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imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Mid-Beds MP Nadine Dorries becomes the first to be diagnosed with Covid-19

Department of Health has confirmed to Sky News that health minister Nadine Dorries has tested positive for covid-19

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  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,385
    edited March 2020
    All the best Nadine.

    Oh, and first!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    First. Like Nadine
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Oops second. So are MPs going to follow the official advice on 14 days’ self-isolation?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,601
    https://twitter.com/labisbeticah/status/1236954229186723840
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    Coronad.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    IanB2 said:

    Oops second. So are MPs going to follow the official advice on 14 days’ self-isolation?

    It will be a quiet budget then!
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Feck me - that complicates things
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,225
    The paper’s reporting that Dorries has “met hundreds of people in parliament in the past week and attended a reception at No 10 with Boris Johnson”. She is said to be recovering...

    Also reported she first felt ill at the weekend while holding a constituency surgery....

    So much for social distancing.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    Now I've found out that Nadine Dorries was a health minister the uselessness of the British response is making more sense.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    FPT
    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    eadric said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    eadric said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    As many as '60 to 70 per cent' of Germans will be infected with the deadly coronavirus, Chancellor Angela Merkel warned today, as the contagion threatened to rip through Europe.

    She is therefore predicting that, on a conservative estimate, 480,000 Germans will die, and 4 million will require critical care in hospital. In the next few weeks.
    83 million living in Germany and by my maths 70% of that is 58 million

    Am I missing something or is she predicting 58 million Germans will be infected ?
    Yes, she is predicting that
    Maybe I misread your post - you seemed to say 4 million
    She was referring to the WHO worst case scenario:
    - up to 70% infected
    - 5-10% in critical care i.e. 4 million
    - 1% fatalities

    She didn't make a prediction.
    Why did she say it in the first place. Hostage to fortune
    Are you suggesting that the political leadership of the country stays silent about the impending crisis?
    She had refrained from comment thus far, largely.
    She already caused chaos with her open invitation to migrants when prudence would have been wise, so the same with this
    Why did her open invitation to migrants cause chaos?

    Did your life become more chaotic?
    It is accepted that she made a huge error which continues to be played out on the Greek border
    No it isn't.

    How did your life become more chaotic?
    It did for millions of migrants and communitues around Europe

    And why have the EU done nothing about the Greeks opening fire on the migrants
    Exactly on whose behalf are you speaking? Are you intimately acquainted with "millions of migrants and communities around Europe"?

    No of course you're not.

    You have precisely zero basis upon which to opine. A period of silence would be welcome now from you.
    Who on earth do you think you are.

    And many on this forum would endorse my views

    I will not be silent
    STFU Big G. Tell us about cruises and big armchairs. That's about it.
    Pathetic and sad - such intolerance and arrogance

    And no answer on why the EU are not preventing the Greeks firing on the migrants
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    IanB2 said:

    Oops second. So are MPs going to follow the official advice on 14 days’ self-isolation?

    On a related point, is it even a good idea to stick 600+ MPs in a room at this point? Or the entire Cabinet to meet around one table? Not just because of the chance of them all actually catching something but the risk of them needing to be isolated simultaneously.

    A couple of other parliaments and senior civil figures around the world suggest they should probably start being careful...
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,680
    Are we sure this is kosher? I hate to say it but the woman is a pathological exhibitionist.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Nigelb said:

    The paper’s reporting that Dorries has “met hundreds of people in parliament in the past week and attended a reception at No 10 with Boris Johnson”. She is said to be recovering...

    Also reported she first felt ill at the weekend while holding a constituency surgery....

    So much for social distancing.

    Ill on Saturday and recovering by Tuesday?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    edmundintokyo said:

    Now I've found out that Nadine Dorries was a health minister the uselessness of the British response is making more sense.

    Nadine is not responsible for the advice which is coming from the medical experts
  • matthiasfromhamburgmatthiasfromhamburg Posts: 957
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    FPT

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    eadric said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    eadric said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    As many as '60 to 70 per cent' of Germans will be infected with the deadly coronavirus, Chancellor Angela Merkel warned today, as the contagion threatened to rip through Europe.

    She is therefore predicting that, on a conservative estimate, 480,000 Germans will die, and 4 million will require critical care in hospital. In the next few weeks.
    83 million living in Germany and by my maths 70% of that is 58 million

    Am I missing something or is she predicting 58 million Germans will be infected ?
    Yes, she is predicting that
    Maybe I misread your post - you seemed to say 4 million
    She was referring to the WHO worst case scenario:
    - up to 70% infected
    - 5-10% in critical care i.e. 4 million
    - 1% fatalities

    She didn't make a prediction.
    Why did she say it in the first place. Hostage to fortune
    Are you suggesting that the political leadership of the country stays silent about the impending crisis?
    She had refrained from comment thus far, largely.
    She already caused chaos with her open invitation to migrants when prudence would have been wise, so the same with this
    Why did her open invitation to migrants cause chaos?

    Did your life become more chaotic?
    It is accepted that she made a huge error which continues to be played out on the Greek border
    No it isn't.

    How did your life become more chaotic?
    It did for millions of migrants and communitues around Europe

    And why have the EU done nothing about the Greeks opening fire on the migrants
    Exactly on whose behalf are you speaking? Are you intimately acquainted with "millions of migrants and communities around Europe"?

    No of course you're not.

    You have precisely zero basis upon which to opine. A period of silence would be welcome now from you.
    Who on earth do you think you are.

    And many on this forum would endorse my views

    I will not be silent
    STFU Big G. Tell us about cruises and big armchairs. That's about it.
    Pathetic and sad - such intolerance and arrogance

    And no answer on why the EU are not preventing the Greeks firing on the migrants
    The EU has no legal means of doing so. EU members are sovereign.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Are we sure this is kosher? I hate to say it but the woman is a pathological exhibitionist.

    A story as big as this is genuine
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    Now I've found out that Nadine Dorries was a health minister the uselessness of the British response is making more sense.

    Nadine is not responsible for the advice which is coming from the medical experts
    The person who thought that putting her in charge of people's health was a good idea is in charge of the British government.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    FPT

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    eadric said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    eadric said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    As many as '60 to 70 per cent' of Germans will be infected with the deadly coronavirus, Chancellor Angela Merkel warned today, as the contagion threatened to rip through Europe.

    She is therefore predicting that, on a conservative estimate, 480,000 Germans will die, and 4 million will require critical care in hospital. In the next few weeks.
    83 million living in Germany and by my maths 70% of that is 58 million

    Am I missing something or is she predicting 58 million Germans will be infected ?
    Yes, she is predicting that
    Maybe I misread your post - you seemed to say 4 million
    She was referring to the WHO worst case scenario:
    - up to 70% infected
    - 5-10% in critical care i.e. 4 million
    - 1% fatalities

    She didn't make a prediction.
    Why did she say it in the first place. Hostage to fortune
    Are you suggesting that the political leadership of the country stays silent about the impending crisis?
    She had refrained from comment thus far, largely.
    She already caused chaos with her open invitation to migrants when prudence would have been wise, so the same with this
    Why did her open invitation to migrants cause chaos?

    Did your life become more chaotic?
    It is accepted that she made a huge error which continues to be played out on the Greek border
    No it isn't.

    How did your life become more chaotic?
    It did for millions of migrants and communitues around Europe

    And why have the EU done nothing about the Greeks opening fire on the migrants
    Exactly on whose behalf are you speaking? Are you intimately acquainted with "millions of migrants and communities around Europe"?

    No of course you're not.

    You have precisely zero basis upon which to opine. A period of silence would be welcome now from you.
    Who on earth do you think you are.

    And many on this forum would endorse my views

    I will not be silent
    STFU Big G. Tell us about cruises and big armchairs. That's about it.
    Pathetic and sad - such intolerance and arrogance

    And no answer on why the EU are not preventing the Greeks firing on the migrants
    Your ignorance knows no bounds. Time for you to go to bed.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    eadric said:

    Andy_JS said:

    https://twitter.com/labisbeticah/status/1236954229186723840

    Tell that to the fecking Don't Panickers. They will end up killing us all.
    eadric said:

    Andy_JS said:

    https://twitter.com/labisbeticah/status/1236954229186723840

    Tell that to the fecking Don't Panickers. They will end up killing us all.
    Don’t panic is good advice. Just take it seriously.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    The Differences Between the Coronavirus and the Spanish Flu

    https://youtu.be/B6IgMdsZHbM

    fpt this is very good

    2 points leap out

    - the theory that this virus won't like the hot weather. We don't know yet, but MERS -another coronavirus - comes from Saudi Arabia, and its host is the camel.

    - in addition to the elderly a major at risk group is the obese - highly relevant in the States.
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    Nigelb said:

    The paper’s reporting that Dorries has “met hundreds of people in parliament in the past week and attended a reception at No 10 with Boris Johnson”. She is said to be recovering...

    Also reported she first felt ill at the weekend while holding a constituency surgery....

    So much for social distancing.

    I believe (someone correct me if I'm wrong) that based on advice at the time - in fact the advice still current - that unless she had travelled to a danger-zone or had direct contact with a suspected carrier, there was no reason to self-isolate.

    "Everyone who feels poorly should self-isolate even if they can't think why they might have contracted COVID-19" was, I as I understand it, supposed to be the next stage of advice, only to be rolled out once it was clear there was substantial community transmission.

    The serious potential consequences of Nadine's problem might suggest the current advice is insufficiently aggressive, and at the very least (just as risk management) senior government figures should have been told to apply more rigorous rules.
  • Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,547
    I see this site continues to have a large number of contributors who know better than the Chief Medical Officer and Public Health England. You should all apply for jobs there.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,291
    edited March 2020
    Nadine!!!! :open_mouth:
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    edmundintokyo said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    Now I've found out that Nadine Dorries was a health minister the uselessness of the British response is making more sense.

    Nadine is not responsible for the advice which is coming from the medical experts
    The person who thought that putting her in charge of people's health was a good idea is in charge of the British government.
    She is not in charge, that is Matt Hancock and by the way she is a nurse
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    FPT

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    eadric said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    eadric said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    As many as '60 to 70 per cent' of Germans will be infected with the deadly coronavirus, Chancellor Angela Merkel warned today, as the contagion threatened to rip through Europe.

    She is therefore predicting that, on a conservative estimate, 480,000 Germans will die, and 4 million will require critical care in hospital. In the next few weeks.
    83 million living in Germany and by my maths 70% of that is 58 million

    Am I missing something or is she predicting 58 million Germans will be infected ?
    Yes, she is predicting that
    Maybe I misread your post - you seemed to say 4 million
    She was referring to the WHO worst case scenario:
    - up to 70% infected
    - 5-10% in critical care i.e. 4 million
    - 1% fatalities

    She didn't make a prediction.
    Why did she say it in the first place. Hostage to fortune
    Are you suggesting that the political leadership of the country stays silent about the impending crisis?
    She had refrained from comment thus far, largely.
    She already caused chaos with her open invitation to migrants when prudence would have been wise, so the same with this
    Why did her open invitation to migrants cause chaos?

    Did your life become more chaotic?
    It is accepted that she made a huge error which continues to be played out on the Greek border
    No it isn't.

    How did your life become more chaotic?
    It did for millions of migrants and communitues around Europe

    And why have the EU done nothing about the Greeks opening fire on the migrants
    Exactly on whose behalf are you speaking? Are you intimately acquainted with "millions of migrants and communities around Europe"?

    No of course you're not.

    You have precisely zero basis upon which to opine. A period of silence would be welcome now from you.
    Who on earth do you think you are.

    And many on this forum would endorse my views

    I will not be silent
    STFU Big G. Tell us about cruises and big armchairs. That's about it.
    Pathetic and sad - such intolerance and arrogance

    And no answer on why the EU are not preventing the Greeks firing on the migrants
    Your ignorance knows no bounds. Time for you to go to bed.
    No point in responding to ignorance
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    edmundintokyo said:

    Now I've found out that Nadine Dorries was a health minister the uselessness of the British response is making more sense.

    So far we have had fewer cases than China, Italy, Iran, S Korea, France, Spain, Germany and the USA and fewer deaths than all those nations bar Germany.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,767
    Time_to_Leave said:

    I see this site continues to have a large number of contributors who know better than the Chief Medical Officer and Public Health England. You should all apply for jobs there.

    Nah, I'm going for Dom's Downing Street Unit of misfits and whackjobs.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    Get well soon Nadine Dorries
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    edited March 2020
    eadric said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    FPT

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    eadric said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    eadric said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    As many as '60 to 70 per cent' of Germans will be infected with the deadly coronavirus, Chancellor Angela Merkel warned today, as the contagion threatened to rip through Europe.

    She is therefore predicting that, on a conservative estimate, 480,000 Germans will die, and 4 million will require critical care in hospital. In the next few weeks.
    83 million living in Germany and by my maths 70% of that is 58 million

    Am I missing something or is she predicting 58 million Germans will be infected ?
    Yes, she is predicting that
    Maybe I misread your post - you seemed to say 4 million
    She was referring to the WHO worst case scenario:
    - up to 70% infected
    - 5-10% in critical care i.e. 4 million
    - 1% fatalities

    She didn't make a prediction.
    Why did she say it in the first place. Hostage to fortune
    Are you suggesting that the political leadership of the country stays silent about the impending crisis?
    She had refrained from comment thus far, largely.
    She already caused chaos with her open invitation to migrants when prudence would have been wise, so the same with this
    Why did her open invitation to migrants cause chaos?

    Did your life become more chaotic?
    It is accepted that she made a huge error which continues to be played out on the Greek border
    No it isn't.

    How did your life become more chaotic?
    It did for millions of migrants and communitues around Europe

    And why have the EU done nothing about the Greeks opening fire on the migrants
    Exactly on whose behalf are you speaking? Are you intimately acquainted with "millions of migrants and communities around Europe"?

    No of course you're not.

    You have precisely zero basis upon which to opine. A period of silence would be welcome now from you.
    Who on earth do you think you are.

    And many on this forum would endorse my views

    I will not be silent
    STFU Big G. Tell us about cruises and big armchairs. That's about it.
    Pathetic and sad - such intolerance and arrogance

    And no answer on why the EU are not preventing the Greeks firing on the migrants
    I suspect Topping has had a fine day at the Cheltenham races, and is now feeling a little, er, giddy.

    It is a rather embarrassing spectacle and he will likely apologise, with a hangover, tomorrow.
    Why was Angela Merkel's immigration policy such a disaster?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,678
    https://twitter.com/nigelfletcher/status/1237509436295524353
    https://twitter.com/nigelfletcher/status/1237511173215584256
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    Now I've found out that Nadine Dorries was a health minister the uselessness of the British response is making more sense.

    Nadine is not responsible for the advice which is coming from the medical experts
    The person who thought that putting her in charge of people's health was a good idea is in charge of the British government.
    She is not in charge, that is Matt Hancock and by the way she is a nurse
    Right now, the concern has to be she can take out the key ministers and civil servants responsible for the UKs response.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    IshmaelZ said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    The Differences Between the Coronavirus and the Spanish Flu

    https://youtu.be/B6IgMdsZHbM

    fpt this is very good

    2 points leap out

    - the theory that this virus won't like the hot weather. We don't know yet, but MERS -another coronavirus - comes from Saudi Arabia, and its host is the camel.

    - in addition to the elderly a major at risk group is the obese - highly relevant in the States.
    On the latter point, this is worth a read:

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/10/opinions/osterholm-coronavirus-interview-bergen/index.html
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,601
    "Asked whether Trump — a self-described germaphobe — would continue to shake hands with people amidst the spread of coronavirus, the vice president said he expects so.

    “Well, look as the president has said, in our line of work, you shake hands when someone wants to shake your hand,” Pence told reporters. “I expect the president will continue to do that”"

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/mar/10/democratic-primaries-michigan-bernie-sanders-joe-biden-donald-trump-live-updates
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    Indy tomorrow says UK is increasing covid testing to 10k/day (recent average has been 1700ish).
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,167
    edited March 2020
    Time_to_Leave said:

    I see this site continues to have a large number of contributors who know better than the Chief Medical Officer and Public Health England. You should all apply for jobs there.

    Many countries seems to believe they know better than each other at the moment, possibly indicating disagreement between chief experts. When combined with the fact that there seem to be huge variations in how fast the disease is spreading and where and whether it's under control, it's not surprising that people feel free to contribute their own thoughts and senses of the situation.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    Boris Johnson should self isolate for 14 days now I think ?

    I'm not even joking :!
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,482
    Mexicanpete said:

    All the best Nadine.

    Oh, and first!

    Same. And now everyone who has had contact with her needs to step forward and be tested. In fact, mandatory testing for all Government workers would probably not be a bad idea.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited March 2020
    Andrew said:

    Indy tomorrow says UK is increasing covid testing to 10k/day (recent average has been 1700ish).

    That's great news. SK appears to have got on top of this with a testing capacity of 14k a day.

    I presume they are going to copy the model of having the quicker less reliable test as well as the current one that takes a couple of days.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    Jonathan said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    Now I've found out that Nadine Dorries was a health minister the uselessness of the British response is making more sense.

    Nadine is not responsible for the advice which is coming from the medical experts
    The person who thought that putting her in charge of people's health was a good idea is in charge of the British government.
    She is not in charge, that is Matt Hancock and by the way she is a nurse
    Right now, the concern has to be she can take out the key ministers and civil servants responsible for the UKs response.
    I do accept this a very serious problem for all those she met including Boris and mps but she hardly did it deliberately
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Andy_JS said:

    "Asked whether Trump — a self-described germaphobe — would continue to shake hands with people amidst the spread of coronavirus, the vice president said he expects so.

    “Well, look as the president has said, in our line of work, you shake hands when someone wants to shake your hand,” Pence told reporters. “I expect the president will continue to do that”"

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/mar/10/democratic-primaries-michigan-bernie-sanders-joe-biden-donald-trump-live-updates

    The Dutch PM gave a speech asking people not to shake hands, then went and shook the hand of the guy presenting with him at the end.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    FPT

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    eadric said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    eadric said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    As many as '60 to 70 per cent' of Germans will be infected with the deadly coronavirus, Chancellor Angela Merkel warned today, as the contagion threatened to rip through Europe.

    She is therefore predicting that, on a conservative estimate, 480,000 Germans will die, and 4 million will require critical care in hospital. In the next few weeks.
    83 million living in Germany and by my maths 70% of that is 58 million

    Am I missing something or is she predicting 58 million Germans will be infected ?
    Yes, she is predicting that
    Maybe I misread your post - you seemed to say 4 million
    She was referring to the WHO worst case scenario:
    - up to 70% infected
    - 5-10% in critical care i.e. 4 million
    - 1% fatalities

    She didn't make a prediction.
    Why did she say it in the first place. Hostage to fortune
    Are you suggesting that the political leadership of the country stays silent about the impending crisis?
    She had refrained from comment thus far, largely.
    She already caused chaos with her open invitation to migrants when prudence would have been wise, so the same with this
    Why did her open invitation to migrants cause chaos?

    Did your life become more chaotic?
    It is accepted that she made a huge error which continues to be played out on the Greek border
    No it isn't.

    How did your life become more chaotic?
    It did for millions of migrants and communitues around Europe

    And why have the EU done nothing about the Greeks opening fire on the migrants
    Exactly on whose behalf are you speaking? Are you intimately acquainted with "millions of migrants and communities around Europe"?

    No of course you're not.

    You have precisely zero basis upon which to opine. A period of silence would be welcome now from you.
    Who on earth do you think you are.

    And many on this forum would endorse my views

    I will not be silent
    STFU Big G. Tell us about cruises and big armchairs. That's about it.
    Pathetic and sad - such intolerance and arrogance

    And no answer on why the EU are not preventing the Greeks firing on the migrants
    Your ignorance knows no bounds. Time for you to go to bed.
    No point in responding to ignorance
    Why was Angela Merkel's immigration policy so bad?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    eadric said:

    Jonathan said:

    eadric said:

    Andy_JS said:

    https://twitter.com/labisbeticah/status/1236954229186723840

    Tell that to the fecking Don't Panickers. They will end up killing us all.
    eadric said:

    Andy_JS said:

    https://twitter.com/labisbeticah/status/1236954229186723840

    Tell that to the fecking Don't Panickers. They will end up killing us all.
    Don’t panic is good advice. Just take it seriously.
    No, mild panic is advisable, and has been advisable for weeks. The Chinese panicked, so did the Taiwanese, as did the Japanese, and it has worked.

    Western nonchalance is going to be our downfall, if we are not very very careful.

    "Meh, it's just the flu"

    Idiots.
    Losing control and acting irrationally helps no one. We need the Apollo 13 mindset and calmly work out the problem. Details matter and they’re the first to go when you panic.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    Pulpstar said:

    Boris Johnson should self isolate for 14 days now I think ?

    I'm not even joking :!

    Does the test not show up a positive if you have been infected? I presume they are regularly testing important individuals.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited March 2020
    TOPPING said:

    eadric said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    FPT

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    eadric said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    eadric said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    As many as '60 to 70 per cent' of Germans will be infected with the deadly coronavirus, Chancellor Angela Merkel warned today, as the contagion threatened to rip through Europe.

    She is therefore predicting that, on a conservative estimate, 480,000 Germans will die, and 4 million will require critical care in hospital. In the next few weeks.
    83 million living in Germany and by my maths 70% of that is 58 million

    Am I missing something or is she predicting 58 million Germans will be infected ?
    Yes, she is predicting that
    Maybe I misread your post - you seemed to say 4 million
    She was referring to the WHO worst case scenario:
    - up to 70% infected
    - 5-10% in critical care i.e. 4 million
    - 1% fatalities

    She didn't make a prediction.
    Why did she say it in the first place. Hostage to fortune
    Are you suggesting that the political leadership of the country stays silent about the impending crisis?
    She had refrained from comment thus far, largely.
    She already caused chaos with her open invitation to migrants when prudence would have been wise, so the same with this
    Why did her open invitation to migrants cause chaos?

    Did your life become more chaotic?
    It is accepted that she made a huge error which continues to be played out on the Greek border
    No it isn't.

    How did your life become more chaotic?
    It did for millions of migrants and communitues around Europe

    And why have the EU done nothing about the Greeks opening fire on the migrants
    Exactly on whose behalf are you speaking? Are you intimately acquainted with "millions of migrants and communities around Europe"?

    No of course you're not.

    You have precisely zero basis upon which to opine. A period of silence would be welcome now from you.
    Who on earth do you think you are.

    And many on this forum would endorse my views

    I will not be silent
    STFU Big G. Tell us about cruises and big armchairs. That's about it.
    Pathetic and sad - such intolerance and arrogance

    And no answer on why the EU are not preventing the Greeks firing on the migrants
    I suspect Topping has had a fine day at the Cheltenham races, and is now feeling a little, er, giddy.

    It is a rather embarrassing spectacle and he will likely apologise, with a hangover, tomorrow.
    Why was Angela Merkel's immigration policy such a disaster?
    It helped leave win the referendum. Some see that as a disaster
  • valleyboyvalleyboy Posts: 606
    Any idea where Nadine picked this up?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    Will @Tissue_Price go into self isolation now :o ?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Pulpstar said:

    Boris Johnson should self isolate for 14 days now I think ?

    I'm not even joking :!

    Which is why I said things are going to get complicated, Hancock too?
  • valleyboyvalleyboy Posts: 606
    Pulpstar said:

    Boris Johnson should self isolate for 14 days now I think ?

    I'm not even joking :!

    Good idea
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,482
    valleyboy said:

    Any idea where Nadine picked this up?

    That's probably the bigger question.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    FPT

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    eadric said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    eadric said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    As many as '60 to 70 per cent' of Germans will be infected with the deadly coronavirus, Chancellor Angela Merkel warned today, as the contagion threatened to rip through Europe.

    She is therefore predicting that, on a conservative estimate, 480,000 Germans will die, and 4 million will require critical care in hospital. In the next few weeks.
    83 million living in Germany and by my maths 70% of that is 58 million

    Am I missing something or is she predicting 58 million Germans will be infected ?
    Yes, she is predicting that
    Maybe I misread your post - you seemed to say 4 million
    She was referring to the WHO worst case scenario:
    - up to 70% infected
    - 5-10% in critical care i.e. 4 million
    - 1% fatalities

    She didn't make a prediction.
    Why did she say it in the first place. Hostage to fortune
    Are you suggesting that the political leadership of the country stays silent about the impending crisis?
    She had refrained from comment thus far, largely.
    She already caused chaos with her open invitation to migrants when prudence would have been wise, so the same with this
    Why did her open invitation to migrants cause chaos?

    Did your life become more chaotic?
    It is accepted that she made a huge error which continues to be played out on the Greek border
    No it isn't.

    How did your life become more chaotic?
    It did for millions of migrants and communitues around Europe

    And why have the EU done nothing about the Greeks opening fire on the migrants
    Exactly on whose behalf are you speaking? Are you intimately acquainted with "millions of migrants and communities around Europe"?

    No of course you're not.

    You have precisely zero basis upon which to opine. A period of silence would be welcome now from you.
    Who on earth do you think you are.

    And many on this forum would endorse my views

    I will not be silent
    STFU Big G. Tell us about cruises and big armchairs. That's about it.
    Pathetic and sad - such intolerance and arrogance

    And no answer on why the EU are not preventing the Greeks firing on the migrants
    Your ignorance knows no bounds. Time for you to go to bed.
    No point in responding to ignorance
    Why was Angela Merkel's immigration policy so bad?
    Maybe time for you to close your own keyboard
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    Time_to_Leave said:

    I see this site continues to have a large number of contributors who know better than the Chief Medical Officer and Public Health England. You should all apply for jobs there.

    The government cannot be wrong, the government is right by definition.

    Then they'll change their minds, and right will become wrong, and wrong will become right, but the government will always be right.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    Pulpstar said:

    Boris Johnson should self isolate for 14 days now I think ?

    I'm not even joking :!

    I know you are not
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    isam said:

    ...

    TOPPING said:

    eadric said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    FPT

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    eadric said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    eadric said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    As many as '60 to 70 per cent' of Germans will be infected with the deadly coronavirus, Chancellor Angela Merkel warned today, as the contagion threatened to rip through Europe.

    She is therefore predicting that, on a conservative estimate, 480,000 Germans will die, and 4 million will require critical care in hospital. In the next few weeks.
    83 million living in Germany and by my maths 70% of that is 58 million

    Am I missing something or is she predicting 58 million Germans will be infected ?
    Yes, she is predicting that
    Maybe I misread your post - you seemed to say 4 million
    She was referring to the WHO worst case scenario:
    - up to 70% infected
    - 5-10% in critical care i.e. 4 million
    - 1% fatalities

    She didn't make a prediction.
    Why did she say it in the first place. Hostage to fortune
    Are you suggesting that the political leadership of the country stays silent about the impending crisis?
    She had refrained from comment thus far, largely.
    She already caused chaos with her open invitation to migrants when prudence would have been wise, so the same with this
    Why did her open invitation to migrants cause chaos?

    Did your life become more chaotic?
    It is accepted that she made a huge error which continues to be played out on the Greek border
    No it isn't.

    How did your life become more chaotic?
    It did for millions of migrants and communitues around Europe

    And why have the EU done nothing about the Greeks opening fire on the migrants
    Exactly on whose behalf are you speaking? Are you intimately acquainted with "millions of migrants and communities around Europe"?

    No of course you're not.

    You have precisely zero basis upon which to opine. A period of silence would be welcome now from you.
    Who on earth do you think you are.

    And many on this forum would endorse my views

    I will not be silent
    STFU Big G. Tell us about cruises and big armchairs. That's about it.
    Pathetic and sad - such intolerance and arrogance

    And no answer on why the EU are not preventing the Greeks firing on the migrants
    I suspect Topping has had a fine day at the Cheltenham races, and is now feeling a little, er, giddy.

    It is a rather embarrassing spectacle and he will likely apologise, with a hangover, tomorrow.
    Why was Angela Merkel's immigration policy such a disaster?
    It helped leave win the referendum. Some see that as a disaster
    True. It motivated those who don't like foreigners.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    FPT

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    eadric said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    eadric said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    As many as '60 to 70 per cent' of Germans will be infected with the deadly coronavirus, Chancellor Angela Merkel warned today, as the contagion threatened to rip through Europe.

    She is therefore predicting that, on a conservative estimate, 480,000 Germans will die, and 4 million will require critical care in hospital. In the next few weeks.
    83 million living in Germany and by my maths 70% of that is 58 million

    Am I missing something or is she predicting 58 million Germans will be infected ?
    Yes, she is predicting that
    Maybe I misread your post - you seemed to say 4 million
    She was referring to the WHO worst case scenario:
    - up to 70% infected
    - 5-10% in critical care i.e. 4 million
    - 1% fatalities

    She didn't make a prediction.
    Why did she say it in the first place. Hostage to fortune
    Are you suggesting that the political leadership of the country stays silent about the impending crisis?
    She had refrained from comment thus far, largely.
    She already caused chaos with her open invitation to migrants when prudence would have been wise, so the same with this
    Why did her open invitation to migrants cause chaos?

    Did your life become more chaotic?
    It is accepted that she made a huge error which continues to be played out on the Greek border
    No it isn't.

    How did your life become more chaotic?
    It did for millions of migrants and communitues around Europe

    And why have the EU done nothing about the Greeks opening fire on the migrants
    Exactly on whose behalf are you speaking? Are you intimately acquainted with "millions of migrants and communities around Europe"?

    No of course you're not.

    You have precisely zero basis upon which to opine. A period of silence would be welcome now from you.
    Who on earth do you think you are.

    And many on this forum would endorse my views

    I will not be silent
    STFU Big G. Tell us about cruises and big armchairs. That's about it.
    Pathetic and sad - such intolerance and arrogance

    And no answer on why the EU are not preventing the Greeks firing on the migrants
    Your ignorance knows no bounds. Time for you to go to bed.
    No point in responding to ignorance
    Why was Angela Merkel's immigration policy so bad?
    Maybe time for you to close your own keyboard
    Why was Angela Merkel's immigration policy so bad?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,880
    Hope she's OK
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    eadric said:

    Jonathan said:

    eadric said:

    Jonathan said:

    eadric said:

    Andy_JS said:

    https://twitter.com/labisbeticah/status/1236954229186723840

    Tell that to the fecking Don't Panickers. They will end up killing us all.
    eadric said:

    Andy_JS said:

    https://twitter.com/labisbeticah/status/1236954229186723840

    Tell that to the fecking Don't Panickers. They will end up killing us all.
    Don’t panic is good advice. Just take it seriously.
    No, mild panic is advisable, and has been advisable for weeks. The Chinese panicked, so did the Taiwanese, as did the Japanese, and it has worked.

    Western nonchalance is going to be our downfall, if we are not very very careful.

    "Meh, it's just the flu"

    Idiots.
    Losing control and acting irrationally helps no one. We need the Apollo 13 mindset and calmly work out the problem. Details matter and they’re the first to go when you panic.
    I guess it depends how you define panic.

    We certainly need a higher level of alarm, concern and fearful awareness amongst the general population, so they will adopt social distancing, wash their hands, wear masks, etc. Everything tells us that this works. We can beat this.

    It is time to give the people a rather nasty wake up call.
    *Waving*

    You didn't answer my question.

    Why was Angela Merkel's immigration policy so bad?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    FPT

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    eadric said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    eadric said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    As many as '60 to 70 per cent' of Germans will be infected with the deadly coronavirus, Chancellor Angela Merkel warned today, as the contagion threatened to rip through Europe.

    She is therefore predicting that, on a conservative estimate, 480,000 Germans will die, and 4 million will require critical care in hospital. In the next few weeks.
    83 million living in Germany and by my maths 70% of that is 58 million

    Am I missing something or is she predicting 58 million Germans will be infected ?
    Yes, she is predicting that
    Maybe I misread your post - you seemed to say 4 million
    She was referring to the WHO worst case scenario:
    - up to 70% infected
    - 5-10% in critical care i.e. 4 million
    - 1% fatalities

    She didn't make a prediction.
    Why did she say it in the first place. Hostage to fortune
    Are you suggesting that the political leadership of the country stays silent about the impending crisis?
    She had refrained from comment thus far, largely.
    She already caused chaos with her open invitation to migrants when prudence would have been wise, so the same with this
    Why did her open invitation to migrants cause chaos?

    Did your life become more chaotic?
    It is accepted that she made a huge error which continues to be played out on the Greek border
    No it isn't.

    How did your life become more chaotic?
    It did for millions of migrants and communitues around Europe

    And why have the EU done nothing about the Greeks opening fire on the migrants
    Exactly on whose behalf are you speaking? Are you intimately acquainted with "millions of migrants and communities around Europe"?

    No of course you're not.

    You have precisely zero basis upon which to opine. A period of silence would be welcome now from you.
    Who on earth do you think you are.

    And many on this forum would endorse my views

    I will not be silent
    STFU Big G. Tell us about cruises and big armchairs. That's about it.
    Pathetic and sad - such intolerance and arrogance

    And no answer on why the EU are not preventing the Greeks firing on the migrants
    Your ignorance knows no bounds. Time for you to go to bed.
    No point in responding to ignorance
    Why was Angela Merkel's immigration policy so bad?
    Maybe time for you to close your own keyboard
    Why was Angela Merkel's immigration policy so bad?
    You answered your own question and hence Brexit

    And I voted remain before you have another go
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,767
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Boris Johnson should self isolate for 14 days now I think ?

    I'm not even joking :!

    I know you are not
    He has Chequers to self-isolate in.

    Quite fancy 14 days there myself to be honest.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    valleyboy said:

    Any idea where Nadine picked this up?

    In the jungle?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,482
    eadric said:

    Jonathan said:

    eadric said:

    Jonathan said:

    eadric said:

    Andy_JS said:

    https://twitter.com/labisbeticah/status/1236954229186723840

    Tell that to the fecking Don't Panickers. They will end up killing us all.
    eadric said:

    Andy_JS said:

    https://twitter.com/labisbeticah/status/1236954229186723840

    Tell that to the fecking Don't Panickers. They will end up killing us all.
    Don’t panic is good advice. Just take it seriously.
    No, mild panic is advisable, and has been advisable for weeks. The Chinese panicked, so did the Taiwanese, as did the Japanese, and it has worked.

    Western nonchalance is going to be our downfall, if we are not very very careful.

    "Meh, it's just the flu"

    Idiots.
    Losing control and acting irrationally helps no one. We need the Apollo 13 mindset and calmly work out the problem. Details matter and they’re the first to go when you panic.
    I guess it depends how you define panic.

    We certainly need a higher level of alarm, concern and fearful awareness amongst the general population, so they will adopt social distancing, wash their hands, wear masks, etc. Everything tells us that this works. We can beat this.

    It is time to give the people a rather nasty wake up call.
    Self immolation in a pile of lavatory paper using hand sanitiser as an accelerant? That would grab a few headlines.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    eadric said:

    Jonathan said:

    eadric said:

    Jonathan said:

    eadric said:

    Andy_JS said:

    https://twitter.com/labisbeticah/status/1236954229186723840

    Tell that to the fecking Don't Panickers. They will end up killing us all.
    eadric said:

    Andy_JS said:

    https://twitter.com/labisbeticah/status/1236954229186723840

    Tell that to the fecking Don't Panickers. They will end up killing us all.
    Don’t panic is good advice. Just take it seriously.
    No, mild panic is advisable, and has been advisable for weeks. The Chinese panicked, so did the Taiwanese, as did the Japanese, and it has worked.

    Western nonchalance is going to be our downfall, if we are not very very careful.

    "Meh, it's just the flu"

    Idiots.
    Losing control and acting irrationally helps no one. We need the Apollo 13 mindset and calmly work out the problem. Details matter and they’re the first to go when you panic.
    I guess it depends how you define panic.

    We certainly need a higher level of alarm, concern and fearful awareness amongst the general population, so they will adopt social distancing, wash their hands, wear masks, etc. Everything tells us that this works. We can beat this.

    It is time to give the people a rather nasty wake up call.
    Masks provide little protection and using a tissue the throwing it away avoids spread just as well
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,358
    IanB2 said:

    Oops second. So are MPs going to follow the official advice on 14 days’ self-isolation?

    Would anyone notice a difference
  • matthiasfromhamburgmatthiasfromhamburg Posts: 957
    Andrew said:

    Indy tomorrow says UK is increasing covid testing to 10k/day (recent average has been 1700ish).

    A step in the right direction.
    Our authorities announced a week or so ago that test capacities had been expanded by a couple of thousands to 12, 000 a day.
    The more you test, the more you can find.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,678
    Boris is a disgrace, we’re fucked.

    He needs to resign.

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1237503366005170176?s=21
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    IanB2 said:

    valleyboy said:

    Any idea where Nadine picked this up?

    In the jungle?
    The mighty jungle.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    Has Big G upset the radical Europhiles again ??
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    IanB2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    The Differences Between the Coronavirus and the Spanish Flu

    https://youtu.be/B6IgMdsZHbM

    fpt this is very good

    2 points leap out

    - the theory that this virus won't like the hot weather. We don't know yet, but MERS -another coronavirus - comes from Saudi Arabia, and its host is the camel.

    - in addition to the elderly a major at risk group is the obese - highly relevant in the States.
    On the latter point, this is worth a read:

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/10/opinions/osterholm-coronavirus-interview-bergen/index.html
    Interesting that he thinks obesity will raise the US fatality rate over China despite China smoking more.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,622
    eadric said:

    Jonathan said:

    eadric said:

    Jonathan said:

    eadric said:

    Andy_JS said:

    https://twitter.com/labisbeticah/status/1236954229186723840

    Tell that to the fecking Don't Panickers. They will end up killing us all.
    eadric said:

    Andy_JS said:

    https://twitter.com/labisbeticah/status/1236954229186723840

    Tell that to the fecking Don't Panickers. They will end up killing us all.
    Don’t panic is good advice. Just take it seriously.
    No, mild panic is advisable, and has been advisable for weeks. The Chinese panicked, so did the Taiwanese, as did the Japanese, and it has worked.

    Western nonchalance is going to be our downfall, if we are not very very careful.

    "Meh, it's just the flu"

    Idiots.
    Losing control and acting irrationally helps no one. We need the Apollo 13 mindset and calmly work out the problem. Details matter and they’re the first to go when you panic.
    I guess it depends how you define panic.

    We certainly need a higher level of alarm, concern and fearful awareness amongst the general population, so they will adopt social distancing, wash their hands, wear masks, etc. Everything tells us that this works. We can beat this.

    It is time to give the people a rather nasty wake up call.
    Rather convenient then the health minister becoming infected.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1237503366005170176?s=20
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Boris is a disgrace, we’re fucked.

    He needs to resign.

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1237503366005170176?s=21

    No - Boris is just wrong on this
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    valleyboy said:

    Any idea where Nadine picked this up?

    That's probably the bigger question.

    Because the virus is endemic and being passed now within the population......and we will be in Italy's position by the end of next week give or take.....

    I spoke to a friend today caught in the maelstrom- Italian hospitals have basically stopped treating post 60's to concentrate on younger patients with a better chance of survival...sadly Eadric was right last night...
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,358
    Jonathan said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    Now I've found out that Nadine Dorries was a health minister the uselessness of the British response is making more sense.

    Nadine is not responsible for the advice which is coming from the medical experts
    The person who thought that putting her in charge of people's health was a good idea is in charge of the British government.
    She is not in charge, that is Matt Hancock and by the way she is a nurse
    Right now, the concern has to be she can take out the key ministers and civil servants responsible for the UKs response.
    bollox
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,680
    eadric said:

    Time_to_Leave said:

    I see this site continues to have a large number of contributors who know better than the Chief Medical Officer and Public Health England. You should all apply for jobs there.

    Well, Boris Johnson stood between the Chief Medical Officer and Some Other Major Doctor and literally said "handshaking is fine, I'm doing it" to the British people.

    The medical bigwigs did not contradict his obviously stupid and foolish advice.

    Five days later he bashfully admitted that the advice was wrong.

    Does that inspire you with confidence?
    Agreed. The government has been faffing around. Why the freak have we not put a blockade on Italy when all our cases have come from there, and it’s been known for ages it’s a hotbed?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Boris is a disgrace, we’re fucked.

    He needs to resign.

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1237503366005170176?s=21

    The man has a sense of humour. But should we be playing such an appointment for laughs?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Boris is a disgrace, we’re fucked.

    He needs to resign.

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1237503366005170176?s=21

    Just because he won a bigger majority than Dave managed no need to throw your toys out the pram!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,880
    IshmaelZ said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    The Differences Between the Coronavirus and the Spanish Flu

    https://youtu.be/B6IgMdsZHbM

    fpt this is very good

    2 points leap out

    - the theory that this virus won't like the hot weather. We don't know yet, but MERS -another coronavirus - comes from Saudi Arabia, and its host is the camel.

    - in addition to the elderly a major at risk group is the obese - highly relevant in the States.
    Obesity a big problem in the Gulf States too.
  • Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,547
    edited March 2020
    eadric said:

    Time_to_Leave said:

    I see this site continues to have a large number of contributors who know better than the Chief Medical Officer and Public Health England. You should all apply for jobs there.

    Well, Boris Johnson stood between the Chief Medical Officer and Some Other Major Doctor and literally said "handshaking is fine, I'm doing it" to the British people.

    The medical bigwigs did not contradict his obviously stupid and foolish advice.

    Five days later he bashfully admitted that the advice was wrong.

    Does that inspire you with confidence?
    There remains no reason not to shake hands, unless you’re also refraining from touching anything else another person just touched.

    Edit - Apart from, as some have said, the fact of not shaking hands reminding people of the need to wash hands and not touch faces etc.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    TGOHF666 said:

    Has Big G upset the radical Europhiles again ??

    Looks like it. Truth hurts
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,225
    HYUFD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Boris is a disgrace, we’re fucked.

    He needs to resign.

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1237503366005170176?s=21

    Just because he won a bigger majority than Dave managed no need to throw your toys out the pram!
    What’s Grayling doing in anything labelled ‘Intelligence‘ ?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    FPT

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    eadric said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    eadric said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    As many as '60 to 70 per cent' of Germans will be infected with the deadly coronavirus, Chancellor Angela Merkel warned today, as the contagion threatened to rip through Europe.

    She is therefore predicting that, on a conservative estimate, 480,000 Germans will die, and 4 million will require critical care in hospital. In the next few weeks.
    83 million living in Germany and by my maths 70% of that is 58 million

    Am I missing something or is she predicting 58 million Germans will be infected ?
    Yes, she is predicting that
    Maybe I misread your post - you seemed to say 4 million
    She was referring to the WHO worst case scenario:
    - up to 70% infected
    - 5-10% in critical care i.e. 4 million
    - 1% fatalities

    She didn't make a prediction.
    Why did she say it in the first place. Hostage to fortune
    Are you suggesting that the political leadership of the country stays silent about the impending crisis?
    She had refrained from comment thus far, largely.
    She already caused chaos with her open invitation to migrants when prudence would have been wise, so the same with this
    Why did her open invitation to migrants cause chaos?

    Did your life become more chaotic?
    It is accepted that she made a huge error which continues to be played out on the Greek border
    No it isn't.

    How did your life become more chaotic?
    It did for millions of migrants and communitues around Europe

    And why have the EU done nothing about the Greeks opening fire on the migrants
    Exactly on whose behalf are you speaking? Are you intimately acquainted with "millions of migrants and communities around Europe"?

    No of course you're not.

    You have precisely zero basis upon which to opine. A period of silence would be welcome now from you.
    Who on earth do you think you are.

    And many on this forum would endorse my views

    I will not be silent
    STFU Big G. Tell us about cruises and big armchairs. That's about it.
    Pathetic and sad - such intolerance and arrogance

    And no answer on why the EU are not preventing the Greeks firing on the migrants
    Your ignorance knows no bounds. Time for you to go to bed.
    No point in responding to ignorance
    Why was Angela Merkel's immigration policy so bad?
    Maybe time for you to close your own keyboard
    Why was Angela Merkel's immigration policy so bad?
    You answered your own question and hence Brexit

    And I voted remain before you have another go
    I didn't answer anything.

    But you seem to be saying that enacting a humanitarian policy was bad because it allowed racist fucks to be racist fucks.

    Have I got that right?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,601
    Nadine Dorries is nearly 63, not 60 as just stated on Newsnight.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    Glasto will be fucked too

    https://twitter.com/consequence/status/1237516458286088193?s=21
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    IshmaelZ said:

    IanB2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    The Differences Between the Coronavirus and the Spanish Flu

    https://youtu.be/B6IgMdsZHbM

    fpt this is very good

    2 points leap out

    - the theory that this virus won't like the hot weather. We don't know yet, but MERS -another coronavirus - comes from Saudi Arabia, and its host is the camel.

    - in addition to the elderly a major at risk group is the obese - highly relevant in the States.
    On the latter point, this is worth a read:

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/10/opinions/osterholm-coronavirus-interview-bergen/index.html
    Interesting that he thinks obesity will raise the US fatality rate over China despite China smoking more.
    Also interesting that he pins the men v women thing on Chinese men smoking and women not, rather than any gender propensity to get the virus.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,153
    edited March 2020
    TGOHF666 said:

    Has Big G upset the radical Europhiles again ??

    No. He engaged in childish trolling then complained when it got the reaction he obviously wanted, sorry to say.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,880
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    FPT

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TOPPING said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    eadric said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    eadric said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    As many as '60 to 70 per cent' of Germans will be infected with the deadly coronavirus, Chancellor Angela Merkel warned today, as the contagion threatened to rip through Europe.

    She is therefore predicting that, on a conservative estimate, 480,000 Germans will die, and 4 million will require critical care in hospital. In the next few weeks.
    83 million living in Germany and by my maths 70% of that is 58 million

    Am I missing something or is she predicting 58 million Germans will be infected ?
    Yes, she is predicting that
    Maybe I misread your post - you seemed to say 4 million
    She was referring to the WHO worst case scenario:
    - up to 70% infected
    - 5-10% in critical care i.e. 4 million
    - 1% fatalities

    She didn't make a prediction.
    Why did she say it in the first place. Hostage to fortune
    Are you suggesting that the political leadership of the country stays silent about the impending crisis?
    She had refrained from comment thus far, largely.
    She already caused chaos with her open invitation to migrants when prudence would have been wise, so the same with this
    Why did her open invitation to migrants cause chaos?

    Did your life become more chaotic?
    It is accepted that she made a huge error which continues to be played out on the Greek border
    No it isn't.

    How did your life become more chaotic?
    It did for millions of migrants and communitues around Europe

    And why have the EU done nothing about the Greeks opening fire on the migrants
    Exactly on whose behalf are you speaking? Are you intimately acquainted with "millions of migrants and communities around Europe"?

    No of course you're not.

    You have precisely zero basis upon which to opine. A period of silence would be welcome now from you.
    Who on earth do you think you are.

    And many on this forum would endorse my views

    I will not be silent
    STFU Big G. Tell us about cruises and big armchairs. That's about it.
    Pathetic and sad - such intolerance and arrogance

    And no answer on why the EU are not preventing the Greeks firing on the migrants
    Because the Turks are aiding and abetting the migrants' attempts at breaching the border.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    Stark_Dawning said:

    eadric said:

    Time_to_Leave said:

    I see this site continues to have a large number of contributors who know better than the Chief Medical Officer and Public Health England. You should all apply for jobs there.

    Well, Boris Johnson stood between the Chief Medical Officer and Some Other Major Doctor and literally said "handshaking is fine, I'm doing it" to the British people.

    The medical bigwigs did not contradict his obviously stupid and foolish advice.

    Five days later he bashfully admitted that the advice was wrong.

    Does that inspire you with confidence?
    Agreed. The government has been faffing around. Why the freak have we not put a blockade on Italy when all our cases have come from there, and it’s been known for ages it’s a hotbed?
    When was mad Nad in Italy?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    eadric said:

    TOPPING said:

    eadric said:

    Jonathan said:

    eadric said:

    Jonathan said:

    eadric said:

    Andy_JS said:

    https://twitter.com/labisbeticah/status/1236954229186723840

    Tell that to the fecking Don't Panickers. They will end up killing us all.
    eadric said:

    Andy_JS said:

    https://twitter.com/labisbeticah/status/1236954229186723840

    Tell that to the fecking Don't Panickers. They will end up killing us all.
    Don’t panic is good advice. Just take it seriously.
    No, mild panic is advisable, and has been advisable for weeks. The Chinese panicked, so did the Taiwanese, as did the Japanese, and it has worked.

    Western nonchalance is going to be our downfall, if we are not very very careful.

    "Meh, it's just the flu"

    Idiots.
    Losing control and acting irrationally helps no one. We need the Apollo 13 mindset and calmly work out the problem. Details matter and they’re the first to go when you panic.
    I guess it depends how you define panic.

    We certainly need a higher level of alarm, concern and fearful awareness amongst the general population, so they will adopt social distancing, wash their hands, wear masks, etc. Everything tells us that this works. We can beat this.

    It is time to give the people a rather nasty wake up call.
    *Waving*

    You didn't answer my question.

    Why was Angela Merkel's immigration policy so bad?
    You're drunk. Go to bed.
    Answer the question. Why was Angela Merkel's immigration policy so bad?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,358
    edmundintokyo said:

    Now I've found out that Nadine Dorries was a health minister the uselessness of the British response is making more sense.

    A nation of asses led by donkeys
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,482
    If recommending masks be worn in public, presumably to start with only in high risk areas, the Government needs to ensure a good supply of them. At the moment, I believe they are in short supply, and likely to remain so for as long as coronavirus is with us.

    So we basically need instructions on how to make them, how to use a scarf, a simple pop out version sent to every household in the UK, or something. Otherwise you just cause ridiculous mask fights etc etc.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    eadric said:

    HYUFD said:

    eadric said:

    Jonathan said:

    eadric said:

    Jonathan said:

    eadric said:

    Andy_JS said:

    https://twitter.com/labisbeticah/status/1236954229186723840

    Tell that to the fecking Don't Panickers. They will end up killing us all.
    eadric said:

    Andy_JS said:

    https://twitter.com/labisbeticah/status/1236954229186723840

    Tell that to the fecking Don't Panickers. They will end up killing us all.
    Don’t panic is good advice. Just take it seriously.
    No, mild panic is advisable, and has been advisable for weeks. The Chinese panicked, so did the Taiwanese, as did the Japanese, and it has worked.

    Western nonchalance is going to be our downfall, if we are not very very careful.

    "Meh, it's just the flu"

    Idiots.
    Losing control and acting irrationally helps no one. We need the Apollo 13 mindset and calmly work out the problem. Details matter and they’re the first to go when you panic.
    I guess it depends how you define panic.

    We certainly need a higher level of alarm, concern and fearful awareness amongst the general population, so they will adopt social distancing, wash their hands, wear masks, etc. Everything tells us that this works. We can beat this.

    It is time to give the people a rather nasty wake up call.
    Masks provide little protection and using a tissue the throwing it away avoids spread just as well
    You haven't grasped the point of masks. They offer some protection against infection, but it isn't pivotal, partly because they are often misused; where they are vital, is the way they prevent SPREADING: by carriers not coughing and sneezing over everyone.

    This is such a simple point, and yet so crucial.
    Yes but tissues can do that too
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    TOPPING said:

    eadric said:

    Jonathan said:

    eadric said:

    Jonathan said:

    eadric said:

    Andy_JS said:

    https://twitter.com/labisbeticah/status/1236954229186723840

    Tell that to the fecking Don't Panickers. They will end up killing us all.
    eadric said:

    Andy_JS said:

    https://twitter.com/labisbeticah/status/1236954229186723840

    Tell that to the fecking Don't Panickers. They will end up killing us all.
    Don’t panic is good advice. Just take it seriously.
    No, mild panic is advisable, and has been advisable for weeks. The Chinese panicked, so did the Taiwanese, as did the Japanese, and it has worked.

    Western nonchalance is going to be our downfall, if we are not very very careful.

    "Meh, it's just the flu"

    Idiots.
    Losing control and acting irrationally helps no one. We need the Apollo 13 mindset and calmly work out the problem. Details matter and they’re the first to go when you panic.
    I guess it depends how you define panic.

    We certainly need a higher level of alarm, concern and fearful awareness amongst the general population, so they will adopt social distancing, wash their hands, wear masks, etc. Everything tells us that this works. We can beat this.

    It is time to give the people a rather nasty wake up call.
    *Waving*

    You didn't answer my question.

    Why was Angela Merkel's immigration policy so bad?
    Ooh, ooh, I know this one!

    Because it was in direct contravention of established EU protocols. Specifically, the so-called Dublin rules. She made the decision, apparently, on the spur of the moment, without consultation, because of some pictures she saw on the news.

    What do I win?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Has Big G upset the radical Europhiles again ??

    Looks like it. Truth hurts
    Racist fucks.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    edited March 2020
    eadric said:

    Time_to_Leave said:

    I see this site continues to have a large number of contributors who know better than the Chief Medical Officer and Public Health England. You should all apply for jobs there.

    Well, Boris Johnson stood between the Chief Medical Officer and Some Other Major Doctor and literally said "handshaking is fine, I'm doing it" to the British people.

    The medical bigwigs did not contradict his obviously stupid and foolish advice.

    Five days later he bashfully admitted that the advice was wrong.

    Does that inspire you with confidence?
    The related point is that a lot of these decisions are *political*, not strictly medical like whether you're prepared to clobber event organizers to save the lives of old people. They're made by the government. The experts will recommend things, but the experts are also working within the parameters set by ministers.

    They're also dependent on how the government is leading. Apparently the defence for the British sitting their scratching their arses while east Asia successfully switches to working from home and shutting down events is that although it would be effective, if they do it too soon people would get sick of it and stop cooperating. But in a crisis, leadership matters. The non-medical factors make a huge difference to whether people would stop cooperating or not.

    But if you ask the medical expert about them, they can't really say, "Apparently the PM wants to do things this way, don't blame me, I didn't vote for this stupid twat." They have to defend the collective decision.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    kle4 said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Has Big G upset the radical Europhiles again ??

    No. He engaged in childish trolling then complained when it got the reaction he obviously wanted, sorry to say.
    I agree I blame Big G as much as anyone else for tonight's hostilities on here.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    kle4 said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Has Big G upset the radical Europhiles again ??

    No. He engaged in childish trolling then complained when it got the reaction he obviously wanted, sorry to say.
    It was not childish trolling and I did expect the reaction.

    That should not stop anyone from expressing an opinion on the EU and the Greek migrant crisis

    But it has upset the Europhiles
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Chrissy Grayling back in public life.

    How we have missed him!
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    eadric said:

    HYUFD said:

    eadric said:

    Jonathan said:

    eadric said:

    Jonathan said:

    eadric said:

    Andy_JS said:

    https://twitter.com/labisbeticah/status/1236954229186723840

    Tell that to the fecking Don't Panickers. They will end up killing us all.
    eadric said:

    Andy_JS said:

    https://twitter.com/labisbeticah/status/1236954229186723840

    Tell that to the fecking Don't Panickers. They will end up killing us all.
    Don’t panic is good advice. Just take it seriously.
    No, mild panic is advisable, and has been advisable for weeks. The Chinese panicked, so did the Taiwanese, as did the Japanese, and it has worked.

    Western nonchalance is going to be our downfall, if we are not very very careful.

    "Meh, it's just the flu"

    Idiots.
    Losing control and acting irrationally helps no one. We need the Apollo 13 mindset and calmly work out the problem. Details matter and they’re the first to go when you panic.
    I guess it depends how you define panic.

    We certainly need a higher level of alarm, concern and fearful awareness amongst the general population, so they will adopt social distancing, wash their hands, wear masks, etc. Everything tells us that this works. We can beat this.

    It is time to give the people a rather nasty wake up call.
    Masks provide little protection and using a tissue the throwing it away avoids spread just as well
    You haven't grasped the point of masks. They offer some protection against infection, but it isn't pivotal, partly because they are often misused; where they are vital, is the way they prevent SPREADING: by carriers not coughing and sneezing over everyone.

    This is such a simple point, and yet so crucial.
    Are you wearing a mask day to day? Send us a photo.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Jonathan said:

    eadric said:

    Jonathan said:

    eadric said:

    Andy_JS said:

    https://twitter.com/labisbeticah/status/1236954229186723840

    Tell that to the fecking Don't Panickers. They will end up killing us all.
    eadric said:

    Andy_JS said:

    https://twitter.com/labisbeticah/status/1236954229186723840

    Tell that to the fecking Don't Panickers. They will end up killing us all.
    Don’t panic is good advice. Just take it seriously.
    No, mild panic is advisable, and has been advisable for weeks. The Chinese panicked, so did the Taiwanese, as did the Japanese, and it has worked.

    Western nonchalance is going to be our downfall, if we are not very very careful.

    "Meh, it's just the flu"

    Idiots.
    Losing control and acting irrationally helps no one. We need the Apollo 13 mindset and calmly work out the problem. Details matter and they’re the first to go when you panic.
    That is right but "Don't panic" never means "Don't panic", it's an oblique insult meaning "You are (unnecessarily) panicking in expressing the view that x is serious when in my superior judgment it is not serious", usually backed up with some hebephrenic fuckwittery about the relative prevalence of flu and the risk of being run over.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,358
    HYUFD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Boris is a disgrace, we’re fucked.

    He needs to resign.

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1237503366005170176?s=21

    Just because he won a bigger majority than Dave managed no need to throw your toys out the pram!
    Only an absolute moron could give that absolute thick bell end a job
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,482
    Endillion said:

    TOPPING said:

    eadric said:

    Jonathan said:

    eadric said:

    Jonathan said:

    eadric said:

    Andy_JS said:

    https://twitter.com/labisbeticah/status/1236954229186723840

    Tell that to the fecking Don't Panickers. They will end up killing us all.
    eadric said:

    Andy_JS said:

    https://twitter.com/labisbeticah/status/1236954229186723840

    Tell that to the fecking Don't Panickers. They will end up killing us all.
    Don’t panic is good advice. Just take it seriously.
    No, mild panic is advisable, and has been advisable for weeks. The Chinese panicked, so did the Taiwanese, as did the Japanese, and it has worked.

    Western nonchalance is going to be our downfall, if we are not very very careful.

    "Meh, it's just the flu"

    Idiots.
    Losing control and acting irrationally helps no one. We need the Apollo 13 mindset and calmly work out the problem. Details matter and they’re the first to go when you panic.
    I guess it depends how you define panic.

    We certainly need a higher level of alarm, concern and fearful awareness amongst the general population, so they will adopt social distancing, wash their hands, wear masks, etc. Everything tells us that this works. We can beat this.

    It is time to give the people a rather nasty wake up call.
    *Waving*

    You didn't answer my question.

    Why was Angela Merkel's immigration policy so bad?
    Ooh, ooh, I know this one!

    Because it was in direct contravention of established EU protocols. Specifically, the so-called Dublin rules. She made the decision, apparently, on the spur of the moment, without consultation, because of some pictures she saw on the news.

    What do I win?
    Daft bag.
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