about things happening in other countries?
  • Yang is on CNN right now, calls the whole thing for Biden and endorses him.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,751

    Cyclefree said:

    Oh for fuck’s sake - Chris Grayling to be Chair of the Intelligence Committee!!

    Please tell me this isn’t true.

    Don't the MPs on the Committee elect the chair - so technically only membership of the committee is within Johnson's gift? If Committee members feel strongly enough about it, they can choose someone else. We've already had our first Tory rebellion....

    EDIT - its all MPs:

    A secret ballot using the alternative vote system is used to elect committee chairs, and all MPs (irrespective of party) have a vote on every chair. Despite the introduction of elections for committee chairs in 2010, it is common for many candidates to stand unopposed, somewhat undermining the principle of election and suggesting the choice of committee chair is left to internal party politics.

    In 2017, the chair of 17 committees was not contested, up from 11 in 2015. Both SNP chairs (Angus MacNeil for international trade and Pete Wishart for Scottish affairs) were elected unopposed


    https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/election-select-committees

    Key will be to get another Tory to stand.
    Why is Grayling even on the Committee? The man is a Grade A moron and should be sat at the back of a room somewhere making raffia baskets.
  • Small Twitter rumour from stateside commentators that Sanders will suspend campaign this week.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,769
    Bernie bros in my twitters generally speaking about the race in the past tense. Everyone knows it's over, Sanders is going to find it hard to justify keeping it going now there are health risks involved.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,898
    I can confirm that Portcullis House was still packed yesterday. And still plenty of handshakes from MPs.

    And as I said the day before, the Houses of Parliament still seemed to have masses of young people wandering around the place in groups. Not all of which were British, by the sound of them. Maybe the time to curtail those at least?

    If only to protect the young.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,769

    I can confirm that Portcullis House was still packed yesterday. And still plenty of handshakes from MPs.

    And as I said the day before, the Houses of Parliament still seemed to have masses of young people wandering around the place in groups. Not all of which were British, by the sound of them. Maybe the time to curtail those at least?

    If only to protect the young.

    The inability of the British government to look 3 weeks into the future is just astonishing. I could understand it when it was just people with spreadsheets theorizing about what *might* happen, but the future has already come to a bunch of other countries. WTF is wrong with these people?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,898
    Chris Grayling's promotion is the clearest evidence yet that post Huawei, nobody is sharing intel data with us any more.....
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,894
    Some North Dakota votes are finally starting to come in.
  • The Democrats pick the one candidate guaranteed to debate - and match up poorly with - Trump. Did Walter Mondale not feel like coming out of retirement?
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,769
    edited March 2020

    The Democrats pick the one candidate guaranteed to debate - and match up poorly with - Trump. Did Walter Mondale not feel like coming out of retirement?

    I disagree, I think he'll do well in a debate with Trump.

    He won't be over-awed by him - which was a risk with Mayor Pete or Baemy - and he's had 9 months of practice, while Trump has systematically eliminated anyone who disagrees with him. Biden's got noticeably sharper during that time, and the weak parts - when the moderator says "what are you going to do about biofuels" and he has to remember a list of minor things his advisors told him he's going to do about biofuels - won't really apply. He does fine on the big themes, and to the extent that it'll be a mess, both candidates will be a mess.
  • The Democrats pick the one candidate guaranteed to debate - and match up poorly with - Trump. Did Walter Mondale not feel like coming out of retirement?

    I disagree, I think he'll do well in a debate with Trump.

    He won't be over-awed by him - which was a risk with Mayor Pete or Baemy - and he's had 9 months of practice, while Trump has systematically eliminated anyone who disagrees with him. Biden's got noticeably sharper during that time, and the weak parts - when the moderator says "what are you going to do about biofuels" and he has to remember a list of minor things his advisors told him he's going to do about biofuels - won't really apply. He does fine on the big themes, and to the extent that it'll be a mess, both candidates will be a mess.
    I watched the debates. He was not good. Shaky on detail, tending to sputter. A lot of deer in headlights moments. His "best" moments were when he went into full "get off my lawn" shouting mode.
  • Expert pandemic advice: yes please
    Reliance on models at the expense of much maligned common sense: no thanks

    Some of the pronouncements of the gov do leave one wondering
    I for one, just cannot get my head around the fact that incoming flights from Italy are not being met with officials handing out ope(otherrs protective equipment).
    Getting on an airplane at all just now would seem fecking daft.
    Maybe we want to make sure we suffer thw financial economic impact as one with rest of the world rather than avoiding the worst now only to suffer it later as other countries recover and thrive?

    For those thinking trvel to and from countries with simmilar Infection rates of the UK I'd wonder about,(apart from the above), whether you wouldn't be increasing your susceptibility to becoming infected. I mean, in a way it's similar to Russian roulette? Or maybe there's several aquariums that each contain the same number of infectious fish that tend to stay in a specific region of aquarium, why, if wanting to not increase the odds of becoming infected dive into more than the one you are in.


  • Biden apparently has 'low double digit lead' in Washington.

    We're all done here.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,452
    It's good news for commodity importers... Like us and Italy...

    Hopefully I'll be able to use the opportunity to pick up an electric car at a discount.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,810
    edited March 2020
    Man City v Arsenal postponed.

    Arsenal players came into contact with Olympiakos owner who has Coronavirus (at Arsenal v Olympiakos).

    14 days expires tomorrow so Arsenal can play on Saturday.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51829511
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,980
    Morning all, and Happy Budget Day.

    Not good that a health minister got the virus, and she’s a trained nurse who will have followed advice - but has also spent a lot of time in hospitals and around infected people in recent weeks.

    I suspect we’re going to see an escalation in that government advice today, with a lot more self-isolation and working from home advised.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,980
    edited March 2020
    Biden now backed into 1.07 for the nomination, Sanders right out to 110.

    Usually you'd say that it was all over now, but this is the Democrat nomination race and anything can still happen!

    Hillary Clinton is only 36 (second favourite!), and Michelle Obama 65.

    Lay HRC at 40, pays 2.5% in three months!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,980
    Great news for oil importers, petrol prices to come flying down in the next few weeks.

    Brent Crude at $37 this morning, down 20% on the week but recovering slightly from earlier lows. Close to 50% down since the start of the year.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,841
    In pre-trading Wall Street has lost yesterday’s gains
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,205

    I can confirm that Portcullis House was still packed yesterday. And still plenty of handshakes from MPs.

    And as I said the day before, the Houses of Parliament still seemed to have masses of young people wandering around the place in groups. Not all of which were British, by the sound of them. Maybe the time to curtail those at least?

    If only to protect the young.

    The inability of the British government to look 3 weeks into the future is just astonishing. I could understand it when it was just people with spreadsheets theorizing about what *might* happen, but the future has already come to a bunch of other countries. WTF is wrong with these people?
    Yes, it’s not longer calm caution, so much as dickering around.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,841

    Expert pandemic advice: yes please
    Reliance on models at the expense of much maligned common sense: no thanks

    Some of the pronouncements of the gov do leave one wondering
    I for one, just cannot get my head around the fact that incoming flights from Italy are not being met with officials handing out ope(otherrs protective equipment).
    Getting on an airplane at all just now would seem fecking daft.
    Maybe we want to make sure we suffer thw financial economic impact as one with rest of the world rather than avoiding the worst now only to suffer it later as other countries recover and thrive?

    For those thinking trvel to and from countries with simmilar Infection rates of the UK I'd wonder about,(apart from the above), whether you wouldn't be increasing your susceptibility to becoming infected. I mean, in a way it's similar to Russian roulette? Or maybe there's several aquariums that each contain the same number of infectious fish that tend to stay in a specific region of aquarium, why, if wanting to not increase the odds of becoming infected dive into more than the one you are in.


    Welcome to PB.

    The expert article on CNN, linked below, is worth a read. He thinks travel restrictions are a waste of time, now that the virus is everywhere,
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,545
    Sandpit said:

    Great news for oil importers, petrol prices to come flying down in the next few weeks.

    Brent Crude at $37 this morning, down 20% on the week but recovering slightly from earlier lows. Close to 50% down since the start of the year.
    I wonder if the Saudis see this as a good chance to hit Iran when they are down
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,841

    I can confirm that Portcullis House was still packed yesterday. And still plenty of handshakes from MPs.

    And as I said the day before, the Houses of Parliament still seemed to have masses of young people wandering around the place in groups. Not all of which were British, by the sound of them. Maybe the time to curtail those at least?

    If only to protect the young.

    Sorry to repeat what I said downthread, but purely from a risk management point of view, looking not just at likelihood but the severity of consequences, it would make sense to apply stricter rules (compared to what the general public are being advised to do) around MPs and particularly the Cabinet. We have quite a lot of older MPs, MPs seem to mix a lot with each other and with other senior figures which looks like a ripe situation for spreading viruses (and indeed virus spreading among the elite seems to have happened in Iran, France, Italy...) and this would not be an ideal time for senior leadership (not just politicos but the top end of the civil service) being sent home to self-isolate, let alone ending up in hospital.

    The fact that even fairly simple measures don't seem to be being taken makes me wonder whether separate risk assessments for our top tier of government are not being undertaken? Or if they are, whether the risk has been deemed to be very low, e.g. because community transmission is considered highly unlikely?
    No, it’s because they know already that the virus can’t be stopped. The purpose of the isolation and the rest is now delay, to buy time and spread the load on the NHS. They will want to make an exception for themselves, give their “key” role and the difficulty of going into isolation, and one small group won’t make that much difference on the global impact on health services.

    The challenge they are going to have is persuading people to do one thing whilst doing something different themselves,
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    Still in Israel. Hoping to fly back to the UK today. Spoke to my wife last night. She’s not feeling well. Thinks it’s just a cold. I hope she’s right. Stay safe everyone and stay at home. Do not be a total dick like me!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,841

    Cyclefree said:

    Oh for fuck’s sake - Chris Grayling to be Chair of the Intelligence Committee!!

    Please tell me this isn’t true.

    Don't the MPs on the Committee elect the chair - so technically only membership of the committee is within Johnson's gift? If Committee members feel strongly enough about it, they can choose someone else. We've already had our first Tory rebellion....

    EDIT - its all MPs:

    A secret ballot using the alternative vote system is used to elect committee chairs, and all MPs (irrespective of party) have a vote on every chair. Despite the introduction of elections for committee chairs in 2010, it is common for many candidates to stand unopposed, somewhat undermining the principle of election and suggesting the choice of committee chair is left to internal party politics.

    In 2017, the chair of 17 committees was not contested, up from 11 in 2015. Both SNP chairs (Angus MacNeil for international trade and Pete Wishart for Scottish affairs) were elected unopposed


    https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/election-select-committees

    Key will be to get another Tory to stand.
    This one is an exception to the election rules, because of its critical nature. Left to an election, MPs might make the mistake of electing an accident prone numpty into thr position.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,230
    edited March 2020
    I see Dorries was at some meet and greet last Thursday (I guess in Downing Street). WTF are the government doing having those sorts of events?

    EDIT: Ah, International Women's Day - there's a fucking surprise.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,841
    edited March 2020
    IshmaelZ said:

    eadric said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I do hope Boris hasn’t got meetings with any nonagenarians planned...

    Every Wednesday with Her Majesty.
    Surely Liz is going to locked away now for the next 6 months. And Prince Philip, he is already in terrible health.
    Yes can't be long before they fly them up to Balmoral?
    Balmy climate and an island.
    Being a small island is no protection - Guernsey has a case (import from Tenerife) with no doubt more to follow.
    and Jersey

    https://www.itv.com/news/channel/2020-03-10/first-case-of-coronavirus-confirmed-in-jersey/
    ...
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,196
    Sandpit said:

    Biden now backed into 1.07 for the nomination, Sanders right out to 110.

    Usually you'd say that it was all over now, but this is the Democrat nomination race and anything can still happen!

    Hillary Clinton is only 36 (second favourite!), and Michelle Obama 65.

    Lay HRC at 40, pays 2.5% in three months!

    Utter insanity
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,841
    edited March 2020

    eadric said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I do hope Boris hasn’t got meetings with any nonagenarians planned...

    Every Wednesday with Her Majesty.
    Surely Liz is going to locked away now for the next 6 months. And Prince Philip, he is already in terrible health.
    Yes can't be long before they fly them up to Balmoral?
    Balmy climate and an island.
    Being a small island is no protection - Guernsey has a case (import from Tenerife) with no doubt more to follow.
    ...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,980

    Still in Israel. Hoping to fly back to the UK today. Spoke to my wife last night. She’s not feeling well. Thinks it’s just a cold. I hope she’s right. Stay safe everyone and stay at home. Do not be a total dick like me!

    Hope you have a safe and uneventful trip back, and that Mrs SO is okay. :+1:
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,841
    eadric said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I do hope Boris hasn’t got meetings with any nonagenarians planned...

    Every Wednesday with Her Majesty.
    Surely Liz is going to locked away now for the next 6 months. And Prince Philip, he is already in terrible health.
    Yes can't be long before they fly them up to Balmoral?
    Bit cold. Corona likes the cold.

    Does the royal family still own Osborne House? That would be ideal. Balmy climate and an island.

    I have a stupidly rich friend who is about to hunker down on the Isle of Wight. His temporary gaff is so glam he has his own beach.

    The ultra rich will survive.
    Wight itself has a case already. Some rich guy who has just been abroad,
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,980
    edited March 2020
    kamski said:

    Sandpit said:

    Great news for oil importers, petrol prices to come flying down in the next few weeks.

    Brent Crude at $37 this morning, down 20% on the week but recovering slightly from earlier lows. Close to 50% down since the start of the year.
    I wonder if the Saudis see this as a good chance to hit Iran when they are down
    I think it’s more about Russia, after they didn’t go along with the OPEC plan to limit production in the wake of reduced demand. Russia wanted to keep prices down (to around $50) to hit US shale, but the Saudis are driving the price down further to where Russia is also going to be taking losses. Saudi Aramco reckon their marginal cost is $2.80 a barrel, so they don’t care how low the price goes in the short term.

    Iran is a nice side-effect though, as far as the Saudis are concerned. The Persian Economy must be very close to total collapse now.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,898

    I can confirm that Portcullis House was still packed yesterday. And still plenty of handshakes from MPs.

    And as I said the day before, the Houses of Parliament still seemed to have masses of young people wandering around the place in groups. Not all of which were British, by the sound of them. Maybe the time to curtail those at least?

    If only to protect the young.

    The inability of the British government to look 3 weeks into the future is just astonishing. I could understand it when it was just people with spreadsheets theorizing about what *might* happen, but the future has already come to a bunch of other countries. WTF is wrong with these people?
    "Business as usual" is clearly not an appropriate message for the legislators to be sending out. For the past fortnight, it should have required an exceptional reason for a face-to-face business meeting with an MP. All meetings should have been done on the phone.

    And third party access to Westminster should have stopped.

    These measures should certainly be in place as of today. We need our MPs fit and able to be taking tough decisions for the nation.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    Sandpit said:

    Still in Israel. Hoping to fly back to the UK today. Spoke to my wife last night. She’s not feeling well. Thinks it’s just a cold. I hope she’s right. Stay safe everyone and stay at home. Do not be a total dick like me!

    Hope you have a safe and uneventful trip back, and that Mrs SO is okay. :+1:

    Cheers!

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    IanB2 said:

    eadric said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I do hope Boris hasn’t got meetings with any nonagenarians planned...

    Every Wednesday with Her Majesty.
    Surely Liz is going to locked away now for the next 6 months. And Prince Philip, he is already in terrible health.
    Yes can't be long before they fly them up to Balmoral?
    Bit cold. Corona likes the cold.

    Does the royal family still own Osborne House? That would be ideal. Balmy climate and an island.

    I have a stupidly rich friend who is about to hunker down on the Isle of Wight. His temporary gaff is so glam he has his own beach.

    The ultra rich will survive.
    Wight itself has a case already. Some rich guy who has just been abroad,
    Bit like Guernsey & Jersey - both imports, Tenerife and North Italy respectively.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,898

    Sandpit said:

    Biden now backed into 1.07 for the nomination, Sanders right out to 110.

    Usually you'd say that it was all over now, but this is the Democrat nomination race and anything can still happen!

    Hillary Clinton is only 36 (second favourite!), and Michelle Obama 65.

    Lay HRC at 40, pays 2.5% in three months!

    Utter insanity
    Except - the Democrat primary voters now don't want Sanders. Yet there are reasonable grounds for worrying that Biden's mental faculties are slipping away. Three months, there could be a vacancy for the job of candidate.

    HRC v Michelle at the Convention. C'mon, who wouldn't love to see that play out.....
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,841

    Sandpit said:

    Biden now backed into 1.07 for the nomination, Sanders right out to 110.

    Usually you'd say that it was all over now, but this is the Democrat nomination race and anything can still happen!

    Hillary Clinton is only 36 (second favourite!), and Michelle Obama 65.

    Lay HRC at 40, pays 2.5% in three months!

    Utter insanity
    Biden is heading for a convincing win at convention, but comes down with the virus beforehand. Doesn’t Clinton stand some chance of being a last minute replacement? Rather than putting up a decisively defeated loser. She has at least won a convention.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    SO, really sorry to hear that and I hope Mrs SO is okay.

    Eadric, under normal circumstances I think you'd be right. However, the virus isn't aware of social status and seems to be finding its way to cross our barriers.

    The Government are idiots. Not quite as bad as Trump but still displaying cavalier disregard to the nation's health.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,882
    edited March 2020
    Just read the thread. A lot of tosswazzocks knocking lumps out of each other on here last night. :-)

    Let's change the subject.

    What will be in the budget and how much will fuel duty get ramped?

    Me - I'm off out to hoard a tank of diesel.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,980

    Sandpit said:

    Biden now backed into 1.07 for the nomination, Sanders right out to 110.

    Usually you'd say that it was all over now, but this is the Democrat nomination race and anything can still happen!

    Hillary Clinton is only 36 (second favourite!), and Michelle Obama 65.

    Lay HRC at 40, pays 2.5% in three months!

    Utter insanity
    Except - the Democrat primary voters now don't want Sanders. Yet there are reasonable grounds for worrying that Biden's mental faculties are slipping away. Three months, there could be a vacancy for the job of candidate.

    HRC v Michelle at the Convention. C'mon, who wouldn't love to see that play out.....
    Me, who's very red on the pair of First Ladies!
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,769
    edited March 2020

    HRC v Michelle at the Convention. C'mon, who wouldn't love to see that play out.....

    That would be fun, but the Biden delegates supported Biden because they thought they should have someone experienced and electable, and Michelle fails the first, while HRC is the only person in the world to have empirically proven they can lose an election to the guy off Celebrity Apprentice.

    If Biden falls over late the job goes to his VP pick, if it's early I think you're looking at a smart pick who didn't run like Sherrod Brown, an elder statesman figure like John Kerry or Al Gore, or if they want somebody younger, one of the strong but failed candidates like Kamala Harris or Amy KLOBUCHAR.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,545
    btw Merkel's remarks about 70% of Germans getting infected were made in a meeting and reported by other participants, not made to the media. Merkel has said absolutely nothing so far in public. I am really shocked by her lack of leadership.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,898
    MattW said:

    Just read the thread. A lot of tosswazzocks knocking lumps out of each other on here last night. :-)

    Let's change the subject.

    What will be in the budget and how much will fuel duty get ramped?

    Me - I'm off out to hoard a tank of diesel.

    The Sun says no increase in fuel duty.

    Get back to bed!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,841
    Lol. My Waitrose delivery is coming this morning and there is no toilet paper. None, since I tagged a small pack as Ok for substation and yet nothing is coming.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    TOPPING said:

    eadric said:

    FPT

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    eadric said:

    eadric said:

    As many as '60 to 70 per cent' of Germans will be infected with the deadly coronavirus, Chancellor Angela Merkel warned today, as the contagion threatened to rip through Europe.

    She is therefore predicting that, on a conservative estimate, 480,000 Germans will die, and 4 million will require critical care in hospital. In the next few weeks.
    83 million living in Germany and by my maths 70% of that is 58 million

    Am I missing something or is she predicting 58 million Germans will be infected ?
    Yes, she is predicting that
    Maybe I misread your post - you seemed to say 4 million
    She was referring to the WHO worst case scenario:
    - up to 70% infected
    - 5-10% in critical care i.e. 4 million
    - 1% fatalities

    She didn't make a prediction.
    Why did she say it in the first place. Hostage to fortune
    Are you suggesting that the political leadership of the country stays silent about the impending crisis?
    She had refrained from comment thus far, largely.
    She already caused chaos with her open invitation to migrants when prudence would have been wise, so the same with this
    Why did her open invitation to migrants cause chaos?

    Did your life become more chaotic?
    It is accepted that she made a huge error which continues to be played out on the Greek border
    No it isn't.

    How did your life become more chaotic?
    It did for millions of migrants and communitues around Europe

    And why have the EU done nothing about the Greeks opening fire on the migrants
    Exactly on whose behalf are you speaking? Are you intimately acquainted with "millions of migrants and communities around Europe"?

    No of course you're not.

    You have precisely zero basis upon which to opine. A period of silence would be welcome now from you.
    Who on earth do you think you are.

    And many on this forum would endorse my views

    I will not be silent
    STFU Big G. Tell us about cruises and big armchairs. That's about it.
    Pathetic and sad - such intolerance and arrogance

    And no answer on why the EU are not preventing the Greeks firing on the migrants
    I suspect Topping has had a fine day at the Cheltenham races, and is now feeling a little, er, giddy.

    It is a rather embarrassing spectacle and he will likely apologise, with a hangover, tomorrow.
    Why was Angela Merkel's immigration policy such a disaster?
    1. It put strain on international relationships as it triggered a flow of migrants that had a major impact on neighbouring countries despite being done without consultation
    2. She then tried to force through reallocation of migrants to other EU countries which caused further strain
    3. It undermined the principle that asylum should be for those in greatest need not the youngest and strongest
    4. It probably played a role in the Brexit vote
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,898
    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Biden now backed into 1.07 for the nomination, Sanders right out to 110.

    Usually you'd say that it was all over now, but this is the Democrat nomination race and anything can still happen!

    Hillary Clinton is only 36 (second favourite!), and Michelle Obama 65.

    Lay HRC at 40, pays 2.5% in three months!

    Utter insanity
    Biden is heading for a convincing win at convention, but comes down with the virus beforehand. Doesn’t Clinton stand some chance of being a last minute replacement? Rather than putting up a decisively defeated loser. She has at least won a convention.
    She's also won a popular vote against Trump.

    Are there no Trump voters out there with buyer's remorse?

    We need polling.....
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,769


    She's also won a popular vote against Trump.

    Are there no Trump voters out there with buyer's remorse?

    We need polling.....

    If you want to know what a shitty candidate Hillary was, compare her results at the same point in the cycle against the same opposing candidate to Biden's.
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